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[–]dsade 39 points40 points  (1 child)

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And worse...when they think all they have to do is bring the pussy and lie there.

[–]VinylGuy420 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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I hate when I go out with a girl and I'm the one making the attempt to have a conversation. I say funny things, she smiles or laughs, but doesn't continue the conversation. Then gets mad when I don't talk. Women like that act like we're entertainment.

"Entertain me tonight, along with a free dinner and you're eyes may have a small chance of being graced by my naked perfection!"

...I'll pass thank you.

[–]DeckofLuckyStrikes 134 points135 points  (3 children)

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Merry Christmas.

[–]Elonine[S] 32 points33 points  (2 children)

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You too, man! Good luck with your family!

[–]DeckofLuckyStrikes 31 points32 points  (1 child)

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Your dad sounds like a level headed dude. Good luck to you too.

[–]MrStinky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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I second this!

[–]ajswdf 101 points102 points  (1 child)

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He went on to tell me that if the only thing a woman has to offer is sex, she isn't special.

I bet there are a lot of people who would find this offensive, even though this is what feminism is supposed to be about. Somehow "we should treat men and women equally" has morphed into "all women have value beyond sex". The fact is that women (and men) are only valuable if they have value.

[–]rapreaper 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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I was about to raise a similar point but I saw that you had done so first. I know this is not meant to be offensive. The only thing his father is trying to say is that having relationships with women isn't any superior to having friendships with fellow men (unlike what blue pillers are led to believe) except for the sex and baby production. Most feminists and women however would find it offensive even if it is not.

[–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 48 points49 points  (34 children)

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My dad started sharing the TRP wisdom with me when I went through my divorce.

A few years too late, but better late than never I suppose.

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      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 55 points56 points  (13 children)

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      I was about as unknowingly RP as a person could be. I was a very successful swordsman who gave zero fucks.

      Then for some stupid reason, I decided that what I was doing was meaningless and shallow. Getting laid got so easy for me I got jaded. I had a reputation and the attitude to match, and just about every chick I took out or met out would just throw it at me. It was like they expected me to fuck them at the conclusion of whatever it was we were doing - and I was actually getting insulted by the fact that chicks just wanted to fuck me. (Boy was I dumb)

      Then I met my ex-wife. I was 26. We hit it off - right off the bat - and for some reason it got serious very, very quickly. I thought it was great. I felt I was ready for something different. Maybe it was time.

      I remember it was New Year's eve. The ex and I were partying and the sex got hotter and heavier than normal. I was hitting it from behind like I was trying to kill it and she moaned like I had never heard before (or ever since quite frankly). It was so damn good I let it ride instead of pulling it out and spraying her down. Aaaaand she got pregnant with our daughter.

      I "manned up" and faced her family and told them we were going to get married. They were ecstatic because I was the first BF of hers they ever met who wasn't tatted up with long hair and no future (and the only one since). Literally, I'm the only guy who ever gave my ex the time of day more than the pump and dump who had anything going for him. The ex loves loser bad boys - I'm talking no job having complete lost causes.

      Once I got with her I changed. I told myself I was maturing. No more chasing tail, got all about business, worked hard, was totally committed.

      The engagement was great. She treated me like a prince, but I kid you not, the moment I put the ring on her finger and said I DO she did a 180. It was literally like You're my bitch now. She went from dream girl to turbo cunt literally overnight - like I just married Sybil. If I didn't fall in line and do exactly what she said, she was sure to make me pay - and pay dearly. For almost 7 years of my life, I was told I was stupid and incapable in one way or another each and every day. No matter what I did to overcome it and feel at least like an equal partner in the marriage, she defeated. She knew exactly how to hurt me and had no stop button, no limit. After 7 years of that I was shot the fuck out. I turned to heavy drinking and infidelity to try to medicate the pain of this nightmare of a marriage. That didn't help. Actually all it did was just piss her off and make it worse. The ex is a control freak. The fact that she couldn't control me fucking enraged her (still does). My indiscretions were like providing her the key to her hateful inner self. She had a reason now to let the monster out of the cage.

      It was fucking traumatic and eight years later I'm still trying to make some sense of it so I can deal with her with the kids. I come to TRP thinking I can gain some more insight and handle dealing with her. I'm discovering there is no secret formula. At this point, I'm resigned to thinking that you can't negotiate with that amount of blind rage and hatred. There's absolutely nothing I can do to create civility for the kid's sake.

      Nothing.

      I'm finding that TRP philosophy is doing wonders for my second marriage. My second wife is happy as a clam. I get sex whenever I want. It's all good. So TRP has helped me really kick my marriage into the next gear. The shit works in that regard. However, as far as the ex is concerned, there's a pathology there that defies the conventional TRP wisdom.

      This is why I often say dudes need to have a filter to recognize the good from the bad. In my experience, there's some chicken shit you can never turn into chicken salad. There are some women so fucked up they are beyond reach. Thinking that somehow you can make it work to your advantage if only you work the TRP magic is a fool's paradise. With some crazy bitches, you just have to learn how to read, recognize and move on quickly. Pump and dump. There's not a cookie cutter approach - no one ring to rule them all. You need to decipher whether you have some clay you can mold - or a rock you just need to pitch in the river.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedSunBlue 15 points16 points  (12 children)

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      I rarely read long, non-top level comments, but this one was compellingly brutal.

      I was the first BF of hers they ever met who wasn't tatted up with long hair and no future (and the only one since). Literally, I'm the only guy who ever gave my ex the time of day more than the pump and dump who had anything going for him. The ex loves loser bad boys - I'm talking no job having complete lost causes.

      This wasn't a red flag at the time?

      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 17 points18 points  (11 children)

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      Absolutely. I won't deny it. However this is 16 years ago too.

      Here are more red flags:

      *Only child of a divorced mom

      *More than 16 sexual partners prior to our meeting (probably many more)

      *Dad moved out of state after divorcing mom when she was young

      *Lies when the truth will do

      *Believes honesty and genuineness is for fools

      *Her mom has had 2 failed marriages and currently lives alone

      *Just about everyone on her side of the family is divorced

      I could go on.

      Yeah, so there were a shit ton of warning signs that I ignored. I know what I did wrong. The million dollar question is how do I deal with this fucking trainwreck now? My current answer is to walk completely away, because the conflict is harmful for both me and the kids.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

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      Please don't walk away from your kids. They need you.

      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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      It was not a decision made overnight to be sure, but she's now made 5 attempts at jailing me over false claims - 3 of the attempts she put my young son in front of police officers and made him corroborate her false claims. A year ago, he was Baker-acted into a treatment facility by his school for verbalizing to a resource officer that he wanted to die and tried to run into traffic outside the school. They kept him there for 3 days. Her latest attempt at trying to have me jailed was last September. She took him to child protection services and had him interviewed. Of course the charges were again unfounded. I yelled at him for refusing to cooperate at the dentist, where he was acting out. Apparently, that was cause in her mind to call the police.

      I've been fighting her for years to try and get him off meds - she's got jacked up on speed to control him. I've had to fight her for years to prevent her from getting him diagnosed with autism. I took him to the most reputable child psychiatrist in town who told me definitively that he does not have autism. I asked for her to be a part of that process - she refused. I presented that information to her - she ignored it. What he has is adjustment reaction anxiety disorder - with oppositional and defiance. He's a prime candidate for conduct disorder. What he needs most of all is for mom and dad to get along, but the ex doesn't care. All she knows is her hatred of me.

      And of course - you can guess - the ex is a kindergarten teacher. No surprise there right?

      The crux of the problem is that my ex is a parental alienator. She's manipulating the kids to get them to hate me. She has put them squarely into the middle of our conflict and has forced them to choose a side. The effect of this is causing them all kinds of psychological problems - which she blames on my drinking that happened when they were younger than 5 years old. They are now teenagers.

      My ex wife is a real sicko. With her there is no taboo. There's no line of decency. She'll use anything at her disposal to get what she wants - and what she wants is for me to be either dead or in jail because she can't get over the fact that I cheated during our marriage.

      The more I fight for the kids, the worse she gets, the more she manipulates them and causes them harm. Since the courts won't do anything to stop her, I have decided to remove myself from the situation hoping that removing the conflict will mitigate the harmful behavior.

      It's a nightmare situation.

      [–]user_none 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      I am truly sorry to hear you are going through such a nightmare and even more so that your kids have been on the horrific ride with you. I know it all too well having a vindictive and manipulative ex.

      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I've had to put it all in the right perspective. There's no two ways around it - I've endured some heartache and pain.

      However, I'm not going to let the situation ruin my life. I'm a survivor. I have learned much from my experience. I'm going to press forward and continue to seize control over my life.

      I can't control what the ex does. What I can control is myself. I'm just not going to be a party to her insanity any longer.

      [–]riskrowe 5 points6 points  (5 children)

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      If nothing else, they need you to protect them from becoming like their mother.

      [–]MagicGainbow 5 points6 points  (4 children)

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      You assume he has any real choice in the matter.

      [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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      The only two choices is to:

      1) Return to the courts. I've been through that mockery of justice long enough. It's a pay to play game - and the price tag for my overcoming this nightmare in the now is roughly $80-100K. My daughter's in high school and my son soon will be. I'm not shelling out that kind of cash for another year plus of counseling and court trials, when I know the ex will just continue to tell the kids I'm a POS who's trying to take them away from her.

      2) Sit back and wait for the ex's situation to self-destruct. The ex is a broke joke with a life-long credit card/shopping obsession and her live in boyfriend hasn't had a job in the 4 years he's lived in the former marital home. He doesn't have two pennies to rub together - he's completely assed out worthless - not a pot to piss in other than a limited amount of personal possessions he's been selling off to keep her happy. If my child support were to cease, they all would be in the street shortly afterwards.

      Soon the kids will need things, like a car, college tuition, etc... and they will eventually come to me. I keep communicating to them "The door is always open" in birthday cards, XMAS cards, texts and the occasional letter delivered to their schools. I understand they can't "betray" their mother by being close to me and my family, but eventually they are going want things mom can't afford. When they start asking for such things, and when mom says no - they are going to look over at the jobless loser boyfriend and realize that mom is paying for his shit and not theirs. The shit is going to hit the fan. It's going to get ugly. I expect an eventual realization on my kids' part that mom is not without fault - and as they grow more into adulthood - that mom robbed them of the love they could have gotten from dad, their brother, aunts, uncles, grandma and grandpa as children.

      There's going to be turmoil, and at the same time they'll know dad and his wife and half-brother live on waterfront - in a big house with a pool - with luxury cars parked in the garage. If they want something, all they have to do is humbly ask.

      I could buy a car for my daughter cash right now - and afford the insurance - no sweat. No chance my ex-wife could even dream of affording that - no chance.

      So my ex has built up this huge house of cards predicated on lies. It hurts now that I am estranged presently from my kids, but I have a long term vision. The ex is a pea-brained education major moron who thinks she's "won". What she doesn't realize is that she's creating a future for herself where her adult children won't respect her. In her warped brain, she believes she'll be able to bullshit them and everyone else indefinitely. She's wrong. She's not as smart as she thinks she is. She's got a few years left and then she'll have to make it without child support. Her situation is a time bomb. Her only hope is to dump the loser boyfriend and con some beta sucker into supporting her, but she's already 41. She ain't getting any younger or prettier. She'll never be able to lock a dude with money down. That hasn't exactly been a strength of hers over her entire life. She's fucked. All she's got is the house I gave her and the pittance retirement fund she's getting as a teacher. After the loser boyfriend situation she's in comes to a head, she'll be destined to live alone - just like her cunt mother.

      I'm just going to sit back and bide my time.

      [–]TheStoneyVibes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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      Yeah i did that too with my kids mom. The older brother and mother being single shitty parents should have red flagged for me but i was a foolish bluepill. Fastforward two years and shes never so much as kicked over a cent for my daughter. She just comes and sees her whenever she wants, while i work shitty overnights cause its good money.

      [–]Doctor_Mayhem 10 points11 points  (16 children)

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      I know about this, first hand. Dad is a Boomer, and he didn't share his red pill knowledge due to three factors: 1. He was a natural, so couldn't really explain it. 2. He came from a time and place (1970s and 80s South), where women were still mostly traditional and not feral. 3. He is a devout Christian and didn't want his son to turn into a womanizing 'scumbag' like he was. Religion has a lot to do with why fathers don't share such advice with sons. They think that by teaching their sons to be respectful white knights, that they can somehow skip the process of wading through the sluts, and somehow find that good woman on their first try.

      [–]Terry_Bruce_Dick 19 points20 points  (13 children)

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      I'm convinced that religion is the worst thing to happen to men, ever.

      [–]KnopflerisGod 15 points16 points  (9 children)

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      I take my faith seriously, but find myself thinking this more and more every year.

      [–]snwborder52 7 points8 points  (4 children)

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      It took me a decade to realize all the harm my faith did to me. The idea of Grace, that you are inherently flawed and unworthy of love but God decides he will love you anyway, is incredibly toxic. Fuck that. I'm worthy of love because I exist. All humans are.

      It's not even a logic / existence of god problem. If you want to believe in a higher being that's fine. But don't place your own self worth on something outside yourself.

      You should treat people well because you have compassion for them as fellow human beings, not because you're supposed to.

      That's what Jesus what trying to teach us. Modern Christianity is so far removed from what Jesus taught it's absurd.

      [–]Doctor_Mayhem 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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      "Fuck that. I'm worthy of love because I exist. All humans are."

      That's some egalitarian fallacy, right there. You are NOT worthy of love, simply because you are one of the many pukes born on this dirtball. God shouldn't love something just because it exists. Do you love something because it exists? Of course not. All things must be earned.

      [–]snwborder52 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      Why not? How do you earn something that is freely given?

      Being worthy of love is a decision you make yourself. You either decide that you are or you aren't.

      This doesn't mean someone has to show you love all the time, or that everyone will love you, or that you can demand love from someone. But when it is shown, you deserve it because you exist. No other reason.

      All life has value.

      Edit: how do you earn liberty? Free will? The love of a child? Natural rights?

      Not everything in this world is earned. It is only a function of our capitalist society that had commodified almost everything that it is even possible to earn most things.

      [–]Doctor_Mayhem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Things that are given, must be maintained, else it gets lost or stolen. Free will and liberty? The modern age is proof of how it must be earned and maintained through continued struggle, else the degenerates will lobby for you to lose it. The love of a child? How is that freely given? Fail as a parent, and that love goes away, and rightly so. Natural rights? Even God says that they may be stripped away when people prove unworthy of them.

      Just like our nation. It is our birthright, and we let it slip away. Since this is turning into a religious discussion, it goes the same with Grace and God's love. Weev said it best, "Jesus is not your therapist, God is not your friend." Grace is given freely, but it is taken away when people don't earn it, and when people squander it.

      [–]Elonine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      The idea of Grace, that you are inherently flawed and unworthy of love but God decides he will love you anyway, is incredibly toxic.

      I've thought this many times. It's a hard battle to win.

      [–]Terry_Bruce_Dick 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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      And I don't mean my comment to necessarily be an attack on faith. There's certainly people of faith who dispute the tenants that do great harm to men. And that's not to discount the harm that religions have done to women over the years either.

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        [–]Terry_Bruce_Dick 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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        I believe there's a way to convince people that perhaps they are mistaken about their beliefs, but just pissing on them and belittling them is not it.

        [–]Doctor_Mayhem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        It can be, but on the other hand, despite what liberal 'scholars' say, it actually did advance civilization. If for no other reason, than the fact that good religion is an excellent bitch control device.

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          [–]Tiny_Kitt3n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          I think it's just that by the time you get to your 60s you (hopefully) have more wisdom to share than you did when you were 30 or 40. Unfortunately that means we grew up without the benefit of that wisdom or maybe they just held onto it until we were "old enough to understand" or something.

          [–]mydarkmeatrises 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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          What your dad says is a thought I've often had. Many think that they should have nothing more to offer than sex and you should just do whatever they want because they have given you sex.

          [–]LMS_THEORY_ 21 points22 points  (3 children)

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          Is he unknowingly RP? What an advantage it must be to have a RP dad

          [–]Elonine[S] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

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          Yeah, but like i said: I wish he had started sharing this knowledge when I was a kid, instead of now that I'm an adult and already learning it myself!

          My dad kind of a badass, though.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Can confirm. My dad is RP and instilled RP beliefs with me as I was growing up (age appropriate of course).

          [–]Possumsgrease 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          your dad seems to be very wise

          [–]10J18R1A 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          Go to gonewild. Drink for every post that says that they are the prettiest girl in the whole wide world. Understand at that point why every woman thinks they're an exclusive special snowflake. Even the overweight fifty five year old drunken flabby biker chick has options.

          [–]PrincipalBlackman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          old man wisdom

          [–]Qeshuns 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Pure genius. It's a brilliant distillation of a good portion of the RP mindset. Hats off to you and yours, good sir. Feliz Navidad.

          [–]NotMeUsee 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          I remember once my dad said "Young girls are only good for one thing, dont get one pregnant or you will be paying for it for 18 years". Only redpill advice I ever got. Man was he right.

          [–]Elonine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          When i started dating in high school, my dad called me up and said "Don't do anything stupid. If you ARE gonna do something, don't be stupid about it!"

          [–]1johnnight 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          Well, my friend bought his wife a car. Woman has vagina, gets car.

          If you think about it, it's absurd. No other man would buy me a car. I have to work for it. And if he bought me a car because I have a penis, I would be terrified.

          [–]kazizza 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          Dude, if you are good-looking and know the right people...another man will buy you a car, no problem.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Your dad just said quote of the year.

          [–]tyrone-shoelaces 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          It's all part of the culture today; extreme vanity, extreme narcissism. Everybody thinks they're better looking than they are. Every dude has either a shaved head and a goatee, or a permanent five-o-clock shadow. Most of the women look like whores. Really. There is no natural beauty anymore. Everyone's tuned in 24/7 to their phone, the web and the TV, all feeding from the same trough, all drinking the same koolaid. Not an original thought in the bunch...

          [–]Rhythm825 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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          Once you realize that all women can offer you is a place to put your semen on or in it will all click.

          [–]ManofProto -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

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          No offence, but it sounds like your father is bitter about his divorce.