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[–]cashmoney_x 342 points343 points  (23 children)

"No Julio, I have rights too you know?!"

Isn't their solipsism amazing? HE WORKS EVERY FUCKING DAY yet she totally ignores that, likes it's just expected. So in her (and all of these chickenheads out there's) mind, it's her "right" not to contribute while he...still contributes. And for him to disagree is sexism.

Un-fucking-believable.

[–]massrabbler 78 points79 points  (5 children)

She has rights, but those aren't relevant here. No one cares about your rights because they aren't being 'infringed upon' , lady. We care about sharing the load, and you aren't pulling your weight.

It's funny that some women can't understand this simple logic.

[–]timodmo 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Another real world example of this mindset.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 8 points9 points  (0 children)

And this guy actually got downvoted.. but not enough for it to have been on a femhole sub; which is only further evidence that reddit has become a focal point for feminists.

[–]rebuildingMyself 23 points24 points  (0 children)

But she's giving him conditional access to her golden vagina! Tha alone should compensate him for everything he does and more! What is that? Sex on demand? Rapist!

[–]indarkcamo[S] 45 points46 points  (3 children)

You're right on point with this man.

[–]cashmoney_x 28 points29 points  (2 children)

I try bringing this up irl and I get blank stares or misogyny accusations. It's not tone, either. I'm fairly socially aware and know how to deliver things in ways that minimize resistance. I stopped bringing it up.

[–]indarkcamo[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

You're right not to bring it up. I prefer to let people live in their fantasy disney world. If they ask me why things are the way they are. I try my best to break it down for them and let them come to there conclusions.

[–]iwish4zombies 40 points41 points  (1 child)

When did paying for everything count for so little...

[–]marrio91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mainly where the state will just pay for everything if he doesn't.

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Solipsism yes and also feminism, it fucks women up in reality. It only took a couple of months of living in America and seeing how lazy and entitled American women are before Julio's wife tried to pull that massive shit test. She would have never ever dreamed of not providing for her family before coming to America. These cock carouseling riding dumb cunts will always scream for more like children until they are put in their place.

[–]TILnothingAMA 0 points1 point  (7 children)

I didn't know what solipsism meant, so I looked it up a while back. It's the Descartes definition of existence pretty much. I think we have been using the word incorrectly here. Is there a more proper word to use for this mental state?

[–]RobertCarraway 19 points20 points  (1 child)

It's a pretty accurate/awesome word really. Say you have a solipsic slip when you are on some heavy drugs (I have) - you believe that you are the only thing that is actually real, and that everything else exists for your benefit (or torture) in one way or another. Narcissists only care about themselves, but it doesn't mean that they don't acknowledge the independent existence of others. When you are two years old your world view is solipsism, not narcissism. Its kind of hard to describe a world view that is not necessarily selfish but rather twisted in a way so that everything that happens is in some way happening only to YOU and not to everyone/everything else too.

[–]Pdr_vzlr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great definition, now I get it

[–]ThePedanticCynic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think it was pretty well covered by /u/RobertCarraway, but if that was too dense for you:

It's like a computer game where everything exists to propel your story forward, or for your entertainment, and once they are off screen they sort of cease to be until you return.

[–]The_Psychopath 2 points3 points  (1 child)

For Descartes that was just the starting point of philosophy, solipsism is having that as the sum and whole of reality.

[–]indarkcamo[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This. The selfish nature of self.

[–]mex_rigel91 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They don't teach empathy at schools

[–]UrsusG 134 points135 points  (16 children)

This reads like a revenge porn story.

Maybe he fixed her attitude for a few weeks, but only thing he really accomplished is that his wife will now be hiding her passport from him and never travelling back to Mexico with him.

Nothing is stopping her from exercising 'her rights too' once back in the U.S. and there isn't much he can do about it, being married.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 54 points55 points  (6 children)

Why strategy won't work for a non-Mexican.

but only thing he really accomplished is that his wife will now be hiding her passport from him and never travelling back to Mexico with him.

For people from developing countries, family is everything. Never going back to Mexico means never seeing her family again.

Also if she dumps Julio, back in Mexico she will be the bad person. If Julio has a ranch and a business, when he gets back to Mexico he has as much pussy as he wants.

Possibly Julio already has soon pussy on the side, and that is why the wife started to freak when he went back to Mexico without her.

[–]indarkcamo[S] 21 points22 points  (5 children)

That could be true. they are residents and dont have full citizenship. I dont know how the law works in their case. I think that is why he dragged it out long, to make sure that the change was more genuine than just faking to come back. If she knows whats best for herself knowing she has a good provider she will accept her role. I dont think she will revert unless he shows weakness.

[–]vicious_armbar -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Yeah he should have left her ass in Mexico! She'll start acting up again in a few weeks. If he tries to pull the same thing she'll refuse to leave with him. What then?!

I'm sure Julio could get his hands dirty, given the line of work he's in. I'm not sure he would want to do that in America though, where the police actually give a fuck; and you can't buy your way out of trouble.

[–]arbyq5000 5 points6 points  (1 child)

you can't buy your way out of trouble

well, you might not be able to...

[–]HalfAsianBob 77 points78 points  (128 children)

Everyone gives Mexican shits but they're actually great folks. The killing is crazy but that's largely circumstantial. If I were involved in that kind of scenario id probably be a drug lord too.

[–]indarkcamo[S] 29 points30 points  (1 child)

When they go into that work they know and accept the dangers. And it surprises no one. A few months ago another cousin of mine was murdered because of his "work". He left my 2 year old nephew fatherless. I did mourn for him because i grew up with him and he was close fam but the out come did not surprise me.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

honest mexicans are some of the best people I know in terms of hard work, ethics, and integrity.

about 2 months ago, I left my car keys at a river area in my city, when visiting the river with some friends. i had given us all a ride to the spot-- we walked up to my car and I realized I forgot my keys at the river shore, about .25 mile away. I ran down there to a group of 3 hispanic ppl (likely central american or southern mexican), obviously immigrants, and I was looking around the area... one of them held out his hand holding my keys. I thanked them profusely and ran back to my friends & car...

[–]Lt_Muffintoes 8 points9 points  (120 children)

The killing is crazy but that's largely circumstantial.

Yeah, the US government is 100% responsible for what's going on there.

Migrant workers who actually work are one of the best things that can happen to a region. Lower prices, more competitve exports, more innovation. People who are afraid of (natural) immigration are afraid of having to work hard.

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    [–]1sailorJery 10 points11 points  (10 children)

    The US government incentivizes their behavior to such a point that it is inevitable. If drugs weren't in such high demand on the black market they would lose most of their operating capital.

    [–]bam2_89 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    That's not the government. It's private capital. It's not like drugs are more legal here than they are in the rest of the world, we just happen to be rich and nearby.

    [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (93 children)

    Getting rid of minimum wage will allow everyone to get a job.

    [–]smokeybehr 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Getting rid of minimum wage will allow everyone that wants to work to get a job.

    FTFY.

    We also need to de-incentivize public assistance to make employment more attractive than welfare.

    [–]saucey_cow -1 points0 points  (18 children)

    Getting rid of minimum wage will turn the US's labor market into China's. There's reasons why they have it the way it is, way back when children would work 12 hour days only to get paid pennies.

    [–]Donutmuncher 5 points6 points  (12 children)

    You think the majority of US citizens will work for $0.05/hour because there are no minimum wage laws?

    [–]saucey_cow 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    US citizens? Nah, probably not. Thing is, when you have a bunch of immigrants coming over that'll work for dirt cheap because the country they've come from is shit, people will work for .05 and hour because that's 4 cents more than what they were paid in their native country.

    [–]varisforge -4 points-3 points  (9 children)

    They've done it before. What makes anyone think that in 20 years without a minimum wage we wouldn't be again?

    [–]Fzed600 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    5cents was also worth something 100 ,years ago.

    [–]Donutmuncher 0 points1 point  (6 children)

    You'd be willing to work for $0.05 in 20 years?

    [–]dakkr 4 points5 points  (5 children)

    Are you being facetious or do you genuinely not understand that he was exaggerating in order to make a point?

    [–]bam2_89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    If that were true, no one would make more than minimum wage.

    [–]watersign 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    Minimum wage is a bunch of horseshit. If anything it would drive up actual wages if it were to be removed. That..and getting rid of taxes or making it a very low amount.

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      [–]1trplurker 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Well there is an argument that artificial floors on the price of labor result in an inflated cost of living. Since these floors don't apply to jobs higher then the floor, yet cost of living does, the presence of an artificial floor lowers the disposable income of higher then minimum wage earners.

      EX

      Person A makes $5 USD an hour in a unskilled job

      Person B makes $10 USD an hour in a skilled job, a 200% increase of gross income per unit of work over person A.

      Law goes into effect creating a $7.5 USD an hour floor, person A's wage now goes to $7.50 but person B is still $10 USD. Person B is now only 33% above person A.

      Now since per unit cost of labor went up, prices start to raise. This isn't instant but it does happen as local inflation takes place. The easiest way to measure this is the price of a cheeseburger and the price of underwear over a period of time. Eventually the prices will stabilize at a point that person A still has the same disposable income as they had originally since the economic value of their unskilled labor didn't rise. Person B now has less disposable income and their quality of life would be reduced.

      This is why so many economists are against a minimum wage, it can never help and economy as it does nothing to raise the value of the work itself. Raising the minimum wage, by definition, can not raise anyone out of poverty, it only moves the line of poverty upwards. If you pay everyone in a country $100,000 USD an hour, they don't suddenly all become millionaires living millionaire lifestyles. The exact same logic applies, quality of life and cost of living are directly tired to the unit cost of labor. Raising that value only serves to distort the economy and create imbalances. Manufacturing leaving the USA is a direct consequence of minimum wage and forced unionization laws.

      [–]its4thecatlol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Now since per unit cost of labor went up, prices start to raise

      The quantity of money is still the same. Inflation won't be considerably affected. MV = PT. The amount of money * its turnover = Price Level * Transactions

      First of all, there is no broad consensus on the minimum wage among economists. Particularly in recent years, there's been a plethora of data coming out that calls into question the old neoclassical models where workers get priced out. Minimum wage increases give poorer people more spending money and lessen reliance on government welfare spending. It's essentially shifting the burden of public assistance from the public to the private sector. A major benefit of it is increased consumer spending.

      The jury is still out on the MW, and it's a hotly debated topic but here is what the anti-minimum wage group says: (It has nothing to do with inflation)

      The guy making $5 more than likely won't be given $7.50. His work was worth $5, and now the business will lay him off. I know for example in McD's they're going to replace workers in areas with a minimum wage above somewhere in the $12-15 range with automated machines. At $8, it's cheaper to hire the Mcployee. But now it's becoming economical to get the machines.

      That's usually what happens. A substantial amount of the lower-wage workers are priced out of the market entirely and become dependent on government assistance. The ones who don't get fired are considerably better off, though.

      Many economists supporting the minimum wage do so only out of pragmatism because more favorable policy alternatives to tackle economic inequality (ie. the negative income tax) aren't even on the table.

      [–]WAFC 0 points1 point  (5 children)

      A job that doesn't pay the bills is worthless.

      [–]Donutmuncher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Are you saying you want to ban people from earning lower than the minimum wage?

      [–]hcirtsafonos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Your bills should only amount to what you can afford.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Which is incentive to move up.

      [–]WAFC 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Broke people (people desperate enough to take jobs that don't even cover their bills) aren't lacking for incentive in most cases. They're lacking for ability and/or opportunity.

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        [–]jmottram08 3 points4 points  (31 children)

        No, it means that it will be valued correctly.

        [–]Donutmuncher 6 points7 points  (12 children)

        The socialists here will hate you for this

        [–]jmottram08 2 points3 points  (11 children)

        Meh, its pretty hard to argue against it.

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          [–]jmottram08 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          This is absurd.

          You are saying that you value people just for being American, and fuck everyone else.

          That is... interesting.

          Look, in general americans are better educated and mroe entreprenueal than other cultures. This is fine, its just gives us an advantage.

          But you want more than that. You want us to use soldiers on the borders to keep out anyone from the rest of the world that just wants to feed their family by working.

          That is sad.

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            [–]bam2_89 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            Because we had no unemployment in the US prior to 1938 when the first Federal minimum wage law was passed, right? Oh, wait…we introduced the minimum wage as part of a campaign to pull out of the worst unemployment crisis before or since.

            [–]1sailorJery -3 points-2 points  (32 children)

            why believe something like that?

            [–]ISODAK 6 points7 points  (31 children)

            Supply and demand applies to labor as well. If there's a shortage of demand for [unskilled] labor (unemployment), it's because the price for unskilled labor is too high. People would naturally respond by being willing to work for less in order to get a job, but that behavior is prevented by law. Thus, mandatory unemployment.

            Minimum wage sounds nice in principle, but makes it really hard for young/unskilled workers. It's like cutting the bottom rungs off the employment ladder.

            [–]massrabbler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            People can still get around the system by paying cash for children to help them out (which is perfectly reasonable, imo), but it's a lot harder to do that with an adult.

            [–]jmottram08 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

            just means that the lazier ones we already have will just suck up more resources from our social safety nets.

            Then fix the social safety nets.

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              [–]smokeybehr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              You simply cannot have open borders and a generous welfare state and expect a country to survive.

              [–]jmottram08 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              And the only branch of the only political party in the US that wants to actually do this (tea party) are labeled crazy.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Have you signed up for Minuteman 2.0 Operation Normandy yet?

              http://www.minutemanproject.com/operation-normandy

              [–]sir_wankalot_here 3 points4 points  (4 children)

              Family in developing nations is like being a member of a military unit. The worst fights in army bars used to be between members of different units. Two guys start fighting and before you know it all them members of each unit start fighting each other.

              In a case like that, civilians should never get involved, there is a good chance the army guys will turn on the outsiders.

              If possible in a place like Mexico you never want to fight a local. If things turn nasty you might end up fighting an entire family. Violence in many parts of the world is an acceptable way to solve problems.

              [–]Lt_Muffintoes -1 points0 points  (3 children)

              I don't disagree. Some societies place extremely high value on K-selection.

              This doesn't alter the fact that the US's War on Drugs is the direct causal agent for the violence in Mexico.

              [–]sir_wankalot_here 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              The politically correct idiots in USA are making the situation worse because they don't understand the culture.

              Where I am, despite the police being ineffective and the massive poverty, the crime rate isn't much worse then USA. The community learns how to fix their own problems, and if you are not being a total asshole people leave you alone.

              Expats usually start shit which they can't finish. In bars if you bump into someone say you are sorry. If the guy politely tells you to leave him alone, leave him alone. If you get into a disagreement always leave the other guy a way out so he can save face. If things start to get out of control play the foreigner card, appologize and tell the other guy things got lost in translation. This provides a face saving way out for both of you. He will probably buy you a drink, you buy him a drink, and then you both end upbgood friends.

              Where I am there have been incidents where two guys start arguing over something trivial, and it can end up with both guys trying to hack each other appart with machettes. Replace a machette with an assault rifle it isn't going to end well.

              [–]1ww1ww1 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

              the US government is 100% responsible for what's going on there.

              No one is forcing Mexicans to illegally and immorally push drugs across the border. If I offer you $5,000,000 to kill someone, and you do so, it is still you who is ultimately responsible for the murder, although I hold responsibility as well. Maybe this kind of attitude is why Mexico is such shit right now.

              [–]DrQuaid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Who's the guy? and do you need my number?

              [–]pl231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Every single one I've ever dealt with has been as hard-working as anyone I've ever met and so easy to get work done with.

              [–]hohamocha 28 points29 points  (6 children)

              Julio an "import/export entrepreneur"

              This guy is a fucking master strategist.

              Well he is a drug lord, what do you expect?

              [–]indarkcamo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              lol you're right. i wouldn't expect anything else from a guy like this.

              [–]moralprolapse -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

              I don't see this as Red Pill. I see this as borderline human trafficking. Red Pill is making a woman who can walk away realize that she doesn't want to. It's not making a woman choose between living like a servant or living in the 3rd world.

              Edit: Any dipshit in the Western world can import and socially isolate an immigrant woman. I don't think that's red pill. And why is his son a pawn in this?

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Red Pill is making a woman who can walk away realize that she doesn't want to

              Funny, seems to me that's exactly what happened in the FR.

              Sometimes you need to spell out consequences to women, because they come from highly privileged mindsets.

              [–]remxei 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              Taking a person's passport is illegal.

              [–]babydoll66045 9 points10 points  (2 children)

              2 weeks later, she files for divorce, and he has to take care of his own damn self.

              [–]indarkcamo[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Mexican women are a lot more loyal and willing to put in effort into a man who is a good provider.

              [–]VarsitySlutTeamCpt 14 points15 points  (0 children)

              Dawg that's emotional abuse don't do that shit

              [–]curiousthis 31 points32 points  (41 children)

              Right out of Taming of the Shrew.

              Once you get past the language, you can realize how deeply into TRP Shakespeare was.

              Add him to your reading list. If only for historical context and how AWALT.

              [–]indarkcamo[S] 4 points5 points  (27 children)

              Nice ive been needing new material to read. Thanks for the recommendation i will be checking it out.

              [–]silentSmooth 13 points14 points  (26 children)

              Check out Macbeth; you can read the whole play through the eyes of trp. Macbeth, a man of honor, manipulated by his wife, urged to kill his king. It's almost a polemic of how women can upset the natural order of society. (As shown by the witches).

              [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 3 points4 points  (10 children)

              Middle English is annoying as fuck to read. Thou's and thy's and the irritating syntax.

              [–]aakksshhaayy 6 points7 points  (4 children)

              One point of argument, those texts are written in Early Modern English. Middle English would be very much incomprehensible to us.

              http://www.shakespeare-online.com/biography/shakespearelanguage.html

              [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Interesting article. I found macbeth and chauser equally annoying back at school. We had to stop every couple of lines, or if we were lucky, stanzas, to annotate the fuck out of some archaic shit nobody could comprehend. Hearing people try to orate that shit was equally hilarious.

              [–]robot-b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              That's what I was like in school too, but recently I have started tutoring high school students and they do a lot of Shakespeare, and I find I can read the baird with almost no problem now

              [–]Iupvoteforknowledge -1 points0 points  (2 children)

              There are translated versions in modern English.

              [–]1sailorJery -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              I think it helps improve reading comprehension to cut your teeth on it from time to time, nothing worth doing is easy.

              [–]indarkcamo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              i remember reading it in high school with blue pill eyes. I think its time for a revisit with fresh red pill eyes. Thanks.

              [–]Hiscore -1 points0 points  (13 children)

              No, Shakespeare implies specifically that Macbeth is too ambitious. It had little to do with the wife.

              [–]TheSatoriMovement -1 points0 points  (12 children)

              I think that more shows that it has to do not only with the wife; whether the wife plays a dynamic or not has not yet been disproven.

              Eg. Leaving the lights own raises the utilities. Re: No, it is pretty clear that leaving the water running raises the bills. I hope this analogy shows you what I mean

              [–]Hiscore 5 points6 points  (11 children)

              Well, that's not true. There's a lot of analytics surrounding Macbeth. Everything has been proven. It's not so much that the wife is the cause of Macbeth's evil decisions. Lady Macbeth just slightly antagonizes the situation. She is in no way the cause. Just another factor. This red pill shit is crap.

              [–]savois-faire 7 points8 points  (3 children)

              You're a 100% correct, but what you've said isn't explicitly anti-women so in this sub it will be downvoted to pieces.

              [–]Hiscore 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              Yeah, that's pretty sad that there is such a huge sexism problem here. They need to take it down a notch and accept that not everything is the woman's fault. It's somewhat reminiscent of Nazi intolerance to the Jews.

              [–]savois-faire 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              I came here originally for the self-improvement element the people here will all jump at the chance to tell people is "what this sub is all about", after a few days I realized what it's actually about (and understood why they wouldn't want to blatantly put that out there) and realized the TRP philosophy is based on the minds of 16-year olds, an incredible stack of pseudo-science, and the most baffling examples of confirmation bias just coming in one after the other.

              I still occasionally check in (on this new account) for fitness tips, but I have no time for the whole "women are just naturally inferior, that's why they've never gotten anything done as a gender" followed by the "all of our problems are because women have taken over the world and are oppressing us poor, poor men" horseshit. Half of this sub is little boys dramatically failing at being men. All this bitching and whining about women and "feminazi's" (just the fact that they use a term like that un-ironically without cringing tells you it's mostly 16-year olds). Be a man and grow a pair.

              I actually came to this thread from /r/badhistory's thorough debunking of all the confirmation-bias-driven bullshit being said about Shakespeare here in this thread.

              [–]TheSatoriMovement 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              That is funndamentally different than what you said. Saying "it was this" does not mean "it was not this". The first comment was you saying it former, and now you're saying the latter. It could be perfectly true (though I'm dubious there is a consensus on Shakespear, though not impossible. Having read postmodern intrepretations of shakespear but not this specific play or any of the analysis I'll just say I'm remaining doubtful), but you've added another logic proposition in your second response.

              You've come here (which for you: why?) with a closed mind, so I don't know what you expect to get out of it. That's truly wasting your own time.

              [–]Hiscore 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              Let me clarify my stance. I should have used better wording. What I should have said was "proven to a reasonable extent". Of course there will be people who interfere differently when it comes to older pieces of literature. However, I (very briefly) studied the play and my class concluded the same as I. Everyone agreed that Lady Macbeth was a catalyst but not in and of herself a cause.

              Now, I'm not sure how I ended up in this sub, but I definitely did not come in closed minded. I'm a very active supporter of MRA. I stand up for male rights. This thread, however, how proved without a doubt that TRP tries to find abuse and sexism wherever it can. It's just as bad as feminism. Some of you guys are like rabid dogs. I just wish the majority of your base would open up and see what they're becoming. I recommend staying at /r/mensrights

              [–]TheSatoriMovement -1 points0 points  (1 child)

              "how proved without a doubt that TRP tries to find abuse and sexism wherever it can. It's just as bad as feminism" Though i don't agree or disagree (I'm pretty new to reddit altogether), I can definitely respect that sentiment. Again not endorsing it, but it is important to recognize when that might be happening and things are becoming bastardized and contrived, and own up to it. Frankly I'm too uninitiated in either topics to contribute anything meaningful anymore.

              [–]Hiscore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              As an experienced Redditor, I highly recommend staying far away from this place. Go to /r/mensrights. The people here try and corrupt you. They make you think of women as some evil force, when really it's just some feminists causing issues that we can fix by banding together as MRAs. This place is just flat out misogyny.

              [–]MichaelKeaton 8 points9 points  (7 children)

              I'm a little confused. Any indication of what might have caused the sudden attitude change once in the US? I mean, you said he was successful in Mexico. Was it the american media? Making friends with shitty american women?

              [–]indarkcamo[S] 49 points50 points  (6 children)

              she made friends in her yoga class.

              [–]grimreaperx2 20 points21 points  (4 children)

              You know its amazing, I am a first gen kid and my parents still have that foreign look/attitude. You wont believe the women who make assumptions based on my mom and dads appearances. My mom after all of her kids were grown up decided to take a job as a substitute teacher since she no longer had to watch after us. Anyway she and some other teachers working there started talking and mostly focusing on her "foreignness." Long story short; Basically they assumed she was forced into her marriage, she had no rights, was forced to stay home, etc. My mom ripped them a new one. <3

              [–]indarkcamo[S] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

              Same here. it amazes me how Red Pill my mom is too. When i was a blue pill beta kid in a 6 year relationship with my highschool GF. She would constantly rag on me for doing things for my girlfriend saying that she should be a woman and take care of the man. she has given me some good damn advice.

              [–]Iupvoteforknowledge 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              Ha ha lucky, my mom was the exact opposite, told me to constantly supplicate and dad was never around so fuck I had a lot of indoctrination to undo.

              [–]sir_wankalot_here 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Talking to Mexican women who are married to stupid weak American men.

              [–]GruntStyle0311 15 points16 points  (9 children)

              I see that a lot in Mexican women. (I live in the Phoenix area) They got some attitudes haha. I've spun a good few Hispanic plates, even had a serious relationship with one, and from my experience... They are either really caring, passionate(spicy ;]), fun, and glad to please their men; Or they are conceited, narcissistic, and bitchy. I have yet to find an in between. I think the major polar distance is due to traditional vs Americanized, respectively.

              [–]indarkcamo[S] 20 points21 points  (8 children)

              I've found that the conceited, narcissistic and bitchy behavior come from the hispanic girls who come from wealthy families. And if they are light skinned and white looking. Fucking forget about it. The cunts think they can walk on water.

              [–]desertcoyote77 7 points8 points  (2 children)

              I see that all the time with the lighter skinned Mexicans of Spanish decent. I live in a border city and it just puts me off so damn much.

              [–]indarkcamo[S] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

              Its insane. I live on the border with Tijuana if you're anything other than light skinned and you are not an upper echelon alpha male. you might as well be another species of human because they are racist to the bone.

              [–]humankin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Pure status seeking and empowered to be terrible because they're desired. I imagine there's also a lot of (actual) privilege involved but I've only heard beauty standards whining w.r.t light-skinned women south of the US.

              [–]GruntStyle0311 5 points6 points  (4 children)

              I learned that one the hard way. I made the mistake of getting too involved with one of the white complexed ones.... Glad she pulled the messed up shit she did before I caught too many feelings.

              [–]indarkcamo[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              They definitely are spoiled entitled little cunts. I see it all the time. They treat people like shit. Have no respect for people they're racist and are wicked sluts. I only like the sluts part. But i would not put up with one of them for more than a few fucks.

              [–]GuacamoleInMyChoes 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              I saw a documentary awhile ago about the differences between Chicanos children and mexican children. Entitlement was one of the biggest issues for the kids of the immigrants.

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                [–]ruskeeblue 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                This same scenario played out with a Persian friend of mine. He brings his wife from Iran and after a few months starts playing the Princess. He buys tickets for a vacation and leaves her back in Iran , at her parents house no less. LoL. He flew back without her. Said he is divorcing her .

                [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                This is similar to hardball negotiation. A chump who reads a negotiation book will read "be willing to walk away" and he'll dick around a little and try to play the game, but the person making the offer will see through it and keep lowballing him until he cracks down and takes just enough that he won't actively be looking for other work. He wasn't willing to actually lose the offer in pursuit of what he wanted, so he doesn't get what he wants; pretending doesn't cut it.

                This is real dread game. Nuclear dread game. It's also why marriage is fucking retarded - look at the lengths this dude has to go through, and his wife still could probably get the kid, half his money, send him to jail / get him deported, and get protective custody like THAT. (If you're right about his line of work.) If you have to use nuclear dread to make something work, then it's not worth doing (by nuclear dread I mean like kicking them out of the house and putting their stuff out, not your average dread game).

                I know some foreign families like this, many of whom were poor Chinese / Korean families, until one day a man decided to break his back trying to give them the good life in America, sending them to college, etc. Very unappreciative kids / wife who basically run all over the dad who made it all happen, sends checks to their parents, etc. I guess they weren't willing to do nuclear.

                [–]The_Psychopath 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Well a drug lord has more options, if she still hasn't learned and goes back to the way she was and threatens to turn him in he knows some guys that can get rid of her for him.

                [–]QuantumHumanMyAss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Made me think of this: http://youtu.be/ts4sEBb2K3s

                [–]810809 10 points11 points  (6 children)

                "I have rights too you know?!"

                What is that even supposed to mean?

                [–]Dark_Shroud 17 points18 points  (2 children)

                It means she decided she didn't want to take care of the household anymore.

                She let some other women put ideas in her head about how she was basically her husbands house slave.

                [–]babydoll66045 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                It means she's not his slave, and if he wants a sandwich, he fucking has hands and feet of his own to go make it.

                [–]Dreamtrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                She felt safe in the US, the husband's a drug lord from looks of it, it may have been a response to fear and control that's missing between the lines in the story. She's probably glad the husband didn't kill her there and then when he did what he did to 'discipline' her.

                But then again, I can't feel much empathy towards women that seek men in that trade.

                [–]indarkcamo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                im assuming she was feeling like a victim having do things for her husband.

                [–]humankin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                It's the kind of powertalk tools use or more precisely this is the internalizing of memes whose effect is to radicalize women against men and strengthen feminism (but not necessary women's rights activism). Trying to parse the words themselves, even as idioms, is mistaking her speech for straight talk.

                Women are socialized to engage in gametalk anyway since gametalk is how women build friendships*. Feminism is almost pure powertalk. Here, this woman engaged in gametalk with her yoga friends which resulted in powertalk with her husband. The purpose of which was to raise her power relative to him. He recognized what she was actually saying and responded by reminding her of the underlying reality of their relative power.

                * Men do it too but we also engage in a lot of straight talk. My experience is that men build strong friendships through shared endeavors in addition to liking and trusting each other. Straight talk is necessary for creative solutions to shared problems,

                [–]liftedhabits 19 points20 points  (1 child)

                The mom and kid kept saying, "give us Juan more chance, Julio!"

                [–]spartan1337 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                As a mexican moving to the US soon with my possible future wife this is highly relevant to my internets

                [–]indarkcamo[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                hahaha. You got this dude. You've got TRP with you.

                [–]Sauerkraut206 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

                Just come here legally please

                [–]watersign 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                The passport thing was what kept her in control. I used to live in San Antonio and I immediately was shocked by how respectable the Mexicans were down there (im from the northeast).

                Miss that place...good story btw.

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                  [–]watersign 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Im pretty racist and while I don't care for latinos, I do respect the fact that they actually work, unlike most blacks.

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                    [–]sway_usa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    His kid might actually have a fighting chance at being a man.

                    [–]rfactor747 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                    This is the most retarded shit I have ever read

                    [–]Rhybon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    Until one day he gets home after putting in work and providing for the family, he asks his wife calmly to fix him up a meal as he is really hungry and cannot wait. She replies "No Julio, I have rights too you know?!"

                    Eddie Murphy did a stand-up segment that is quite similar to the problem in this story:

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIwpypavI4o

                    [–]Isaiah4verse1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Frame frame frame! Latin dude sure know how to keep their women in check! I wish I could shake this blokes hand..

                    [–]Maecilla 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                    This is a terrible Red Pill example. I can guarantee you that the "he took our passports" story will stay forever and be used as ammo to ruin his reputation with family and friends. He has only taught his wife and son that he will basically exile and imprison them if they refuse to obey him (as opposed to creating a genuine desire to please, out of fear he'll just walk away). That kind of fear does not lead to respect.

                    [–]sir_wankalot_here 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                    I don't know Mexican culture, but in many developing nations there is a good possiblity it might increase his reputation. It shows he is a man that you do not triffle with.

                    Possibly Julio's more traditional friends might mock him for adopting American ways. Julio why waste time with this passport shit. Why you don't just smack the wife one to show her who boss.

                    [–]jolly--roger 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    What's a better approach then? Marriage counseling with the Jr. putting his father in jail?

                    [–]indarkcamo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    that's a reasonable outcome.

                    [–]tmpjb 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                    Not really about "shit testing" it's more about power. Whoever is more willing to leave the relationship has power over the other. He has a level of independence where they need him more than he needs them and so he withdraw support until things change. A more common example with this is where wife doesn't feel like having sex like they used to so she can demand favors from the husband in exchange for sex a few times a. week. This is probably the main reason marriage is bad because if you encounter a problem there isn't much you can do.

                    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    What a typical fucking female. The man works his ass off, and the minute he provides a secure life for her, she decides she doesn't want to do shit. Rights? What right entails a home maker (the easiest fucking job in the world next to no job at all), who's literal job is cooking and cleaning and shit to not do her fucking job?

                    Your cousin is a better man than I. I would she. Sold my son and wife to the cartels.

                    [–]1wakethfkupneo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Some story!

                    The first part reminds me of this old classic (ignore the Swedish subs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts4sEBb2K3s

                    [–]ven5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I'd like to meet "Julio." I love how he saw right through the sweet voice the second visit. A lot of guys don't catch on to that and think the problem is fixed too soon.

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Julio still owns a ranch in mexico.

                    He plans a family weekend down at his ranch. His unsuspecting wife and son happily acquiesce to the weekend.

                    "Oh baby, I forgot to tell you, you aren't coming back home with me until you learn to be my wife again and Julio Jr. is staying here with you until he learns respect." his wife loses her shit so Julio gets in the car and leaves with out them.

                    Master level shit right there indeed.

                    [–]evange 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I hope he enjoys his divorce. If my significant other pulled shit like that he'd no longer be my significant other.

                    [–]schweppesy 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                    The second she gets back to the USA the divorce she can pull will sure teach him a lesson right back. Honestly, this story reads like some selfish losers wet dream. Did you make this shit up all on your own OP or did you need help?

                    [–]sir_wankalot_here 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                    What is happening in Mexico right now ? Worst case scenario for Julio is he loses his American house. She might be able to arrange it so he is denied entry to USA in the future. All that means for Julio is he gets a cousin to take over his US operations.

                    She will be unable to go back to Mexico.

                    Your comment is almost as comical as the guy who said she will call the Mexican cops. In a developing country you learn never to call the cops.

                    [–]indarkcamo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    haha. He didn't imprison he simply left them at their second home. I think put in perspective what he had to offer to them if they played by the rules.

                    [–]desertcoyote77 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                    Divorce? Good luck with that. The next time we see her will probably be on Telemundo as an unidentified body chopped up in a suitcase.

                    [–]rpsheepdog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Looks like a pretty good use of the resources he's got

                    [–]Zchavago -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                    I swear, some of the stories some of you guys make up, just crack me up.

                    [–]areyousrslol 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    He's also a smuggler or drug trafficker

                    [–]IFUCKINGLOVEMETH 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    What sends him over the edge for a more effective strategy is an argument he had with his son a few days later in which the kid threatened that he would call the police on Julio and send him to jail.

                    Call the police on him for doing what -- and were the charges true? That part matters.

                    [–]Gstreetshit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    "You dont even know what a Right is"

                    [–]1trplurker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    So obvious that many of the readers here haven't been outside of their little first world bubbles.

                    Guys in non first world nations, life is worth very little and your only value is what you can do. You are quite literally valued by your labors alone. This guys story is something that's very common for those who marry foreign brides, nearly all of my coworkers happen to have those. And there is a very strong recommendation that either you never bring her back to the USA (we are all Americans) or you go full asshole and make it clear you'll ship her back to wherever you found her.

                    People think marrying foreign is somehow easier, it's not. Getting into the relationship is easier because your nationality and access to more resources brings with it an increase in SMV. Staying and maintaining control on the other hand is harder as she has a preconceived notion that your soft and will constantly try to take power from you and assert her authority over you. First by denying sex, and then by failing to uphold her half to marriage agreement. Can't let her get away with any of it, not a single time.

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                      [–]redditcdnfanguy -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

                      The future will look back on feminism the way we look back on witch trials and alchemy in the 'how could they have been so stupid?' school.

                      Ladies - your rights are doomed. Either the West will twig to the scam and revoke them OR Islam will take over - either way - it's over.

                      [–]hohamocha -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                      look at /r/bluepill discussion over this. Its hilarious. They completely leave out the fact that the wife and son did nothing to come to the USA, it was all the effort of Julio. so Julio has every right to send them back to mexico and decide he is not going to take care of them anymore.

                      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 0 points1 point  (7 children)

                      Guaranteed any women reading this will equate this with abuse. They only see it from their myopic perspective -- woman doesn't get everything she wants, automatically becomes abuse.

                      There are expectations in a marriage, work that is usually divided between the partners. Modern women want to eschew any and all responsibilities, but want men to be held accountable to theirs.

                      Do you think any woman would read this story and think "This is no different than if he decided one day he's not going to provide for her"?

                      [–]babydoll66045 4 points5 points  (6 children)

                      They would call it abuse, because it is. Not only legally (in the US anyway) but also morally.

                      Don't like your wife? Fine, divorce her. You don't trick her into leaving a country where she has equal rights so that you can take her to a country where she doesn't. Then, leave her and your kid for weeks at a time. Food or no food. That is kidnapping and isolating your victim. Emotional and mental abuse. Terrorist groups do that.

                      BULLSHIT that modern women want to avoid responsibilities. I'm a stay at home mom, I do the cooking and cleaning, and majority of taking care of the kids. Some days shit doesn't get done. Hell, sometimes it's DAYS before something can get caught up. But if my husband came home and said 1/10th of the shit I see in this thread, I'd leave his ass so fast his head would spin. And you know what? It doesn't kill him to either wait it out or help out when that happens. Anymore than it kills me to work when we needed the money, or change the oil in my car, or any number of "male" things I do when he needs to have his slack picked up.

                      For 6 fucking months he's been in recovery for 2 separate surgeries. I've done anything and everything that has needed to be done. He did the same for me a couple years ago when I had health issues. That's how a marriage works. You don't just decide that because your spouse is slacking (in your view) on something to dump them off and leave them for weeks.

                      No loving partner treats their spouse like that. None.

                      [–]1iluminatiNYC -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      The immigrant dynamic strikes again. I am a descendent of it, and I've seen it happen so often that you can pretty much set your watch to it. Well done by Julio though.

                      [–]Long_dan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      As they say in Germany: "Vell Lah Dee Dah". We forgot the part where all the other alpha dudes gave him high fives and everybody started an impromptu break dance party after the family learned their lesson about being Mexicans.

                      [–]Moneyley -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      Being 1st generation Mexican American, I appreciate the story, and cheered on Julio for his assertiveness. Unfortunately, as one of my fellow TRP'ers wrote, "she can just do it again once she is here". Comes down to one of the most basic TRP rules, DONT GET MARRIED.

                      Its obvious what her feelings are and all this did was kick the can down the road. He'll really need to take some fine legal advice to maneuver through her fits in the future so as they dont get his stuff for free. Mexican women are not what they used to be, they tend to be more Americanized (from my dating experience) they expect you to do things for them.

                      [–]cdogg75 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

                      When I read things like this, it first makes me smile, but then think that she is going to pull this same shit again when she has more leverage...and clean him out. Women forget NOTHING. She will always remember what he did, and will wait patiently until she can seek revenge.

                      [–]donit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                      Yes, women forget nothing, but she doesn't hate what he did. Asserting his masculinity is not a crime, it's what makes him attractive. She would only hate him if he continued acting like a wuss.

                      [–]indarkcamo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      he dragged it out long enough for them to see the benifits of playing by the rules and willfully and voluntarily submitting. The wife could do some spiteful shit in return but it is highly unlikely.

                      [–]Forty_Deuce -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      While he didn't follow his own advice, I was reminded of what Eddie Murphy said in Raw about getting a bush bitch.

                      http://youtu.be/GIwpypavI4o