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[–]rj88631 63 points64 points  (0 children)

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One of the best lines.

And if you're on the fence about having children, you need to decide before the choice is no longer yours to make. Yes, I know that men have many more decades to achieve fatherhood, and that's not fair. But it is fact.

Acknowledging reality.

[–]semigod__ 136 points137 points  (2 children)

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In your early 20s, you are at the peak of your attractiveness and your fertility.

Hatefacts.

[–]Draki1903 30 points31 points  (1 child)

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Thank you for subscribing to Hatefacts. Did you know people often judge you when you're at your emotional weakest? I bet you'll remember that the next time you embarass yourself!

[–]Assaultman67 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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That fact actually makes me kind of happy.

[–]NormanScott 28 points29 points  (3 children)

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Man raised by a single mom here. Would have loved a father figure growing up. Would have been nice learning how to use tools, talk to women, interact with other men. Etc. Had to puzzle all that shit out on my own after growing up. And its kind of a bitch.

[–]TRPcoach-therapist[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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I was raised by a very passive father which made my mom a crazy person. I feel ya bro.

[–]1BaltoSquadGuy 120 points121 points  (72 children)

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She was on one of the morning talk shows today. There were women outside protesting her - the sassy finger waving and proclamations of being an independent woman who "didn't need no man" were hilariously predictable.

[–]christiefrontdrive 146 points147 points  (46 children)

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"A bunch of ladies sayin' they don't need no man, listenin' to they girlfriends, 'you don't need no man to raise no child!', shut the fuck up with the bullshit... yeah, you can do it without a man, but that don't mean it's to be done! Shit, you can drive a car with your feet if ya want to, that don't make it a good fucking idea!"

  • Chris Rock

[–]randomdude600 57 points58 points  (42 children)

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I'm not a stat machine, but I know from my past reading that children raised by single moms have way way way more issues. If you don't believe me google it up or check out "the myth of male power" but it really seems like you do need both a mom and a dad to raise relatively normal kids.

We won't get into the army of beta-dads raising today's kid's, but at least a beta dad is better than none

[–]Pubesauce 19 points20 points  (12 children)

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There is a documentary on Netflix called Absent that goes into this in depth. Fatherlessness is a bigger deal than society is willing to admit. It damages our emotional and psychological maturation. It leads to a higher chance for criminal and promiscuous behavior in teens.

Fair warning to atheists, it approaches the subject from a conservative Christian perspective. However, the wisdom in the message is universal. We need to get back to the idea of the nuclear family as the ideal state of adult life.

[–]TheDefinition 23 points24 points  (11 children)

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Interestingly, children whose fathers die through illness or accidents fare pretty much as well as those whose fathers are present. Be it genetics or psychology, having your father leave is the biggest problem.

Source: The Bell Curve

[–]Pubesauce 14 points15 points  (3 children)

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It's the feeling of being unwanted. This translates into children growing up who lack confidence and a sense of self-worth.

[–]MaxJohnson15 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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It's also who most of these fatherless kids are. I would guess that if you broke down the economic / educational stats of the kids being raised by single mothers, they're going to be well below the national average.

[–]Pubesauce 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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I think there is really a broad range of consequences for both the individual and society as a whole. That documentary talks about how fathers act as a sort of guide into the initiation of adulthood, and that without that guiding hand many people simply never mentally or emotionally mature into adults. Thus they remain adolescents forever, having adolescent relationships, and collectively producing an adolescent culture (capricious, hedonist, selfish). One component of the resulting adolescent culture is anti-intellectualism, which is sickeningly prevalent in modern day America.

So to tie in with what you said - learning is not cool for many of these kids. What is common instead is trying to become or find in others the father figure that they never knew. Unfortunately this results in a whole lot of machismo-obsessed criminal males, and licentious females who have no self-respect.

[–]MaxJohnson15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I don't disagree but before you even get into gender roles, you have on average inferior raw materials and then on top of that, it's a lot of work when you can't take turns once in a while so each parent gets some time to themselves or at least split the responsibilities. You're already substantially behind the 8 ball in a way that's not debatable and now you start taking into account gender roles in child development.

[–]etherael 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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Would you happen to know if this accounts for fathers who are not present due to separation and acrimonious relationship between the parents, but clearly desperately try to see the children as often as they possibly can and fight hard for custody?

[–]TheDefinition 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Nope, I don't know. I guess it would be bad, because having such a mother is not a great thing.

[–]1wiseclockcounter 5 points6 points  (6 children)

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Perhaps this is just my conjecture. But is it not somewhat likely that these kids have problems because they were raised by a woman who was worth leaving? We're assuming that kids are having roughly the same maternal experience if the father is there or not, but I have a feeling there's more to be said about why the father left.

In the case of someone's father leaving, there might be a mix of resentment and empathy. "I hate him for leaving me, but I can see why he left her." Then that translates to resentment for the mother, and an overall emotional isolation-- left to define their manhood or womanhood on the basis of that resentment.

[–]Workchoices 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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Also that the mother is so weak or such a poor judge of character that she bred with a scum bag.

[–]loveofnotes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Wow. Knowledge

[–]IWantWhatsReal 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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Most of the divorces are started by the women, not the male.

[–]1wiseclockcounter 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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I don't think that's inconsistent with the possibility I was suggesting. Women can initiate a divorce for reasons that reflect more poorly on them than the man. (Feeling of entitlement to a better provider, lack of accountability/ blaming the man for everything, straight up infidelity, etc.) Of course there are cases where the father could be a total dick, not saying that doesn't happen. But I'm just curious about the other side of the coin, as I feel that it may not be so much the "absence" of a father figure as it could be the "presence" of so many other forces going on with the mother and her own relationship issues with men that she passes onto the kid.

[–]IWantWhatsReal 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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I wasn't saying that you were right or wrong, I just felt like I had to say something because my life is the stark opposite of what your possibility suggests.

Had my mother not divorced my father, he would have probably killed her in his bursts of drunk and ever escalating violence. My mother went through hell and back to raise my brother and I with the best education possible. My father never gave any of us a penny, even though law said he should (and he was capable of). If I could come back and choose, I would rather be raised by my mother alone than by my mother and my alcoholic father. Sure, the best case scenario would be my father clean from his addiction alongside my mother, but that wasn't going to happen.

So you can see why I had to respond to what you've said. Not everything in life is a simple as "women are always the one with problems". Are there many mothers out there who are "womans worth leaving"? Yes. Of course. But I think it's safe to assume that most of the time, a father would rather remain inside a family with his children, especially young children, rather than say "Fuck that I'm outta here". Even if he has realized the woman would not be his choice for a mother.

[–]1wiseclockcounter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Right, again just offering a perspective I haven't heard too often. Also, very sorry to hear about your past. I acknowledge that for many that is an unfortunate reality. And I agree and would hope that men make a sacrifice to raise a child through to relative adulthood.

[–]M4gikarp 14 points15 points  (2 children)

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First hand: lived with abusive single mom until I was 12 and I fought back and she called the police. Many issues

Moved in with dad --> 0 issues. He was way more relaxed and supported me and was a big fan of TRPT

[–]The_Determinator 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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Women don't actually know half the shit they're told they do, and refuse to learn the other half because of muh-sojiny.

[–]M4gikarp 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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Beyond true. She still doesn't "remember" locking me in a closet and all the other shit. She only Remembers her sweet little boy went crazy one day and pushed her into a coffee table for no apparent reason

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    [–]Tastysalad101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    I remember reading an article about children from single parent families and prison rates were unbelievable in some prisons as high as 90% of prisoners didn't know they're fathers.

    [–]forbinsdecline 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    I don't know, girls with daddy issues are kind of hot.

    [–]autoNFA 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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    Sometimes split parents are better than married ones. Friend of mine's dad became a total junkie after marriage/kids, and it was better without his dad around. Not a normal situation though.

    [–]anakinastronaut 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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    The family doesn't need to be together, but you still need both parents to be there, or the kid has little chance.

    [–]beltfedshooter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    The kid always has a chance. But time, effort and attention must be paid. Rarely a single parent has much of those to be effective in the child's life. Chasing after your own wants/needs at the detriment of your child is plain selfish. Children with more than one involved parent, or at least interested & involved adult, receive more support than those without. Life is hard, many hands make light work.

    [–]tivooo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    little chance? I understand "smaller chance" but little chance? c'mon.

    [–]forbiddenone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10109743-71.html

    It's something you do when you have no other options. It isn't option #1.

    [–]Zumbrella 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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    Is that from one of his his stand up specials? I'd love to see the rest of that.

    [–]christiefrontdrive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    I don't know the original album, but it's on one of his greatest hits CDs (Bigger & Blacker). I think it's the same CD as the incredible Black People vs. Niggers bit he did.

    [–]TRPcoach-therapist[S] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

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    God bless their cats.

    [–]Areimanes 49 points50 points  (20 children)

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    I don't see why women are protesting against this message, which is from another woman no less.

    She's not saying anything demeaning about women from what I can see (quickly glancing at the article). She's only saying that certain actions will have consequences for women and that women can't have it all.

    Feminists seem to think men have it all. Do they really think the CEO of JP Morgan works part-time from 9-5 and gets to spend his free-time with his wife/kids? Hah. Most of the (senior)managers in medium departments I know from low-end Fortune 500 companies don't even manage that (some who are trying to climb the ladder/others trying to stay where they are), let alone the CEO's from the top firms in the world.

    I always go on tangents and my blood pressure rises from reading the drivel spouted by these people.

    [–]JudgeDreddGame 58 points59 points  (5 children)

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    I don't see why women are protesting against this message

    She's not going along with the groupthink narrative. Therefore, she's a gender traitor in their eyes.

    [–]Areimanes 31 points32 points  (4 children)

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    Much like /u/GirlWritesWhat

    It's funny actually. Feminists want women to be proud, independent, capable of making their own decisions, and choosing their own life... as long as they adhere to the feminists' (ever changing) rules.

    It reminds me how certain people are in favor of freedom of speech, but it should be punishable when they feel offended (Rebecca Watson anyone?), thereby proving that they're not actually in favor of freedom of speech.

    To cite Steve Hughes:

    "How do you make a law about offending people? How do you make it an offense to offend people? Being offended is subjective. It has everything to do with you as an individual or a collective, or a group or a society or a community. Your moral conditioning, your religious beliefs. What offends me may not offend you. And you want to make laws about this?"

    [–]tempus_wor 10 points11 points  (2 children)

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    It's funny actually. Feminists want women to be proud, independent, capable of making their own decisions, and choosing their own life... as long as they adhere to the feminists' (ever changing) rules.

    My RP wife has experienced this. Feminists insist that I am oppressing her because she stays home with the kids. She stands up for herself saying that it's what she wants they still give her sht nonetheless.

    [–]cbarrett1989 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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    Dealing and talking with femitards is a losing proposition either way. They just refuse to believe some women want to be stay at home moms when they could be out working or whoring it up.

    [–]The_Determinator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    It's like they're yelling at others as an outlet for their own frustrations, like they are the ones who want to stay at home and are mad at themselves for not. So they yell at others in a psychological attempt to convince themselves that they're doing the right things.

    [–]Neburel 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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    Most laws are opinions with a gun backing it up.

    [–]1BaltoSquadGuy 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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    They're furious that she's poking holes in their theory and suggesting there are better alternatives. The absolute best part is that this is all coming from a FEMALE, which I think incenses them even more since she has 'betrayed' the great cause.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 22 points23 points  (5 children)

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    Women get two mutually exclusive choices.

    You can either have a career and forgo the kids OR You can have kids and forgo the career. Despite what feminism tries to say about women can do it all the truth of the matter is they cant. A woman trying to 'do it all' will only end up a single mother. The same applies to men as well. A single father ends up having to prioritize his kids over his career which means he'll lose out on opportunities just like women do when they prioritize their kids over their career.

    It only makes sense for two parent families. This enables one parent to sacrifice their career for their children while the other parent does their best at raking in the dough to keep the family and improve their quality of life. Given the sub we're in I don't think I need to tell you which genders are better at which roles in the family.

    [–]Evolved_Red 35 points36 points  (4 children)

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    This is anecdotal, but my cousin's wife is a fantastic, loving woman who's done it: multiple degrees, mother to 3 boys, earning close to 90K. But hear me out:

    I went out drinking with her husband the other day and she offered to drive me home. My cousin was asleep in the back. The conversation becomes how I am moving overseas (again) for my career, and how she's jealous She's never been able to do that.

    She then proceeded to burst into tears, telling me about how hard she pursued her studies, and put her own life on hold for the sake of her husband and children.

    She tells me she knows all their favourite colours, favourite food, favourite movies.

    She doesn't even know if she likes the colour pink or yellow.

    She doesn't know if she even likes the car she is driving us in. She doesn't know anything about herself.

    No ladies and gentlemen, you cannot have it all.

    [–]throwwhatthere 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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    This comment needs more visibility. My father busted his ass in his career, and tried damn hard to be the best dad, but the downsides were many. He knew his kids half as well as he wanted, he died young, and he never taught his boys the RP truths they needed to be alpha like him. He was just too damn busy working. There are sacrifices. Always.

    [–]kupo_moogle 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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    If more people really knew what parenthood was like, they wouldn't have kids.

    [–]Minus-Celsius 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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    You say that, but not having kids sucks, too. If you have kids, you'll have someone in your life you're closer to than you ever could be to a friend.

    A lot of DINKS make it work, but when you're 80 and one of you is dead, it's not going to be the same.

    [–]kupo_moogle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    I dunno, I have plenty of friends who work in nursing homes and 90% get a visit every other week, if that. The odds are your kids are going to be taking care of their own families and won't be able to care for you, and you'll be left in the hands of strangers who are equipped to deal with your medical needs.

    Also, sacrificing 20+ years of your life so that your last few can be less shitty? Seems like a bad trade off. Having kids just so someone will take care of you when you're old? Sounds like a pretty shitty and selfish reason for creating another human.

    [–]1kick6 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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    She's not saying anything demeaning about women from what I can see (quickly glancing at the article). She's only saying that certain actions will have consequences

    That's the demeaning part. And I'm defining demeaning as the feminists do as "anything that's not fully advantageous for women."

    [–]Misterlulz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    Do they really think the CEO of JP Morgan works part-time from 9-5 and gets to spend his free-time with his wife/kids? Hah. Most of the (senior)managers in medium departments I know from low-end Fortune 500 companies don't even manage that

    Agreed. It sucks that in order to be financially successful, a lot of times you do have to make sacrifices - especially spending time with family, etc.

    [–]jabberwockysuperfly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    I don't find it surprising in the least. Women love the idea of other women. But have you ever watched them interact with other actual women? They despise each other.

    [–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    What do you mean, she can't have it all?!?!?!?! PATRIARCHIST!!

    /sarc off

    [–]GuideGhost 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    Here's the video. I'm a fan of this woman. Extremely redpill.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    This shit used to make me angry. Now I see it as just sad, and makes me feel strangely better about myself.

    [–]1Jaereth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Does it still count as doing it with a man when they collect Uncle Sam's sweet welfare check?

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 69 points70 points  (12 children)

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    A well-written article with sensible advice... Of course women will hate her for it.

    The only thing that keeps women from gouging each others eyes out is the feminist rallying cry that men are to blame for everything.

    [–]leaffur 35 points36 points  (1 child)

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    This is the problem with agent/victim thinking. The victim is never at fault, it's all the agent's fault and if you say any different you're part of the oppression.

    [–]Lightning14 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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    Yes, and victim mentality perpetuates the problem. If one never reevaluates their role in the problem, and their ability to change it THEMSELVES, then they can never improve it. It's very similar to the polar ideas of being in control of one's life, versus outside factors being in control of your life. Research shows people who believe they are more in control lead more fulfilling lives.

    [–]87GNX 24 points25 points  (3 children)

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    Cue the old line about a misogynist being a man who views women the way women view themselves...

    [–]willyfresh916 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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    "Don't try to understand women. Women understand women and they hate each other!" -- Al Bundy

    [–]robesta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    I never heard that but it's pretty dead on.

    [–]batman50 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    I never heard that either, but sounds pretty good.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorpuaSenator 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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    I tried reading some of the comments. It's not that they are right or wrong, it's just that don't make any fucking sense.

    I think one commentor was suggesting to get a dog instead of a kid, while another suggested that a woman should get invitro instead of a husband.

    The stupid hurts.

    [–]thecajunone 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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    Proof of this is when you take away the men. Women immediately turn on each other.

    [–]vozkhan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    This I have thought of many many times, I say what will happen when men disappear or are hardcore emasculated to the point we are official second class citizens in eyes of law, but then I remember that feminism is like the war on terror, it will never stop there will always be some small remnant or something to war against

    [–]16 Endorsed Contributorss_camaro 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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    A well-written article with sensible advice

    Not sensible advice for men.

    Sensible advice for men is: don't get married or cohabitate.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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    Agreed, her advice is for young women. But as a man, I can look at it objectively and see the merit of it.

    The average woman, being an emotional creature, sorely lacks much capacity for objective truth. That's why she can't understand a man's perspective or swallow any redpill truth... And why she can't accept any women's opinion that differs from the feminist dogma.

    [–]wearing_yoga_pants 53 points54 points  (2 children)

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    RPW here. It's so refreshing to hear this perspective in the media when it seems to so often preach the opposite. Thanks for sharing, great read.

    [–]TRPcoach-therapist[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    The internet has tipped the scales. The fearful can no longer silence the truthful. We all have to do our part, it's important for others to know they're not alone.

    It'll get better ;)

    [–]vaker 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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    Hopefully the tide is slowly turning.

    [–]______Last_Christmas 48 points49 points  (7 children)

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    I understand that some of my opinions may seem old-fashioned. But that's because they have stood the test of time. They may sound strident, but only because I am so confident of their wisdom and so eager to share what I've learned over the years.

    This is the most important point that she makes. A young, healthy woman is at her most advantageous age to find a desirable mate and have children.

    From an evolutionary standpoint, this is just the way things are.

    [–]icanteventhecat 20 points21 points  (6 children)

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    Jeez, and when I actually met an attractive level-headed 21-year-old Christian woman at a top university who wanted to marry and have kids right after graduating, I thought she was insane. Oopsy. I wonder how she's doing...

    [–]2lightfire409 3 points4 points  (5 children)

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    Yeah before TRP I thought the people settling down and having kids at 23 were crazy. Man.

    [–]journalistjb 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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    yeah, i'm 34 and kinda sad that I haven't settled down before now

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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    So hold on....after discovering TRP you would be prepared to settle down and have kids at age 23? As a male of age 23 you would be prepared to have kids? Please elaborate i'm curious, still seems so young

    [–]grammer_polize 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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    it is dumb IMO. unless you are financially set--which let's be honest, isn't the case for nearly any 23 yo i know--it isn't that great of an idea. but hey, if you are, go for it

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    The other thing is at 23, people still don't really know what they want in life. Our whole generation (I'm 27) these days is overwhelmed by choice. Anyway if someone gets married at 23, they could easily be divorced and back on the market at by 30.

    [–]DarkSayed 33 points34 points  (19 children)

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    Don't buy the current feminist rhetoric about how hookups are empowering for women. They're not..

    "Empowering" :D,...It still amuses me that they ever bought into that shit.

    [–]roadhand 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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    Not far from the core of modern feminism is a desperate anger and true bewilderment that people still think whores are whores, no matter how loud they holler that it is empowering.

    .#slutwalk

    [–]batman50 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    It is also a not-me group, in the sense that what define them is not something positive, not the pursue of some quality but the hate of other thing. The existential vacuum of people that live like this is sad.

    [–]RojoEscarlata 25 points26 points  (5 children)

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    Don't you know how empowering is to be pinned down fucked and jizzed on your face from a different guy every weekend?

    And don't you try to judge her because that's psychological rape.

    [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

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    It's even more empowering when she goes to Duke and films jizz being sprayed all over her face so she can pay her tuition......GIRL POWER!!!!

    [–]icanteventhecat 15 points16 points  (3 children)

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    But isn't pornography exploiting women? Or wait, the men paying her are exploiting her, but she's really exploiting them...or being exploited...or empowering herself?

    I turn off brain now.

    [–]emotional_panda 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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    The patriarchy is exploiting her. But she is empowering herself with the money of the patriarchy.

    [–]The_Determinator 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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    Money that she's getting for willingly participating in the ... patriarchy's exploitation of women...

    [–]emotional_panda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    It's an ironic exploitation.

    [–]SeekingAlpha 33 points34 points  (7 children)

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    It's not false; its a half-truth with a short half-life.

    A young, attractive woman has amazing power over some men. They are able to procure all types of resources using only their sexual attractiveness. That is empowering, temporarily...not something one builds an empire of success upon, however.

    [–]ITworksGuys 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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    As I have gotten older it is a little amusing to see the girls who thought they were "too hot" for me (they weren't) slowly start to fade.

    I am not mean about it or anything, but it is gratifying in a way. They still seem to have these shitty attitudes that worked for them when they were younger, and hot, but they can't figure out why it doesn't work anymore.

    [–]WhiteE350 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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    The problem is that they didn't earn this power, so they don't know it's value. We like to talk about the wall in here. The problem for young attractive women is they don't know it exists until they have already hit it. weather its gaining 50 pounds at 25 or being infertile at 40.

    [–]SeekingAlpha 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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    The Wall is an issue that older women need to make known to younger women. Unfortunately, the hamster knows no age limit and even the rare truth-giving older gal will be up against a huge amount of cultural/social messages telling them they can have it all and wait until their 30s to commit to a man. Tough to watch it all go down...but the schadenfreude is a nice consolation.

    [–]Seafor_c4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    The problem is they settle for the beta providers. Some even attractive and successful (finacially secure) betas get hooked as women approach the wall or even as they smash into it or bounced off briefly by losing that 50 lbs. And as much as I like to say the amount of beta examples in here speak volumes about the philosophy I know a lot of rp relationships that don't even know they are in a rp relationship. I see the provider/support type relationships where the women know the need for gender roles based on gender strengths (including beauty/ fitness/ sex as a woman to keep their man and the men all display the old school leader of the house traits). When the common goals align, the gender strengths seem to naturally exist and when playing on a team like a relationship/ family is supposed to be run they become apparent and useful. I do see a lot of successful families these days but they still are very rp.

    [–]vaker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    This is why traditional societies told young females what to do, and didn't allow them to do whatever stupid shit occurred to them due to lack of experience and/or brains.

    [–]DarkSayed 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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    Good point.

    [–]SeekingAlpha 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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    Thanks.

    Unless they act on the "empowerment" while it is near its apex (a very tough decision for her to make, no doubt) and commit to a strong partner, hook-up culture is a net-loss for women (if the endgame is succesful pair-bonding).

    [–]Endorsed Contributornyrp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    Rhetoric is one word for it.

    [–]batman50 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    Yes, me too. How feminism is dumbing down people baffles me.

    [–]Workchoices 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    It doesn't amuse me anymore. It's just sad all around. They might be fools for believing the rhetoric, but they have been sold a lie and damaged their chances at happiness for no good reason.

    [–]TehFuggernaut 45 points46 points  (8 children)

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    Comments section is great. Timothy - "Exactly the type of woman any smart man stays away from.... you'd see that though. Somebody is living in a vacuum. MEN look for the same qualities in a woman that women look for in a man....Smart, confident, stable, EQUAL....... Who in the world wants a woman who is on the prowl for a man? Why are so many people so far removed from the real world?.. How about encouraging every woman to be the best she can be learn to be self supporting and THEN put that out there? Devious, sneaky gold digging baby machines is all this is about..." Yeah, ok buddy.

    I also love the naysayers coming out of the woodwork saying not everyone wants kids. The author states MULTIPLE times that her advice only applies if a girl is set on having a family and raising children that it is something she should do earlier rather than later in life.

    [–]TRPcoach-therapist[S] 35 points36 points  (1 child)

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    Why are so many people so far removed from the real world?

    The irony is delicious isn't it?

    edit: Also, kudos to you for reading the comments. I can never make it through them.

    [–]Adroxiom 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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    I usually vomit a little in my mouth reading the ignorance in those comment sections.

    [–]1kick6 12 points13 points  (3 children)

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    I also love the naysayers coming out of the woodwork saying not everyone wants kids. The author states MULTIPLE times that her advice only applies if a girl is set on having a family and raising children

    The oft-reported logical fallacy that if you can disprove it for any single person, it must then not be true for anyone. Aka NAWALT. How anyone still thinks this is valid thinking is beyond me.

    [–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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    How anyone still thinks this is valid thinking is beyond me.

    The study of basic logic and entry level statistics is not found in most college curriculums, let alone high school.

    The result is most people who are educated are, essentially, unable to actually reason or analyze even very basic concepts involving populations and individuals within those populations.

    [–]zernoise 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    My great uncle teaches an entry level logics class (as well as an advanced one but that's besides the point). Some of the stories he tells us about his students leaves me bewildered.

    Edit: I can't english

    [–]DanReggins 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    Sometimes they'll even refuse! "Generalizing people is bad."

    Oh ok, then let's just give up trying to understand anything about any group of people, right?

    [–]Mooshaq 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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    MEN look for the same qualities in a woman that women look for in a man....Smart, confident, stable, EQUAL.......

    Hahaha.
    No, they don't. "Timothy" has no clue about what men and women want.

    [–]Deano101 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    What he meant was 'Manginas look for the same qualities in a woman'

    [–]FortunateBum 17 points18 points  (4 children)

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    Here's the thing. If you're a woman, and you decide not to have kids, you can do whatever the fuck you want.

    If you do decide to have kids, there are biological limits you need to respect.

    It's pretty simple really. If you're a woman and haven't given birth by 35, you're unlikely to ever give birth.

    [–]cat_fox -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

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    Not arguing at all against the article, but I've got to take issue with your statement. I know plenty of women over the age of 35 who have given birth. Plenty. I'm one of them. My last child was born when I was 41. We are not some crazy, weird mystery! When I was a kid, I had THREE classmates who's mothers were mid to late '40's in age. My main concern here is that a lot of people here keep saying that you aren't going to get pregnant if you wait until you are 40, or that you will have miscarriages. Yes, the chances are higher of these things occurring, but you would be a damned fool to bet the bank on the odds of not getting pregnant in your '40's. Please don't perpetuate this myth!

    [–]Jade196 15 points16 points  (4 children)

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    I'm a woman, and this is actually really phenomenal advice. I wish I could so eloquently explain this concept to my mother. I'm in the process of finishing my master's degree, but I don't plan to look for work after I'm done. I found the right guy (been together for 5 years) and we are getting married in roughly a year. We bought and are fixing up a house, and we are having kids very soon after marriage.

    Having children and being at home to raise them and provide them with a good quality education (home schooling or online schooling + adequate socialization) is a huge goal of mine.

    I have to consider biology in all of this. I'd much rather have a child when I'm young and wait a while (even over a decade) before starting a career rather than get 5-10 years into my career and then have to start all over again once my kids are grown enough.

    Given that children are one of my biggest life goals and that I want to be very involved in their upbringing, I have to consider when I'm going to take time away from a career to raise them.

    My mom doesn't seem to get this since she has worked since she was 9 and went back to work three weeks after giving birth to me. I just don't know how to politely explain that I want to parent differently than her because she seems to view that as an attack.

    [–]ITworksGuys 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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    I wish I could show people the differences between my kids and others.

    My wife stayed home with our kids until they were both in school. Even after that we usually had it worked out that one of us (or a close relative) was home with them instead of daycare or a babysitter. They have a babysitter now but it is a woman I have known my whole life who is almost family.

    My kids are great kids. They are smart, polite, well mannered, good hearted kids. We just had parent teacher conferences last night and both kids got nothing but praise.

    Now, maybe they would have been this way regardless. Both my wife and I were raised by single parents and we are ok.

    But the difference between their behavior and the behavior of other kids their age is huge. The most striking differences are always between our kids and those that spend a ton of time without parents/family. Babysitters and daycare are taking some sort of toll on these other kids.

    I don't know if it is lack of attention, lack of discipline, or some other thing, but it is real.

    I tell younger people that it is better to stay home. I kicked our ass financially to do it, but seeing the way my kids are turning out definitely makes me think it was worth it.

    [–]Jade196 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    It's good to hear a success story like yours. It gives me confidence that giving my kids time rather than money is important and worthwhile. :)

    [–]Livnontheedge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Right on!

    [–]TRPcoach-therapist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    She was born in a different time with different experiences. She can only hope to understand if she WANTS and TRIES to understand.

    Her understanding is not dependent on the quality of your explanation. Let it go. This will also apply to other women who snicker and judge your life choices.

    Let it go. They aren't worth your time or energy. Do not let them take up space in your heart and mind.

    [–]what_no_pudding 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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    Oh, you should read the backlash.

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4907116

    [–]iwantt 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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    Susan's Advice

    “If you’ve struggled with obesity... then maybe surgical intervention is a good idea for you"

    Blogger

    Advising overweight, but not necessarily unhealthy, teenagers to get weight-loss surgery to slim down for the college dating market?\

    Oh. is obesity no longer unhealthy?

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    "During my single years in New York City, I spent considerably more time working and considering my career options than dating or angling to meet new men."

    so she basically agreed with her?

    [–]ScannerSloppy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    I like the related article link, where the author asks, "Dear Princeton Grad Susan Patton: Why Aren't You Pushing Marriage on College Men?" We can all think of a few reasons, right? Gotta love it when people cry "no fair" as if that makes any difference on the truth of a matter.

    [–]Crusene 10 points11 points  (4 children)

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    Well, here's one woman who can speak the frickin' truth.

    This is why we need to focus less on "all women are skanks and worthless, wah wah wah"

    and more on "Hey, here's someone who agrees with us!"

    and also "So what are WE going to do about all these worthless skanks"?

    [–]Sturmgeist781 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    "So what are WE going to do about all these worthless skanks"?

    I focus on this daily. Threads like these can achieve a lot more than just angst.

    Men need to use them for the only value they have and then walk away when we are done.

    There is no way men should be settling for the town cumbucket. I'm for individual responsability but some times we need to tell our fellow men when they are walking into a shitshow.

    [–]vaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    We do know what we're gonna do about them.

    [–]TRPcoach-therapist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    I agree. Find more material like this or add your own. It's exactly why I started contributing more to TRP.

    [–]forbiddenone 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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    Circus sex...

    [–]vaker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Yea, I liked that phrase too.

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      [–]mraowbot 11 points12 points  (2 children)

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      Women have agency to make their own self-interested decisions. Imposing well-intention or justice onto their decision process is no less misguided than women imposing whatever shaming method they decide to use against TRP.

      Alternatively, "sexual strategy is amoral."

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        [–]mraowbot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        The women that are wasting their time with married men already know society shames "the other woman." They do it anyway, with the implication that these women think the cost of social shame is worth paying for the potential of snagging a (pre-selected) high value mate. The author is simply saying "no, it's not worth that price, because you won't get what you paid for."

        [–]heist_of_saint_graft 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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        This is just "talking in terms of the other person's self-interest", basic Dale Carnegie stuff.

        It's what she should say. After all, if I tell you not to go after a certain married woman because it's immoral, and because the husband might come after you with a shotgun, either reason may be compelling. Which is more likely to get you not to do it?

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          [–]2 Mredpillschool 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          Remember, a set of morals benefits society, and sometimes you.

          [–]bonekeeper 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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          You're not getting any younger! Ask your maiden aunt. She can tell you, right after she feeds her cats.

          She owes me a new keyboard!

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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          I like how there's no one from TBP linking to this.

          [–]TRPcoach-therapist[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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          Stop concerning yourself with the opinion of sheep.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          If you're going to offer me advice, all the while calling yourself trpcoach, I'm going to start demanding trp lessons.

          [–]TRPcoach-therapist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Go for it, I don't mind sending bills.

          [–]watersign 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          Saw this article, shes 100% SPOT FUCKING ON.

          [–]tenin2010br 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          I'm using this for an anti-feminist paper I have to write for my Composition class. This is gold, Jerry! Gold!

          [–]Sturmgeist781 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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          This woman is a rarity and will make an excellent wife. She doesn't seem the type to hold her education or career over man's head. She also understands the context of her relationship(s).

          This is the first feel good thread I've read here in days.

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            [–]TRPcoach-therapist[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            That's not relevant to the truth of her message.

            [–]InscrutablePUA 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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            While Ms. Patton says a lot of good stuff in this article, make sure you read her Valentine's Day article too. There are some questionable snippets like these:

            Those men who are as well-educated as you are often interested in younger, less challenging women.

            Perhaps, but men are not intimidated as some writers have suggested. Rather, it's women that are always looking to get into a relationship with someone better than themselves in some way.

            Could you marry a man who isn't your intellectual or professional equal? Sure. But the likelihood is that it will be frustrating to be with someone who just can't keep up with you or your friends. When the conversation turns to Jean Cocteau or Henrik Ibsen, the Bayeux Tapestry or Noam Chomsky, you won't find that glazed look that comes over his face at all appealing. And if you start to earn more than he does? Forget about it. Very few men have egos that can endure what they will see as a form of emasculation.

            Really? Are you sure the problem isn't that women simply aren't attracted to men who are less educated or earn less than them?

            From: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303496804579369420198599600?mod=trending_now_1

            [–]Conversation_Snob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            "you won't find that glazed look that comes over his face at all APPEALING".

            "women simple aren't ATTRACTED to men who are less educated..."

            She's saying exactly what you are saying. Thank you for pointing me to the article though.

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              [–]icanteventhecat 29 points30 points  (4 children)

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              Because sex is a completely different thing for men. For men, sex is just another near-constant biology urge along with eating, shitting, and sleeping. If you're not a man, you will simply never understand this unless you start injecting loads of testosterone.

              Also, most men simply do not have the ability to get sex on demand. Therefore, actually having sex is empowering for men; it's success, it's victory, it's validation. Why do you think almost all prostitution caters to men?

              Men put much less emotional emphasis on sex. For men, emotional intimacy can develop through sex, usually not the other way around like for women.

              [–]Sturmgeist781 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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              You're on target. One of the reasons why the first male escort in Nevada failed because he didn't bring in enough customers.

              There wasn't enough reason for women to go to him just for sex. Women want emotion with that shit too.

              Even the woman who has a few consistent FWB's and random one-nighters is still going to want the emotional connection from someone.

              Men =/= Women.

              [–]jquest23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Comment to save this comment

              [–]2lightfire409 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Sex is a near constant thing we are thinking about. For men with normal testosterone levels, we just want to fuck anything with a tight ass and boobs. We constantly fantasize about it. And when we finally talk a chick into sleeping with us, we brag about it to our bros.

              I wish i knew how women thought so I could contrast the experience, but I can't. I don't know what estrogen makes you feel. But what I do know is women can easily go off the deep end once a guy she is banging gets bored of her, just like a guy can go off the deep end when the girl he's been in a LTR with leaves him.

              We are two different genders. We experience sex completely differently.

              [–]biffsocko 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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              you should thank feminism for opposing her. Otherwise more women would be trying to trap young men into getting married before they understood TRP

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                [–]TRPtruth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                I remember hearing about her letter on the radio last year. I had not yet swallowed the pill, but I remembered thinking: damn this lady is dead on. The trp concepts were instilled in me but just not articulable at the time.

                I then lost my marriage a month later, found trp and rebuilt my life for ME.

                Women out there listen up. This lady is trying to do for you what this sub has done for me.

                [–]TRPcoach-therapist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                rebuilt my life for ME.

                Congrats man.

                [–]ametalshard 1 point2 points  (22 children)

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                What's wrong with women having casual sex?

                [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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                Are you asking in general, or to us as prospective mates?

                Two very different questions.

                [–]ametalshard 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                By prospective mates, do you mean short term or long term?

                [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                Good point. Those are three very different questions.

                [–]Sturmgeist781 8 points9 points  (3 children)

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                You can't turn a ho into a housewife.

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                  [–]mbr902000 8 points9 points  (2 children)

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                  Nothing if you ask me but the answer is dependent on what stage in life you are at. Post wall broads (30+) just love to get stuffed and not because it forms an emotional connection. They just want to cum all over your brand new couch and go home after. This works for me because I already have 2 kids. I'm not looking to add to my collection. When I smash mid 20 something's I have to be careful for fear of them becoming attached. Problem is these young girls now are getting fucked so often that they need suspenders to keep their pussy lips from dragging on the ground. It's a situational deal, depends on where you are in your life. Right now I happen to love sluts because I already have kids and the idea of having someone around as an LTR and even ATTEMPTING to try and make me her ideal man makes me want to vomit. I'll just spin a shitload of plates. Amazing how many of these sluts don't give a shit that you are splitting other sluts in half at the same time.

                  [–]ametalshard 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  You didn't answer the question... or is the problem with women having casual sex that you love it? What? That makes no sense.

                  And I don't find it amazing that someone doesn't care if you're fucking someone else. It seems 100% perfectly reasonable that a fuck buddy has an opinion or no opinion on whether or not you have others.

                  This isn't new, surprising, or unique of a situation.

                  [–]mbr902000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  I'm not sure if you haven't been out with a lot of women or what. What's so fucking hard to understand? If you are a 24 year old guy that has a family in mind and you are looking for a great woman, why the fuck would you want to be hanging out with a bunch of loose bitches that are into casual sex? When you get older, that changes. Shit, I have 2 plates that have enough sex toys in their collection to open their own sex shop. They are just looking to fuck, and that's fine. Why would you want to have a kid with a 30 year old? 30 year old sluts are fine IMO. Young women should take a different approach. So, no, I don't think a 23 year old should be having casual sex. That's the entire point. If these bitches quit spreading their legs and posting so many notches in the headboard when they are younger, they might actually be able to have a real relationship that doesn't lead to divorce

                  [–]batman50 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                  Nothing, if she realizes that man with choices won't marry her.

                  The biological aspect has some truth to it, but I think some are over valuing it.

                  [–]atlas720 6 points7 points  (7 children)

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                  What's wrong with women having casual sex?

                  What isn't wrong would be a better question. From psychological damage, to the physical damage done to her biological reproductive organs. There is really nothing good about (multiple partner) casual sex for females. They're not built to be the town mattress, and can easily fuck their way to sterility.

                  [–]vaker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  My grand-dad long time ago in a different country said: There is a difference between shitting on your boots, and shitting into your boots.

                  [–]Aaron565 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  [–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                  < Don't buy the current feminist rhetoric about how hookups are empowering for women. They're not. Casual sex is damaging to a woman's head, heart, soul, and body. You deserve better than that. Do you know what's empowering? Being in a committed relationship with a wonderful man who adores you.

                  woah woah woah.. slow down a bit. don't let them buy into this... now NO fucker will be getting laid.

                  the top part is ture. but we don't need more girls NOT having one night stands. it's hard enough with all the judgement socity puts on them for sleeping around. not to mention the contless bitch sheilds and the shit test you got to go threw. don't make it even harder. geeze.

                  [–]TRPcoach-therapist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  Quit whining, truth is truth.