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[–]OhYouPoorSOB 103 points104 points  (15 children)

Any guy who has worked in the retail or service industry already knew this. Manual labor as well. You end up doing more work for the same pay, because you're the man and can physically do more than most women.

This doesn't always apply to white collar jobs though. I've witnessed some female lawyers and doctors work their rears off for the same pay, but the males are more connected and become partners before they do.

[–]tsotha 39 points40 points  (10 children)

At my white collar job there are a fair number of women, but if you look around at 6:00 PM even though roughly every third cubicle is still occupied you won't see any of them.

[–]YouBigDingus 36 points37 points  (6 children)

At my office all the women start packing in it for the day around 4:30. They're like school kids waiting for the bell to ring. It's always been this way with every female employee I have worked with. Once a chick got all whiny because she couldn't leave until 5:30 one day, causing her to be late for happy hour.

[–]3dogs3cats1goodlife 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Are they being paid to stay past 430? Or are you the schmuck working for free?

[–]darksoldierk 14 points15 points  (4 children)

4:30? HA! at my office, it starts at 3, by 4 all the women are gone and the only people left working are men.

[–]thetenman 10 points11 points  (1 child)

HR at my company is 100% women, god help you if you need them for something after 4 any day of the week except Friday, on Friday they won't be in.

[–]666Evo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I work in HR. My job isn't quite HR, more of a payroll position but I reside in HR none the less. The above description is completely accurate.
The ones that haven't gotten their "work-life balance" day off as a Friday, are either not in because "kid's sick" or for "personal reasons". Any that are here after 5, only do so because they started their day at 9:30-10:00 due to having to "drop their kids off" (nobody has a child under 10), and they're not here until 6 like they should be. As soon as the boss is gone, they're done within 10 minutes.
Some of them complain about still being here at 5, despite having arrived late for the majority of the days during the week. And arriving 10 minutes early? Well, shit, you can just head on home at 4:30.

[–]ItsonFire911 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In my office if you are in by 8am you are out by 4pm. Everyone in at that time leaves on time and no one stays late unless they need to pick up extra hours. The difference is how long gossip time is. I have seen women chatting it up for hours at a time (not to say the men don't at times, but they will not chat for more than a couple minutes.). Same pay different work ethics.

[–]Stormhammer 5 points6 points  (2 children)

To be fair, if they're mothers and are not paying for day care, I could view it as acceptable. Mostly because fuck daycare, that shit is $$$

[–]tsotha 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Doesn't matter to me what the excuse is. When I hear women complaining about wage gaps I glance at all those unoccupied cubicles and roll my eyes.

Yeah, sometimes it's about kids. But the childless women do it too.

[–]Stormhammer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The childless women to me have no excuse. But if a woman is a mother and her 8 year old is home at 4pm, and they're not paying a second mortgage worth in day care ( its how much a friend and his wife are paying for their two kids. Like $1200/mo ), then by all means, be home for the child. Same logic applies to fathers as well if that's the way the pendulum swings.

[–]ComplainyGuy 26 points27 points  (1 child)

There's been an influx of children/manchildren to rp and I think a good way to cull them is ban anyone that downvotes your comment.

[–]fortifiedoranges 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hahahaha you got voted down already, I had to counter that.

[–]Youbetripping 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've worked in a supermarket, a pharmacyand sales. Men do anything that involves any level of strength. Which is most of the work.

[–]52576078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've got to agree with the white collar thing. I've worked with some really impressive, smart and hard working women over the years, and had a few girlfriends who were reporting to boards. These girls were nobody's fools, and had to put up with their fair share of sexism.

[–]CryptoManbeard 43 points44 points  (2 children)

If "equal pay for equal labor" was a real problem, then a greedy businessman would hire an all female workforce at a 25% labor cost reduction and kill the competition.

It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. "Well Jane we were going to hire you at $15 an hour but since you're a woman we're only going to give you $12.50"

[–]SomebodyCool 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If "equal pay for equal labor" was a real problem, then a greedy businessman would hire an all female workforce at a 25% labor cost reduction and kill the competition.

Can you imagine? not only would you achieve a truly massive cut in labor costs, but you would also get showered in media praise for hiring tons of women.

I mean, if everything feminism says regarding women and the workplace is true, then you can get away with cutting 25% of your costs while keeping your workforce just as effective and productive, it's perfect.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

One time I was talking to this girl and she was complaining about the "glass ceiling" that exists for women in the professional world. I asked her to explain. She then said, "Look at all of the richest CEOs in America, they're all men. It's because women can't get promoted to that level."

I was kind of just ignoring her and drinking. But after the fact, I realized I should have said, "No, it's because women are too stupid to achieve it."

[–]beware_the_syllogism 92 points93 points  (1 child)

This also sums up the HR department in an office.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

HR is kind of just like feminist headquarters in every company. Watching out for the bad evil men.

[–]golddelorean 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I had the "pleasure" of contracting for a government health organization for the past 2 years in an IT role. Coworkers were 75% female. Easily the most inefficiently run IT department I've ever worked with. Projects that were slated for 2 months routinely ran 6 months or more. I was "outed" as the "antisocial" guy because I didn't want to gather around a cubicle and chat for half the day.

The kicker: Government salaries are released in a public report every year. The only gap I saw was the amount of work being done.

[–]goofproofacorn 140 points141 points  (30 children)

I was banned just today from R/feminism for a comment that said the wage gap isn't true. Instant ban. Hamsters gonna hamster.

[–]Here2lrn[S] 88 points89 points  (23 children)

Why were you posting there? Not like you're going to be able to logic a woman out of a position she hamstered herself in to.

[–]Vioret 58 points59 points  (18 children)

This. Words to live by;

Never try to rationalize someone out of a position they did not rationalize their way into.

[–]PolishHammerMK 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Don't bullshit a bullshitter

[–]1sailorJery 3 points4 points  (15 children)

You've never held an irrational belief that was defeated with logic?

[–]Vioret 3 points4 points  (11 children)

No, because if it was defeated by logic, then obviously I didn't "ir"rationalize my way into that position.

[–]1sailorJery 2 points3 points  (10 children)

How is that obvious? Epistemically speaking you've always held true beliefs?

[–]ThePedanticSkeptic 3 points4 points  (9 children)

No. I believe he's saying he's attempting to hold as many true beliefs as he can, not that he's never wrong. He holds things to be true based on the evidence around him, and accepts that he does not always have all the evidence nor may always interpret it correctly; and he tries not to base his beliefs on what he 'feels' is correct.

He's saying that if you 'feel' your way into a thought, rational arguments aren't going to dissuade you from that thought; so if he's been dissuaded by a rational argument then he wasn't irrational when adopting it.

[–]let_terror_reign 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Different, men are much more open to logic. Women, much less so.

[–]1sailorJery -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Then the statement should read never try to rationalize a woman out of a position they didn't rationalize their way into.

[–]let_terror_reign 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Actually, BP men are just as closed, which they hide by getting angry.

[–]Man-being 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Contra principia negantem non est disputandum

[–]goofproofacorn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha cause i wanted to stir the hornets nest

[–]ALargeBicep 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I got instabanned for saying "... It's a fucking commercial...".

I was so proud.

[–]Nerf_Circus 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I got banned for posting a picture of a whale and asking "what dress size am i?"

That was pretty uncalled for I think. /s

[–]let_terror_reign -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That is fucking hilarious, upvoted

[–]Kogster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

/r/feminism is very generous with bans.

[–]suloco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude I was banned just for suggesting that the right to child custody should be assessed and not automatically favor women.

Never even so what hit me.

[–]Fzed600 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They were looking at your history and found out that you're a redpill slut.

[–]Position5hero 46 points47 points  (5 children)

while occasionally stopping to do some work.

Clear injustice. They had to do work- what sexism.

How can you be ok with this?

[–]beware_the_syllogism 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I've seen more people get promoted by passing the buck ("delegating") in almost every single type of work environment then actually doing any productive work.

[–]CryptoManbeard 11 points12 points  (1 child)

That's because delegating effectively is a key to success once you get beyond grunt work. A bit like how rich people have their money work for them. The sign of a good manager is that they don't need to be there.

[–]1independentmale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This.

Good managers delegate well. They pick the right people for the job, set the necessary expectations and the job gets done. People who are effective at delegating naturally get promoted into management positions.

[–]SomebodyCool 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've seen more people get promoted by passing the buck ("delegating") in almost every single type of work environment then actually doing any productive work.

Because promotion isn't intended to reward how hard you work, it's intended to put you in a position of higher responsibility where you are expected to be effective. If you insist on doing menial tasks and won't or can't take a leadership role (which means, among other things, organizing the work of others) then you won't get promoted.

You don't pick your best most dedicated fry cook to run your McDonalds, you pick the guy that looks like he can effectively organize 12 other employees.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah she should totally be getting money for free... there's a program for that! It's called welfare.

[–]TehFuggernaut 33 points34 points  (3 children)

There's a manufacturing facility/factory connected to my office.

They outright say they won't hire women unless they have to - they can't lift 50 lbs, and they never work as hard.

[–]stemgang 18 points19 points  (1 child)

And then quota hires wonder why they aren't respected in the workplace.

It's because the only reason they are there is that the employer was forced to hire them. By no means did they earn their position.

[–]Cryocasm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

quota hires

This is so fucking stupid. I hate all this shit about having to have a certain quota on women in your workplace. You're being forced to hire shit employees or face preposterous consequences.

I once completely owned my feminist german teacher on the topic, got the lowest grade possible in class participation and she dragged my behavior grade down because I was "inconsiderate". -.-

[–]Fzed600 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd up it to 100lbs. You dont want an obese butch lesbian in a male work environment.

[–]BluepillProfessor 41 points42 points  (3 children)

Whoa unto you shitlord.

Just yesterday a cover story on CNN was a woman complaining about the Vagina Tax and demanding EACH woman in the United States be given a check for $500,000.00 for the 'wage gap' inequality.

[–]Thursday088 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Natural selection seems to have dropped the ball lately, needs to get out of dodge.

[–]ClassicGoth 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I work in a warehouse for a major car parts retailer. Everyone (non-management) is on the same pay scale and pay escalation rate.

Women stock/pull items weighing, on average, a couple of pounds each--filters, wrenches, sockets.

Men stock/pull car batteries, buckets of oil, and 70 lb. cases of antifreeze.

[–]Abadoobie 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And don't even get started on the way work is delegated in scenarios where it's basically up to the workers to organize themselves. Women miraculously always end up with the easier jobs while the dirty/hard stuff gets left to the men. I've never been more impressed with how women manage to position themselves into places of plausible deniability than watching them avoid work they didn't like doing.

[–]M_Ahmadinejad 25 points26 points  (5 children)

In my experience, there is a fundamental misunderstanding by women about what work is. Women tend to think that they are being paid for their time and that all they have to do is show up, get through the day, and get paid. Men, on the other hand, realize that they are getting paid for the value they add to the company, whether it be through their labor, technical knowledge, business acumen, etc.

[–]sonickid101 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In essence selling hours of your life to your employer is what we're all doing when we work but just showing up and doing little to nothing should get any employee fired no matter their sex. Now if 1 employee whether man or woman outputs 3x more than another employee that employee aught to be paid 3x better than the other employee. Or if that job only pays a certain set amount then the slacker putting out only 1/3 the output of the better employee only aught to get 1/3 the pay. It's not like there isn't an abundance of available labor out there right now unless its in job requiring a lot of education its a employers market if your ass don't produce you should be kicked to the curb no matter what you have between your legs.

[–]respectyourprivilege 16 points17 points  (2 children)

You should always work to the minimum required, unless there are promotion opportunities. If your boss is paying you $10 an hour and you move 80kg of materials per day, and if your boss won't fire you for moving just 50kg per day, the extra 30kg you do, you are doing for free.

If he needs that extra 30kg doing, he'll pay someone else or pay you extra to do it. You don't owe the guy anything - never forget that he only pays you because it gets him even more money to do so. There's no goodwill on his part. It's like overpaying rent or not bartering at the market.

The women have a lower minimum requirement because of reality and men worrying about setting off the 'sexist' accusations. We're playing the same game, they just have an unfair advantage.

[–]mrninja1097 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This right here, The Gervais Principle in action. Working for a salary is selling labor for a non-correlative gain. Those who recognize this do the bare minimum and stop giving away their labor for free. Salaries are a placeholder for the potential economic opportunity of capitalism. If you haven't read it already, read the Gervais Principle.

[–]gensyms 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[–]omnipedia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just like men in here are type A and type B women. The type Bs of both sexes show up and watch the clock to leave. He'll even I've been that person when the boss was an idiot. And while I've been annoyed at slacker women I've also worked with women who were type A and who kicked ass, sometimes my ass.

I think these are women without hamsters or who have hamsters under control.

Since TRP is about discovering the hamster and how it affects men, I think sometimes we forget that in reality not AWALT.

[–]birdhot 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Also relevant:

Anyone remember the BP Deep Horizon spill? Did you know that the entire spill happened because safety officer on-board was a 23-year-old woman who panicked and didn't shut off the well?

Ms. Fleytas, 23, had graduated from maritime school in 2008 and had only been on the Horizon for 18 months. This was her first well-control emergency. But she had been trained, she said, to immediately sound the general master alarm if two or more sensors detected gas. She knew it had to be activated manually. She also knew how important it was to get crew members out of spaces filled with gas.

Yet with as many as 20 sensors glowing magenta on her console, Ms. Fleytas hesitated. She did not sound the general master alarm. Instead she began pressing buttons that told the system that the bridge crew was aware of the alarms.

“It was a lot to take in,” she testified. “There was a lot going on.” [...]

Ms. Fleytas said it never occurred to her to use the emergency shutdown system. In any event, she explained, she had not been taught how to use it. “I don’t know of any procedures,” she said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/us/26spill.html

Sorry to post 2x in the same thread, but just recalled this and it was dying to be posted

[–]totorox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh woooooow

women care more about ecology. If women were in charge we wouldnt be ruining the planet

I guess it is true because we would still be living in shithuts.

BTW that young idiot girl isnt responsible. Who is, is who put her there.

[–]alclarkey 15 points16 points  (7 children)

I worked in a Foundry for two years. Can I get compensated for the not having to slowly kill yourself with hard, hot, dusty labor gap? Not one woman out there on the shop floor doing that shit.

[–]darksoldierk 11 points12 points  (6 children)

No man, didn't you hear? woman want to skip all the down and dirty work and go straight to the boardroom.

[–]Jalil343 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Not to interrupt the circlejerk, but they claim higher ROE%... Hypothetically, what if its true? Don't smite me; even odds its cherry-picked number polish, but its a bold claim.

[–]darksoldierk 1 point2 points  (2 children)

If it's true, that's fine. The market will adjust itself and corporations will naturally hire more women. Lets not forget, all for-profit corporations reason for existence is to create the largest bottom line possible. I'm not saying that discrimination is not a factor in today's world, What I am saying is that it is not a large enough factor to interrupt the natural order of things and force companies to replace male directors with female JUST because they are female. If there is a woman that has more experience and education than a man for a very high level job, it is in the corporation's best interest to hire that woman.

[–]Jalil343 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Everyone knows the market is a completely rational agent. /s

Two competing assumptions here: the ROE rose independently of the female hire, or because of it.

The first means that the gender quota was meaningless at best, if not harmful.

The second means that "the market will sort itself out" in nearly the century that women have worked hasn't held up.

[–]darksoldierk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The market IS a rational agent, at least for the most part. As I said, I'm not saying there is absolutely no discrimination, but discrimination can only be eliminated when the people that discriminate are removed from power. Forcefully removing them is not possible. Therefore, we have to wait until they die or they leave the job market. This generation of men is very aware of the fairness of the genders, and I have not yet met a man around my age, red pill or not, that has stated that a man should have more rights than a woman simply because he is a man. Women are forcing equality through the education system, which logically means that when those boys grow up and enter the job market, they will be the ones that hire based on experience and education, not based on gender. The issue is, women alive today want it to happen in their lifetimes, they want to reap the rewards personally. And, a quota is harmful because it undo's the idea that a person should be hired solely on their education and experience. For example, if my company has met it's quota for women, than I won't hire any more women. Why should I? I was forced to hire the ones I have, now I'll hire the people I want to hire.

The idea that "the market will sort itself out" hasn't held up in the last century because feminism is constantly changing, and has always constantly changed. Can you give me one, just one, notion of feminism that is static amongst all of the people who claim to be "feminists"? The market adjusts at a much slower pace than the events that occur which the change in the market is dependant on. Think of the market like a plant. If it has sunshine and water, it can live a healthy life. Lets say you give it water, than you move it away from the window and put it in your basement and forget about it for a week. Is it going to die right away? No. It will be ok for a couple of days because it has enough water and is running through it's supply of sunshine. After a couple of days, the effects of the lack of water and sunshine become noticeable. If, after a week you take it back up beside a window, and give it water, it may take days or weeks for it to start being healthy again. Constantly moving the plant will change the way the plant looks, but it won't change it right away, it will take time. There is a lag. The market is similar, it adjusts, but there is a lag, sometimes the lag is short, sometimes it's long. Forcing the market to adjust because it isn't a completely rational agent only harms the market.

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Jesus fucking Christ. That's it...

We kill all the betas. This shit has to stop. It's not the women. It's the betas that enable them. They may as well not even be men.

[–]blarghstar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Killing all the betas would eliminate the competition, it would mean more woman for the remaining.

But face it being redpilled gives you already such a big head start, why even bother?

[–]B_Campbell 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My thought on this. Is there a wage gap because women make different career choices and are less like to risk asking for a raise or job jump? Probably. There's lots of reasons in the world people make less money. I'm a bit short and not as attractive as some. Statistically, people who are taller and more attractive earn more. Am I sitting around waiting for a law to be passed to fix it? Hell no. I work out, be personal, and crush my job and I'm rewarded very well because of it.

Was I born and provided with some advantages over other people. Yes. We're other people born and provided advantages over me. Yes. Welcome to the planet.

[–]raceAround126 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I've been a tech manager for three different companies now.

  • There IS a wage gap. Women routinely get paid more than their male counterparts usually for lesser positions!

  • I have personally not been able to hire qualified enthusiastic white males simply on account of my not having a "diverse" enough team. There are been a few times now that I've had to employ the only non-white non-male applicant simply to tick boxes. That person has always earned the top salary of that payscale and in two specific occasions have turned out to be a burden rather than a team player!

  • As a hiring manager, it gets difficult when an Internal position comes up and you have to tell a perfectly qualified white male that he didn't get the role over someone else who was better suited and more experienced, oh and did I mention she was a female?

  • Only on one occasion was I able to kick back hard enough against a HR decision regarding a promotion; I told the HR girl that I wasn't going to tell an experienced engineer of 10 years that he lost out to a major promotion over a 24 year old girl without so much as even a college degree! I told her that she could tell him herself. It worked, the engineer got the role but I was out of the job (for other reasons) six months later. Oddly my termination meeting was headed by the same HR girl.

If only I had a pussy - I could have sued hardcore for some lovely discrimination credits right there!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can see why the feminists would target the tech field. It's where all the money is now a days.

[–]bigyellowtwinki 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Happened to me once before when working as a picker in a warehouse. I worked pretty fast as a picker, and another girl worked decently, but then we had an old woman come to "help" when we were overwhelmed. She was ridiculously slow, to the point where I practically begged the supervisor to fire or replace her because she did not even 1/50th the work I was doing. She probably got paid more than me too because she had more seniority.

Equal pay has always been a huge racket, because no one works at the same pace, but I guess the average of what we all did wasn't worth very much to the company, who probably couldn't afford to pay us any more due to whatever overhead they had to foot, taxes, licenses, benefits, etc.

[–]whitey_male 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Legal secretary, requires zero tertiary study and pays about 60-80k. Basically a professional wage.

There are many far easier office jobs that are much the same. I'm pretty sure you have to look good though and keep yourself at least vaguely attractive. Just as men do and we have to do the harder stuff.

Go fuck yourselves feminist scum.

[–]birdhot 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I often work in a city courthouse.

The male security guards have always run a tight ship at the metal detectors and security lines. Everyone is in and out, instructions are given loudly and clearly, if some old or slow person is holding up the line emptying their pockets, the guards will immediately tell the next ready person to step up along the line. What's more, these guys take pride in their work.

Recently female guards appeared on the staff.

They: 1) Slow down the line to mother elderly visitors through the process and bar people from bypassing.

2)Alternately, they ignore all visitors while standing behind the x-ray machine talking on the phone to their boyfriends. Never seen a male guard do anything remotely this irresponsible.

3) Stand around not doing anything, then shout randomly to instill fear, which they equate with authority. I had passed through the metal detector when one female guard suddenly bitches at me that my jacket has to go through the x-ray separately. Never heard this directive before. I ignored her and said to the male guard, 'Why? The metal detector didn't go off.' But he just looks at me miserably as she repeats herself even louder, so I obeyed for the sake of speed.

The worst part is not just how inefficient these hamsters are, but how demoralized the male guards who formerly ran a tight operation seem, now that they are stuck with incompetent coworkers and forbidden from even complaining.

By the way, this is a place where criminals get access to witnesses to crime, and regularly try to sneak weapons in.

[–]Screenp2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Around my shop, this position pays XX amount of dollars no matter who stands there. I don't care who you are, poor work performance is weeded out rather quickly.

[–]AnotherLostCause 12 points13 points  (2 children)

A couple of thoughts. In their hamsters they believe they were as productive as you were. In their hamsters they understand that it is really the fault of men that they are there. If their were more good men around they'd be giving the keys of their BMW to the valet indtead of being stuck there. In their hamsters they know that women can multitask so they really can talk and do as much as men. Seriously who are you going to believe the hamster or your lying eyes. So they are as good as men and if they aren't it is men who are to blame.

[–]OsoFeo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

In their hamsters they know that women can multitask so they really can talk and do as much as men.

Relevant

[–]totorox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

IQ drops of 15 points for multitasking men lowered their scores to the average range of an 8-year-old child.

8-year-old child

Sounds about right. 8-year-old child with the power of pussy of a grown woman. And we wonder why we used to keep them in the kitchen, or why muslims veil them.

[–]writeonbrother 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I wonder if anyone has looked at whether this lack in productivity has contributed to outsourcing.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, I'd go as far as to say Americans in general contributed to outsourcing. Most Americans have food on there table but the people in India and China are starving. So they are willing to work harder for less.

If we humans could be replaced by monkeys for a profit I guarantee you that would happen.

[–]krakosia 4 points5 points  (1 child)

An interesting show to watch to see this in action is the survivor show where they had men and women put on an island and they were grouped by sex.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 16 points17 points  (5 children)

TIL that American women are weak and useless ontop of being land whales. Who do you think plants rice ?

[–]Dick-Tracy 20 points21 points  (2 children)

They didn't used to be, but we automated them out of a job long ago (vacuum cleaner, washing machine, dishwasher).

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

We did that because they kept complaining about all the work they had to do around the house - and still they're unhappy!

[–]rainbowhotpocket 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good point; it's the same as low skilled workers being put out of work due to machinery to, for example, dig ditches or paint fences.

[–]Flareprime 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Planes drop the seeds from the air

[–]Abadoobie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And industrial and pre-industrial American women were very similar. But if you watch the change in technology you see the pattern that emerged to create what America is today. Technology made their jobs obsolete. The only bastion on female necessity was children, then the pill happened and technology took that as well. Now they had a surplus of time and started demanding political and economic power.

Technology made the modern woman, not feminists or gender studies or political movements. The truth is they have it infinitely easier than women anywhere other than Europe and they complain the most about what they don't have.

[–]metallica11 12 points13 points  (4 children)

better check your privilege at the door....

in must be too infuriating to be in this situation. I would love for someone to do a documentary going to into factories such as these and secretly document how much work certain classes do compared to others (Whites/Blacks/Men/Women/Old People/Young People/Mexicans/Asians). If everyone is called out for SOMETHING (since every subset has weaknesses), then people will be less inclined to call out "THIS STUDY WAS RUN BY MISOGYNIST SHITLORDS".

For example, the results would be like this:

-White people take 25% more smoke breaks than all others

-Black people move 25% more weight total than all others but have 25% more on the job conflicts.

-Asian and Mexican workers work 50% faster than all others but demand 25% more money.

-Women account for 50% or less workplace conflicts but move 50% less total product.

-A man with equal experience to a women gets paid 5% more.

-Women on average take 10% more vacation than men due to maternity leave etc.

Then all you have to do is look at facts.

[–]a_murderer 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Everyone already knows this shit. Feminists don't care about facts they care about feelings.

[–]vaker 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Women account for 50% or less workplace conflicts

I assume you wanted to say 'more'...

[–]t21spectre 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agreed, almost everywhere I've worked in my life, including the military, there is generally peace and stability in an all male environment. Throw in a bunch of women and watch the drama and decreased productivity skyrocket.

[–]DasWood 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is why piece work exists. If he wants to get rid of them, assign the poor performers to the same section so nothing gets done. When the management's management gets wind they are paying people to not work they will be shit canned rather quickly.

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[–]williamwilliam2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I always point out 'the wage gap' is illegal and women have an obligation to report it. Why are they not reporting it?

[–]Zebleblic 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I work at a plant in Canada. Last week I was at the packaging side and saw several women working. They all worked as hard as the men. It was bs work ment for machines. It takes a certain type of person to do bitch factory work for 20 years.

[–]LuvBeer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It may come as a surprise that ILO Convention 100 of 1951, an international agreement regulating equal pay for men and women, specifies clearly that equal pay is for work of equal value.

[–]otanigga 2 points3 points  (0 children)

small micro employer here, I can confirm.

1) while getting more difficult to find, u can still mind males who have a reasonable standard in terms of what they are worth in the market place. Woman almost universally have terribly unrealistic standards in terms of what their job responsibilities are, what their level of skills are ans what they are being paid. I can'y tell you how many woman are out there with a terrible attitude, clerical skills and think they are worth $80k a year.

There are still males out there who understand that i want the work done with zero drama, good output and in exchange i will pay a more than fair wage.

[–]klrjhthertjr 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I go to the library every day to do homework for my classes. Get done in a few hours and go home. I see girls there who spend more time on their phone, occasionally looking down to try and figure out their homework. I would be quite upset if they said they worked as hard or harder then me. If I were the boss I would figure out a way to fire them, and if they brought it up that I was sexist I'm sure I could find multiple videos to prove it. Equal time does not equal the same work.

[–]darksoldierk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They DID and DO work as hard and harder than you. You know why? Because they have a vagina and you don't.

[–]vaker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They worked harderer because they spent more time on it!

[–]Hughtub 3 points4 points  (3 children)

This shit will continue only as long as the men who are doing 6x the work still allow themselves to be paid as much as someone doing 1/6th their work. They have only themselves to blame. Our dilemma is one of group cowardice.

[–]whitey_male 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's also because the powers that be want us oppressed.

[–]harkrank 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Men have to be frugal so they can afford to demand a better salary. It's not women being paid too much. Of course not, that doesn't make sense for any business. It's men being paid too little.

[–]Abadoobie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And it's happening. Men are opting out of dedicating their lives to professional success instead of doing what they like. Career women have a HELL of a time finding men with similar income and professional levels. The more female-male graduate levels continue, the more it will happen. There's been a few articles in the last year or so about it. Men are dedicating their time to themselves instead of to women and families.

[–]Rorkimaru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's pretty easy to sort out that situation. The men slow their work speed to the same or a slightly faster pace than the women's conveyer belt. If the manager complains he'll have to do it to the whole floor and if he calls the men out for slacking he better call out the women too since the men are still doing twice as much by running the belt on their own.

[–]1johnnight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In 19th century England women were often double the number of men employed in industry (textiles). There was no giggling, only backbreaking labor, being productive and making profits for the industrialist.

[–]SnoopKittyCat 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I like to play devil advocate: every single time I am at the grocery store and there is a man at the register, the line going noticeably slower. Women are always faster for some reason, maybe women are at the register more often and men do not stick around long enough, I don't know. I'm curious if I'm the only one to have notice that.

[–]Here2lrn[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Opposite in my experience. Men get the job done, women stand there talking.

[–]My_Dog_Jax 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What is the actual wage gap? Meaning for equal hours worked and in the same industry? I mean simply taking the total amount made by men vs women isn't the correct way to come up with that total. Women tend to go into fields with less pay, and tend to not advance as much due to having children, all of which are personal choices. So I ask again for equal work and equal time what is the gap of one does actually exist?

[–]cooltrip 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So basically your superiors were paying the bux to feminism

On the other side, female factory workers are not sexy to alpha.

[–]billthane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder how many feminists actually contemplate the reasoning behind these things? Threads like this are eye-opening if you have an open mind.