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[–]ProfessorRedPill 305 points306 points  (51 children)

This was not a "hamster" as some of you have mentioned. And she doesn't despise her orbiters.

She took time to answer because she was looking for the most socially acceptable answer before she replied verbally. Her hesitation (and ridiculous horse sound) was actually a small bit of powertalk in addition to being a stalling tactic.

Once she gathered herself, she gave the most socially acceptable answer. It was the answer that kept women happy, while giving orbiters hope. It was the answer that kept men happy - with so many being orbiters, once again, giving orbiters hope. She also wanted to keep her own current and future orbiters.

I'm convinced she's smart enough to know exactly what she was doing. She knew telling the truth was a social pitfall in several ways.

[–]1knitro 125 points126 points  (35 children)

Yeah the OP is suffering from some real "truth hurts" angst.

All she's saying is if you hang around long enough, you could be the beta bucks at the end of the rainbow. TRP basically says this is also true.

[–]ProfessorRedPill 53 points54 points  (11 children)

Yeah the OP is suffering from some real "truth hurts" angst.

I think it's more of a tendency here to call everything "hamster."

I usually think of "hamster" as where people manipulate themselves. They rationalize actions after the fact. She was being manipulative, but I don't believe she was fooling herself... She intended to fool others. That's what the horse sound was. It pretty much said "I can't believe you're asking me that. Here comes a bunch of shit I don't believe, but some people will. Some of you will know this is bullshit, but I have to answer."

[–]imadeapoopie 8 points9 points  (10 children)

I wasn't aware that hamster was subject to such interpretation. Hamstering is a logical circle jerk, nothing more and nothing less.

"The rationalization hamster is an analogy for the thought processes used by women to turn bad behavior and bad decisions into acceptable ones to herself and her friends. When a woman makes a bad decision, the hamster spins in its wheel (the woman’s thinking) and creates some type of acceptable reasons for that bad decision. The crazier the decision, the faster the hamster must spin in order to successfully rationalize away the insanity"

[–]Fsoprokon 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Everybody "hamsters". You make up your mind, subconsciously, then make up reasons why.

You don't even make up your mind, really. You run off programming. Illusion of choice.

[–]tracer123 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Yes but you can reprogrammed yourself (as a man anyway) with enough work. That's why confidence comes from internalising your belief system, in contrast to pua who spout off surface level bs but are still neckbeards within.

[–]Fsoprokon 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Definitely. Takes a lot of work. There are things deep in your unconscious that will take years to even get a glimpse of. An amalgamation of your family life and life experiences as a child.

[–]tracer123 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Over about two years I've changed from beta faggot to confident to call myself alpha. Its one of the most rewarding journeys you can take.

[–]cheetah_swirley 0 points1 point  (0 children)

women can as well, just less frequently inclined to. our brains have different architecture but work on the same principles

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you have a huge array of tools to overcome that and you are expected to.

[–]ProfessorRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Try this for a quote... it's simpler and easier - "They rationalize actions after the fact."

[–]insickness 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Beta bucks is different. It's not typically an orbiter. An orbiter rarely gets out of friend zone. 99% of the time an orbiter could hang around until kingdom come but the girl will still see him as a friend. Beta bux is typically a new guy. She lowers her standards year after year. As fewer and fewer men cast eyes at her, her standards get lower and lower. She swings from Alpha to lower Alpha to greater Beta, etc.

An orbiter won't make the move. He's been friends with her too long and is completely paralyzed by her. He's too afraid to "lose what he has." Which is nothing. But he doesn't want to ruin it. And she certainly won't make the move on him after all those years. No, if you're an orbiter, there is no hope without drastically nexting this girl and coming back later, which most guys won't do.

[–]1knitro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not all BB's are orbiters, but all orbiters (within reason) are BBs.

[–]hohamocha 10 points11 points  (20 children)

but who the fuck wants to be a beta bux of a woman when she has already given her ass to alphas who didn't do anything for her in return?

[–]itchymuller 36 points37 points  (0 children)

People who are not on TRP and haven't realized this. A lot of people. Most people. You're preaching to the choir here, mate.

[–]neuromantic 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Well, this is the very thing we are trying to explain to blue pill guys.

[–]1knitro 15 points16 points  (3 children)

the sort of people that take 'boyfriend/marriage material' as a compliment.

[–]HockeySwag 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You can be marriage material without being a bitch. It isn't black and white.

[–]1knitro 7 points8 points  (0 children)

no disagreement - I'm talking about what girls mean subconsciously when they say it though.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I take it as a compliment because I know I'm the fucking shit.

[–]Algermas 2 points3 points  (1 child)

A fuckton of men buy into the nonsense about how really those bigdick Alpha males are sort of victimizing these poor little Princesses and so when she finally realizes how great the beta orbiter is can't get Chad Thundercock to lay waste to her anus anymore the beta is all too happy to save her from these evil victimizers.

[–]hohamocha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or when she can't get Chad Thundercock to provide for her. Thats when she turns a beta orbiter into a beta bux

[–]isthatyourdaughter 4 points5 points  (11 children)

Lets be real here- it's Megan Fox. A woman who looks like her has genuine Girl Game. She can, and likely will, do very well in the long run.

[–]hohamocha 6 points7 points  (7 children)

girl game is looking sexy. Thats it

[–]ilphae 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Are you mad? How many sexy woman have you decided were a disaster as soon as they opened their mouths? You will ask yourself how you ever considered her sexy, because she has completely ruined any physical attraction with her shitty girl game.

An average looking woman that knows how to flirt, walk, talk, apply her talents, and turn you on with game will be so damn attractive. I think there is at least a 2 or 3 point swing based on girl game.

Of course sex appeal and strong game are often found together. (Just like handsome guys usually, but not always, have good guy game.)

[–]widec 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Girl game is legit, it's just much easier to run than the typical male game. The sad thing is, many attractive girls don't see the need to build their game because they already get the attention they want. I wouldn't be on this forum taking notes if I wasn't drowning in pussy myself.

[–]tracer123 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I suggest that many girls don't need to play good girl game until you are a super alpha. If you're a fucking oil baron you can be sure that you see all legit girl game everywhere.

[–]ilphae 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You make a great point. I think we can all picture a time where a woman was transformed when a certain man she desires enters the room.

I would never pull out my A-game tools against an extremely low-status fugly chick, even just for practice or fun. She would misinterpret my cues and it would just make things uncomfortable. It also ends with stage-5 clingers!

[–]Saturnalia93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Girl game is like playing against your local rec basketball team as the Miami Heat, as far as difficulty is concerned.

[–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An average looking woman that knows how to flirt, walk, talk, apply her talents, and turn you on with game will be so damn attractive. I think there is at least a 2 or 3 point swing based on girl game.

Most guys would rather fuck a 10 with a horrible personality than a 6 with a stellar personality. Personality/ game doesn't make my dick hard.

How many sexy woman have you decided were a disaster as soon as they opened their mouths?

Plenty, but I still fucked them and kept them as regular hook ups, just not for LTR relationships

[–]_wolfgang_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To me, girl game is just feminine behaviour. As our society is heading towards androgyny with each day this is becoming harder to find considering that girls will get attention regardless of how they behave.

[–]Dark_Shroud 0 points1 point  (1 child)

She almost killed her acting career by pissing off both Michael Bay & Steven Speilburg.

She was lucky that Armani gave her modeling jobs when she was on her "time out." I have to say she did look good in their over priced lingerie.

She learned her lesson from that over all experience and married a guy with money whom she's had kids with.

She isn't as dumb as she seems. I think she'll be around a long time as well.

[–]cheetah_swirley 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah she power talks pretty well too

[–]tindermaster1986 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She seems like a dumb broad to date.

[–]GetTheLudes420 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Giving orbiters hope is the modus operandi of the women, especially those with a mere average SMV.

That glimmer of hope and ambiguous body language and actions is what keeps them from ejecting from orbit.

[–]lord-denning 11 points12 points  (3 children)

This is precisely correct. Women are much more highly attuned to what is socially acceptable to say - it is not socially acceptable to say anything that would upset the apple cart and stop women from being able to pursue their af/bb strategy unfettered.

This reminds me a little bit of Sheryl Sanberg's (Facebook CEO) exhortation to women to ride the carousel as much as possible. In her quote she acknowledges that carousel riding is going to be a complete waste of time in any event, but it would not be socially acceptable to suggest this waste be avoided or that female strategy be fettered in any way.

Here is the quote: "When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.” ― Sheryl Sandberg, Lean In: Women, Work, and the Will to Lead

[–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Lying to sell your book, even if it succeeds, is still lying. The more it succeeds, the more it amounts to selling your soul.

This is my version of the red pill. If I feel something is wrong, I am not swayed by how common it is or what the cool people do.

But gaming girls is not wrong. It's the biological imperative.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She's a top tier executive so she no doubt sold her soul long ago.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, the second I saw the Red Pill I unplugged.

As a foreigner I KNEW since day one that something was deeply fucking twisted with the women in this country. I'm going back to Ukraine/Russia to get my bitch.

[–]ShagggyDog 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I agree it's not the hamster, but she really doesn't need to be that smart to come up with this answer. This is the DEFAULT answer any girl would give. They need to take effort to be honest and tell the truth (and they don't). This kind of bs is their default mode. That's how they have gathered all those orbiters afterall.

[–]HobKing 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And Arnett really had the exact same response. OP is being biased. His expression and tone of voice said "Yeesh, you kinda don't," just like hers, but he said "Never give up" just like her, too. OP is seeing things.

[–]FemtoG 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You can see the personal beta orbiters in her life flashing through her memory, and her creating the best answer to give them hope.

[–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Giving orbiters hope, rather than telling them truth that they are being played, or even (if she knows) how they could generate tingles ... that's functionally despising them as far as I am concerned.

I tend to speak the truth in my life, all the time, as much as I can. Sometimes I choose to shade things a bit, but talking is meant to be beneficial to the listener usually. Misleading the listener, to "give them hope", is an asinine thing to do.

And just because she is female and hot, and it's socially acceptable, doesn't make it morally any better. Even though it's very common.

[–]1cover20 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

and this got downvoted!?

[–]Cross_of_Coronado 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She really does not have to be THAT smart to give the right answer to this one.

[–]Dark_Shroud 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, she almost destroyed her career once before from opening her mouth.

She's not going to hurt herself again now that she's starting to rebound and actually needs work after having a second kid with her husband.

[–]cheetah_swirley 0 points1 point  (0 children)

people need to read less of the rabid mysogynistic nonsense that sometimes pollutes this sub and read more of TRP reading list that more directly addresses social dynamics.

48 laws of power, the games people play, no more mister nice guy

all essential reading material. watching game of thrones isnt a bad idea too but only if you go into it with TRP mentality of trying to understand all the subtelties in the powerplay

[–][deleted] 133 points134 points  (26 children)

Lesson: never ask a woman for advice on how to be anything other than a beta orbiter.

[–]hohamocha 36 points37 points  (24 children)

there's women on this post downvoting perfectly good TRP advice.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (22 children)

Women don't want you to be alpha unless you're their alpha.

Edit: because I am bad at grammar.

[–]hohamocha 39 points40 points  (17 children)

They detest betas trying to be alpha or working towards being alpha (which is why so many bitches hate /r/TheRedPill). They want the guy that's naturally alpha.

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 61 points62 points  (1 child)

This is the genesis of the advice women give to men to "just be yourself". They want men "being themselves" so they can easily screen out the beta chumps, and not get duped by a lesser alpha or beta gaming his way into her pants.

[–]brotherjustincrowe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Just Be Yourself" is woman-speak for "stop talking, you're here to listen to MY problems". They may be hamsters, but they're not stupid enough to not know that's a throwaway cliche that's literally never helped anyone ever. AWALT.

It's masquerading as advice, but it's actually a dismissal, not only of your value but your basic humanity. Treat it the way you would "Cool story bro."

[–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 9 points10 points  (13 children)

Which is retarded, as part of redpill teachings, is to better yourself in your career, better yourself physically and be more attractive, and just be better in general.

One would think that they'd want more of an opportunity to actually get an Alpha for themselves, but noooo, women aren't rational or logical creatures. Expecting them to be such is like expecting a rock to suddenly fly. Not only is it unfair and disingenuous to them, but it's also unfair to yourself as you will never get what you desire, as it's impossible.

[–]hohamocha 9 points10 points  (9 children)

One would think that they'd want more of an opportunity to actually get an Alpha for themselves, but noooo, women aren't rational or logical creatures.

Actually women just want the best genetics. Acting alpha is an inherent part of a natural alpha's nature. And a natural alpha's soon will in all likelihood be naturally alpha as well. A natural alpha is better than a non-natural alpha because he gets tons of chances to spread his genes from the getgo.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (4 children)

The way a person acts in this regard is more a matter of nurture than nature. I base this opinion off the observation throughout my school years that every single dude who acted alpha had either:

  • Grown up involved in sports


  • Grown up in a trailer park/ghetto

In other words, they were embedded in environments that rewarded them for being aggressive. Boys who don't get that have almost no hope of growing into an alpha mindset naturally no matter how awesome their genes are. Without a rough upbringing or the competitiveness of sports, a boy of today only gets the "masculine behaviors are bad and will get you punished" public school conditioning that damns him to a life of betadom.

[–]HahahahaWaitWhat 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Hide this post before they ban sports.

[–]Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They've been getting rid of PE in schools for some time now.

Which is funny because it's caused a dilemma for military recruitment where now more than ever fresh recruits are barely able or unable to meet physical standards.

That is, until they get around to lowering those standards.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right, wouldn't want to make all those fat ass girls feel bad for not being able to run 5 meters.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I noticed that the ghetto kids dominate the shit out of the public education system. Fuckers have nothing to lose and no parents to hold them back by teaching them decency.

[–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Right. I forgot to factor in genetics to the equation. I suppose that men whose genetics are naturally superior, with better mental health/chemistry and shit will definitely, more naturally, be Alpha.

[–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As well as better physical genetics

[–]beginner_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

By that logic there shouldn't be any beta male left due to evolution. Even though I usually say genes matter most, this is a case were nurture is IMHO more important.

[–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually the top of the alpha males become alpha, while the remaining males become beta, even though they had alpha fathers. Women only get horny for the best

[–]brotherjustincrowe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not JBY, that's "be the best you can be by focusing on what you truly want and working to accomplish your goals, but take some time for introspection to make sure you're doing it for you." That's what they'd say if they meant it.

[–]RedPillProphet -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

as part of redpill teachings, is to better yourself in your career, better yourself physically and be more attractive, and just be better in general.

Except Redpill does not do any of that. It simply states their importance and how the SMP works. Having that information verbally exposed threatens women and that is why they hate TRP.

[–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Redpill doesn't do anything at all though, so of course it's only going to say how important being financially well off, physically fit, and confident in yourself and your own interests is. I'm saying that the more people that follow that, the more men that will at least act alpha, so the more chance the whores have of getting an Alpha.

But the other guy mentioned genetics, which I forgot about. I was just thinking about them wanting a good provider and high social standing.

[–]markasstrick123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In this day, natural alpha's make up maybe .04% of the population lol

[–]ilphae 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This lesson took years for me to understand. I always imagined a woman would mirror my positive energy. We could help each other to improve. This personality trait is very rare and should be cherished if found in a woman.

If they worry you are outpacing them, or that you are becoming high-status without focusing enough attention on them, most women will snipe and find ways to undermine you.

[–]humankin 3 points4 points  (2 children)

How'd you misspell "you're" and "their" in quick succession?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fast fingers before a meeting. Thanks for letting me know.

[–]In_Liberty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because people have horrible communication skills.

[–]Fzed600 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well how else do the female subreddits get their content? By nagging at male topics.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That should be a thread all it's own.

[–]1cover20 21 points22 points  (1 child)

You're in the friendzone because you don't attract her. But vaginas don't have memories. If you become someone she is attracted to, she will feel the tingles.

Then it can be interesting how she relates to this cognitive dissonance. I remember one girl I did this with, after I learned some attraction technique, and I could see she was moving her legs around as she was having trouble with the tingles. In her case she was cool with it and just said "you know, you've changed." I could have gone for more then, but I already had a girlfriend.

Sometimes I hear of girls who get angry or confused, and they say what women usually say when they're confused, at least to others. "He's a creep." They were unable to deal with the cognitive dissonance. But with more contact they'll have to come around. Tingles win in the end.

So Megan Fox and Will Arnett are (not surprisingly for showbiz shills) both completely wrong. You don't wait and wait and hope when she's old she picks you as her soulmate. And you don't keep trying. You either change yourself, or you do something else. Recommended: learn game, change yourself.

[–]cheetah_swirley 0 points1 point  (0 children)

megan fox isnt wrong. you think she beleived what she said?

she gave the correct answer to that question as a public figure. good powertalker, intelligent clearly

[–]flexiblehold 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Fox's answer is the equivalent of...

Female junket journalist: "What is your advice, George Clooney, for a woman in her 30s who's been dating someone for a couple years and doesn't quite know the status of their relationship? Her biological clock is ticking, she's put other plans on hold, and wants to start a family; he doesn't quite seem ready to commit, but she isn't sure why because he won't say."

Clooney: "Pppppp. Hmmmm. Whinneeeee. Neighhhhhh. I would just tell her to hang in there, let the guy do his thing, he might be into settling down at some point."

[–]ShagggyDog 13 points14 points  (2 children)

"let her cycle through..." (while you are just there living like a vegetable!)

[–]ilphae 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I can't imagine hearing those words from a woman in real life. I would laugh in her face. She can get away with it because of her celebrity, but wow. It is so rude.

I often meet these types of men in the bar scene. There is a decent looking woman with a hanger-on. He will hover around her while she flirts with other guys, getting their numbers, drinking, touching, and going home with them. Yet, there he is night after night.

I can't look these men in the eye as equals. They are more like dogs to me. I respect the bathroom attendants more.

[–]after27tries 23 points24 points  (0 children)

You say that as if bathroom attendants deserve less respect by default.

[–]deepsouthscoundrel 53 points54 points  (6 children)

This is a perfect example of why men shouldn't take dating advice from women - women can only give you their experience of dating. In the example of Megan Fox, a 10 who would never need to actually initiate any sort of dating situation, she can only advise is just waiting around for things to happen to you. And here's the thing, this might actually work for the guys in her social circle (just picture the types of guys Megan Fox would hang around and date) but this advice does nothing for the vast majority of single men.

What Megan Fox and a lot of other women don't have is the capacity to transcend their solipsistic natures and try to view things from the male perspective. The rest of us can't sit around and wait for love to happen because we're the ones who have to make it happen. We make it happen by being the most attractive man available to that woman, by being clear with our intentions, and, if rejected, making ourselves scarce.

[–]hohamocha 14 points15 points  (1 child)

And here's the thing, this might actually work for the guys in her social circle

It still doesn't work for them because famous men needed to have worked for the fame that makes them attractive to women, so their advice would not be waiting around for things to happen. It would be to get famous. Megan Fox would still have guys lining up for her even if she wasn't famous. Good looking guys still need game to become "players", good looking women don't.

[–]deepsouthscoundrel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is very true. Good catch.

[–]Esco9 -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Can you go on about making yourself scarce? Thanks

[–]deepsouthscoundrel 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Of course. Simply put, there's no reason to stay in a one-sided relationship. That's all the "friendzone" is: a one-sided relationship. If a woman is trying to keep you in a one-sided relationship (after you've made your intentions clear) the best thing to do is to end the relationship.

[–]Esco9 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I understand that, thought you meant something else about making yourself scarce, like hard to get ahold of or something idk. Thanks, idk why I got down voted, sometimes this sub man

[–]deepsouthscoundrel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, there's no reason to make it more complicated than simply walking away and breaking contact.

You have to understand that once you're in the "friendzone" you've already fucked up. You fucked up by not making your intentions clear enough either through speech or body language. Once she sees you as a "friend" there's very little hope to get her to change her mind.

The "friendzone" is not a postponement of rejection, because it is a rejection.

[–]redpilldude 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Do women really expect a Nice Guy to wait 10 years for them to get off the carousel? This is funny and ridiculous.

[–]Agharta15 27 points28 points  (3 children)

It's not ridiculous because it works.

I have a male friend who has expressed excitement about women our age (late 20s, early 30s) getting older and looking for more stable guys. He actively avoids working out because 'that's something douchebags do.' He enjoys wining and dining women he knows are getting banged in bar bathrooms.

Guys, especially those who are willfully ignorant about the SMP, are complicit in this strategy.

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    [–]a2abfcd4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That's obviously a coping mechanism. He doesn't workout because he feels that he doesn't deserve it. He feels like a failure so he rationalizes it. He hamsters it. I know because I used to be like him. Glad I took the Red Pill.

    [–]DRMMR76 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Yes. Yes they do. In woman's eyes, men are either potential genetic donors, or resources. That's it. If you're not AF, you are BB by default. And resources are expected to always be there, ripe for the plucking when the time comes.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yes? Can you believe it? One girl told me that I should wait for her to finish college, then we can start dating.

    [–]Modern__Day__Pricus 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    "How to get out of the Friend zone? Why on earth would I REALLY tell you how to do that???? Its not about games and skills okay. Its about a FEELING. There is no rules on how to get out the friendzone. It just wasn't your time. Maybe, God has other plans for you that you just don't know. Stop asking WHY. Let God handle it.

    Its not about trying to make up some grand scheme. These things just, happen I guess. Yeah, they just happen okay. Its not about being a manipulative asshole. The guys in my life now are there because it just FELT right. It was just their time. They didn't do any GAME playing. There is no game okay. Its about a connection and just living in the moment. Just be you and you will win in the end. There is no secret to it. Things just happen. Yah. Hehe"

    Yes fellas. You heard it loud and clear. You see, you are not suppose to be on a sight like this or, Rational Male, Chat Heartise, Return of Kings, etc. You, you "certain" men are not suppose to understand these "secret" concepts into the world of us women. YOU MEN, are suppose to shut the fuck up and WAIT your turn until it is time to be REWARDED are "fresh" (Coughs) magical pussy pass that you are just DYING to enter.

    This ride isn't meant for you now. EVERY man can't learn what is REALLY going on. What would happen then? How will WE be able to survive and have someone to take care of our kids in the end? Don't you want to be around another man's kid, even though more than likely:

    "SHUT UP DREW. You are not my REAL dad. Fuck off"

    Will come out of his mouth. Yes, he will not respect as much as he would his REAL dad but, still.You will have me all to yourself with my many, MANY years of baggage. Not bad right?...... Right? Right?

    Just place your head in the sand and wiat your turn okay gosh. Everybody can't win. Someone has to pay the tickets and WATCH the show.


    [–]ilphae 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Some women don't understand it, and if they did, it wouldn't feel special for them. They don't want to understand it. They love the feeling that is being created for them by a skilled player. It feels magical.

    Does one speak with the audience when learning to become a magician, or a singer, or an actor? No, one should study with the artist and learn to mimic them.

    [–]mydarkmeatrises 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I can think of two girls specifically that I was deep in the friend zone with. Wanna know how I escaped? I stopped being their friends altogether. Once they saw that I didn't care much for being around them and I had other priorities (read:women) I started getting the attention from them I desired.

    As someone said, the vagina has no memories. I would have sworn that these women would never disrobe for me but lo and behold after a night on separate occasions of being with them, drinking but not orbiting, it happened. Now this may be because we were now in our late 20's as opposed to our early 20's, but one thing I know for sure. The moment I started ignoring them is the moment they came around.

    [–]GhostOfAladdin 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    She serves the blue pill crowd. It is the largest demographic of hollywood.

    [–]watersign 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    How to leave the friendzone? JUST WHIP OUT YOUR DICK!

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      [–]HAMMURABl 17 points18 points  (5 children)

      haha i was waiting for a hamster response, and i got one.

      "let her cycle through the bad boys, and eventually she will REALIZE (:DDDDDDDDDDD) you are her soulmate"

      [–]beyondpurple[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

      eventually she will REALIZE (:DDDDDDDDDDD) you are her soulmate

      Yep. AKA boning dudes out of her league who would never commit, and then settling for you as her looks fade out.

      [–]hohamocha 10 points11 points  (1 child)

      is she still your soulmate if she fucks an alpha behind your back, gets pregnant with his baby, and cuckolds you into unknowingly raising said alpha's kid?

      [–]Saturnalia93 5 points6 points  (0 children)


      It's a shame how many young boys are inculcated with such nonsense.

      [–]ShagggyDog 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      MAYBE! MAYBE her soulmate.. haha

      So yea. Put this life on pending for her. You might have better chances in your next life as a caterpillar. I laughed to death...

      [–]guymanthing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      In the friendzone?

      Simply find other girls that are willing and able to get your dick wet whilst keeping this chick in the back of your mind. If she comes to the realization that she wants you before her looks and age fade out, get some in. If not, at least you didn't waste your PRECIOUS, VALUABLE, (cannot stress this enough), time on her.

      If things don't go over well initially there's no point sticking around and not initiating relations with others on the sole basis that you want her.

      [–]2asd1100 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      she is 28, so of course she needs to keeps a rich orbiters spinning, she is close and she feels it hard on her "career", Bay is the only one that gives a fuck anymore.

      [–]icallmyselfmonster 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Megan Fox has a weird thumb, would not date.

      [–]rudieboy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I think once you get to a certain age, you will refuse to suffer bullshit. So you will automatically leave a relationship if you want to be more than friends.

      [–]cooltrip 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Megan Fox speaks clearly and explicitly.

      According to feminists, to blue pillers, to white knights and to betas, Megan Fox and the rest of feminists can speak clearly and explicitly if they want, and they're great for doing so.

      But if we speak clearly and explicitly on r/theredpill, we get criticized and blacklisted.

      The only equality they know and defend is the one that benefits them.

      [–]brotherjustincrowe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Some hamsters are more equal than others.

      [–]dicklord_airplane 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      well, she couldn't tell the truth because then her orbiters and all orbiters everywhere might wise up and stop orbiting, and that's bad for hot girls everywhere. she's just doing what's best for her career, her personal life, and for Team Woman at large, and I can't blame her.

      [–]1cover20 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      Not "Team Woman". There is no Team Woman. Women do not stick together. They are more like a flash mob. They tend to do the same because AWALT i.e. they have the same motivations, so act similarly in given conditions.

      Most definitely no team woman. Did you ever see women try to form a team? Did you ever listen in on girl conversations? Even best friends are just a bit less likely to throw each other under the bus.

      [–]RogerHaymaker 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      MF seems really interesting to me. Seemed she wanted to give a much different answer than the one she gave. I wonder what it was.

      [–]1DowntownSacramento -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

      Purple is just a blue that's kinda yella...

      [–]RogerHaymaker 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I don't understand what you mean.

      [–]defybravydefy 4 points5 points  (7 children)

      She's honest. I used to hate her, but she's more real now because she's hot and she can be. I've noticed this from a lot of hot girls. They're how they really are because they can be.

      [–]1cover20 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

      How is it honest to encourage a poor guy to wait while she fucks other guys, meanwhile she has no respect for you?

      [–]Soultrane9 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      How is it not honest? She just revealed every women's sexual strategy. This subreddit gets hate for doing the same.

      [–]bigusdiccus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      seriously, either read up on redpill or get off it

      [–]Fzed600 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      He looks took a nose dive after the plastic surgery.

      [–]defybravydefy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I'd still fuck him though even though he does look like a man.

      [–]skills_are_everythng 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      She looks down and to the left twice as her hamster is spinning, which indicates that sheis trying to convince herself of something.

      [–]armenia4ever 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      She is a bitch, but at least she will state the obvious.

      Hopefully any of those orbiters in her friendzone who are finally deemed worthy as a last resort realize they are about to be used and abused by the bitchiness that defines Megan Fox.

      It's amazing the kind of crap she can get away with because she's "hot". There is some bullshit no self-respecting man with even a sliver of divinity should pit up with.

      [–]NormSonOfAGunderson 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Yes Megan Fox, guys should wait years and years while your vagina gets pummeled by a slew of douche bag wiener... Let me write that down so I don't forget...

      [–]Killigraphy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      So once she's done with the cock carousel, she'll dive right into the friendzone pool...

      1. Never take advice on how to get with women, from women. Its like asking a salmon how to catch're only fucking yourself in the long run (pun intended)

      2. Ignore her, treat her like shit, keep on moving. She isn't the Sun and you're not on an orbit around her, be a comet, pummeling through all sorts, crushing every pussy you come across.

      In all seriousness, you want out of the friendzone? stop pandering, you aren't her white knight, and shes no Juliet, treat her like she treats you, ignore and fuck other slimmies.

      [–]Christian_Kong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Why would you ask for this/expect good advice from someone who has not experienced being in the friendzone?

      Got any advice on how I should handle my stock portfolio Megan?

      [–]Position5hero -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      Let her CYCLE though CYCLE Through CYCLE

      Almost like a hamster cycling in a little spinning wheel, eh?

      Have to wonder if they're doing it on purpose at this point that's gold lol

      [–]FallenHighSchoolJock -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      The orbiters are there to protect her though. Handsome man approaches a woman = sex. Average guy? :