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[–]2alisonstone 120 points121 points  (11 children)

80% of women who get gastric bypass surgery to lose weight end up leaving their husbands. It's bad enough that some doctors make the patient sign a waiver acknowledging that it is a risk of the surgery. If you fucked her when she was fat, then she will hate you for being a fatty fucker when she turns skinny. It's like that Dave Chappelle skit about the blind black man that was in the KKK, when he discovered that he was black, he divorced his wife for "being a nigger lover".

[–]grewapair 22 points23 points  (1 child)

A better example is the boob job. It's the last thing you'll pay for as a couple before you get served with the divorce papers.

[–]neveragoodtime 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Can confirm. Wife insisted on a boob job, and 6 months later insisted on a divorce. Medical bills were shared in the divorce, so I'm still paying off those boobs a year later.

[–]NastiN8 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is exactly my mom. She never lost all that baby fat that came with birthing my brother. She found my former step-dad who accepted her as a chubster & worshipped the ground she walked on. He even supported her plan to get the gastric by-pass. She lost a ton of weight, going from 220 lbs down to about 115. 8 or so months after surgery she files for divorce. Tired of this boring hick truck driver, she can do better now. So the story goes.

[–]awinnarisyou 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Is that a real statistic? It sounds absurdly high.

and I thought most people that get gastric bypass don't even lose weight in the long term

[–]antidoxdevice 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"If a patient in a long-term marriage was a normal weight when the marriage began,” Pilcher says, “that marriage is probably in pretty good shape to withstand the changes following surgery. If the patient was heavy at the time the marriage or the relationship began, however, there’s an 80% to 85% chance that that relationship is going to break up within two years of surgery.

[–]2alisonstone 13 points14 points  (2 children)

It was posted on TRP a while back, cross posted from some other subreddit that is less biased (I think from r/TIL). It does sound high, but that is what the article that it linked to said. Keep in mind that divorce rates are something like 50%, and extremely obese women tend to come from the classes that have higher divorce rates. So the norm might be 60% for them already.

Gastric bypass is the one surgery that does work for long term weight loss. It reduces the size of the stomach so the person physically cannot eat too much food. Stuff like liposuction isn't a good solution for obesity because the person typically keep their old habits and continues consuming excess calories, so the fat eventually comes back.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd be surprised if it was from TIL. They censor things that cast women in any but flattering light.

[–]pi-py-pie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've known 4-5 people that gastric bypass and all of them lost more than 100lbs and have kept it off so far (5+ years).

[–]1thrownaway_MGTOW 2 points3 points  (0 children)

80% of women who get gastric bypass surgery to lose weight end up leaving their husbands

And 5 to 10 years later most of them end up as obese (or super obese) all over again -- so in the mean time if they do manage to "hook a fish" he generally has a coin-toss probability of ending up with a whale.

[–]vicious_armbar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy shit! I didn't believe it was that bad until someone posted a link with actual proof!

[–]mclorie 249 points250 points  (43 children)

Red Pill knowledge out of context always hits the front page.

Bitches who cheat and get caught, rich men telling a young gold digger that her looks will fade so her value will decrease.

Everyone upvotes seeing that the post is completely reasonable, righteous and sensible. But god forbid any of us virginal, women-hating losers say it.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 48 points49 points  (3 children)

Red Pill knowledge out of context always hits the front page.

Woman cheats, it is ok, she deserves/can do better. Man cheats because his wife is a pig, he should be more tolerant, ubderstanding etc.

[–]topspeedj 29 points30 points  (2 children)

And therapy. Therapy solves all. /s

[–]16 Endorsed Contributornicethingyoucanthave 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'd have tons of karma if I set up my phone to autocorrect "next her" into "try couples therapy "

[–]TehFuggernaut 110 points111 points  (31 children)

As soon as you say something - they check your post history first. If you visit TRP - everything you say is invalid.

People are really, really fucking stupid sometimes.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that 100 points101 points  (12 children)

Excellent quote from MIB.

Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.

K: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. 

[–]abcd_z 23 points24 points  (10 children)

Actually, that whole scene is almost directly applicable to TRP. Continuing the dialogue:

K: Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet.
K: Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.
J: Is it worth it?
K: Oh yeah, it's worth it.
K: ...if you're strong enough!

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (9 children)

The only infuriating thing is that geocentrism outlived flat-earth by 1500 years, not the other way around. I blame shitty High School history classes for that.

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    [–]Endevour 1 point2 points  (10 children)

    I feel like it's time to make a new user, cause I've been using this one for absolutely everything. Afraid to get doxxed.

    [–]PM_ME_BOOTYSHOTS 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    You're TRP account should be a throwaway that you give no shits about.

    Think as you like but act as the others.

    [–]The_Turbinator 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    I used to write peoples life histories on Reddit based on their post history. It was fun, and everyone responded positively, but they were scared how accurate it was.

    Just remember, once it's out on the internet, its out forever.

    [–]Endevour 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    If you wanna give it another shot, there's my inbox. If you're accurate, I'll really have to delete my user.

    [–]DEVi4TION 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Heh I'm checking back to see if this is deleted later.

    [–]The_Turbinator 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Can't do it today, but I'll do it again this week for old times sake.

    [–]rockumsockumrobots 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    I've been "doxxed" before on another forum. I deleted most of myself from the internet. Now, if you searched for me, you'll find some totally unrelated guy in middle USA.

    [–]TheThingsIThink 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    That is exactly what I would say if I were some guy in the middle of the USA.

    [–]rockumsockumrobots 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    ssshh...they'll never know..

    [–]no_game_player 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Perhaps, but there's sure plenty of pseudonymity.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    That happened to me the other day when I was talking about economics...

    [–]1too_long_didnt_read 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Haha! I get this all the time too.

    If I disagree with someone they just point out I post here and then my comment attracts downvotes like fat kids to an open day at a willy wonka factory.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    It's pretty funny. Instead of looking at the content of the comment, they look at your post history like that voids the discussion.

    Basically saying they have nothing to say back, but I'm a TRPer so I'm wrong.

    Oh. You got me.

    [–]Iupvoteforknowledge 7 points8 points  (5 children)

    If the answers are the same, what exactly are they hamstering in their heads to cause them to so vehemently hate us? I mean shit, I've gotten threats before in PMs.

    [–]PM_ME_BOOTYSHOTS 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    A person noting a single event is normal.

    A person seeing the pattern, learning to predict it, act on it, and profit from it is unacceptable and threatens their power.

    That person pointing out the pattern to others, and training them to see and act as they do? That is dangerous on a level they cannot tolerate.

    Remember they want NATURAL alphas. We are trained. We work for it. That is inherently unattractive because they can see the work here on reddit and scary because they know they won't be able to tell the difference in the meatspace.

    [–]ThePedanticCynic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    It's almost like women want complete control of the lies in an encounter. They wear makeup, dress to flatter, get implants, adjust their eyebrows, dye their hair... and we're the bastards for working out and learning a bit of psychology.

    [–]2 Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    The very question you ask implies that those people are rational. Divorce yourself from that notion posthaste.

    [–]Iupvoteforknowledge 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Oh I know better. I liken it to arguing with creationists. Suspension of logic.

    [–]qiang_shi 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Feminism is the new creationism.

    [–]krakosia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The old classic Craigslist post of the gold digger from NYC who wanted to find a finance guy who was in the 300,000$ range but couldn't and the reply from a finance guy breaking down how her value diminishes over time and his increases is classic Trp but if it is labelled as such it will be down voted to hell

    [–]poclitically_corekt 32 points33 points  (5 children)

    Happened to me. Ex-wife got a gastric bypass and dropped 150 lbs. in a year and some change. She began staying out in the bars and not being home when I woke up. I eventually found text evidence of my upgrade and had to hit the red button to blow up the beta fantasy I had tried so desperately to hold to. Ironies are sweet: hard lifting and TRP principles have me looking good and getting laid. She has gained back tremendous weight from the drinking as folks who get bariatric surgery are prone to "addiction swapping". Alas, there are no shortcuts but TRP knows this already. Thanks guys.

    [–]RP-on-AF1 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    Interesting way to learn the truth about your life partner. I always wonder if that would be a way to test a spouse-to-be. Fake some financial disaster. What if you were homeless. Would she stand by you?

    [–]foldpak111 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Oh my god what a great idea. I'm going to do this in every future relationship.

    [–]Gimprome 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I don't disclose my income or money I have with females. I don't want them to get the wrong idea.

    [–]Baylien2 53 points54 points  (24 children)

    As I suspected, women will only be loyal to men that they perceive as better looking or higher status than themselves. It's why asshole dudes who mentally shatter their girlfriends or wives and suppress their self esteem are able to keep them around.

    The choice is clear if you want to maintain yourself as a good man. Raise your SMV

    [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (7 children)

    The uncomfortable truth is in plain sight for those who are willing to look, and in time, it will become comfortable.

    [–]LAUGHINGNONCHALANTLY 16 points17 points  (5 children)

    I think part of the discomfort has to do with admitting that we're still just animals and that regardless of our ability to think rationally we're still driven by instincts/feelings we don't decide to have.

    And that regardless of how unique the life of a person has been they're still going to follow patterns in behavior as displayed by others in different circumstances and some of those are universal. No one is a special snowflake.

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      [–]FerrusMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yes one of the most important concepts for me to finally understand was that sexual attraction is not a choice. You can't decide to be attracted to somebody because they are doing nice things for you.

      [–]1wiseclockcounter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      this should be the red pill moto.

      [–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang 15 points16 points  (5 children)

      Way I see it, no woman whatsoever is loyal the way Western men expect/want it ("because LOVE, bro!"). Not even the best. Men expect she'll be loyal to him, his personality, his fate, his ego. She isn't, she's loyal only to her personality, her fate, her ego.

      For many modern women, her personality is shit, her fate is to be a cheating whore, and her ego is so fickle, she's toxic even to herself. The damage she does to the men in her life is merely collateral.

      [–]mister_barfly75 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      For many modern women, her personality is shit, her fate is to be a cheating whore, and her ego is so fickle, she's toxic even to herself. The damage she does to the men in her life is merely collateral.

      You just described my ex. It's frightening how some women are just a tornado of havoc but we don't see it until we've been caught in the eye of the storm and slung aside.

      [–]futriximrp 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      i think he described all of our ex's

      [–]mister_barfly75 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Surely not! NAWALT etc etc


      [–]Gimprome 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      You fucking shitlord check your privilege.

      [–]Ninja_Yewnicorn 6 points7 points  (6 children)

      This comment brings up a question in my mind that stems from confusion and a genuine desire to understand and respect men. I hope my question conveys this intention.

      If the gender roles were switched, does that then describe the type of woman TRP condones as wife material? In other words, arent the men in this sub advocating to other men to only be loyal to the women they perceive to be high status?

      Would you leave a woman who became lower status in your eyes, regardless of the reason, even say, after marriage?

      And since we're on the topic, what are some characteristics of a woman highly valued by TRP men and what would cause you to leave her?

      So much of what you teach men, not everything but most, brings about this carnal desire within me and I'm immediately turned on at the idea of having a partner who erred on the side of TRP.

      *some of the stuff I read isn't based in creating a loving partnership and that's what turns me off about it, but the advice given to men on how to attract women (for love and partnership) gets me at the carnal, sexual, submissive, mammalian level of my feminine being and I'm just like mm shit... that's the husband I want.

      [–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 27 points28 points  (2 children)

      Would you leave a woman who became lower status in your eyes, regardless of the reason, even say, after marriage?

      Men love unconditionally. As /u/SenorPuff said, we care about your looks and personality. Your status doesn't matter. Which means, if you lose your job (exp) we still gonna love you the way you are. Also don't get fat, you have to pass the boner test!

      Women love conditionally (hypergamy): Women loves us for WHAT we are. Confident, funny, good job/carrier, social status, etc. BUT i can lose all these. If i lose my well paying job, and not able to get a new one, i can fall into depression. I will lose my confidence, i'm gonna be sad (not a funny anymore), a wimpy guy with no job, my friends can turn they back on me. A man can lose all his attractive traits very easily.

      ...and what will a women say after all these? "There is no spark anymore..." Ofc, because i lost every reason why you loved me, and you don't care about WHO i am.

      [–]lolthr0w 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      we care about your looks and personality

      Anyone that cares about kids is going to want to marry an intelligent woman, no? IQ is partly heritable. Granted, intelligence isn't exactly IQ.

      [–]SenorPuff 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      If the gender roles were switched

      Men and women are different. You cannot directly swap them.

      arent the men in this sub advocating to other men to only be loyal to the women they perceive to be high status

      A woman of high status isn't really important to me. Physical attractiveness, womanliness, and maturity, in that order, determine how far I'm willing to go with a woman. Her social ranking by her peers is of no consequence. Any woman who thinks that her social status means I should consider her loses relationship points. I simply don't care if you're a lawyer or a CEO.. Are you attractive? Then I might consider sex with you. Are you tender and pleasant? Then I might consider a relationship with you. Are you mature? Then I might consider a family with you.

      Would you leave a woman who became lower status in your eyes, regardless of the reason, even say, after marriage?

      Men are much less likely to do this, because we honor our word. Even the most Machiavellian among us knows to at least appear to be honest. If you are married, you have an obligation to stay with that woman. I will add, however, that if she does absolutely nothing to maintain herself as a desirable mate, and you cannot lead her in that direction, then you may consider actions that will help you save face in how you end the marriage. Looks will fade, so if you've been married for 15 years, and she's no longer looking like a 22 year old, well, duh. But if she's not a good executive officer of your boat, you as the captain need to deal with it. You (should, goddammit) have a mission that is paramount.

      what are some characteristics of a woman highly valued by TRP men and what would cause you to leave her?

      I think I've covered that pretty well thus far. Physical attractiveness, womanliness, and maturity, and if she ever outright refused to continue to please me by maintaining as best as possible, these attributes, I would work to right the ship, but ultimately I'd fire her.

      [–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      TRP is for men. It's not for women. Gender roles underlying "carnal attraction" are innate and fundamentally not switchable.

      On the other hand, "loving partnership" as the ideal, is a completely new invention - as far as I know it was invented around the 1960ies, to create the "profession" of marriage counselling, and is one cog in the enormous family-unit-destruction machine that the elite are still actively building and revving up in America.

      When "carnal attraction" is purified and distilled down to its very essence, it always intersects with the spiritual in a most uncanny way. On this level, there is absolutely no sign of any "loving partnerships", we're instead talking about a swirling tango of two constantly shifting deeply antagonistic forces, which by their perpetual interaction mysteriously create out of themselves an unpredictable, new third force with completely different properties.

      For softies not ready to face the all out battle of the sexual forces, TRP promotes the Captain/First Mate dynamic, which is good in that it gives excellent chances to the man and woman both to thrive in their "natural element".

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Men have different criteria for deducing status than women do. A man's SMV is a sum of many parts; looks, character, status, wealth, charm, emotional stability, etc. For women, it's mostly her looks, and how pleasant she is.

      A man lowers his value when he loses any of the above. For women, they only have to maintain those two things. Further, men go into marriages knowing that their partner's looks will decline, at least somewhat. There's the expectation that they won't put on additional weight -- that's one major area of contention.

      You can see how it's much easier for a man to lower his value than a woman. There's a reason why 70% of divorces are initiated by women.

      [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Funny how improve is probably the best advice for most situations

      [–]caliboo 34 points35 points  (7 children)

      I've said it before but I had this happen twice with two LTRs:

      Don't spend time lifting them up to your level, they'll let you pull them up and then walk all over you.

      Even better: do not invest in people, they're not stocks, you'll never receive a return on investment.

      [–]SirMize 20 points21 points  (2 children)

      except for your children, that should be noted.

      [–]wtfdizzy 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      I've always thought that the sign of a good parent is a person that not only encourages their child to be great, but encourages them to be greater THAN THE PARENT.

      [–]krakosia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      That is the classic goal - children doing better than the parents

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      do not invest in people, they're not stocks, you'll never receive a return on investment.

      One of the best quotes ive seen in a while. 100% true

      [–]doritoesNcoffee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      This. Never invest into people. Instead, make them owe you. There is a huge fucking difference between investing out of a good heart and making a person owe you.

      But gees DoritoesNcoffee, how do I know if I'm investing into a person or just making them owe me? If you are investing into a person, you are the one initiating it, thinking for them. It's the same as giving cat a treat, it'll start to take it for granted.

      Now on the other hand, if someone needs a favor, you don't immediately respond to it. You have to show them that you are going out of your way and specifically make them understand that they will "owe you one later."

      You were not born to guide others to victory. You are here to be the victor yourself surrounded by allies(people who owe you.)

      [–]Manmore 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Would love for you, and others, to elaborate on this.

      I like to encourage plates to work out. Should I spice that with dread?

      [–]TheSKSpecial 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      If she's just a plate, it doesn't really matter what she does because you're not committed to her. If she improves her life and wants to move on, drop her and spin another one.

      If you're married or in an LTR, if you're encouraging her to work out you need to be in the gym too. If you lift them up to your level, you need to be lifting yourself up to an even higher level. Try to be equal, and you will lose.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 118 points119 points  (30 children)

      The thing is the SJWs see this meme and they think "you go girl, you can do better than him now!" they don't actually see the logic that you have presented here. It's good to us for a different reason than it is good to the SJW crowd.

      Bonus: One of the top-rated comments is from a female who also had a man who encouraged her to lose weight, and she innocently asks OP if he was "as controlling" as her boyfriend was.

      Bitches and their baggage man, I'm telling you. So much butthurt and projection. Kind of like the beta faggots that roam around this sub trying to find things to pick at and bicker over rather than use the sub for its intended purpose. To learn how to stop being a beta faggot and get your ship in shape.

      Beta on TRP = guy who wants to turn his ship around

      Beta faggot on TRP = sits here intellectually masturbating reading all the shit as some abstract concept but does NOTHING to change his life instead getting into petty arguments with other users, a clear conscious choice to spend time arguing online rather than doing something productive.

      We need to start banning the latter and shaming them. If you see some cunt needlessly going off topic and attacking another poster, report his ass. Holier than thou pretension hasn't got a place here.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 18 points19 points  (15 children)

      Agree. Some guys just shit on things without attempting to offer a better argument... Love this extra fire in your belly by the way.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 22 points23 points  (13 children)

      I am tired of what I perceive to be man-children adding no depth to the sub just needlessly criticising everything they see with put-downs. These faggots have no place here and their whole demeanour and sensitivity goes against the spirit of the place. I fucking despise 'em. Too much meta faggotry. That's the problem with reddit, too many fuckers who have read a book but haven't picked up a damn dumbbell. You can tell when you're talking to one because they just criticise others from a place of self-importance and stay rooted firmly in the realm of pedanticism. No talking from experience (because they have little) no aggression (because they don't lift and have low T), no examples or howtos, but just this pretentious faggotry they try to pass off as advice. These "people" just come here to fuck with our community, and they are a blight on it. We don't need 'em, but they're sure as shit obsessed with us.

      I was here from around the 4k~ member mark and I've had beta fags who have been here 2 minutes criticise how I TALK (big words, you swear too much etc.) Fuckoff. Shit if I wanna go thesaurus on your ass or talk like I sell fucking crack, I will. I talk how I damn well want. In fact I encourage all men to adopt multiple ways of talking rather than be confined to one way because you need to be versatile for different situations based on context and company. Alas, tone policing is a sign of the beta fag "Oooh I don't like how you're communicating with me!" bitch please. Never had to deal with the faggots of reddit back then and that's one of the utterly shit things about the sub getting large, every cunt shows up and has their utter pile of wank for an opinion that they want to give. And they'll do that shit without helping anyone in the process. Total cunts.

      [–]mister_barfly75 6 points7 points  (2 children)

      I encourage all men to adopt multiple ways of talking rather than be confined to one way because you need to be versatile for different situations based on context and company

      Damn right. I talk differently to a client than I do to a colleague, to a friend rather than I do a girlfriend. Being able to be flexible and adaptable is key for success in life - how can you expect to win people over and adopt the role of leader if you can't communicate with them effectively?

      Alas, tone policing is a sign of the beta fag

      Funnily enough, as soon as I know that someone has spent some time on 4Chan, I'm inclined to trust them. Why? Because there are some smart motherfuckers over there and they won't hesitate to call you out on your bullshit or call you a faggot. I'd rather have that brutal honesty rather than some SJW type with their backstabbing and crab-bucket mentality.

      [–]Gimprome 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Old 4chan. 4chan these days is a real hit and miss. Just like anything, it has gotten too much publicity and the quality has really died down.

      [–]mister_barfly75 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Sadly, very true. It all went downhill after Operation Chanology but still good for the occasional chuckle.

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You can tell when you're talking to one because they just criticise others from a place of self-importance and stay rooted firmly in the realm of pedanticism

      Good god. If ever there was a terminal cancer on reddit it's this. There's a good amount of difference between correcting an actionable fact and dissecting a sentence for the sake of it.

      Something about the typical redditor that makes them pedantic assholes. Perhaps an association with OCD and the need for things to always be correctly in place.

      [–]epitomeofdecadence 2 points3 points  (7 children)

      In fact I encourage all men to adopt multiple ways of talking rather than be confined to one way because you need to be versatile for different situations based on context and company.

      People here need to realize this shit.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 5 points6 points  (6 children)

      Seems to be an alien concept to the sheltered.

      [–]epitomeofdecadence 5 points6 points  (5 children)

      That and the failure to understand that those more on the side of emotional thinking tend to respond much more to the form of communication than the content.

      And that shit is so ingrained in the brain. Just like logic is for those at the other side of the spectrum.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 3 points4 points  (4 children)

      That and the failure to understand that those more on the side of emotional thinking tend to respond much more to the form of communication than the content.

      Don't I know it, those who took issue with my newest piece had nothing to say other than "I don't like how it was written" no actual flaws, helpful suggestions or meaningful critique, just "It's too wordy." Empty criticism like that which attacks style over substance is akin to the feminine/emotional side of the spectrum. Caring more about how it's said rather than what is said. Then there's the ego behind thinking someone should change themselves for you. LOL, seriously. Some of the newer guys on this subreddit should not be posting at all.

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorDemonspawn 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      I came up with an old saying a long time ago:

      People will teach you everything you need to know about them when they try to convince you of something.

      When someone tries to appeal to your emotion, it's because they're an emotional thinker. When someone gives you facts and figures, they're a rational thinker. When someone tries to shame and blame you for being wrong, it's because they're driven by shame and blame.

      Often I'll play devil's advocate to someone just to find out what kind of person they are.

      [–]cognitions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I never connected the dots, but you're absolutely right.

      [–]epitomeofdecadence 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I did catch myself while reading one of your older posts thinking that there is some fat to trim in between what you're trying to say because it can(and apparently does) distract some people but that's their burden, not yours. Write however you enjoy doing so.

      Nobody forced anyone to be here and read any of this.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Older posts admittedly need a grammar clean up, the sentences are too long which is why it seems like "fat needs trimming." I'm aware of that. That's an objective problem, that's good criticism. I accept that and I will go back and make them more readable when I have the time. But the newer stuff does not have that problem, the grammar is much better, the sentences shorter, that wasn't the problem. They took issue with the style, which is a moot point as its preference based. You can never please everyone. If I write for a 10th grade level, people with university degrees will think "this reads very simply - maybe it needs expanding." This is why I'm not a people pleaser, I please myself, because some cunt will always find a way to undermine you, it's par for the course and that's not just with writing an article but that goes for anything. Some of my favourite texts (Schopenhauer, for example) contain some of the wordiest longest sentences you will ever read. Doesn't mean the guy can't fucking write, apparently everyone should be Hemingway, nah, fuck that.

      [–]1Ill_mumble_that 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      He recently dealt with said beta faggots on another post. They'll criticize but offer no advice themselves, and they have none because they are fucking losers.

      [–]R4F1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      In many other subs of an alternative persuasion, they would be called "shills" and publicly outed. Over here, because of the self-help nature of the sub, people give too much benefit of the doubt. I agree, they need to be called out.

      [–]kackwotz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Same shit, different assholes currently occurring in /r/steroids & occasionally /r/fitness. However, the latter & it's variants have a much larger audience, so you have to be 'nice' instead of honest.

      [–]miles37 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The 'controlling' thing sounds to me like the ex-post facto hamsterisation of why she left him, when really it was just subconsciously driven hypergamy because she got in shape and could now do better.

      [–]Charlemagne2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The thing is the SJWs see this meme and they think "you go girl, you can do better than him now!" they don't actually see the logic that you have presented here. It's good to us for a different reason than it is good to the SJW crowd.

      SJW: This is what feminism is about, good for you hun.

      TRP: This is what women are like. Understand it. Deal with it.

      [–]Entrefut 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I had a lengthy conversation with a guy who was doing this to people the other day, though he wasn't really picking people apart, he was just misinformed about the general direction of this thread. Honestly if people don't read the side bar and then come into TRP reading the top posts of the day, they will think we're crazy, because they have absolutely no understand of our perspective. I ended the conversation with, "Go read the sidebar, then some of the other top posts of all time, then head to a couple of the more informed bloggers sites, then if you do all that come back and participate in this thread, but if you can't do that, don't post here, because we don't want the opinions of people who are too lazy to take the time to understand a philosophy before criticizing it."

      Haven't heard back

      [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I just think you see a genuine rift between men improving themselves here. And angry phase younger men during on femenists....

      Most see later posts because they are more prevalent

      [–]100 Modbsutansalt 10 points11 points  (2 children)

      That's uncanny, I just saw that one and posted the following comment:

      It's hypergamy 101. Her SMV went up while yours stayed the same. This is why it's extremely common for wives/gf's who get a boob job or drop a ton of weight to dump their SO in short order because of the huge increase in attention they get from other men that translates to more and often times better (perceived) options.

      [–]JovianTrainWreck 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      And I'm going to imagine you were downvoted into oblivion for it?

      [–]100 Modbsutansalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Was so late to the party it never got noticed.

      [–]1knitro 37 points38 points  (12 children)

      Its not necessarily that dire.

      Cheating is a low courage move to be expected of a recovering fattie (She's still in the 'really, he's interested in me!?' phase) but what this really says is he didn't make commiserate gains in his own SMV to keep her around. He likely got lazy, complacent.

      His comfortableness left him picking up the pieces when those of us who know better would've been able to nip it in the bud.

      [–]WaynesCotting 51 points52 points  (7 children)

      His mistake was probably pure naivety. He believed the myth that he had grown up hearing, that women will stick by a good man just because he's good. He didn't realize he had to raise his SMV to compete because they were already a couple, and felt she would have loyalty to him just because she had previously loved him back, because he cared for her, and because he helped her improve herself. Because that's what he would've done, being a male with honor and loyalty.

      He learned the hard way that women generally do not hold these virtues when push comes to shove.

      [–]CrimsonDeep 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      This right here is the reason why MGTOW appeals to me more and more every day more that I read stuff on it.

      [–]TravellingIndian 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      because he cared for her, and because he helped her improve herself.

      CTM: Briffault's law - Past benefit/help provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association

      [–]SenorPuff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It is not what you do for a woman, but who you are for a woman, that matters.

      [–]wtfdizzy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      He learned the hard way that women generally do not hold these virtues when push comes to shove.

      I've been there too, and it fucking sucks. I had a girlfriend in my early college years with some self esteem issues. Being the good beta buck that I was, I complemented her as often as possible, appealed to her emotions and ego, until one day she got the courage to join a damn sorority. Suddenly, she was being fawned over by her "sisters" and other mouth-breathing fraternity guys. As soon as she realized her SMV was higher than mine, she left my ass to the curb so she could ride that cock carousel to the end of time.

      Learned pretty quick that women can't be trusted in that way. They have no sense of honor or loyalty to those who help them out. The only way to keep them around is to constantly be improving yourself and having a higher SMV at all times.

      [–]tenthirtyone1031 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      Agreed. This is her first chance to ride the CC. Yeah, she's going to do it. He's boring now.

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That's a bit of putting the cart before the horse. The reason why comfortableness causes a problem in a relationship in the first place is precisely because of female hypergamy.

      [–]1wakethfkupneo 10 points11 points  (3 children)

      It's been said before, but worth repeating: healthy relationship (LTR/marriage) is about maintaining SMV difference, ideally +1 up to +1.5 SMV points in man's favor...

      a) -2 or worse: she can't even imagine being sexual with you

      b) -1: you might get pity sex once in a while but she's repulsed and won't think twice about upgrading

      c) 0 (equal): she is interested but deep inside she can't stand equality and will go nuts with shit testing and shaking your frame

      d) +1: healthy relationship; you're above her in the global scheme and hypergamy is haaaaapy ... but not too much above to be too much of a threat

      e) +2: healthy but slightly unstable relationship; at this point you're a bit too much above and deep inside she's scared 24/7 of losing you to younger and hotter girls; also at this point she's opened to anything and you won't hear 'no' to any of your sexual fantasies

      f) +3 and above: the difference is just way too big; even if you wanted to, she'd probably chicken out and run away to protect her heart from being broken (not uncommon) or be jealous beyond normal; not worth it and both of you understand that

      Typical LTR/marriage scenario is that you meet her while d) or c) but then go beta or gain weight and drop to b) scenario. What follows is vagina shutting down and then you start searching for answers and eventually find TRP (yes, talking about myself). Or ... she starts improving herself and her naive boyfriend/husband cheers and encourages her ... why wouldn't he, he's getting hotter woman for himself, right, RIGHT? And then happens what happened in OP, he went from c) straight into a). If your wife is fat and you'd like her to lose weight and improve her looks - think twice. Start from yourself and what'll happen with the SMV difference and how much in that case you'll have to improve yourself in order to maintain or better yet, increase the difference. But never forget the attraction mechanic outlined above.

      [–]1Dev_on 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Too much effort with the math. I'm ready to let go, it she decided to do better, that's fine... Bhuddists have a great attitude with this. He helped her, she's gone. He still did a good thing and can move on

      Just stint lock it in financially.

      [–]waynebradysworld 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Nice breakdown. I'll objectively put my LTR at with me at +1.5 and continue putting in effort to keep it that way

      [–]52576078 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This deserves its own post.

      [–]ClassicGoth 25 points26 points  (3 children)

      This is also why you don't pay for a girl's new tits.

      [–]2asd1100 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      I disagree here, if you are married, she had a couple of kids, she keeps it tight everywhere else and is a good overall wife, a pair of new tits is better than a second car because you both can enjoy them.

      [–]1too_long_didnt_read 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      This is also why you don't pay for a GIRLFRIEND'S new tits.

      FTFY. If you've wifed her up and she's otherwise kept herself in shape the risk is a lot lower and you get to enjoy them too.

      [–]-Tyler_Durden- 22 points23 points  (48 children)

      This is why you must always focus on your own self improvement. She improved her SMV and he did not. If you put on 30lbs. of muscle and decreased your BF% to 10% would you stay with a 4?

      [–]FerrusMan 65 points66 points  (47 children)

      Actually I think a lot of guys would, if they were married, and the sex life was good. That's the difference between men and women. A women would eventually become repulsed by her much lower man and hamster out a way to have an affair. "I'm not happy"

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorDemonspawn 50 points51 points  (6 children)

      Both men and women desire the best in their mates, but women have hard hypergamy while men are much more elastic.

      A woman who is a 6 won't date a 5 man, would begrudgingly accept a 6 man, and craves 7+

      Men who are 6 would date anyone 4 and above.

      What this means is if we have a pairing of a 6 man and a 6 woman and the woman increases her SMV, expect that relationship to end. But if the man increases his SMV the relationship is stable unless he increases his SMV significantly.

      [–]Yoda7 6 points7 points  (4 children)

      It seems like most of the time, even if a woman has the perfect man she wants, shes still not happy. And often sabotages the relationship anyway.

      [–]Ninja_Yewnicorn 10 points11 points  (3 children)

      As a healthy woman, I've noticed that this is far more common in my female friends who arent emotionally mature or have self esteem issues. I don't intentionally sabotage my relationships. I end them when I lose attraction, which is usually fairly quick with most men.

      Tbh, I'm only available for a man who swallowed TRP. Lots of guys out there are beta, but don't show it til the facade becomes too hard to keep up and their true nature shines through.

      [–]icyhot39 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      Wait, stand right there for a sec while I go get my unicorn harpoon.

      [–]JovianTrainWreck 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I don't think harpoons will work on the ninja variety

      [–]FerrusMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Most men out there are have been raised to think beta behavior is what women really want. And as you have found out, this doesn't make you wet.

      [–]pi-py-pie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You're talking SMV right and not general physical attractiveness? Because I would say it is VERY rare for a physically attractive man to date an unattractive woman while it is VERY COMMON for an attractive woman to date a physically unattractive man. Probably 15 years ago I saw a "documentary" (of the same vein mtv cribs is a documentary) on Supermodel Husbands. All of them except maybe one fit a profile. They kept in reasonable shape, but were not especially fit. They were quite a bit older. They were not attractive and many were balding. They were exceptionally good at some thing. One was an incredible architect, another was a groundbreaking surgeon, another was a CEO of an engineering firm he started. I don't remember the rest, but the theme was consistent. The other thing I noticed was that all of them were incredibly calm and genuinely indifferent to the "world famous supermodel" status of their wife.

      Note: I reread what you said and you literally say exactly what I was asking, sooooo lol never mind.

      [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

      You said it wrong, it goes:

      "I'm not haaaaaaaappy!TM "

      [–]SupALupRT 7 points8 points  (20 children)

      i call bullshit. A lot of men have affairs man. It works both ways.

      [–]TheSKSpecial 50 points51 points  (19 children)

      Men cheat physically, women cheat physically, mentally, and emotionally.

      A man will have an affair because he wants to fuck another woman; he does it and goes back to his wife, he doesn't love the other woman he's fucked.

      A woman will have an affair because she wants a whole new relationship; she'll fuck another man, fall in love with him, and then end her marriage to be with the man she's cheating with.

      [–]BloodRoseTRP 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Men search for better sex; women search for better men

      [–]newlifeasredpill 11 points12 points  (14 children)

      True but the main reason is the laws PAY the woman to end her marriage and severely penalize the man for the same exact thing.

      I would fuck the shit out of a woman 15 years and 3 notches of SMV above my wife but then I get to give away half my shit and see my kids once every 14 days

      [–]TheSKSpecial 19 points20 points  (13 children)

      Even when it was more socially acceptable for men to cheat and women didn't get cash and prizes for divorce they rarely left their wives for their mistresses. The wife just had an understanding that if something happened when he was "out on business" or what have you that as long as came home to her at the end of the day, didn't be out in public with the mistress (socially shaming the wife), and didn't get her pregnant (taking some of his resources from the wife) it wasn't an issue. Hell, a lot of athletes, musicians and such today still have that unwritten agreement that "whatever happens on the road, stays on the road". Men don't branch-swing.

      Women and men bond differently when it comes to sex. Even in LTRs, where women don't win cash and prizes for divorce they're more likely to branch-swing than just cheat for sex.

      [–]TehFuggernaut 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      My parents are like this. Some side poon would NEVER interfere with my dads marriage, and he's been working permanently out of town for 5 years.

      [–]TheSKSpecial 10 points11 points  (2 children)

      My grandfather was a notorious player in his day, and he remained married to my grandmother for 40-some years, until the day she died.

      Her reason for not leaving? "A dog may get out the yard and run away for a minute, but he will always come back to a good home. It's when you treat the dog bad that he don't come back."

      [–]TehFuggernaut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I'm not condoning cheating, but if you're not getting any at home I think you should be entitled to some side. Just because a marriage isn't filled with sex like it was in your youth doesn't mean a family has to be destroyed.

      [–]epUser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The mother of a former boss used to say the exact same thing about her husband who used to be a player in his young days. Then one day he left her for another old woman. Dude was like 70.

      [–]teeelo 1 point2 points  (14 children)

      The urge to fuck women hotter than your wife will be there. If they make it easy enough, it's bound to happen.

      [–]Iupvoteforknowledge 8 points9 points  (11 children)

      Disagree completely. Men are generally pretty loyal. It's something thats ingrained in us. Yeah we cheat too, but as a whole hypergamy seems stronger in women. I wouldn't go as far to say, "its bound to happen."

      [–]ForYourSorrows 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Idk man I've seen some pretty loyal guys cheat when some younger hot pussy was thrown in their face..

      [–]BadJokeHour 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      then they're not really as loyal as you think are they?

      [–]FerrusMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I think it comes down to how much action you are getting from home. As I took the red pill, and upgraded myself, I've had several "tests". Hot babe wanting me to go over to her house alone with her to "fix" something. Not only is the urge there, but you get offers too. It messes with your mind, especially if it's top shelf stuff. (ie sex rank higher than me or wife) If I wasn't getting action at home...

      [–]HiddenPools 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It's super objective. If he was below a 7 at his "30lbs of muscle" phase maybe stick with her. If he's now a 7 or above need a 5 or more to be relatively happy below 40 years old.

      [–]reallybloodylongname 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      A reminder to build your own SMV along with your LTR

      [–]BrunoOh 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      I doubt she'll be able to stay thin (if she ever got actually thin).

      Most likely she'll get boned by some alphas, get complacent, quit the gym (sex is more fun!!!) and gain it back and some more.

      Or she'll binge eat against the emotional roller-coaster ride of getting pump&dumped, get depressed and again gain it back and some more.


      When we talked on the phone at night I would ask if she had done her exercise routine that day, if she hadn't I wouldn't say anything else. We went out to eat I didn't say anything about what she would eat, at first there were a few times where if she wanted to get dessert I was say "Are you sure?" but her decision was her own I wanted her to be her own person I loved her regardless.

      Yeah, she's not going to keep that up without him in the picture.


      Of course, comments are a goldmine.

      [–]craigslist_slut 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Also when the duck said

      If she tells you to do whatever you want

      Do whatever you want, because you shouldn't put up with that passive aggressive bulls hit


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        [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        If you are so much better, why not just end it?

        Because he's most likely got some money that he gladly spends for her. Women who discover alpha dicks, while in an LTR with a beta will put much effort into securing their BB stays and pays for the new clothes and perfume they put on for their new stud (s).

        [–]Blocksblox 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Sad but true. <-- my reaction to pretty much everything i've learned from TRP.

        [–]mdadm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Remember men, love is a game,

        Then fuck it. I am not playing.

        [–]mercuryg 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Gentlemen, learn this lesson.

        A thinner hamster will run faster.

        [–]IProbablyHaveEbola 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Wait til they see the excess skin folds.

        [–]RegentsEnd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Red Pill: only acceptable when women do it.

        [–]ecrvnr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        This is for a simple reason. I've always said it, love and sex can't really be separated. My (now ex) gf told me after three years that she wasn't very enthusiastic about sex because I was quite out of shape, but still wanted to be with me because of my personality and so on (you get the idea).
        I was quite Blue Pill at the time so I was shocked that a Nice Guy such as myself would be denied sex eventhough the rest of our relationship was fine.
        Anyway, I dumped her, lost 15kg (about 5 more to lose before I start hitting the gym) and realized that no matter what you do, your relationship will never be good if you're not on par with your SO in terms of physical fitness / attractiveness, and it will never be good if your sex life is not good.

        [–]seddition 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The flipside is the woman who swears she can't lose weight no matter how hard she tries while she is married. As soon as the divorce process starts the pounds start dropping harder than a dub step track.

        [–]Imadeitforgood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        actually the just checked and the surfing by 'best' comments the top comment is saying to STOP any further investmetn which is bomb advice imo, to just cut loses, you fucked up aknowlege that and move on, that is good, cut them right at the knees and just stop investment at once, that is the best advice one can give, also lets hope that people learn from this shit he should of picked up 'red flags' but he didn't he chose to be oblivious, and by choosing to be oblivious or ignorant he shot himself in the foot, he chose the gadam blue pill. Any way i like to say end my comment in a note from a book on nlp that i read a while ago it said. "you are constantly producing results, wether unfavorable or unfavorable, is all you, take credit for both of them, and take responsibility for where you want to be"

        tldr--i don't know if he deserved it or not, but people should be responsible for their outcomes and be responsible for their favorability

        [–]SeekingTheWay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Totally happened to me. My last ex was an unpopular duckling crushed after the last breakup. I deliberately worked on her self-esteem to the point of all her friends telling me how she blossomed with me. This resulted in far more action in bed since she believed in herself, but also developed her a fan-club in our social group resulting in her leaving me for one of the guys from it after 2 years of LTR and one year living together.

        But the logic is obvious - I let myself loose and didn't work on myself, I was nice to her, no dread at all, etc.

        [–]voodoobunny77 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I honestly don't know why he would have cared in the first place. Ex got fat, who cares.... Why would he even talk to her again, everybody is solely responsible for his/her body. Who the fuck cares about others people body, beside the girl you are actually fucking.

        [–]Jackmace 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        No, you misunderstood it. She was fat when he was dating her then when she got skinny she cheated and then left him.

        [–]bigbuzd1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Aww, someone made a meme of my first sweet.

        [–]1NV0K3R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Two things.

        1) Many people have a misunderstanding of what TRP is. Just go visit another board and you will be shocked at how little understanding there is regarding our culture.

        2) I've had this happen to me, not due to weight, but essentially due to social circle. Last ex had low self-esteem and was pretty shy, my constant BP affirmation gave her a big ego(plus she was actually a looker and relatively smart) and she dumped be because she could "do better".

        Last I saw she was dating some fat redneck guy who either waits tables or cooks for a shitty downtown restaurant. Funny how "doing better" works.

        [–]atemall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        So over doing anything for a woman, that includes crosswalks

        [–]Manmore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        LOL a plate told me something very similar a few days ago. I haven't seen her much at all since before summer, and apparently she put a lot of effort into losing some weight. She looks much better and is really dedicated.

        We had a few glasses of wine and talked some. Now, I used to consider this girl somewhat unique. She isn't stupid, uninteresting nor unambitious like most girls I've met. I really thought she was different. When your unicorn dies, you truly realize AWALT.

        Put some alchol into her and it was like she unleashed all these Red Pill axioms that she didn't bother "hiding" anymore. #TheTrueNoFilter

        It's one thing to understand and accept TRP, it's something else completely to fully internalize it.

        "Soon you won't be able to match my hotness" "You're gonna bust in a minute when I'm done with my transformation" "Maybe I'm gonna have to trade up"

        [–]BlaKing 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I don't get this, so a RP man shouldn't help someone become a better person?

        [–]TheSKSpecial 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        If an RP man helps someone become a better person, he must also be improving or else she will leave him.

        This is a case where even though a man helped someone become a better person, he didn't improve himself and got left behind.

        [–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        "and women don't stick around with chumps who suddenly end up with lesser SMV than themselves, regardless of the circumstances."

        Honestly, I sometimes wonder if the only reason we don't have a 100% divorce rate is because women's SMV declines faster than men's SMV with age. If men still thought 40+yo women were bangable, I don't think the institution of marriage could survive. I also wonder if women's fast gaining of weight and fast aging is actually an intentional evolutionary tactic to force women to stop riding the cock carousel after a certain point and focus on her family and kids instead.

        [–]GhostOfAladdin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Red Pill to the rescue. Helping females since forever.

        [–]Charlemagne2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This exact thing happened to a guy I work with (wife worked here too but in another branch/department). They were both overweight. She got gastric bypass and lost it. She then divorced him with the reason that she could do better than him now. When they both were plump she was very affectionate to him with lots of "I love you's." After she could trade for someone who looked better, she went for it. Women always date/marry up.

        [–]Buchloe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Guys, her dumping him has nothing to do with her becoming more attractive. She dumped him because she can do better than be with a guy who has the gall to imply that she lose weight. If he doesn't think cream his pants when she's at her fattest, he doesn't deserve her at her sexiest.

        [–]BhiQ 0 points1 point  (12 children)

        But it's hilarious how this dude who helped her become a better person is now getting tossed to the curb for better men (hypergamy) after he sacrificed his own time and resources to make her a better person.

        I'd totally do that but then again I'm an omega so w/e

        [–]1Rumble_in_the_Jungle 1 point2 points  (10 children)

        Well, what are you doing to fix that?

        [–]BhiQ 0 points1 point  (9 children)

        I'm trying to get into running right now (because I can't afford a gym - I'm really poor because I'm a jobless uni student) and maybe lifting if I can save up the money for the gym.

        Although girls are really the topic that depresses me the most I can't put all that much effort into those things because I need to stop failing uni and find a job first.

        [–]Gimprome 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Do not pedalstool woman. They are not a prize, they are an accessory to the awesome life known as yours. Do not concern them, do things for yourself. Focus on your studies, do you enjoy what you're doing? Do you see yourself in that field of work? Be social with everyone, join a club at uni of your interest. You will find like-minded people, both male and female and just shoot the shit with them.

        Everyone here advocates lifting because it raises your smv multiple ways. The most obvious being looks, but it also makes you feel good. Using your muscles is a natural, primal thing that release endorphins that give you a sense of satisfaction.

        [–]TheSKSpecial 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Do bodyweight exercises. Pushups, dips, planks, squats, etc. You can start building muscle without a gym.

        [–]1exit_sandman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Society teaches us that such a loving, selfless act will endear a woman to you forever and make her love you.

        Well, to be honest, "encouraging your (overweight) girlfriend to lose weight" isn't exactly selfless and, unless you were her personal trainer, or paid for her gym membership, or made her a nutrition plan, or paid for high quality ingredients, or prepared her meals etc., wasn't even an effort for you.