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[–]2trway14 259 points260 points  (67 children)

They always try to hamster away the evolutionary roots and the near universality of female submissiveness by saying "It's just because I have so much power in my real life that I need the opposite in the bedroom, just to take a break from all that responsibility." Hamster bonus: this way they also get to make themselves out to be oh-so-important and successful at work.

Meanwhile the men they fuck are also high status in real life, so those men apparently never get to take a break. None of these women ever bother explaining why their "logic" only applies to females. Or, if it's really about "taking a break" rather than about being female, why highly successful men can't find a female partner who will boss them around.

Meanwhile, the girls who are not high achievers with lots of responsibility IRL also want to be dominated in the bedroom. Whatever reasons they hamster up are clearly incompatible with the "taking a break" trope.

But hey, as long as the hamster story works for her personal case, there's no need to see if it is logically consistent in the broader context of reality. Those are questions solipsism doesn't ask, because if it doesn't check out against reality that might ruin the nice, warm, safe, cushioned chamber of rationalizations she's set up in her head.

It's all about the feelz. This is why you can politely bring up reasonable counter-arguments against the "taking a break" hamster story, and women will still perceive it as a personal attack. In the hamster's view you are literally threatening to take down her emotional security, which is tied to her delusional self-image. Factual evidence that suggests an origin to female submissiveness in evolutionary biology? Offensive! Threatening!

Related: they don't want to feel guilty for having him do most of the work in bed.

/r/TheRedPill/comments/2l9koo/why_women_dont_tell_you_what_they_want/

[–]2 Mredpillschool 63 points64 points  (33 children)

"It's just because I have so much power in my real life that I need the opposite in the bedroom, just to take a break from all that responsibility."

Just the slightest bit of logic applied to that would make a woman wonder why men don't all have the exact same desire, since they also have the power of the patriarchy on their shoulders!

Edit: To the people responding- yes, kinks exist of all sorts. I know a guy who likes his balls stepped on. Off topic, folks.

[–]charlie_bodango 17 points18 points  (8 children)

May not be popular, but I've heard that almost all men who go to visit a dominatrix are High status and have power. I think the rest of men get shit on enough during their day to day that they don't want to pay to get their nuts stomped or whatever. I think this is different from what these women are saying. I'm getting a lot of middle management HR with an "I'd like to speak with the manager" haircut vibe coming off these... ladies.

[–]llienonif 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I work in this industry and I can confirm the richest, most successful guys are nearly all into this. They often work very high up and are used to being in a position of power and are in to basically being dominated.

I'm obviously not saying that if you are rich, successful and in power you want your balls trampled on, but believe me, there is a huge amount that do.

Personally I can't understand it at all, I like being dominate so much I even lose interest a bit if a girl tries to "take control". Maybe I'm not successful or powerful enough yet!

Slightly more relating to the post, I really can't remember the last girl I slept with who didn't enjoy everything mentioned by op. That said, it could just be the types of girls I go for but unless they are just doing it to appease me, all girls I sleep with love to be dominated like this.

[–]antidoxdevice 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Not all women like being dominated, but pretty much no women want to dominate.

Wouldnt the reason that most dominatrix's have high status clients is because they charge like $300 an hour and rich men are the only ones that can afford them?

[–]llienonif 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's more that they can charge these prices because there is a high demand for it. It also so happens that this high demand comes from people who happen to be powerful in some sense. Also, it's not so much the rich people, it's specifically people with power.

Also plenty of people get £150-£200 p/h girls who aren't at all that rich, nothing stopping these people asking for specific requests from girls. It's just whenever it happens, it's from these types of guys.

Again, not suggesting all high powered guys are in to this at all, just an awful lot, and way more than I would have thought if I wasn't involved in this industry.

[–]fadeonviolet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know a girl who worked as a dominatrix in a dungeon in Chicago who told me stories about this... Apparently most of their regulars were powerful businessmen, doctors, lawyers - and they all wanted to be pegged. So there may be some truth to it.

[–]killua-san 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well females have a lot of privilege so maybe that is where they get off from being dominated? Isnt the whole RP about how women dominate men? Deep down?

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, these are the only guys that can AFFORD a dominatrix.

[–]DevuSM 9 points10 points  (6 children)

When did spanking, choking, cumming on, and generally degrading the girl you're having sex with become work?

[–]bassivemalls 16 points17 points  (0 children)

"I break my back working all day long putting food on this table and then, on top of all that, when I come home I have to expel semen from the tip of my penis and give you a massive facial? You ask for the world, woman!"

[–]The_Real_BenFranklin 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Sometimes, after a long day at work, I just want to lay back and have someone else do all the work. Or if I'm really hammered.

[–]16 Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Actually, it sometimes is. When you're tired especially, all that stuff is much more tiresome than vanilla sex. I do enjoy it from time to time, but I don't need it to get off. My girl does, so if she keeps begging, I sometimes oblige because, as I tell her, I'm such a nice guy.

[–]mister_barfly75 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't realise it was. Always a pleasure, never a chore....

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorWhisper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course it's fucking work.

It requires close attention and walking a very fine line. It has to be rough enough to feel real, but be safe enough to be repeatable. It has to be scary enough to turn her on, but not scary enough to turn her off.

Anyone who thinks providing rough, degrading sex isn't a lot of work has probably never gotten beyond fake handcuffs and a spanking.

Thing is, it's work that is worth it... so long as you're getting off on it. It's not a matter of it not being effort... it's a matter of it being rewarding effort.

[–]throwaway_explainer 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You don't understand.

With enough power, even as a man you can easily find solace in taking the passive role and just enjoying getting "fucked" by a woman.

It really is a break. A very refreshing one while at that.

You can't revert to that form in front of any woman, but it is not uncommon to keep such women in your life for just being able to take a break and enjoy.

[–]redpillthrower 4 points5 points  (11 children)

As far as im aware, there is actually a decent amount of high powered ceos and other men that like femdom and being controlled.

[–]2 Mredpillschool -1 points0 points  (10 children)

Ok, so the comparison here is that women pretend to avoid their nature (which is wanted to be dominated) by saying it's just a switch up from their day-to-day which is apparently being in charge. (The average woman pretending to be a man).

And you've compared it to a small select number of CEOs that have a kink.

What's "decent amount"? Are these guys going to their wives and girlfriends looking to get respect via the natural order of things? Wife cracking the whip? Are they getting respect for it? Do they seek out dominatrices specifically because it would lose them respect?

Does your statement really address the topic at hand?

Seriously? Do you people just post contrary bullshit and argue semantics because you've nothing else to do during your days?

Use a fucking brain cell.

[–]redpillthrower 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I just was throwing in some information, i wasn't making a definitive counter to your argument. I remember reading that many of the men who engage in being dominated sexually by a female are high powered/high status males such as CEO's. I cannot find the study/link, but i can tell you the guys name is Roy Baumheister.

Obviously people on the red pill can talk how they want, however it is difficult to reply to rhetorical questions like that, its quite close to "reply to me and be banned", which if true, alright.

There are also recent studies showing how a large number of men fantasize about being sexually dominated, though they seem to be surveys via the internet and probably not super reliable.

[–]throwaway_explainer 2 points3 points  (7 children)

No.

The underlying point of yours is true.

However, you directly implied that men do not get off doing that. Which is not true.

This does not only concern a select number of CEOs either.

I indulge in this behavior myself, and I know several others who do as well. So I know for a fact that this is not limited to a very specific niche of people. It is true that the people I know who possess this trait have a commanding personality and alike people are probably drawn to each other.

Still, you are taking this way too seriously. Try not to let your ego sway your judgement. It is a valid point and contains information that is relevant to both the topic at hand and at your reply.

[–]2 Mredpillschool 6 points7 points  (6 children)

I'm annoyed for one reason- because instead of getting the point, what we have here is a swath of idiots who simply missed the point and wanted to make a pedantic point.

Somewhere in kansas a man was born with a vagina. Still not relevant to today's conversation.

If it were one person, whatever. Two people? Come on. But three - five people chiming in "oh but red pill school, look at this fringe group! LOOK!"

No, save it.

THE AVERAGE WOMAN WANTS TO BE DOMINATED. THE AVERAGE WOMAN IS NOT DOMINANT.

THE AVERAGE MAN DOES NOT WANT TO BE DOMINATED.

[–]throwaway_explainer 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I post here very seldom, and even then only when I have something concrete to add. This is not a pedantic point, nor unrelated to the conversation.

Your underlying point was not lost on anyone, as it was preaching to the choir in textbook form.

This is not about you, it is about the information conveyed.

This is a sexual trait that seems to manifest in both sexes -- for women it is default as your chanted to the choir. For men, it stems from elsewhere.

Based on my knowledge of the world, this is not a fringe case either. The amount of similar, synchronous replies (which I did not notice before posting) tells something as well. As others have pointed out, this is related to power dynamics. Those who are in BDSM circles can probably chime in on this topic as well, and affirm it. Perhaps others as well.

There is no need to get defensive, even if it goes against the grain of what you have written.

(Edit: this post in no way reflects upon the average edit above.)

[–]1Ill_mumble_that 3 points4 points  (3 children)

As a bisexual dude who has dabbled in acting as a bull in cuckold relationships, to being tied up and dominated by a femdom inclined-woman, I don't really give a fuck about kinks. It's more about the experience of trying it all and adventuring new experiences. Not long ago sex was my final frontier and I tried literally everything short of beastiality. I think for most guys its probably the taboo, some let it get out of control, just like some guys masturbate too much.

A dominate woman is something that doesn't exist in sexual nature. It's a rare delicacy like Saffron that has to be either cultivated or paid for in unwieldy amounts of money. I guarantee that the only reason a high powered man would crave a dominatrix is because its otherwise so fucking easy for him to get regular pussy. After you've slept with 100 women they all start to feel the same. I've slept with black chicks, Indian chicks, Asian chicks, Russians, Germans, Africans, tall girls, short girls, fat girls, anorexic girls, got a bj from a midget once... and all of them are just a slightly different recipe for the same flavored pie.

And women are boring. They always want the same thing. To be dominated. They don't like to adventure, you have to lead them. It is always the case. They will try to impress you with new kinks sometimes, but it is never because they genuinely want to try it themselves, its because they want to impress you. Women trade ass-to-mouth for male validation. There is little variation and color with women outside of the way they look. Despite this, we still crave them because we have no choice biologically. I crave pussy like I crave a single dinner recipe that I've enjoyed countless times. But if you want to try an alternative dish like a dominate sexual partner? You either have to go gay or pay a woman to act, and money speaks faster than grooming with validation.

[–]cucumberadoption 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Well, if the pie is sex and the different flavors are your sexual partner, I can see how you feel it's becoming routine. Fact is, even a chocolate lover grows tired of chocolate if they eat too much. I think you've blazed yourself. :/

Another thing is that you actually don't have to pay to get a real domina. But we are high in demand, guys in the bdsm clubs literally line up to date us so we are never single. I know plenty of domina's but it might be easier for me since this is my friends I'm talking about.

There are pro-dominas who will gladly exploit these guys lining up, but they will never give you the real experience between two adults who love each other and kink out togheter. It's like a relationship compared to buying prostitutes.

This might be why you think I can't be craving kink in my sexlife. But I love inventing stuff to do with my SO, and I love pushing his limits for what he will let me do. Accept of kinky actions is highly linked with how horny they are, and teasing up my man lets me explore new things.

Although we always practice this safely, keeping in mind the submissive is the one with the power to say "no". But I'm the one who decide when and how to have sex and I'm having the best of times with this.

Recently I made him join a bdsm club so I had access to rooms with better equipment; tie-up crosses, wheels and real cages. I bring him over there, tie him up and explore his body on a level I never thought were possible, it gives me so many new ways to love my partner.

I buy him sexy clothes to dress him up, I buy toys to use on him and I take my sweet time exploring his body in new ways. To now my ideas have been buying a ceiling hanging cocoon chair I can use as a cage, buying a vibrator for men, fleshlights and tenga eggs, gladpack, tapes and silk ropes (for shibaru), breathplay, blindfolds, hot waxes/metal icecubes, ninetails, floggers, horse,- and bullwhips, wallhooks, legspreaders, latex and leather clothes in a huge variety (sidenote: Why is there impossible to find men's clothing in this category? I have to special order everything from germany) all this besides the usual naugthy texts/Phonesex/hiding sextoys in his bag and make him use it on himself during his businesstrips. And I enjoy it immensely.

I would absolutely shoot myself if I had to practice vanilla sex the rest of my life.

[–]potbellyWhaleHunter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you are mixing it up a bit with your view on bdsm here...

In the bdsm community we look at 24/7's and properly collareds (those who live sumbissive/ dominant roles all time) as a bit strange, mentally broken somehow... Most regulars in the comunity will assume that type of people sought out BDSM because of underlying psychopath traits (those who just can't put their "dominant personality" away) or trauma (those who can't put their submissive personality away).

The power exchange is also as following: The submissive is the one with all power because they can say "no" at any time and the dominant must comply. The dominant are a bad dominant if they arent mentored properly (a dominant must be dominated themselves to be good at dominating properly). The dominant must invent the game, work it up and play it out while the submissive is given an experience.

This experience is better if the submissive is able to let go and enjoy the trip. As a dominant you are bad if you can't get the submissive to trust you enough to let go (ruins the experience), which means to enforce the knowledge of the submissive's real power. Anything else is considered bad work and/or real torture and violation and not play. This is why we preach about safety words so much, because the dominant isnt the one who say "no": it's the sub.

There is a popular saying and it goes like this: "The dominant wortship the ground the submissive is kneeling on." and I think you understand what is meant by it.

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[–]17b29a 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would you expect men to react the same? Are men and women the same?

[–]1Zanford 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Yes, they all like rough sex. Since I 'discovered' BDSM, I have literally never had a girl object to it, and almost all of them are much wetter and more orgasmic (and more likely to pepper me with sexts, gifts, etc. on future dates) for it.

That said I recommend introducing it after you've banged the girl a few times; it might fire up LMR on the first time.

[–]sumdumguy-throwaway 11 points12 points  (0 children)

BDSM is sort of the ultimate in attention whoring for women. I've gotten similar results but it sure takes a lot of energy when honestly, I'd really rather just fuck her 3 different ways for 10 minutes and then fall asleep.

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    [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

    Actually if you ask a lot of them don't.

    If you just start to spank, choke, deepthroat and manhandle them, they do. Always.

    [–]rpkarma 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Truth. Never had a girl not enjoy it.

    [–]TheWindyCity 12 points13 points  (4 children)

    When you consider all the pedestization your and special little unicorn treatment your average women receives from beta males (a good 80% of the male population mind you) I have no doubt that any given women feels like she has all the power in her dynamic with those around her. Getting dominated in bed is just giving her what she instinctually craves. Alpha fucks are like the multivitamin that makes up for a women's poor diet that's based entirely on beta bucks.

    [–]1Zanford 9 points10 points  (3 children)

    Mystery (and many PUAs since) theorized this was why negs worked so well. B/c modern women get endlessly complimented and pampered, negs, push-pull, aloofness etc. were a breath of fresh air.

    Whereas in a traditional culture it might actually pay to be nice.

    [–]TheWindyCity 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    My girlfriend, when I asked by a group of guys at the bar she works at what makes me so attractive, one of the first things she responded with was "he never asks me what I'm doing". Combine that aloofness (and generally not giving a shit) with compliments and affirmation that is rarely given and you've got a fantastic recipe for attraction. All these is even more critical if you have a girlfriend/plate who works in a service field where they're constantly getting told how great they are by beta males

    [–]foldpak111 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    It's hard to break out of that beta most of were where we get over excited when a girl is interested. Quit with the damn text marathons. Quit with the insecurity when she is out living her life. Abundance mentality!

    I've noticed girls mentioning how they like it when I'm mean. But apparently I do it in a sweet way, they call me the 'sweetest asshole.' I guess it's a breath of fresh air when you say things like; your face is retarded how do you even leave the house. Your arms are too long, nose is definitely crooked, got that little neck long neck going on too, it may be time to give up dating because you are not attractive at all. Then immediately contradict yourself and say it turns you on. Haha they can't get enough of that shit

    [–]betablueballs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Well, on a more simple level, even if both sexes are nervous to first talk to each other, bantering breaks down the nerve levels and establishes quick rapport. It doesn't have to be some deeper thing than that.

    [–]1 MMachiavellianRed 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Keep up the great posts and we may be forced to endorse you.

    [–]unstoppablo 7 points8 points  (7 children)

    Meanwhile the men they fuck are also high status in real life, so those men apparently never get to take a break.

    I find this to be particularly similar to fat vs height in men and women preferences respectively. On the other hand, given this was true, if a man wanted to be submissive in bed, he would be expected to "man up" or to stop being such a bitch.

    Good post

    [–]mister_barfly75 7 points8 points  (5 children)

    if a man wanted to be submissive in bed, he would be expected to "man up" or to stop being such a bitch.

    Or turned into a cuckold and forced to watch while his Domme got ploughed by a "real man"

    [–]colovick 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    As a part time bull, this x100... You almost have to feel bad for the guys with the shit they do. Also it's surprisingly hard to find people not wanting some gay aspect to the play (him licking her clit while you plow her, him being a fluffer, etc.), but it's still worth it if you get the opportunity.

    [–]1iluminatiNYC 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    As someone who has dabbled with this, I can say I actually have a bit more respect for the gay cucks. The Closet is Real, hemophilia isn't completely dead and being upfront about wanting the Democratic can be an issue for dudes. Those straight ones though... Yeah, no respect. None.

    [–]gggkin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Where do you find these couples?

    [–]colovick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Different places. Fetlife is one, craigslist has a ton of them, but questionable quality, but you'll rarely find someone who will tell their friends, so you're pretty much looking at online, sex parties, and swingers clubs.

    [–]Tachyon9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Or, and this always works for me, you lay back and tell her what to do. I love when a women takes control in bed but very few are willing too. So instead I force them to be on top and tell them what I want while they do all the work. I like it both ways. To be dominant and occasionally I want to be submissive. And there is nothing quite as fun as when both of you are fighting over control while absolutely fucking each others brains out.

    [–]moho_mine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Fantastic reply. Well done mate.

    [–]through_a_ways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Word. Everyone hamsters submissiveness as stemming from "having too much power IRL". Yeah, I'm sure that the guys who visit dominatrixes are overwhelmingly wealthier and more powerful than the ones who visit escorts.

    You don't need any evidence for socially accepted claims, but you need an infinite amount of evidence for unaccepted ones.

    [–]SamGill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's all about the feelz. This is why you can politely bring up reasonable counter-arguments against the "taking a break" hamster story, and women will still perceive it as a personal attack. In the hamster's view you are literally threatening to take down her emotional security, which is tied to her delusional self-image. Factual evidence that suggests an origin to female submissiveness in evolutionary biology? Offensive! Threatening!

    i want to save this portion of your comment. you have solved an age old mystery in my mind.

    [–]killua-san 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I do think guys get a break though. Isnt the stereotype business-man who like to be dominated by a latex-clad catwoman someone who gets a break the exact same way?

    [–]2trway14 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    You forgot the part of the stereotype where he pays for it because women who voluntarily prefer taking control in bed are rarer than a can of dandelion & burdock.

    [–]killua-san 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They are unicorns I believe. ;)

    [–]SuperSlavisWife 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    "None of these women ever bother explaining why their "logic" only applies to females. Or, if it's really about "taking a break" rather than about being female, why highly successful men can't find a female partner who will boss them around."

    You clearly haven't spent enough time around members of the BDSM community. Plenty of very powerful men are into extreme humiliation the descriptions of which I would not like to repeat here.

    Yes, women do prefer to be the submissive ones. But there is truth to powerful people also wanting to submit and lose all power from time to time. If anything it probably means that combining both (female and holding power in her work life) would likely result in a desperate desire for BDSM sex.

    [–]2trway14 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    You clearly haven't spent enough time around members of the BDSM community.

    On the contrary. But let's not make this a discussion about our "credentials".

    Plenty of very powerful men are into extreme humiliation the descriptions of which I would not like to repeat here.

    If you had actually read my post, you would have seen that I never claim that men do not have submissive desires. I am well aware of the most recent research that shows the percentage of men who would like to sub is almost as high as the percentage of women.

    The difference is, the vast majority of these men cannot find any woman interested in taking control (unless they pay for it). That is exactly what I claimed with the sentence you quote:

    highly successful men can't find a female partner who will boss them around

    Let me repeat that for you: I never said "are not interested in finding". You're debating a strawman here, not my actual post.

    P.S. If you had any experience with the same BDSM community I know, you'd be aware that male subs are the lowest in the pecking order. They are a dime a dozen. Hardly anyone wants them, unless they have some other quality to compensate.

    [–]SuperSlavisWife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I was addressing largely the first line in your quote, basically saying that the logic doesn't only apply to females, as that line says.

    And there are plenty of dominant and switch females. The problem is that highly powerful men who want to sub need a dominant, discreet, mature female who won't ever let that side of their relationship be seen in his workplace, by his friends or by his family. Finding a woman to boss you around, beat you and humiliate you isn't hard. It's finding one who'll keep her mouth shut about it that is difficult.

    [–]Ignatius_Oh_Reilly 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Also the fact she considers it, "leading" dirty work (also it sounds like she is in H.R. which is in general the most feminine part of the work world). Leading, making decisions for actual strong people is more enjoyable that not having control. The whole need to take a break shows someone is doing something that they aren't really hard wired for.

    [–]gideonrakthor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Man, reading this rustled my jimmies like I discovered RP for the first time again...I think I'll give up trying to call women out on this and just use my knowledge to my own advantage. Peace.

    [–]LeeLane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's just because I have so much power in my real life

    Waitaminute...I thought they were always being oppressed at work and earned less than men...

    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    So she's not high achieving because she likes sex?

    [–]LAMFF 167 points168 points  (19 children)

    One of the things I find most annoying about women is their incessant need to qualify all their behaviors instead of just owning them. Even though a woman enjoys being dominated, she has to couch it with reminders (to every sorry schlep listening) about how strong or independent she feels she is. No sweetheart, you love to have your hair pulled, your ass slapped, and to be called demeaning things while being railed from behind. It's not about your fucking MBA it's about your natural instincts on an animal level.

    [–]LewisSkolnick 37 points38 points  (0 children)

    That's some straight up mainlining of the universe right there.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 37 points38 points  (0 children)

    Self-awareness, not really the female strong point. Solipsism and the hamster have an incestuous relationship.

    [–]HeadingRed 17 points18 points  (2 children)

    So true- and it's not just qualify its justify. Think about how many times a woman has called you out for something- and how quickly it move to "you did this because you don't care" or "you did this because you don't like me".

    A few weeks ago I heard a woman talk about a minor accident she was in. Here is what I heard-

    1. She was on the road because she wanted to make sure dinner was special.

    2. It was so important for this dinner to be special because she loves the dinner guests so much.

    3. She had so much on her mind because she wanted to make sure everyone else had a good time.

    4. She has a hard time taking care of herself because she is always making sure everyone else is having a good time.

    5. She just wants to make sure its something new because she wants it to be special.

    And . . . . .

    1. I backed into a parked car in the parking lot

    Moral of the story- it's not about the action, it's about the motivation. As only she knows her own true motivation (and she usually knows yours as well) no one can call out her motivations as false, therefore validating any actions she might take.

    [–]skoobled 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    And also the way children try to weasel out of trouble

    [–]HeadingRed 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    A guy would have led with "Backed into another car in the parking lot, wasn't paying attention". I notice women "pave the road" with motivation prior to delivering the actual action and outcome. It's like by laying a foundation of good intentions the results (which are already in the past) will be different.

    [–]1wiseclockcounter 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    It's because Feminism inherently places women below men. Not directly mind you, because on the surface it's all about bringing women up, right? Well wrong, because the subconscious implication is that women NEED to be brought up- that submission is a position of shame and worthlessness. Couple this with the demonization of men, drilling into young women's minds that masculinity should be feared and combatted, that all men are closeted rapists, mix in a healthy dose of orwellian redefinition of sexual assault-- and to no redpiller's surprise, you have a bunch of girls torn between their deluded ego and their natural desires.

    The classic dynamic between men and women is that way for a reason: it works for both parties. The problem is a result of Feminist cultural reprogramming. The solution is the solipsistic hamstering we see in the OP. A better solution, however, would be that women, as you say, just OWN it... But that kind of widespread introspection is a bit much to ask, now isn't it.

    [–]Lt_Muffintoes 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    It's a strong indication of lying. Someone telling the truth doens't feel the need to justify every little detail. They know that who they are in bed is the real them.

    [–]vzhu 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    They're trying to hamster away the conflict between their behavior and their beliefs. A Freudian might say they're trying to resolve an id-superego conflict.

    [–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I tip my fedora in your general direction, m'lamff.

    [–]ben0wn4g3 0 points1 point  (9 children)

    I tried the slut thing on my new girl she was not impressed

    [–]LAMFF 18 points19 points  (8 children)

    Hate to break it to you, but you just don't turn her on enough.

    [–]Sleep-less 12 points13 points  (3 children)

    Your probably bang on here. To be physically dominant with a woman, you must be seen as capable of physical dominence.

    She isn't going to respect some guy who's 9 stone wet through trying to force her head into the bed while he nudges her from behind, it's just going to aggrivate her and wind her up for reasons she can't explain.

    I make a habit of lifting and throwing a girl onto the bed and then lifting her clean off the bed, placing her into the position I want her in and I have NEVER had a woman object to me being a little rough with her as a result.

    There are also two or three positions where you can achieve very deep penetration with little to no effort, so if you mix these into your routines between pounding, you can maintain composure and catch your breath without her even noticing.

    She ends up a pile of sweating jelly and your just looking at her stupid as if to say "that's all it took". After the first time you do this, they will more often than not be putty in your hands, and you no longer have to pursue sex, they will often do that for you. Those breather positions make a drastic difference on that first impression though.

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      [–]rpkarma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      From behind, but push her ass into the exact right angle for you, typically down further than you'd go. Also, because I curve to the left, face down but angled slightly upwards with one of her legs up a bit, almost like you're spooning but her face down more. Those are the two I use, but the guy you're replying to is bang on correct.

      [–]Sleep-less 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yeah, just like the other guy said they kinda vary from person to person depending on your build, the size of you, how tall you and your partner are etc, so you really have to find what works for you.

      Typically for me my go to positions are as follows. Put them into doggy position, face touching the bed, but bring their arse back so that it is hovering just above their ankles. It tends to tighten up all their arse muscles and allows deep penetration with low effort.

      Second one. Put her on her back. Put her knees to her chest. Then there are two ways you can go, both feel different for her. Either put her feet on your chest and slip in, pushing her knees together gently after your in, or put her legs clean over your shoulders and get slightly on top of her so your dropping down onto her.

      The second one takes a bit more flexibility on her part but it drives my current girl WILD, and it's absolutely effortless compared to most positions just because how deep you get. A couple of slow rough rythmic thrusts makes her howl like a banshee.

      Just find what works for you really. Also placing a pillow under her lower back/arse helps with deeper penetration in almost all missionary type positions.

      [–]ben0wn4g3 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      She's game for everything else I do but the word 'slut'. Gagged. Handcuffed. Buttplug. You name it. Just the first time I tried 'you're my good little slut' she freaked. 'Good girl' is OK apparently.

      [–]HeinousFu_kery 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Try "You're my BAD girl" (don't wind up sounding like you're talking to a dog though). A little hyperbole goes a long way. There may be some other term that work well too..."My toy"? "My fuck slave" You'll know when you find it.

      [–]CumForJesus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      What would she do if she was gagged, handcuffed, with a plug in her butt, your dick in her vagina, and you said she's a slut ?

      [–]trpfieldreport 66 points67 points  (12 children)

      All women like rough sex.

      The liberal in me wants to say that not all women like rough sex, but the more women I have in bed and the further I push the boundaries, the more I understand AWALT.

      They don't want to be a beta-male's love-making partner. They want to be dominated and treated like an alpha-male's cum depository.

      [–]2 Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 45 points46 points  (6 children)

      I went on a few dates with a self-professed feminist. On the very first date I got her talking about her sexual likes/dislikes and fantasies. She told me she liked to be called "non-PC terms." That's literally what she said: non-PC. This girl engaged in thought policing SJW online activities. Ya know, telling guys like me (white males) to check our privilege. But in her spare time she wants those same white males to throat fuck her while calling her 'dirty whore', 'cum slut', 'white bitch', 'dumb cunt' and various other naughty thing. I thing I deposited 4-5 loads down her throat over the course of a couple of weeks of seeing her. Every time I called her a dumb white bitch she would gag on my cock more ferociously. She literally gets wet to being objectified and treated like dirt by a white male. Go figure.

      [–]trpfieldreport 24 points25 points  (4 children)

      I fucked a hippie girl last week. I saw several of her ex's, all hippie, skinny, awkward beta dudes.

      Silly considering she's pretty hot and has a much higher SMV than the guys she dates.

      Anyway, typical hippie type girl in person. Very open, inclusive, intelligent and accepting.

      Then in the bedroom she melted into putty in my hand just by picking her up off the ground and throwing her on the bed.

      Proceeded to absolutely demolish her soul, and she absolutely couldn't get enough.

      [–]gonjinetik 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Absolutely true. In fact, I've found the more emphatic about "sexual equality/feminism" they are, the more it's like they are trying to cover the fact that they melt so easily in a dominant man's hands

      Fucking a feminist from sf (pretty much any girl from sf). The kind of girl that thinks relationships should be 50/50, and that kids should have both the parents last names (eg "Robert Smith-Wiener")

      She's told me things like

      • "I like when you tell me what to do"*

        ^ After I "made" her finish all her veggies, even though she initially argued with me every step of the way.

      • "All my other bfs always eventually let me have the power...and I love getting it, but once I know I can do whatever I want....I feel out of control, and I go crazy, and I hate it..."*

      ^ Response to me telling her she's going to be doing what I tell her, and if that makes her miserable being with me, then there is zero chance of anything beyond fucking casually

      [–]Wheat-Thins 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Rare combination of self awareness and honesty in that second quote.

      [–]chewis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I think I saw your post the other day. Had a very similar experience.

      [–]TakeYourSoma1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This is one of my major sexual goals.

      [–]Masonjarteadrinker2 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      This is true, the more chicks I fuck the more I realize that they all want to get pounded.

      [–]1Zanford 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      The liberal in you needn't be conflicted. After all don't liberals believe that what someone wants in the bedroom is no one else's beeswax to judge.

      You presumably wouldn't have any qualms with two lesbians or two gay dudes doing BDSM.

      [–]trpfieldreport 11 points12 points  (2 children)

      The liberal presumption is that all people are different and different strokes for different folks.

      AWALT is a tough pill to swallow for a liberal. But it's proven time and again.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Exactly... I hold reservations in the sense that "Sure, outliers" but I also never shy away from telling anybody that in every single sexual encounter, it turned out better when I was dominant. Not to mention every girlfriend I was'nt dominant with just telling me I should be, and to stop asking so many questions because I should "Just know"

      [–]23490865243879526487 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The liberal presumption is that all people are different and different strokes for different folks.

      That's not liberal, that's leftist. Liberals believe in freedom, leftists believe that everyone of them is a unique beautiful snowflake.

      [–]hobo_with_a_gun 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      "Everything in life is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power" - Frank Underwood

      [–]TekkomanKingz 19 points20 points  (2 children)

      The last sentence doesn't make any sort of logical sense:

      "I won't be passive and I won't let you walk all over me, but I do need the control."

      Typical female.

      [–]BluepillProfessor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Logic? What is this logic of which you speak?

      [–]GuruDev1000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      If you don't know that context, that's so grammatically confusing. It should be “but I do need to be controlled.”

      [–]anonlymouse 24 points25 points  (2 children)

      As a woman, a strong one, (at least I'd like to think so)

      Any woman who says she's strong, isn't. Unless she's a competitive weight lifter or something like that. 'I'd like to think so' is an unusual level of self awareness.

      [–]skoobled 19 points20 points  (1 child)

      It's just a slogan they've been taught to recite

      [–]pi-py-pie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It's code and the literal translation is, "I'm a slut."

      [–]1runnerrun2 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      I also want to point this one out:

      I'm usually doing the firing or the "dirty work"

      This can't really be factually true and is probably not even all that close to the truth either. It's a rationalization for her wanting to express she needs to be professional in a professional environment every day. There's a big perceptual gap between what a woman thinks is dirty work and what a man thinks is.

      [–]dardanmm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      "I like when he takes control but no no I'm doing all the work because I have the pussy"

      [–]bat_mayn 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Quite a lot of women like to run on the hamster wheel, and conflate the desire to be controlled in the bedroom, as some sort of BDSM fetish.

      "So what do you like, miss?"

      "Well.. have you heard of the 50 Shades of Gray? hehe"

      Oh.. right... Traditionalism. But because they don't want to accept that, they'd prefer the alternative of adopting a "spit on me and call me worthless" lifestyle...

      [–]23490865243879526487 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      If you frame your true nature as a kink you can avoid all the responsibility to it. Sure honey you like spankings and rough assfucking because your daddy hugged you too hard.

      [–]ohhaio 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I was debating whether to snap a particular gonewildstories post... it's probably not worth a whole thread but I'll comment: there are no unicorns, AWALT... if they don't get it from you they will get it from someone else.

      Guys, if you are not already, you should subscribe to r/gonewildstories

      (1) because it's entertaining and hot, but mainly (2) because nothing will better illustrate AWALT.

      [–]RPthrowaway123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This sort of thing still blows my mind sometimes.

      [–]foldpak111 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Y'all worrying about what women want loll I'm just over here eating pizza

      [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      throw that shit out and switch to steak. junk food's disgusting lol

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        [–]Xbitz 4 points5 points  (7 children)

        Definate AWALT, but what puzzles me is the evolutionary reason that woman like to be degraded.

        Is it to do with status? If a man treats her like shit does that mean he's higher status in her eyes?.

        It could be ultimately down to hypergamy

        [–]rubberbandnot 29 points30 points  (5 children)

        it's not about being degraded, it's about being desired.

        imagine being extremely hungry, are you going to eat the roasted chicken in front of you with a fork or grab it with your hands and eat it aggressively ? same thing with sex, a bed is just a table with a mattress on it.

        women spend so much time looking pretty because it's in their female nature to do everything to attract men.

        this is the reason why so many women have rape fantasies, the man is so attracted to the woman he can't control himself.

        [–]Xbitz 9 points10 points  (2 children)

        I'm not so sure,

        women respond to being spat on and choked, tied up and called "dirty whore". It arouses them greatly but these are not acts of desire, they are of dominance.

        I think women get off on being dominaated because of hypergamy and status, a low dirty whore being fucked by a high status man

        [–]Opioidus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        More dominant the man the higher his status in the group.

        [–]GarandTheftAvto 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        a bed is just a table with a mattress on it

        Absolutely brilliant observation. The two most important and primary instinctual drives. Food, and sex. One happens on a table, the other a mattress. Great quote.

        [–]HeinousFu_kery 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I'm going to argue that this kind of submission gives reinforcement to their sense of power in the rest of their lives.

        I've known more than a few "powerful" women who absolutely love to be tied up and treated roughly in bed, but it seems to me that once the "you have overwhelming desire for me" thing is done with it's back to the egotistical thing of "I'm so powerful that nobody less than a completely physical person can get with me...I'm just that badass" or some such nonsense. Both of those are about maintaining their illusions about themselves.

        In any event, they're great for fucking but lousy to spend any real time with.

        [–]BluepillProfessor 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Degraded is a pretty strong term in this context. Why is it degrading if a girl tells you she is your slut? Shoving her head in a dirty toilet while you poke her in the butt is degrading. Cumming on her face and slapping her when she tries to wipe it off before going out in public is degrading.

        Picking up your woman, throwing her down, and railing the shit out of her while telling her to say 'I am your slut' is fucking HOT, not degrading. We have come a long ways when the natural order of nature is considered "degrading."

        [–]2asd1100 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        What women call themselfs or try to be has nothing to do with who they are or what they need. It's all social. Make it shamefull to wear pants and the next day you will see more muffins than in the erotic fantasies of a diabetic.

        I like chicks that realise this and I want to praise her for the "at least I'd like to think so" but from experience, I know that even that is meant to get a reaction, to impress those like me that hate arogance.

        What a girl wants is also limited to what is socially acceptable, yesterday it was prudeness, today it's chastity, it's a fashion.

        The major issue comes that very few women can live by modern day norms and actually be happy long term. So what can you do about it, be a alpha be/become someone whos opinion matters for her, that is the only way you can steer her life from the post wall mess society pushes her towards.

        On a somewhat related note, THIS IS WHY UNICORNS DON*T WORK.(to all the guy that dream of chasted traditional women)

        Video version of my comment by eddie murphy

        They do not respect you, they are just polite enough to not tell you to your face what a puts you are(because their local patriarchal "opressive" men would slap them for that). They still care more about their friends rather than you and if you give that type of woman your comitment she trows politeness out and all you have is a wife that will run your relationship according to how society tells her she should and society tells and encourages women to do a lot of horrible shit.

        [–]Ojisan1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It's a total humblebrag. Since I started reading trp I've been very much on the lookout for that stuff lately. I've called out this one girl on her humblebrags a couple of times, and it actually worked better than I expected. I was able to negate her bullshit in a way that also made her laugh at herself and gave her emotions.

        Whereas before, I probably would have just accepted that type of comment as-is, or tried to relate to it in some way, now I can see it more clearly for what it is and use it to my advantage.

        Every day learning, every day getting better. These kinds of trp reminders help a lot.

        [–]BadJokeHour 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        haha I literally laughed out loud reading those comments. women are just ridiculous.

        [–]TRP_James 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I was watching a movie with a plate the other day and decided I wanted a blowjob. So I unzipped my pants, placed my hand behind her neck and helped start her.

        Annnd that's how all of our sexual encounters go. I just go for it and she follows.

        Now that I think about it the only times I've been denied a lay is when I was questioning myself and passively trying for sex.

        [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Though I agree with you, I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

        Mistress Shae Flanigan, a Los Angeles dominatrix, says her clients are “CEOs, high-ranking managers, lawyers and wonderfully brilliant men from all over the business spectrum.”

        Apparently most of the clients of dominatrices are powerful men. Couldn't they be similar to the powerful woman situation? In other words, don't powerful men and women alike crave submission in sexual relationships?

        My argument against my own devil's advocacy:

        In the case of the wealthy CEO paying the dominatrices to command him around, he is being abused non sexually, since the dominatrix does not engage in sexual intercourse with him. In other words, he is being tortured voluntarily. This has nothing to do with what he prefers in a sexual scenario. Also he is in control of the entire torture session and of the dominatrices.

        In the case of the strong women being submissive, the dominant man is engaged in sexual intercourse with her. This is an act of sexual intercourse. All spanking slapping is done with the sexual intercourse. The woman is at the mercy of the man.

        If the CEO in the dominatrix scenario wanted to have sex, he would most definitely prefer to be dominant and hire an escort. If he wanted to be tortured for some mental reason, he would hire a dominatrix.

        No connection can be made between a man's self-torture preference to a man's sexual preference because dominatrix scenario =/= sexual intercourse. Thus powerful men who are in dominatrix scenario can still be dominant in bed.

        Thus powerful men preferring to be dominant in sexual relationships, and powerful/average women being submissive/preferring someone more dominant than themselves still remains.

        I'm curious what other TRP people have as an explanation against my devil's advocacy.

        [–]dancingwithcats 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Most of the 'strong' or 'powerful' women I have known over the years were submissive in the bedroom.

        [–]Median2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I wouldn't say this applies to all women though. I have met girls that seemed shy but were complete animals in the bedroom. I think it actually makes a weird sort of sense that a strong woman would want to be dominated, while a shy woman might be holding back. Just my two cents.

        [–]killua-san 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Well I do think you are forgetting an important part of BDSM: Its roleplaying and not the real world. The submissive is the one holding all the control in a healthy BDSM relationship or during casual BDSM acts. A good dominant is worshipping the ground the submissive is kneelig on, a good dominant have been dominated themselves to know how it feels. The submissive is the one relaxing and the dominant is the one working for it.

        This is why the submissive say it's like taking a break, they just lean back and let the dominant figure out what to play and play it out while the submissive sayis "yes" "no" or "maybe".

        There are a lot of people who live their sexual fetishes all day long, "proper collares" and 24/7's but they are not the representatives of the BDSM community and most regular BDSM'ers view them as a bit mentally ill because they believe these people sought out BDSM because of trauma.

        [–]Entrefut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I love how they come out and say this and then act like any of the decisions in the relationship should be different. I like women who hold respect and demand at the office, but everyone needs a boss and in a healthy relationship. the man has the last say, because if he didn't, she wouldn't want to fuck him anymore. All the dynamics of the relationship spill over into sex.

        The other thing that I find funny is the idea of "taking a break." What a joke, honestly I find working under people is more stressful than being in charge for me, because I don't have to deal with people telling me to do things when I know they are wrong.

        [–]alfabro91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It's really difficult for me to see women as "strong" or "dominant" when I know I could overpower 99.999% of them with one hand.