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[–]PolegarVermelho 112 points113 points  (4 children)

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This is side bar material. Thanks, IllimitableMan.

From the Halo Effect wikipedia link:

Kaplan’s 1978 study yielded much of the same results as are seen in other studies focusing on the halo effect—attractive individuals were rated high in qualities such as creativity, intelligence, and sensitivity than unattractive individuals. However, in addition to these results Kaplan found that women were influenced by the halo effect on attractiveness only when presented with members of the opposite sex. When presented with an attractive member of the same sex, women actually tended to rate the individual lower on socially desirable qualities.[23] Dermer and Thiel continue this line of research, going on to demonstrate that jealousy of an attractive individual could be a major factor in evaluation of that person. Their work shows this to be more prevalent among females than males, with females describing physically attractive women as having socially undesirable traits.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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Their work shows this to be more prevalent among females than males, with females describing physically attractive women as having socially undesirable traits.

Honestly, I find the more attractive a person is, the general trend is their personality suffers. I'd say this is just a case of women knowing women.

[–]10pack 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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It's only logical. Looking pretty is work.

[–]FEMINAZISCUM -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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Their work shows this to be more prevalent among females than males, with females describing physically attractive women as having socially undesirable traits.

This comes down to sexual competition as men value looks more than women do when it comes to sexual partners

[–]AllYouCanEatRedPills 40 points41 points  (32 children)

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There's more women in education than men now. Think about that shit for a second. The system has been set up against you, pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

So many of our generation would have benefited from understanding this 10 years ago.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 40 points41 points  (31 children)

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Yeah, I went to university but a few years later as I didn't know this shit when I was younger. I was pretty unfocused and unmotivated in my teenage years. I had to struggle and scrape to get where I am, university didn't fall into my lap via a feminised curriculum and affirmative action for the protected class (white women.)

The other smart red pill guys I know in my life (red pill because they keep it real, none of them visit this subreddit) none of them are at university. All of them HATED the classroom environment despite all LOVING to learn and acquire knowledge, they couldn't practice the patience and detachedness and tolerance for unfairness in the educational environment like I can and they did not like the hierarchy, prevalence of female teachers and all kinds of things. They felt like they couldn't reach their potential in education, so they dropped out as they felt education "wasn't for them" and it's not really is it? Education is a fucking gynocracy nowadays. I know these guys are indicative of a subset of the population, none of these guys know each other, we're not a joint social group and yet they all demonstrate similar issues and aversions with the system, sure it's an anecdote but you can cross reference this with guys all over the internet, I'm sure.

They're all really smart guys who, if educated, would blow the average bitch/nerdy beta boy I saw at uni straight out of the water, these are some seriously wise motherfuckers with potential but due to the toxic nature of the social environment they're subjected to in education they simply want nothing to do with that noise and rather work as soon as possible to get their independence, earning enough money to set up their own start-ups rather than "tolerate the system" by being self-made men. I notice the trend, they want nothing to do with the system, they all opt to be self-made, I see that shit with red pill guys all the time, whereas bluepill guys are happy to go do a computer science degree or social science and get talked to like they have no balls day in and day out.

The education system is completely blue pill but the higher up the ladder you go the more truly wise people you meet. University is a very blue pill institution but you will meet some fucking smart motherfuckers there who like you, see through all the bullshit. Blend in, network and get your grades, its training for when you're in the bluepill corporate world until you reach such a time you can self-sustain off independent enterprise/business efforts should you be that way inclined.

[–]AllYouCanEatRedPills 19 points20 points  (3 children)

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They're all really smart guys who, if educated, would blow the average bitch/nerdy beta boy I see at uni straight out of the water, these are some seriously wise motherfuckers with potential but due to the toxic nature of the social environment they simply want nothing to do with that and rather work, earn money and set up their own start-ups rather than "tolerate the system."

Let's call them "The Exiles."

I'm one of them.

[–]Ahabh 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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Ditto.

[–]t21spectre 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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Same here

[–]RockAndRaul 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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Yep, me too. Can't stand school, I want to join the military, save my money and move to Alaska.

[–]AllYouCanEatRedPills 27 points28 points  (19 children)

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its training for when you're in the bluepill corporate world until you reach such a time you can self-sustain off independent enterprise/business efforts should you be that way inclined.

I'm nearing the end of my bluepill corporate phase. Prepare yourself for workplace hags who won't stop bugging you until you date one of their friends.

Dating a female co-worker (or anyone with social connections to one) is a lose/lose scenario for a guy, and a win/win scenario for both women.

They'll lean on you for all kinds of shit, and you have nowhere to socially escape from their bullshit.

It's best to fake that you have a girlfriend, even if you don't. Women don't tolerate single men in their circles for any length of time.

[–]SgtBrutalisk 13 points14 points  (2 children)

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Women don't tolerate single men in their circles for any length of time.

I was thinking about this as well, perhaps it's because it ruins their illusion that "men need us to be happy"?

[–]AllYouCanEatRedPills 22 points23 points  (0 children)

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I think this is an important part of it. I think women are genuinely terrified of the thought of men not needing them. To the point that they will lash out in anger at the source of their fear manifested in physical form.

Women are genuinely terrified of being single, so when they see you enjoying it it really pushes their buttons.

If you want to see a group of women turn into a bunch of miserable, insufferable harpies, tell them that you're single, loving life, and happier that way. They'll want you dead.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 13 points14 points  (14 children)

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It's best to fake that you have a girlfriend, even if you don't. Women don't tolerate single men in their circles for any length of time.

That's good advice, I wonder why that is? Too much of a DLV? I would think if you're good looking and earning bucks it wouldn't really matter which is why it fascinates me that they act this way. It's like a single guy is a threat if he's not a provider to them in some way or something. Fucked up, something I don't understand.

[–]AllYouCanEatRedPills 25 points26 points  (7 children)

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I think it's something women aren't really consciously aware of, or even admit to themselves. They have a subconscious assumption that you just need them, and that they're doing you a favor. It doesn't occur to them that you might be happier without them.

If you were a farmer, struggling to make ends meet, and one day you found a horse on the road, with no owner, you'd take it back to your farm and put it to work. You'd probably think, "Hey, the horse needs a home, and my field needs plowing."

I think this is the essence of how women look at single men. To them, you're a horse on the road without a field to plow, and they're doing you a favor by putting you to work.

In other words, they view men, categorically, as female property.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (5 children)

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They under no circumstances want to hear that a man doesn't really care if he has a girlfriend or not. When I've been single women are always trying to bait me into saying how unhappy or ill franchised I am with the situation, they want me to say "Oh, I wish I could find the one". But no, because I genuinely don't feel that way.

I don't know if its just an age thing but the single version of myself is actually a better version of myself. I don't look at those in relationships with admiration I look at them kind of with a sense of pity, or whatever the term for viewing someone who is losing their self respect.

They really do not want to hear that you want to be single. If you even think of mentioning this they will make it their mission to take you down a few notches.

[–]AllYouCanEatRedPills 20 points21 points  (4 children)

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Women loathe being single, so seeing you enjoy it really pushes their buttons.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

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I have noticed this. Being single is not an option for most women, they'll do basically anything to avoid it. Thats what they have their guy friends or the even less reliable guy that might hit on them but has never gotten their phone number but she has him on hold when she breaks up friends for.

I really do think women consciously plan even in happy relationships for the day it may end. They have guys lined up so they never have to spend more than 2 days alone. Ive never had a girlfriend that hasn't been with another guy within 2 weeks of separation. Which is why I never understand guys calling their exs trying to get them back, buddy, she's already 'moved on'.

But I'll never understand why they do this? What is so bad about being single? I get to focus on work, sleep and my own interests. It either says something about me, or the relationships I get in that whenever they end after the initial pain dies down i'm usually far far happier.

[–]BluepillProfessor 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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It is not mystery. Women get MANY more advantages from a relationship than men. OF COURSE the default mode is to snag another workhorse for the sisterhood.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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Its true. Relationships not only provide them with emotional support but usually financial support.

When a male wants to be single its because he wants to save money

[–]SgtBrutalisk 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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Women instinctively want to be taken care of, so to speak. So maybe, a relationship provides them with that fuzzy, indistinct feeling of "yay, I'm taken care of"? I mean, when I read female subreddits on Christmas, New Year's Eve or Valentine's day, it's a Niagara of tears. When will you see men posting like that, outside of "forever alone.jpg" (which is a unisex meme)?

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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That's an interesting concept you have there, quite ironic in these feminist times!

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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It's like a single guy is a threat if he's not a provider to them in some way or something. Fucked up, something I don't understand.

Women cannot abide a man enjoying his own wealth and not transferring it to another woman.

[–]1independentmale 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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Too much of a DLV?

Nah, just cultivate a bit of a bad boy who can't be tied down image. Best thing I did for my career was divorce my wife, party with younger, single girls, and tell my married, male coworkers all about it.

[–]thegorechild 14 points15 points  (1 child)

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I've been experiencing this pressure first-hand. My male boss, male co-workers, married female co-workers. All of them ask the bullshit question, "When are you getting married?" or "Why aren't you married yet?" with a shit eating grin on their face.

I can't explain to these people who have had sex with two maybe 3 people tops how it actually is. My favorite thing to tell people when I stop giving a fuck is "I'd rather fucking pay."

[–]AllYouCanEatRedPills 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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I've done this before, and being honest with people about your single status usually backfires.

Married people are mostly miserable, but they tell themselves constantly that they're happy.

Seeing you, single and happy, breaks their illusion, and they will often take it out on you with a vengeance.

It's better to lie and pretend you're as miserable as they are. I actually amuse myself with this game.

[–]Snivellious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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AllYouCanEat makes an interesting point, but I'd like to toss out a different justification. I think that, subconsciously, it's because women are scared of this state of affairs.

If a successful, single guy sees that he has time, money, and freedom because he's single, he won't settle for a shitty relationship. If other guys see how well this works for him, they're more likely to become/stay single, or realize that they can demand more balance in their relationships. It's like making sure your kid doesn't hear about celebrities doing bad things, because if they do they might learn that being an asshole is an option.

This can't be a conscious reason, of course - it would require too much self-awareness to admit that it's a control thing. Consciously, women can't believe that you might be content alone, so they try to set you up. Unconsciously, they can't accept that you're content alone, so they have to set you up.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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It makes women incredibly uncomfortable to consider a man that doesn't need a serious relationship; they know if all men went that route they'd be fucked

[–]pomufc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Never shit where you eat. Seen quite a few office horror stories due to relationships. Cripes, the marriages/divorces are even worse.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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Self Enterprise built on Self Reliance leads to real Manhood.

[–]TehFuggernaut 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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I have a serious question - because I've heard it before but don't understand what 'setting boundaries' means. What does that mean in a relationship? I do fine with women (seeing 3 right now), I just bought my own place - everything is going well for me in life, except with my 'main' girl right now, and boundaries MIGHT be the reason. What does setting boundaries mean?

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

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Saying what you will and will not tolerate in terms of behaviour and following up your actions with words, many women will amplify the shit test by testing the mettle of your words, to see if there's any repercussions or consequences behind wronging you or otherwise ignoring your desires. If you dislike something or will not tolerate certain kinds of behaviour, you must state it. If that person knowingly does something you have communicated you will not accept (violates a boundary set in place) then you punish them with negative reinforcement and follow through with your choice of punishment. Eg: stop providing them with something they depend on from you.

[–]Crackertron 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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You also need to kill any shred of oneitis you may have; oneitis will weaken your resolve to keep up your boundaries.

[–]1independentmale 19 points20 points  (0 children)

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Yep. The real trick is being able and willing to walk away. To be able to say, "What you're doing right now is not working for me. It's not something I want in my life." Then, if the behavior continues, to follow up with action. Each of us has every right to decide what sort of behaviors we're willing to tolerate and to stand firm on those issues. This is how a real man handles his business. He doesn't get emotional about it and he doesn't react to her emotional drama, excuses, and so on.

You can't bluff. If you need her so bad you can't stand the thought of losing her, you're fucked. She'll call that bluff, you'll cave and come crying back to her and now you're her bitch.

I give people - both men and women - many chances. I don't lay rules out in advance - who makes a list of shit and brings it up to a new person? - so the first mistake is free and immediately forgiven. "Please don't do that." I don't let it upset me; they didn't know any better. If they want to talk about it I'm happy to explain, but I don't let it turn into an argument and I don't yield my position. It's a line I've drawn in the sand. They don't have to agree, but they do have to avoid crossing it if they want me to be a regular feature in their lives.

One of the biggest strengths I have is the knowledge that I cannot control another person. The only person I can control is myself. I do not waste time and energy trying to make others bend to my whim. If I enjoy being around them just the way they are and if the positives in the relationship (intimate or otherwise) outweigh the negatives, then I continue spending time with them. If not, I don't. Simple and stress free.

[–]randomtask2005 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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I've got a question for you as a childless male in his mid 20's who is curious as to your opinion: At what age do you start teaching boys RP material?

On one hand I see the need to do it as early as possible in order to best teach leadership qualities that carry on throughout life. But on the other hand, children always take things a few steps too far when they shouldn't and could lead to a bunch of problems from the feminized establishment. At what time do you see this material becoming appropriate (i.e. after first heartbreak, heading to college, entering middle school, etc.)?

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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A very good question and my answer would be: as soon as he hits puberty.

When he starts uttering blue pill bullshit pull him up on it and correct it. You can teach him masculine traits from a very young age, encouraging fitness, sports and martial arts, but I'd say dating doesn't really start to resemble anything remotely serious until they hit puberty. When he's a teenager you can take him out in the field and show him reality through the RP lense. A lot of guys lose their self-esteem in high school due to failures with the opposite sex, help him have high SMV from a young age and instead of being a pile of regrets his high school memories will be something he cherishes that help propel him into manhood well into his 20's.

I too am childless and in my 20's so I do not speak from experience, only opinion. If you'd like a fathers opinion based on experience, you'd be best making a topic in /r/asktrp

[–]dawg826 41 points42 points  (2 children)

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TRP distilled beautifully. This will help many newcomers.

[–]smokeybehr 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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This should be pinned/stickied to the top.

[–]elalmadelafiesta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I'm a newcomer and I agree 100%

[–]Kepaso 23 points24 points  (0 children)

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these are well explained RP basics. A good resume, it should be on the side bar.

[–]Silverbacked 43 points44 points  (1 child)

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Cows in Art Class by Charles Bukowski

good weather

is like

good women--

it doesn't always happen

and when it does

it doesn't

always last.

man is

more stable:

if he's bad

there's more chance

he'll stay that way,

or if he's good

he might hang

on,

but a woman

is changed

by

children

age

diet

conversation

sex

the moon

the absence or

presence of sun

or good times.

a woman must be nursed

into subsistence

by love

here a man can become

stronger

by being hated.

Full poem here.

[–]Johnny_Shades 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Love Bukowski. His book Women was spot on.

[–][deleted] 72 points73 points  (9 children)

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Poverty, difficulty, heartache, oppression, pain - these are the things that make men out of boys.

This.

[–]tobedwithoutsupper 26 points27 points  (6 children)

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There should be a science of discontent. People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles.

[–]nillotampoco 13 points14 points  (2 children)

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Yes, anyone here have insanely kind/virtuous grandparents? I'm almost convinced that it was the hard times they grew up in that made them that way. Of course there's still shitty people that come out of that era but for sure hard times are more likely to make you into a better individual.

[–]tobedwithoutsupper 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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Spoil a child and 90% of the time he'll grow up into a horrible, petulant little shit of an adult. I'm certain that the inverse is also true.

[–]1mr_throwz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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Cribbing lines from Frank Herbert are we?

[–]tobedwithoutsupper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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I was on a Dune kick...

[–]SgtBrutalisk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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You will understand later on that all these obstacles are very useful to a man; if they did not exist they would have to be created intentionally, because it is by overcoming obstacles that man develops those qualities he needs.

Ouspensky, "In Search of the Miraculous" (book is in the public domain, if you can't find it, message me and I will send you the link)

[–]DanReggins 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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I'd add "and eventual success" at the end, too. A man who doesn't have enough successes can start wearing the stink of death.

[–]imthemanyesiam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Damn me for having no hardships

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedSunBlue 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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Damn he knows his shit.

Transcribed:

You gotta look good, look good you play good, play good, pay good, play good, live good. Live good, you gon' eat good. That good.

[–]Vaganusaurus 21 points22 points  (1 child)

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You're why I come to this reddit.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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You honour me.

[–]I_PUNCH_HORSES 24 points25 points  (7 children)

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Best post in a while.

[–]bama79rolltide 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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Amazing list. Keep the good works coming in.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

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Women have a gender group bias, this means they typically de facto side with women in a conflict regardless of logic or argument, women are herd-like and stick together closely, they form cartels and use the power of the group to hen peck/destroy enemies.

Women do this far better than men but we have it a good bit too, our gender bias is typically right but when it's wrong we may be discrediting actual victims of abuse.

TRP needs to throw some of it's rancor at shit men too, when you bail on your kids or puss out to your wife's oprahfication of the kids you are responsible for the lies they try to live their lives by and every resulting failure, these guys deserve as much hate as feminists and more hate than betas because it's beyond cowardice and selfishness, if you fuck up take responsiblity; we're men damnit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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Women do this far better than men but we have it a good bit too, our gender bias is typically right but when it's wrong we may be discrediting actual victims of abuse.

Men side with one another unless its over women.

[–]erich_von_stalhein 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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Both women and men side with women: the Women Are Wonderful Effect.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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This is very true.

[–]draketton 10 points11 points  (8 children)

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The real segregation is between rich and poor and that is even more true when it comes down to women, never forget that. Rich vs. poor is the only thing that matters in this world, white vs black, west coast vs east coast, all these other "beefs" are a minor, they are symptoms of wealth inequality, the bottom line is wealth. Rich vs poor motherfuckers.

Ambition with the occasional tangible result is attractive to a hot young girl riding the carousel.

A large present bank account balance is attractive to a woman who is hitting the wall and looking for a beta provider.

Unless you want to be mr. beta bux, you're a lot better off roughing it at some volunteer job with clear plans and dreams in mind than you are sitting in your house with 6 figures plodding along at a repetitive career, or going "well my last few years of work went well... what happens next?"

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 19 points20 points  (7 children)

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Unless you want to be mr. beta bux, you're a lot better off roughing it at some volunteer job with clear plans and dreams in mind than you are sitting in your house with 6 figures plodding along at a repetitive career

I understand the angle you come from but do not agree with it as an optimal life plan, TRP is about more than just fucking women, women are a result of your success they shouldn't be the cause or dictate the direction of it.

You can earn 6 figures and be an alpha - eg: a confrontational lawyer. The rich alpha beats the poor alpha every time. Being rich is not equivalent to being a beta. Money over hoes, every time.

I'd advocate stacking those benjamins over volunteering and showing potential to get pussy. What you gonna do after volunteering? Start working anyway, does that make you beta? No it means you're stacking bundles. The guy earning 6 figures is in a better position to make "clear plans" and start up a business or something than the dreamy volunteer guy anyway.

Results are a way better indication than promises and plans. I'd advocate concealing your intentions, playing aloof-mysterious game for short term pump and dumps and building your empire from the ground up.

[–]draketton 6 points7 points  (4 children)

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All of that seems reasonable to me.

It's not talked about in that much detail very often here, though. Money related advice is usually simplified down to "stack paper, slay pussy" and the OP quote goes along with that. It's dangerous advice if you don't mention how careful and stealthy you have to be once you've build a good stack of paper, and it's counterproductive if you imply that you can go inactive once the stack is built up.

A careless man with money is an easy target. A lazy schlub with money is a lazy schlub.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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Definitely agree with you 100%. I can basically elaborate on every point made but then this would go from bullet points into multiple essays. If you want to write more on the subject feel free it could easily be a blog post of all its own.

[–]draketton 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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My advice to a young man who is just getting out of the basement and wants to assemble his life would be:

  1. Focus on hardening up your body and sharpening your game as your first priority.

  2. Use cold approaches at social events to find a steady social circle and a nice LTR who will help keep your day to day affairs in order (chores, food, etc)

  3. With your newfound friends in your life, dive hard into whatever career ambitions you have, knowing you have people who will at least somewhat have your back if you fall flat on your face.

To an already financially well off man who is just learning game I'd say:

  1. Buy a dented up, mid range used car to sarge in (I use a 2001 honda civic). It gives you an air of established independence without being flaunty.

  2. Dress nicely when it comes to fit and colors, but don't go overboard with expensive brand name clothes and jewelry.

  3. When forced to talk about your job, try to make it sound exciting, but don't hint at how much money you actually make for it.

  4. If a girl is asking about your bank account right after the first approach, break it off. If she wants to know how rich you are that badly and you let her into your life, she'll find out the truth eventually, no matter how tight your web of deception is. Then the hooks dig in.

[–]subcover 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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Why cancel out your provider game via 1 and 3? Buy a pickup truck or a sports car, exactly the opposite of your advice, and do hint that you make a lot of money, or that you will.

But remember she was asking all about your money, so once you're done plowing that furrow, next her. She's not a keeper.

While dating, you have every right to be doing character assessment. If a girl is genuinely unexcited by your material stuff but interested in you personally, you've got a possible keeper for the long run. A date is an interview, and you should always have the mindset of evaluating the girl.

My wife didn't know what a Porsche was when I met her. I'd tell her stories about this car I had had, and she said "what's that?" I wifed her up.

[–]subcover 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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If you have a stack of paper, or even if you don't, you promise it, but don't deliver it. It's the promise that evokes the moisture. When it's delivered, then comes dryness as she mounts the pedestal of having received provision.

Rented Porsche game.

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I understand the angle you come from but do not agree with it as an optimal life plan, TRP is about more than just fucking women, women are a result of your success they shouldn't be the cause or dictate the direction of it.

Is it? I thought it was more about self actualization and respecting ourselves and our own interests, not buying into the 'societal' version of what a man should be.

The parroting of self improvement so that you can fuck women is just as bad as the idea of providing for your family that doesn't respect you. Improve because you want to improve, fuck women if you want to fuck women. If you want to work 3 days a week and follow your interests do that.

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Yes you're agreeing with me then.

[–]Artemis_clyde_frog 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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if you are weak, depressed, small, poor, uneducated, unconfident, not powerful then nobody cares. People only care about you when you're powerful

Gold.

[–]Fitch0y 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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Your value is everything you should always be improving yourself if you're not then you cannot compete and your life will be miserable anesthetized by nothing but the introversion of the four walls you reside in kept docile by xbox, porn, pizza and some online friends. Break free.

But don't become an elitistic asshole. Become a self centered asshole.

Halo effect

Could it be that you read the same blog as I do? http://naturalredgame.wordpress.com/

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Known about the halo effect for quite some time but yes I do read Nitz blog.

[–]kanaduhisfruityeh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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I love it. This medicine tastes great. It is as if the things I've been observing and thinking over my life have been condensed into bullet points.

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Where was this fifteen years ago when I needed it most? These are basically all the pertinent red pill messages every man ought to fully realize in their mind if they want to align with reality.

[–]closetothesilence 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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"Women are irrational and inconsistent" I would say they're pretty consistent in their inability to be rational...

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Women are machiavellian in nature, this means they are comparatively proficient at being manipulative versus the typical male. The evolutionary theoretical basis for this is due to smaller size and inferior musculature women had to learn to use men as tools rather than directly oppose them in a physical conflict (as they would undoubtedly lose in all but very few scenarios) this makes the pronunciation of their strength a propensity to be mentally violent rather than to be physically violent. Physical violence is outlawed whereas mental abuse is not, this allows women to get their way without being held accountable by a system of law, the law does not legislate interpersonal morality to this extent. Where a man's instinct is to hit, a woman's is to do a big shit in your mind instead.

This is ridiculously true. Women will drop bombs if you give them a chance, belittle you, spread lies about you, cause you anguish to get what they want. The outcome of which is often far more hurtful than any physical violence.

[–]General_Fear 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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OP wrote: "" Women are hypergamous they feel entitled to a superior mate. You have to be richer than her or at least equally rich, more educated than her or at least equally educated. You need to be better looking than her or at least equal looking, you need to be more popular than she is or at least equally popular. You can offset one area (LMS - looks, money, status) with another, but if you're lower in at least 2 areas just forget it.

Buying into the last point, this is why 20% of guys are fucking 80% of the chicks, women date up, men date down and yes this has created rising social inequality since women entered the professions ""

Currently, college campuses are over populated with women. Colleges are skewed with women students. This trend will continue for the foreseeable future. That means that in the future, corporate offices are going to be a woman's only world with very few males. So if women want to marry a successful white collar male, those male will be hard to find.

So I don't have to tell you what that means. Successful white collar males will be in a buyers market (more so than today ) and will be able to play the field because they will know that they are in demand. You already see this in the Black community. Successful Black men know that they are in demand and have their pick of hot women. And they juggle plates like no one's business.

[–]LasherDeviance 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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Successful Black men know that they are in demand and have their pick of hot women. And they juggle plates like no one's business.

Only in demand with non-black women.

[–]General_Fear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Maybe. I work with Black women and they complain that all the men they know are players.

Then there is my next door neighbor. He is a successful young man. And it is a parade of women in and out of his place. All kinds of women. Including African American ladies. I know he is bangin them all because I can hear the women thru the walls screaming, "Oh God, Oh God, Oh God."

[–]tedcase 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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Brilliant!

[–]KidKady 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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great post, thanks

[–]InscrutablePUA 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Great stuff and awesome website too! This should be required reading for all newbies.

[–]ThisisMalta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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This is what I joined TRP for..this is all all foundational material for RP theory and every bit of it is gold.

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Glorious post- saved. Think I might add this to my notebook.

Really gives the impression of what is needed to be a solid attractive man.

[–]RedSpectrum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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I fucking love your posts. Clear and succinct. Keep it up.

[–]MaxPrizes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Logged in to add my support to add this to the sidebar.

Excellently written, explains concepts for new users.

[–]AdolfGoldstein 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Sticky/Sidebar. Nicely done

[–]super-zap 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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There's more women in education than men now. Think about that shit for a second. The system has been set up against you, pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

I don't get this. There are more women than men to begin with and the rough distribution in society is the same as in most universities.

Are you saying women get in easier now than they did before? Or are you saying something else?

You seem to be implying something which I cannot immediately identify.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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Feminised curriculum mostly female teachers up until college level. Affirmative action for women etc

[–]Namerali 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Thread saved. Lifesaving. Thank you.

IllimitableMan. You're getting a beer on me if we ever meet face to face.

[–]VirgoRooster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Women do not care about male weakness and neither does society, if you are weak, depressed, small, poor, uneducated, unconfident, not powerful then nobody cares. People only care about you when you're powerful or a pretty woman. You have to pull yourself up by the bootstraps because nobody gives a fuck about you. Society will always have a safety net for women, white knights will charge in, the state will provide and etc, as a man you have no such luxury, your propensity and ability to gain power is much higher than a woman's but your ability to hit rock bottom is far more pronounced too. As men we are more extreme than women. Women are typically average and don't move much either side of the bell curve, as men we are either highly successful geniuses of repute that feminists can but scoff and be jealous of, the posterboys for their esteemed patriarchy, or the ignored voiceless poverty stricken peasant class that nobody gives a flying fuck about.

This was a really, really important thing for me to realize. It's important for anyone who subscribes to RP theory to fully understand this (and the biological rationale behind it, but that might be more auxiliary).

On top of that, you need to learn to love it. Don't get upset about it. Don't get enraged (except maybe at yourself for being so thoroughly duped). Don't whine. Don't try to change it.

Accept it and always stay hungry. Keep pushing yourself. Set goals and achieve them, and don't fear failure.

[–]1johnnight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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liberalism has become the religion to pragmatisms science.

this sentence is unclear

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    [–]davevd 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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    What university do you attend?

    [–]69MAR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Arts, but I mean women teachers.

    [–]BrothaTom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    This is one of the best post I've ever come across, addressing almost every facet there's in women's dating psychology, while guiding men towards the leadership qualities needed to succeed in maintaining all forms of interpersonal relationships.

    Good shit.

    [–]Counter423 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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    This thread is making me sick to my stomach.

    I think I have swallowed the red pill.

    Thank you all.

    [–]MasterTrollKing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Crazy stuff eh? Blows my mind...

    [–]public-masturbator 5 points6 points  (4 children)

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    All good points except for the one about politics. You labelled all left leaning people as liberal, which is simply not true. You also said leftists believe in dogma, and are not cohesive to reality without so much as a single argument to support it. I hate it when users bring up politics in a sub about SEXUAL STRATEGY.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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    Left leaning people tend to identify as being liberal when ironically they're not liberal in the truest sense of the word at all, I am aware of that. It's just an observed generalisation, try not to be too upset.

    [–]public-masturbator 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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    I'm not upset, try not to be passive aggressive :p. We're men after all. You do realize that there are several facets to being liberal, even in the academic use of the term? Classical liberalism or neoliberalism may come to mind.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    It was not my intention to be passive aggressive I meant no offence. And yes but as you can see this is generalised for a layman its not a class on the idea. There are many types of feminism also, again we generalise and say "feminists". There comes a point where pedanticism becomes a hindrance rather than a benefit pertaining to specificity.

    [–]im_so_meta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    This only applies in the US. Where I live, those who are called liberals in the US are called social democrats. Great post anyway, I found it just now.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorpuaSenator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Great post IM, definitely deserves the sidebar as a quick TL;DR of TRP philosophy.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorVZPurp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Excellent post. It's a great summary, and those points can easily be expanded upon.

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    Brilliant summery.

    [–]Transformer6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    I can see a little of " the manipulated man " in there

    [–]CropDuster33 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Nice, this is great study material, sort of like flash cards! Its definitely side bar worthy!

    [–]420AntiMage 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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    We have our own music?

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      We're not about changing the system we're about accepting it for what it is and having the upperhand. If you want to topple capitalism go ahead and do it if you can... which in all likelihood, you can't. Pragmatism.

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        You're not accepting reality for what it is if you're asserting that the real divisions occur along economic lines.

        Reality is you need money to have power. Get money.

        If they did, marxists wouldn't have had to kill upwards of 100 million people last century to convince the rest.

        Look who won survival of the fittest.

        Nearly everything that is wrong with modern society can be traced back to marxist ideology, not the least of which is feminism.

        I don't dispute that.

        Nobody ever won by accepting the enemy's premise.

        Yes they did, if you can't beat them join them.

        Now for a less terse debunking:

        Your mind is in political history not in contemporary issues that pertain to the layman on a micro scale and that shapes your desires via macro idealist approach, no doubt you are an academic or well-read individual if this is your opinion at prima facie. I actually have no time for you, you challenge me from such an obscure angle you may as well be poking me in the jungles of the amazon with a victorian battleship cannon nozzle through some trees that has time travelled 300 years into the future .

        I'm smart enough to see the very LOOSE relevance in what you're saying. I am of honest opinion that a discussion with you is irrelevant judging the obscure pointed stance of your previous posts. Say what you need to say to have the last word, you've got a response out of me, I won't respond to the next one I've got better shit to be doing. Don't take it personally, I actually do not have the time or inclination to indulge your desire to debate this intellectually. Take care.

        [–]Deansdale 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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        If a woman thinks she is better than you she can't respect you

        An interesting thought: by demanding that men respect them, women insist on us admitting that they are better than men.

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        I disagree with your conclusion I'm a little busy now so I'll share my thoughts later on.

        [–]FallenAngel17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        A bachelor is a not an unhappy guy, a bachelorette is.

        Truth. A bachelor may get lonely from time to time, though.

        [–]Dealbreaker-Jones 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        The mods should pay for an offsite forum, it's not too expensive to get a fairly decent one and it makes sure that the Reddit admins can't do anything.

        [–]magicalbird 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        I got to this post late due to being on hiatus from 4 months out to a few days ago.

        Love this post and absolutely deserves side bar.

        Considering you amend your own constitution I want to bring this up:

        Point #4 states that race doesn't matter if you're rich. Point #14 states alpha fucks beta bucks. If you're trying to get rich then it won't matter if you're alpha enough. I don't understand how those two points go together.

        Also bringing up race only on a point that relates to money feels correlative but not causative. Race/ethnicity basically comes down to target selecting girls willing to sleep outside their race. The ratio changes depending on the context and environment. Online it is horrific and in person it can be overcome moderately.

        I'd rather have the race/ethnicity issue put into something more like "you can't change that so you control looking your best and targeting girls into your look"

        [–]CheekyChipmunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Excercise is the key. Once you start running/lifting doing whatever, it does stack. It makes you have higher energy and much higher motivation. Giving you the atitude you can do it, you are ALPHA. I absolutely love this post, thanks so much for sharing!

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        The first post I ever saved on reddit. Wow. Really powerful stuff

        [–]Adach 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Liberalism has become corrupted. Liberals today censor and silence opposing opinions, I'm not talking about political parties I'm talking about ideologically left leaning people, their thoughts and ideas are based in idealism not directly measurable truth, liberalism has become the religion to pragmatisms science.

        all the other points here are great but for some reason this stuck out to me the most.

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        Fantastic points, this was an incredibly accurate read. Adding your website to my favorites bar right now.

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          This is one large glorified NAWALT. You're identifying nuances and expecting them to be argued, the exceptions prove the trends. Your study for example which says women give more charitably, there are other studies which show men give more charitably. Everyone uses studies as intellectual weapons, and discounts anecdotal, it's hilarious.

          Your pedanticism about family courts in jurisdictions shows nothing but intellectual nitpicking and pedanticism yet again, the anglosphere in its entirety despite the differing jurisdictions STILL is unilaterally biased in favouring the female across the board which should only reinforce the severity of the issue. Denying the male disadvantage in the legal system is going to win you no love here, you're bold for having the audacity to dispute that with such a weak argument. Bold or stupid? I'm not sure.

          Some of your points are misunderstandings of the point made, such as point 11. I don't know where it says a man's sexual value is everything, it's surely not - it's one facet of power that should be harnessed however. Your other points take a debunking stance but are merely pedanticism accusing these things of being generalisations, yes they are generalisations and the exceptions prove the trend. Calling something a generalisation does not refute its premise, on that premise alone you may as well just declare all philosophy irrelevant as it's not backed by a study. I'll put more stock in observable philosophy than laboratory performed studies any day, thanks. One requires a biased funding source, one doesn't - I could go on, but I shan't. I would address your post point by point but quite frankly I have neither the time nor the inclination to engage in such a pursuit and feel this post has already gotten far too long.

          I thought men weren't great at manipulation?

          Men generally speaking are not, but that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions and I'm hardly representative of your average man, I find it ironic how your whole post takes the position of listing exceptions with women to debunk points, for almost the entirety of your post but then when you refer to me, you become very general yourself - great subtle shade of grey there, love the transition in technique, being quite so smooth shows machiavellian proficiency, I'm going to assume you're a woman, am I correct in that? If not, you too have some machiavellian skill as a man. Clearly this point is a reference to my machiavellian articles which I have a reputation for, I can hardly deny being a great manipulator can I? I'm a great manipulator, that doesn't make any of these bullet points less true and my character is irrelevant to the efficacy of this wisdom. This rhetorical ad hominem is irrelevant to the post entirely although I appreciate how the lesser minds would fall for it as a method of persuasion, in fact I admire that manoeuvre very much so, I hope it was calculated or innate rather than just random luck on your part.

          [–]JG60 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          1. At least for America: inequalities are manufactured at this point. Maybe some part of the world could still benefit from weak feminism ... doubt it though.

          2. I think the point he is trying to make is that emotional responses are responses of our "animal brain." People confuse illogical and irrational. Acting instinctively could very well be rational but not logical. For instance a logical person would consider personal happiness and societal benefit. The animal brain only considers basic needs.

          3. Conflict resolution in the constraints of today's society. Men are very good at conflict resolution. Strong win; weak loose.

          4. Amen

          5. Women give other peoples money, and they give to cute puppies. Women are much less likely to say give a homeless man a few dollars. Women are also much more likely to give to other women.

          6. I'm not sure that I even buy into the concept of spousal love.

          7. Within America, family courts are extremely biased against men. They are so unfair in some states that moderately unfair begins to look fair. A more correct statement would be California is ridiculously unfair while Texas is only moderately unfair.

          8. I don't need anyone. There are things I want, but need implies that I can't live my life and be happy without a woman. Nothing and no one is irreplaceable.

          9. Yeah it kinda is. I will give you loyalty for a LTR. How well or poorly she performs as a mother, like most other tasks, is directly related to what her Man will allow. I could care-less if she is self confident.

          10. No idea.

          11. Truth.

          [–]1bradyo2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          I would say this is the best post I've read since I've been here. 100% crucial reading and should be the first thing new TRP'ers read.

          [–]Rpill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          Great read, loved it.

          Have to disagree on one point. A mothers love for her child > a mans love for a women.

          This is at least in theory. Finding good women who care for there children is becoming harder and harder

          [–]LasherDeviance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          That's because women need to be lead correctly to raise a child. So basically, when you raise a child as a father, you also have to raise the child through the mother as well by guiding her actions towards your child.

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            [–]sh1v 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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            Men are not born they are created. Poverty, difficulty, heartache, oppression, pain - these are the things that make men out of boys. This is why you came to TRP. This is why boys come back from the military as men. Conflict and pain is what forges the masculine mindset, men cannot grow without conflict and learning from their mistakes, men need to apply their logical minds to problems which arise, elevate, and transcend their previous selves to become more powerful. Men are never born, they are always bred in the bloody fields of battle and war be it economic, mental or physical. A man is a soldier of differing kinds, a man has learnt to repress his fear so he may overcome and achieve.

            Fucking beautiful man.

            [–]Adroxiom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            With this quick read I am off to the gym to raise my T levels! Excellent piece.

            [–]reiduh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            Thank you for the bullets. Points.

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            mind blown. mind fucking blown..

            [–]melmochiminh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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            Bf's baby mama morphed into a full blown hyper feminist/misandrist because her other ex gamed her, it totally worked and she found out. Now she's going insane because bf's no longer a beta/white knight she can fall back on so she's pretty much gone completely bonkers and the rambling litigation she's pursuing against him is more than likely going to severely backfire on her. PS: She's still banging the ex who gamed her even though she found a new beta to leech off of for the time being. Just because something isn't pleasant doesn't mean there are parts of truth to it....

            [–]melmochiminh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            *aren't, bleh.

            [–]Clauderoughly -2 points-1 points  (18 children)

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            Women do not care about male weakness and neither does society, if you are weak, depressed, small, poor, uneducated, unconfident, not powerful then nobody cares

            This is why movements like /r/MensRights and /r/MGTOW are doomed to failure, and always were.

            [–]NikolaTeslaMGTOW 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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            MGTOW isn't a movement as much as it is a rejection of society for treating men like subhumans. There is no goal, its the same as red pill, except that you reject society and relationships (and thats not even needed).

            "MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way is a label that has been given to naturally occurring phenomena that takes place consciously or unconsciously among men.

            MGTOW is the statement of self-ownership and saying that only you have the right to decide what your goals in life should be.

            It is saying that, as a man I will not surrender my will to the social expectations of women and society, because both have become hostile against masculinity. "

            The only difference is MGTOW doesn't say you have to have sex, or not have sex, or have LTR, or have ONS, etc. Its just red pill with the rejection of society, do your own thing and don't care what happens to society/women but are generally supportive of other men (which Game/PUA are not they are predatory by nature and don't care about men).

            Just remember if everyone learns game then game is a non factor and you are a back to being a blue pill beta since hypergamy will want to marry up, aka social dominance, aka you only get laid because you are better in comparison to the men below you. MGTOW realizes this and don't like the idea of being in competition with other men in a system where women set all standards for male behavior and attractiveness, MGTOW don't care about what women want and don't seek to give it to them, or only do so for sex.

            All in all it seems like there is a lot hate (I use it in a masculine aka not drama bitchy way) against MGTOW when if anything they help you get pussy easier if they do drop out of the chase for pussy. MGTOW don't want men to be stuck in this game/destructive male competition and want to find a future for men to be happy and not be pawns and toy soldiers.

            If you don't have compassion for weak men, you might as well be a woman.

            [–]subcover -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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            Just remember if everyone learns game then game is a non factor and you are a back to being a blue pill beta ...

            I don't think so. Because game does not target the rational mind. With game, you bypass the process of the girl comparing you to her expectations, other men, hopefully even past lovers, and get her in the RIGHT NOW that her snatch needs some relief. You provide your services to give that relief.

            She reacts normally to sex, if she hasn't had lots of "lovers" yet, and oxytocin released in her body causes her to bond to you psychologically.

            What happens next in a redpill world is that the guy isn't scared shitless of the family court system, so if he's so inclined, he wifes the woman up, they go on to have five children and become great grandparents together.

            [–]SecondQuarterLife 23 points24 points  (6 children)

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            I disagree with that. MGTOW know the system doesn't care, so they disengage and abandon the system.

            It's a good thing. For one thing the men who can't or are unwilling to compete can go MGTOW and minimize their burdens/stress/responsibilities and maximize their time and resources to spend on themselves. Without a family to support and the other trappings of modern life - large home mortgage, gas guzzling SUV, etc they can survive and even thrive on a smaller paycheck.

            Due to the principle of scarcity, the men who do decide to remain in the system multiply in value and have less competition. Imagine what will happen to women if their safety net of beta orbitors and whiteknights all just said 'fuck it', got up and left withdrawing their emotional and financial support and instead spent their money and time on hookers and their own interests. Suddenly women become 10x easier to game.

            Redpill and MGTOW are essentially two sides of the same coin when dealing with the radioactive toxic landspill that is modern feminism. Redpills put on a biohazard suit and brave through the clusterfuck to salvage/fix what they can. MGTOWs abandon ship and get as far away as possible- no risk, no gain but they survive. Betas strip naked, lie in the middle of the toxic waste and whine when they start to die of radiation poisoning.

            [–]sir_wankalot_here 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            MGTOW is new to me. But I would say it is redpill with a Gandhi approach. Gandhi for a pacifist got laid a lot :-)

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              [–]feelsbeforereals 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              i agree completely however mensrights has done a great job in educated other men. i know i went and got prostate/testical exam at my doctors based on some stuff I read on /r/mensrights. as a movement it's not going far but as a forum it's plenty helpful in its own right.

              [–]korzybski 0 points1 point  (7 children)

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              This is why boys come back from the military as men.

              Generalizations abound... The word ain't the thing, yo. I know several "military-men", ("Marines", specifically), who are "beta as fuck". I'd argue at least one of them has been "friend-zoned" by his wife.

              You must be confrontational and risk-taking.

              Okay.

              What's "manly" about blindly taking orders, picking up a weapon, traveling across the world and shooting at people you've never met?

              I'm not suggesting the above description is the totality of what it might mean to "be in the military", but I'm certainly suggesting that's part of it.

              Check yourself.

              [–]JG60 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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              1. The Military is a tool. You can use it to make yourself a man, or you can choose to deny the opportunity.

              2. Many military men will be Alpha as Fuck in all aspects of their lives except women. This is because they come from a scarcity mindset. This is because there is a real (manufactured but still real) scarcity of women within military life. Don't believe me, go to Ft. Bragg and attempt to pick up women.

              [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

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              Generalizations abound... The word ain't the thing, yo. I know several "military-men", ("Marines", specifically), who are "beta as fuck". I'd argue at least one of them has been "friend-zoned" by his wife.

              They become leaders of men, not leaders of women. I never said they become good with women by killing people, I said it toughens them up "makes them men" it teaches them suffering and they become stronger for it.. unless they get PTSD that is.

              What's "manly" about blindly taking orders, picking up a weapon, traveling across the world and shooting at people you've never met?

              The act of war and being at war brings out the man in a boy, being someone's puppet is not manly however quite right.

              Check yourself.

              Needless unwarranted disrespect, your lack of understanding does not justify your terse rudeness.

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                [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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                You're quite the head fuck aren't you? What's got you so indignant? Entertain me your psychosis is quite interesting

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                  [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                  Didn't take much to see through you. That facade of wanting an intellectual discussion when your real intention was to just fuck with me could not be hidden by the audacity of your not so well hidden contempt.

                  Pro-tip: Next time you try fuck with someone by getting them to indefinitely qualify themselves to you via pedanticism you'd do better to hide your contempt, the contempt gave the game away.

                  [–]pewpewing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  Great primer for anyone new to the sub. Something like this should be in the sidebar.

                  [–]_social_caterpillar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  Any tips for a former "Lone Wolf" to start building his social market value?

                  [–]TomHicks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                  Good post, but disagree with shaming video game players. What's wrong with them for doing what they want and enjoy and not giving a fuck about societal approval? Some people are happy doing just that, and a few even make good cash off of it.

                  Also this "boy and man" thing sounds an awful lot like female shaming tactics. "A real man pays for a date", "A real man respects a woman", "A real man would never hit a woman, even if she hit him first".

                  [–]FemtoG 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  The video game point: cause he squandered a lot of time playing X-Box so he's subtley slapping himself in the wrist for it.

                  Great post overall though. The basics delivered in a very good way.

                  [–]mmmfritz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                  While I understand that this article may be compelling and insightful for many people, I fear it could do a lot more harm than people realize.

                  Even though a lot of this is very useful towards enhancing ones life paradigm, a correct picture of our world and the people within it. Without a decent background in human psychology, one could come up with all sorts of ideas about women after reading this.

                  Yes it is true that women are irrational, sometimes feel entitled to a superior mate and can't respect a man if they think she is better than him.

                  But this is true about most people, irrelevant of gender, race, colour ect.

                  Perhaps women do it more than men, but there are many women who are the opposite. Many women can: Have a high EQ and become as rational as humanly possible. Have realistic expectations about their spouse. Have the awareness to designate value where required.

                  What's important is to not get the idea that all women are manipulative, selfish, whores. The harsh wording of this article makes me think one might. We should paint a picture instead of to set in stone.

                  Take it with a grain of salt. Women are something to admire and cherish. Understand -yes, but not alienate or form adversaries with.

                  P.S. I must admit I am only learning this stuff too, but after reading it seems that Psychology is something we simply know very little about. Taking a few anthropological observations, pitted against some wishy washy behavioral psychology is not hard science. Also in the last 2000 years we have come such a long way technologically, think about how much our minds have shifted. Are gender roles changing, are emotions evolving?

                  [–]MrRexels 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  It's hard to take a good look at something when you elevate it higher than it is. And you must admit, completely overruling a statement just because of a small exception doesn't make much sense.

                  [–]erich_von_stalhein -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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                  Nobody can pull himself up by his bootstraps. Hence the fallacy inherent in a "bootstraps argument".

                  [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  You're being pedantic, have an idiom:

                  http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/290800.html

                  [–]erich_von_stalhein 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  It's like an irregular verb.

                  I am precise; you are perfectionistic; he is pedantic.

                  [–]SgtBrutalisk -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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                  I will be reading these points daily.

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                  Great stuff. The parts about single mothers raising boys needs more proof. I'm not buying it. How is being raised by a single mother any better than being raised by a beta husband, who is completely and utterly blue pill?

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                    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                    Women have material hypergamy, they love men on the condition he is powerful. Her love is always contingent on the fact you are strong, it is not unconditional. Men have no such requirement of women.