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[–]poi501 128 points129 points  (5 children)

Welcome to the real world, TruthAndVirtue.

From now on, it's your duty to be self aware and to improve every day. Top priority isn't for women, for wealth, or for power, but so you can achieve your goals.

You've opened your eyes, and now it's time to act on your newfound vision. Begin with the sidebar; lift, read, challenge yourself.

Embrace your masculinity. The luxuries (e.g.women) will follow.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (2 children)

You will lose money when you chase women, but you will never lose women when you chase money.

[–]SupALupRT 21 points22 points  (0 children)

to paraphrase fiddy: Niggas chasing bitches are hustling backwards. Chase the paper, the bitches come with it."

[–]through_a_ways -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Just posting to say this is gold-worthy (even though reddit gold sucks, doesn't do give the recipient any advantages, and just gives reddit money)

[–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Thank you man! The world honestly feels new again.

[–]HalfAsianBob 69 points70 points  (3 children)

Remember men,

Unless you are a hawt guy in the top 10-20% or looks, you are 100% worthless to women during the prime of their life, and it's your job to support them and to support civilization while they fuck hot guys and humiliate you, then after that, it's your job to take them back, give them your hard earned cash, and forgive them for avoiding you for 35 years!

[–]ThanksRoissy 6 points7 points  (2 children)

It's so f***ing sad that our society is returning to harems. We're returning to animals and throwing away civilization.

[–]Endorsed Contributordeepthrill 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Depends. If you're the one at the center of a harem, it's not so bad :)

Remember, TRP is about thriving in society given its state.

[–]Dexadrine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but those societies will usually not accept women who've slept around for years and years.

In the US, if men reject just the women who tested positive for HPV, or for a previous infection, that would be a good start. That right there weeds out the stupid and careless ones.

[–]BasementMisogynist 29 points30 points  (15 children)

We saved him!


Don't bother reading this unless you have a lot of free time. I just swapped her name for what she is. Humor and perspective.

Hello all, first time poster. I have been reading this sub A LOT lately, and I've finally worked up the courage to post this. Everything I've read here these past couple of weeks matches up perfectly with what I've experienced in my own life, it's practically uncanny.

Since I started lurking I've been re-evaluating a lot of the experiences I've had with women in my life, and its given me a completely new perspective on all of it. Some of the reactions women have had towards me have always baffled me, but re-examaining these actions through the lens of TRP has thoroughly and completely explained everything. It's depressing, exciting, and scary all at the same time.

While I have several TRP experiences I could share with you right now, the one I would like to share with you is the one that finally served as my wake up call. I'll save some more of my stories for later.

Back in the midst of college, I had a group of friends I regularly visited at another university (we knew each other from high school and were still close). During my sophomore year, my friends started hanging out with a girl one of my friends was going out with. Let's call her JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN.

JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN was a good looking girl. Better looking than all of us were. We were a bunch of high school nerds who just wanted to hang out, drink, and talk about video games, but JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN knew how to party, and we loved having her around for it. JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN knew she was pretty good looking. JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN eventually moved into a house with a few of my friends attending the college, and we all became friends.

JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN acted as you would have expected a single, good-looking girl in college would. She rode the carousel on a weekly basis. Whenever I came over to visit, she would have a new boy to introduce to us. I got used to visiting and looking forward to meeting whatever new guy she was dating, as short-lived as the friendship was. Some of the guys were cool, some of them not. One of her roommates got to calling them her "boys in jars", since she seemed to be able to pull them out of nowhere at a moment's noticed.

JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN was not a bad girl. She wasn't mean or cruel. In fact, she was fun to be around most of the time and great to party with. But JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN was irresponsible. She owed all of her roommates rent money, and still does. My one friend still needs $700 from her (remember, this all happened years ago). My other friend loaned her $1000 toward rent. Neither of them are going to see any of that money back. She was taking a Christmas list of medication prescribed by her therpaist and still doing other drugs on the side. She was hopsitalized once for her mental health.

The years went by with all of us getting closer and closer to JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN until she was simply another one of our friends. Lots of my friends tried to hit on JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN, but they were all rejected pretty badly. One of my friends living with her for a summer started to really like her, but then she found out and the reaction was pretty cruel. She joked about him behind his back constantly afterward. He became the punching bag for a lot of the girls I know.

Anyways, the upside to being a smart fellow in college is that there was always opportunity to pursue. In the fall of my senior year, I was offered a position at a major international bank (you've heard of it) in NYC. My friends heard about it soon after.

Now, at my school it was common for the engineers to compare salary offers they had received as a form of friendly competition and as a way of scouting employers. It was a way of watching out for each other and also an accepted form of bragging. I, signing with the bank, had done better than most. I had also made the crucial mistake of assuming that this habit was acceptable everywhere. My female friends asked me how much I made, and I made the dumbest mistake of my life by telling them.

Well, you can imagine their attitudes changed quite a bit after that. JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN had never been attracted to me the entire time I knew her. It was obvious to me and I accepted it. I had nothing to offer her except my friendship. But now, she's complimenting me, telling me how much I had "come out of my shell" (around this time I also started doing cardio on a regular basis and was losing a lot of weight). She was not the only one either. Suddenly all of the women I knew were paying more attention to me. Another girl called me up extremely drunk one night, and despite being engaged at the time to one of my closest friends, told me how much she hoped I would "be around in her life", whatever in God's name that meant.

Now, at the time I was 23 and quite desperate for female attention, so I took this all as a grand sign that women were finally paying attention to me. It felt good. But then one day JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN, while drunk, told me this: "We're going to get married when we're 35."

I was pretty proud of this at first, considering it a huge compliment to be husband-worthy of JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN. I also took it as a joke, knowing 35 was over a decade away in life and that I may not even know JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN at that age. But then she kept saying it. Over and over. And pretty soon I realized she was serious. She wanted to marry me, but only by the time we were 35.

Over time I started to realize that I really meant nothing to her, that she was going to keep riding the carousel until she was 35, and then expected me to be her safety net. She knew that my 20s would be spent building my career and fortune, and that by 35 I would not only be rich, but primed for marriage and ready to carry her finanically and emotionally.

Well, you can imagine I got pretty bitter at this realization. I carried this anger around for a few months, fuming over the unfairness of it all. In the meantime, JUST AN AVERAGE WOMAN had broken up with her previous boyfriend and proceeded to go out with a different one from OkCupid, a trust fund baby living in Manhattan off of his parents rent. In their third week, they were already visiting Cape Cod in his parent's vacation home.

Now, I had heard of TRP before, and dismissed it as always as another anti-feminist movement. But, a few weeks ago I finally decided to take the plunge and explore TRP. You could have heard my jaw hit the floor. I was reading a subreddit about my own life. All of it so neatly explained, so easily predicted. So many experiences aligning perfectly with what other men had experienced and reported. I finally made the horrifying discovery that I was well on the path of Beta Bux. If I hadn't stopped to think that things were unfair, I would have fallen well into the marriage trap, very likely becoming victim to divorce rape, etc.

Suddenly I've become so accutely aware of everything that's been going on around me - the obvious hints I've missed, ignored, or outright denied. The shit tests I've failed to recognize. The obvious patterns in my own life that only confirmed everything TRP had said would come true.

Frankly, I think I owe you guys a thank you for saving my life. I've been dealing with a lot of anger and depression lately trying to process TRP, but even my worst days now feel better than my best days before TRP. I've started to work harder at being the man girls actually want to be around. I'm trying to put TRP advice to practice, however hard it is after years of Blue Pill indoctrination.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. I think I just wanted to say that what you are doing is saving men's lives from the doom of their own self-delusion. You definitely saved mine. Consider me converted.

[–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I both read it all the way through, and chuckled. Thanks man.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (12 children)

One of my friends living with her for a summer started to really like her, but then she found out and the reaction was pretty cruel. She joked about him behind his back constantly afterward. He became the punching bag for a lot of the girls I know.

Care to elaborate on this, anyone? I've had this happen to me once in April. I confessed I liked a girl and she was absolutely cruel to me. I laughed at her and next because the day a woman gets away with talking down to me is the day I'll cut my balls off.

[–]BasementMisogynist 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Well you should be replying to the OP, I'm just doing a humorous conversion.

As for your answer, it's because a guy liking a girl opens up the idea that they could be a match. Naturally if the girl is such a higher smv she needs to fight back and not only rebuff the advances but put out that his low status is so far below hers that the idea of them being a couple is laughable.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)


This girl was the black sheep of the family, was a six at best, and had noticeably low self esteem (for some reason I find that submissive behavior which turns me on).

I on the other hand am doing a lot better than she is. Maybe I had perceived lower smv than I actually do.

But after she got done talking that shit I proceeded to go to another girls crib and fuck her brains out (and is much better looking btw). So her thinking us as a couple is laughable is laughable in itself.

[–]BasementMisogynist 2 points3 points  (1 child)

She's probably in denial, or maybe you're a square and she's hip. But I'm still pretty sure it's a reaction to smv differential. Oh, but immature people also respond that way. So she could just have an immature flirting mindset.

Either she's childish or haughty, not worth much.

[–]RedPillScare 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If you are much higher SMV, she may reject you because she sees you as unattainable and therefore she would be too vulnerable by actually hoping for your affections.

By rejecting you harshly, she avoids vulnerability while also boosting her ego.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Always gotta get something

[–]humankin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't understand what you want. Do you want an explanation for why women do that? Why people (optionally, men or women) put up with it or consider it normal? Why the dude let her get away with it? I'm drunk so I'll answer all of them

Why do women mock loser men?

I don't really understand why people mock those they can get away with mocking. I understand that it makes them feel good. My best guess is petty political thought. I do know that it is effective under some circumstances but I don't expect most people to do things just because they're effective. With memes against bullying and that I don't have an urge to do it I assume it's not innate to the mind but easily derives from the mental axioms.

Why do people put up with mocking?

Someone had to put forth the mocking narrative. Shutting it down breaks up the narrative and so pisses people off. Such people are weak but still you need to a) care enough and b) know how to move the social dynamic to where you want it after you cause a negative break.

Why did dude let her get away with it?

He probably didn't know. It sounds like OP's friends were social retards except hotgirl and her friends so they're basically sources of income and marriage validation for the carouseling hotgirl squad. Easy to control but useful.

He might have suspected but people lie to themselves merely to protect their feelings so his actions under this supposition are typical.

I doubt he outright knew. He'd feel hurt and eventually blow up in a way that hotgirl would spin into her being the victim. It wouldn't even be hard for her to do so.

[–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No one has outright told my friend, but I think he is partially aware and perhaps chooses to ignore.

that hotgirl would spin into her being the victim. It wouldn't even be hard for her to do so.

Right on the money, this has already happened.

[–]DexterousRichard 0 points1 point  (1 child)

From the female perspective:

Assume a man is beta, and we know nothing else about him that would make any Gina tingles.

Then we hear he "likes us"...

Doesn't that just seem pathetic? It is a huge DLV (demonstration of lower value)... Our mind is occupied all day with dreams of dreamboats who barely acknowledge our existence because they are so awesome... To find out that some unexceptional guy "likes us" when we had no thought for him seems pathetic and puppy-like.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except I do very well with attractive women and this one who is pretty low on the attraction scale. so I just found the situation insane. I'm white, muscular, no acne, in the Marine Corps, and like I said, do very well with women. Maybe she is delusional

[–]sweely 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every time I've flat out told a girl I like her it's ended badly. Show you like her - don't tell her :)

[–]CMOS222 21 points22 points  (3 children)

My female friends asked me how much I made, and I made the dumbest mistake of my life by telling them.

No, dude. Just the opposite. You got an understanding of how they value you as a human being - or how little they value you - and as a result you probably avoided a divorce rape trap, as you said.

Probably the best thing you could have done.

[–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Yea, I think maybe the most painful lessons are the most valuable ones. I would have never seen this coming if I hadn't made the mistake in the first place.

[–]RPL23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea, I think maybe the most painful lessons are the most valuable ones. I would have never seen this coming if I hadn't made the mistake in the first place.

be careful with that: i dont want you to think that you have to experience pain just to learn a valuable lesson. in my 28yrs, i've come to learn that 90% of the time, learn from other people's mistakes. 10% of the time, (smartly) make your own.

Yes, listen to the guys who show you their burnt & blistered skin when they warn of how hot the fire gets....but also personally get close enough to feel the heat so you know for yourself.

[–]The Red Pill RoomIanIronwood 38 points39 points  (3 children)

Thrilled you came to this realization when you did. Personally, I think you ought to boink her just to prove you can, after what she said. And it would ridiculously easy. All you have to do is challenge her hamster, establish that your SMV is higher, and then Alpha out until she's begging.

"We're going to get married when we're 35!"

"What gave you a crazy idea like that?" (disbelief, maybe a little offense. Sell it. Hamster engages because suddenly there's something wrong with her - she's assuming that OF COURSE you want to marry her, after she's had her fun - why wouldn't you?)

This is where she stammers out that she just always figured you two would end up together, she's got a feeling, and she's just biding her time and waiting to see what happens. She's always admired you from afar, and other pre-Betatization. She knows you're suddenly a hot commodity, and she wants to pre-stake her claim by giving you the idea that you two were "meant to be" now. She thinks she can still convince you that she's secretly "the One", but the relationship (her pussy and your bank account) just hasn't "matured" enough yet. She wants to finish out her time on the carousel.

This is where you turn up the juice. Mention your job. Your future. Be optimistic, even make some shit up, if you have to (mention a possible Paris posting - instant wet panties). Point out that you've been receiving quite a lot of female attention. Don't tell her 'no' outright, just leverage your potential SMV and point out that it's appreciating now. There are hot babes who are throwing themselves at you now. Oh, shit. You know your own worth. The only thing she can do now is convince you of the special nature of her vagina, especially within the context of a long and beneficial acquaintance. Friends make better couples later in life, and so on. Her vagina is so very special. She might even get a little scornful here, taking apparent offense that you would even question the wisdom of such a union. If she thinks she might be losing it, she might even try a little shame to get you back on track. In a loving, thoughtful manner.

STILL, you do not reveal your outright refusal. Allow the hamster to spin. Allow her sudden excitement and dread at losing her sure-thing beta bux to slip away infect her conversation. See where she goes with it. And pay close attention.Watch as she increases her flirtiness, her sultry voice, her kino, her hair tossing - it's gonna be raining IOIs and soothing voice for awhile.

Instead, connect with her emotions. Ask her - theoretically - how she envisions your life together, once you are married a decade for now. No woman can resist this. It's an open invitation to belch forth her vision of the Malibu Barbie Dream House in Connecticut. Listen to how meticulously she has plotted things. Ask her to elaborate on points you need clarification about - she won't mind. She's selling her Beta Bux vision of you together. It's foreplay. Indulge her.

When she's done, while still aping Beta Bux Mode: "You don't really think anything like that could rally happen, do you?" She goes on to describe how perfect it will be - you the perfect dutiful husband, she the perfect hot wife, perfect kids, a wonderful relationship, everything she's ever dreamed of. She'll try to sell you on it - theoretically - and she'll do it enthusiastically because she feels she still has sexual power over you.

That's when you ask this question: "So what would our sex life be like as husband and wife? Theoretically?" In terms of direct Game, you've steered the conversation into talking about sex - never a bad thing. In terms of Advanced Game, you've begun to evaluate just what her potential is for a LTR, as a practice run. The question will take her aback - women don't like thinking about hot sex with their future beta husbands; they want to keep it something they'll have to do someday, when they finally settle. Bringing up sex in a future marriage directly is dirty pool. Beta dudes are supposed to shut up and smile like idiots at the mere prospect of her magical pussy.

But that's really all she has going for her, and she knows it. She just hopes you don't know it. But you do. So let her explain to you just how magical and wonderful your future sex lie will be. When you get pouty, she'll try to salvage it, possibly with vague hints of future pleasures too wild to imagine. She might even get specific, but she'll try to avoid that. Beta sex is pristine, marital, wholesome. Blowjobs and anal aren't. She'll lie about it and assure you that it will be the best sex you've ever had with anyone, ever.

This is where you start challenging her, on the sex end of things. You control the commitment she wants so badly (and feels entitled to), but the moment you show your own agency in the equation, her dreams are threatened. She has to give a little on the part she controls, the sex. When you ask for specifics - just what kind of girl is she in bed - she'll get demure and try to avoid any specifics. Find out just how much of a dirty girl she's willing to verbally volunteer for you, before you start pushing back. Listen with amusement. If she doesn't sell this part, she'll look like a fool and she knows it. She's expecting you to Beta-out and back down, accept the promise of future wild sex with her as good as a contract, and let her get back to her guitar-playing boyfriends. So she'll get a little daring and outrageous verbally, hoping it will back you down. Pre-RP it might have. Now you've got to go and be an asshole about it.

"Look, that's nice, but I can't help but think that if you really liked me that way, you would have done something about it before now."

Hamster spin. She counters with something about timing, or karma, or fate, or something. Extra points if she uses a romcom movie analogy to convince you that you're better off letting her have her fun before you throw her the best party of her life and then she really will have to fuck you. This is LMR in advance. That 35 year mark is important, if she actually said that out loud.

But you're post RP. You counter with "If a girl likes you, she won't confuse you. If you really liked me, you would have been fucking me rotten all these years."

Timing, not ready, still young, long smoldering affair, at different places now but by then, not ready to settle down yet, didn't want to get in the way of your career, hamster spin. She really DOES like you, a lot. But she doesn't want to mess that up with sex right now.

"You want to know what I think? I think if you actually did think I was that goddamn special, damn right you would have jumped on me. But you didn't. Plenty of other guys, but not me. How can you think I'd be thinking marriage with you someday when you won't even consider sex with me now? I know that (insert random girl's name here, real or made up) has been awfully affectionate lately too, and she's interested in getting married someday. She's very pretty. And she is attracted enough to me to want to have sex with me and be my girlfriend now. All sorts of freaky, crazy sex." Preselection with a specific competitor. If you can hint that she's pretty, kinky, and sexually spontaneous, this will put her on High Alert.

She realizes, to her horror, that she might just have to fuck you. Soon.

Having a bf is no problem - women love opportunistically, and this one sounds highly opportunistic. If she thinks she can help nail down her exit strategy by "cheating" on whichever bonehead bf she has at the moment, she won't hesitate. Likely she'll play it one of two ways:

A) she feigns offense, tries to shame you for your crude assumptions, and tries to walk out in an angry huff You can turn this directly into a bang if you grab her kiss her, and Alpha out on her, and she accepts it. Or she'll try to guilt you into apologizing for your "crudities" and make you squirm. Shit tests and nastiness galore.

B) She realizes that her best bet is to nail you down now, and she jumps your bones.

Now, should you actually get to this point - and who wouldn't want to, just on merit? - you run out the affair for six weeks to six months. When you're with her, fuck her so hard her ancestors need a cigarette after. Be a total Alpha prick. She'll eat it up. She'll start to doubt you as BB and see you as AF.

But the very next time after you fuck her that she brings up marriage, you start asking her what she brings to the table. Start listing your lofty requirements for that rare and special woman who will be your bride. Keep the bar impossibly high. Stress devotion, loyalty, domesticity, receptivity, support, constant sex, and, of course, a prenup. And when you tire of her and want to break up, add the final straw: casually mention that you want someone with a partner count under five. Or ten. Or whatever you're comfortable with, but let's say it's 5 for the sake of argument.

Watch her go batshit crazy. If she's revealed her N to you (doubtful, and if she did, she was lying), she knows she's screwed. Perhaps she's hoping you'll forget. Or she'll attack you for being judgmental and sexist. She'll tell you that that's none of your business, on behalf of every woman.

That's when you point out if a woman is trustworthy enough to decide whether or not to pull the plug on your life-support someday, she should be trustworthy enough to be forthcoming with her partner count. Then you look at her and say "Why? What do you have to be worried about? Your number isn't that high . . . is it?"

Expect a major tantrum and shit-storm. She'll call you every name in the book. Maintain frame, look amused, and if she crosses the line throw her ass out.

Suddenly you'll be that dickhead Alpha she fucked and remembers fondly, and not the BB slave she intended you to be. And that, my friend, makes all the difference.

Good luck!


[–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Hot damn, what a post! A few notes:

She goes on to describe how perfect it will be - you the perfect dutiful husband, she the perfect hot wife, perfect kids, a wonderful relationship, everything she's ever dreamed of.

She did this already without me needing to ask. And her fantasy is exactly as you describe.

If she's revealed her N to you (doubtful, and if she did, she was lying), she knows she's screwed.

She did years ago, but in my Blue Pill line of thinking I promptly forgot it.

[–]RedPillScare 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a regular reader of Ian's blog. Fantastic articles, and I enjoy reading them all. You should go check it out.

[–]DanG3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Malibu Barbie Dream House in Connecticut"

"So what would our sex life be like as husband and wife? Theoretically?"

This is where you start challenging her, on the sex end of things. You control the commitment she wants so badly (and feels entitled to), but the moment you show your own agency in the equation, her dreams are threatened.

"Look, that's nice, but I can't help but think that if you really liked me that way, you would have done something about it before now."

"She realizes, to her horror, that she might just have to fuck you. Soon."

^ THIS is why I have learned to love the crappy user interface of this unadulterated Primary Red Pill Source!!!

Bravo, Ian! Bravo!

[–]changshuaidiao 17 points18 points  (5 children)

Like Bill Burr said, all the hot women aren't running the race with you, they're waiting for you at the finish line. Let her sit there in there in her folding chair. If she's still hot you can treat her like the groupie that she is.

[–]1redpillbanana 1 point2 points  (2 children)

If you have a link to where he said that, I'd appreciate it. That's a great line.

[–]changshuaidiao 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I kind of paraphrased and added my own flair but here's a link to the bit.

[–]1redpillbanana 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like your version better, but Bill Burr is brilliant as usual.

[–]RPL23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's an absolutely great quote and really puts things in perspective. thanks for sharing!

[–]clear_lights 58 points59 points  (24 children)

No offense OP but:

But Nancy was irresponsible. She owed all of her roommates rent money, and still does. My one friend still needs $700 from her (remember, this all happened years ago). My other friend loaned her $1000 toward rent. Neither of them are going to see any of that money back. She was taking a Christmas list of medication prescribed by her therpaist and still doing other drugs on the side. She was hopsitalized once for her mental health.

Even without swallowing TRP, how was this not a red flag for you? Sure she's good looking, not mean or cruel, but those kinds of problems are not something so easily overlooked. Common sense tells me it would do me well if I would absolutely have nothing to do with her.

[–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 39 points40 points  (16 children)

This is a decent point, so I'll add to it. At that point in my life I was a super "no judgement" type of guy, I just wanted to accept everyone for what they were, regardless of flaws. I had a few friends who were also like Nancy, so I presumed that there were many people going through the same thing. That it was just college.

Of course, I wasn't dumb enough to ever want to live with her. No fucking way I would have let her grab $1000 of off me. Even back then I wouldn't have rationalized that shit. In that regard, I don't understand how her room mates put up with her for so long. I think they really let her get away with some dumb stuff.

[–]MomoUnchained 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Captain Save a Ho Syndrome

I'm glad the red pill was able to cure you before the illness became terminal

[–]The69th[🍰] 3 points4 points  (12 children)

If you don't mind us asking, what happened between you and her after your realisation?

[–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 9 points10 points  (11 children)

I've kept my thoughts to myself for now. Don't really want to have to deal with bullshit. Haven't really seen her much, but she's been around.

[–]Dreamcrusher69 32 points33 points  (8 children)

Next time she says "we're gonna get married when you're 35" just laugh it off and say "No we're not" how fast that sinks in with her.

[–]trudenter 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I'm not marrying somebody who is 35...

[–]CouldntFindGudName 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Please do this OP. Get ready for resistance tho.

[–]DexterousRichard 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Response: maybe so, but I'll be marrying somebody who's 22...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a beautiful response. say it with a scoff and smile then just walk away.

[–]humankin 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It'd be more in his interest to say something that causes her to fuck him now. The justification is that she intends to use him as a wallet later.

[–]Dreamcrusher69 18 points19 points  (1 child)

While I agree with you opportunistically any sort of engaging a slight interest in wanting to sleep with her gives the power immediately back to her. By him just saying "No we're not" he establishes that he is the one who has the final say, gives himself all the power, and sends her questioning her own worth. I know women like this and it will absolutely break down all of her walls faster than anything. He doesn't have to be mean, but those simple words will immediately tell her that he now considers himself above her sexual offerings and she will only wonder why and want to offer them that much more.

[–]humankin -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

man I hope you're right since then I'll be fucking above my pay grade (metaphorically. she's 100% into alpha fucks 0% bb)

Anyway, I think we can agree that he should serve his interests. You've got a concrete plan of how he should do that so I defer to you. Not that it matters since I have no authority and only the power of my words here. Also I barely care but shitposting is a side benefit to getting drunk.

[–]frequentlywrong 1 point2 points  (1 child)

"we're gonna get married when you're 35"

"Why would I want to marry a 35 year old? I don't drink spoiled milk."

[–]Mouthpiece 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"When I'm 35 I'll still be dating 25-year olds."

She'll probably jump on his cock right there.

[–]Stopher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great point. There are alot of very friendly women out there with 5 or 6 figures of debt. Buyer beware.

[–]Fir3start3r 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never lend $$ to friends/family unless you can afford to loose it. And never have any expectations regarding repayment; if they do - gravy!

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    [–]clear_lights 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, I was just quoting OP:

    Nancy was not a bad girl. She wasn't mean or cruel. In fact, she was fun to be around most of the time and great to party with.

    She definitely tricked OP with her exterior qualities.

    [–]stevredpill 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    She's hot, my pre-red days I would probably pedestal her.

    Also, she's hot.

    [–]rpmale 12 points13 points  (2 children)

    I don't know one girl who has a stable financial situation. So In my naive days, I'd gladly ignore it seeing as it's so common.

    [–]humankin 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Ooh I do! She's 50-something and learned the building of capital from her mother. Also super old-school feminist but I don't hold that against her since she's not a misandrist, just misguided about how the sexes fare.

    As for young women, only if I consider those still on their parents' dime. It's stable even if it isn't really in the spirit.

    [–]Wheyman92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I suppose it was swallowing the Red Pill that allowed me to reach this thought process, but I never want to hear somebody speak of $1000 dollars as a large (in any shape or form) size of currency.

    That being said, this still should have raised some flags lol.

    [–]spaZz488 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    These two statements:

    Nancy was not a bad girl. She wasn't mean or cruel.


    she found out and the reaction was pretty cruel. She joked about him behind his back constantly afterward. He became the punching bag for a lot of the girls I know.

    Her actions are cruel, but she isn't cruel. Hmm.. those are two extremely conflicting statements.

    [–]1redpillbanana 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    She's nice as long as you stay in your proper role. If you dare cross the line and start hitting on her, then it's shaming time.

    [–]Hughtub 126 points127 points  (20 children)

    Well, if you want to fuck her at least once, tell her "if we're gonna get married when we're 35, I need to get an idea of what you're offering in bed now, vs. when you're 35"... fuck her without any thought of keeping her plan.

    [–]1niczar 127 points128 points  (15 children)

    That's not going to work. What is guaranteed to work is to just tell her you don't want her with a disgusted look.

    [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 67 points68 points  (14 children)

    I feel like niczar is right on this one, though I appreciate the advice. Nancy has always come off as the type of girl who knows how to game the system, even if she's not acutely aware of it. I think any sign that I've become aware of her TRPing is going to guarantee she never texts me again. But if I told her I never wanted her, even if she threw herself at me this very second, I have a feeling that would drive her insane.

    Either way, I think I'm going to avoid it altogether, because in the months since the "marriage" encounter, I feel like I just want to be by myself for a while. I've wanted to work on my career, my work outs, and my side projects. So maybe once I've made myself better, then I'll give it a try.

    [–]Azothlike 39 points40 points  (1 child)

    Amazing post all around. Focusing on yourself is always a healthy mindset.

    A lot of people in your shoes would be hung up on her, as a "white whale" of sorts. Sometimes overcoming that in of itself(by getting over her, or fucking her and moving on) can be a propelling confidence boost, though. If I was in your shoes and DID want to use her estimation of my future value to get laid, I'd definitely play it off as a disqualification.

    Next time she says you're getting married at 35, I'd laugh and say "you wish." If she questions it, I'd say "I don't know where you're gonna be in 10 years, but I think we both know I'll be living the dream already" / "I heard competition for rich, handsome bachelors in their thirties is pretty stiff", etc.

    But that's just my 2 cents. I keep a lot of doors open, and probably spend a larger part of my life on girls than I should.

    [–]Imapancakenom 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    I think this is terrific advice, it sounds like amused mastery to me. Nancy said "we're going to get married" as though making that decision is all up to her, or in other words as though she has all the power and authority. The best thing to do is laugh and say something like Azoth recommends, something that demonstrates you, not her, are the one who decides what happens.

    [–]lloopy 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    It's a sport fuck. You do it for you. It sounds like you have a lot of the rest of your life all in order, but to get over your natural desire to put a girl on a pedestal, fuck her.

    [–]cascadecombo 14 points15 points  (6 children)

    I would just use it the next time she's drunk and says that thing to you. Casually tho, just be like ' nah, I don't think I want to marry you.' And move on to your other friends to talk soon after.

    [–]TheVTM 18 points19 points  (5 children)

    "No, thanks!" like you are refusing a pamphlet.

    [–]Darkone06 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Better yet,

    No THX, I'm good being single. Its more fun this way. Wink wink.

    She will know your not waiting around either, and know you're on your game.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Or OP can sleep with her, then ignore her for a while and when she says that shit again tell her the "Bo thanks, sex wasn't that great.". Could be interesting, my guess is she would go crazy and try to then fuck OP's brains out to prove him wrong.

    But then again I could be wrong as well.

    [–]Chode_Launcher -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Then she would probably claim rape. Absolutely buy and set up security cams beforehand.

    [–]Nieben 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Find yourself a sexy woman and maybe set up a double date. This second woman could be a gold digger for all you care, and you can make it clear to her that you're just using this opportunity to watch Nancy burn, if she's game. She might find it hot.

    Nancy set up this little game to play out in her favor. Little did she know that you'd catch on. Technically speaking - this is a bridge that she set on fire, it's just been slow burning, meant to go out after some time in the middle of the marriage.

    The beauty of it all is that it won't matter to her much - she can hop on that female validation train the comes with being a beautiful woman. She'll move on in less than a heartbeat. Enjoy the fallout because the relationship you have with her is pointless, given her agenda.

    [–]Mouthpiece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Welcome, brother, and congrats on dodging that bullet.

    [–]Fir3start3r 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    She sounds a train wreck waiting to happen for sure. The emotion and drama she looks like she'd conjure just isn't worth it when there are other women out there that actually have their shit together (if and when you're looking for that). Off-hand comments like her about being married to you at 35 are just f%cking bizarre in my experience. No thanks and I don't care how good looking you are cause my serenity isn't worth giving up trying to fix someone else's sh!t; been there, done that for 20 years...(Now in Al Anon to sort my shit out too) Thank god for TRP...

    [–]2alisonstone 31 points32 points  (3 children)

    That is a stone better left unturned. She is too ingrained into his social network and she knows too many of his friends. Also, she never really took advantage of him, so he has nothing to prove by fucking her. Better to just freeze out that friendship and slowly fade away. Always be busy with work (he's in banking, it might not even be a fake excuse) and let their friendship melt away.

    [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Also, she never really took advantage of him, so he has nothing to prove by fucking her.

    But she planned to take advantage of him. Pumping and dumping would teach her that he isn't a good prey for her Beta Bux hunt.

    [–]Fir3start3r 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yea but by totally denying her, he would gain a lot more respect from his circle of friends (and himself!) rather than put into question a possibly of it actually happening because, "He f#cked her once"... I agree with /u/alisonstone on this one...just let it go and don't even think about boarding that train, there's LOTS of other opportunity...

    [–]Ob1Kn00b[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    And just cause needless drama for the sake of stale, well-used pussy... And more then a small chance that she'll try and peg him for a pregnancy. Far better just to freeze her out.

    [–]AlfredTheGreatest 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    Awesome story, man. If you find yourself getting low just remember this: The best years of your life are starting now and you have the mental tools to make the best of it. You're on path to an-ultra high SMV career. Get you body in shape and your game solid and you will be swimming in pussy for the rest of your life.

    The bitterness will wane with every Nancy you fuck and will be replaced with a sense of confidence and mastery that will make you feel 10 feet tall. Unlike the failing beauty of youth, your SMV will age like a fine wine.

    You are starting a great ride. Have fun

    [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Holy shit! Thank you! This made me feel great! Like I said in the post, reading TRP has been depressing, exciting, and scary all at the same time. It's depressing because I feel like I've been blind to all the obvious clues I've been missing all my life, and assured in my belief that the "right woman" would always come around. But its also exciting because now I finally have the opportunity to turn it all around.

    [–]DexterousRichard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This is true but let me give you a warning, having been through the initial years of a career in a similarly soul-killing industry.

    You will work fucking insane hours. Don't neglect your health man. Go to the doc for a checkup a couple times a year, and schedule any other surgery or check ups you need as quickly as possible.

    Going to the doctor is probably the one thing you can always get a pass for, even when you're under a lot of pressure. Talk to your boss and say you have a medical issue and just need to get it checked out, so you'll be out of the office a couple hours on day X. No big deal unless, like most others, you neglect it because you're exhausted and under the gun in a million ways.

    Also, relatedly, go to the gym and lift if you can't do anything else. You can find a time, maybe dinner time, when you can fit it in and then get back to the office after. It may seem hard to do, but you really should.

    It is sooooo easy just to blow off these things when you're in a high pressure job. But if you do, before you know it you'll be 30 and it will be catching up with you, or you'll be 25 and have gained 30 pounds, etc.

    [–]Farsay 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Stop posting about her and find a hot normal girl to bang.

    [–]jmeister92 7 points8 points  (3 children)

    The really depressing realization is that "Nancy" is the embodiment of the modern western woman. They expect to be able to ride the carousal from their teens until their biological clock (late twenties usually) starts ticking, and they have the audacity to expect a model husband/partner to be awaiting for them at the end of their slut journey. This delusional and undeserved entitlement only exists because of men with low self-esteem that DO go for the used up trash that any other self-respecting man would disregard.

    [–]jcrpta 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    This delusional and undeserved entitlement only exists because of men with low self-esteem that DO go for the used up trash that any other self-respecting man would disregard.

    I can see my brother heading in exactly that direction. He's 28 and I don't recall ever having seen him with a girlfriend; he's a very big (read: fat) chap and I think that's seriously dented his confidence in terms of approaching women.

    He's also not earned much historically - he's self-employed and it's only in the last year or so that he's been able to get regular work.

    A couple of years from now, the girls he knows will be in their early 30s, they'll be piling on the pounds themselves and with any luck the regular work will have improved to the point where he's actually earning a sensible living. I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if he's married in five years, a dad in six and divorced in seven.

    Now, how the heck to introduce him gently to RP ideas and get him to take responsibility for his shape...

    [–]Booksarefun666 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    But the beautiful thing about that is he didn't screw up completely there. He's self-employed and he's now getting regular work.

    If someone can convince him to go running on a treadmill and lift some weights, then he's already golden. He's not beholden to some 9-5 job (I'm assuming, most self-employed things have flexible times) and he can do things in the free time.

    [–]jcrpta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's not as simple as that.

    There's a dirty little secret that they don't tell you when you go self-employed.

    90% of people who do that are woefully under-employed and could earn a hell of a lot more as an employee. There are exceptions - people who are highly qualified and experienced in a particular field and become consultants, for instance - but they're in the minority.

    He's not beholden to a 9-5 job but he's in the theatre - so instead he's beholden to unsocial hours and having little choice but to take the work lest he drop off the radar of the people who hire him. Small business owners at least might be able to devise a plan to expand the business; self-employed individuals are rather more stuck in that regard.

    [–]1redpillbanana 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Great post. You're in the bitter phase now - it will pass once you start making positive changes to your life and realize that Nancy is just a woman being a woman.

    For some reason, women think that "someday, when you're older, the women who rejected you in college are going to see you for the great guy you are and marry you" is actually a compliment and not an insult. This is why Nancy kept repeating it over and over to you, because she thought she was praising you.

    Nancy is probably going to sound like this at 35:

    It’s this logic that has most of my 30-something guy friends dating girls fresh out of college. Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive, less striving, less volatile, less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful, less womanly. They are less, and, to a guy not ready for anything -- like most of the guys I have dated in New York -- less is more.

    A 30-year-old woman is an undertaking, and it’s the real reason why Alex has been putting me on the backburner for the last two months, telling me I’m amazing and that he’s interested and then disappearing to hang out with a 23-year-old instead. Age ain’t nothing but a number, until it’s a number someone else doesn’t want to deal with.

    [–]ScienceMuddafucka 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    As a female engineer independently making a great life for herself and trying to change the perception of women, I hate this girl for you.

    [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Wow, this is such a wonderful response. Thank you for your understanding. I was convinced every woman would hate me if I started posting on TRP, but I'm glad my perceptions about this experience were not just my own.

    I knew a lot of female engineers at college who were very much like you - hard-working, balanced, and ready to make an independent career for herself. Best of luck to you and your career plans.

    [–]DanG3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Unfortunately for most women, it will take a bio-engineer.

    [–]Doctor_Mayhem 21 points22 points  (7 children)

    What is life's greatest illusion? Innocence, my brother.

    Sorry, been playing Skyrim, again.

    Welcome to the Dark Red Brotherhood. We're all villains, here.

    [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    Astrid betrayed the Brotherhood for cash like the whore she was. AWALT

    [–]Doctor_Mayhem 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    Holy shit... you made me realize something... There are a LOT of hidden red pill messages in Skyrim. One of my favorite missions is when you get to gather evidence and slut-shame that chick that runs a hostel in Riften.

    [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    what are some others you can think of?

    How about the one where you take the little girl to a temple of dibella/divine brothel where she learns to be a divine whore/priestess of dibella?

    [–]Doctor_Mayhem 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Can't think of too much in particular, except for maybe in Dawnguard, how the entire plot is kicked off by Lord Harkon's wife betraying him, but since he's the villain, it doesn't count. Also, to be fair, the wife is portrayed as a royal cunt, too.

    More of how the overall game is. Oh sure, even Skyrim had to toe the line of Cultural Marxism and have this bullshit egalitarian fantasy world where STRAWNG, INDEPENDENT WYMYNZ are also warriors, but... then we get to the natural conclusion of that when our player characters slaughter them in droves along with the men. It's not overtly red pill, since our equalist overlords would have Bethesda shut down by the federal government if it was, but you have plenty of subtle red pill in Skyrim. Same with Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas.

    [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I felt like the women character warriors were easier to kill than the men. Also the Brairhearts and Orc Chieftans were all male.

    [–]Doctor_Mayhem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Can't forget about orckish polygamy, either.

    [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    AWALT brother.

    Don't hate them for it. That's just who they are.

    Adapt, survive and thrive.

    [–]sundaybrunch11 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Frankly, I think I owe you guys a thank you for saving my life

    I was reading your story but when I got to this line, the hair at the back of my neck stood up. Your story and mine are quite similar, and I could just feel your gratitude. And I too am grateful for TRP.

    Cheers mate!

    [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Wow, thank you. The story seems to be resonating a lot with people. Glad I could really reach out to you. Cheers to you too man.

    [–]Ted_From_Accounting 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    She only wants you when you are the most valuble and she is worth the least because her value has expired... good deal... NOT

    [–]Thornwalker_ 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    This is the most articulate thing on the red pill ive ever read. Parrallels my experience, but in an alpha framed narritave.

    [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    What a compliment, thank you! I enjoy writing and consider it a passion of mine, glad you found it enjoyable.

    [–]Thornwalker_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'd love to hear your insights on career and women with your new found knowledge

    [–]2asd1100 4 points5 points  (1 child)


    All this, is for you dude!

    TRP is not about bitching about bitches being bitches or shaming highschoolers into pulling the trigger and reaching out to hold the hand of their crush.

    The RP is for you, men that know instinctively that they are made to make something of their life, but have never been told just how predacious women are, when you become a great man and how to protect themselves from them. It is for husbands than just find themselfs married at 35 despite only wanting a bang buddy 12 years earlier.

    Seriously, your post made my day: welcome brother!

    [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Thank you man, I really appreciate the feedback! Glad I could make a positive impact with this.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I'm your alpha fucks or you're fucking off.

    This is now your mantra to live by

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Swallow the red-pill, and keep moving down the rabbit-hole, friend. You're an engineer, and have your whole life ahead of you. You really shouldn't get shackled into beta complacency, or domestic provider. Find new opportunities in forbidden knowledge, and make use of it in your life.

    [–]1rife_omeqa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Great read.

    The most common of FR's on here written uncommonly well. Bravo.

    [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Thank you for the kind words, I'm getting a lot of compliments on my writing today it seems.

    [–]squiremarcus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    and she thinks that if she says it enough its just going to eventually happen?

    [–]Prattler26 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This has worked perfectly for her in the past, why not? Even post-wall she'll probably be able to attract a beta sucker.

    [–]aazav 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Women know they are reaching their expiration date where they can not play the field, so she's setting up her safety net.

    [–]Prattler26 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    We can get married at 35 if I'm fucking you from 25 or earlier!

    [–]unpluggedoasis 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Incredible post. Hit home with me as well, I was well on the way to beta bux until a girl who had friendzoned me after months of ignoring me expected me to fill the emotional gap of her life when her alpha bf went on a 5 week trip without her. Searched for reasons for my anger online, ended up finding TRP, Roissy, and Rollo and haven't looked back.

    It is funny how something so small can change your life forever - and in this case save it.

    Welcome brother even though it can be tough the red pill lifestyle is infinitely better than the blue pill lie.

    [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Searched for reasons for my anger online, ended up finding TRP, Roissy, and Rollo and haven't looked back.

    Yea, it was a very meandering search for meaning that finally led me here, but when I did find it, my mind was blown.

    [–]dawg826 4 points5 points  (9 children)

    Please tell me she's stll going around with the idea of you being her betabux in her head. All the more sweet when she hits the wall and realize you aren't there to deflect her last minute.

    [–]DanG3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I read the first paragraph+ of your post ... All I can say is (as you can guess), don't let her CHUMP you. The sex (and relationship) will SUCK!!! Move on!

    [–]icallmyselfmonster 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    But Nancy was irresponsible. She owed all of her roommates rent money, and still does.

    Her room mates were irresponsible. You don't lend money to somebody you wont see it back from. Your money is your responsibility.

    [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I think the explanation is: she was hot, so she got away with it.

    [–]ilike2partyhowaboutu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yap.. women think they can ride the cock until they can't get any cock they want and attempt to put one cock in the bank.

    [–]ryeprotagonist 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    deserves a sticky. ought to be read by every man under 30 in the Western world.

    welcome, TandV... you'll go far.

    [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Thank you! It was really just a personal story to explain my entry into TRP, but I'm glad you found a lot of meaning in it.

    [–][deleted]  (14 children)


      [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] -4 points-3 points  (13 children)

      I fumed about it for a little while and sort of stewed in my own disappointment at my whole situation in life. A few weeks ago I discovered TRP, and now that it's explained everything to me I finally understood the whole thing from a fresh perspective. I've been lurking here for a few weeks, and now I'm just posting my story through the lens of a new TRPer.

      I haven't seen her since TRP, but she's been texting me. Next time I see her I'm gonna call her out on it. I'll let you know how she reacts.

      [–]rorrr 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Don't call her out. Tell her something like

      "Why would I marry you at 35? You will be old and wrinkly. I would rather marry a hot 20 year old".

      [–]PenisJoekes 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      Don't call her out on it. You can never argue logic into them, let alone TRP stuff. Might back fire on you, just saying.

      [–]dakkr 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      Next time I see her I'm gonna call her out on it.

      If you were a vindictive asshole like me you'd lead her on for 10 years, get her to believe that you'll definitely marry her at 35 to the point where she pins all her hopes and plans on it, then at 35 you go over to her place with a bucket of popcorn, and when she asks why you have popcorn you introduce her to your 21 year old girlfriend and enjoy the ensuing meltdown.

      [–]rpkarma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I like you. We can be friends.

      [–]2Red_August 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      It's time to graduate OP, to step it up big time. Lead your life. You're at a wonderful crossroads full of opportunity. The next women will be fundamentally the same but the operative word here is women. Many women. You have an opportunity to leap ahead so don't waste it. I've actually had a similar conversation with a girl around that same age - and I had no clue at the time - I was also flattered but eventually had that epiphany too. AWALT.

      [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Damn, thanks for the positive feedback! I really appreciate the encouragement. I agree, I was also flattered by the marriage compliment, until you realize its not much of a compliment at all.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad -2 points-1 points  (26 children)

      This story is a little too well written... The flow, cadence, structure is just too damn smooth to be anything but the words of a fictional writer, not some banker.

      [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

      Unless OP has been intentionally maintaining this 'character' for more than a month... seems believable to me.

      That said, the 'waiting until 35' comment just seems so outrageous given knowledge of TRP... it is such a clear sign of wanting to make OP a betabux it is almost unbelievable. Then again, most men are beta enough that a comment like this might fly under the radar to the rest of society.

      [–]Doctor_Mayhem 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      Maybe it's an indication of how modern girls aren't even attempting to hide it anymore?

      [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I think that she thinks I come off as super beta, so that a comment like that wouldn't really register. And like I said, she was drunk when she said it. Maybe it wasn't in her best judgement for me to hear.

      [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 10 points11 points  (17 children)

      Perhaps I should have offered proof?

      Apologies for the vagueness of the details. I was trying to avoid using as little personal information as possible.

      EDIT: Also, I just realized that your statement wasn't so much of an insult as it was a compliment of my writing. Thank you! I was considering going into writing as a career since its a real passion of mine, but went into banking at the suggestion of my father since he told me to go with the job that pays better. Best advice he's ever given me.

      And for clarity, I am an engineer at the bank.

      EDIT 2: Yea, not gonna post that picture. Maybe shouldn't drag the workplace into this after all.

      [–]MrMagwitch 5 points6 points  (0 children)


      [–]nomadicwilk 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      i strongly suggest you remove the picture if that is your real name. feminist witch hunts (for aware men) are real

      [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Uhh, yea, I did actually. I suddenly realized what a stupid move that was. Thanks

      [–]1independentmale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      There's a doubting Thomas in every good TRP thread. Don't sweat it. You don't have to prove shit to some anonymous asshole on the Internet.

      Personally, I don't know why anyone feels the need to post "nuh uh!" Waste of fucking bandwidth.

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        [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Our actual badges don't have the company name on it. Best proof I could offer.

        [–]bazola01 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Everyone — a banker, an engineer, or a janitor — should strive to communicate their thoughts better.

        [–]rpmale 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        yeah bankers should be illiterate

        [–]lubeoil 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        so what happened to nancy? did she get pumped and dumped?

        [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Just texted me yesterday, supposed to hang out tomorrow with her new bf and a few friends. But will probably skip for now - got a lot of work piling up on me I need to get done.

        [–]Locastor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        You're welcome OP. I hope you find someone who truly appreciates all you have to offer.

        I also eagerly await /u/MotherofSeaDragons completely misrepresenting this thread.

        [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The more popular this thread gets, the more I dread the inevitable witch hunt. But the messages I've gotten from the others have really helped. Hopefully I will avoid the firestorm.

        [–]Namelessfear9 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I felt the same mix of realization, bitterness, empowerment, and hope just a few short months ago myself. I am seeing my own Nancy (or Nancies for that matter) in my past like you must be now. Master yourself, master your world, and use this trove of wisdom to your advantage.

        Edit: Me are no good at Englishing tonight.

        [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I think I've turned the word 'Nancy' into a thing now. It actually fits pretty well.

        But yes, as I said in the post, I can't stop looking back and seeing all the obvious signs I missed and the Nancies in my life. But those are stories for another post.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Dude, please accept my Internet high-five, even a Internet hug! Because I'm so overjoyed whenever one of us sees the light. Now you're unstoppable. May this be the soundtrack of your transformation from now on!

        ("Terraforming" from "Man of Steel", one of my favourite gym tracks).

        Edit : you're gonna bang Nancy. Oh yeah, it's going to happen.

        [–]neutralstrike 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Were you hurt by the fact that after telling you she would marry you later on life she met the cape code guy who also has money, thereby offering her the same security at 35 that you would have had? And this felt as a betrayal?

        I'm just trying to help you sort out your pain and anger.

        Walk away she's just using you.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        also the second game where the self-aware Beta Bux declares that the only chance of marrying him is by getti

        the cape cod guy would not stay around and she knows it.

        [–]Yldraeth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Fuck it, have an upvote. Welcome, you will like it here.

        [–]DannoNappo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        No matter who you marry, get a prenup

        [–]bowhunter_fta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        She was hopsitalized once for her mental health.

        I'll give you the same advice I've given to all of my children (including the girls):

        The exact second that you sense even the slightest bit of crazy, RUN AWAY.

        You can NOT fix crazy.

        [–]Riot101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Don't be the man girls want. Be the man you want to be.

        [–]Gator813 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Happens to us all. I will say that now, dating and/or playing the games girls want to play is completely uninteresting. I've admittedly always been a good looking guy and never put girls on pedestals, but I would get into relationships and become the "sweetheart" only to see the relationship fall apart as I got walked on and disrespected. After finding this sub, no more. I still bring girls home from time to time, but it's never on a LTR level, only a "for the night" type thing. Girl friends of mine keep telling me how I, "have been single long enough" but to me, I'm having the most fun I've ever had doing what I want, when I want it, how I want it, and with who I want to. It's refreshing to say the least.

        [–]watersign 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Be glad you realized this now and not when you're 30. I know some dudes who are getting married and they do not see this at all. They are blue pill to the max.

        [–]Dark triad expert: - - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Dick in a glass jar, break in case of emergency. Every bitch wants one for post-wall, preferably, one she can sex minimally for maximum monetary payout.

        [–]geenomike 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This is one of the best OP's I've seen in this sub. Sounds like you really get it and while you mentioned the shock of reality, you don't seem to have become biter about the whole thing. Good job.

        [–]Risky_Clicks_NSFW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        SInce you work in a bank:

        "There is no upside to an further interaction with this girl, she has clearly demonstrated no upside or long term investment value" The risk outweighs any reward you will get from fucking her.

        Would you invest in in a business with no plan and no appreciable revenue for a decade, with significant liabilities and depreciating market value?

        [–]homesquash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Interesting story dude. Cool insight into brotherly rivalry too with the salary banter. I wouldn't get too hung up on it. You're in good shape, you're on the road to being a wealthy man. Enjoy yourself pal - and well done for the realisation.

        [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        "We're going to get married when we're 35."

        Shoulda told her "Do I look like the man who wants a whore who fucks me like a prude?" And then got up and left. No looking back.

        [–]mghow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        As far as I'm concerned, the OP's current mistake is ''I've started to work harder at being the man girls actually want to be around.''

        I thought you had learned from your experiences but that comment is a huge step back, I don't get it. I guess things take time but you will learn. Become the man you are proud of and want to be around as opposed to placing women on a pedestal and thinking they are the ones you should work towards impressing.

        Hasn't it sunk in yet?

        [–]sweeptheleg55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Dude Nancy is a whore. You shouldn't base your view of women entirely on her.

        [–]cipahs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Time to start lifting bro. And Fuck dat beezy

        [–]lurkrastinator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        This story gave me goosebumps. Congratulations to you kind sir.

        [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Wow, thank you! The feedback I've gotten has been very positive so far. Glad it had such an impact on you.

        [–]AntixD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        my happy little pill,my sweet little pill

        [–]CMOS222 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I have a suggestion, just for fun.

        Sit down right now, write a letter to yourself, copy for her, guessing/extrapolating from this experience where you will be at age 35 and where she will be, what she'll be doing, what kind of beta she'll have bagged, at age 35.

        Date and seal the letter, put it in a safe deposit box, with a "do not open until ___". Then forget about it.

        On your 35th birthday, open it up. Throw a birthday party for yourself, invite her.

        Show her the letter.

        [–]TruthAndVirtue[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        Holy crap, this sounds awesome! But I think my goal here is letting it go. If I hold on to the letter I simply hold on to the bitterness.

        [–]EthosPathosHubris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That seems like a good idea OP. Just forget this crazy bitch.

        [–]jrr6415sun -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        sorry but why would she want to marry you over her trust fund baby she found? And if she wants to marry what is so hard about stringing her along until 35 and then just saying no? It seems like this girl is pushing you around you just need to stand up for yourself.

        Also it's not a mistake to tell someone how much you make, just be aware they are after your money and you have the upper hand.