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[–]CrimsonTideCosby 17 points18 points  (4 children)

I think a good analogy for sex using up women the more they have it would be scoring in basketball vs soccer.

In basketball, scoring happens about every 15 seconds or so throughout a 48 minute game and is very easy to do relative to other sports (especially soccer) which cheapens the value of each score. If you look at NBA vs NCAA, scoring happens much less in NCAA basketball and therefore each made basket is that much more important. In soccer, scoring happens very seldom and is very difficult to do, if at all, therefore making each score vastly important.

If you apply that thinking to a woman's sex life, lots of easy sex makes each encounter less and less important and serves to desensitize the woman to the act of incredible intimacy that is intercourse. On the other hand however, sex with few partners that requires work to achieve makes those few encounters very special and serves to illustrate the importance and gravity of a woman's decision to have sex.

Just in my own experience watching basketball and soccer, I only get somewhat excited and interested in a basketball game (that I have no personal stake in) when players score in the last five minutes when the game is on the line. However when someone scores in soccer, I always lose my mind and get much more excited than even when someone hits a buzzer beater to win the game. And I don't even have a favorite soccer team.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yes this is a great analogy. Very elucidating. Thanks.

[–]CrimsonTideCosby 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Thank you. Means a lot coming from you. I really enjoy your posts. I'm one of these "I suspected all this stuff before RP but couldn't articulate it" new guys.

[–]2 Mredpillschool 112 points113 points  (88 children)

Women bond to men through sex. Men bond through physical and emotional sacrifice. Women are used up by sex in a way men aren't. I've always inherently known this. I find it shocking that so many women aren't privy to this. To me it seems more likely that they are, but simply don't care and think they can lie their way to where they want to be. The thing is, as you say, they never truly win, something always feels missing to them and it's because they've fucked themselves up and their ability to pair bond by riding the carousel so hard. They're chasing a sense of closeness and connection that they can no longer achieve. They have become too desensitised to men, love and sex. They are in a way, soulless, damaged, self-condemned, incapable of the kind of love that fosters happy, lasting monogamy.

This is one of those fundamental truths that women and the sjw crowd will do their best to deny. And if you listen to their argument it's pretty convincing. We're all the same afterall. What nonsense it is to consider that sex would affect women differently than men.

But then you witness it, and you realize the truth. There's a glimmer in women's eyes that they lose, there's real truth to that element women lose.

[–]projectself 135 points136 points  (11 children)

There's a glimmer in women's eyes that they lose

That look is called the "thousand cock stare"

[–]MildlyFunnyUsername 18 points19 points  (9 children)

thats the best laugh ive had on trp for a while bravo

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 37 points38 points  (8 children)

[–]HV123 7 points8 points  (0 children)

https://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/ga13.jpg?w=500

There's a nice little gem in there in the comment:
Please bring reference and last three pay slips........

[–]ROIVeritas 3 points4 points  (2 children)

The first link is literally 90% of the women I've seen in the last few years at work, the gym, etc. They just put on hipster glasses to hide the lackluster in their eyes and to seem ahem, "sophisticated".

The ones without makeup have given up trying not to look cock crosseyed, the ones who wear the makeup think mascara hides it better.

Especially when guys are like what's with the duck face in every pic?

Most can't help it, they slobbed so many johns that their lips are permanently just like that, just less exaggerated when relaxed.

Women like them end up with a face that has a strong masculine brow, a boxers jaw from too many "punches" to the dome, and big poofy lips, that albeit attractive and feminine, have tasted as much meat as a carnivore.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Haha this made me laugh. Great imagery.

[–]ROIVeritas 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks, my pals and I would joke about this all the time. Women can't hide that look anymore than a smoker can hide the odor. Thousand cock stare all right, its gone from full metal jacket, to full whorish racket.

Except the ladies aren't wearing helmets with peace signs on their heads, now some of them are just "born to kill"

[–]houseQM 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Kim K. Is a fembot. She doesn't count

[–]loveofnotes 15 points16 points  (30 children)

Please clear this up for me: men don't bond through sex? Doesn't pair bonding through sex have an effect on both genders?

[–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Everyone is on a continuum... Women generally happen to be deeper into the pair bonding through sex spectrum. Not to say men aren't, just that women are more so.

You ever read that study that showed it takes 3 times at sex for a female to create a chemical bond with that partner? It doesn't happen as easily with men, probably because inherently we are promiscuous.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 26 points27 points  (3 children)

It doesn't happen as easily with men, probably because inherently we are promiscuous.

I would suggest that it is because primitive man's life was rough, brutal and short and the number of opportunities for procreation were few and far between so he had to be prepared at a moments notice to drill pussy and bust a nut if he was going to leave his little bit of immortality behind.

So pair bonding for a man is generally negative for procreative purposes. Sure men do get attached to women they fuck repeatedly which is why Marriage 1.0 was such a good deal for men and women alike.

Anyways I read a study somewhere that men when they are in a monogamous relationship and not cheating their bodies actually conserve energy and they don't produce nearly as much sperm or ejaculate as much. When a man is banging a new sex partner his balls go into overdrive and he creates more sperm and cums more... Now if you have a bunch of plates like TRP dudes typically do then it sort of tricks your body into thinking every girl is a new girl as long as you keep rotating which ones you are banging at any given time.

[–]2Kill_Your_Ego 45 points46 points  (23 children)

One known reason for pair bonding to occur is oxytocin dumps that occur after sex. Testosterone impairs oxytocin. I'm not as versed in the effects of dopamine or how dopamine relates to pair bonding. Testosterone appears to lessen the effects of oxytocin on the OXTR receptors hence multiple sex partners won't risk as much damage to the receptors, and damage pair bonding ability in men, due to the massive amounts of test.

[–]NoRegretj 51 points52 points  (2 children)

You could wreak havoc on college campuses by saying this in a class debate.

[–]Thewinsomeserpent 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Of course, thats why its said here, in TRP.

[–]-Tyler_Durden- 28 points29 points  (5 children)

I wonder if this is the reason that low T, effeminate men get oneitis more often.

[–]dclozr 13 points14 points  (2 children)

It's 100 percent true when I had low t I was much more willing to fall for a dumb bitch.

[–]epUser 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What do you did to raise you testosterone and how do you measure it?

[–]dclozr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I did these things and continue to do these things to raise testosterone...nofap(I only cum with my gf), gym heavy weight lifting, a fat and protein rich diet, and getting plenty of sleep.

[–]evergonitenitenigga 13 points14 points  (1 child)

this is why most of the time, we men just like to be left alone after cumming. gf, wife or plate it doesn't matter.

[–]ROIVeritas 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Post coitus?

Sportscenter, the game, maybe a cigarette, bounce or pass out.

Had a girl ask after several sessions with her, even when I was a rookie to all this in HS, and she goes "Why do you guys always fall asleep after sex?"

To which I replied: " Because it's HARD work! You just lie there to look pretty and take it."

  • But seriously, it feels sometime like women are not active participants of the sex act, just compliance officers allowing you to browse and explore her. Not a problem, but there's nothing worse than a chick you couldn't wait to get into bed being horrible in the sack and with it.

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja 11 points12 points  (1 child)

also why high-t chicks are usually sluts/nymphos to some extent

[–]Entrefut 3 points4 points  (2 children)

This is exactly the type of shit I want to see more of on here. Any sources?

[–]ilirm 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Dopamine inhibits prolactin and may indirectly inhibit oxytocin, due to the prolactin inhibition. Prolactin makes milk, oxytocin expells it from the breast.

The effects of testosterone on oxytocin, however, have not been studied on humans, only lab rats. From the Bulgarian Study in 1987.

Kirilov G, Lang RE, Kraft K, Ganten D. The effects of orchidectomy and testosterone replacement therapy on plasma and brain oxytocin in normal rats. Acta Physiologica et Pharmacologica Bulgarica. 1987;13:30–34.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3673599

Also how does testosterone lessen the effects of oxytocin on its receptor? is it a competitive antagonist? or Partial Agonist. I don't understand what you are saying here, you have to be very clear when you make these claims. You'll have to quote some pubmed info my way, cause i just don't see it. Unless Testosterone is causing auto-immune destruction of OXTR receptors, i just don't see how what you are saying is even remotely possible.

I did however find a link between CCK release and Oxytocin here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC529435/

Basic summary of that article is fat people have more oxytocin. So if you want your wife to love you, better feed her lipid heavy diet.

[–]Newdist2 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Serious question, could slutty women prevent this effect by not cumming?

Not that it's usually up to the woman whether she cums or not, but maybe a technical virgin who sucked 100 cocks but never let a man touch her pussy could still pair bond?

[–]2Kill_Your_Ego 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I dunno. It would be interesting to see a full on study of this directly. I also know that there are at least two genetics companies trying to find ways to repair OXTR receptors. Not to restore the ability to pair bond, and who knows what other effects are going on in the brain, but for other reasons. Still imagine one day you can slut around like crazy and then before you get married pay for gene therapy to repair your damaged brain.

[–]Entrefut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like less money in Psychiatrist's and Pharma companies pockets and more in mine.

[–]JillyPolla 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I believe this is the reason why some men practice /r/nofap, to prevent desensitization and therefore a lack of personal drive.

[–]1aguy01 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Testosterone suppresses oxytocin. It is a quantifiable reality that women become more attached by sex. If a girl gives away her sex easily it is because she has stopped producing significant amounts of oxytocin; it doesn't hurt her knowing that she may be getting pumped and dumped. An easy woman is chemically not capable of a successful relationship due to this inability to produce the requisite chemicals that create a strong bond.

[–]RECTAL_ROMPER 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Can I get a source on that?

[–]1aguy01 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly I can't find the specific study, but it is said all the time in psychology articles and books that testosterone suppresses oxytocin, and estrogen enhances it. Men with higher testosterone have also been shown to cheat more in relationships, presumably in part because there is less oxytocin bonding him to his partners. I also remember reading the oxytocin production diminishes the more it is produced, even with pets and children. The first pet and first child cause the mother to release more oxytocin than the other children, same with relationships.

[–]Entrefut 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Shit man, that's a rough paragraph to read over and over. I had a plate for a couple months that was a high end prostitute when she was 18-20. Two years later, she still couldn't have emotional connections to ANYONE including friends, relatives, men, family, w/e. I never really talked about it that much with her, but you could tell, she just seemed like an empty shell. At the time, I hadn't been reading TRP, but I knew something was off. Women like that have to turn to alternative ways of getting the same high that everyone else gets off having good sex. Drugs, alcohol, expensive travel and by consequence more sex. It's almost sad.

[–]-Tyler_Durden- 9 points10 points  (1 child)

This is where the expression: "You can't turn a ho into a housewife." comes from.

[–]MattyAnon 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Is that cause or effect though.... what was she like BEFORE the whoring? If she doesn't have emotional connections even with her family, my guess is she wasn't in great shape before the (well paid) CC

[–]AlphaAccountant 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Much like heroin addicts, chasing the dragon.

[–]rorrr 3 points4 points  (28 children)

But how many men truly want a "lasting monogamy"?

[–]mrp3anut 34 points35 points  (20 children)

I would say a lot do.

If we can pretend for a minute that all the marriage 2.0 be didn't exist and that you could be reasonably sure the marriage would last etc.

Long term monogamy is good for peoples' spirit in the same way working out is good for you body. I don't really enjoy running, lifting, eating right etc however I do them because they result in a much happier life overall than being lazy and eating cheetos. The same can be said with monogamy. It requires a dedicated partner which is why it is broken in the modern world but if the culture wasn't fucked how many guys would really turn down the idea of coming home everyday to a clean house, home cooked meals, and a woman that wanted to fuck his brains out everyday? On top of that he can build a meaningful connection to a woman and fill that desire of being a protector/provider etc.

[–]Entrefut 18 points19 points  (15 children)

Fortunately I'm a guy and I really don't have to look for lasting monogamy for a LONG time, I just have to practice it.

If I stay in amazing shape, eat right, push my career and keep all my shit together (mainly not get married) I could start something with a girl in her early 20s when I'm 35 and have a woman who not only stays beautiful throughout my prime, but also has relatively low partner counts, is very fertile and overall has a lot to learn from me leading a monogamous relationship and give her guidance in a world that otherwise is going to tell her she's making a dumb choice.

Then when she hits her 30s, she can watch as all the women who told her it was a mistake crumble in the test of time. That's the fucking dream, because after that truth hits women, their views on their life up to that point change drastically. And if I go solo til 35, no kids, no serious commitments, I'm excited as hell to see where i'm at with my current plan.

[–]RU_Crazy 3 points4 points  (5 children)

That's the dream and I've thought about doing something similar myself. One of my concerns though is that with the progressive frame taking over just what kind of views about marriage and life will those 20-somethings have 10 years from now? It may even be more wonky by then.

[–]mrp3anut 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I completely agree with that plan. No reason risking everything until you need to however I would add the caveat of being on the lookout for RPW type girls in the meantime. Passing up a girl when you are 20 is probably sound risk managent but passing at 29 just for a few more years of freedom is not so sound

[–]Entrefut 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Always depends on the opportunity cost.

[–]mrp3anut 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The key is realizing what opportunity each year of bachelorhood is really worth.

[–]1independentmale 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I would say a lot do. If we can pretend for a minute that all the marriage 2.0 be didn't exist and that you could be reasonably sure the marriage would last etc.

Damn right. I'd love to marry my girl but the entire fucking deck is stacked against me. What we need is a wedding and legal separation on the same day. Then you can't take each other's shit when things go south.

People let themselves go when they get married, too. Men and women alike. I don't want to be stuck with someone who has decided she no longer gives a shit about her body. I'll stick it out for awhile, love on her, hit the gym with her, cook healthy meals together and so on but if she's just going to sit on her expanding ass and eat ice cream all day I'm out. I refuse to sign any contract that penalizes me half my net worth for exercising this perfectly reasonable position.

[–]brotherjustincrowe 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Factor in the growing number of strident, man-hating feminists whose material needs are met by the government (or spineless betas on Patreon) who can afford to make a full-time job out of turning women against men - it's a pretty lousy prospect all around.

[–]ROIVeritas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Theyre basically telling men, get in line, bow, or be homeless in the land you built.

[–]juicy_truth 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Lasting monogamy is kinda awesome. I am 8 years in with a naturally RPW, and I can assure you, this is a great life.

[–]the_hibachi 11 points12 points  (1 child)

So should I find one of those good Christian virgin girls and then raise my family to be religious? Serious question. Not being facetious.

[–]tylerdurden100 46 points47 points  (8 children)

Jesus Christ bananas this is an outstanding piece of writing. It alludes to how I've been feeling recently. For a long period of time I thought I had swallowed the pill, I was running around fucking people over, wrecking sloots, hitting the gym, laughing at 21st century attention whores and slathering myself in all the filthy glory of a former beta that had found a new lease of life. It was all very beautiful in a sick perverted kind of way. I'm not happy with it though. Society is fucked. Being a vapid cum vessel is the only way a woman can be socially popular. Social popularity is the only thing important to women. It's like a snake eating it's tail.

It abhorrs me, I'm taking a step back from all of this, moving away from devoting myself to improving my SMV. Fuck SMV, I'm gonna start working on my Real Market Value. Study, work etc improving myself for ME. Some how I missed out on this fundamental tenet of TRP.

[–]Mysteriouspaul 24 points25 points  (4 children)

I feel the same way basically. I swallowed the pill and started banging my way through the hoard of sluts that is Western Society and realized after a while that I still feel empty. I've been willing to try holding down a relationship for an extended period of time but there's always something way too wrong about whatever woman I'm dating: no personality, high partner count, mental problems (I can understand if they had a truly traumatic occurrence in their life but come on just because your dad didn't buy you those Ugg boots when you were 13 doesn't mean you were abused), and a slew of other nasty traits. Maybe monk mode is the next thing I try

[–]terpnasty 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I'm in the same boat. My top plate is a high-quality woman, and I want to take the plunge and LTR her, but I have too many misgivings about her past and it will probably be a deal breaker. It's hard to find the right girl even if you're actively looking.

[–]tickle-me-azathoth 5 points6 points  (2 children)

What do you lose from giving her a shot? Worst case you end up having to dump someone you've been planning to drop anyway.

[–]WAFC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Depends on how far into the "shot" she gets before failing. If she fucks up with a quickness then you're fine. If it takes ten years for her hypergamy to rear its head, not so much.

[–]Gotmilkyy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When I first found TRP back at the beginning of August I did what you did. I went after as many girls as possible, was an unreasonable asshole to everyone around me, and had a lot of False Confidence (term from "Models" that I just started reading). I slowly started to realize that being the opposite of an extreme Nice Guy is still an extreme, and not good.

Models by Mark Manson explains a lot of the ideas you are talking about. Definitely required reading. It talks about, basically what you said in your last paragraph, improving yourself, making yourself the prize, and not putting up with manipulative shit-testing women. Which means a lot of introspection, self-evaluation, and removal of the negative people in your life. You can't control them, you can only control yourself. Therefore, I just try to lead by example and hopefully they will come around.

Yeah it's a lonely and hard path but who said it was going to be easy?

[–]I-Am-Dickish 60 points61 points  (125 children)

You are the first person other than myself to take this stance on religion. Too many people think religion is worthless just because it is a lie.

Religions value is not in the afterlife. It grants those that can believe so many benefits. An upstanding position in society, a moral code for children, charity (which indirectly affects the giver positively), a monogamous system, and (perhaps the most valuable) motivation.

Without religion each individual has to subsidize all of the aspects. Religion is a lie of necessity.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (5 children)

I've believed for a while now that all, if not most, religions started as a basis for how to create and sustain a healthy, functioning society. The things that religion views as 'sin' are detrimental to society. As an incentive, or disincentive rather, to behave a certain way, the afterlife myth was created. (Note: I'd consider myself a pantheist and have an unorthodox perspective I've reached on my own. When I say after life I mean the traditional heaven vs hell.)

I do not know if there is or is not an afterlife and neither could those who started religions. The reason that heaven and hell were propagated was to ensure morality and values were being acted upon even if nobody could find out about an individuals "wrong" doing. Because "God" knows everything you do and will ultimately judge you to determine whether you live in nirvana for eternity, or hell for eternity. So, be a good person, help the poor, don't kill, don't covet thy neighbor's wife, don't steal, etc. They're all just guidelines which use fear to influence behavior to result in a stronger society.

I also believe that religion has been corrupted over the years and has been used as a tool to benefit those in power. The true value of religion has been lost as people fail to see the real reason religion exists. I mean, how can you see that there are so many religions and still believe that yours is the right one? It's extremely understandable why people commit to religion (to increase spirituality, a connection with "God", and sense of belonging/importance) it's foolish, however, to believe that yours is the right one.

[–]brotherjustincrowe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Latin religio means "to tie together." It began as a common set of unifying cultural practices but metastatized into a social control method and became tyrannical big governments in the form of theocracies, using manipulative psychological tactics to maintain power. Not for nothing did L. Ron Hubbard say that starting a religion was the quickest way to get rich.

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    [–]I-Am-Dickish 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Your certainly right. Religion can be easily exploited.

    Making a religion based on obtaining a utopia might be possible. Ill probably just stick with the swolefather.

    [–]duckspeed 20 points21 points  (2 children)

    Turns out organized religion might have been a massive advantage for group selection. The non-religious tribes vanished.

    To paraphrase Dan Dennett: Would you rather go to war with a group of religious fanatics at your side, or with a group of economists who are incredibly good at cost-benefit analysis.

    [–]harkrank 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Non-religious cultures can only grow through breeding while remaining culturally homogenous. Religious cultures grow through breeding and converting. When religion is the primary measurement in who belongs to a community - instead of blood - you can grow the community exponentially faster than a community bonded only by blood. And more people equalled more power and bigger armies.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 12 points13 points  (12 children)

    You are the first person other than myself to take this stance on religion. Too many people think religion is worthless just because it is a lie.

    I actually support this stance on religion. Even if you are not a true believer the fact that many religions have similar moral conduct rules and many wonderful stories to help guide oneself on the journey through life.

    Also there are the huge amount of auxiliary benefits of belonging to a close knit community like one that a religious group provides. Including a possible support structure in the event of a catastrophic life event (say house burned down or something).

    Churches used to build themselves around communities. These days it seems communities seem to build themselves around churches.

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      [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Excellent post. Gave me something I hadn't previously considered to think about. Thank you for sharing!

      [–]the_real_chronos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I really like your angle. It's an often missed point of religion and feminism.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Here have a point. This was a good written reply.

      I agree that STDs hurt women more than they do men. Likewise I think even men would be better off if we re-established social norms that shun adultery and promiscuousness. The only men who benefit from the current status quo are the PUAs and Alphas who are drowning in pussy. The sad thing is that these Alpha Males do not realize that the alpha males that came before them realized exactly how bad things could get with unchecked female hypergamy. This is why monogamy was mandated in most religions, because it enabled beta males to participate in society rather than dropping out. If all the beta males give up and stop working then the Alpha males being about 20% of the population would have to work 5 times as hard.

      [–]-Tyler_Durden- 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      Religion is important to a society for the same reason Santa Claus is important to children. Most people lack the philosophical reasoning to do the "right" thing just because it is right and will make their life better in the long run.

      They need motivation, punishments, and rewards to do the right thing and not succumb to their basal instincts. And since women are perpetual teenagers, they need religion more so to live a good and happy life.

      [–]TakeYourSoma1 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Also there are the huge amount of auxiliary benefits of belonging to a close knit community like one that a religious group provides. Including a possible support structure in the event of a catastrophic life event (say house burned down or something).

      This is the biggest reason I'd enter a religion. The community aspect of a good congregation is something admirable to say the least. I would just feel wrong professing faith in a higher being to a bunch of people knowing that I'm just putting on a facade.

      [–]curious97 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      if it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty sure the rate of "true" devotion and unwavering belief was pretty much constant throughout history (i.e. pretty low)

      [–]harkrank 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      An ideology without these common moral conducts (monogamy etc.) doesn't last long enough to grow into a religion.

      [–]lateralus01 6 points7 points  (6 children)

      You are the first person other than myself to take this stance on religion. Too many people think religion is worthless just because it is a lie.

      As far as convincing daughters not to be whores, I'm not quite sure religion is necessary. I'm curious why no one here has mentioned simply explaining the sexual marketplace to their daughters. Why not tell them that the overwhelming majority of men are disgusted by whores and no amount of social conditioning will change that? I don't have children so maybe there's some pitfalls to this approach that I'm not seeing.

      On a completely different note, empathy is what keeps me acting in a moral way towards other people. Unfortunately empathy varies from person to person depending on the biology of their brains. It cannot be learned so lying to people about religion may be the only way to keep low-empathy individuals acting in a moral way.

      [–]I-Am-Dickish 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      You'd have to have a unicorn to pull this off. They take queues from their mom.

      [–]vakerr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I'm curious why no one here has mentioned simply explaining the sexual marketplace to their daughters. Why not tell them that the overwhelming majority of men are disgusted by whores and no amount of social conditioning will change that?

      I bet you've never tried to explain anything to a teenage child of yours. They simply do not believe you. They already know everything better, and when you go against all their peers and the entire cultural brainwash your chances are zero.

      [–]RedRumRedSunTRP 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      I remember reading about Tennessee students researched atheists and came to the conclusion that there are 6 types of atheists, and the one Illimitable Man describes sounds like an anti-theist. Myself, I fall somewhere between Seeker-agnostic and Ritual atheist, for example.

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/15/the-six-types-of-atheists/

      [–]I-Am-Dickish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Thanks. Going to look into this.

      [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      As the resident muslim guy I'd just like to add :

      You could replace "religion" with "philosophical world view and way of life at societal scale". (This way, even the militant atheist zealots wont get their panties all up in a bunch.)

      [–]I-Am-Dickish 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      Anyone with a severe bias regarding religion isn't worth talking to regarding philosophy or religion. If you can't see any value in a doctrine guiding millions of lives, then any beliefs you have on the matter are worthless and littered with biases.

      I just used "you" for the wording. Wasn't targeting you specifically.

      If it gets to the point I'm trying to sell a set world view, I'll consider rephrasing "religion."

      [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Understood. You'll have to forgive me - as I'm used to different reactions whenever the r-word is even alluded to.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 36 points37 points  (67 children)

      Too many people think religion is worthless just because it is a lie.

      I view atheists as reverse zealots, idiots on the opposite extreme of the spectrum to religious nuts. Religion is very necessary to ensure moral order. All the dietary crap and blind adherence to rules and rituals that make no sense in the modern age I don't agree with. But the moral system, suppression of promiscuity (necessary for monogamy/advanced civilization) and sense of community it provides are all incredibly valuable. Religion enforces these things to the net benefit of everyone.

      Atheism has none of that, atheism is almost autistic and misses the forest for the trees. It concentrates mainly on the existence of God, and proving things with science. It obsesses over disproving religion rather than being a viable alternative to religion. It's more of a anti-religion movement than it is a viable ideology to live by. That's it. It misses out on all the other important roles religion has played in society and doesn't even provide alternatives with it's own ethos. IMO, modern atheism is a cult of intellectual narcissists intelligent enough to understand science but devoid of philosophical learning. They fail to acknowledge the importance of morality and the role religion played in delivering that on a macro scale. I always state I am not religious when I make pro-religious arguments, because I don't need close-minded atheists framing me as some religious idiot. I am neither atheist nor religious. I may opt in to Buddhism for the meditation and other benefits I mention earlier on in this post. It seems to be the one religion devoid of all the harmful freedom-limiting bullshit.

      Modern day atheists are what you get when you teach people science divorced of philosophy. Arrogant idiots who are just as obnoxious as religious nutjobs. Both groups think they are superior and have all the answers. But both groups have it wrong and are essentially too proud to admit the holes in their ideological frameworks. As is typical of most (if not all) ideology.

      [–]Helmut_Newton 28 points29 points  (9 children)

      I disagree with your characterization here. Atheists are not a monolithic group. An atheist simply has no belief in God. Yes, some atheists are needlessly strident, but some are not.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 20 points21 points  (2 children)

      Well to be fair most athetists you wouldn't even know unless they told you. Just like religion most people wont bring it up unless you ask.

      It's the ones that are out there protesting at funerals because 'God hates fags' and the ones bitching about nativity scenes and christmas trees and stupid shit like 'in god we trust' on money that everyone associates with religion or atheism.

      [–]Helmut_Newton 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      True to some extent. Although some faiths make it a point to have their members prosthelytize, so they will try to tell you "the good news" whether you want to hear it or not.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

      Yes, I am generalising.

      [–]Azothlike 13 points14 points  (3 children)

      The flaw in generalizing is directly proportional to the level of mischaracterization being committed; and in that instance, associating the whole of atheism with 'zealous almost-autism' is ridiculous.

      You don't have to be a sociopath to be an atheist. Atheists are not without personal moral compasses. You attempt to claim that religion is necessary due to morality, yet ignore the copious acts of immorality and civilizational trauma that religion has also caused, because the same blind moral faith that preserves the family unit through shaming promiscuity also 'hates fags' in Russia, slaughters millions in jihad and religious crusade, and fucks with the planet in my own back yard(to quote my twice-a-week church-going grandfather, "Anyone who thinks we can change God's climate is vain and insane").

      You can't pick and choose what you like about religion and what you don't like about atheism. What you're advocating, ignorant morality based on faith and history, is useful when we get it right, but irrevocably damaging when we get it wrong, and religion has little way of being able to tell when it's wrong.

      A knowledgeable moral structure is a superior alternative, but that requires a basis in knowledge, not faith; an advocacy for studying, not praying. Knowledge and science may not have caught up to the workings of the brain, and specific ways that promiscuity damages pair bonding and in turn society, but I'm much more confident in knowledge bettering society as a whole than I am faith, now and in the future.

      [–]Matsew 11 points12 points  (3 children)

      let's not go as far as calling atheists zealots and certainly not idiots:). most just realize that religion is not true and if you've been brainwashed all your life, that's a pretty decent intellectual achievement, they won't be hateful bitter evil individuals for the most part. i guess there will be some fedoras circlecerking over at r/atheism but no reason to hate us all.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      I don't hate atheists per se, I do find their more vocal elements to be annoying and obnoxious. I do find the whole notion of going out of your way to discredit "God" to be a waste of time. There are far more productive things atheists could do, eg: offer an alternative to religion, perhaps a philosophical framework people could live by devoid of the scaremongering manipulation of hell and heaven.

      Perhaps make your own stories like Nietzsche did with "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" or Rand did with "The Fountainhead" to illustrate points and principles, but be explicit in stating they are fictional stories lest some idiot in 2,000 years decides all that shit actually happened and is an accurate depiction of history and that you all have to fucking pilgrimage to the metaphorical places described in the stories. You don't need that idiocy creeping in to what you try to create, but this is the danger with creating stories and having them misinterpreted.

      This would be far better than taking the collective piss out of religion. The atheist movement seems asinine to me. Although you do make a valid point in saying that if one was brainwashed to follow religion then breaking free of such programming is an achievement. That is a most agreeable statement. That is perhaps the only productive element I can see atheism serving. As a replacement for religion however? No. Good for undoing brainwashing, not good for giving one moral guidance. In fact I would argue some could use atheism to justify immorality. "What's the point, God doesn't exist." Cue the existential nihilism any moment now...

      [–]hairaware 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      There is no such thing as a true atheist as no one can ever really know whether there is a god or not. I choose not to believe in one but if he appeared in front of me I wouldn't deny his existence. Atheism or agnosticism purely just wants proof. Be religious if you want, I'll choose to think you're crazy for believing that some force or person is the reason you didn't get run over today.

      Religion is just an easy way out of a hard problem.

      [–]Azothlike 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      That same argument can be used for every religion. Such as, there's no such thing as a true Christian, because you can't know there is a God.

      Religion is not generally defined as what you know. It's defined as what you believe.

      [–]2emptyform 2 points3 points  (7 children)

      I'm afraid you'll find Buddhism is its own set of chains, but like other religions, it is far from devoid of value. After being raised extremely Christian, I've gone down the Buddhism rabbit hole (among others) and found it ultimately dissatisfactory and rather non-liberating. Still worth it for the positives you can take from it.

      [–]WarsmithOrgruk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This comes off more as a description of /r/atheism users more than anything. But I do agree. It is a point often missed, if you are going to distance yourself from religion, having an understanding of the philosophy of morals so that you can keep yourself a decent person is a must.

      [–]vakerr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      All the dietary crap and blind adherence to rules and rituals that make no sense in the modern age I don't agree with.

      And then you read papers about the health benefits of occasional fasting. Next you realize that regular prayer has a lot in common with meditation.

      Sure, religions probably carry some 'junk DNA' as part of their memeplex, but many (most?) traditions survived because they provided some evolutionary benefits to those practicing them.

      [–]suloco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      IMO, modern atheism is a cult of intellectual narcissists intelligent enough to understand science but devoid of philosophical learning.

      You perfectly described my problem with militant atheists. They think they're the shit but in reality, they're lacking.

      [–]xiko 2 points3 points  (14 children)

      I had to explain to a past atheist girlfriend that all her values are Christian. That she was raised with the morals of a Christian. And that has value even if she doesn't believe in God.

      That is what I explained to my mom as well. I follow the Christian morals and just because I don't believe in hell it doesn't mean I am going to do wrong.

      [–]RedSpectrum 18 points19 points  (3 children)

      You do not need to be a Christian to have good morals and values.

      [–]xiko 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      I agree with that. I was only showing my ex-gf where her values came from. And that they are different from other cultures.

      [–]Justathrowawayo 10 points11 points  (1 child)

      Interestingly, those morals didn't come from Christianity either.

      [–]brotherjustincrowe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Immanuel Kant - a Jew - pointed out how a great number of them can come from logic alone.

      [–]R4F1 9 points10 points  (7 children)

      Deism was a popular concept, and many of the US' founding fathers and classical liberal thinkers were Deists and Christian Deists. That was until the Left kind of wiped that idea out of the popular consciousness and replaced it with agnosticism and atheism. There's a lot of people with Deist beliefs I've met who had never even heard of the term.

      [–]deaduponaviral 7 points8 points  (6 children)

      The Jefferson Bible is a good book to consider here. Jefferson basically took out a sharpie and edited down the original King James version. He kept all the morals and excluded much of the goofy shit and magic. I personally hate the moral grandstanding that both sides take and find it hilarious how even though one of them is "awoken", they are still just as close-minded as their counterparts. I'm just gonna sit on the fence until I die (I can wait to find out). Religion is just a tool like any other. Depending on who and how it's applied it can produce both good and bad results respectively. The golden rule is still the brick and mortar for any self respecting people, yet most people these days can't even respect themselves.

      [–]curious97 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      the "goofy shit and magic" is important in order to make the story compelling.

      [–]mandemscomin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I wouldn't say that's true in the 21st century. If you use movies as an example, nowadays a certain level of authenticity and plausibility is required. It doesn't even need to be necessarily realistic. Take Transformers, for example. It's just about plausible while being completely ridiculous.

      Too many people aren't convinced my "goofy shit and magic" anymore, we're all too eager to poke holes in things.

      [–]vakerr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      goofy shit and magic

      It delivers civilization building guidelines in the typical communication style of the time when it was written. It should be possible to bring it up to date if Hollywood was interested in building civilization. But it isn't, quite the opposite.

      [–]curious97 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This is so important to realize. Western morals are Christian morals. The Sermon on the Mount is a seminal work of ethics if you want to know where Europeans got their morality. The actual belief in God or divinity of Christ is the least important aspect of Christianity's impact on society.

      [–]0ompa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Yep, I went through the exact same thing. Told one of my close female friends (athiest) that she's basically just a watered down christian.

      [–]UnpluggedMaestro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      How do you reconcile the idea of blind faith of religion though? I am an agnostic, but I like some parts of Christianity very much (the morals, ethics, humanist principles), but I can't stand the other parts (the bigotry, the over-the-top praise-jesus part, and it seems the lack of critical thinking carries over to all parts of their lives, etc.). Is there perhaps a method to get all the benefits without the disadvantages?

      [–]vakerr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      but I can't stand the other parts (the bigotry, the over-the-top praise-jesus part, and it seems the lack of critical thinking carries over to all parts of their lives, etc.).

      Have you noticed that progressivism has all of that except the God part?

      [–]scamper_22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The problem is depending on your religion, it can be really hard to be that contradictory.

      I come from a pretty orthodox Islamic background. I also happen to be pretty traditional in the sense, of work, family, life of substance is the best... The problem is, I have left my religion and it is beyond my character to simply stroll around talking about my religion knowing it is a lie.

      Perhaps it is more with Islam in the sense that I'd be telling my kids that the Koran is the way of life God ordained and you follow the rules. Then god forbid my child ever reads the book (and he might.. with my genes) and I couldn't do that to the child.

      I can't say for sure, if I had a less silly religion, maybe I could be a part of it just the community. There are times I listen to Christian preachers and maybe I could be a part of that community. But honestly, I don't know. It might just be my personality, but I have a hard time with it.

      Probably more so with Islam and my community can be a bit in your face with it.

      Even as a left I religion, I knew it was very useful for people. But again, is religion the answer? Muslim communities and groups are totally screwed up. Drugs and alcohol are a huge problem. Girls are sluts; just hidden behind the scenes. I go to functions and people are complaining of lesbians being a huge problem with even married women...

      Sure, feminism can screw up kids. Religion can too. Let's not even talk about extremism. Perhaps an ideal religious community can be a good thing. But many of us are not in such a position and truth be told, I haven't seen such an ideal community. As I've said, I've only seen glimpses of protestant Christianity that appeal to me, but that is outside looking in. Who knows what is it like on the inside. And who knows if I could keep up the lie.

      Right now, the best I can think of is to teach my child the morality as a way of life and explain it and hope it is enough. If I have a daugther, explain the sexual market, her value, what she has to do, what she should for in a guy... A guy... the same thing.

      [–]parrrot_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You are the first person other than myself to take this stance on religion.

      Surely not, maybe the first you've met/heard about, but I'm sure that's what you meant.

      I've been an atheist since I was 5 or something, when God didn't give me the set of legos I wanted after I prayed at night (If you exist, give me this at the end of the bed when I wake up). Superb logic.

      Since then, however, I've come to the same conclusion: While religion is a lie, when the values are imposed upon a people / society, the net value is probably positive.

      It was actually a thread here on TRP that made me reconsider what I thought I knew. I've snapshot it here. I selected a permalink for a certain comment which goes even further in explaining it, so make sure to read the first comment and the first reply to it. It really changed my views a lot, at least after thinking about it for a while.

      [–]deville05 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I only support religion if it can keep us violent apes in check. But as far as controlling women, nah man. You cant force and oppress and control them because we did that already by using religion. it doesnt take into account the evil of men and how they will use it. Im sure that religion line in OP's post exactly what the religious heads said when coming up with it. Its what weak men came up with because they couldnt lead properly. They needed fear.

      [–]Gotmilkyy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Thank you for saying this. I have been going over in my head for the past month on why I thought religion could be a good thing in the right context even though its seen as false. Maybe its another of the necessary evils next to government.

      [–]amazing_h 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      He's not the first person to take that stance, but the people who take it don't talk about it, because it's usualy interpreted as hypocrisy at best and elitism at worst.

      [–]I-Am-Dickish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      It would take skilled communication to portray it properly.

      [–]vakerr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You are the first person other than myself to take this stance on religion.

      Head over to /r/DarkEnlightenment and start reading the sidebar.

      [–]screamingATtrees 12 points13 points  (2 children)

      "I'm a strong woman confident in my sexuality and I don't care what anybody thinks!

      "how many dudes have you fucked?"

      "That's none of your business... I'm not a slut!"

      "so 20?!"

      "what Omg no... That's disgusting eww!

      "....."

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Well if she's not fucking dudes she's rug munching like a hoover vacuum.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      As you can see, logic and consistency are feminine strong points.

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        [–]harkrank 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Some % of the women being whores would satisfy male sexuality at large. That's how it worked up until recently. What is the point of all of them being whores?

        [–]erqos 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        Feminists/dykes and big business wants your daughter to be a vapid man-hating whore so they can sell her a bunch of shit she doesn't need and make her tap into her inherent fluid (bisexual) sexuality so she'll whore herself out to predatory lesbians when it is necessary for her to get ahead

        I knew male homosexuals did this (there's a huge self-post about Hollywood homosexuals in r/movies if you search for "Bryan Singer"). It stands to reason that the dykes do this as well.

        Capitalism/economics doesn't give a shit about society or moral value systems, it's psychopathic it cares about one thing: maximizing profit at the expense of anything and everything.

        Remember the recent brouhaha about sexual amorality? It's time for amorality battle round 2: corporate amorality. Who's going to stick up for the "amoralists" this time?

        [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        It's time for amorality battle round 2: corporate amorality.

        Had a draft on the psychopathy of corporatism/capitalism laying around for a long time (long before the recent feud.) My unpublished content count is quite high, some are rough articles not good enough to go out, others are just a ton of notes. This article in particular is far too rough/undeveloped to publish. It needs a lot more fleshing out. Time and perfectionism is a bitch. When you aim for quality like I do, publishing new content is slow. Anyone can write 400 word posts comprised of feel good shit, basic dieting advice or a rant everyday. It takes little creative skill and general abstraction. I set the bar higher than that for myself. Sometimes I go back to pieces I previously published because I know they can be and should be better. Not just grammatically, but in terms of content. I plague my art with critical perfectionism. It's a bitch for the work rate.

        [–]erqos 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        When we take the long view of what's good for us (in other words, good for society), rather than the myopic short-term view, we know that any kind of amorality is bad. In the case of corporations, they're exploiting women's rampant consumerist and wasteful tendencies, creating a vicious cycle that's extremely detrimental to society. So your treatise on corporatism run amok is highly relevant and welcomed.

        [–]drallcom3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Rational, well behaved women aren't useful to corporations and politics. A women who can freely follow her instincts will always spend all of her money for useless shit, while a decent woman would either be able to decide for herself or consult her husband. Likewise BP men are raised to spend all of their money on those women instead of investing in their own future to gain true power and independence. Politics also benefit from the constantly broke woman without a future who can be bribed with (hidden) welfare money. Just get a baby, marry a BP sucker or pussy pass your way into something. In the end the end every man is a BB because most of his taxes go to women. A good woman would talk with her husband what party to vote for, but that's dangerous for the party in power. Just an example: The liberal leftist parties in Germany are carried by young women, young orbiters and state employees. No one is going to support your traditional family anymore.

        [–]ski_ski_ski_ski 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        "the guys are off acting like faggots playing video games, getting fat and avoiding the transition from boyhood to manhood." yup that's me.

        [–]WAFC 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Considering what "manhood" has become, I find it difficult to fault anyone who chooses that path.

        [–]bama79rolltide 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        Post-femininity and in the age of feminism, women have been reduced from mothers and wives and people of substantive psychological worth to basic bitches with no value outside their sex.

        Couldn't agree more.

        [–]TakeYourSoma1 10 points11 points  (11 children)

        What can we do about it? Call it an inner white knight that I haven't fully dispatched yet, but reading this really resonates with me and I want to see a movement that puts a stop to this degeneracy. I've noticed a lot of attitudes on here to the effect of "the horse has left the barn, no sense in closing the doors, might as well drink champagne while the band keeps playing." I refuse to accept defeat so easily.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 13 points14 points  (2 children)

        I would not say that it is your inner white knight. I would suggest that it's actually the fact that you wish to use TRP in a moral way rather than the commonly tossed around trope of 'Sexual Strategy is Amoral'.

        You basically understand the truth and want to restore social order so that society can repair the damage that feminism has done to it before we end up having a huge societal collapse.

        Neither is necessarily wrong both are valid responses to the truths that TRP reveals. The latter is in my opinion the more mature and thought out response and it is actually the one that is much much harder to achieve because you have to try to change everyone rather than just yourself.

        [–]systemshock869 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        And not only the loser nice guy betas need to change, but the dip shit alpha fuck machines as well. The best path is often the hardest.

        [–]Sippin_that_Haterade 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        Have children and raise them right. You can't convince our generation of women, but you can teach your daughters to be good women, and your sons to be real men.

        [–]1bicepsblastingstud 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Live your life in accordance with your morality and build a social network that is the same. There's nothing else to do.

        [–]2Kill_Your_Ego 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        You can't change what has already happened. Take advantage of it instead. Or move to an Asian country. Withdraw from society. Go MGTOW. And to restate this let's try to raise our kids right. Though the government isn't going to allow that. Men don't have parental rights and government education has been deliberately infiltrated by the cultural Marxists.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorDoxasticPoo 6 points7 points  (3 children)

        I was talking about this with a plate a few months back. She wouldn't fuck me so we "talked". Turns out she's 29 and still a virgin. Because she's seen what's happened to her friends and decided to wait until she's married, because she doesn't want to end up like that.

        This was the gist of the convo:

        Me, "Yeah... you're right. With every new guy a girl fucks, a piece of her dies."

        Her, "I know. Every girl knows. What I don't understand is how so many modern girls can ignore it. I don't know if they've convinced themselves it doesn't happen or what... but it does."

        I still haven't fucked her despite her eventually giving me the opportunities. I just can't do it to her... It's one thing to kill off a piece of a slut, she's already damaged. But this girl... I just can't do it.

        [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        I still haven't fucked her despite her eventually giving me the opportunities. I just can't do it to her... It's one thing to kill off a piece of a slut, she's already damaged. But this girl... I just can't do it.

        She not worth the LTR/commitment or are you just not in a place where you're ready for that? Also this may be the paranoid Machiavellian in me but 29 and a virgin? Find out if there's a way to check for signs of hymen reconstruction surgery (popular with Chinese bitches, actually.)

        [–]Endorsed ContributorDoxasticPoo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I've been MGTOW for over a year now and I love it. So I'm not looking for an LTR. Plus I'm not really sure we're all that compatible. I don't want to start something unless I really feel the same as she does, and I just don't see that in me. I'm not sure if it's because I'm not looking for something or if we're just not compatible, even if I was. But I believe in treating good girls like good girls and sluts like sluts.

        And who knows if she's a virgin? There's never any way to really know. All I know is it took 3 dates just to get her to make out with me. And the one time I could have escalated to get laid she had a look of fear over her face that only a virgin would have...

        So I figure the right thing to do is keep it in my pants until I have real feelings for her. If that comes around, sweet. If not, it's nice to have her around.

        [–]smokingmonkey420 14 points15 points  (17 children)

        Religion is not the answer. It is but a mere band-aid to the bigger problem at hand.

        The answer is a growing sense of self-awareness among both men and women. We need science to back up our claims that too many partners will interfere with a woman's ability to bond to her man. Once it has been proven and accepted to be true, the fear that will result from these findings will be enough to keep them in check.

        When you think about it, that's all religion is. An institution based on our biggest fear - the fear of death and the unknown. Follow these rules or you're going to hell. But there's no basis for their claims and that's clear as day. As soon as that's figured out, you're entire premise falls apart.

        There's already a significant amount of people who see through the bullshit that is religion so if you think this strategy is going to work then I don't know what to tell you. Because it won't.

        Furthermore, what if science is able to prove that you are wrong, IllimitableMan? That partner count doesn't matter. I guess it will just make us all that more miserable which is typical of religion.

        Logic, scientific evidence and understanding is the only way.

        [–]curious97 8 points9 points  (14 children)

        There's a huge problem with this idea: Most people don't have a visceral emotional reaction towards scientific findings. Think of how many studies there are on the dangers of X, Y, Z, etc., and people still do not give a shit. Science is aseptic, dry, and insipid to the great majority of humanity, and you need to convince the great majority if you want to see great changes on a societal level.

        Now a compelling story about how God, the creator of all, holds us to moral standards, and that if we don't try and follow those teachings which were revealed to humanity by a crucified Jewish mystic in the 1st century who was the incarnation of God in human form we will all die forever and miss out on eternal life? Much more compelling. If you could go ahead and create a compelling mythology using purely scientific findings, I will congratulate you.

        [–]smokingmonkey420 2 points3 points  (13 children)

        Yes, that strategy worked for thousands of years. But it's time to move on. If it was still viable we wouldn't be having this conversation.

        [–]curious97 4 points5 points  (12 children)

        Move on to what? That's my question. I know religion works, I know it is a force of good but what will you replace it with? Nothing?

        [–]smokingmonkey420 4 points5 points  (11 children)

        Logic, scientific evidence and understanding. I already pointed that out.

        Look, the point here is to prove the risks and instill the very real danger of sexual promiscuity. Once that is realized it will induce fear in the hearts and minds of all people, both men and women.

        There is no stronger emotion than fear. That is why religion is so powerful. It plays on our deepest fears, the fear of death and the unknown, and gives us hope. Even though it is a lie.

        We cannot regress. We cannot go back to religion. It's been exposed and that option is simply no longer viable. If we try to use it in this context we will never be taken seriously and rightfully so.

        Science will appeal to both men and women. Science is the truth, and as they say, the truth shall set you free. It may take some time but so be it.

        Edit: it's not a force for good either. It's a force for ignorance and evil. It stunts critical thinking and is one of the main tenets of the BP matrix. IllimitableMan wants to call out atheists as "reverse zealots" but he fails to realize that we have good reason for it. We have all the evidence to back up what we are saying and recognize all the harm that religion causes.

        [–]DaisyLayz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I hate this sub, but I loved this post. Thumbs up to you and your brutal honesty.

        [–]vakerr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Being a good dad isn't enough when all your daughters friends are whores.

        I've read some study, that after the early teens the parents' influence is almost negligible, and the peers' influence dominates. So the best a parent can do past that point is to put their child in the best possible school environment and hope...

        The culture.

        Those in control of today's media have a lot to answer for.

        the companies wanna get their money and see their profits go up. Capitalism/economics doesn't give a shit about society or moral value systems, it's psychopathic it cares about one thing: maximizing profit at the expense of anything and everything.

        Modern corporations are essentially alien invaders. They can be viewed as living organisms, with their own metabolism and evolutionary competition. And their goals (fitness function) does not include the well-being of humanity. Those people concerned about us building (potentially hostile) superhuman AIs, should chew on this first.

        [–]Luke666808g 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I think the best way to teach daughters not to whore around would be to explain red pill truths to them, so that if they do decide to slut it up, at least they'll understand that they'd be destroying their future happiness.

        Women may not be inherently rational, but I believe they can make a rational choice IF the facts are laid out in front of them, and they don't automatically reject it as feel bad nonsense cooked up by evil white men to keep women down.

        [–]rpquest 8 points9 points  (8 children)

        Yes you can be DT and healthy (I know the DT's reading this just got butthurt, but save your concerns, that's a topic for another time.)

        I can't give a rough estimate, but judging by my observations on myself and one of my friends, it seems to me that people can actually end up being heathier individuals psychologically after some period of learning and applying DT traits, specifically the machiavellian strategies.

        [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 10 points11 points  (7 children)

        specifically the machiavellian strategies.

        Yeah because you can still practice your own form of morality despite being Machiavellian. Psychopathy, dysfunctional narcissism (but specifically sadism) create the problems. That discussion is worth it's own thread I don't want to debase this topic going off on a tangent.

        [–]s0und0fyell0w 9 points10 points  (6 children)

        IMO, on top of a patriarch dominating the house, you need religion dominating the morals of a culture to control behaviour/sexuality

        you lost me at this part because plenty of girls claim to be Christians and are still sluts so I fail to see the necessity there.

        [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

        Feminism corrupted Christianity. Look at Islam. Exactly. FYI: not endorsing Islam. Don't misinterpret me, ENFORCED PATRIARCHAL religion is necessary. That shit you call Christianity in the states nowadays has been reduced to a fucking joke.

        [–]RedSpectrum 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Agreed. Went to a southern school. Girls drink and fuck and then go to church on the same weekend. I chuckled on the inside when I saw these same girls dancing on tables on Thirsty Thursday and then saw them in their Bible study groups the following week.

        OP means well, but frankly his ideals follow the "end justifies the means" approach which I don't think will work in the Western World especially when it comes to a enforcing a pseudo-Judeo-Abrahamic religion on the populace all for the sake of reversing what has occurred. The Western World is becoming less and less religious, feminism or not.

        [–]PaperbackParrot 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Lying is key to many social dynamics, and since Christian has a nice "good girl" ring to it, many many girls (and guys for that matter) will say they are Christian, to further whatever agenda they have. There is a ridiculous amount of data that suggests religion was established to give strict morals to oppose and oppress biological imperatives (slutty behavior, etc) in order to build civilization.

        The sidebar has much to say about this overall. Posters who are "TRP endorsed" are usually correct.

        [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Posters who are "TRP endorsed" are usually correct.

        Important to note we are not perfect though. We say dumb shit on occasion and make mistakes. We are human after all.

        [–]PlatosPlatypus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        "Claiming" to identify with a religion is not the same as embracing and living within its moral code. Many girls who claim to be Christian do nothing more than wear cute silver crosses...

        What OP is getting at is the idea that societies in which a religious morality is a major part raise women with more old fashioned values, women who fear judgment, even if there's no one around to see what they're doing.

        In my opinion, you want to raise a child not to fear you, because fear will lead to rebellion, but with the thought in the back of their mind, "If Dad saw me doing this, he'd be so disappointed." Whether "Dad" is their biological father, a strong male figure, or God.

        [–]dLuR 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Wow this was my favorite post ever on this sub. 100% of it was spot on. Quality post man, thank you. Shit like this really helps people connect the dots that they choose to ignore. Then it slaps them in the face.

        [–]watersign 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Women are a liability these days

        [–]Super_Positive 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        I don't 100% subscribe to the theory that Jews invented cultural Marxism to destroy the West, but why does Western society seem so intent on destroying itself? Women are either becoming loud, obnoxious, fat anti-male feminists or complete sluts. In response to this, men are dropping out of the workforce and the provider role - leaving women chasing the few alphas left after years of feminist indoctrination, only to end up miserable and alone - maybe best case scenario locked down with a beta who disgusts her. The good girls who are left are surrounded and bombarded with peer pressure, advertising and social values that encourages being a slut and focusing on a career. I live at a college and regularly lose respect for girls because while they do well in their studies and are driven to succeed in the workplace, I hear about how 'so and so blew some guy in the toilet of a club'. Where the fuck are we going to go from here?

        [–]PM_Me_For_Drugs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Where the fuck are we going to go from here?

        Hopefully the generations to come will de-program themselves quickly and breed wisely, so that perhaps their children's children won't have all of the potential fight squeezed out of them by velvet-gloved iron fists.

        I seriously fucking doubt it though; by and large we are an incredibly malleable and self-interested bunch of children.

        [–]Zipdot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I really feel like you are right after reading this. When I consider all the relationships I have experienced, and all the relationships I have witnessed... this really rings true.

        That brings be to another issue though.

        I do not want to be an alpha male. The way it is described in these forums, it is entirely too much work, and potentially too much risk for me to even consider.

        I will not be beta bucks, my parents have warned be against this from a very young age.

        That leaves me with 2 options. I can either be lonely and depressed the rest of my life, or I can end my life.

        I do not want a submissive woman who I must control with red pill tactics. I want a woman who is a slut only in my bedroom, but who is strong enough to tackle the world on her own if need be without tapping into her sexuality.

        I want a woman who loves me more than my mother loves me and who will never abandon me, no matter how bad my situation is. A woman who is a slut in my bedroom, a chef in my kitchen, and a mother to my children. A woman who looks at no other man than me. I have no interest in constantly being shit tested.

        That life, even if I were to perform it perfectly, gives me no happiness.

        If the only way to attain what I desire is through emotional domination and control... I feel as though I can never be happy in this world.

        Edit: grammar

        [–]SuperSlavisWife 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        Or you can just go with the truth.

        -Every man you have sex with reduces your ability to love a long-term partner.

        -Every man you have sex with openly reduces the quality of men you can marry.

        -You want to find a sweet-spot between sexy and reliable where you can LTR or marry, as long term relationships are better suited to women as a life strategy.

        -You want to cultivate feminine demeanour and avoid TV, social media and drama.

        -Every film aimed at women is designed to be feelgood or to sell you something. Neither tell any truths. Stick to pre-1950s films and anime with a largely male target audience. (After all, you're better off emulating Belldandy or Nico Robin than anything out of a "chick flick".)

        -You want to be able to financially support yourself, as well as keep a home in order, so that you can live comfortably until you find a man and keep him well when you find him.

        -Don't advertise what you're not selling, but don't fail to display what's on offer at the right price.

        -It's better for your mental health to be a social outcast at 13 than a crazy cat lady at 30.

        -You will regret the children you didn't have, not the ones you did. Your fertile window is actually small, so use it. "Settling" as a virgin at 50 is dumber than having a few prior partners and marrying at 25, when you can still have a good selection of men and reproduce with your husband.

        -Don't have sex with a man until the mystery, surprises and fascination wear off. If he's still amazing post-novelty, he's worth your time. Most people are dull once the initial novelty wears off.

        -If he won't stick around over a week without sex, chances are he won't stick around with the sex either. If he will stick around for months without any indication of interest, he would stick around for years in the same situation. Find the sweet-spot guy, not the player or the sex-starved loner.

        -Don't drink in public or alone. Don't do drugs. If you black out in a strange man's bathroom at a house party, things can happen.

        -Regardless of morality, you can't redo your life.

        [–]my-redpillthrowaway 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Okay. This is the one and only thing from TRP that I find is a bit hypocritical. Yes, having a high partner count is bad for women. They won't be able to bond with men properly after a certain point. But I think it applies to men too. I don't expect to pin plates for a long time and then marry one of them and live happily. I will always crave new pussy just like women always crave alpha cock.

        [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        Double standards and hypocrisy don't invalidate the validity of an argument. We hold men and women to different standards as a matter of "what works." If I believed men couldn't have meaningful LTRs after fucking lots of women I'd say that. I don't believe that. I've known of many men who have fucked half the planet and then lived happily ever after with a quality women. Some fuck chicks on the side, some don't.

        Men don't fall in love by having sex. They fall in love by sacrificing (I do believe this is in OP.) Women aren't expected to sacrifice for men in the way men are for women. That's why they don't fall in love in the way men do. Sex is just sex to men. To women, it is love, until they become desensitised, then they can't pair bond any more through sex. Women fall in love by having the same cock repeatedly enter them until a chemical bond is formed. Have I heard stories of women who fucked half the planet and ended up being balanced, healthy relationship material? No. If women could do it, then promiscuity wouldn't be such a problem assuming an absence of STDs. Life isn't fair. Where men get the short end in some areas (can't show emotions like women can) women do in others (can't be a whore and live happily ever after like a man can.) Women can be as angry about the unfairness of that as they like, it doesn't change anything.

        This is just the nature of the game. I don't make the rules. Get notions of fairness out of your head, the world isn't fair. Something doesn't need to be fair in relation to something else to be valid or true. It would be great if women could pair bond after being complete whores, it would make all our lives easier. Those divorce rates would be a fuck ton lower for a start. But they can't, so they're not. It is what it is.

        [–]ROIVeritas 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Your logical presentations on this topic, truly have no limit.

        [–]shadowq8 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Now maybe some of you understand why a lot of immigrants do not want to integrate into western culture.

        [–]Sebsebzen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That's exactly the reason why the Muslim world feels threatened by the West, and why they retort terrorism as a way of defense against our aggressive cultural norms destroying their societies.

        [–]EGOtyst 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Simple question: do you have a daughter?

        [–]ROIVeritas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Excellent as always sir. Your post is annhiliating decrepit social contructs and deflating the inflation of the slutdom dominated marketing strategies' infrastructure. Big business pays big bucks for people to comply without their consent to your aforementioned.

        Lower the standard of woman = lower the standard of women

        Women acting like slut puppies = few babies in nuclear families, more abortions, less willing men for LTR's

        The more women get their hypergmamous, feminist way = more men hitting eject on their bullshit

        "Woman's freedom and power actually helped ruin her"- Evola

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          [–]killerwhale681 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Cold hard facts are just that. If a young woman is raised feral by her mother, that's what she is. If she views men as animals, then she is likely to do anything to whoever marries her. Remember, she patterns her behavior on what she has seen. MGTOW is a rational response to a stacked deck.

          [–]Waldo00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          It is true women are the Strawsonian dogs that shit on your rug. You can't hit her its a fucking dog. They don't act accountable probably cause they aren't.

          [–]BetaRecovery 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Truly inspiring. I checked the link and found that I already subscribe to your blog.

          Society is fucked BTW.

          [–]santino314 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          One more perk of never getting married: since I won't have any children I will never have to see my darling girl fall from grace and turning into a "modern woman" aka a free of charge whore.

          [–]2jagrmeister721 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Your blog is amazingly fucking good. Bookmarked.

          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Thanks for the support bro.

          [–]bam2_89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I've always been aware of the downward trend in female sanity with an upward trend of sexual partners, but does anyone have sources which say that the same isn't true for men or that it's less pronounced? Or that it's the same if that happens to be the case?

          [–]NoRegretj 2 points3 points  (11 children)

          This is so unbelievably spot on its incredible. This is the type of shit that needs to be on these mainstream news articles all over social media, not that anyone would believe it though. On the part pertaining to fathering your daughter and how seemingly difficult it is, my father is a strict conservative parent who errs on the side of beta due to a disastrous custody divorce rape, but that's another story.

          For now he's a single parent of an 18 y/o and 15y/o daughter along with me(20 male) whom he basically cannot trust alone for five minutes. While it can be overbearing to both of them at times and they have already started rebelling in such a way that bothers us both, he can't win because if she has friends they're trash and sluts not even just sluts since we are from a small low income town in and now both are socially unaccepted because they weren't allowed to hang with the pack and don't have many friends aside from losers. One dated the most beta of the beta I have ever seen and genuinely "loved" him for 6 months. Neither of necessarily know exactly how to handle it since he's a single parent who works 6 days a week and I'm at college/at work/at gym as well. There's nothing positive in America that is helping girls become desirable for anything more than a fling.

          On the note of capitalism essentially selling them a quick fix, whether it be beauty or sex appeal is also very well put. It's quite obvious the big business support this feminist liberal movement because it allows them to maximize profit to the absolute max. Morals completely out the window.

          As it relates to myself personally, I'm in an engineering major at a small mostly male school, and completely surrounded by men who for the most part, are largely checked out to society who quite honestly do not care about essentially ANYTHING besides their coursework or what happened last night on their favorite video game. I work for a company on an internship with one of these guys, and essentially he cannot even hold a conversation about ANYTHING other than work or school related topics.

          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (10 children)

          I work for a company on an internship with one of these guys, and essentially he cannot even hold a conversation about ANYTHING other than work or school related topics.

          I know the type. They usually have next to fuck all social skills. They don't have much of a life. So Call of Duty and studies is pretty much the limit of their conversational ability. It's sad.

          [–]PM_Me_For_Drugs 2 points3 points  (7 children)

          That's what happens when you make society largely inhospitable to the men who won't willingly be subjugated - The weak, the overspecialized, the opinionless are given a cozy dog bed to sleep on. Men who won't lie down at their masters' feet are left out in the cold, trod on, vilified.

          Don't get me wrong, women will still fuck that second group of dudes out of instinct... In the long run though, they'll go for a BP they can control and browbeat and shake down for $$$.

          [–]ROIVeritas 2 points3 points  (6 children)

          Men who won't lie down at their masters' feet are left out in the cold, trod on, vilified.

          Holy friggin crap. This made the sun shine through the dense fog.

          [–]PM_Me_For_Drugs 1 point2 points  (5 children)

          We forget that we're essentially pack animals; our social hierarchy is far more primitive than any of us would like to admit.

          [–]ROIVeritas 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          I do admit most people are afraid to stray from comfort of the herd, but the few who do strike out, find it free. I been living a life of solitude for some time, just to see what it would be like. When I was in the herd, I got nothing. Now I left the herd and I'm learning a bit of everything. And this was about for the last 4-5 years. It's incredible how right Einstein was.

          "We cannot solve a problem in the same mindet we were in when the problem was created."

          So I checked out for awhile, much to the dismay of family, friends, gfs, etc. They constantly try to pull me back, when you take the red pill, people who look up to you will still try to follow, but they aren't resolved enough. They lack the courage of true convictions. You're no fun to others if you can't be tricked. You're of no use to others if you can't be used.

          RP theories began flying into my head so fast all I could do was laugh. I was too immediately overwhelmed to be angry. I was more angry with myself than anything, for not grasping it fully early on in my years of self betterment.

          [–]PM_Me_For_Drugs 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          I was more angry with myself than anything, for not grasping it fully early on

          Preach. I've been struggling with this myself the past year.


          WARNING, WALL-OF-TEXT AHEAD


          I had a 5 year LTR end last year when I was very publicly cheated on... I got her a lucrative job at my parents' company and she proceeded to gossip with everyone there about how dissatisfied she was with our relationship, ended up fucking one of her coworkers within the first week.

          I fell into a horrible slump for an entire year. I slowly realized that being raised by a feminist mom had finally taken its toll on me.

          When that 5 year LTR started, my ex was doing everything she could to win me over - freaky sex, buying me shit, bringing me food at work, with basically no reciprocation on my part. I told her we were FWB for almost a year, and during that time she fought so hard for my affection that I finally relented and called it a relationship. Started treating her like an equal, doing things for her sometimes.

          BIG FUCKING MISTAKE. Looking back now, that's where the balance of power shifted and she began taking me for granted, then resenting me, and finally acting like a bratty rebellious daughter, etc.

          My mom (when I finally folded and introduced her to my "girlfriend") was very approving: "Oh what a sweet boyfriend you turned out to be," ... And of course she'd think that - she left my Dad for a wealthier man when I was 2 years old. My stepdad is pretty much the definition of cuckold, she puts him down all the time in front of people, and he gives the impression that he begs for sex.

          For some reason though, even though I had compartmentalized knowledge of all this and could see the facts individually, the greater context escaped me.


          When I confronted my ex about cheating, she (after the predictable denials) says "Well yeah I did but I've been feeling like this was over for 6 months anyway".

          That was news to me, man. She'd given absolutely no warning.

          I was crushed. Started to blame myself.

          I watched some of our mutual friends drift more towards hanging out with her... she would get on social media and heavily imply how much better her life was without me (70+ likes) ... I stayed in my pit of failure and despair and sincerely started to wonder if maybe I had somehow been the asshole all along.

          Eventually I realized that I'd fucked up the moment I let this girl "win me over". She was a punk rock chick with a semi-whorey past and I should have seen the forest for the trees and left her a FWB. Instead I let her leech off of my finances, connections and personality until she was as full as a tick, and then she unceremoniously cut me loose.

          In the wake of her cheating / leaving me so publicly, my ever-helpful mother says "She's not the girl I thought she was" (NAWALT) and something just clicked... I had known all along, I just chose to ignore the warnings in favor of all the sex and attention and catering to my ego.

          I had walked right into a minefield and ignored the signs and fences, because I had been programmed to trust what women say instead of examining the situation objectively and realizing it was a bad long-term investment.

          I had tried to turn a hoe into a housewife. All the rap lyrics I'd ever heard on the subject came back to haunt me for a while.

          When I found RP it was like this huge wave of relief washing over me - I wasn't crazy, I didn't hate women, I had just been playing the game by the wrong set of rules and paid the chump price.

          [–]ROIVeritas 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          I wasn't crazy, I didn't hate women, I had just been playing the game by the wrong set of rules and paid the chump price.

          And if you lose at a game where you don't have the manual, it's not only no fun.. it's not your fault.

          [–]YourShadowScholar 1 point2 points  (6 children)

          How are women used up through sex? I've never witnessed this happening. Like what happens exactly?

          [–]elderscrollsrichard 0 points1 point  (8 children)

          Unrelated to this thread (but part of the improvement drive this place brings out in me), could you give me some advice regarding writing?

          I really admire the way you put together and explain complex ideas. I consider myself a very well read person, but my social circle doesn't let me use my vocabulary since everyone I spend time with right now, either lacks the knowledge to discuss, or just doesn't want to spend time talking about things that don't pertain to our day to day struggle.

          1. I want to write (and fill that void a meaningful conversation helps with), but I have problems with finding ideas to write about.
          2. Any tips that you could share with me to improve my writing skills?

          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (7 children)

          I really admire the way you put together and explain complex ideas.

          Thanks. Normally adhering to Machiavellian rules I'd act like it's no big deal and that I just shit great ideas and eloquence out of my ass, but seeing as I want to help you I'll drop the veil. It takes a lot of hard fucking work, dedication, practice, editing, passion and more editing. Of course I did have some raw talent, but that talent has to be refined. Just like oil doesn't get out of the ground and into your car by itself, a natural linguist doesn't become a great writer without putting pen to pad or finger to key.

          I want to write (and fill that void a meaningful conversation helps with), but I have problems with finding ideas to write about.

          Strange, because you said:

          I consider myself a very well read person

          A lot of what I say expounds upon what I have read in books. You should not plagiarise if you want to build up a reputation as a writer, but if you can develop ideas further, refine them or reinterpret them to fit different perspectives etc then it essentially becomes unique enough to be your work. Part of a writer's job is to be a good thinker and to be able to think in many different ways. Sometimes I actually debate people on TRP from viewpoints I don't agree with. Not only does that make it harder for people to work me out/discern the person behind the keyboard, but it helps keep my mind on point for brainstorming ideas. Whenever I get a good idea pop into my head I write it down before it's gone. I try to add as much detail as possible so when I come to pick it up later I don't look at it and think "WTF was I thinking? This makes no sense."

          I don't plan what I write if I'm not basing it on something I've read. I'm an impulsive type. I find as I write, I start with only a few points. Then as I refine those points and more nuance creeps in synoptically introducing more points, which leads to more points etc. Eventually I have enough points to make a full essay/concept/framework and struggle to wrap it all up within a reasonable word limit. A case in point where using the work of others to give you a creative kick in the ass is this article for example: http://illimitablemen.com/2013/12/10/law-01-never-outshine-the-master-exemplified-and-explained/

          It uses the 48 laws of power book as a springboard for analysis and was my basis for brainstorming the ideas and methodologies both similar to and absent from the book. Of course it helped I had life experiences to draw from in relation to the topic I was talking about too. That article goes further than the book it is based upon does by refining points and exploring aspects of the article's premise which the book did not. That book and it's writer were the influence for that text, it would have been more difficult for me to come up with that without them. They serve their utility, but ultimately it's a predecessor text which inspired my work. If I chose to sell that piece would it be plagiarism? No. It is unique enough and different enough from the piece that influenced it to be deemed original. Now if you copy and paste and just change words around, there's a strong case for plagiarism to be made. When you come up with fresh ideas/methodologies/angles, there isn't.

          Any tips that you could share with me to improve my writing skills?

          Write a lot. Practice makes perfect (OK it won't make you perfect, but it'll get you nearer to perfect.) If you check out my early posts (like articles 1-20 on http://illimitablemen.com/archives) the prose sucks compared to what I produce now. The ideas are solid but the delivery is subpar. I am having to retroactively go through and edit them now, but balancing that with real life commitments and posting new content is taxing on my free time. Also, be descriptive, use alliteration to help flow, be dramatic (but don't lie) in titles, try not to use too many adverbial's (a personal pitfall.) Don't sweat being verbose (I used to get a lot of hate for it) but don't be so superfluous you end up with tautologies (then you just look stupid and try hard.)

          Writing is a craft/art like any other. You will get better as you keep doing it. And assholes on the internet will put you down and show no respect for your efforts because of how you presented an idea in paragraph 3 or whatever. The internet really provokes perfectionists, pedants and autists to come out of the woodwork and have a good crack. Sometimes these assholes don't tell you how to improve what you did. Sometimes they do. When they do, check language rules on Google and if they're right, thank them. Remember a writer never becomes bigger than what he writes - the writings create the reputation and they are what is appreciated, the writer himself is just a conduit for artistic expression. Basically, don't get too big for your boots. People don't like writers who think they're better than their readers and make that obvious. Even if it's factually true, nobody likes a snob. People tend not to read people they don't like in the absence of a revolutionary idea or methodology being explored. Of course not every you write is going to be a magnum opus.

          Also, use http://hemingwayapp.com - great little editor.

          I'm sure there's more, but that's about all I can think of right now. Take care.

          Edit: extend your vocabulary by noting down words you haven't seen before and internalising their meaning. Then use them in your own work. When people don't know wtf a single word was but understand the context, they'll Google the word. That way you passively force people to become more literate. It's what I do. My way of reversing the trend in the degeneracy of language usage. Machiavellian to the end. Muehueheuehue. As a side note: it's also good at weeding out the lazy retards. When they see a bunch of "big words" they'll nope the fuck out, then you don't have to moderate their irrational but obnoxious spam comments. Win-win! "Smart sounding words" or "big words" as they like to call 'em are like kryptonite to lazy/close-minded types. They work well as a filtering mechanism. The person can either get on board and try to get smarter (prescribing to the self-improvement ethos) or they can take their bad attitude and fuck off. Never write like a retard to appeal to the lowest common denominator, it's the bane of refining one's art.

          [–]elderscrollsrichard 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Mate, don't get this wrong but If I had to put up a list of people I admire, you'd be on it.

          I want to reply to your first point. I consider myself well read because I've been devouring books since I was three years old. Most of them were fiction, so if I had to put together a list of all the books I've read (and I am sure it would be couple thousand long), actually meaningful books would be a small percentage (say 10%). Something to work on. I hope this part didn't come out as me bragging.

          Don't know if you're familiar with this website: https://750words.com/ (the idea is you write two pages or about 750 words of text every day). I used it for a while but pretty soon found myself out of things to write about.

          Thank you very much for this. I really did not expect a response this extensive.

          Edit: Forgive me for any grammar mistakes, English is not my first language.

          [–]Oh_FuFu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Sign your daughters up for the tests guyz.