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[–]1whatsazipper 232 points233 points  (23 children)

Invictus

Out of the night that covers me,

Black as the pit from pole to pole,

I thank whatever gods may be

For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance

I have not winced nor cried aloud.

Under the bludgeonings of chance

My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears

Looms but the Horror of the shade,

And yet the menace of the years

Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,

How charged with punishments the scroll,

I am the master of my fate,

I am the captain of my soul.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 47 points48 points  (13 children)

That's an incredibly beautiful poem.

[–]thismaytakeawhile 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The poem was also the last words of Timothy Mcveigh, the confessed bomber of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

[–]DrakeSaint 2 points3 points  (4 children)

This now sits on the right side of my PC at work. Thanks so much for the wonderful poem.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Does it translate well into Spanish Portuguese?

[–]DrakeSaint 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It's Portuguese. Both are very close in pronunciation and grammer grammar.

It's a free translation, not literal, and yes, it produces the same effect.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

My bad. From a glance it appeared to be Spanish. Glad it translated well. The worst thing that can happen to a piece of literature is when a bad translation effectively kills it or worse, said language lacks the lexicon/auditory style to make a faithful recreation.

[–]DrakeSaint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are a few words used in the English poem that are hardly ever used in Portuguese, but they fit so well it brings a noble, yet powerful message. If anything, this translation made it even more impactful.

[–]kinggluejar 82 points83 points  (23 children)

Hot women have it easy. I was at the bus station the other day. A rather attractive woman took a taxi and didn't have money. Of course all these white knights vilified the cab driver when he didn't giver her a pussy pass. Good times.

[–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 30 points31 points  (9 children)

I heard a girl2girl discussion during my traveling. Girl X was telling a story that she fell a sleep on a night bus in London, ended up outside of the city with pretty much no money. She called for a taxi to bring her back to her place. The fee was £150, she started crying because she didn't had the money.

-He was so Nice, because he let me go without paying

[–]Endorsed Contributorfluviant 24 points25 points  (1 child)

The fucking audacity for them to flag down a taxi when they know they don't have the money for it. Christ.

[–]GC0W30 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Guarantee either of us would wake up in jail if we tried that shit...

[–]LegitAnswers 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Holy fk man... £150? Wtf... What a spineless taxi driver.

[–]incraved 4 points5 points  (5 children)

What can he do in that situation btw?

[–]DrDalenQuaice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sure there is a way she can make it up to him

[–]Espada18 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Call the fucking Police; heck the Policeman could pay for her if he felt like it. But she won't be getting a pussy pass.

[–]incraved 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Can't she accuse him of some shit and make the police side with her? Did that happen before?

[–]Silverbacked 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes. There was a specific story I recalled about a taxi driver being accused of rape when he wouldn't void a fare. I googled "taxi driver false rape" and apparently it's a fucking epidemic. 6 different incidents on the first page!

[–]Espada18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes it can happen but then you'll have to be willing to go all the way; even if it means taking the issue to court. It might seem petty to make such a big deal out of £150 but if that's what it takes to put a point across then let it be.

[–]sniperhiding 10 points11 points  (0 children)

And that's how feminism was born. Pissed off ugly women jealous they have it harder than hot women. But too dumb to see they still have it a lot easier than men.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 76 points77 points  (7 children)

Hahahahaha. Brilliant. Hot women just live life on auto-pilot, someone is always queuing up to provide for them. Ugly and average women have feminism, the state and nice guys. Remember that Norah Vincent woman, the butch lesbian who lived as a man for over a year? She wasn't hot, but in spite of that, losing her woman privilege eventually drove her nuts and she needed to be checked into a mental hospital after the experiment was done. Despite being a "masculine woman," she couldn't handle being treated like a man and was happy to continue living as a woman after the ordeal.

[–]backfor 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Hot women don't hear "No" enough.

[–]homesquash 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Recent experiences have showed me the value of No.

[–]serb1991 42 points43 points  (4 children)

While I agree with your main point, I want to state something for the sake of accuracy. Norah Vincent was admitted to the mental hospital on the grounds that she was pretending to be someone she was not, and it eventually got to her, not to mention the constant pressure or trying to not be found out and knowing your relationships are a lie. Not because she couldn't handle being treated like a man. She even said that she was pleasantly surprised that men treat eachother well with dignity and honor, whereas women have no such things.

[–]Abadoobie 27 points28 points  (2 children)

In addition to being isolated from her normal life: her friends, hobbies, family, relationships, sex, regular work life, social circle, etc. She faced a number of difficulties in that 18 months that couldn't be remedied with her normal coping and support systems either. This sub keeps bringing her up and saying, "being a man broke her" but she wasn't a man. She was a women pretending to be a man for a year and a half and living that lie broke her.

Of course the actual reason she sought mental help is ignored here because the other reason is more convenient at pushing the red pill philosophy. Ironically, this fallacy actually undermines the philosophical foundations of the red pill by indulging in distortions and lies.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Of course the actual reason she sought mental help is ignored here because the other reason is more convenient at pushing the red pill philosophy.

I can't speak for others and their agendas, but for me it's mostly ignorance speaking. I hadn't really taken the time to look at her situation in-depth beyond the youtube clips and some posts on her book. Whilst I still think there is some merit to "the point that gets pushed" using her example, everything /u/serb1991 raises is extremely relevant too and of course, vitiates the validity of her experience as evidence that "living like a man" damaged her and it was not simply an effect anyone would experience trying to live outside their gender identity.

But really how do we determine whether it was "being a man" that was the problem or "pretending to be something you're not" ?? The nuance is so small and either premise unprovable that really what caused her mental problems can be whatever it is rationalised to be. Would pretending to be something you're not have the same effects if the thing you're pretending to be in anyway brought benefits to your life? (Eg: fake it till you make it) I have oft thought all these male to female transexuals who wanted to become women did so simply because it would mean an easier life/more comfort and more support without having to endure the struggles of the common man. A simple operation and you get to play life on a lower difficulty setting.

I use her as an example because there is no other comparison, not out of a deliberate intent to misinterpret an experiment and use it as conclusive proof for a pre-held opinion. That is not my intention at all, of course I can't speak for other posters.

[–]AlphamaxCouture 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's much like hot The Daily Mail keeps getting linked on this sub because it back up TRP philosophy, even though it is common knowledge that TDM completely make up most of their stories.

It's things like that which draw away from the excellence of this sub. There's so many amazing ideas and thoughts on this sub that have their credibility tarnished by linking TDM.

[–]ENTP -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's her hamster talking.

[–]NAmember81 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I bet you anything she knew that she didn't have the money and was anticipating a break to be given to her. And if no break was given a herd of white knights would step up to either pay for her and or shame the man not cutting her a break.

[–]LS_D 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Plot twist ... It was a "fake taxi" and she's about to be hit on big time!

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Try being a short man, life on extra hard mode.

[–]DRMMR76 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yep. Every other aspect of you game has to be tip top to have a chance. It's not impossible to be a successful alpha if you're short, but you'd better be extra ripped/fit, have an awesome job, and don't ever give a women even a whiff that you might be down on yourself for being short. That's the real key. Women definitely look down (no pun intended) on short men, but those men had better not respond to it. Hold frame and act like you're 6'4" and don't ever give the impression your height bothers you, even if you have every logical reason in the world for it to.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a Colombian gf so I must be doing something right.

[–]gstvtrp 129 points130 points  (25 children)

Personally, I don't have a problem that it's harder for us. I have a problem with women not being able to recognize or admit that it is.

[–]kinggluejar 61 points62 points  (0 children)

blame feminism. It controls the narrative. It's not politically correct to disagree with a feminist.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 46 points47 points  (2 children)

I have a problem with women not being able to recognize or admit that it is.

That would be pride and an inferiority complex kicking in there. Women who aren't comfortable in their femininity (very many of them, thanks to to the confusion caused by feminism) exude this tendency.

[–]gstvtrp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess you're right. I can count on one hand how many women I know are like that.

[–]Traz_Onmale -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Who would be comfortable with, as you said, being average, mediocre and unremarkable.

[–]VinylGuy420 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It's because society likes to bring women up to make them think they do have it rough. Take the military for example. Army wives are consistently told they have the hardest job in the military. That they are the ones that make it work. They have to stay home with a kid or two, not work, pay a few bills with the wealth of money her husband is earning, go shopping, and try to not Fuck other guys. All of this while worrying about her husband. Yeah, because that's harder then manual labor everyday, the constant worry of being killed, the stress of wondering if your wife is fucking some other dude, little sleep, and dealing with death day in and day out. No wonder there hasn't been a case of an army wife getting PTSD after her husband comes home.

[–]GC0W30 6 points7 points  (0 children)

try to not Fuck other guys.

I think you've been on and around different bases than the ones I've been on or around. I didn't see much trying....

I would just assume I was a cuckold by about 45 days into a deployment if I had that gig.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 32 points33 points  (9 children)

You have to reshape your reality to view it from a female lens, and then all of a sudden it makes sense. For women, the bottom 80% of males simply don't exist. They're "outliers". Anomalies. The top 20% is the average male to a woman's perspective.

When you look at the life of a top 20th percentile man, life looks really great. It looks like life is served to you on a silver platter. Woman assume that's the experience of all men, when it's anything but. Even a lot of the men in the top 20% had to bust their asses to get there.

Women genuinely believe that being a man is easier, because they only see the men for whom life is really good.

[–]luxo42 2 points3 points  (8 children)

Who's to say that you aren't doing the same thing?

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Because men are good at correctly assessing estimates. For instance, judging relative attractiveness. Men typically have dominantly analytical minds, whereas most women don't.

[–]luxo42 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Can I ask how you analytically assessed the relatively difficulty in living as a man compared to living as a woman?

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Same way you do any sort of analysis, make objective comparisons and weight them. Obviously it can't have the rigour of a scientific analysis, but it will procure fairly accurate results.

Consider the things that make living difficult. Barrier of entry, availability of opportunity, price of failure, work effort required, etc. Compare the typical male experience with the typical female experience.

For men to succeed, they have to do quite a bit more than women, and have fewer safety nets for failure.

[–]luxo42 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Consider the things that make living difficult. Barrier of entry, availability of opportunity, price of failure, work effort required, etc. Compare the typical male experience with the typical female experience.

Which of these are more difficult for women and which are more difficult for men? Is this an exhaustive list?

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 0 points1 point  (3 children)

No, not an exhaustive list, simple the ones I was able to rattle off the top of my head.

All of them are harder for men. No one simply grants benefits to men just because they are men. There are very, very few male-only support groups in existence to help men who have failed. There is virtually no empathy on all sides for an unsuccessful man. And lastly, the overwhelming majority of men aren't born with any SMV, they have to work for it and take risks.

This isn't a "woe is me" spiel. Just a counter to the notion that men are the most privileged class.

[–]luxo42 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I was interested in your claim of objective analysis. From what you just told me, you made your judgment by considering only a couple things off the top of your head. You also limited your list to only include difficulties for men.

I was thinking that objective analysis meant a detailed and exhaustive comparison from a detached standpoint considering both sides. It seems we differ in opinion on what an objective analysis means.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Entertain me then, you seem to be on the side that women face as much, or more challenges than a typical man. I've considered the viewpoints offered by women that their lives are more difficult, but found nearly all of their assertions baseless.

At some point in doing an analysis you construct enough data points to feel reasonably sure in your analysis. I can point to a number of other issues men face that are of slightly less importance, but have trouble coming up with any for women.

[–]Ralt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are disposable. No one gives a shit about your struggles or the fact that you are a man and the inherent challenges that come with that. The sooner you incorporate this into yourself, the better. Women are going to act like women, because they're fucking women. You're the one in the wrong for expecting something else.

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2d344d/counterpoint_male_disposability_and_women_needing/

That said, put your victim cards away and break out your books and your weights. This is not Men's Rights. It's time to realize that everyone, men and women, are playing with the cards they're given. Play your strengths - that's all any of us can do.

[–]Asiansensationz 5 points6 points  (1 child)

They gotta rationalize somehow. In fact, I'm glad I'm a man. Sure, I get more shit, no one helps me, and all my endeavours are jokes to many, but those are the things that make me better and more calm.

The achievements and progresses are shrouded by feminism, yet that fuels me. It started as an anger to prove myself to them, but after TRP, the rage induced while the energy flew through me. I don't do it to prove myself; I do this to see how far I can go. After all, you cannot ignore a bright light.

[–]Dick-Tracy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In fact, I'm glad I'm a man

I've been sitting through pre-natal classes, and let me tell you, there are many, many reasons to be glad we're men....

[–]sir_wankalot_here 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You are acting like a woman. A woman breaks a nail it is the end of the world. A man loses his job and complains, he is just a pussy. That is the way it has always been.

[–]gettingoldernotwiser 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's part of what makes it hard.

[–]luxo42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How could you make this sort of judgement? Would you make a list of things that you feel sucks more as a man and then make a list of things that sucks more as a women and whoever had the most wins?

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 49 points50 points  (52 children)

Men don't get any victim cards in their deck. Women get fuckin' aces.

[–]elchoma90 20 points21 points  (44 children)

Unless you're black or Jewish.

[–]nduece 4 points5 points  (20 children)

Black men are the most vilified men in the country. Wtf are you talking about?

[–]elchoma90 27 points28 points  (19 children)

Uhm... Not in my experience. Poor people and criminals are vilified and most blacks suck at not being poor and/or criminals (oh my so racist! Save it for someone who gives a shit please). But a black man with a good head on his shoulders? He gets to pull the racism card any time he wants.

[–]nduece 9 points10 points  (14 children)

If you're not black so how the fuck do you get to comment on their experience? Even as an educated black man I'm 7 times more likely to be shot by a cop than you are as a white guy. I'm not calling you racist. Just woefully wrong.

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    [–]__ROOSTER__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    40 times is probably more like it.

    [–]elchoma90 25 points26 points  (2 children)

    I'm not white. I've seen black people pull the "it's cuz I'm black" card a million times.

    [–]1Modified_Hackware 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I love it when they just presume that you're white.

    [–]Areimanes -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

    Police brutality is out of control. Blame Obama and your politicians for victimless crimes.

    That said, elchoma90 has a point: being a minority with an IQ >110 is a huge plus in this day and age - double points if you're a female minority. Companies will bend over backwards to hire you, just like they do with women. Quotas, groups, etc. You have it all.

    [–]nduece -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

    So beyond "pulling the race card". Please, please tell me what fucking advantages i have that you don't?

    [–]Wake_and_Poi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Not my comment, but employment quotas, scholarships, and to elaborate on the race card a perpetual political correctness firewall with interchangeable victim status attachments. Also these are generalizations man. Nobody is calling you out specifically, chill out.

    [–]elchoma90 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    SJWs defend you as much and as blindly as they do women. Exactly why you get to pull the racism card just as a women get to pull the I-have-a-vagina card. That's all I meant. It's come to the point in which it's impossible to criticize blacks and not be called a racist. Kinda how you can't criticize the feminist movement without being cataloged a misogynist. Except with blacks you don't need to address them as a culture, criticizing an individual will get you cataloged a racist.

    [–]666Evo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Or criticising a religion like Islam... you must be a racist.

    Not that that makes a lick of sense.

    [–]FullRedvolution 31 points32 points  (6 children)

    Men don't get any victim cards in their deck.

    White Men don't get any victim cards in their deck. FTFY

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      [–]Areimanes 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      Asians are the 'wrong' minority. They just work hard and are very bright (average IQ is much higher in Asian countries than in Western countries).

      [–]garlicextract 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      At least women of all races crave white cawk. Quit your bitching.

      [–]FullRedvolution 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Yeah, but also all men crave white pussy. Being the most advertised race is a double edged sword.

      [–]garlicextract 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Nah, it's an advantage to be white if you're a heterosexual male. Just enjoy it, I sure would if I was white.

      [–]Krelious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I think the homophobia card exists

      [–]legedu 40 points41 points  (17 children)

      A weak woman is an unfortunate woman and she can still be attractive to men. She is unfortunate in the sense that nobody assumes her undoing is her own fault.

      Not only can she be attractive, men usually fall over themselves for these girls.

      Like a lot of guys here, I'm the product of a single mother. Because of that (or maybe in spite of that?) I'm very attracted to successful women who have their shit together. It's nice to find a woman who sees your strength and knows that you're the leader despite her own success and sound decision making.

      That being said, the most sexually attracted I've ever been to a woman was a 29 year old at an entry level job making slightly more than minimum wage. She was a knockout, getting hit on countless times everyday. Men offered to buy her cars (one guy offered a house), guys would bring her jewelry, flowers, all without so much as getting a phone number... it was insane. I bought her a couple drinks (I told her she was lucky to get two).

      After a few dates and a lot of out-of-control sex, it was obvious she had some sort of bipolar emotional something or other. Laughing, crying, or anger were her only phases and they all had equal playing time.

      Despite my head telling me to run like hell from this nut job, I literally could not keep my dick out of her. I knew this was the exact opposite of what I should want, and it was also a glimmering example of a classic mistake a lot of men make, but there was something in my biology keeping me coming back for more.

      The point is: a good looking woman that needs saving might be the most attractive thing there is to a man.

      [–]loddfavne 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      I look like a total dick when I point out that girls without careers and self-confidence have more to offer to their partners. When women believe they don't need men, they divorce. A woman that kicks the man out of the nest is not a keeper. That's how I'm thinking. A muslim at work adviced me to get a plain woman. It was an awesome advice, but I didn't want to admit he was dead-on because of an ongoing power-struggle.

      [–]PeteMullersKeyboard 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Also was raised by a single mother, also very much attracted to strong, independent women. Although I'm also extremely turned off the typical "damsel in distress"...girls that act weak just annoy the fuck out of me. In fact, I have a very hard time with weak people in general, it's very hard for me to spend any significant amount of time around them.

      I can understand the attraction to really "weak" typical girly girls, but I can't really feel it. Just never been me. Guess I'm lucky, as they're the ones that cause the most trouble. But I get a lot of shit from my friends about it.

      [–]2asd1100 19 points20 points  (0 children)

      That's why "the whole macho thing" is something that women will never truly understand the purpose of, because it's not something they need to rely upon to be respected or respect themselves. They ask men to open up to the fragility of their humanity at their own peril, unaware of how self-condemning such an exercise is for man. Unaware how quickly even the smallest iota of weakness a man indulges in can consume and transform said man into a bumbling joke.

      I second that.

      This is fundamentally why MRAs are delusional. You can not force society to respect weakness. You can lower the bar for women, because all women have a base utility. But weak men are just resource drainers, a parasite a competition for women.

      [–]spectre-13 25 points26 points  (1 child)

      Men built civilization. Men secured a safe society and continue it's existence today with blood, sweat, tears, and sacrifice. We take the risks. We do what has to be done, and so we are sacrificed to continue existence for everyone else. Now I am not talking about a male. Weak men do not contribute to this role. Aside, failing does not make you a failure as a man, it is only when you have given up, that you become weak. That being said, MEN! Males who have taken on the role nature has given them without shame or complaint. Males who have embraced their masculinity and the role of leadership that accompanies it. Males who live through rational thought and integrity. Males who have shouldered the responsibility of keeping civilization alive for everyone else at whatever cost. Everyone hates these MEN because they embody true power. Women and weak men fear you, so that fear turns to hate. As is the nature of most weak people, they will try to tear you down, instead of trying to bring themselves up. Being a true man IS living life on hard mode, because you take upon yourselves the most difficult task our existence can thrust upon you, you provide security and prosperity for all around you, but at the end of it all, those who you protect and provide for will hate you and supplant you. Striving to be this man, however, is a challenge and a role I accept with pride, because where others are merely swept along by the changes in our world, I have the power to make those changes.

      P.S. Tried to be eloquent about my thoughts on this matter since it is a matter very close to home for me, but /u/IllimitableMan I still applaud your eloquence, theses, and form of all of your articles that I've read. My hat's off to you sir.

      [–]HiddenPools 17 points18 points  (6 children)

      I don't know about you, but I don't view someone with a weak woman on their beck and call "strong". A man who has a woman who exhibits strength, and yet stays with him is FAR more interesting to me. Yeah, you can look at some ass all day long, and obviously there should be a good amount of sexual attraction, we're not talking a strong heffer here, or military battle chicks.

      A woman who is the "alpha" of other women, still retaining her femininity is the prime goal, much like the well off and well muscled man.

      [–]MUTHAFATHAGENTLEMAN 13 points14 points  (4 children)

      Claire Underwood from House of Cards. She's got some great RP tidbits, with Frank being totally RP.

      [–]ramsaykainesmith 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      A very RP show. Highly recommended.

      [–]loddfavne 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      My sister who is a feminist thought that the marriage between Claire and Frank was the worst marriage ever. I thought the best portrail of marriage I've ever seen on TV. I wouldn't mind being stuck in that marriage.

      Sure it's tough, but it's an alliance that gives huge benefits to both parties. The marriages I see on TV is all about men giving away their power, while Frank keeps his power and lets it grow for the benefit of both parties.

      [–]ENTP 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      Bill and Hillary are the obvious inspiration

      [–]ramsaykainesmith 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Frank is through and through RP in the fact that he can sleep with any woman he wants to without any haranging from his wife. And even though claire had her fling with adam, she didn't have a moment's hesitation when she chose frank over adam and she even went as far as threatening to destroy him. She would never have the balls to do that with frank.

      And if frank really wanted monogamy from claire, she would have complied. You can't doubt that.

      [–]LS_D 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      As they say "behind every great man is a good woman" .... which IME is usually true!

      [–]cipahs 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      I joined the army to pay for school. I joined a fraternity in a southern college to get connections (it was way worse than bootcamp).

      [–]SubtleObserver 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      As someone who was not in a fraternity why was it way worse than bootcamp?

      Where a lot of your mates a bunch of those one uppers and try to tare you down for stuff you accomplished?

      [–]cipahs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Just research fraternity hazing methods and the pledge process

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      That's why "the whole macho thing" is something that women will never truly understand the purpose of, because it's not something they need to rely upon to be respected or respect themselves. They ask men to open up to the fragility of their humanity at their own peril, unaware of how self-condemning such an exercise is for man. Unaware how quickly even the smallest iota of weakness a man indulges in can consume and transform said man into a bumbling joke.

      You just put into words something that I've been reflecting on for the last few months. Women ask for sensitive men, but it's not what they want, and it's not what they are attracted to. And we men are much happier embracing our own nature than looking for dubious compromises. Good post, thanks.

      [–]Goldfulgore 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I agree 100% with this post. Can't get any more Red Pill than that.

      There are people in this sub who claim to have swallowed the pill and you can tell that they are not really there yet.

      About 50% or more in this sub are "almost" red pill. Most linger to old thought patterns and beliefs of equality.

      You can tell if someone is 100% red pill if he is not afraid to tread the "male chauvinist" and "misogynist" route.

      [–]limbooo 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Death or glory. That's exactly what it feels like to be a man. They don't now how hard life can be, especially for an average guy, who's a minority from a lower class. All the desperation and violence around me makes sense.

      [–]ohmaaan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Extremely well written, that was an absolute pleasure to read! So many great points made.

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      Women can never understand the struggles men face. The men who appear to struggle are weak and unworthy of their attention, and those who made it give the impression of being naturally successful. To them, so much as complaining about your situation is indication of ones weakness. For that reason I always suggest that one should never complain or show any sign of weakness around their woman. Even small infractions. Women simply lack the faculties to be empathetic to a weak man, hundreds of thousands of years of evolution ensured that.

      That said, I don't think many of us would argue that it would have been better to be born a woman. The perpetual threat of failing and being discarded ensured that I fought to make it to the top. I'm glad to have been born a man.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Likewise I wouldn't give up the struggle for anything. It is what it is. Part of being a successful man is learning to love the struggle.

      [–]Iswearbyapollo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Women are not entitled to any part of my pain or struggle. I keep frame because they don't deserve better.

      It is the one thing they cannot take away or corrupt, because they lack the insight into its value.

      [–]Baylien2 17 points18 points  (3 children)

      As men, we are richer in life than any woman could ever dream of becoming, for we have the struggle and they do not. Without struggle, there is no progress, and without progress there is no fulfillment. All I know is pain, and I embrace it.

      [–]CRUSHPUSSY_MARRYAMAN 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      "The first soap was made from the ashes of heroes, like the first monkeys shot into space. Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing." - Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club

      [–]Wikipodiatrist 2 points3 points  (4 children)

      Being a man isn't easy, it's harder than being a woman.

      ...You guys don't actually believe this do you? Maybe in America, but on the whole, I really wouldn't agree. Hoping not to be downvoted simply for disagreeing.

      [–]RedPillRedditAccount 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Unless stated otherwise, we're always discussing WESTERN societies. Like America.

      [–]Wikipodiatrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Fair enough, but that's still an overly broad generalization I think. I dislike many aspects of western women, but I still don't think pussy passes like free drinks at a bar or what have you even come close to all the things women deal with more often than men, like sexual harassment.

      [–]paperanch0r 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      What leads you to disagree?

      [–]Wikipodiatrist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The historical and contemporary oppression of women on a massive scale worldwide.

      [–]eevil_kaneevil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      What about being an ugly woman or just a plain ol' subpar looking woman(like me)? The only thing I have easier than a man is getting laid. I consider my life mode to be of similar difficulty to that of an average man's. Not that I resent it, in fact I'm thankful for it & I would choose masculinity over femininity any day. The thing with hard mode is you get to experience pride & independence.

      I would choose being a powerful king over being a flowery-teehee-please-put-it-in-my-ass-princess any day of the week. I mean,come on, is that really the sort of existence you want for yourself?

      [–]Bitterposer 25 points26 points  (11 children)

      Being a man isn't easy, it's harder than being a woman.

      No, it's really not. Being a man is awesome. Being a woman sucks. Even though society bends over backwards to give you advantages, you still pretty much suck at most things.

      The whiny "oh its so hard to be a man" part is the thing about TRP I hate the most. If you want to whine about being a man, go to r/mensrights. When you're ready to BE a man, come back.

      [–]Kaltano 23 points24 points  (2 children)

      Despite how awesome it may be it is still harder. The end of your first paragraph contradicts your assertion that it is not in the beginning of it. If society is bending over backwards to give one gender advantages in life and not the other the first has life in general easier regardless of what they can make of their life with those advantages in comparison to those without them.

      Threads do get whiny from time to time in here, usually when there is an influx of new subscribers who post or comment when they should lurk for awhile longer. This post was not one of them however it articulates a point that needs to be made for those new to the path we tread. Those still new to these ideas may need it pointed out to them that the propaganda that women have life just as hard or harder is false and why.

      If what you want is a place just for long term adherents to the red pill it seems to me that it's you that should look elsewhere as that is not this subreddit's sole purpose. You would save yourself a lot of unneeded aggravation.

      [–]Traz_Onmale 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      As a man, one gets real admiration for one's accomplishments, real attention and real friendship. A woman will always suspect that it's due to her pussy, which is not really a compliment for her. Also, I'd rather have my strength be admired and my weakness be despised than the other way around.

      [–]joe_bruised_ego 1 point2 points  (6 children)

      As a man, there’s a 1 in three chance you were strapped down at birth and had your genitals mutilated.

      Welcome to the world as a man. So much privilege.

      [–]1favours_of_the_moon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      For me it's about having personal integrity.

      For a woman, that's an absurd concept. As a man, (as a REAL man,) you can't do without it.

      There are many ways to cheat, bullshit and have your way. We can't do that.

      [–]648262 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I don't think any of us can call it harder or more difficult to be a man than a woman. We are so different that it becomes impossible to compare it.

      This is why a call for equality makes no sense.

      I really enjoy your writings and you are years ahead if me on this, but I don't see the post above here as more than a pat on the back for guys who recently has experienced some tough love.

      It is difficult being a man. And it's probably difficult being a woman as well, but I don't know how to be one so I can't really explain what is difficult about it well.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      You speak truth and it inspires me, brother.

      This is exactly the type of content I come to TRP to find-- male self improvement/truth/strategies to take my life as a man to the next level.

      Do you know any other subreddits or websites that discuss this type of more general content? Having my sexual strategies sorted out at this point I am less interested in game and storytelling for little boys who got their feelings hurt by a girl.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Have you been made aware of /r/alreadyred ? Posts aren't made as often as they are here but the general quality is higher.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      No, thanks. I'll check it out

      [–]CornyHoosier 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Whilst they [women] envy the heights they see great men reach, they neglect to notice the depths that many a failed man has plunged to in pursuit of his manhood. A fate they need not ever fear.

      This is the dark truth behind being a man. While it may be fun and games for some, most of us will fail and die badly ... and no one will ever care.

      [–]writeonbrother 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Thanks for the post. Having been born a man is the greatest gift I've ever received.

      [–]mclorie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Saved for future reading.

      Or daily reading.

      [–]fydorm 1 point2 points  (6 children)

      Nature benefits by experimenting with men. Since one man can have children with multiple women, it furthers the survival of the species to have high variance among men. The top of the pack spread their genes, and natural selection is sped up significantly faster than if there weren't outstanding men.

      [–]Traz_Onmale -1 points0 points  (5 children)

      If only the top men reproduce, you'd expect less variance, not more.

      [–]el_beso_negro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      No it doesn't, its that selection that allows a population to drift and favor certain traits over others. If there weren't any pressures selecting for a trait, you would have no significant change.

      [–]fydorm -1 points0 points  (3 children)

      There's more variance in men. This allows women to choose men who are significantly better than most other men. If there was less variance in men, women would all have average men, and it would take longer for good genes to propagate.

      [–]Traz_Onmale 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      There is more variance in men, but if only a small subset of men produced offspring you'd expect less variance. If women were more likely to reproduce than men you'd expect more variance in women.

      This higher variance in men must be caused by something else then. Perhaps men who deviated from the men's mean had more chances of reproducing compared average men than women deviating from the women's mean did compared to average women. A smart man has an advantage over an average man, a smart woman does not have an advantage over an average woman. Also, a man can be dumb as a door, if he's a good warrior he'll be able to spread his genes far and wide.

      [–]2alisonstone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Men do have a higher rate of genetic drift because the Y-chromosome does not have the redundancy of an X-chromosome. I believe that historically, a large percentage of men (I read that it was as high as 40%) failed to reproduce, but that is certainly not true any more.

      [–]fydorm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That's what I was trying to say, thank you for rewording it more clearly.

      [–]HalfAsianBob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Being 6'1"+, white and good looking, it is probably easier on average than being a female.

      Being a female is 1000000X easier than being a male in every other way.

      Women willingly will share an alpha while easily exploiting beta cash-flow. They literally have the ability to do everything a man wants to do: fuck the most attractive members of the opposite sex without consequence, and be paid for doing nothing but laying on your back.

      Let's get real.

      Men daily kill themselves by the thousands simply because they can't find someone to kiss them on the cheek and women can get to home plate 6 times in a day and be told they are beautiful, valuable members of society 100 of times a day while a man may spend his entire life and blood to help keep infrastructure in place, and he wouldn't even get a single thank you other than a government payslip.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      except you don't get any points for embracing those ideals in a modern ever more post-biological society except for making life more straightforeward for women.

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        [–]1spicy_fries 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        As a man most people won't help you for being weak, they don't sympathise with your weakness, they laugh at you and "how you could ever let yourself get like that."

        That's the troof! You brought home some strong points. Reality just shifted for me.

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          [–]__ROOSTER__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I've never met a man who envies women.

          [–]jrr6415sun -1 points0 points  (4 children)

          you guys really believe that being a woman is easier than a man?

          Sure attractive women have it easy, but as women grow older they become less valuable. As men grow older they become more valuable. It is common for 40 year old men date 25 year old women. You rarely see it the other way around.

          Men are more respected in the work place, make a higher wage on average, they are less likely to be taken advantage of at stores like car dealerships. Men have it so much easier in almost every way.

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          I think life as a man is hard because you are fundamentally alone. If you're up, you have friends, and you have women. If you're down, you fall alone. Male friends do not tolerate weakness, females despise it. You fall, people steer clear; around you, a big empty circle forms.

          LaFontaine has a fable about an old lion, too weak to stand, being kicked by a donkey. That's how it is. No mercy. If a man falls, he'd better find his feet again fast, or he'll be kicked to death. Or in the best of cases, left alone.

          Women have no idea what this is all about. Sure, they age, they lose their looks, they stop getting preferential treatment after a couple of decades. Even so, they have a social network to commiserate with them, to share stories, to find mutual comfort, It's never going to be the absolute solitude of the old lion.

          [–]1Watermelon_Salesman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Women can expect to be provided for. Having a career is an option, not a must. It all comes down to that. Also, their lives have intrinsic value, for their reproductive capabilities. Men have to build their own value.

          Men are more respected in the work place

          And rightly so.

          make a higher wage on average

          Not for the same job, same hours and same qualifications.

          They are less likely to be taken advantage of at stores like car dealerships.

          That's some really silly criteria. If someone gets fooled in a car dealership, that's their individual problem. It's up to each person to wise up.

          [–]Gunseng 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Men are more respected at work and earn more money on average because they work more on average and choose higher paying professions. I have no idea how often people get fooled when buying a car, but I doubt that these three examples show that men have an easier life "in almost every way"

          [–]ch4os1337 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          Guys, don't just downvote this. Actually fuckin reply so something good can come of it. I'm about to pass out (5:30 am) but hopefully someone else can explain.

          [–]SmallEyesRoughSkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I love how this lays no claim at being an answer or a proof of direction, as in, what benefit is there to being respected in such an empty world.

          [–]SikPon11 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          I don't mean to offend, but this post is ridiculous.

          Anyone born a man that would rather be a woman because "they have it easier" is an idiot.

          We are men. Men run the world. Quit bitching.

          Disclaimer

          I appreciate posts like this, and how people like OP post intelligent ideas for others on this sub to read. HOWEVER, men are not worse off then women. /js

          [–]Zahoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The honesty is in the fact that not all men rule the world. In fact, somewhat of a minority do. On the path to world ruling many men will fall to the wayside and be forgotten and alone.

          [–]SaariCanCrook -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          This ain't no fucking competition man.