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[–]turbo_blender 72 points73 points  (65 children)

SHE IS THE WAY YOU MAKE HER. If you were a real man, she wouldn't be a cunt." Because you know, the fact she has daddy issues and feminism taught her that anything with a dick is a symbolic incarnation of Satan is irrelevant

I think this is partially true, I recently made a post where I claim that if all men on earth made an alliance, women would have no choice but to follow.

The responses I got made me think there are some serious fucking retards here. I got responses like "hey you beta, why do you wanna help betas - BE ALPHA!!!"

those fucking faggots don't understand that each beta is another supporter of feminism. That despised by super cool alpha dawgs beta is gonna most likely become white knight, serve dumb women and force laws which are threats to men. Who do you think introduced divorce rape or alimony law? White Knights did.

That's why I don't like the whole "MGTOW" thing. Men are going their own way separately while feminists are organized like ants and stick together, that allows them to exert pressure on lawmakers, politicians etc. Nobody's gonna care about one single dumb feminist cunt, she's not gonna hurt your reputation or do anything. But when there's massive support of a large crowd behind her, things can become very harsh for us.

I wish more people understood this.

[–]robotghow 62 points63 points  (31 children)

I once suggested that redpill could become a movement, and was downvoted to oblivion.

People here are guarding the redpill like we're the illuminati. They don't seem understand that if every guy in society was redpill, we'd all be better off. They don't seem to understand that if redpill is truth and reality, then it will stay true even under public scrutiny.

[–]brotherjustincrowe 54 points55 points  (26 children)

That's why this "Enjoy the Decline" shit bothers me so much. Really? That's what a man does? In the face of adversity, we all throw up our hands and go "oh well, nothing we can do about it, life sucks, might as well just try and keep my dick slick." Bull-fucking-shit.

If all we were supposed to be doing with our lives was P&D every slut higher than a 6, /r/RedPillParenting and other related subs wouldn't exist. Weak men cry about the state of the world, strong men fucking fix it.

[–]frequentlywrong 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Weak men cry about the state of the world, strong men fucking fix it.

Google "fate of empires pdf" and read it. If you think you can fix the world you have seen too many movies.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's why this "Enjoy the Decline" shit bothers me so much. Really? That's what a man does? In the face of adversity, we all throw up our hands and go "oh well, nothing we can do about it, life sucks, might as well just try and keep my dick slick." Bull-fucking-shit.

Collapse is where men are made, not trying to polish a turd of 'success'.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I did my part to fix it. I warn young guys about shit and hope they don't make the same mistakes I did. Other than that, fuck em. Fuck the world, the feminists, and everyone else. I'm not fixing anything, I'm going to enjoy my time left, and most of it will be alone because wome simply aren't worth it. Have more enjoyable things to do than deal with them.

[–]16 Endorsed Contributorss_camaro 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Agreed.

The only thing that will change women is propaganda and the legal system. Maybe we can get a Kickstarter project off the ground until we are shut down by the legal system (repeat).

[–]justmanthings 1 point2 points  (0 children)

War. Bloody, horrific war. That will change women too. And men.

I think everyone here should watch Fury.

[–]ShinyBrah 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I disagree, we need a crash. When society is in ashes, it can rise like a Phoenix an be reborn anew.

Sometimes a house can't be rebuilt, it needs to be torn down and built on a stronger foundation, with better materials.

[–]mega_beta 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If there's a big war, maybe then we can see who the true alphas are. /s

[–]ubercoolhipsterguy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Agreed. A little darwinism would solve a lot of the problems TRP identifies. You can't be a spoiled bitch or a pussy male if you've got real issues to deal with.

[–]justmanthings 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Such are the problems of absurd resource surpluses. Thanks oil.

[–]ubercoolhipsterguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's weird that we have to artificially create near- and post-apocalyptic scenarios in video games and movies to get the same rush when most of our anscestors lived that way.

[–]pursuitofman 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Now is not the right time to fix things, the world is not ready for a change. Too many powerful people have invested too much money and time into developing our current system. Sometimes it's better to let the sickness run its course, then rebuild.

[–]brotherjustincrowe 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I'm not an anthropologist so I really just skimmed Wikipedia with regards to Briffault's Law. But from what I gathered, the fathers in subsistence level hunter/gatherer tribes had less responsibility to the children than the maternal uncle. I love my goofy-ass beta brother in law but I don't see him keeping my niece away from the iPhone-addicted, carousel riding slutbuckets. This is just one of the things I need to do to step up as a man.

We won't fix society overnight, but we can make small changes in the communities we live in. Even if ninety-nine out of a hundred girls we meet are so eager to play penis pogo around the bars in town, the hundredth ought to get a chance - a P&D of the rare girl with RP upbringing would just turn out another skank and future embittered man-hating cat lady. I'm not saying put a ring on it, but we can definitely do better than taking a piss in an ocean of piss.

[–]TheSKSpecial 6 points7 points  (7 children)

I'm pretty sure the "enjoy the decline" dudes aren't crying about the state of the world, they're out there making the most of it.

[–]brotherjustincrowe 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Which is all fine and dandy now, but definitely seems to augur problems farther down the road in a decade or two.

[–]TheSKSpecial 12 points13 points  (4 children)

The problems are here now. The "stop women in the west from riding the CC and become good wives and mothers" horse left the barn a long time ago.

Bringing redpill to the masses isn't going to fix society because every man can't be the "alpha" and just like feminists can't force men to be attracted to tattooed hambeasts with rainbow hair, TRP can't force women to be attracted to omegas and beta orbiters. TRP is about dealing with what is, not what we wish it was.

[–]brotherjustincrowe 7 points8 points  (3 children)

You misunderstand. We can definitely prevent our younger sisters/cousins, nieces, daughters etc. from losing their virginity at 13 and becoming used-up cocksleeves before they're legal to drink. It's a bit of progress, little by little. A lot of the problem boils down to lack of strong male leadership (demonization of "patriarchy") and emasculation of Western men.

[–]Kaelteth 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I hear what you're saying man, its just...I see NO hope.

I mean seriously, if you want to have the best feelz you can, what message are you going to listen to:

  1. You go girl! Anyone that would dare to question/criticize how you live your life is just a shaming creeper! You da woman!!!

  2. You know, you need to be careful and realize that there are consequences to your actions.

Its not that the world is lost either. One of the comments I despise the most here is the occasional asshole that can't accept there are women out there that are unicorns. They're fucking rare, because they are specifically a product of a close fatherly relationship with a red pill father. And even then....even if you do this job perfectly....well - All Women Are Capable Of That, the big brother to AWALT. Even if you do your job perfectly, even if you get them to realize that there are consequences, all it takes is one moment of feelz for the walls to come crashing down.

I have two daughters. I'm close with both of them. My eldest - she gets it. She knows that a nigh-n will limit her future, and she lives accordingly. The guy in her life is not the highest SMV that she's capable of by any stretch, but he's also a decent and strong guy. They have fucked, and that made her n=1. My younger daughter also been taught the same, but definitely hasn't bought it. She's had a few orbiters around, and the only reason she's not riding the cc is she hasn't found anyone she considered worthy (and before anyone calls bullshit, we honestly DO talk about everything and she wouldn't bother lying about sex since she hasn't lied about any other activities she's done). She's heard the message, been shown the examples, but she won't buy the message because feelz.

tl;dr It takes a perfect storm to raise a red-pill woman, and even when you do there's no guarantee it sticks

[–]Brandwein 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Case and point. If you dont start now, you will never. We can at any point in time be a good example for children. Its not about changing the sick society in the now, but about laying the foundations for a better future.

[–]rpkarma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure. But to do so, to build up masculinity as a force in society is to put at risk my entire empire that I've built in my life; the feminists have won already. I can and will do my part in the small ways that I can in my life, but anything more than that is too large a risk now. It's closing the barn door when the horse has already found a new group of wild horses to live with.

[–]RPSigmaStigma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself" -Rumi

I see both sides of it. On the one hand, you have to do more than complain and "fight the power", but on the other hand, something's gotta give. I say do both. Learn to work within the system for yourself and your life, but also work to fix the system for your brothers and our society.

[–]Anderfail 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you see these billions of dollars just lying around? No? Well then perhaps it's not as simple as you think. Trying to push back against a machine that has trillions in assets is futile, it literally can't be done. Am I saying we are fucked? More or less yes, there is not a goddamn thing the average man can do to fix these issues because the cultural inertia and the money backing it is way too high.

[–]phx-au -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I'm not planning on having kids or getting married. What benefit would changing things offer me?

Right now I can play the non judgmental card and get crazy slutty action, because women know they can do this and still fund someone to support them post wall.

Shit might be bad for society, but its good for me.

[–]Ibex3D 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Because we need to be better. Gandhi didn't do it for himself. Dr. King didn't do it for himself. It's time we step up be something better. The alpha is the leader. A true and great leader loves his people like his children. It's time we step up and fix the world. I'm more up in arms about the garner case and the blatant misandry I see every day in my uni department, but it's all the same. We got complacent as a society. That can't happen because society will collapse. And we should care because we owe it to our future generations to leave them something great.

[–]phx-au -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Don't give me that redefining what a real man is shaming garbage.

This is about strategy, not deliberately white knighting around so you can have the stable marriage you've always dreamed of. I owe you nothing, and would happily fuck your wife if she was down for it.

[–]billsmashole 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah if we united all men, we could turn the tables and make women better themselves for our approval. Seems like they have all the power if we have to constantly work at bettering ourselves to be with them. Although I'm not saying we shouldn't better ourselves- let's do it for ourselves and make women better themselves as well.

[–]Crushinated -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Go to /r/mensrights if you want a fucking movement, that is not what this place is about

[–]robotghow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's not the kind of movement I want. men's rights is about demanding things, which obviously isn't working because no one gives a shit about what men want.

[–]daknight -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Woah woah... Easy there fella with the "truth" and "reality" stuff... Last time this crazy cunt with a half-@$$ mustache spouted that shit and things didn't work out so well for the world for the next decade or two.

Separation or segregation are NOT the answer. This problem would need to be solved TOGETHER, the root is the poisoning at young ages on both sides. Instead, we should start education at a young age to teach the next generation (our kids) so they don't grow up with trust issues, or uber-shyness or the like.

*puts on asbestos suit, and stands behind fire-stand

[–]theozoph 12 points13 points  (16 children)

That's why I don't like the whole "MGTOW" thing. Men are going their own way separately while feminists are organized like ants and stick together, that allows them to exert pressure on lawmakers, politicians etc.

But once you say "perhaps some form of organisation and political action could help us", people tell you not to be a whiny MRA, that they're all bitches and faggots who suck feminist dick, or some other variation of "I can't stand MRA's".

Guys, you can't have it both ways : either the sorry state of society is something you care about and want to change, or you keep ranting on the internet about bitches and do nothing.

There's a need for an anti-liberal political movement that would respect and encourage masculinity and provide a true criticism of feminism, liberalism and Cultural Marxism, and TRP is not that. Ranting about the dismal behavior of women (and men) without attacking the political culture which encourages such attitudes is not productive. The MRM might have a strong contingent of liberals who try to push a "masculinity is hard and I shouldn't have to conform to it! I'm a victim too!" discourse, but as more and more Red Pill men give up and let them own it, we perpetuate our own problems. And berating women isn't going to change that.

Alphas clean up in this feminist culture by soaking up all the free pussy while providing nothing in return, so of course following RP advice is going to enhance your own situation in the short term, but if that's all you do, we all lose in the end. As quality women become ever more rare, and betas ever more bitter and impotent, the field becomes ripe for feminist supremacy, and our own political powerlessness ever more certain.

TRP is only one half of the solution, as it focuses on our personal well-being, but if we desert the political field to rant about sluts and disloyal bitches, ultimately we're digging our own graves.

We need to be smarter than that.

[–]Brandwein 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Ranting on the internet influences the debate though. Need a steady flow of opinion-pieces to build a worldview. Not everyone has the time and skill for efficient activism. We should encourage debate instead of saying "dont just talk".

[–]theozoph 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ranting on the internet influences the debate though.

It has to be an intelligent debate. Saying "women are cunts who destroy society" is not an intelligent position, and it only serves to open you to accusations of misogyny and sexism.

There is a wider argument to be made about the exploitation of sexuality by liberalism, its destruction of the familial unit and of the bond between men and women, that the lifestyle it promotes only serves to create lonely and damaged middle-aged women with 3-digit numbers and nothing to show for it, when the more traditional woman at her age is stable, happy and surrounded by children and grandchildren, and so on.

We have to remember that men and women went along this insane program of erasing sexual differences, and that now that its results are so obviously dismal, we need to step back from the ideologies which encourage this insanity.

[–]Pubesauce 3 points4 points  (10 children)

The MRM might have a strong contingent of liberals

The majority of MRA's I've run into on Reddit are egalitarians with a strong liberal slant to their beliefs. Egalitarianism is very non-RP in my opinion. A significant part of "taking the red pill" is acknowledging unpleasant truths. One major unpleasant truth is that not all people are equal. This applies on an individual level as well as comparing different demographic groups such as gender and race.

If egalitarianism is not simply the belief that all people are equal, but rather that they should be treated as such by the law then I'd have to disagree with this as well. Take voting for instance. People who know nothing of history or how the political system functions shouldn't be able to vote. This would eliminate the overwhelming majority of women and apolitical men from taking part in molding our policies as a nation. As women gain more political power, the social environment of this country continues to change. The direction it is heading is not at all beneficial to men. We are seeing masculinity demonized and men in general increasingly marginalized.

Society is certainly ill, but egalitarianism is a part of the sickness. I occasionally will read MRM articles that interest me but the movement as a whole is a bunch of manginas. I say that not because they should "accept blame for women being cunts" but rather that there are some hard truths that many of them avoid or deny. One of those being that in order to have a functioning, healthy, growing, wholesome society, women cannot be viewed as equal to men or take on the same responsibilities as men. Politics has, with rare exception, been the domain of educated and/or great men, and allowing women to "have their say" only hastens our downward spiral into identity politics and oppression olympics.

[–]16 Endorsed Contributorss_camaro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is naive to think that political opposition movements will not be ideologically undermined by the ruling (totalitarian) parties. They prefer 'democracy' because they can stack the academy with their zealots, run TV and publishing and fund shill armies to push dumbass shit like 'egalitarianism'. Shills and useful-idiots carry the day.

[–]theozoph 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't disagree with you on any of the points you've made, but "the majority of MRA's [you]'ve run into on Reddit" is kind of a serious bias in selection.

Reddit is already 90% liberals, and our society is largely one giant progressive love fest, so no wonder the MRM (which itself was born out of the 60's feminist "men's movement") is still rife with the little buggers.

But the modern MRM has a definite anti-feminist slant, at least for now, and it would take very little to educate these people to the wider points you've made in your comment, if only we didn't as a whole shun politics so thoroughly in favor of empty bravado ("I'm Alpha, fuck Betas!").

The MRM is a starting place to educate MRA's about the contradictions and misdeeds of the liberal ideology, if only we don't let the mob outshout us.

[–]robotghow 3 points4 points  (3 children)

If egalitarianism is not simply the belief that all people are equal, but rather that they should be treated as such by the law then I'd have to disagree with this as well. Take voting for instance

The point of egalitarianism is equality in rights (freedom, speech, fair trial, etc.) and equality in opportunity (everyone can study and work in anything they want, without restrictions or special favors). What you're lamenting is that voting is a basic right, instead of something to be earned. I definitely agree with you that the voting process is broken, in that everyone has an equal vote. However, that's different from them having equal rights.

[–]Pubesauce -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Voting was simply an example. I do not believe in equal rights across the board either though. Some people are more valuable to society than others. This is how society views the situation now, whether or not it acknowledges it. A doctor who has spent 30 years performing life saving heart surgery is unlikely to get the same sentence for murdering someone as a lowlife highschool dropout crack dealer with a long list of prior convictions. Society silently accepts that the two should be treated differently, even if it is unwilling to admit it. I'm not saying that anyone should be above the law, but I do not believe that the worth of an individual should not be taken into account when evaluating their rights. For instance, you won't see me on the sidewalk crying for justice when another thug gets shot dead by the police.

[–]robotghow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You are again not talking about rights. A doctor may get a reduced sentence, but he'll be tried all the same. And still, this isn't about rights. Also no one really cries about thugs getting shot by police, the problem starts when it happens to regular people just trying to live their lives.

[–]Pubesauce -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're wanting to argue semantics for some reason. As far as the vernacular goes, whether you consider the usage to be correct or not, those are examples of rights. Anyways, not going to get into a nerd fight on the internet over the correct usage of a word. It has little to do with the main point of my post.

[–]Kaelteth 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I have to disagree with you on your opinion of egalitarianism as well, although I think you just have it turned a bit too.

Its a belief in equal opportunities with equal outcomes. Lets take your voting example - I agree with you that uninformed people shouldn't be able to vote. But any person who is willing to put in the work to be informed, and passes the exact same standard, becomes eligible to vote. Now, I think that this would cause more women than men to lose their ability to vote, but that doesn't preclude a woman from voting.

Take a comment I made a few weeks ago about differing standards for men and women in joining a fire department. Now, I don't believe that there shouldn't be women in the job. But that woman standing beside me better have to pass the same standards that I had to pass. Now, many women just aren't strong enough for that, and they would be limited from being in the fire department, but if they are capable they deserve the opportunity.

Egalitarianism benefits society because it treats everyone the same, and lets ability shine. If you're a worthless drain on society, man or woman, then you get treated like a worthless drain on society. If you are at the top of your game, man or woman, you get rewarded for it. If you want to blame someone for your lot in life, it gets revealed as bullshit because everyone has equal opportunity to rise up if the are capable.

Personally, I think that's RedPill as fuck - make everyone responsible for the outcome to their life.

[–]Pubesauce 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The issue with egalitarianism in general is that people who only advocate for equal application of the law while still acknowledging differences in gender and race are a tiny minority compared to the egalitarians who truly believe that we are all equal and would prove this to be true if only given a fair chance. It's become part of the politically correct, marxist doctrine.

Personally, I think that's RedPill as fuck - make everyone responsible for the outcome to their life.

I think that the "give everyone a chance" idea is a bit too altruistic. In the end it will lead to the ruination of the west. There is absolutely no reason why white males should simply cede power to any other group. Or even give another group the chance to attain that power. We do so to our own detriment.

[–]Kaelteth 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There is absolutely no reason why white males should simply cede power to any other group.

The problem is that ship has sailed. Its over.

The only hope is to make people responsible for their actions, and the best hope for that is to actually push true standards-apply-to-everyone equality like they say they want. That is the path to getting at least to a point where the smart and powerful rule.

[–]Pubesauce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The issue is that other groups don't play that way. Idealism, or at least in the egalitarian sense, is a thing peculiar to white men. These other groups are entirely about identity politics. Take a look at what has happened to South Africa and Zimbabwe. The entire political system centers around the drive to destroy the remnants of colonialism. The farm invasions and killings are celebrated by the blacks there because they see it as fair retribution for the past deeds of white men.

Other groups won't play fair. It is extremely naive of us to assume they will see the reasoning in egalitarianism simply because we do. They'll strive for power for their group to the detriment of ours, all the while we're still humming the tune of fairness and equality.

[–]foolery -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

I disagree that feminism is a liberal phenomenon. I think it's a result of liberal market capture of the most recent generation of youth--the psychologically conservative (which always ends up meaning anti-sex) contingent emerged from the woodwork, and because no one understood how to oppose them and because they used the power of the feminine to do it, they enjoy their day in the sun. Isn't "There's Nothing Wrong With Being (in this case masculine)" a decidedly liberal approach?

Anyway, the thing that makes me leery of MRA is actually the level to which women are instrumental in the movement. I mean, great, it's off the ground now and the argumentative groundwork has been laid, but the fact that the words that kicked it off had to be said by a woman suggests that the whole movement might have a good chance of not having any lasting impact, in which case why not focus my personal efforts on something with a more sure rate of return.

[–]theozoph 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I disagree that feminism is a liberal phenomenon.

It is, though. Feminism is a way to homogenize the market by erasing cultural and natural differences between the sexes. It creates a larger workforce and therefore a larger consumer's market, while bringing wages down. Just look at who funded this fringe ideology, and it's obvious that market forces have encouraged feminism at every turn, and that they've profited immensely from it.

why not focus my personal efforts on something with a more sure rate of return.

I'm saying the MRM is a good recruiting ground, but I agree that its focus is too narrow and that its reliance on women to make itself heard is a problem. I'm afraid to really impact policies in the larger sense we'll need a more comprehensive red pill movement. But in the short term, it could stem feminist groundbreaking advances into politics if properly supported and encouraged, and so it's an ally of convenience.

[–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A Redpill movement is political and social suicide at this point - I'm not saying don't do it - but how do you propose to get a generation of young, promising men to wager their futures on it?

[–]magus678 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I have also been down voted for suggesting RP could be more than pump and dump strategies.

Some of that is my fault; I took the RP crowd as being males seeking self actualization, but it isn't. It's just sexual strategy. Which is fine I guess, but it's kind of lazy.

I don't know if anyone here has touched Robert Moore, but what you are pining for is for RP to become men in the "King" phase, while most of the guys here only really want to stay in the "Lover" stage. And honestly, depending on the age makeup here, that might be appropriate for the sub. Perhaps an offshoot sub is necessary for people to "graduate" to? I don't know.

[–]13409852034 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Some of that is my fault; I took the RP crowd as being males seeking self actualization, but it isn't. It's just sexual strategy.

This is refreshing to read. I agree. I've been lurking since the sub was in the mid 30's, and it seems to me there are three types of readers here.

  1. Men who want become self-actulized, create their own world, and shape their own lives (through fitness, self-improvement, business, etc).
  2. Guys who are waking up to how women behave. They enjoy learning about this, mostly for the purpose of getting them into bed more easily, but also for navigating through the world more easily, too.
  3. Readers who enjoy pointing out how cruel or stupid women/society/beta men can be, and relishing in their comeuppance.

At first it seemed a lot more like categories 1 and 2. Now it seems like there's a lot of 3 floating in lately. It seems like TRP is becoming the new pickup community, or a dating advice community. That's fine, I guess, since it all falls under finding our place as men in the sexual marketplace.

What's odd to me is that it seems to be paired with an aggressively disparaging attitude towards men. Men who are labelled as "betas" are mocked. It makes me wonder if it's similar to the way people attack others to avoid attention on their own shortcomings, or to denigrate them in attempt to make themselves seem superior.

Look, we were all there at one point - or why else would we be here in the first place? I believe a true RP man is a leader. He helps his brothers and creates a better world for those in his circle. That creates a better world the RP man will benefit from in the end. Shaming betas, competing against them, is a waste of energy. It also looks insecure. Truly confident men are secure in themselves and their world, and don't need to attack others without provocation.

I also think anger towards women is natural, given our blue pill pasts. However, a large part of TRP is about acceptance. Holding onto that anger won't help you progress as a man. Neither will pointing out that they're sluts. Hey, I don't like their behaviour either. But it's like being angry that the sky's blue. Adapt and prosper instead.

So, yeah, an offshoot sub about the "King" phase would be fantastic.

[–]TakeYourSoma1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As autistic as they are, I like the "Iron Pill" comics from 4chan because they're about becoming MEN, not just Casanovas.

[–]robotghow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is more than one crowd in this subreddit that's approaching 90k users. We have many ages, many countries of origin, and many walks of life. Join the discussion and contribute your point of view.

I'm going to read about Robert Moore now, he sounds interesting.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Red Pill is truth, nothing else. What you do from there is up to you.

[–]Redpillc0re 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Men are going their own way separately while feminists are organized like ants and stick together

Stick together to what exactly? Dont be afraid, women didnt make this world. Only men can make and destroy it.

[–]BloodRoseTRP 7 points8 points  (1 child)

A society comprised solely of alphas will eventually fall apart. Someone needs to shovel the shit.

However, I do agree with your point that if everyone became aware or "unplugged" that society would be better off. But once again, that's idealistic and probably not realistic

[–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That doesn't mean that men shouldn't be the kings of their own castle, even if they live in a hovel.

[–]bgny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

MGTOW is a protest of non-participation. Men dropping out of the rat race, marriage, and the idea that there's nothing for a man but to become a wage slave, marry some post-feminism cunt, and having a bunch of rug rats, is a logical response to all that BS. The more men that drop out the more it will be asked why, and the more society will crumble without these men holding this poisonous society together anymore. Society might even change when it is shown that treating men like shit is not going to be tolerated and is detrimental to a functioning society.

Many men do not want to go MGTOW but are forced too as they wake up and realize this is not the same world as their grandparents. Most men want a good wife, and a good career, and to take care of a family that appreciates them. These dreams are being dashed and MGTOW is their battle-cry of defiance.

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    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

    Except black slaves didn't free shit, northern Whites did. Then the slaves just voluntarily became share croppers.

    [–]Pubesauce 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    Except black slaves didn't free shit, northern Whites did.

    This is all too often forgotten. Blacks were freed at the cost of hundreds of thousands of white men.

    The claim that (insert minority group) in (white nation) "won" their rights is absurd. Those groups complained and white men, who were politically dominant, granted them their new rights. And yet the oppression by those white men is never forgotten while their mercy is never mentioned. If white men had chosen to, they could have simply annihilated that group, but instead they allowed those other groups to be seen as equals with no foreseeable benefit to themselves.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    White men weren't one unified group. Northern Anglo Yankees felt different than Northern Irish, who felt different than Southern Gentry landowners, who felt different from the upcountry "crackers" aka Scots Irish. Abolitionists were largely New England moralists.

    Lincoln wanted to send their asses back to Liberia.

    [–]Pubesauce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    White men weren't one unified group.

    No shit, I never said they were.

    [–]fortifiedoranges 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    A little late, but fucking A+ post

    [–]Redpillc0re 37 points38 points  (5 children)

    You cant have a society full of alphas. Fuck somebody else's wife, both you and the wife go to the ground, that was the law of the past. Fuck whores, sluts, slaves etc, but don't mess with the fabric of society. If the society has given up all pretense of enforcing monogamy on both sexes, then there's no real reason for betas to pay taxes anymore. TRP at least makes it pretty clear to betas what kind of deal they are getting. As for alphas, they have to know that exploiting the system to their gain they are obviously fucking over everyone else.

    The solution? some sort of libertarianism. If betas cant get pussy, at least they can guard their belongings. Stop using 'what about the children' as a human shield to justify stealing from everyone else. The west has chosen the path away from the family unit. It's not "the man" who chose it, its us who prefer fucking around . I dont believe in reactionism. Feminism is here to stay and anti-feminism is here to stay too. The family is over.

    Lets make a pact, women dont get to say who is good and who is a better man, they just follow their hormonal pathways to fuck who they want. So alphas stop pretending they re the apex of society and betas accept it for what it is : you dont have much control over nature. If one wants to cross to the other side he can try (there s a cost and its not always possible).

    There are no "real victims" of feminism or anti-feminism in this world, just winners. Once you accept that and give up on the antiquated notions you grew up with it, it will feel a lot easier.

    [–]bobbatosakosanose 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Awesome post. Would like to add: A society full of alphas always results in population decline. And a more violent society in general. The population becomes too small to sustain a civilization. Beta bux is the engine of civilization. Beta males are the worker bees. Currently we are importing people from beta bux nations to make up for the population decline. Farming and the family unit are perhaps the building blocks of any civilization.

    Not all men can be alpha males in the strict sense (having real power or wealth). So the rest will act alpha or become violent to attain the wealth through coercive means. Either way it results in civilization decay.

    [–]vakerr -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Farming and the family unit are perhaps the building blocks of any civilization.

    Not perhaps. Family most certainly is. You can't find any long-lived civilization in history that wasn't built on traditional, monogamous families.

    Currently we are importing people from beta bux nations to make up for the population decline.

    This is not necessary. Increasing technology levels and automation are perfectly compatible with a shrinking population.

    Also there is at least one study claiming that those we're importing don't contribute more than what they cost in welfare when you account for their family and relatives.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Great fucking post dude.

    You cant have a society full of alphas. Fuck somebody else's wife, both you and the wife go to the ground, that was the law of the past. Fuck whores, sluts, slaves etc, but don't mess with the fabric of society. If the society has given up all pretense of enforcing monogamy on both sexes, then there's no real reason for betas to pay taxes anymore.

    I found to be particularly profound.

    [–]vakerr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I found to be particularly profound.

    You should come to visit the DE sub more often ;) This has been covered more than once.

    [–]vakerr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Instead of making the implicit assumption that such a society would be stable you need to think longer term, at least a few generations. Societies are sustainable only if there are sufficient number of children growing up to be constructive adults. Without family this won't happen, so such a society wouldn't be stable. This is the road to extinction.

    In practice your country/society will be taken over by people immune to the progressive memeplex/religion. They are immune most likely because they're infected by a stronger, non-extinction-promoting memeplex like Islam for example.

    [–]CrispoFTW22 12 points13 points  (4 children)

    Want to know a secret? Most that ideology comes from the random ass men who find this thread, subscribe, and think they're RP gold two weeks in. They post incorrect opinions and others agree with them because they don't know better. There's not enough of the old RP around anymore to correct everyone because the more RP you are, the less you want to be here.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 17 points18 points  (2 children)

    the more RP you are, the less you want to be here.

    I was with my buddy last night drinking whiskey and he was like "IM, TRP is shit now." He's red pill as fuck. I see where he's coming from. I see where you're coming from. I'm not giving up on this place though, it's not in my nature.

    [–]lordofthejelly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    the more RP you are, the less you want to be here.

    To me, that's a very short-sighted view...I think a lot of "older" TRPers have a short memory of what they themselves were like only a year or two ago.

    Yes, new guys can be annoying. But can you or anyone else claim to have been any different when you first found TRP? (the concept, not just the subreddit)

    [–]krakosia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Thanks for sticking around IllimitableMan. Your posts here and on your site are like lamps on the street showing the way forward

    [–]lordofthejelly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    There's not enough of the old RP around anymore to correct everyone

    So first, I would refer you to this XKCD.

    Next, go digging through the TRP archives, people were saying similar things when we hit every big-round-number subscriber milestone. 5K, 10K, 20K, 50K.

    We absorb a wave of new people, we get people to stop ranting and start reading the sidebar and lifting, and we get the front page back on track.

    A few months later, rinse and repeat.

    [–]Baylien2 35 points36 points  (0 children)

    Great post, we need to stop giving these women so much damn credit and stop tolerating their bullshit.

    Too many men who are naturally high status or guys that increase their SMV get lots of female attention then they go all "women love me bro...they're great...NAWALT...if you would stop being misogynist you will get pussy just like me...blah blah".

    Such fools lack the ability to stay true to the game. They get their dicks wet and they go no further. It's intellectual complacency, and they will learn sooner or later when they get screwed over because they neglected to remember their lessons.

    [–]BluepillProfessor 20 points21 points  (8 children)

    Holy shit, what a rant. Love your style IM!

    We tell dudes it is your fault/you can change it/ whatever for a good reason. You can't fix anybody else but you CAN fix yourself and how they respond to you. That part is your fault.

    However, you are right that some women are just cunts and no amount of game is going to turn her into a sweet, or even tolerable woman. In a marriage you have 2 choices, be in control and have lots of sex or give your wife control and have almost no sex. Well, I guess you actually have 3 because there is also Divorce/Cheating. However, which choice you make is largely up to you.

    According to the Bible, it is well known that God Almighty himself was unable to make a woman happy despite giving her, literally, the Garden of Eden. Women’s nature was made clear all the way back in Genesis, Chapter 3 but even more telling than the Biblical account was some early Jewish mysticism that almost, but not quite, made it into the Bible. The writings of the Talmud claim that Adam had a first wife before Eve. However, “Lilith” (who is mentioned several times in the actual Bible) was perhaps the first feminist. She refused to ‘lie beneath’ Adam. Long story, short, she demanded to be on top, to be in control, and apparently she wouldn’t let Adam have sex with her. What did the first human do? What did the perfect man created out of clay by God Almighty Himself do with a woman like that? What can any human do when confronted with this horror? Adam consigned her to the deepest reaches of Hell and chose a new woman. That would be, Eve.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    We tell dudes it is your fault/you can change it/ whatever for a good reason. You can't fix anybody else but you CAN fix yourself and how they respond to you. That part is your fault.

    Definitely, 100% agree.

    However, you are right that some women are just cunts and no amount of game is going to turn her into a sweet, or even tolerable woman. In a marriage you have 2 choices, be in control and have lots of sex or give your wife control and have almost no sex. Well, I guess you actually have 3 because there is also Divorce/Cheating. However, which choice you make is largely up to you.

    I'm only getting married if it's a political arrangement and I have a good way to hide assets.

    [–]1tombreck2 18 points19 points  (7 children)

    I live in the US and 'cunt' is literally the worst thing you can say to a woman but in the UK is it a more common insult?

    [–]puppet22 29 points30 points  (2 children)

    In Australia we call our mates 'cunt' and cunts 'mate'

    Example: 'My friend John is the maddest cunt ever'

    and "Listen here mate, back off before I fuck you up"

    [–]1tombreck2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    That's enlightening, thank you

    [–]BoyMeetsHarem 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    So when Paul Hogan says "G'day Mate" in Crocodile Dundee, he's really secretly calling everyone a cunt?

    Great movie, by the way. Also, I love Fosters, thanks for inventing it for us.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

    No it's pretty much guaranteed to ensure butthurt here too. I do think we use it a bit more liberally though than the americans, and I believe the aussies do too. I believe in calling a spade a spade and not "a device used to shovel shit." If she's a cunt, she's a cunt.

    [–]heist_of_saint_graft 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    In the UK you could call a guy who was being silly / a jerk "cunt", but you'd only really say that to a woman in the USA, so it's a more loaded "misogynist" word.

    [–]re-rebuild 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    In Australia, the word 'cunt' is used quit a bit - though it does hold more weight when used in anger against a women. Context is everything, but from my experience we use it more here compared to the UK and the USA.

    [–]getomc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I can say worse things but I like to think that I'm pretty creative.

    [–]Derjenige 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I don't think many people run tren alone brah

    I think a balance needs to be struck between adapting to thriving in the existing (changing) system, and pushing for change. Too far one way or the other and everything gets fucked.

    [–]redditor1618 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Anyone new here really needs to go and read "Woman: The Most Responsible Teenager In The House". And then go and read the collected works of Schopenhauer in German. :)

    [–]CheesyFedora 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    It's possible that this quote

    And we'll discover that the real victims of modern feminism are, of course, women themselves, who have been left lonelier and less satisfied than they have ever been.

    is the author's way of making the typical woman actually care about how she treats the average man like shit. Because let's face it. If the typical woman treats the average man like shit (which she does) then she won't give two shits about the content in the article unless she realizes that "she's actually the victim" since today's western women are basically professional victims.

    These women have no sense of agency and so the only way to hold them responsible for their actions is to give them the illusion that they end up being the victim in the end even if it's a result of their own actions. It's just a twisted way of finally making today's western women have some sense of agency. Honestly it probably won't work though due to their princess complex and their entitled attitudes.

    [–]Doctor_Mayhem 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I'd once again tell you how you're my new, number one favorite commenter on this, but GayLubeOil threatened to rape me.

    [–]bobbatosakosanose 3 points4 points  (4 children)

    Its another form of pussy begging. Conforming to women's fickle needs. These guys jump through hoops to get that validation. Until women do the same for men, I see it as supplication. Its always one sided. When someone like 50 Cent or Howard Stern does the same thing like worrying about what women might want instead of what he wants. Then I might consider this a sexual strategy. Its another form of slavery to me. Fuck what women want. We live in an age of porn and globally accessible prostitution with hotter than avg chicks. Yet men are jumping through more hoops than ever and basing their entire existence on what women want. Ive done the PUA thing, and that is what its all about. Pussy. Pussy is god. Im not Mgtow, but I like the fact that they disregard it and replace it with your own wants. And they dont tear each other down because of differences in pussy scoring. Redpill should be about men. Making things easier for men and figuring out best practices. Not looking at how far women have raised the bar and hoping to make it. We should be using out male brains to make things more efficient. Men realized long ago that Constant warring over pussy was not worth it. Thus we had civilization. If nothing else, stop male shaming. Do you see women on Jezebel shaming one another? Why should we?

    [–]brotherjustincrowe 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Erik "Mystery" von Markovik or whatever the hell his name is is nothing but an uppity bluepiller. I've known plenty of guys who chase pussy and manage to get respectable notch counts but are still beta as fuck. Seems like 90% of PUA shit boils down to "how to fake alpha traits" - why would you even bother if you can get them for real? There's a reason ROK says women always come secondary to your life.

    [–]bobbatosakosanose 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Yes. I wish I had read Rollo's blog instead of that mans bs. I dropped my grades in uni because I was out gaming every night.

    [–]TheSKSpecial -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    Men realized long ago that Constant warring over pussy was not worth it. Thus we had civilization.

    Men will never stop warring over pussy. Warring over pussy is part of what drives civilization, men competing to be the best, the brightest, the richest because that's what attracted women. As intelligent as we are, we're still animals with a drive to procreate. Is pussy "god"? No. But it is still pretty damn important.

    MGTOWs have their own hamster running, that of the "I couldn't get laid in a monkey whorehouse with a bag of bananas but I'm gonna tell myself it's because I'm doing what I want" variety. If being anti-social was attractive to women, 95% of the men in our society would be anti-social geeks and these "MGTOWs" would be in heaven with the amount of pussy they'd get. But it's not, so they'd rather hamster up their own failings as "doing what I want", not unlike the hambeast who thinks nobody wants her because "men are intimidated by her" and not because she's a fat horrible cunt.

    If nothing else, stop male shaming. Do you see women on Jezebel shaming one another?

    Yes. Yes you do. Bring up Sarah Palin or any women who doesn't toe the feminist line on Jezebel and watch the knives come out.

    Women shame the FUCK out of each other. Fat women shame skinny women. Ugly women shame pretty ones. Liberal women shame conservative ones. Feminists shame housewives. Traditional women shame sluts. You're male shaming all your own when you call men who get pussy "pussy beggars".

    [–]bobbatosakosanose 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    For all the flack mgtows get. I will say this: they are not contributing to the pussy price inflation. Wanna-be alphas and beta's are causing most of the havoc in the SMP by continuing to jump through ever increasing hoops for the same product. And driving fat and older women to think they are worth something in the SMP.

    [–]1NightwingTRP 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    It's such a head fuck that I understand why a lot of guys think "fuck this shit!" and look for escapes. I don't fucking blame 'em, they're doing what they perceive to be the rational thing, they just want to be happy. Most men are simple like that. They don't need all the head games and politics that comes with being in a relationship or even associating with women nowadays.

    This links on well with a point I've brought up a couple of times with people around here. On a base psychological level, our minds tend to take the path of least resistance. We alter behaviour when it becomes untenable to sustain a cognition any further. The way you drive a person's actions towards whatever you want is you just make it seem like a reasonable option. People find it hard to reconcile this with things like crime and people leaving the country to go fight for ISIS... but it's really not. Why do you think most crime and most criminals are found in the poor neighbourhoods? Because that's where there is an obvious lack of good quality future if you play by the law. By turning to crime, at least you've got an outside chance of becoming the godfather one day. It may not be great, but it's better than the alternative. Same goes for ISIS. Unlikely to earn much money and have a great life here? Well you can always radicalise and go fight a romanticised war for truth and honour in Syria. And again, it's shown here with the men who're checking out of society and not bothering with women anymore. They see they can't date a decent quality woman. If I can't even date a decent quality woman... who the fuck am I going to marry? The alternative life of video games, movies, porn and whatever bro-nights is quite obviously a much better option than what the alternative looks like. Path of least resistance guys. It's more frightening than we're willing to admit.

    [–]OKJaded 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I never subscribed to the "as a man, it's your fault she's a cunt IF she's a cunt mantra," and I never will. Some women are just fucking cunts, plain and simple, and you're an idiot if you think you can make poison drinkable, or tame the untameable serpent. It takes a whole fucking society to bring bitches in line, and society has failed all of us.

    You're almost there. Someone has to accept responsibility. If everyone shrugs their shoulders and says "wasn't me" we don't move forward. We need to accept that women are untameable serpents and act accordingly.

    If you take your pet cobra out of its cage and set it next to you on the couch to watch cartoons with you, you need to understand you will probably get bit. When you have a pet cobra you have the responsibility to get those thick gloves, that long snake stick, and make sure the lid is tight on its cage. Each time you take it out of its cage you are taking responsibility of its actions. If you don't want that responsibility don't get a fucking snake.

    Realize AF/BB for what it is. It's the survival tactic of our species that prioritizes the survival of superior genetic material. It's why we have been so successful. Through qualifying tests females segregate males into providers of genetic material or providers of material goods (the crossover is small enough we wont talk about it here). Markers of superior genetic heritage can quickly be visually identified. Physical prowess, genetic fortitude, and resistance to disease can be seen in physical fitness, shiny hair, clean skin. Mental and emotional capacity are quickly discerned from 'Shit Tests'.

    Learn to play the game. Even if you decide to not play its still going on all around you. If you don't play the game you are just automatically losing.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Someone has to accept responsibility.

    Of course. And I do. But I don't buy into the whole "it's your fault thing." See, I realise what you're saying, and you're right. But I don't actually believe in the bullshit myself. Behave how is needed, but think as you like. You tell a bitch it's not her fault so you can proceed, as you say. However there's a growing number of guys who actually believe in this bullshit. They're not "I know it's BS, but we need this BS to get shit done" they're more like "It is my fault, I AM THE MAN and if I WAS MORE OF A MAN, she wouldn't be a cunt." It's the hamstering that's retarded, not doing what women can't - taking responsibility for shit that ain't directly your fault that people beneath you have fucked up (a leadership trait.)

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      [–]jsalathe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It is a combination of things and I blame feminism for it all. Feminists demanded access to the workplace and capitalists saw that with increased competition for the same jobs (there are no more paying customers than before) they can pay less.

      It is a truly f*cked situation.

      [–]Doctor_Mayhem 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      You know what's funny? All these idiots who only talk of, "GYM AND TINDA 4 LYFE BRAH! SPIN MOAR PLATES BRO!" remind me of this...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZtH0jcQI_w

      Welcome to Le Chateau Autiste.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I couldn't stop laughing listening to that shit. It's a true work of art.

      [–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Great post, but I think we should address Milo's usage of the word "victim" here.

      And we'll discover that the real victims of modern feminism are, of course, women themselves, who have been left lonelier and less satisfied than they have ever been.

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/victim

      "A person who has been attacked, injured, robbed, or killed by someone else."

      If I cross the street without looking both ways and get hit by a car, am I a victim? Yes. It was my fault for not being careful, but I still fit the technical definition of the word "victim."

      Feminists have taken the word and given it a whole new meaning. If a feminist calls someone a "victim" of rape or abuse, there is an additional subtext that said victim is absolutely 0% responsible for any consequences that befell her, and fuck you if you try to suggest there was anything she could have done to prevent it.

      Milo's point here seems to be that feminism has created a sexual economy which sucks for everyone, including themselves. They're "victims" of the system they created, but he's still holding them responsible for creating it.

      Just a technicality. Carry on.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Milo's point here seems to be that feminism has created a sexual economy which sucks for everyone, including themselves. They're "victims" of the system they created, but he's still holding them responsible for creating it. Just a technicality. Carry on.

      I appreciate the attention to detail though, it is not something I had considered, so thank you.

      [–]TheSKSpecial 10 points11 points  (9 children)

      Here's the problem: you assign women the proper blame for their part in this fuckup. Okay, now what? They suddenly develop agency? They 'woman up' and tear down feminism? They're not going to take responsibility, they've never taken responsibility. What the fuck do you expect to happen next?

      [–]bobbatosakosanose 5 points6 points  (6 children)

      n responsibility. What the fuck do you expect to happen next?

      He was talking about how white knights, and alpha wannabe pussy beggars enable them by NOT calling women out. In the real world you cant not take responsibility for your actions and expect to get by in life. Women have the government and male enablers who are also responsible for the current condition by overlooking womens lack of agency. So calling them out is better than ignoring their flaws.

      [–]TheSKSpecial 2 points3 points  (5 children)

      And calling them out does...what? That's my point. They don't take responsibility or have agency anyway. They never have. So what is calling them out accomplishing?

      [–]bobbatosakosanose 2 points3 points  (4 children)

      you obviously have never been outside the West. A woman cant get away with all the crap in 3rd word. Women are risk adverse. If they know men are willing to overlook their stupid decisions like still have a mate after being a single mother. They will push the envelope. If fatties are still getting attention on Tinder, they will push for the hottest man they can get, thinking they are higher in SMV. It all results from letting women get away with shit.

      [–]TheSKSpecial 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      OK, so who's going to push this society to the point women can't get away with this crap anymore? Women damn sure aren't going to line up to do it. The onus is still on men to make the changes necessary.

      [–]bobbatosakosanose 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      s going to take this society to the poin

      Its better than ignoring it and putting men down. Its all unsustainable anyway. The safety net is based off impossible government debt burdens. Men cant find jobs, women cant find mates due to hypergamy. Just call it out. Women are wrong. Overlooking it wont make a difference either. Women over look (hamster) their mistakes and men do the same. Its not healthy for objectivity and exacerbates the pussy pass culture. Just saying.

      [–]TheSKSpecial 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      OK, so what's the problem with enjoying the decline if it's all unsustainable? What's the problem with the juice-brah smashing as much pussy as he can if everything's going to shit anyway? What is calling women out going to do if everything is already FUBAR?

      [–]bobbatosakosanose 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Some people might not want to add to the problem. And take on responsibility for women's decisions. If my current girl does something stupid. I'm going to call it out. And I'm not going to take on any of her debts. That's just from my own life. But I'm telling you its s blue pill mindset on a personal as well as macro level. If women don't take responsibility, by default men take it for them. And we are, by paying taxes to fund single mothers etc. Again that's just my 2 cents.

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        [–]TheSKSpecial 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Stop being emotional and think. I didn't even say he was wrong, I asked what he expects to happen next.

        Given what we already know about women, what is the point in blaming them for following their nature? What purpose does blaming them hold if when they don't take responsibility?

        [–]brotherjustincrowe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Supplicating beta enablers are basically the suck-awful parents who spoil their children rotten and then wonder why they turn out as such horrible brats. To keep up the Matrix analogy, anyone who isn't "unplugged" is potentially an "agent."

        [–]krakosia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        And we'll discover that the real victims of modern feminism are, of course, women themselves, who have been left lonelier and less satisfied than they have ever been.

        Just like the real victims of war are women - as wives and daughters they are left behind having to live their life after losing their loved ones - Hilary Clinton.

        [–]vkob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        As a tall, 28 yr old, handsome, well paid, high status white male, who happens to be bi-polar, I've noticed something... I'm dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde... When I'm not manic, I'm nice, kind and treat my g/fs very well. They end up cheating on me, leaving me etc. When I'm manic, I can fuck like a porn star and I don't give a fuck about what they think, I just do what I want and they stick to me like white on rice.

        It's an unfair mind fuck. You want to treat them well, but it diminishes your value, all the while they tell you they want a nice guy, but really they want the dick (see what I did there?).

        However, I see a lot, A LOT, of rage and bitter resentment here. This is the fucking world. The gender atmosphere is what it is. You're best to keep calm and figure out a way to make yourself happy but getting what you want out of life.

        As a really well off male, I got fucked over big time so I KNOW HOW RIDICULOUS THINGS CAN BE. But you'll never get anywhere by getting bitter and angry. You need to keep cool and figure out a way to get what you want or make peace with not having what you want. You have to be alpha braaaaaah... No trollin.

        [–]1whatsazipper 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Like many things in life, it's not our fault, but it is our problem. Any number of events can be dumped on us and although we had no part in their doing it's still on us to handle if we want some semblance of sanity.

        The case of women is particularly challenging because they defer to either strong leadership or herd consensus, and right now herd consensus says to be a self-destructive cunt. The only way to override this is through leadership, which ain't going to happen outside of the actions of individual men, and even then it's better to work with the least tainted or fucked up women to begin with. Let the others rot.

        [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Like many things in life, it's not our fault, but it is our problem. Any number of events can be dumped on us and although we had no part in their doing it's still on us to handle if we want some semblance of sanity.

        Agree 100%.

        The case of women is particularly challenging because they defer to either strong leadership or herd consensus, and right now herd consensus says to be a self-destructive cunt.

        Indeed it does, I particularly appreciate your use of the word cunt here. Gave me a chuckle.

        The only way to override this is through leadership, which ain't going to happen outside of the actions of individual men, and even then it's better to work with the least tainted or fucked up women to begin with. Let the others rot.

        Again, agree 100%. Great post dude.

        [–]AppleNewton 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        As someone who lifts 5 times a week, I say great post. There's a lot of gym rats that get a lot of pussy but they are totally controlled and used by women as tampons, they are not Alpha. Alpha is a behaviour, not a body type. Or should I say, it's a behaviour and mentality that will allow you to build your body, it's a behaviour + body. If someone Works out to get bigger arms strictly because he thinks that's what makes a pussy wet, not because he wants to get big arms for himself because he likes it, he's a mental slave and a Beta right off the bat. Work out to better yourself, because you like yourself, getting a lot of pussy is just one of the consequences of having a great body.

        [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Work out to better yourself, because you like yourself, getting a lot of pussy is just one of the consequences of having a great body.

        Exactly how I feel about the whole shit. Great post dude.

        [–]phillip42069 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        This was incredibly refreshing to read! Great post OP. The reminder that the poison of a woman's victim complex/hamster, and trying to make that poison drinkable, resonated with me. That's no bullshit and only a fool or blue piller would argue otherwise.

        [–]ShinyBrah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Like I asked before, where are you seriously meeting guys that lift and stand up for feminism/women? Most men lifted due to their bad experiences with them.

        I just see no point in fighting the system anymore, I'm just waiting for a crash. In the meantime, I stand alone, lift and will not commit. I see no point in helping WKs, most are genuinely shit people.

        [–]RPGoon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I agree with most of what you are saying but I think you have to read between the lines on these arguments. The reason they try to play women off as the major victim - even though I don't believe the one arguing that case believes it - is because women won't care otherwise. I mean lets face it, the majority of men aren't going to do jack shit about it. They are just trying to reframe it so that some women will take up the cause or at least let the minority of men have a larger unimpeded voice.

        [–]nallalalla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I see men in TRP doing that shit too "don't be mad at tuh womenz brah, u just bitter OK? I get LOADSA PUSSY, you gotta lift and man up brah, stop being bitter brah"

        Thanks for this; my first thought reading the post title was that I've seen a ton of this shit lately in TRP.

        [–]ValarMorghulis90 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        God this post was fucking amazing lol. He really gets it.

        [–]iopq 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        For some reason, there are a sub-section of men who want to go to bat for women, and the more pussy your typical man gets, the more he thinks "hey you know what, women are fine, I have great times with them, you must be the problem BRAAAAHHHH ain't nothing wrong with women BRAAAAAAAH you're the problem BRAAAAAAAAAAH."

        I've actually encountered the opposite. THE LESS guys get laid the more they whiteknight in hopes of getting some woman who feels sorry enough for them being "so nice" yet alone. The guys who have success with women get called out for being "mysoginists" or "chauvinists".

        [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Seems there is probably a happy medium, a habitable zone where there is no excess of pussy or lack of pussy to fuck with your judgement.

        [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Being called a misogynist or chauvinist isn't a big deal, and honestly in my experience should be taken as a positive.

        Most of the women who have called me a misogynist have then gone on to sleep with me.

        [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Watch what they do, ignore what they say and all that shit.

        [–]bamanpls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Awesome fucking angry rant! I honestly enjoyed reading it all. Spot on mate.

        [–]bama79rolltide 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I love when coaches keep it real and call out the players.

        [–]A-Red-Six 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        you're an idiot if you think you can make poison drinkable

        Pure gold, man.

        I believe in having "broad shoulders" so to speak, and taking responsibility for my own mistakes and shortcomings, but some things are just plain out of our control.

        [–]hohamocha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        yeah this is what I have seen too. Also, usually the jacked white knights are the ones who are in a LTR. Most of the people I see who do this are virgins who have no clue about the true nature of women, or guys who have only been in a few LTRs.

        But, the men who regularly spin plates and are also ripped and jacked know what women are truly like, since they have been with so many women an encounter them in the most personal of ways on a regular basis. Most of the steroid users I have come across have also acknowledged to me that most women are hypergamous and should not be trusted. They are also huge anti-feminists. ALso these same guys have been telling me of how marriage is a shit option for men now

        [–]R4F1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Men always want to go to bat for women, and that shit fucks me off. It must be genetic or some shit because I see men in TRP doing that shit too "don't be mad at tuh womenz brah, u just bitter OK? I get LOADSA PUSSY, you gotta lift and man up brah, stop being bitter brah" I get fucking tired of that retarded trite dumb testosterone monkeys spit. Fucking retards who lift a bit of metal and fuck a bit of pussy who are totally ignorant to what's going on, but think they're a boss because they can get laid and are constantly high on fucking TREN and a post workout buzz. Just because you lift and get laid, doesn't mean society isn't fucked up. Their opinions on life and women are basically some retarded flow chart...

        For some reason, there are a sub-section of men who want to go to bat for women, and the more pussy your typical man gets, the more he thinks "hey you know what, women are fine, I have great times with them, you must be the problem BRAAAAHHHH ain't nothing wrong with women BRAAAAAAAH you're the problem BRAAAAAAAAAAH." They don't wanna explore really what the fuck is up. It's just the guys fault. It's close-minded bullshit. Fuck exploring shit, and god forbid blaming a woman, they are poor innocent wittle victimz and as a man, it's all your fault if she's a cunt! The old hypoagent-hyperagent bait and switch gets annoying (men take blame for everything, women get blamed for nothing.)

        It's basically that Elitist/Uncle Tom/House-nigger mentality. Like when you see rappers throwing around illuminati signs. Just because you got some money and fame, or in this case got game with some women, doesn't mean shit. People like to think they're better than the rest, so they start posing.

        [–]in_da_tr33z 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Broham here really needs a pump right now.

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          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          This is a great post. It seems we are both much of the same mind. I found myself nodding along as I read each of your paragraphs. Great post.

          [–]AlchemyPhoenix 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          I think you'll find more synergy with your outlook with the MGTOW community. RP is about building self confidence, (yes) getting laid, and, very importantly, not spending our entire lives as pissed off as you currently are. Look at how much power you are giving women over you! There's fucking steam coming out of your ears! If you want to show women that you don't give a shit about them, stop letting them under your skin.

          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I think you'll find more synergy with your outlook with the MGTOW community.

          Yeah you're right. I like fucking with PUAs though, it's more fun. If I posted this in the MGTOW community, it'd be a circlejerk. There would be no controversiality and there would be nobody to call me a "whiny SJW" in the comments. Funny thing is, I know the people who hate me will still read my shit because the information is inherently valuable in and of itself. I'm fucking with them because I can and there's fuck all they can do about it. On the flip side, by causing conflict, I can inspire people/motivate them subliminally without letting them know explicitly that's what I'm trying to do. If someone knows what your intention is, they are more likely to resist it, so you must be underhand. Men can be stubborn, I can tell a guy to go monk mode all I like and he may not do it because he doesn't feel like it. If I make him feel something, he's more likely to go do monk mode. That's the kind of level I operate at. Everything is a game, as is how I choose to post on TRP, who I talk to, who I don't talk to etc. Its meta as fuck. I expect a lot of people sometimes think I'm two different people, they just don't understand what's going on. It serves me well. I'm Machiavellian, it's what we do.

          I'll end with a quote from Sun Tzu:

          "All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved."

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            [–]AlchemyPhoenix -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

            Dear god rp has filled up with pussies lately. Go bitch and whine with the MRAs, loser. This sub is for men who have money and sex and for men who have decided to stop feeling sorry for themselves and start on the road to getting them.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Male desperation enables female degeneracy, if we did not tolerate such behavior it would not exist. No amount of welfare can alleviate their innate psychological instability: only a strong, masculine figure can grant them serenity which is why women need men. We have the upper hand & succeed individually yet still manage to fail collectively.

            Men crave pussy but have the gift of being able to override our instincts. Due to our ancestor's mistakes we must now use that ability collectively to achieve what the socioeconomic system used to enforce intrinsically. We're in an age where the majority of men suffer consequences for actions of the lowest men, much like one bad poker player fucks up the game for an entire table: since you can't change desperate men you might as well just go lift, faggots.

            [–]FrameDestroyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Problem is you're WRONG buddy. Hating on the way things are - biologically and culturally - something you have negligible control over is just a SHITTY FRAME.

            The fact that you get so angsty and angry about it all makes it an even SHITTIER FRAME.

            It just broadcasts your own insecurities, just letting you know...

            There's no use being angry at reality, see things as they are, and then use it to your OWN advantage. pretty simple, GL if you take my advice and let go of the (sexual) frustration 😉

            [–]BrunoOh 0 points1 point  (5 children)

            I do think that in the end women are worse off.

            Men can live solitary much better than women can. Women need the dominance and rationality a man brings in their lives. We don't need what they can do that our buddies and sex bots/hookers can't: kids.

            [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 18 points19 points  (1 child)

            Of course they are worse off.

            But we have to be able to seperate men's and women's issues and not have this fucking "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WOMEN THOUGH, THEY HAVE IT WORSE!" rhetoric which seems to fucking invade and takeover any conversation about men's problems. Talk about it long enough and it always gets moved onto "how women have it worse, were historically oppressed and blah blah blah" the fucking narcissists. Again, this is why men's spaces are so important. If you have any gender-mixed space, it will invariably end up becoming all about the women and everyone will stop giving men the time of fucking day, including the men themselves. Sad as fuck that is. Most women are whiny self-centered brats. Most men are pussy begging white knights, whether it's a charmingly obnoxious guido or a big bang theory type beta faggot.

            I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm a man, I relate to men, I give a fuck about men and I relate to their problems. I understand men, I want to help men. When you help men, they are so fucking grateful. Why? Because they are used to doing everything alone, the sheer fact someone has shown genuine human kindness to a man means a lot to a man. Men are used to being mentally lonely, men are used to having their wants ignored. Most men are deprived of any sufficient human kindness, our society diverts all that shit towards women. As a result of that, it is my belief that men have a capacity for appreciation well beyond that of women's. Men are like dogs. You treat them well, you help them help themselves, and they treat you like royalty. They will enter a bar fight with you and go down swinging. Men have gratitude, they will put themselves out for you if you put yourself out for them. There is nothing but respect. You see them make huge gains, you seem them evolve into competent, confident, effective individuals. And It is rewarding as fuck. It feels worth it. Women aren't like that though, which is why they don't seem worth it to me.

            Women, I understand, but I don't like what I've discovered and I don't enjoy sparring with the hamster constantly. It gets in the way of progress. I don't really give a fuck about women's problems. I don't need to, seeing as everybody else is so busy doing it I'm sure my lack of fucks given for women's problems won't make any real difference. Men need me more, and I am better equipped to help them, so that's where I put my attentions. I don't want to help women (in general, I can make time for specific women) but generally I don't think women can be fixed. Women are not autonomous, they need constant guidance and feedback. They are not natural leaders and they are not built for independence, they seek consensus and conformity. Most of their so-called independence today is a scam, a farce, it's wealth redistribution, quotas and other bullshit, nothing's really changed beneath the superficial veneer. I want to make leaders, I don't want to waste my time helping sheep be better sheep (which is what women are, essentially - sheep.) You should give no fuck about women outside your immediate inner circle. It's not my place to go all captain save-a-hoe and go around with a futile fixation to fix bitches, those kinda problems are for their more than willing daddies and boyfriends to deal with, not me.

            Feminism has given them a need to feel like they're independent in spite of their 'get along gang' instincts. What a head fuck. It's not bullshit I wish to entertain. Women are women and always have been, I accept them for what they are, I just don't like what that is. With the blinkers off, you see they're not really anything special. Women are like cats. When you help women, they act like they are entitled to your help. That it is "your job" to help them. That you're doing what's expected and you shouldn't deserve a fucking reward for doing "what is normal" anyway. Why is it like that? Because they have spent their whole fucking lives being helped. If we reframe that, they have cried their eyes out and whined their whole lives and like a baby that can't feed itself their needs have been attended to in response. Bitches love playing the victim because it gets them what they want in life. When men try the same shit, people laugh in their face. Showing women compassion has you treated like you're just another idiot helping them get what they want momentarily, before they quickly become dissatisfied again as their contemporary wants evolve into some other random arbitrary bullshit. They are bratty and unappreciative. I like a little fucking gratitude when I put myself out for people. They have a concept of appreciation so limited they may as well be incapable of it. They don't respect kindness, they see it as weakness. Helping women is not rewarding or interesting to me, so I don't do it unless I like a specific woman.

            You can fix a man, but you can't fix a woman. Women are inherently broken (too illogical, too easily influenced,) so all you can do is stop them becoming even more broken. I'm not interested in damage control, I'm interested in success. That's what I think, that's how I feel. My inner white knight died a long time ago. If she's not my mother, I couldn't give a fuck.

            [–]football1010 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

            We don't need what they can do our buddies and sex bots/hookers can't: kids.

            What ? Bro you need to re-write this so it is more coherent, and understandable.

            [–]TheAssh0le 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            The only thing they can provide that our buddies and hookers can't is kids, and we don't need those.*

            [–]forgetful_storytellr 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            You're upset - clearly. You are ranting on an internet forum.

            Ask yourself this: what can you really do about this?

            The answer is virtually nothing. The one thing you can do, however, is control yourself, and your own actions. Whining like a bitch isn't going to solve the societal issues you so despise.

            I recommend you worry more about yourself-- don't worry about what you cannot change. These are external actors that will not listen to logic or reason.

            You're right, people are stupid. Use that to your advantage, rather than wishing everyone were as 'enlightened' as you.

            You may just end up a little less bitter in the process.

            [–]Labore_Et_Constantia 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            Lol please, he's a writer expressing himself, I highly doubt he "cares" in the sense that he is SO far removed from these things effecting him (due to his superior knowledge) that he ONLY even writes about them to help out other struggling/newly unplugged men.

            [–]Human_v2 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

            This has to be one of the most pathetic things I've seen you write. It's the normal posturing of someone who doesn't have their shit together.

            People who are bigger than me and are fucking more girls? They're stupid idiots and aren't really men.

            I get the idea, society is going down the shitter and men are enabling it but it has always been like this in TRP. It has never really been about whining about society, only how to function in the mess.

            The reason this shit resonates with so many people is it allows others who aren't coping to have an outlet and someone to blame for their misery. I get it, honestly I do, I'm just an average guy and I feel the same pains but this post is genuinely nothing but whining over your inability to cope in the harsh environment when others are.

            There's a reason you conspicuously didn't respond to GLO's post in your last comment thread and it's because you're writing weak minded shit that resonates with and comforts others.

            In fact in writing that I start to suspect it's purely marketing for your blog and to resonate with the greatest number possible. I can't really fault you for that, it's just a shame everyone laps up this bullshit.

            [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            The reason this shit resonates with so many people is it allows others who aren't coping to have an outlet and someone to blame for their misery.

            Yes. The anger phase. An important phase of going through the stages of TRP that everyone who took the pill say a year ago or two ago has kindly and conveniently forgotten. None of the shit in that article really affects me, but I do sympathise with those kind of guys, so I don't mind being a mouthpiece for 'em. I've known guys in that situation. It's something of a psychological prison, everything TRP isn't. If standing up for them makes me a "whiny SJW" then fuck it, I don't give a shit.

            There's a reason you conspicuously didn't respond

            I don't owe anyone my opinion or a reply. If you value my opinion, then you are privileged to receive it when you ask for it. If I ignore you? Tough. The world don't owe you shit. I don't owe you shit. This is an open forum. You have the right to say whatever you like to me, be as disrespectful as you like, by all means, feel free to get whatever it is off your chest - but likewise I am free to be completely unreactive and pretend you don't exist. You only look butthurt if that bothers you, so you lose. That's the beauty of freedom of expression, you can choose not to express, or express on your own terms. A very valuable aspect of being masculine that many have not mastered in their journey as of yet.

            Something of a tangent: I know when people reacted to this post out of emotion: they got so overwhelmed they couldn't make the distinction between "gym rat culture" and "lifting." In fact, they concentrated on the tone and that specific attack on people who have what I consider a narrow view of masculinity. They also overlooked the much more major logical point, the reasoning, rather than the tone: men take blame for shit that ain't their fault. People blame men for shit 200% that is only half their fault. That's just how it is. Uncomfortable truth you wanna silence by calling it whining? Cool, I don't care.

            I lift but I'm not a gym rat. Lifting culture is obnoxious as fuck. You can lift but you don't need to be a huge fucking narc letting the world know about how superior you are. Nobody gives a fuck, and that's something of an ironic statement coming from a guy who writes about DT things such as narcissism.

            Every man should lift, there's no excuse not to. The commenters who got so butthurt (there were a few, and I anticipated them) that I'm "jealous of guys who lift" totally missed the point. And that's because they're so upset they can't see the difference between lifting for your physical/mental health, and the obnoxious jersey shore type bullshit culture that turns off so many guys from lifting who could benefit from lifting in the first place.

            Note how not once do I say lifting is a bad thing. You know why? Because I don't believe in that shit, butthurt people be distorting the message through their interpretation. Such is life.

            In fact in writing that I start to suspect it's purely marketing for your blog and to resonate with the greatest number possible. I can't really fault you for that, it's just a shame everyone laps up this bullshit.

            Nah I got next to fuck all views from this post and actually I risk alienating people who read my shit purely because it is informational and contains none of this theatrical bullshit. But as for "people lap up this bullshit" yes, yes they do, don't hate the player, hate the game.

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              [–]smokingmonkey420 2 points3 points  (4 children)

              You don't get it. Bro it's like you didn't even read a word that he wrote. It's not just about getting laid. Unlike other guys, I come from a strong family. Several aunts and uncles who had kids and stayed together their whole lives. This doesn't happen anymore because of the bullshit Illimitable Man is talking about.

              I'll agree that men let it come to this and women are basically like children, but under the law (which is what really matters) they are equal citizens. Up is down in the world today and you need to see it as such.

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                [–]sunwukong15 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                I honestly think you are right. The OP is being contradictory.

                This sub reddit was made to teach men sexual strategy.

                [–]bobbatosakosanose -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                And how would that be different from pua? Do you really need to know all the stuff in the sidebar which deals with society at large to get laid? Wouldn't a book by Tyler durden suffice? Getting laid comes down to LMS and your SMV. As you can see we go way beyond that here. We are talking about marriage, children , government, laws , economy etc.

                [–]sunwukong15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I see it more as an attempt to educate men that the traditional family model is broken and that to pursue it, is to pursue your own suffering.

                Its there to educate, which is good to know. I don't engage in casual sex though, I am here because I have always wanted to get married and have a family but that aspiration has been ripped away from me. I am here to learn how this fucked up society ticks and how to live a happy life.

                I disagree with the OP because putting responsibility on women is pointless. It gets nowhere. AWALT. The only solution is widespread collective slut shaming being reingrained into our culture.

                This is the end goal of blaming the men for women being cunts.

                [–]bobbatosakosanose 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                You are thinking PUA. Redpill is ALL about men and the society in which they live. The problem is the State is making it harder for men. Its not natural and based off unsustainable debt passed on to our future children. Beta bux was a viable strategy for centuries because there was less thirst and no social safety net. You should stick to the PUA stuff. I came here to learn about Gender and society from a red pill POV. Many of us grew up in fatherless homes and we are trying to figure out wtf happened? There is more to being a man then getting laid.

                You ever wonder why most Mgtows are black and white? Ever wonder why PUA is not as prevalent in Asia? Because Beta Bux still works there. The government is not Anti male.

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                  [–]bobbatosakosanose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Well you can choose to focus on topics dealing with LMS. I'm here to know more about marriage/LTR, and the viability of having children here. So posts like the OP certainly add value.