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[–]1knitro 127 points128 points  (37 children)

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This is better than your novella to the crone from the first 'texting guide' but again it's fairly middling shit.

In an effort to demonstrate your 'mastery' you continually create hoops to jump through. It's largely unnecessary and you could've gotten in & out a lot sooner with less effort.

I get you don't live around her, so she knows that hooking up is contingent on being around town. So when she texts you about being around and coming to meet up with everyone at happy hour, and you have no intention of doing it, don't even say maybe, you're just digging yourself deeper.

"I'm gonna be at happy hour with coworkers, you should come.."

"Hey think I have plans made for then already, but let's text later tonight and sort something out"

The next text you'll get is to coordinate the bone. I did what you did 13 pages in 3 texts. All those texts about her month or condoms or whatever aren't needed, if anything you risk blowing it up for the night. Girls are okay with being just a hookup but most of your texts just rub it into her face, which is why she wanted to talk about it after the fact.

People who are lapping this up don't realize you are overcomplicating things. If you've already banged a girl, this level of effort isn't necessary.

"why don't you call more/hang more/text more"

'I'm just really busy with work, lots of stuff going on"

Fin.

EDIT: Added more thoughts here: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2bddiq/text_game_guide_with_examples/

[–]aOs_Student 19 points20 points  (6 children)

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I'd like to see your text post if you claim to be better at it.

[–]Mr-charming 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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He doesn't need to do a post, everything you need is right there in his comment. Keep it short and to the point.

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    [–]199639 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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    Not criticizing you but that girl messaged you first, so like you said, it was just a matter of not fucking anything up. It's like playing easy mode.

    [–]1knitro -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

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    and he's already slept with this one, so again it's a poor comparison. As an aside, you should always feel like your playing easy mode - assume the sale.

    I'll dig through the iphone later and see if I can sort out a post from it.

    [–]199639 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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    Haha yeah but I criticized OP somewhere in this thread too. Good job on that girl though, she was fine. Your shirtless game must be real.

    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 17 points18 points  (21 children)

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    Thanks for your response. I agree with you mostly, but I never claim any "mastery". You fail to realize that texting takes no "effort". It's literally twiddling your thumbs. Your suggested responses are valid, however I don't believe would shorten the conversation any but mostly delay it until you have to "sort something out later tonight".

    I'm sure you can do what I did in less texts, I'm also sure you can do it with more.

    I literally just received the "i wish we can talk more" text as I was typing this, and I literally responded something similar to your response.

    We're on the same page buddy, just interpreting a few lines differently.

    [–]SacreBleuMe 17 points18 points  (6 children)

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    I agree with /u/knitro. You may have shot yourself in the foot (or at least dropped a cue ball on it) by initially playing into her plans of parading you around her turf. So at first she expects the quasi-relationship treatment, and when she ends up not getting it she's more upset than she would have been otherwise.

    Overall, great stuff though.

    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

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    Thanks for your response. I didn't play into her plans at all, I definitely slipped up where I noted it in the analysis (unless that's what you're referring to then I agree)

    "So at first she expects the quasi-relationship treatment"-- nip that in the bud asap is what I say.

    Glad you enjoyed

    [–]SacreBleuMe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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    What I meant was she got the impression that you were playing into her plans when you said you were going to meet her at happy hour, and she was disappointed when she didn't end up getting to parade you around.

    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    OH ok, Let me clarify. I never agreed to meet her at happy hour. I told her she should go to meet HER FRIENDS at happy hour, and once she was all nice and drunken up she can THEN separate from the herd and meet with me.

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      [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Thanks for your response. You maybe missing a lot a cues because you missed out on them as a child. I grew up in an area where playing outside and amongst other children was the top option of entertainment. Excessive tv and videogames were not allowed. Our parents maybe limited us to an hour a day if we were done with schoolwork. Our school also had recess etc. So I had A LOT of social interaction growing up. These things are natural to me.

      The best way to learn how to socialize is to fully immerse yourself in it. Join a book club, start a poker night with the boys, join a church group etc. The more you see it, you will learn the patterns.

      [–]Gstreetshit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Is there any way I can increase my social intelligence? It seems like people always seem to "get" social cues or situations that I am completely oblivious to.

      The best way is to just keep doing what you are doing. Read up on material here and go out and have social interactions. After a while it gets internalized and its second nature to you.

      [–]1knitro 7 points8 points  (11 children)

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      By calling it a guide, you're claiming mastery. This may seem like semantics , but if your going to trot this out as a 'how to' or a playbook, it should rightly be called out as being pretty mediocre at that. I don't fail to realize anything - I know how easy the act of texting is, but if you're trying to play some amused, aloof G it's undermined by the vacillation and length of correspondence.

      If anything you come across mean, without a need or purpose to do so. It's okay to be interested in hookups (plates) as people, just ones with set boundaries. I'll ask how that play you put on went, without actually going to it.

      Girls know the 'rules' a lot better than most dudes. If they catch feelings and want more, and you don't think its in the cards, cut bait before it becomes problematic. That's the adult thing to do. If you are reluctant to do this because you're down to a single girl, or whatever, realize you're only making more problems for yourself in the long run. Besides, if you can get one girl to be a casual sex thing, you can get another to, hopefully in short order #abundance.

      [–]TurnDownForWhat 17 points18 points  (6 children)

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      Dude for fuck sakes lay off the guy. The guide is a 4/5 at the bottom end. It hits on major points yeah he could have reworded a few lines but overall it's a good enough guide to get the discussion started. Sitting here knit picking it like you are isn't helping anyone on this sub. In fact it's distracting. Add alternative ideas to the discussion, that's encouraged but to sit here and be a film critic is just fucking unbelievable. The guide filled it's intended purpose.

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        [–]AlsdousHuxley -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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        I agreed until the hiding it part, the point is you dont need to hide it. Everyone is aware of the situation, however the goal is not to thrust it in their face.

        [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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        Semantics, you're correct. Mastery is not my intention. I note in all my post that I welcome comments and debate.

        I read through what you wrote twice now and amidst the scolding, you're telling me nothing different than I've tried to share. Just because I only posted my text with this girl doesn't mean I'm ONLY talking to this girl. I hope that clarifies your #abundance issue.

        "It's okay to be interested in hookups (plates) as people, just ones with set boundaries. I'll ask how that play you put on went, without actually going to it." -- Yes that is fine, but that turns into you eventually going to a play when she catches on you seem to always be busy when she has a play. Why not just state you hate going to plays from the get go and it never comes up again. You keep up this extra talk then you're headed for an LTR or the friendzone. If I'm asking these sorts of questions, then its with a "fuckbuddy" not a plate. And with fuckbuddies, someone ALWAYS falls for the other.

        [–]Hexthorne 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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        You fail to realize that texting takes no "effort". It's literally twiddling your thumbs.

        This should be irrelevant. You're giving her what she wants without making her earn it first.

        Just as you want sex, she wants validation and attention. Texts from you to her are validation/attention, doesn't matter that they require very little effort on your part.

        [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        That's a good point. I believe that a text that says "Hey I am validating you HERE" is validation and not the act of texting itself.

        [–]199639 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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        I agree. Instead of a few white lies OP jumps through hoops (and makes her jump too) just to reiterate the point that he doesn't really like her. Seems like he's working against himself.

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        That was actually very good mate

        [–]Lj27 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        "Hey think I have plans made for then already, but let's text later tonight and sort something out"

        Nah. Reveals your cards too soon and she knows you're just after the cookie. OP demonstrated the bait quite nicely and it obviously worked. Why fix something that's not broken?

        [–]Hokuto199x -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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        Thing is, I think OP knows it wasn't PERFECT. But it's insightful to see real world examples that actually happened and get the cliff notes on the thought process too. It makes for good reading.

        [–]The_Americano -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

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        The guy is trying to provide content to show the rest of us how to improve. I don't see you doing that. If your game is better, great please contribute. If not move on.

        [–]Mr-charming -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

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        The contents already out there and none of us have an obligation to provide you with new content.

        That being said, what I and hopefully the other men around will do is point out when the advice given is shit so you don't travel the wrong road, .

        (Truly, this post is shit. Just because the majority agree that it's good doesn't make it so. It's a shame that TRP is being filled with this crap and we need to take a more analytically approach as to what is solid advice and what isn't. The new guys missed out on real content and advice and are left with this dribble, you might as well be on /r/seduction at this point).

        EDIT: Also just because someone is providing content doesn't mean they get to be congratulated or awarded just for the effort of contribution. It's like anything in life, if what you produce is shit it should be treated as such.

        I see so much hostility here towards the people who are calling the OP out on his shit post, this is the way TRP was meant to be (You post shit, you get called out) but now we have a bunch of whiny fucking bitches congratulating some idiot and trying to defend him because that's what the hiveminds doing.

        If you think this is good content compare it to OLD content that has a high upvote, you wont find as much or any disagreements against the posted content (Unless it's BP guys talking about how mysoginst or hurtful the content is) that's because the advice is solid and grounded, this is not.

        [–]KamaCosby -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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        What would happen if she asked what said plans were? What would you say to that?

        [–]MildlyFunnyUsername 50 points51 points  (9 children)

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        Mate this has really helped me. I've been having problems with text game recently, and thoroughly enjoyed your breakdown. It seems you've got a good handle on this - I certainly wouldn't mind seeing something similar in the future!

        [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 18 points19 points  (8 children)

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        Thanks for your response, I'm glad you took something away from these.

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          [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 11 points12 points  (4 children)

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          Thanks for your response, I will do my best to have more

          [–]dancing_junkie 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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          Thanks for the time put in buddy. It was good reading more of your thoughts on the whole subject.

          [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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          Thanks for your response. I'm glad you took something from it.

          [–]1veggie_girl -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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          I thoroughly enjoyed this post. I wish there were more posts like this on TRP and less of the MRA crap.

          [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Thanks for your response. I'm glad you enjoyed it

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            [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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            Thanks for your response. I'm glad you took something from it. We're all human and we all make mistakes. Just gotta learn to deal with it in the moment, pick yourself up and carry on

            [–]JosephStylin 44 points45 points  (50 children)

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            You're a dehumanizing tool. Learn to respect people.

            [–]HandsomeXan 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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            How many different weekends have you seen her, and are you still continuing to see her? I'm asking because my initial reaction to this conversation is that it seemed like a one time pump n dump.

            I'm just saying I feel like if I outright denied a girl all communication she'd next me. I gotta show some (fake) emotion (usually through emoticons) to keep them around. Christ, you didn't even use emoticons. How the fuck are you not using emoticons when talking to a 20-something? That's their language. I guess it might be a geographical sample difference with you and me.

            [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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            Thanks for your response and HAHA on the emoticons. Yea fuck emoticons. Those I only use when FIRST gaming a chick. Even then I use them sparsely. I relate that to timid and girlish behavior WHICH works on some girls in certain situations. I am not calling you girlish or timid. It has its times and places to be used.

            This girl is a chick I fuck maybe 80% of the time I ever visit said city. One time she drove 8 hours to meet me at a location I had an athletic competition (don't wanna give too much info to what I do) I had one weekend.

            She basically stayed in the hotel room until I was done to fuck me before and after. Though I convinced her it would be a good idea and the only option to visit me for a long time. I was on the road a lot and needed a fuck. Plus I wanted to see if she would actually do it.

            You don't "outright deny a girl", you "half commit".

            Sometimes she texts me to figure out when I'm coming in town, I'll either say not sure yet or maybe the 22nd (half commit). And you're dam right the 20th she will text me, hey are you still maybe coming in this weekend?

            Keep them in the dark and they will continue searching for the light

            [–]MumblingWaffleHug 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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            This all seems entirely irrelevant. Not only did she initiate contact but:

            • he's slept with her before
            • he lives in a different city (no relationship potential)
            • she was perfectly aware it was all about sex (requests condoms)

            This isn't a guide, there was no skill. Girl wanted to have sex, she invites him for drinks (as fuck buddies do), he gave a run around for no discernable reason, girl got sex.

            Really boys? There is literally nothing of any worth here. I have no idea what I'm doing on this forum. This is tripe.

            [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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            Thanks for your response. Maybe I should not have called it a guide. I didn't realize a few people would be so gung-ho over the name. I'll be sure to change that for you next time.

            [–]lavender711 9 points10 points  (6 children)

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            After reading this I was like why the hell are you still talking to her when all you could have said is "hey, I don't feel like going out. Why don't you come over?" And then you all fuck and she leaves and the end. You're just playing games and games are child's play

            [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] -5 points-4 points  (5 children)

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            Thanks for your response. You bring a valid point. That technique would work with other girls, but had I pulled that with this particular one. That would have lead me into a possible conversation of "you only use me for sex when you're in town."

            I reserve that bluntness for the dirtier plates.

            "You're just playing games and games are child's play"-- yet they work so.......

            [–]lavender711 -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

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            But you are just using her for the sex... And the games just get you attached to stage five clingers or whatever your alpha term is for women who want more. Instead, why don't you find women who also only want sex? That way, there's no hurt feelings and no douchery

            [–]nicknameminaj 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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            That you expend so much effort talking to women probably contributes to this obvious resentment you have for them. Relax and stop analyzing shit down to the letter! You sound like (TRP's interpretation of) a woman!

            [–]Macky_Hauser 11 points12 points  (4 children)

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            Thank you for this. I am having trouble understanding text game. To much got damn chatter with side chicks/plates and i ruin it with more talk then what it is. So many thanks for sharing and teaching us a thing or two about how to handle things.

            [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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            Thanks for your response, It's good to see when someone gets something from these posts.

            [–]Htowngetdown -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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            I started off a tinder thread with "so when are you taking me to a rangers game?" (her bio made it clear she was a fan) and she said "aren't you supposed to take me?" How should I respond to that effectively?

            [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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            Thanks for your response.

            I would say, "Alright let's go! I see there's a game on the 18th. Pick you up at 8"

            She either jumps onboard or flakes.

            [–]ReaperSlayer 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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            I have a weekend getaway planned. I take maybe a weekend a month from work in the summer. So when I do, I like to visit a city I don't get to often. This time it's a city an ex lives in.

            She knows I treat myself, because no one is more worthy of my money than me. She knows I'll be in a nice hotel with a king bed and jacuzzi.

            Last night I initiated the text game, letting her know I'm in town and that I'll be fairly busy, but asked if she knew any Asian massage places(dread game) She offered to come over to my hotel and in exchange for jacuzzi time she could find me one.

            I told her that the jacuzzi is topless and she has to prove the goods first. Fastest nudes she sent.

            The kicker, I have a 2nd tinder plate in the city who responded the same way. Nudes in no time. Tech is good, Life is good.

            [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            Thanks for your response.

            "No one is more worth of my money than me" -- I could have stopped reading there man, nail on the head. I need to put that on a poster in my room.

            You played your cards right man. Good job

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            I hate text game, I honestly cannot stand it as a form of communication with women.

            That being said, good post, texting women often sucks but it's crucial in spinning plates and early on in actual relationships.

            I've been of the opinion that less is more in these instances, Being vague, aloof, flippant or flakey just makes her beat herself up emotionally, she over analyzes herself and wants to retain you emotionally but that's with a girl that wants you already. Being dominant and putting yourself first like you've shown is a good way for a girl to want you and her opinions of you are heavily influenced by face to face encounters.

            I get most of text game is about keeping the other person on the ropes, hamstering out their favorite interpretation of your replies but are there any text logs showing how to recover from being put on the ropes in text game? Essentially if a plate starts an argument you can ignore it but in an LTR or burgeoning relationship does it how do you handle one of these arguments? Is it all "maintain frame and treat them like shit tests" or is there another technique? Being vague and letting the hamster work isn't good if it's working against you or is the war already lost if the hamster has turned against you?

            [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 2 points3 points  (8 children)

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            Thanks for your response, and I agree with your hatred of text as communication. But as I tell people, it's like hating the fact that we drive cars now instead of horse drawn carriages. Society has changed and if you don't adapt, you will fall behind and be destroyed.

            You are exactly right in your second paragraph about her over analyzing herself and being dominant etc. Very well said.

            In a long term relationship, this instance would be completely different. I believe you treat your GF differently than you would a plate. If this was my GF, I would have spent the night, replied to her questions "how did the shoot go? what are you doing? wanna hang out later?" Thats the major difference.

            Plates are kept in the dark and GF's are in the light. Feel free to re ask your question if I didn't interpret it correctly.

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              [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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              Thanks for your response

              I posted last week on texting a chick I just met on tinder, but got a lot of butt hurt messages that it took way too long or that she was a desperate 42 year old bla bla.

              I'll look for another subject and start from scratch for my next post.

              I'm glad you took something from this, maybe you can take something from the first post as well.

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                [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                Glad you were successful! Awesome to hear. Also the first I've heard back from someone using the guide for themselves.

                I'm still very premature in this new project. I would maybe consider a blog if this really develops a following or mass interest. Until then, TRP provides a decent platform for what I'm doing. Thanks for that suggestion, I will keep it in mind

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                You got the essence of what I was asking but I was somewhat vague; I'll ask it more directly.

                How would you handle a girlfriend being passive aggressive, flaky or confrontational over text?

                My instincts say treat passive aggressive like a shit test and eventually call her on it if she persists.

                If she's flaky I'm a bit lost on that one but my gut says let her be alone until she contacts me and call her out as a flake, maybe declare she's wasting my time and insinuate I would move on; something like "I'm ready to search for greener pastures." If she doesn't contact me in some unreasonable span of time soft next her.

                As for a girl being confrontational in text I am completely clueless, my urge is to just hard next the girl right there for cowardly disrespecting me in such a juvenile way (I see this as a demand for supplication, when a relationship reaches that stage you can only solve the problem in person, if at all) but as I've said this isn't my expertise. I try to avoid texting and make that clear early on mostly because I don't like fiddling with my phone all day and night but also because I have no contingency for dealing with bitchmode in text form.

                When I was blue pill I had a girl break up with me over facebook (highschool) after we had 1 bad experience together, (it was super cringe worthy) but nearly a year later she admitted she shouldn't have broken up with me for what happened and I feel the response to that break up letter was where I made the most crucial mistake. IRL you can smooth stuff over in conversation but in text it's all there in black and white with zero inflection or emotion, a woman that isn't doing the work of hyping you up in her mind anymore will only put down everything you say in that format. That's why I intentionally avoid it where possible because texting seems like a no win situation if you haven't already got her wrapped around your finger.

                [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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                Ah now I understand where you're going with this. To answer the question, when a GF is being passive aggressive, call her out on it, let her know we're all adults here and will discuss the argument as such, otherwise her comments will be ignored until she's ready to be an adult.

                If your GF is being flaky with you that is a red flag in my mind. The only times this has happened to me is when a girl was cheating on me in my beta days (7th-8th grade, yes I started in the game early) I'm not trying to scare you here, but a GF is your GF because she wants to be with you. Flaking is because they don't.

                Your lack of patience for texts and bullshit reminds me a lot like one of my friends. He was from a small town, he was more old fashioned and didn't really care about technology being another limb of his body like the rest of us. In college he would come to my dorm room and see me texting away and just shake his head and mutter how I'm wasting my time bullshitting with these girls just for a fuck. But at the end of the day, he was extremely beta when it came to girls and was baffled by the rotation of women in and out of my door.

                He eventually gave in and asked for my help. I took his phone and told him to pick any girl in his phone he had the slightest interest in sleeping with since he landed on campus. I told him exactly what to text, how she would respond and what to say to said response. Lo and behold he got laid that night. Text game works, it's bullshit, requires patience and a little understanding, but it works.

                I'm sure you're similar to my friend in that you can't stand the way society has progressed with the over use of social media and what it's turned the dating game into. In your case, I would recommend you use text sparingly and set up dates only. Then do what you do best what seems to be face to face interaction.

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                That describes my attitude toward it for the most part, I'm just way better with live face to face conversation when it comes to playing toward the emotive female sensibilities.

                I'm not tech illiterate but playing text game with females has two uses in my mind:

                • Sacking whores that need D, it doesn't matter whose; this isn't my bag.

                • Wasting my time dealing with neediness because all girls good and bad will try to use it as a platform to make ground on betafying a guy, turn him into an emotional tampon.

                You deal with it well so I'm seeing I can do better in this department but It feels like I'm playing a SNES game 1 handed; it goes from fun, to challenging, to frustrating pretty quickly when I know how I would handle the scenario face to face.

                a GF is your GF because she wants to be with you. Flaking is because they don't.

                Solid advice, thanks.

                I was gonna put some text game guides on my reading list but now I'm thinking I'll put some on top of the stack.

                [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                "but It feels like I'm playing a SNES game 1 handed"-- yes my friend. It requires a special kind of patience and focus. It's like chess vs call of duty. Both are games, both require patience and focus, but different animals of patience and focus.

                [–]boscoist 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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                I am not a smart man. I knew I'd been losing them on the text game, this is lifesaving for me. Thank you sir!

                [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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                Thanks for your response. Don't beat yourself up. Nobody is smart at something they never learned.

                [–]boscoist 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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                But self-flagellation is part of my progression! Not going to lie, its been easier to notice recently because I've been going on more dates/getting more numbers and that's been making it exponentially more frustrating. I was beginning to think it was ALL the women in this area, which given the area's reputation, was an easy idea to shrug and accept. Turns out, I had fallen off the wagon and was skipping workouts and planning my entire schedule around dates.

                I'm getting better.

                [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                Good for you man. Stay the course, improve yourself. Build it and they will come.

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                  Thanks for your response, I had planned on making that my next post, but situation turned out where most of the game had to be done face to face, so the text analysis would have been pretty meager

                  "lets meet at this bar"

                  "ok see you there"

                  and it's blank from there for obvious reasons.

                  I posted last week on texting a chick I just met on tinder, but got a lot of butt hurt messages that it took way too long or that she was a desperate 42 year old bla bla. I'll look for another subject and start from scratch for my next post

                  [–]ABCYZ 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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                  "I don't have protection..."

                  "You have a mouth."

                  Lost it.

                  [–]jadedspade 7 points8 points  (5 children)

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                  Wow, flawless text game. Excellent post, more of these. Although I have a question and I think this thread would be a good place to ask. I have a friend who is mostly an RP natural, he can bed pretty much any women he wants. He's bagged somewhere around 30 girls, but he tells me he texts several different girls at the same time, casually.

                  Now everyone always says this is a bad idea, but he even told me he will send a, "Good morning :)" text to the girls he actually likes, and they eat it up and still want him sexually. What are your thoughts on text availability to possible future plates you haven't met yet? I told him my opinion on texting all day lowering your value, and he told me, "don't overthink it, just text them when you can". I'm unsure what to think. Thoughts?

                  [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

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                  Thanks for your response.

                  If this is working for him, then don't fix what aint broke I'd say.

                  HOWEVER, he may have a natural advantage that allows him to get away with some of these things other men may not be able to get away with. He's probably above average attractiveness for his area or his text game maybe on point combined with face to face interaction.

                  I had friends who were amazed I could text a large number of girls at once, that's when I learned that skill was an advantage. This is actually hard for a lot of guys. Being able to just KEEP TRACK of what you said to Sally versus what you said to Susie and so on takes a lot of memory skill, focus, and patience.

                  Then there's the percentage vs numbers theory. You may only see him bedding 3 girls a week, but you don't see him text 100 girls a week giving him a 3% rate of return. His numbers may look good but the work he's putting in is terrible.

                  Quality over quantity. Is he fucking a lot of girls or a lot of HOT girls?

                  The good morning/good night texts is something i personally HATE doing. That's the ultimate sign of a long term relationship mindset. This could be leading the girl on. So on top of texting 100 girls a week, he's having the "we should just stay friends" talk with these girls 400 times a week when he could be having the "last night was fun, see you again friday" talk.

                  So at the end of the day, there is more to it than it may seem from the outside, but if it's working for HIM, then it's working.

                  [–]jadedspade 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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                  He's naturally RP, but he is seeking a LTR. He "wants to meet his wife already". He's gone through heartbreak and now he knows how to frame relationships and as much as he wants to and still does fuck random side chicks, the girls he sees as potential for LTR, he says he, "befriends them first and then slowly escalates".

                  Also, for the record, they are all smoking hot 8's and 9's. Like it's insane. And he must be in the upper 20% of men, because he gets it so easily he barely tries. He's like 6'3", thick and bulky, blond hair and blue eyes. He claims I'm just as attractive and I could do the same, but I wouldn't know for sure. I consider myself above average in looks, I'm 6'0" 160, like 10% bodyfat and have decent lean mass on me (wanna bulk up to like 180 fat swole), good facial aesthetics, but I've only slept with 4 women ever, which is fine I'm not too worried about that. He's also 3 years older than me.

                  It's just hard to say. I think sometimes we overthink texting which can lead to over investing, but it's such a big part of forming relationships nowadays that it's necessary. I just think when you assume everything the girl is saying is a shit test, you're overthinking, when you should just talk to them with your internalized RP mindset and go with your gut. Every response shouldn't branch off into different options like an RPG, it should be without much thought and natural. I think that's why texting like that works, because he honestly just doesn't care, and gives attention to who he wants.

                  Edit: And for the record those "Good Morning :)" texts aren't everyday. Just when he's feeling it.

                  [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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                  well said. If he is seeking an LTR, then he won't find it where the plates hang out. When you say friending first and then escalating, I'm assuming you mean he flirts with them and then asks them on a date later. This is normal. Had he actually friended a chick, he would be in the friend zone which is hard to dig out of.

                  His description sounds like the ken doll standard of beauty so no wonder he has no trouble. Add that on with an RP mindset in the field and he's unstoppable.

                  If you are overthinking texts, you are on the losing side of the text conversation. Notice how I predicted how the conversation would go several texts ahead of time? And from there I steered the boat accordingly. The only thinking I did was her question about protection. And I didn't mention it but I know she told me long ago how she hates the feel of condoms. SO that could have been the test of " will he say thats fine we can fuck raw just how you like it" or she was just legit remembering I like to be protected.

                  [–]erqos 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                  So you always use protection for intercourse. But do you ever go down on a woman? If so, what kind of precaution do you take? I ask because that's something I had wanted to do in the past, but it always seemed filthy to me and protection isn't really practical for eating out pussy. And now that they're talking about it possibly causing oral cancer, it really seems disgusting. Or do you just stick to the old in and out?

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                  Only girls I have ever gone down on were girls I had dated for some time. A time long enough for me to be trusting. It's one of those things I don't particularly enjoy but it gets the girl super turned on and pays off for me after so I suck it up (no pun intended).

                  There are oral protection called Dental Dams. I've never used one but I've heard its basically like a piece of saran wrap for her vagina and your mouth.

                  Condoms are the same. The only times I didn't wear protection were with girls I was already comfortable with, knew they were on birth control and always pulled out. I don't make it a habit. Any slip ups then I'm buying the morning after pill which is sold over the counter at your local pharmacy. Last time I got one it was about $42-52 USD. The price may have dropped by now as its widely available. I AM NO DOCTOR, but its basically a high dose of a birth control pill. So theoretically if you were desperate, your girl could use a double or triple dose of her usual birth control in replace of Plan B (the morning after pill)

                  [–]Doomsday_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  I don't think you needed to make the initial suggestion to meet for drinks at the cheesecake factory. When she asked you "Ok where do you want to meet up?" you could have just said your place or her place and left it at that.

                  [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  Thanks for your response. That's a really good suggestion. I just didn't want to seem TOO obvious with my intentions and risk the "you only want me for sex" talk coming right after it.

                  [–]PillClinton-AFBB 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  You beast!

                  Succinctness is next to godliness. May this appease the bots

                  [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  Thanks for your response. How did I not think of your user name. Brilliant Mr President. Maybe TRP Women have a MonicaPilLwinsky for ya

                  [–]averagecycle 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  THIS is the old TRP that I miss...thanks for the post man.

                  [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  Thanks for your response. I'm glad you enjoyed it. For every negative comment thus far, there have been 15 of these comments. Much appreciated.

                  [–]Tombstone31 3 points4 points  (5 children)

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                  This is way too much texting with a plate IMO. Quit playing fucking head games, you'll only get more invested than you want to.

                  [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

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                  Thanks for your response. The way I see it, either play head games with them, or they play head games with you.

                  [–]Tombstone31 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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                  There shouldn't be any room for a plate to play head games. If she makes you work for sex, or she threatens to walk away, you just move on. If you're too invested to do that, she's not a plate. If the relationship involves anything besides sex, she's not a plate. By texting her this much, and by exerting this kind of effort to get what you want, you're telling her that she is not a plate. Thus, she won't act like a plate.

                  [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                  The fact that I got sex despite shows that she is a plate.

                  [–]Tombstone31 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                  I don't think you understood what I said, but whatever. You don't seem interested in understanding a better way to go about this, so I hope it works out for you.

                  [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  Right or wrong, It's worked out quite well.

                  [–]hunotquite 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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                  Calling your texting session a "Step by step Guide" is very pretentious. It's not great and far from being 'an example to follow'.

                  [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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                  Got it. Please suggest a better title for next time. I'll make note of it just for you

                  [–]hunotquite 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  Well you can perfectly post this as a successful redpill example.

                  But guides are patterns that work on a big sample size and that apply to almost all women. If we all start making guides out of each successful convo, then we're not a community anymore, just a bunch of guys doing an ego contest.

                  [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  I probably should not used the word "guide", your response was actually the most level headed description why instead of a butt hurt message about how I'm claiming to be a master of the arts in texting. In no way do I want to claim this is the ONLY SPECIFIC PLAY BY PLAY way to do things. Women are on the same spectrum but still vary on parts of it.

                  This was meant to be more of an example. You're correct in your constructive criticism.

                  [–]CornyHoosier 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  The most important part was tell her what you are doing and asks if she wants to go along.

                  Also, don't apologize for shit, unless you like legit elbow her in the face on accident or something. It sounds stupid and flies right in the face of being a "nice guy" ... but what do you have to apologize for? If you do or do not want to do something the other person wants to do there is no need to apologize for nothing.

                  [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Thanks for your response, and Amen brother. Not once did I issue an apology. Thanks for commenting this because I had made note to myself to point that out in the analysis. Looks like I forgot to. Glad you brought up this vital part of the equation!

                  [–]BellatorCordis 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  I enjoyed your commentary.

                  How much of your text game effectiveness do you think is dependent upon the girls already-existing high level of attraction to you?

                  If the effectiveness is a consequence of how attracted to you a girl already is, are these dread/ambiguity strategies you employ useful for garnering attraction, or do they merely reinforce what attraction already exists?

                  [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Thanks for your response.

                  1. If a girl isn't attracted to you, she wont be texting you in the first place. If she is, she is either telling you "leave me alone creep" or "awww, you're the bestest friend ever :)" There is always initial attraction in text game.

                  2. It doesn't "garner attraction" but think of it as more of "garnering curiosity". You ever hear a girl tell her friend "I just can't seem to figure him out"? She's almost always talking about some hot asshole guy who treats her like shit, keeps her in the dark on his whereabouts and vaguely commits to her plans. This keeps them constantly trying to "figure you out" which they fall in love with that process.

                  Women always think they can change men, tame them and mold them into their own trophy. Remain un-moldable and you slip right through their clutches. They will constantly try to hold on.

                  [–]yummyluckycharms 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                  This is an excellent thread, and thank you OP for posting it.

                  There are two comments that I need to say about it.

                  1) This style of texting is an easy way of gauging interst level from a plate. There were numerous times she could've dropped out of the convo, but didnt, and thus signalled high interest. If a plate does drop out, then you know that the plate will be dropping pretty soon

                  2) Illustrates the top level strategic paradigm of SMV and the marketplace in action. If one sumarizes the interaction between the two parties, what is really happening is that the individuals are practicing price discovery through bidding. Ie. I'll let you spend time with me in exchange for ?.

                  In practice, she is saying that she can spend time with me if you hang out with my friends first, and he is saying, not worth my time. They then spend the next series of texts adjusting their bids hoping to find a happy medium. Only when she lowers the cost - which is the point where she says - just come over and fuck me - does he pull the trigger.

                  This is somethign every male should aspire to - as it ensures that your price, and thus smv, will remain high.

                  [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                  Thanks for your response. Your response is brilliant. Especially number 2. I never thought of it that way but thats exactly what's going one. I named my price and didn't budge. Had she been a harder negotiator, I probably would have "lowered my price" to what I thought the fuck was worth at the time. Well said buddy

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                  Saved for future analysis. Thanks!

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                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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                    Thanks for your response. You're right, she probably thinks that... Good.

                    [–]Sir_Fancy_Pants 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    Its quite interesting this, as I tried to imagine how i would act to your responses if they were from a woman i was interested in, and i responded the same as the actual woman did.

                    I would honestly think i would just ignore you, and think you were a bitch, and my life is better without you in it, so how she can still like you, is a testament to her differences to me.

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Thanks for your response, Women are a different species. We are the hunters and they are the gatherers.

                    [–]LukeMooney 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                    The other post you made with text was pretty poor imho. This is much much better. I would prefer to see the less engagement in actual conversation, no matter how well you do it, and more assertiveness and logistics. But overall, its good, your bluntness about meeting her friends / coworkers is a nice touch of soft dread, always seems to work. Sometimes I think saying I can't make a date is better (if she's suggested it) than actually going. If its on my terms its all good though.

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    Thanks for your response, you are absolutely correct. And yes, the other post you refer to, that bitch had me jumping through comical hoops but I'm not here to inflate my image. Had she rejected me I still would have posted it and let TRP rain their despise upon me.

                    "On my terms"-- this always. Good point

                    [–]LukeMooney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                    TRP rain their despise upon me.

                    lol - the one thing you can always rely on TRP for - honesty

                    [–]Ragu35 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    Those little side notes are great. I'm not too bad in person, but I just realized how much I've been supplicating to women via text and didn't even know it. I'm assuming that practice makes perfect, right? I wouldn't have been able to guess many of the "right" answers to some of those texts she sent you and probably would have screwed it up pretty early on.

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Thanks for your response. Don't be too hard on yourself. You will learn through practice and trial and error.

                    If you're better in person, keep your texts short and simply to set up a meeting, and then kill it there.

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                    I love the analysis but have a serious question. Is this par for the course in regards to how many messages it takes to schedule a meet up and flirt over text? I usually do a lot less messaging preferring to flirt irl(message to schedule the meeting a few days before, message to confirm day of, and go MIA in the time in between). It works sometimes but I get a decent amount of flakes if it's the initial meetup. I'm wondering if more frequency will help with the flakes.

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Thanks for your response. For an initial meet up, I would do more to keep them interested. In today's society when a girl can literally swipe you off of her interest list, you have to stay relevant. BUT your usual game of message few days before, day of and then MIA in between is perfect. If that's working (I'm sure it is) don't fix it

                    [–]temerarious 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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                    Interesting. So you never hang out with a plate and her circle of friends? Is this something you do, or is this pretty common advice given?

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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                    Good question. Sometimes I do but rarely. If I had to choose, I would choose to hang out with them alone. Once friends are introduced I find that they tend to escalate the situation and add drama to it. It won't take long until one of them asks her "so what are you guys?" and one thing women hate is admitting to their friends that they are just a plate. That's why I avoid these friend circles.

                    [–]temerarious 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    I've never tried that and honestly I think that would save me a lot of... social maneuvering I guess I'll call it. I usually figure it's good to make friends, so I'm always down. I've never once completely avoided a plate's circle of friends. How does that usually go down? Do you eventually have to explicitly say I never want to meet your friends, or do you just avoid and they never get too pushy?

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    I just avoid it when I can. It's a two way street usually. A plate won't introduce you to her friends if SHE KNOWS she's just a plate or has the slightest inclination. Inviting you out with her friends is her testing that theory if you have changed your perceptions of her. She doesn't want her friends knowing that she's a plate. Women are the hardest critics of their "friends"

                    EDIT- being your plate is her guilty pleasure

                    [–]mastercheifer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    This post was great, I can see where I would have slipped up and gave in.

                    Your notes are on point. Will try this out.

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                    Thanks for your response. Good to see you enjoyed it. I wish you the best. Let me know how it goes!

                    [–]chillmonkey88 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    I'm glad to read this to validate how my texting works (I don't break for anything and get "I figured" response when I tell them no to their plans)... I've had a few encounters fizzle out that don't really matter. (Random first dates that lead to nothing) but 3 plates that all contact me every weekend all relate to this and I do it well. That sentiment is "my time is valuable... I do what I want to do." all shit test me all the time and this helped me identify it... (one always asks if I want to hang with her family and chill out on their property (mom and dad are wealthy) the other always wants me to hang with friends because I'm good in party settings the last one is the most chill and my favorite). Good read very relatable...

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Thanks for your response. Sounds like they see you as a loving type of guy and want to claim you for themselves. Not a bad thing for when you're ready for a long term relationship. Not good for plate spinning. Stay the course my friend

                    [–]everydaymotherfucker 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    How similar is text game to IRL game? Can you give any examples of IRL game that relate to text game?

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Thanks for your response. Text game is similar to IRL game by the fact that they're both game. Besides that, they are apples and oranges.

                    IRL, you have to be quicker on your responses, that's why funny/witty guys have the advantage here. You have to be more comfortable with your surroundings AND hers. (her friends giving you dirty looks or pulling her away any chance they get) You have to keep her interested, keep her laughing, slight teasing and occasional touching (Kino).

                    With text you have a lot longer time to craft out your response and tailor fit it perfectly leaving less room for error. However you can show a true smile via text, you cant touch via text and you cant convey a friendly tone via text, so teasing can come across as "is he actually insulting me or joking?" The use of emoji and lol can help get that across but overuse will seem childish and desperate.

                    [–]-Thomas_Jefferson- 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    Addressing the audience would be second person.

                    I say that in a non aggressive way, I'm just trying to spread knowledge.

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                    Thanks for your response. As I was typing that, a small grammar demon on my shoulder kept telling me there is no such thing as second person. Dam him, should have consulted and confirmed with google. I knew it.

                    [–]AchillesOtherLeg 0 points1 point  (5 children)

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                    I understand the criticism about it being too long and engaged but actually I think the verbosity serves an educational and functional point.

                    1) By repeatedly forcing (some would say unnecessarily testing) his frame it is in extremely sharp focus and the plate is left in no doubt whatsoever as to her status relative to his and how the 'relationship' works. That level of domination must surely increase attraction and if I had to guess the frequency of freakyness in the bedroom.

                    2) We get to read the hamster in more detail. You can see him doing it and penetrating (pun intended) the hamster more deeply as a result.

                    Frankly the only measure of success we should be looking at is... did he get laid when he wanted and on his terms? He did... the end. If his tactics are working and you don't agree with them then there's something wrong with your assumptions. The only exception is if you have a comparable plate and some tight game to show us.

                    I'd consider comparable to be similar SMV ratio between you and subject, perhaps similar age and social situation.

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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                    Thanks for your response. I wish you were here doing the responding to some of my critics instead of me. You nailed it right on the head. Glad you took from it what I intended to be taken from this.

                    EDIT- Love the username

                    [–]AchillesOtherLeg 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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                    Yeah it could well be that I'm unqualified to speak having only taken up RP more recently but I think the 'always be closing' crowd are overlooking some of the more subtle aspects of mental game. Possibly because they are focussed on pump & dump. There's nothing wrong with P&D but it's a waste of resources and a self limiter on fine game from what I can see.

                    PS - Thought up the name on the spot & I'm still pretty happy with it.

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                    I agree with you. A couple guys here on the "Hello lets Fuck now bye" scheme which conversations like that only happen 5 maybe 10% of the time unless you're Channing Tatum and he says that to a chick face to face. Otherwise, what I post is a more realistic view of how it's most likely going to go down

                    [–]AchillesOtherLeg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    I believe that my perspective is coloured by my experience being heavily skewed in LTRs. The importance and dividends of fully dominating the other person stand out very clearly to me.

                    Obviously you're talking about a plate here but in my view that only increases the importance of the degree to which the subject is dominated. I'd predict that projecting as opposed to simply maintaining frame greatly enhances the quality of sex for the subject keeping her spinning that much more effectively.

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Brilliant. Women can subconsciously perceive what you portray. Confidence isn't an item you can hold or wear as a pin on your shirt, but it's something you project and they certainly can "see" that

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                    I'm not an EC but for what it's worth - ♂

                    Nearly flawless my man. That one point of being indecisive, I agree, was a slight crack in frame, but overall that was fantastic. Subtly communicated that you were sparse and high value and women eat that shit up. Thanks for sharing.

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                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    Thanks for your response. I'm glad you enjoyed the post. I'm not sure what an EC is though

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                    Endorsed Contributor, so my attempt to give you a point hasn't really done anything. Symbolic, at most.

                    [–]Hokuto199x 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    That was solid gold. You even had the presence of mind to recognize your own potential slip up in time to recover and maintain. I imagine this example will help a lot of people with their text interactions.

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Thanks for your response. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm not perfect, we all make mistakes. The key is to pick yourself back up and carry on

                    [–]Gnometard 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                    Holy hell, instantaneous results. Thanks for the lesson

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    Thanks for your response. I'm glad you took something from it.

                    [–]merkmerk73 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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                    Good job but it comes off as you're trying a little too hard to be alpha and in doing so become a bit of a dick.

                    A real alpha is firm but not mean because there's no reason to be mean. Real text game looks nothing like this 'display' but a much simpler, aloof exchange.

                    Not sure what the quality of this chick is but I can't imagine it was very high..6 at best.

                    That said better this than being a chump, and some of the earlier stuff (before you banged her) was spot on.

                    [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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                    Thanks for your response. I'm sure it came across as dickish from my annotations. Maybe I should tone it down a bit on that part, pull back the reins in the texting as well.

                    She was of high quality, but of low self esteem.

                    [–]merkmerk73 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    First part was spot on.

                    I think you can tone it down without losing your game but have more success with higher qual

                    [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    His game was spot on, it would work with HB 8s or 10s. He barely lost frame, and kept the power in the whole talk.

                    [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    That said better this than being a chump, and some of the earlier stuff (before you banged her) was spot on.

                    Who the fuck wants to talk about nothing? Kudos to OP for calling out childish behavior.

                    [–]PM_ME_BOOTYSHOTS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Same comment as last time:

                    Shorter, more to the point.

                    You're rubbing her face in it a bit much, which is why you're getting all the "Can we talk" stuff.

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                      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                      Because you're not in a relationship, no need to give her the impression that you are. Your time is valuable and you derive no value from wasting it humouring her.

                      [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                      Well said brother.

                      "Your time is valuable and you derive no value from wasting it humouring her."

                      Amen

                      [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 5 points6 points  (14 children)

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                      Thanks for you question. yes, i am a pro athlete and a model.

                      When I say "validate her reason", women/society has told women sex must be attached to love. So she wants ANY hint or sign that I had sex with her for even the smallest chance I'm interested in a relationship. Otherwise, she will feel guilty for having sex just because.

                      This turns into the whole "you only want me for sex" conversation or "i'm better than that, I deserve better, I'm not gonna let you use me" etc. This doesn't necessarily always mean that she will turn out to be clingy, but she is either grasping to cling on or lay the foundation for a long term monogomous relationship

                      [–]fullanalnelson 8 points9 points  (13 children)

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                      Have you tried this without looking like a model?

                      [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 5 points6 points  (12 children)

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                      Thanks for your response, and that is a very valid question. I've actually recently entered the modeling world and have been spinning this plate prior to that. However, she was on my fuck list knowing I was a pro athlete.

                      It's not LOOKING like a model or BEING a pro athlete that helps you win, it's the TITLE that comes along with either. Both of these TITLES carry weight of someone being successful, which means they have money which means they have power and influence. Women love that.

                      To give you an example of this before anyone calls bullshit, I was at a bar one night hitting on this girl who was the friend of my buddies GF. She was very short with me, uninterested in any of my conversation efforts and didn't give me the time of day. So I gave up and moved on to another chick.

                      4 days later, my buddy (John) sends me a screenshot sent to him from his GF (Jill) of a conversation between her and the friend I was hitting on (Sarah). It went like this.

                      Jill- Hey remember that guy who was trying to talk to you at the bar?

                      Sarah- Which one?

                      Jill- Johns friend, the ______ guy in the blue shirt.

                      Sarah-- yea, why?

                      Jill- I just googled him, did you know he was a (insert type of pro athlete here) ?!?!

                      Sarah- Omg NO!?! Really?!

                      Jill- Yea (sends link)

                      Sarah-- dam, I shudda fucked him

                      Re read that last line again in case you missed it. Women don't care what you look like, they care what you bring to the table. Look at Donald Sterling's wife and side chick for God's sake.

                      [–]blazingcopper 0 points1 point  (9 children)

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                      Hockey? Soccer? Or American sport?

                      [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

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                      I'd rather not say for the sake of my identity.

                      [–]blazingcopper 0 points1 point  (6 children)

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                      Do you find women just faking it to be with you? When you go to the hotels is it true there is a crowd of women in the lobby wrong to be taken to rooms to be banged?

                      [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

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                      Women won't "Fake it to be with you" unless they're getting something in return, like money.

                      I've been to hotels where there are women waiting around to be banged. This is usually at hotels near really upscale nightclubs or at nicer hotels in non-american countries.

                      [–]FallenHighSchoolJock 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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                      So what do we do if we aren't Pro Athletes or Models? I'm sorry but your looks and status totally ruin this case study for me. I know you're going to say that you have to project status or whatever but most of us can't conceivably come close to what you have in those fields making this a poor case study for 90 percent of the population.

                      [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

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                      Thanks for your response. And you bring a very valid point. However this worked pretty much the same for me before I was a pro athlete or model. Having that status made the INTRO much easier for me, but my appearance didn't change from the time I wasn't a model to the time I was.

                      In response to how YOU are supposed to project status, TRP talks A LOT about hitting the gym, bettering your self esteem and bettering your career. THESE are YOUR status symbols. Women essentially want a provider and protector. Become the best provider and protector you can.

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                        [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                        Thats awesome. Glad you took something from this

                        [–]the_red_scimitar 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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                        See, you're working way too hard. The whole point of plates is abundance. RP philosophy says you drop them when they become onerous.

                        [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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                        Thanks for your response, I will counter your "drop the onerous" argument with another theory. Business school would teach you that it is cheaper to KEEP a customer than it is to gain one. And I find this true to game at times.

                        Had I dropped her there and then, by the time I swiped through tinder, or went to a random bar and spit game or texted some other chick in my directory (not an option since I was in a city other than where I lived), I could have just easily kept this plate on the warmer.

                        I agree with your abundance statement, but sometimes you gotta call an audible on the field.

                        [–]ConfidenceMatters 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                        It's truly amusing how the less effort you put into it with women, the more they love you.

                        Your text game is solid. That being said, since you already fucked her before, the effort poured into this bang could have easily been MUCH less. Always adhere to the 2/3rds golden rule, especially with plates.

                        Also, after the bang replying to her about anything is a bad move. You may call it half-committing in order to keep her on the hook, but what should really keep her on the hook is 1) your dick game and 2) the feels you give her when you interact in person

                        [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                        Thanks for your response, you're exactly right. I just don't consider text game as "effort" since I'm literally twiddling my thumbs. I think my extensive analysis makes is seem like more than it really is.

                        I like your suggestion of "but what should really keep her on the hook is 1) your dick game and 2) the feels you give her when you interact in person"

                        Well said my friend

                        [–]1BaeCaughtMeJackinOff 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                        Godamn OP, you got this plate on lock down.

                        I hope one day I could pull off what you just did.

                        I gotta kill the beta voices in my head.

                        [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                        Thanks for your response. Those voices will fade away in due time. Either some girl will fuck you over so bad in the future that you are deafened to these voices (I don't wish this evil upon you) or with trial and error and practice, you will become more comfortable following the alpha voice on the other side of your shoulder. This gets easier as you see for yourself it works. Best of luck

                        [–]refrigerated -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

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                        Call me beta or whatever, but is it not a tad mean to string the girl along like this? I have no objections if both parties are on the same page and want the same things, but most of us know what being a beta bitch feels like (and it sucks) so why put someone else through that?

                        [–]Yoda7 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                        Heres the thing, the girls involved in this stuff prefer it. They have tons of betas at their disposal, but they dont want them. Shes getting what she wants. If she wanted a beta man, she would be spending her time there and not with OP.

                        [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                        I read somewhere in TRP that "A woman would rather share an alpha than be alone with a beta"

                        That's deep

                        [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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                        Thanks for your response, and you bring a valid point.

                        But as you see, had I hung out with her friends for 5 hours, engaged in useless conversation "how was your shoot?" or "what are you doing?" or even slept over that night, THEN I would be leading her on.

                        Avoiding these aspects allows me to keep a distance and let her know I am only willing to go strictly sexual.

                        I'm not going to call you a beta bitch, I'm not here to ridicule anyone.

                        You are comparing a woman stringing along a man to what I just did. The difference lies when a woman strings along a man, she may let him sleepover but justify it as "he's my best friend, we were just having a slumber party", or she flirts with you hardcore and when you make a move she backs down and says "no, you're like my brother"

                        To continue pressing on, not call her out or next her for this behavior is what has been deemed as beta. That is the difference.

                        [–]BlueChilli 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                        Wow, when you put it like that it makes perfect sense to me.

                        I'm new here and was trying to figure it out as well, and that cleared it up.

                        [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                        No problem. Glad I can help. Stay the course man, keep working at it and improving yourself. Make YOU happy.

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                          [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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                          Thanks for your response. I'm glad you took something from it. I may have another post here in a couple weeks. I'm about to hit the road again outside of the country as well. When I get back I hope to show an interaction with a complete stranger from the point I get her number.

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                            [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                            I looked up and read up on powertalk before answering. I would say there is definitely some of that going on when it comes to "negotiating" what we were going to do that night. Here is a very interesting link that used one of my favorite shows The Office to show exxamples of good and bad powertalk examples.

                            http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/11/11/the-gervais-principle-ii-posturetalk-powertalk-babytalk-and-gametalk/

                            [–]goldenbeardy -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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                            This is gold. Would love to see how you led up to the sex though. Or how you first got her number, how interactions after that went down. Just thinking step 1. Be attractive, step 2. Don't be unattractive.

                            [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                            Thanks for your response. HAHA I love the step 1 and 2.

                            I may have another post here in a couple weeks. I'm about to hit the road again outside of the country as well. When I get back I hope to show an interaction with a complete stranger from the point I get her number.

                            [–]goldenbeardy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                            That sounds good. I'm an average Joe, so pulling off text game is a struggle. I'm not the guy a girls mouth waters for over looks.

                            [–]Martelll -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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                            Any possibility for a picture? I want to see where she ranks on a scale.

                            [–]TheRpPhilosopher[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                            Ohhh man, that's risky. I'm against posting pictures of others against their will. Especially when THIS is the subject matter. I risk my identity being thrown out there as well.

                            [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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                            Wow. You're one pathetic excuse for a human being. She's not thinking you're some god amongst manly men. She's probably glancing at her phone and thinking "wow what a dick" then going about her day. Stop stroking your own ego.

                            [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                            wow what a dick" then going about her day

                            which is exactly why she has been riding his dick.