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[–]welpcomma 123 points124 points  (17 children)

Best quote from the article imo:

"The young men who are struggling the most are conflicted because they are operating under the assumption that feminists are arguing in good faith," he says, "When in fact they are engaged in a zero-sum struggle for sexual, social, political and economic status—and they're winning."

This was my problem for years. Couldn't get it through my head that it's all just snake oil. Thanks to places like TRP, I finally have.

[–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Yeah, I thought all the talking points were real.

I'd have a girl naked in bed, and I'd be consistently asking her permission to go further, which predictably never worked. Girls absolutely confused me.

Then after a girl destroyed me, I got into PUA, and suddenly everything started to make sense.

[–]TakeYourSoma1 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It's almost awful in a sense. I've been incorporating TRP more in my daily life and it's interesting. Women do seem more receptive to me. Men seem to respect me more. It's a bit uncomfortable because I'm so used to being the milquetoast, passive, "nice guy." Not because I thought that was the way into a girl's pants but because I just naturally am like that.

To realize that the world is not as receptive to "niceness" as it is to boldness and some self-centered thinking is a rude wake-up call.

[–]rockumsockumrobots 32 points33 points  (7 children)

It took me a while to figure this out too. Feminism is just the unbridled, unchecked machinations of the female mind, when given a speaking platform and power.

Just like social justice and PC/Critical Theory, feminism is a parasitic ideology that uses manipulation and pandering to emotions as the means to it's end. It is the embodiment of the feminine mind and is naturally self destructive and non-progressive; which is ironic.

[–]heist_of_saint_graft 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Correct, and its primary mechanism of attack -- social shaming -- is exactly what women use instead of their fists.

[–]Year_Of_The_Horse_ 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Dude. Men argue because they want to turn the other person to his point of view. Women argue because they want to punish whoever is disagreeing with them.

[–]1tombreck2 198 points199 points  (47 children)

In college one of my english professors gave everyone a random number that was unknown to him that we would use when submitting papers.

One day I went to office hours and saw a line of girls from class there to complain about their scores.

I've been told to do more and more to keep a woman. But nobody's told me what they're doing to keep me.

I've never seen that written outside of the manosphere

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 122 points123 points  (6 children)

gave everyone a random number that was unknown to him that we would use when submitting papers.

...This should be standardized, it's fucking brilliant.

[–]rcglinsk 45 points46 points  (3 children)

It's how every final exam I took in law school worked. Each semester new exam ID number.

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (2 children)

yeah I think it might even be ABA standard. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same for other professional degrees as well

[–]KarYotypeStereotype 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At Vanderbilt University in the philosophy department, we wrote with pseudonyms that changed each time. Same idea. I always used a female name. Can't say with any certainty, but I'm pretty sure it netted me a few points.

[–]ThisIsMyFloor 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It is standard in Stockholms University at least. When writing the exam you get a number and the one grading the exams doesn't know which number belongs to which student and after the grading the exams are given to the one who takes care of the numbers.

[–]TomHicks 3 points4 points  (10 children)

In college one of my english professors gave everyone a random number that was unknown to him that we would use when submitting papers. One day I went to office hours and saw a line of girls from class there to complain about their scores.

I don't understand.. ELI5 please?

[–]liverkiller 28 points29 points  (8 children)

If all students are given random numbers then the person who is doing the grading has no idea if they are boy or girl.

Studies have been done showing that girls receive on average higher grades simply because their is a "girl bias" in academics and boys receive lower grades because of a opposite bias. However if the person doing the grading has no idea if the student is male or female this bias is removed from the equation and the grading is done with a possible bias. A more even playing field.

Ergo, the guy went to his professors office and saw a line of girls who have always enjoyed this bias but are now angry it has been removed by random number grading. So, they are there complaining about overly harsh grades. Something that males have had to endure since birth.

Get it?

[–]TomHicks 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I understand the girl-bias bit, I'm just having trouble figuring out how the system works. If he assigns them random numbers, he must have it all written down somewhere right? Is it just to hide the name from his gaze when he grades the paper?

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Essentially, yes. When I ran into the system there was a different number for each test, and only 2 tests total. No opportunity to accidentally learn the associations

[–]1tombreck2 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Girls can flirt with their professors to get better grades. However, once the papers are anonymous then the girls were angry that their entitlement tactics no longer worked

[–][deleted] 78 points79 points  (30 children)

Guys opting out of the game

I think this is the single biggest factor in men checking out, more than the economy or feminism or porn. They just don’t know how to do it. The social skills for interacting with the opposite sex in a productive manner are just not being taught to the new generation – it’s been replaced with a lot of “just be yourself” bullshit – and the structures to funnel good dating prospects between the sexes don’t exist – they’ve been replaced with turbo-charged meat markets where sex is on the table from the word go.

Young men today have a tactical problem and a moral problem when it comes to meeting girls. They just flat-out don’t know how to do it, and they don’t know if they should want to.

The skills weren’t being trained when I was young for sure, and we’re seeing the fruits of it. I grew up in the era where the active, forward nature of male sexuality itself was criminalized from youth onward. This caused a great period of questioning for many young men who were not born with the charm that makes it OK to be a sexual man. The sexual marketplace is in the thick of a divergence, with attractive naturals getting the lion’s share of women’s attention from a very young age, and the rest of them falling further and further behind as the old expectations of mutual commitment are torn apart and the scene goes fully feral.

Regarding dating structures, earlier generations and societies had governors in place to prevent the sort of “sexual hoarding” we have seen in the last 20 years. This took the form of strictly- or mildly-enforced assortive mating, the natural distinctions of class structure, the overwhelming expectation that people would marry off fairly early and thus had to prioritize attracting a selecting a decent long-term mate, and the teaching of basic skills like dancing and dressing yourself properly. Even school dances and socials where taking a date was expected provided some teaching structure, forcing people to go through the motions of finding (or arranging) somebody who would say yes.

I don’t mean to make it sound like everything was great in the past. There were plenty of problems and people left out. But it certainly seems there was more structure, and so everyone had a much clearer idea what the process was and what their options were.

It’s interesting to hear some people say that they’re seeing more and more guys checking out, while others say they are seeing more and more approach-machine wannabe PUAs trawling the nightclubs and bars. As I tried to point out in my Reciprocal Scarcity posts, economics and sociology are fields of paradox, where seemingly-contradictory things can coexist and be simultaneously true. We can be seeing an uptick in the prevalence of game among a thin but visible cohort, while at the same time seeing a large pocket of borderline men crossing the border and checking out of the game entirely.

Like MikeCF, I’m not criticizing or judging these guys. I’ve been them at times in my life. But it’s too bad, because a lot of them could have a happy life that includes the comforts of women, but they never got a chance when they most needed it.

Yes, men do leave the market

"I just get the feeling there aren't any men anymore. Not just in dance class, but where are all the men from all the various social activities? They make up half the population, but I can't find any single guys to date. They can't all be married, even my female friends are running into this mysterious disappearance of men. Do they like stop trying after a while and just stay home?"

And that's when I realized what she was asking.

"Do you mean, do men give up and don't bother trying to find women any more?" I clarified.

She said, "Yes. So do they?"

"Yes" I answered.

She was somewhat surprised at my response. She said, "so they just give up? They don't go out anymore? Don't they want to find somebody? Anybody?!"

"Yeah, more or less."

"That's crazy! How do they ever expect to find anybody?"

I replied, "Well...they don't."

[–]wakingslowdiver 50 points51 points  (7 children)

sad. third wave feminism is bad for woman too. 60 percent of college graduates are female where i live. that means 20 percent will never find a man. cause they sure as shit dont down date.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Sucks to be them. Higher education is a turnoff to me. I'd rather date a 20 year old girl who's a cashier and can cook and clean and takes care of me.

[–]synadmin 27 points28 points  (3 children)

It would actually be 33 percent in your example.

100 total

60 female

40 male

40 females will pair with 40 males leaving 20 females without a pair.

20/60 = 33% of women graduates without a "suitable" man.

Obviously that would only apply if everyone stayed in their own little bubble where you live but I think everyone understands the point your making. With gender quotas favoring girls education over boys, the proportion you mentioned is becoming common across the country and there is bound to be women who will never find a man they can be happy with. As you said, they don't date down.

[–]Meto1183 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Its like basic economics though, where every incomplete trade causes a loss to the overall "market."

To change your example once again:

100 Total

60 Female

40 Male

5 Males Drop out. Give up. Gone.

35 females pair with 35 males.

25 females are left without a pair, and 5 men are as well.

25/60=41% women have no suitable man.

and

5/40=12.5% men have no suitable woman.

So every guy that drops out, on average, hurts the population even more by lowering women's chance overall and individually dropping his chance to 0, statistically, lowering mens chances too.

[–]vrumpt 17 points18 points  (14 children)

Yup. Yup. Yup. And its all bullshit and yes it's draining on the body and mind to get rejected again and again just because we're lost in the ocean without knowing how to fish.

I struggle to swallow TRP and while I haven't given up at all too many nights it's just easier to stay in and jerk off and play PS4.

[–]ErrandAlchemist 12 points13 points  (8 children)

your emotions and dissatisfaction that could drive you to self improvement have been bought off.

[–]porcia918 1 point2 points  (2 children)

But know that even with inaction you are contributing to society in a good way - by not helping a bozo reproduce herself.

[–]monsieurhire2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Do you mean, do men give up and don't bother trying to find women any more?" I clarified."

The male sex drive goes down from age 16. For women, it peaks at 35. This always struck me as tragic. If men don't find someone when they are young and relatively horny, they lose interest and invest more in non-sexual pursuits.

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

man... thinking about this now... in this context. ( I always thought it was groups of friends going out to the club and not talking to anyone else) it's really a mind blower but SO TRUE.

i mean, to find anyone to go out with on a regular basis, I had to search.

[–]4xw3ll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For me its kind of the opposite. Hope this does not sound like a complaint. But wherever i am (school, events, parties), there are a majority of guys, who probably dont get laid. And perhaps that there are few guys, the famous 20% who get to hang out with the hot girls. I only see hot girls in public transportation and thats it.

[–]rptastic 297 points298 points  (4 children)

My favorite quote (from a commenter):

"25% of women in the United States are on antidepressants or other psychoactive drugs. This statistic is frightening because it means the other 75% is walking around untreated."

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 547 points548 points x4 (211 children)

And we'll discover that the real victims of modern feminism are, of course, women themselves, who have been left lonelier and less satisfied than they have ever been.

I find it hilarious how much of the article basically outlines how the typical woman treats the average man like a pile of fucking shit, and then concludes that in their hostile ignorant arrogance, they end up being the real victims due to loneliness.

Men always want to go to bat for women, and that shit fucks me off. It must be genetic or some shit because I see men in TRP doing that shit too "don't be mad at tuh womenz brah, u just bitter OK? I get LOADSA PUSSY, you gotta lift and man up brah, stop being bitter brah" I get fucking tired of that retarded trite dumb testosterone monkeys spit. Fucking retards who lift a bit of metal and fuck a bit of pussy who are totally ignorant to what's going on, but think they're a boss because they can get laid and are constantly high on fucking TREN and a post workout buzz. Just because you lift and get laid, doesn't mean society isn't fucked up. Their opinions on life and women are basically some retarded flow chart:

  • Do you lift brah? (Yes/No) No? - If not go lift brah

  • Do you get laid brah? (Yes/No?) - If not go tinder brah.

Tinder not working? You need to cut brah. Already doing both? Then there's no problem, you be trippin' brah! GYM AND TINDER FO LYFE!

See these fucking idiots think being jacked and getting laid is all you need to be fulfilled in life, and that's fucking bullshit. Men outside the manosphere could collectively go lift tomorrow and it wouldn't change the legal system, it wouldn't get rid of feminism, it wouldn't fix the fucked up education system or the shit economy and it wouldn't give men game/social awareness. It wouldn't change a sweet damn thing for the overall condition of men as outlined in this fucking article.

For some reason, there are a sub-section of men who want to go to bat for women, and the more pussy your typical man gets, the more he thinks "hey you know what, women are fine, I have great times with them, you must be the problem BRAAAAHHHH ain't nothing wrong with women BRAAAAAAAH you're the problem BRAAAAAAAAAAH." They don't wanna explore really what the fuck is up. It's just the guys fault. It's close-minded bullshit. Fuck exploring shit, and god forbid blaming a woman, they are poor innocent wittle victimz and as a man, it's all your fault if she's a cunt! The old hypoagent-hyperagent bait and switch gets annoying (men take blame for everything, women get blamed for nothing.)

Look, if we're not blaming women FOR ANYTHING, and NOTHING IS THEIR FAULT even if they're HUGE CUNTS. Then we can't treat them as equals. We can't respect them. We must see them as inferior children (hence the sidebar post "she's the most responsible teenager in the room")

If we treat them as equals with agency, then we have to hold them to account and stop fucking blaming men for women acting like cunts. You, you vest wearing juicing fuck, need to stop telling men they are fucking bitter because they have genuine rational grievances with bitches. You need to stop looking down on men who don't follow your self-prescribed juice/lift/tinder lifestyle, shut the fuck up gloating/going to bat for women and realise you're a fucking idiot so high on juice and pussy that your opinion amounts to jack fucking shit. You're a dumb bitch-enabling ape looking for his next orgasm, that's all you are. You may physically epitomise masculinity, but mentally you're as bad as the fucking mangina feminist David Futrelle

Please, pick a fucking side, because I'm tired of the bait-and-switch in play that is used whenever it is beneficial to serve the plight of women. Men taking the blame for shit outside their realm of control is, in my opinion, full warp speed male hamster.

Women always need the #1 spot in the victim Olympics don't they? And men and women collectively enable that bullshit mentality. Society needs to figure the fuck out whether it wants to treat women as agentless puppies that need to be fed and watered all chained up in their kitchens, or to treat them as fucking people with equal agency, which means stop going to fucking bat for them and validating their bullshit with "as the man, it's your fault she's a cunt, you should have used your super man powers to stop her being a cunt. You should have treated her in such an ALFALLLLLFA way that the very base of her nature changed and caused her to change into what you wanted her to be. SHE IS THE WAY YOU MAKE HER. If you were a real man, she wouldn't be a cunt." Because you know, the fact she has daddy issues and feminism taught her that anything with a dick is a symbolic incarnation of Satan is irrelevant, it's ALL YOUR FAULT if it don't work with these bitches. And so the masculinity shaming and blaming continues in it's epic as ever fashion.

LOOK: both MEN AND WOMEN are sick right now, in fact the whole damn society is. Women are too mentally violent and feral, the worst of their femininity is running amok. Men are too confused, passive and directionless. That's where TRP comes in, but men should only be taking responsibility for their own destinies, not blaming themselves for the inevitable theatrics that come as part of the package in dealing with your average day loony toon of a woman. I never subscribed to the "as a man, it's your fault she's a cunt IF she's a cunt mantra," and I never will. Some women are just fucking cunts, plain and simple, and you're an idiot if you think you can make poison drinkable, or tame the untameable serpent. It takes a whole fucking society to bring bitches in line, and society has failed all of us.

This whole, she's got no agency when she's playing her victim card, but she's as equal as you with as much agency as you when she needs representation and respect is fucking bullshit. The mixed messages are what really fucks shit up. And that shit really fucks up young men, men in general and the sheer prospect of an LTR for a man. It's such a head fuck that I understand why a lot of guys think "fuck this shit!" and look for escapes. I don't fucking blame 'em, they're doing what they perceive to be the rational thing, they just want to be happy. Most men are simple like that. They don't need all the head games and politics that comes with being in a relationship or even associating with women nowadays.

Anyway, intentionally vitriolic and provocative rant aside, I thought that was a really good piece. But women the real victims? Fucking please. 15-30 is a non-stop party for them. After that they either experience what young guys did, but the girl world equivalent, or they find a beta bucks, get dicked by one of the last remaining alphas this effeminate society has, and then fucking cheat on the beta and swindle him through divorce/child support etc. Which I'm sure some self-assured cunt on here will reply with "that's great for me BRAH, MORE PUSSY FOR ME BRAH!"

Anyway, great share bsutan, really enjoyed the read.

I hope I pissed a few people off who read this, you gym rat cunts know who the fuck you are. A man with the body of a demigod and the mind of a piss ant is a caricature of masculinity, you cunts make me sick. If you lift, you better fucking read too (its the mental equivalent of lifting) and cut out the chest puffing "everything is a man's fault" bullshit.

Edit: typos and blah blah. Also, thanks for gold. Funny how rants are typically so well received despite their total lack of sophistication.

[–]TheOneTrueMagnet 38 points39 points  (10 children)

For some reason, there are a sub-section of men who want to go to bat for women

I would actually call it a vast majority of men. I actually feel that there is a genetic/instinctual component to it. Add onto that the enormous amount of social conditioning to defer to women, and it is to the point that a man who did not at least have the knee-jerk response of protecting women would be part of a tiny minority.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 36 points37 points  (2 children)

and it is to the point that a man who did not at least have the knee-jerk response of protecting women would be part of a tiny minority.

I feel like such a snowflake right now. Haha, banter aside, I think you're right on the money with this:

I actually feel that there is a genetic/instinctual component to it. Add onto that the enormous amount of social conditioning to defer to women

The protector/provider instinct is being abused much to man's own undoing.

[–]Entrefut 12 points13 points  (1 child)

The protector/provider instinct is being abused much to man's own undoing.

It's sad, but the only thing worth protecting at this point is ourselves.

[–]symko 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can live with this. I'll live knowing that I'm protecting me. Women have no fucking clue how to protect themselves and are overdrawing on the false rape card like there's no tomorrow. It's free fall for them! Next stop the GROUND.

[–]Baylien2 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Captain save a hoe takes on many forms

[–]lordofthejelly 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I actually feel that there is a genetic/instinctual component to it.

That's true, and has a simple explanation in my view: for millions of years, tribes where men went to bat for women outdid tribes where men didn't...men going to bat for women = more women surviving and reproducing = that tribe able to kick it's neighbor's ass based on numbers.

[–]JackGetsIt 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Which is such a contrast with the past where women just couldn't get away with the shit they do now because men would call them out. I also think many men today have just tuned out. They work, come home watch sports/sitcoms, do more work on the weekend for their wives girlfriends then go back to work. Women spend all day engaging other women in discussions on relationships and what the newest approach to men is and men talk about sports at work and well work. Men are just not tuned into their own plight.

[–]Luckyluke23 7 points8 points  (0 children)

yeah, but most of them are in relationships they don't want to be in

[–]foldpak111 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I understand the biology behind it, but society conditions boys to take it to a cringe level. It's like I take a girl out and theres a secret white knight squad ready to attack from the shadows the moment she doesn't have a smile on her face.

[–]Squabbles123 92 points93 points  (20 children)

I think the point of that line is "Women are fucking it up for themselves", which is totally on point.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 71 points72 points  (18 children)

Oh definitely. They're saying "fuck men" in youth and "having it all" (getting paid and laid with no commitment) and in exchange they're getting diddly fuck when they're post-wall. That, or a beta who doesn't even meet 1/10th of their insane expectations. Thus women are eternally unhappy, what's new eh?

[–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I think women have forever been unhappy, but back 100 years ago, they knew they could get a consolation prize by getting a guaranteed beta husband (due to society where marriage rates were high).

Now, they don't even know if they will get the consolation prize, which pisses them off more.

[–]through_a_ways 24 points25 points  (13 children)

Women have to be inferior to be happy. Feminism, from a woman's perspective, is like candy: Feels good, and you think you like it, but the healthy stuff is far better for you (and tastes better too, once you let go of your unrealistic flavor expectations)

Patriarchy (like 19th century and prior) is like the parent that forbids you from having candy, and meshes the lesson into your head so that you continue to avoid bad food once the restriction has lifted.

[–]JackGetsIt 7 points8 points  (12 children)

Women have to be inferior to be happy

Even after firmly swallowing the red pill this is the hardest thing for me to grasp.

[–]1grendalor 34 points35 points  (9 children)

I'd rephrase it as "need to be with a man whom they see as clearly superior to themselves" to be happy. They want truly superior men, not just that they are subjected.

The ultimate fantasy of many women is that they are strong, accomplished, independent, sexy, etc., but they are swept off their feet by a man who is even more accomplished, strong, independent, sexy, such that she feels safe with him because he is superior to her. That's the fantasy.

A proxy for it is subjecting women, which subsidizes the status of all men artificially, and is kind of what was traditionally done. But women hated this, often, because they knew that in many cases the superiority was fake and subsidized, and that the men they were put together with were actually inferior. In other words, it worked socially because it was a subsidy that placed the thumbs on the status scale in favor of men, which upped the status of average men, and this was enforced socially and legally. But that doesn't mean women didn't see through it.

No, what women want is actually superior men -- that is what hypergamy wants. The trouble is that this can never work in a stable social order because there are few such men by definition. That leads back to the subsidization of status option which traditionalism had. The only other option is for all men to become actually superior (inherently, and not by means of subsidy) -- which will never happen, by definition.

So, in the meantime, we individual men work to become the inherently superior men of our age, and leave the rest of it to history, really.

[–]JackGetsIt 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Wow. Thank you for this thoughtful analysis. It's really eye opening for me. When I said I struggled to grasp the idea I really meant that I agree with it but it seems downright insane on its face. However your reasoning is very sound.

A proxy for it is subjecting women, which subsidizes the status of all men artificially.

This seems to be exactly what a lot of Islamic societies are doing to women. If all women are confined, controlled and covered up men's value goes through the roof because the essentially unlock, to an extent, a women's relative freedom. She has many more freedoms as a wife so men's status is artificially bumped. In addition she is less likely to leave a marriage because legally she can't in most circumstances.

Your next point is we only have two options to re-balance society: a return to traditionalism (which is near impossible at this point in the western world) or all men become actually superior (which is impossible by definition). So what's the solution? Maybe there isn't one? Maybe we need to just embrace the inequality and except as men that no matter how alpha we become there will always be bigger alpha's lurking and the best we can do is avoid them? Control our own circles of influence? It's a dismal prospect but sticking our head in the sand isn't going to help either.

Edit: Also, should we actively attempt to keep women feeling inferior in LTR's??

[–]1grendalor 12 points13 points  (0 children)

So what's the solution? Maybe there isn't one? Maybe we need to just embrace the inequality and except as men that no matter how alpha we become there will always be bigger alpha's lurking and the best we can do is avoid them? Control our own circles of influence? It's a dismal prospect but sticking our head in the sand isn't going to help either.

There isn't a big picture solution without a social reset, and that isn't happening anytime soon. So, there really isn't much point focusing on the bigger picture, other than to understand the current situation more clearly in order to determine how to best manage ourselves in it. It isn't going back to traditionalism, and it isn't going to be the case that all men are superior alpha males. Key is, once we understand that, working with it and maximizing our own situation, understanding the constraints. In the near future I see more betas, more fapping when virtual reality sex comes along, more men dropping out, preferring fapping to VR and so on. But that's not my problem. My problem is me, and how I get what I want given the messed up context.

Also, should we actively attempt to keep women feeling inferior in LTR's??

Yes. But the way to do that is by being superior to her, such that her inferiority is obvious, understood and grasped by her and accepted, and never forced upon her. It has to flow naturally from who you are -- you are a superior man, you are superior to her, she knows it, likes it and so on, and you never have to tell her that, or force her to accept it or whatever. You're just superior by being who you are, and that is that.

If that ever fails in an LTR, you're going into a trouble phase, because when women really start to feel that their man is not superior to them, they don't go into a "we are equal" phase, but rather an "I am superior to my man" phase. This makes the woman feel very uneasy, unsafe, and thinking she needs a better man. It doesn't always unravel overnight, but unless that trend is checked and reversed, it will unravel. A woman will not stay with a man who she sees as inferior to herself in any way, and no rings or commitments will change that in 2014.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorDemonspawn 11 points12 points  (1 child)

a return to traditionalism (which is near impossible at this point in the western world)

It's inevitable, actually. We will return to traditionalism when the system collapses due to ignoring natural law.

[–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That's where it's going, yes. It's also a grand irony that it's feminists pushing for all this social change that's going to backfire and result in true patriarchy down the road when this all comes full circle.

[–]BluepillProfessor 4 points5 points  (1 child)

should we actively attempt to keep women feeling inferior in LTR's??

YES! Ideally you should actively attempt to keep yourself feeling SUPERIOR but if you have to do that by making her feel inferior (because so many of these Facebook junkies are arrogant bitches who need to be knocked down a peg) then that is what you have to do if you want what passes for her "love."

[–]1independentmale 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They want truly superior men

Right, and what's the first thing they do when they catch one? Try to break him down, shit test him into oblivion and turn him into a beta. If she succeeds, she looses all attraction to him and finds a new alpha to fuck.

The takeaway is nothing we don't already know: Hold your motherfucking frame, dread, abundance mentality and never acquiesce. Be the rock. Be unmovable. Be willing to walk away and let her go at any time, knowing to the very depth of your soul that you can upgrade to younger & hotter with ease if shit goes south.

I'm at the point in my life where I love my LTR and want to keep her forever, but at the same time I almost look forward to a break up so I can play with other females. As a result I am unmoved by her attempts to make me the beta bucks she thinks she wants but really doesn't.

[–]1johnnight 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not inferior. Subordinated.

Not happy. Secure.

Women have to be subordinated to a superior man to feel secure (and happy in the security).

That's also the appeal of dictatorships. The dictator takes the responsibility for the general well-being, so that the people (men too!) have to worry less. (see Erich Fromm)

[–]BluepillProfessor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Women don't want to be "inferior" but they want the man they are fucking to be "superior" to them.

[–]neilmcc 10 points11 points  (0 children)

How can you blame young women getting raised in such a toxic environment? The west abandoned its traditions because it was infiltrated by hostile elites that want to bleed us dry.

It is good that women act out because they are the canaries in the coal mine. Just on practical grounds, I don't see how ideas like saying it is women's fault is productive (I leave shaming to the ones who enforce morality and good sense which should, and only effectively could, be educators, family [particularly mother/grandmother] and by their peers) or true. How could it be true? The average 20 something woman was born in the 90s long after feminism was put into motion. It is absurd to blame them. And one of TRP truths is understanding it isn't in a woman's nature to guide the ship.

Children aren't being born because men aren't sexy anymore because men who are patriarchal are sexy. Women like the outlaw because our environment is lawless. Women are more natural creatures whereas men transfer their traditions through knowledge. As a result, our reaction was somewhat delayed. TRP chooses to focus on a subset of manly things but it remains a caricature as you say because it is trying to appeal to the left-liberal circus they've been indoctrinated by.

It takes a whole fucking society to bring bitches in line, and society has failed all of us.

The radical individualist mindset, twisted through a false conception of macho, that you described is failing to acknowledge that man is social and as such, can work with other men. Modern men have had their ethnic ties, sense of belonging all demolished and their traditions wrecked. Of course they think as they do! We are back at the point to create new traditions but with science and widespread information. We know patriarchy wasn't some oppressive conspiracy but a product of the natural order.

Alpha is completely contextual status. Today's alpha must be as regressed as the society it is part of. Even then, casual sex must take place under a cocktail of drugs and alcohol and constant reassurances by a toxic society to override a woman's good sense because patriarchal norms are just as much an aspect of masculinity as femininity.

There are people and groups to blame for this and we should remember their names but it isn't women. In the meantime, solutions must be made by men and if they do not act, there is no one who will.

[–]_JustKnight_ 47 points48 points  (8 children)

I fucking love you. You truly feel for the disadvantaged in this fucked up society.

I always find it strange when despite the info available here, the fucking moronic masses readily take the white knight position. Despite knowing what cunts women in this system become "you must learn to love em". Get the fuck out.

Fuck yes we're bitter and for good fucking reason.

[–]robotghow 31 points32 points  (4 children)

Yes, there's a good reason to be bitter. There's also a better reason not to be: It gets you nowhere. Part of being a man is being pragmatic. Are you angry at the weather for raining? Are you angry at a stray dog for barking? No, you accept these things at they are, and society is yet another huge force that for the most part is out of your control. So will you be forever bitter towards it? It would be much better for you to accept that it will sometimes rain. Just buy an umbrella, and make sure your dog doesn't bark.

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (1 child)

and the flipside is, objectively assessing the potential outcomes, many men rightly choose to opt out. This too is pragmatic.

[–]robotghow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There is nothing wrong with opting out, but holding resentment will eat at your very core. You have to interact with women: Some of them work with you, some of them are married to your friends, some of them are police officers, judges, bank-tellers, etc. Bitterness will cloud your judgement and lead you to non-optimal choices.

If you want to opt-out of marriage, or relationships at all, that's fine. I'm all for MGTOW (as my username implies), but be happy about your choice, and don't resent women for trying for as much as they can get. In that fight you are vastly outnumbered.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You truly feel for the disadvantaged in this fucked up society.

I do. I've seen a lot of fucked up shit and had a lot of time to meditate on it. Shit's pretty deplorable.

I fucking love you.

Right back at ya man.

[–]MagnanimousGenius 30 points31 points  (3 children)

Even if we observe that feminism is the spawn of economic cycles, I still highly doubt that during the 1920's (existence of Flapper Girls, Women's suffragettes) that men would have so easily rolled over and allowed women their victimhood like we do know.

Men outside the manosphere could collectively go lift tomorrow and it wouldn't change the legal system, it wouldn't get rid of feminism, it wouldn't fix the fucked up education system or the shit economy and it wouldn't give men game/social awareness. It wouldn't change a sweet damn thing for the overall condition of men as outlined in this fucking article.

Exactly. Feminists are obsessive, toxic cunts who rally together and stamp their feet until they get what they want: we end up with gender quota laws, biased rape laws, biased pay gap laws and the list goes on.

It's difficult educating other men to see through the toxic vitriol that feminism is, but a lot of the time when they do come around they'll still go "yeah but it doesn't affect me" as if there's nothing a bunch of whiny cunts could actually do to have more of a negative impact on men other than complaining about them.

Men should value solidarity more and push back.

[–]JackGetsIt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Men should value solidarity more and push back.

This is correct. It's a little like the bucket of crabs that pulls the one that attempts to climb out. I actually set in a U.S. women's history course that towards the end of the unit attempted to describe third wave feminism. My professor pretty accurately explained that men have not united the same way women did. Men have not used solidarity to accomplish their goals. individually men have a hard time reaching out for help because it's seen as weakness by men and women alike.

[–]brotherjustincrowe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The trouble is the feminist/beta enabler voting bloc making already intrusive big government bigger and more intrusive. And too many goddamn lawyers.

[–]Neo-ReactionaryHarry 58 points59 points  (7 children)

You put into words one of the absolute biggest problems that the manosphere/society faces and that is enabling of the female by everyone. I absolutely am sick of those gym rat guys saying "just lift and tinder" shit because at the end of the day some men are going to still be fucking ugly and awkward. Of course when you spell this out to most gym rats they explain how it's more than that, how they're the ones in charge, similar to how prisoners can be "in charge" of a prison is how I look at it.

[–]JackGetsIt 8 points9 points  (0 children)

absolute biggest problems that the manosphere/society faces and that is enabling of the female by everyone

I'd like to see a larger redpill post on this. It's a huge problem.

[–]Jaegar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

or lunatics "in charge" of an asylum

[–]aww40 17 points18 points  (8 children)

I agree with everything you said. Now tell me how do you fix it? Not a general, "How does one fix the current mess?" but YOU, how do YOU fix it?

I'm not being accusatory and I'm not defending the other side when I ask this. There is a serious threat to simply being a man and this needs to be remedied. We come here and we bitch and moan about the current situation, but what are we actively doing to fix the situation. Isn't this our role as men, as leaders of our communities?

No, we instead opt out. It's easier and the chips are stacked against us. "Think as you want, but act like others." That gets spewed here time and time again. Work within the system, carve out something for yourself in this life. That would be my only criticism of what you wrote above; You're condemning the guys who haven't the patience or the time to take up a great crusade to address the problems that are being perpetuated by feminazi's towards men. Also, it's dangerous to speak out against the status quo, and in this game of power, (which is all life is) we'd be remiss if we didn't identify the inherent dangers of speaking out against feminism.

We've identified a problem at large, so the next rational step would be to fix said problem. Moving forward, I think we should start initiating more discussions geared towards fixing the great disparity between the rights of women and man because men are getting a raw deal.

I also ask YOU specifically in this question because I'm subbed to your blog, I enjoy what you write and I am very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 29 points30 points  (3 children)

but YOU, how do YOU fix it?

I would have to write an essay to answer that, if this question is tantamount to "how can we make it worth it to get men to reintegrate into society?"

A LOT would have to change. And at this stage, it's all intellectual masturbation. Dropping out is pragmatic, and I don't blame men for deciding "to fucking hell with it all." We're at the stage where we're all trying to carve out our own idea of happiness in effectively what is the carcass of a decaying civilization.

I'm subbed to your blog, I enjoy what you write and I am very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Glad you enjoy it. I usually Reddit a rant every once in a while just to stir the pot and rustle some jimmies, but I tend not to post rants to the blog.

Other rants, if rant reading is your thing:

/r/TheRedPill/comments/2ik6et/there_is_a_new_masculinity_wherein_women_betas/cl2w0ao

/r/TheRedPill/comments/2gqt8l/what_ive_learned_from_the_women_in_my_family/cklqpii

[–]aww40 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I would have to write an essay to answer that, if this question is tantamount to "how can we make it worth it to get men to reintegrate into society?"

Yeah in a sense with an emphasis on creating a safe space for men to come back into. Imagine a boxer thats been retired for 5 years and wants to come back into the game. You gotta give him a couple of easy fights before you throw him back into the mix proper. Thats what I view the current state of manhood in this country/west. Create male dominated spaces for men to learn/re-learn masculinity. I'm an idealist (perhaps a naive one) in terms of community and family and would like to see this transition.

Other rants, if rant reading is your thing:

lol I like a good rant every now and then. Good reads. Keep up the good work brother.

[–]AriMerman 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It's very subtle fix. Firstly, the whole discussion is 'I am not my sister's keeper'....women being fucked up is not for men to fix. Their circus. Their problem. We disengage and let god sort them out. The whole issue I strongly contend with, the premise is feminist. Aka we are the cause of their problems and are obligated to furnish a solution. Hell no. No way. No where. No how. The point being argued is that men call it like they see it and enforce the high standards, judge womens bullshit as bullshit and stop pussy footing, and pandering enabling and being tender and gentle. An abusive woman is fair game to be abused. End of story. Match and meet intensity levels but don't escalate to physical violence. I watched my dad walk on eggshells around my mom, in sheer terror of her wild, untamed, abusive and unloving aspects. That she was loving and hard working doesn't justify the abuse. It doesn't make it better. The last gal that hit me I charged her successfully. The worst double standard when it comes to justice, is the one we refuse to enforce on women. The alpha is one who imposes his values on those in his sphere of influence. I like to do my absolute god damn best to enforce my highest values on everyone I know, in the most joyful way possible. But the second shit gets crazy I will call a woman out, nowadays before I call out a man. Because no one is doing it that way. Men get browbeaten and women get listened to. Women get an opportunity to be understood and positively resolve the issue. Men are punished for what they didn't know. Fuck all those attitudes. Fuck the stupid behaviors that are maladaptive and abusive regardless whether it is male or female. But especially woman lack being held accountable. So I do that because its the thing that's missing most

[–]Overkillengine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The whole issue I strongly contend with, the premise is feminist. Aka we are the cause of their problems and are obligated to furnish a solution.

B-but if they don't shove all agency onto men via abdication of responsibility, women might actually be expected to grow up and be decent human beings more often!

That's hard. Like Math.

/s

[–]Tqbfjotlds 8 points9 points  (1 child)

but what are we actively doing to fix the situation. Isn't this our role as men, as leaders of our communities?

This community - even by just talking about this stuff is doing a ton to fix the situation. Once there are enough men who read this and see the world for what it is, they will not allow women to get away with what they have done so far.

[–]aww40 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I think in addition to what we discuss here, we should start trying to create male spaces in our communities. Not to talk about TRP, but just a place to be men in general. The effect I've seen male spaces have on men is astounding. Theres something powerful in the bonds between men and brotherhood.

Only problem is they're getting harder and harder to create.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I lift religiously (as all men should), and I also agree about 100% with what you are saying. There's so much more at work than just "lifting 'n slutzzz" in the world, and the preachers of hedonism are missing the point entirely.

In times of true crisis, the paper alphas that put on a clown act to get pussy will give way to real alphas, men of strength, vision and conscience who remake the world as they see fit. Check out Ulfheim, for example. These guys have eschewed red pill hedonism for thoughtful, masculine brotherhood.

All this said, you 100% still need to lift, you still need to do BJJ, krav maga, boxing or muay thai or something. Becoming built like a linebacker, strong like a powerlifter, and tough like an MMA fighter buttresses wits and knowledge, it doesn't turn you into a manslut alfalfa bro.

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorWhisper 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Men always want to go to bat for women, and that shit fucks me off. It must be genetic or some shit because I see men in TRP doing that shit too "don't be mad at tuh womenz brah, u just bitter OK? I get LOADSA PUSSY, you gotta lift and man up brah, stop being bitter brah" I get fucking tired of that retarded trite dumb testosterone monkeys spit. Fucking retards who lift a bit of metal and fuck a bit of pussy who are totally ignorant to what's going on, but think they're a boss because they can get laid and are constantly high on fucking TREN and a post workout buzz.

This is known as Argumentum ad AMOG.

"Do you have a problem? Well, sir, I do not have that problem, because I am awesome. Therefore, your REAL problem is that you are JUST NOT AWESOME ENOUGH. Now, shut up, or by continuing to complain, admit that you are not as awesome as me."

But society has a problem when you have to be awesome in order to avoid having a problem. If your "merely average" people live sucky lives, then your society is failing.

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exception: when this is the relative case, yet the absolute measure of ability keeps increasing, this is evolutionary progress. Note: not all evolution actually leads to improvement.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I think there's a middle ground here. Full disclosure, while I'm not a roided freak, I'm a gym rat with musculature.

It's fully possible to be one of the 'winners' of the sexual marketplace and still recognize the system for being as fucked as it is. I, for one, recognize it probably better than most; my backyard here in Toronto has been fucked 10 different ways by progressive feminism.

Whose fault is that? Well, feminists. Both women and effeminate, low-testosterone men. A larger population than analytic men. You know better than most people how irrational, how utterly incapable of logical thinking women are. They just lack the mental capacity. But that's their nature. I don't encourage or enjoy it, but nature designed them that way, they're naturally fucked in the head 90% of the time.

But complaining about it is akin to complaining about the rain. They have no agency, never have, and never will. There's a feeling of utter impotency holding out on trying to get them to accept some fucking responsibility, even just a fraction of the time. Instead the only recourse is to give in, and just accept it. Dogs will eat the steaks in front of them and all that.

Were it that I could effect some change on society I'd be all on board, but I honestly feel that the decline is inevitable due to the number of women and idiotic men on board the progressiveness train. What else can one do but fuck lots of women in the meanwhile?

That said, I feel where you're coming from. I've lost a lot of respect for women during my time in TRP. I accept them for what they are, but they'll never have the respect that I bear for other men, with a handful of exceptions like Camille Paglia.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Really good post dude.

Were it that I could effect some change on society I'd be all on board, but I honestly feel that the decline is inevitable due to the number of women and idiotic men on board the progressiveness train. What else can one do but fuck lots of women in the meanwhile?

Build a bunker to survive the fallout.

That said, I feel where you're coming from. I've lost a lot of respect for women during my time in TRP. I accept them for what they are, but they'll never have the respect that I bear for other men, with a handful of exceptions like Camille Paglia.

Completely hear you and agree 100%. I feel the same way about women. Feminism is this strange societal level shit test where women try to achieve the level of respect that men inspire without having to go through and meet the same levels of personal growth, strife and expectations that they do.

[–]Diombel 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Great post. I wonder, have you read The fate of empires ? It describes what we currently experience as a cycle that repeats within every great empire (this time being the USA and it's cultural values upon the world). Basically the author argues, 38 years ago, that this is the inevitable state of humanity after every period of abundance. Would you agree? And if you do, and it is infact the "natural" flow of human civilization(to build from scratch, to lose it all and then to rebuild again) wouldn't it be better to simply let it crumble. Those men that are strong will survive and rebuild.

[–]ShinyBrah 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Where are you meeting these guys that lift and stand up for women? Most guys I know that lift subscribe to the mentality of 'sloots gonna sloot' and hate feminism.

[–]RP-on-AF1 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I try to imagine a hypothetical equivalent to TRP, where women learn that most of what they've been taught about men and how to treat them is wrong. And the women mostly just say "You gotta work out. Gotta get that body sexy." It would seem ridiculous.

[–]Entrefut 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Hey man, one field at a time. The philosophy of TRP is infecting the smarter men with the mentalities to change how things work. Personally I am going into a field that is already very male dominant, but I am going to be making sure it isn't dominated by some pussy shit men.

I picked my industry because in 10-15 years it's going to be the next silicon sized advance in technology. If I'm at the head of it, or anywhere near it's origins, I am not going to let it carve a future that caters to societies current bull shit. I'll be reping my cartoon women lab coat all day long, not because it's sexist and I'm a terrible person, but because I am not petty enough to be sexist and I will have gained enough respect to wear whatever the fuck I want.

The scientific community is beta right now, it isn't going to stay that way. There's a new wave of men and they are going to be instilling TRP theory into every field there is. Once that happens, people are going to have to decide which societal model they deem most effective, ours or the corrupt, two faced, feminist lies.

Edit: Also I really appreciate the time you put into your blog. I have always had extremely high goals for myself since I was a kid. Our society halted my creative freedoms as a boy and I turned to video games to keep some of those juices flowing. Your posts have completely 180'd my perspective on our world and given me reason to pursue the visions i've been having of how our world should be since I was a child.

[–]redzorp 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Haha. Awesome rant BRAH!

I concur on all points. But what can ya do?

Enjoy the Decline.

[–]Redpillc0re 15 points16 points  (14 children)

Please, pick a fucking side

I 'm with you on that. The problem is that the "sides" are not clear. A society full of alphas is by definition impossible, a society of 100% AF/BB is disastrous (that's why i believe all of the surviving civilizations regulated AF/BB). Traditional societies (like fundamendalist islam) are considered backwards even by men. Are we at an impasse? It could well be so, and women are reaping huge material advantages out of it.

Men have always followed their leaders when they showed a good path. There is no such thing today.

I agree with you we need to stop mincing words about the horrible behaviors of women that we experience, in a civilized way (makes one sound more credible). It's a first step.

[–]soulmatter[🍰] 13 points14 points  (9 children)

Probably because our leaders have no philosophical backbone at all. They want to be our "representatives", not our leaders. When was the last time you heard the US president said anything about his personal beliefs about life, the universe, existence or anything relevant about the long-term direction the country should be taking or his vision for the future?

[–]TheEagleEyedTiger 7 points8 points  (0 children)

These rotten thieves we call politicians don't have any real views on anything. They don't care about the country or welfare of their people, they just want to be wealthy and part of the elite.

[–]Entrefut 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Being a leader puts a target on your head, being a representative means you're just the "messenger."

We need some damn leaders, but our pussified society will never elect one.

[–]foldpak111 3 points4 points  (2 children)

A society full of alphas would be hilarious. It'd look a lot like my first day at MCRD

[–]DarkCircle 5 points6 points  (2 children)

What bothers me is that those 'alphas' are really indirectly submitting to the nonsensical desires of these women. Dealing with shit tests at all, playing the bluffing game with her shitty behavior. Real alpha behavior would be if men collectively said 'we won't tolerate that shit.'

Hypothesis: I think that is why women like men in uniforms. It is men as a group deciding what happens and enforcing boundaries. It is masculinity actualized. You must respect it and it protects you.

I am under no illusions, redpill is an often amoral sexual strategy/philosophy but when people do all of this stuff to impress women (by pretending they aren't trying to impress her or don't care) then act like they are in charge and the boss, it makes me cringe.

[–]monsieurhire2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree with what you say, but why would the "gym rat cunts" want to change things if they are winning with their methods?

Also, I can tell you that lifting was one of the best things I've ever done for myself. I don't do it for the fucking women, I do it to be healthy and feel healthy, so I don't have to go to a doctor, and so I don't feel like crap all the time because my joints and bones are bearing a disproportionate load of my bodyweight, and because my circulatory system is so sluggish it can bearly pump enough blood to my brain.

Telling people to lift is solid advice. Perhaps THE most solid advice on here. Why? Because you can quantify weight-lifting. You can measure your progress. Do nothing and you get flabby. Work steadily and you get stronger.

As for Tinder . . . well, I say, having never used it, that based on my OKStupid experience, it's probably an improvement, because it sounds like the odds of a physical encounter are greatly increased with minimal effort. All the high-handed cuntiness of a woman expecting you to read her profile and write her a letter EXACTLY the way she wants are gone. And you know if the woman think you are cute or not, which is all that matters in dating, aside from money. If nobody swipes you, you know EXACTLY where you stand and you know you have to improve. With OKStupid, you could write hundreds of letters and never know what the woman thinks because the average hot girl is swamped with hundreds of letters a day.

Part of the reason women are cunts is because they have power: the power to determine who gets to pass on their genes. They choose who to spread their legs for. They choose which babies to keep, give up for adoption, or abort. They know this . . . on many levels. They all want the best sperm they can get. Nothing will change this, the same way nothing will change all the men wanting the hottest women, even though they may be completely undeserving. Doesn't it always crack you up when some pimply young wastrel whines about not being able to fuck the head cheerleader, while turning up his nose at the brace-face hippo?

[–]brotherjustincrowe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank. Fuck. There's a reason you're endorsed. Too many people think TRP is some kind of PUA bullshit, like "Return Of Kings" just means "How To Keep Your Dick Consistently Wet" and nothing else. Being a man, a real man in a society with an increasingly eroding definition of the word, is what gets you laid. Not the other way around.

[–]1Modified_Hackware 25 points26 points  (18 children)

cut out the chest puffing "everything is a man's fault" bullshit.

I fall into this camp and stand by it.

Everything women are doing in society now, is because apathetic men sat about and nodded their heads blithely.

We can't have a "Women are the most responsible teenager in the house" and then blame them/assign full agency for wrecking house.

It's men who propose in marriage, men who pay for marriage (the event and during) men who haven't been strong with alimony reform, judicial reform, men who haven't swatted away the pay gap bullshit, men who haven't come down hard on these thinly veiled "All men are pedophiles" laws RE airlines and playgrounds. As commonly parroted, feminism, largely post third wave feminism is a societal shit test that men (not women) have failed and keep failing.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 27 points28 points  (7 children)

At least you have taken a side. We may not agree, but I respect the fact you have a solid stance on it. Even though it's not our fault, I believe men have to just "suck it up" or otherwise shit doesn't work (LTRs.) Life isn't fair and that's all bullshit, but whatever, it is what it is. If the method works then it works. What pisses me off most is the flexibility of "she's just as reasonable as you" and then the switch to "it's not her fault, you're a faggot that needs to lift more her daddy issues aren't the problem" whenever it fucking suits. Dissonance everywhere. Too much dissonance.

[–]1Modified_Hackware 18 points19 points  (3 children)

What pisses me off most is the flexibility of "she's just as reasonable as you" and then the switch to "it's not her fault, leave her alone you fucking bully!!!" whenever it fucking suits.

It pisses me off as well. But that argument only holds weight in society so long as:

  • Men are thirsty white knights.

  • We don't tell a bitch to fuck off when she tries that argument.

The most universally easy way to combat the first step is to get ripped. Getting ripped requires less abstracted intellectual theory for the hard of thinking and brings tangible health benefits at the same time. It's a no brainer out-the-box way to start cutting at the chains that bind.

The slack jawed "Brah" sub-culture can be annoying but it's just an dialect for a loosely associated gang of men in a not too dissimilar way the terms womyn, AFBB, feminazi, gets thrown around in here and serve their own purposes. Head over to misc on bodybuilding.com (sure you already have) and you'll see a facet of red pill. Fuck sloots get ripped, who cares if she comes during sex, blow jobs or gtfo. It's it's own form of outcome independence, mastery and gang-affiliated masculinity.

It is valid. Annoying? Can be for sure, but no more than the spergs in here tossing ALPHA BETA DARK TRIAD stuff about in here, and to be clear that's not a shot at you - your work on DT etc is nuanced and insightful.

[–]hairaware 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The culture and talk of "lifters" is generally just guys having fun. Sure there are plenty of meat heads but the majority of guys I know who are dedicated lifters are well educated, driven, and successful men.

I think the "there must be something wrong with you" mentality comes from the fact that these guys generally work their butts off on the regular to achieve and accomplish things and so they hate complaining. You can change who you are to succeed in the world of women, men or whatever you want so while complaints may be legitimate they are still the problem and should be addressed.

You think back in the day the awkward, uneducated, poor, or weak men were getting laid? Change is needed though.

[–]seddition 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hardcore lifting gyms are one of the last truly male dominated spaces. I love the gym because I can spend time with other like minded guys and we can say whatever the fuck we want without repurcussions. It's a lot like old school barber shops. If for no other reason you should be in the weight pile to be around other men who actually have a pair and are willing to do hard work to be strong.

[–]a-orzie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Brah trenned up culture is such a tiny minority its laughable he spent 3/4 of his rant on it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And when we tried to pass Shared Parenting to just take baby steps to actually enact some fucking change it was men who voted against it and men who stopped other men from being and having fathers. Men not women.

[–]Luckyluke23 3 points4 points  (0 children)

epic rant is EPIC!

love your post man.

I would say there are some guy who are bitter. ( iused to be like that) but it is a VERY SMALL %

[–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can't award a delta, but I really hope one of the mods do. This post deserves it. Paging OP /u/bsutansalt .

[–]DRMMR76 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I have noticed those types of comments as well and I think some posters are trying to AMOG the TRP subreddit. Every time someone posts a FR or a story of their past, without fail someone always shows up and just posts "ur just being a pussy" or something similar. Or even when the guy posting did some really great things or shows that he's learning, someone will come in, nitpick the post to death and find some way to shit on the poster. It's not constructive at all. It's like they're treating TRP as a real life bar scene and the feel they need to bring down others at every opportunity to make themselves seem or feel superior.

In some abstract sense, yes every other TRP member is "competition", but honestly the likelihood that anyone on TRP is actually competing for the same girls as you in real life is next to nothing. So all the chest puffing/thumping and "stop being a pussy brah" nonsense serves no purpose other than to make the commenter feel superior to the guy who wrote the post. It's pathetic and transparent.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

someone will come in, nitpick the post to death and find some way to shit on the poster. It's not constructive at all.

It's a crab bucket mentality, and IMO, under my idealised version of masculinity, that destructive henpecking bullshit wouldn't exist.

It's not constructive at all. It's like they're treating TRP as a real life bar scene and the feel they need to bring down others at every opportunity to make themselves seem or feel superior.

I've seen people doing this to endorsed contributors. Not just me, but others too. Sometimes I think someone is just talking shit to me because I have that little userbar. They always pick an endorsed member or a mod or someone recognisable. It's kind of pathetic.

In some abstract sense, yes every other TRP member is "competition", but honestly the likelihood that anyone on TRP is actually competing for the same girls as you in real life is next to nothing. So all the chest puffing/thumping and "stop being a pussy brah" nonsense serves no purpose other than to make the commenter feel superior to the guy who wrote the post. It's pathetic and transparent.

Hear, hear! Bullseye.

[–]Doctor_Mayhem 9 points10 points  (2 children)

You, GayLubeOil, and Trudatness are my three favorite commenters on this. I think you just shot to number 1.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil 56 points57 points  (1 child)

Dont wory baby girl ill win you back over and then Ill hold you once more with my strong Russian arms. You will feel safe. Everything will be okay.

[–]Red_King_Rising 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When you are getting you needs met it's hard to see how others aren't. Ask the 1% how they feel about the rest of us. Ask whites about racism being dead. Ask women about men's rights. The dominate group that is winning never sees a problem for the group who is not. It's human nature.

[–]RPDBF 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The thing is TRP is meant to be reactionary to the fucked up world we live in, it was never to be a group that crusades to try and change society.

[–]evilassaultweapon 8 points9 points  (12 children)

So what you're basically describing are the members of the cock carousel who claim to be the epitome of masculinity. Couldn't agree more; if you criticize women for riding the CC, why the fuck would you want to be one of the horses?

[–]lordofthejelly 26 points27 points  (6 children)

Couldn't agree more; if you criticize women for riding the CC, why the fuck would you want to be one of the horses?

Uhhh...because it's better than any of the alternatives?

  • Celibacy
  • Spending a fuckton of money wifing up a certified pre-owned pussy

[–]1oldredder 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Nothing wrong with celibacy if it brings you peace of mind & stability.

The only thing that's wrong is if you're forced into it against your will.

[–]ShinyBrah 6 points7 points  (1 child)

In all fairness, being a "horse" actually takes skill, unlike being the rider.

[–]evilassaultweapon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Funny how the exact opposite is true on the other end of the analogy. Interesting...

[–]VegasHostTre 1 point2 points  (1 child)

the problem is we can't fix it. the men at the top of the power chain don't want to see it fixed, because women are more profitable than men. so you can either go lift brah to try and atleast get some pleasure out of it or MGTOW in silent protest. of it.

[–]semondemon24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everything you said really lines up well with some of the juice heads I grown to dislike in TRP. You are a wise man. I am here to improve myself and get rid of any bottle necks preventing me from getting what I want in life. My faith in TRP has been restored, thanks BRAH ;)

[–]ErrandAlchemist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well you know, we're so well conditioned to interpret rejecting behavior as a signal we're in the presence of a higher value person, so here's your points.

Seriously though, best read of the day.

[–]svogliate 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sophistication, not sophistry. An article full of sophistry would not be well received.

[–]JimiJons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I prefer your non-rants, but this is still gold-worthy material.

[–]epixs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ergo, the guy went to his professors office and saw a line of girls who have always enjoyed this bias but are now angry it has been removed by random number grading. So, they are there complaining about overly harsh grades. Something that males have had to endure since birth.

As a modest lifter who keeps lifting to himself and doesn't go around talking about it, this post was spot on. Many of my bro's are like this and you just wonder wtf. Good laugh on the satire.

[–]Party_Liquor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude, thank you. It's like we are sharing a brain here. I could not have said it better. Take some heart though, not all of us have dropped out and conceded the society to femcunts. Keep fighting the good fight brother!

[–]Andress1 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Sometimes the best way to play the game is not playing at all. Learning game and continually bettering yourself is a way of life and not for everyone. If they don't enjoy doing them and instead prefer to do other things that satisfy them more they are in their right to do so. In the end its our lives and we should do what makes us happy,which is the ultimate goal.Not picking women,neither bettering yourself.

[–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sometimes the best way to play the game is not playing at all.

You know a lot of people say that, but I think if you have the foresight and knowledge of what you're up against you can do well. This is why I'm a huge advocate of /r/theredpill, it's about developing the tools, skills, and philosophy necessary to navigate the quagmire that modern relationships have become.

You're right though that it's not for everyone.

[–]Dorrog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's the only option when the game is so rigged, but it's not ideal at all.

[–]Squabbles123 44 points45 points  (19 children)

Yup, I relate to this really hard. I've simply given up on the whole deal, why be bothered to do this and do that and try to basically be the "perfect alpha" girls want when I can just NOT and probably be happier for it.

[–]sunwukong15 20 points21 points  (4 children)

I have been into red pill awhile now and I am really trying to find a middle ground.

I want to live a life that will make me happier, but women also bring me happiness. I am starting to get the idea that your fulfillment in life needs to come from yourself, and women can be a fun thing on the side.

It's hard for me to give up my Christian belief system and embrace hook up culture, so digesting this has been a struggle, although one I find to be very necessary.

[–]zephyrprime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Note that in Christianity the highest thing you can do as a man isn't to get married. The highest thing you can do is go into the desert and contemplate god for the rest of your life. I don't recall who wrote it but I remember I read a passage in the bible where the speaker was saying this but he also realized that most people wouldn't be able to do this so for them he recommended getting married and living an ordinary life. People back in the Bible's day totally understood red pill ideas. Shit like that was common knowledge back then. The only way a marriage can work though is if the man is dominant, the woman submissive, and both of them attend to each other's needs. If the man is only equal, he will soon become less than equal and then the woman will despise him and leave him.

[–]ProductivityMonster 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I've though about giving up too, but you need improve for your own sake, not for women's attention. You don't need to become some keyboard jockey's idea of "alpha", but you should form your own idea of what that means based on your values and some of the more rational stuff you read.

[–]grewapair 51 points52 points  (7 children)

At age 53, I look back at what I got out of my relationships vs what I had to put into them, and the answer is "not very much."

Honestly, the main reason I had a girlfriend was just so everyone didn't think I was a loser. I presented the facade of being happy and fulfilled, while the women I was dating basically expected me to do everything while they themselves did very little but lie there while I fucked them. And when I finally got smart and dumped them, they just found some other loser who gave them what they wanted in exchange for doing absolutely nothing.

Some were unwilling to lift a finger for me. Some were incapable. The ones who did stuff for me at first stopped soon after.

But I was expected to marry them, hand over half of my education-driven earnings to them, just so I could look a certain part. Most of my friends who got married ended up with monetary black holes: the women spent every cent and sometimes more, requiring the men to step on a treadmill from which they could never escape, while the wife led some sort of white picket fence fantasy life.

Who is at fault here? Not the women. If I had girls throwing their vaginas at me, I'd take every one of them. How can I blame them when a guy buys them endless drinks in a bar, only to see her walk away from that guy at the end of the night. The problem isn't the woman, it's the men.

Women slut shame each other. Men in our culture do nothing, requiring men to one up each other to get someone better than their looks would justify.

The solution to this problem is to Beta shame other men: laugh at the guy buying drinks at the bar for someone with whom he's not yet slept with, as a pathetic loser like the women do with the girl who sleeps around and our lives get 100% instantly better.

[–]ProductivityMonster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree with you within reason. The problem is that someone's idea of beta or alpha may not quite be in line with your idea of the concepts. I agree there is a point to beta shaming, but it can only be done for blatantly obvious beta things (like your example of buying drinks for a girl you haven't slept with with the expectation she will sleep with you if you buy her drinks). Even in that example, there is room for misinterpretation because we have to infer something about the mindset of the person doing it.

EDIT: I also think that shaming certain people (the very plugged-in namely) will not necessarily be productive and may even lead to more beta behavior. At the end of the day, you have to want to change in order to change.

[–]CornyHoosier 15 points16 points  (5 children)

among men of about 15 to 30 years old, ever-increasing numbers are checking out of society altogether, giving up on women, sex and relationships and retreating into pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, video games and, in some cases, boorish lad culture, all of which insulate them from a hostile, debilitating social environment created, some argue, by the modern feminist movement.

Cruelly derided as man-children and crybabies for objecting to absurdly unfair conditions in college, bars, clubs and beyond, men are damned if they do and damned if they don't: ridiculed as basement-dwellers for avoiding aggressive, demanding women with unrealistic expectations, or called rapists and misogynists merely for expressing sexual interest.

Holy shit. I'm 29 and this perfectly describes me and most of the men my age.

Evening joining the TRP. While the results in my eyes are quite apparent, suddenly a large influx of women start saying we here are "rapists and misogynists". Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[–]ProductivityMonster 1 point2 points  (4 children)

In the short term, I guess they'll just have to take some personal responsibility and increase their SMV to a point where they're not labeled "rapists and misogynists" when hitting on women. In the long term, society will get fed up of this shit and revert back to more traditionalist culture or it will die and be replaced by a more traditionalist society.

[–]RU_Crazy 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Its going to be the latter. The west is breeding (or lack thereof) itself out of existence. For every white girl riding the CC until the age of 35 and barley squeezing out one baby before she goes barren you have the Latino family pumping out 5-6 kids. Living in a large city makes this phenomena all the more apparent.

[–]ErrandAlchemist 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I think this is one of the most important things we should be talking about. It's essentially a form of anarchism, or atheism, in the sense of totally rejecting the dominant ideology. I don't think everyone has to adopt that view, but I think we should understand what it means to truly be "outside of the system."

[–]WeishaiChaae_zohbae9 2 points3 points  (2 children)

No.

Anarchists are, by definition, anti-hierarchical socialists and feminists.

TRP accepts society's hierarchies for what they are and encourages doing your best to rise above them.

[–]BluepillProfessor 27 points28 points  (6 children)

I pray this marks the beginning of the awakening. A MSM outlet publishes a piece that could have been written by Rollo and the comments are overwhelmingly in favor.

I agree it is extremely aggravating that women have managed to take control all while retaining victimhood but it is because of us men. WE let them do this. THEY used our nature to protect them and make them happy and turned something beautiful into an abomination.

Until men develop a 'class consciousness' (your Marxist terminology for the day) and become aware of their bondage, and then begin to act on that knowledge, they will continue to fall behind.

I see it every day walking down the hall. Boatloads of young, hot, tight girls and barely a man anywhere. Almost EVERY SINGLE MALE STUDENT I have had in the last 5 years + years has been a defeated beta.

In a class of 30-40 people there MAY be a single Alpha male who is not afraid to speak his mind, talks slowly and calmly, and has a fucking opinion. These dudes seriously are taught to ignore their own wants and desires. The rest of the class usually features about 20 or so females and 8-10 classical male manginas.

[–]RU_Crazy 18 points19 points  (3 children)

The problem is as a man you absolutely cannot voice your opinion on this in any social setting. If you do the women will instantly hate you and the men will try to distance themselves from you to shield themselves from the hate.

Just to give you an example from law school: constitutional law delves deep into many of the social and political issues. In my class the professor loved to make things into a lively debate and we would have lively debates for the most part. That is until we got to a subject that touched on women's rights (or minority rights). Once we got into those topics it would suddenly turn into feminist soap box hour with none of the men willing to offer a rebuttal. I would probably be the only one to say anything and even then I would have to be EXTREMELY careful with what I said. I would have to qualify my statements by saying "not that I necessarily agree with this" or "for the sake of arguing both sides" and then I would offer some of the following, with respect to abortion "can we at least accept that someone trying to protect unborn children is not per se unreasonable." Or when we talked about the hobby lobby incident "shouldn't the issue be framed as whether employers should be forced to pay for birth control and whether birth control should even be considered health care in the first place." Even then the rabid feminists would be chomping at the bit to attack my position. Their responses were always hilarious probably the best one was - "you're a man so you cannot intelligently speak on this topic." I replied "what would you think if I just told you you were a woman and weren't intelligent enough to talk, you would be outraged." Furthermore, I know as a matter of fact other people in the class shared my views and were unwilling to voice their opinions. On several occasions I was approached by other classmates who thanked me for at least putting forth the other side.

The only solution I see it is the relative anonymity of the internet which may allow the discussion to flourish. But the truth is that men are systematically prevented from developing these opinions. These days you are either in support of feminism or the viewed as the misogynistic version of the KKK. There is no middle ground. Make no mistake the fear of social ostracism plays a large role in all of this. My fear is that the ultimate result of the majority of men placating this new world order so to speak will inevitably lead to a "race to the bottom" as men step over each other in an attempt to be viewed as more and more progressive. What will the end result be? We are seeing it right before our eyes in my opinion: a mass of subservient yes men.

[–]rpscrote 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When I had the rape discussion in crim law, I had the good fortune of having an in-your-face 100% no apologies former marine guy go apeshit on people. He literally would start yelling and raising his voice during his (albeit a bit emotional) legal argumentation. He straight up bullied the otherwise bold feminist parts into shutting up for fear of provoking him. It was ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS. All those strong womyn cowed by a man unhindered by their PC garbage

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Even on the internet these feminist men and women will do their best to silence you. I frequently argue against feminism and it's common for feminists to go through and report every single post I've ever made or to go nuclear ad hominem on me to try to get me to react so they can ban me. Or to attack me in the ways feminists do to try to devalue my statements. Funny that they can not do so with reason or logic.

And in RL I also argue against feminism. I have been told repeatedly how much I hate women, publicly shamed, etc. It's practice for passing massive shit tests as far as I'm concerned. I've had a woman publicly attack me in a tattoo parlor while I was with a plate, scream at me about how I hate all women, pass the shit test, and later have her give me her number.

Though in a class like you describe I think what you did was best. If we don't speak up though our voices will never be heard. And women, and men, respect those who speak their minds.

[–]JohnDoe78 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When ever a person mentions their a feminist, laugh at them jokingly. You will never change someones position by arguing points but to make fun of that position is something that will make them question it. For all people are sheep and if the herd laughs at them they will change.

[–]ThorLives 9 points10 points  (1 child)

While I felt the article was overly negative, it really reminded me of this:

Herbivore men (草食(系)男子 Sōshoku(-kei) danshi?) or grasseaters are a social phenomenon in Japan of men who shun marriage or gaining a girlfriend.[1] They are characteristically described as frugal, and interested in personal grooming.[2] Under this categorisation scheme, men and women are either herbivore type (草食系 sōshoku-kei?) or carnivore type (肉食系 nikushoku-kei?). As of September 2010, 36% of Japanese men between the ages of 16 and 19 perceived themselves in this way.[3] Additionally, two surveys of single men in their 20s and 30s found that 61% and 70%, respectively, considered themselves grass-eating men.[4] This phenomenon is viewed by the Japanese government as a leading cause in the nation's declining birth rate, prompting the government to provide incentives for couples that have children, including payouts and free health care.[5]

...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men

[–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Herbivore men in Japan and MGTOW in the US, UK, etc are exactly the same thing, if for different reasons. The net effect on society and culture are going to be identical though.

[–]socio_j 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Cultural marxists and feminists have created something far worse, damaging and "real" than class warfare. A real war of the sexes. We live in dark times, and if feminism doesn't get systematically repressed this world is heading for the shitter.

[–]pl231 24 points25 points  (4 children)

sounds like an atlas shrugged of gender.

I fucking love it

[–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It basically is. MGTOW are often referred to as "going Galt".

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    [–]RU_Crazy 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    [–]iamaguythrowaway 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    I think you will be deluding yourself if you think that you can get a virtuous girl from urban India. Even here, urban girls have been poisoned by feminism and girls here are even more entitled than ever because of hypergamy. Girls go for NRIs because of lifestyle upgradation and the big fat wallet of the NRI. Infact, a pattern has been noticed here that girls leave their boyfriends the moment they get a proposal of an arranged marriage to an NRI. Not to sound like a douce but maintaining your SMV should be of utmost importance to you before and after marriage. Indian guys have a habit of slacking off after marriage. Mind you not all girls are like that but given the freedom of the West, maintaining your SMV should be of utmost importance to you.

    [–]dicklord_airplane 15 points16 points  (2 children)

    the real victims in all of this are children. the trajectory of western culture is intent on disincentivizing or outright destroying family units in order to give women freedom from any and all obligations to their family and society at large. feminist theory sells children's future wellbeing to buy more petty freedom for their mothers, and now all those bastards and directionless, unprincipled children without a clue of how the world actually works have grown up.

    [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Make no mistake the trajectory of western culture is to destroy itself. Women's lib, moral relativism, a rejection of masculinity, an embrace of mindless hedonism, cultural and ethinic masochism, these are all means to weaken our societies.

    [–]JackGetsIt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    It seems like the new family unit is the single mother who works 60 plus hours to pay for a shitty apartment. She uses government assistance to make ends meet. I see this all the time when I'm looking for women. So many single mothers; and their nearly always proud of it for some reason. "I'm fine on my own." Which they know is false; they'd love another paycheck and childcare work but won't admit to it. Where is the shame? It seems the response from women in general is that men have let this single women down which is total bullshit because there are plenty of good men that would take her as a wife; but they think that even with their children and declining looks they deserve some type of loaded alpha guy. It's like their mind is warped from having so much male attention when they were in their prime.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil 43 points44 points  (29 children)

    Before you guys give up on women know this. There are plenty of women whos ethnic and cultural background protect them from feminist indoctrination. Feminist is a bad word in Eastern Europe its synonymous with lesbian. Being a good mother is a big part of South American culture. Feminists have a hard time with ethnic women because they are reluctant to give up on their cultural identity.

    [–]Algermas 70 points71 points  (11 children)

    For now. Unfortunately the only way to enjoy these women for any significant period of time is to join them is their backwoods Ukrainian village, bring them over to the US and you'll have a feminist on steroids in no time.

    AWALT, "our" culture simply celebrates and reinforces natural female behavior while theirs attempts to suppress the more toxic elements of the feminine.

    Take a nice Peruvian girl out of her conservative hometown and into "the West" and she'll be as happy as any butch feminist to break up her family for a hotshot attorney, the only thing that kept her in check was the stifling, conservative attitude of those around her.

    A Muslim girl is only as devout as the Muslim men keeping her in check, I've fucked many, many headscarved orthodox girls, all it takes is for her to be away from male Muslim eyes.

    Don't be fooled by third world unicorns.

    [–]bobbatosakosanose 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    You need to look at the societal repercussions. Muslims still have honor killings and single mothers are pretty much left to their own devices. There are no captain save a ho's. I'm talking about Afghanistan etc. Not the more developed nations. Either way muslim societies still have better odds of a unicorn. You can't really screw a chick if her brothers and father chaperone her. Its very rare.

    And remember. Women are followers. In societies where single mother's are shamed. Women avoid it. Women care a lot more about social status and their perception than a chance to be with a bad boy in those cultures.

    Another thing: women have a hard time remarrying compared to men. Daughters are seen as a burden in those cultures and parents are eager to have their daughter married and move out.

    [–]sweetleef 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.” -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865),

    And most women will fail that test. Modern Western legal, academic, and media systems have bent over backwards to shift as much power as possible to women, and have reached the point over the past 30 years that it is rather unbalanced in favor of women.

    What women, generally, do with that power is obvious to anyone looking.

    [–]1grendalor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Yes, you need to keep the cultural context for it to work -- you need to expat, in other words, and go native.

    Women are fundamentally the same everywhere on the planet, underneath. The differences are the cultural constraints and context that put the kibosh on them acting on their impulses to the same degree as is permitted in the current West. The West itself was not always like this -- the culture changed, and the constraints on women were removed, and then they started to act on their impulses, and we know the rest of that story very well.

    If you take a woman from one of these cultures and bring her to the US and live an American lifestyle, she will adapt to the female culture here, and she will act on her impulses just like women who are born here do -- in other words, feral hypergamy. AWALT. The only difference is context.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil 14 points15 points  (4 children)

    Here's the thing if you take a Latin/Eastern European woman and treat her like an American she will become an American. That's where all of you western men fuck up.

    You think Russian men would put up with half that shit? Hell no. Western men don't respect themselves and let themselves get shat all over.

    Also lets not talk about Ukrainian villages or steroids in a pejorative manner. ;)

    [–]M0RKET 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    As a Ukrainian living in (almost) a village I think pejorative manner is entirely justified.

    [–]Carkudo 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Ummm... dude. I'm Russian (which, I guess isn't Eastern Europe, but culturally close enough). Sure, your typical Russian woman will fucking break you if you call her a feminist. But her values, her mating strategies and her general behavior will be exactly the same as the feminists that TRP bashes. She will test you, she will look for better options, she will divorce you and will take your child.

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      [–]1Watermelon_Salesman 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      Being a good mother is a big part of South American culture.

      Brazilian checking in. In the lower social classes, where protestant churches have a big say, some family values still hold, but mostly this country is in feminism (and socialism) red alert. The middle and upper classes are filled with the exact same feminazi campus cunt you guys face in the US, and so is Argentina, where I visit often.

      We have major slutwalks in every city, every month. We have a female president who pushes a feminist agenda, and gets elected thanks to female and communist votes. They're trying to push quotas for women in public service now.

      This country is certainly going down the drain much like the US, Canada and Sweden.

      [–]Fetish_Goth 14 points15 points  (5 children)

      Here in Texas, there are a lot of hispanic women that reject feminism. The problem is that almost all of them want marriage and kids. Beware that a celebration of the patriarchy often means a different set of shackles. Traditionalism is no more free than our sexually liberated society. In some ways, it is less so.

      Anyhow, after making some life changes, I'm rather beginning to enjoy the way things are and don't necessarily want to turn back the clock.

      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      We've essentially took out a loan out from traditionalism to fund our free lifestyle. Eventually it will have to be paid back.

      [–]rebuildingMyself 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      We're already paying back that loan: horrendous family courts, drunk consensual sex = rape (to preserve the good girl status), and other such ways to insulate women from their bad choices

      [–]RU_Crazy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      But there has to be more to life then pure hedonism.

      [–]alucard4571 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I've been looking or some grander meaning to life that our species is supposed to be undertaking. Near as I can figure life is a roller coaster. Throw your hands up, scream "weeeee!", and try not to think about how soon it'll all be over.

      [–]cagethepepper 6 points7 points  (2 children)

      I know a German guy who's married to an Eastern European woman.

      He's extremely miserable. If a western man doesn't provide on the same level as she expects you to, you're fucked.

      [–]zephyrprime 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      It's not like he isn't providing less or even equal to an eastern european man. He just can't handle his woman because he is a typical weak Western man. And I'm a western man myself so I know.

      [–]Anderfail 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      There are some American women who are still like this, but the only place you will find them is in the South or Texas. Are there a lot of ruined women here? Sure, but there are some that have totally rejected that lifestyle and were raised in families with one or multiple alpha males (with one being her biological father).

      I know plenty of women who are solid and all of them got married in their early 20s at the absolute latest and are still married now more than 10 years later with good families.

      [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The problem is when guys bring these foreign women to the US or Canada. It's not uncommon for them to become acclimated to the culture and start adopting the feminized/entitlement mentality so many western women are steeped in today.

      [–]griff62 11 points12 points  (4 children)

      My favorite quote:

      "Why bother trying to work out what a woman wants, when you can play sports, masturbate or just play video games from the comfort of your bedroom?"

      [–]some12talk2 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Q. how is this different or extends 2013's Men On Strike?

      [–]TalkingMonkeys 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Helen opened the doors for the academic discussion. Now its time for men to uphold there end of the argument. I'll add that I was surprised that there was not a mention of Men on Strike.

      [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Go into the comments and bring it up. I've been dropping links to TRP left and right and they've been surprisingly well received.

      [–]armenia4ever 5 points6 points  (5 children)

      He mentions Jack Donovan. Damn.

      "Jack Donovan, a writer based in Portland who has written several books on men and masculinity, each of which has become a cult hit, says the phenomenon is already endemic among the adult population."

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      Jack Donovan is awesome as fuck.

      I was just sharing this article. http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2014/06/a-time-for-wolves/

      [–]IridiumForte 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      The clumsy approaches lines remind me of my friend V, who a few years back was charged with sexual assault for flirting w/ a girl he had been hanging out with regularly for a while/studying with and slapping her ass when they were in a jovial mood waiting for a train in downtown Toronto. She never said anything about it when it happened but in his words 'squealed' playfully, he thought he was making good progress flirting with this girl and showed up to Uni on Monday to have the cops there arresting him. His university career was thrown in the garbage in his fourth year. She had an online diary where she wrote about each day, on the day of them hanging out she admitted in her online diary that she was into it but 'jesus' wouldn't be into it, that she felt guilty that she was leading him on too much. (Religious chick)

      He just last year had it expunged, police wouldn't budge for the longest time.

      [–]Misteralcala 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      That's some powerful shit right there. Every man can relate to this.

      [–]regal1989 9 points10 points  (6 children)

      I have a coworker who is currently a convicted felon that did hard time in maximum security prison. He dropped serious RP knowledge that will stick with me until the end of time. Every man in prison is there because of a woman. Maybe they resorted to robbery to pay for nice things. They may of lusted for and raped a woman, or been falsely accused. They may of spiraled into a hardcore drug problem to get over a woman, or been ratted out by his old lady. The point is, the number one cause of temptation to commit a crime is at it's root a woman somewhere. It was perhaps the number one piece of knowledge that would convince me to MGTOW lifestyle. Very powerful perspective. I recommend trying to get to know at least one hardcore felon, as many of them have learned the laws of power the hard way.

      [–]Year_Of_The_Horse_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Even the first few pages of the Bible try to inform you that woman is the downfall of man. I saw in the recent movie "Noah" they edited this out of the depiction of the creation story. How far we have fallen, that this knowledge that was easily apparent to our primitive ancestors is so contentious today.

      [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      They say behind great men are great women, so it makes some sense if the opposite holds true.

      [–]Algermas 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Why do you think there is so much crime in the black community? Sure it's gang culture and what have you but WHY are these boys seeking out these gangs? Because they lack a strong male role model.

      When was the last time you heard a white athlete say he worked so hard so his momma wouldn't have to work anymore? Never. Black athletes? All the time.

      Watch any serial killer documentary and it's like filling in a bingo square:

      • Domineering/prostitute/addict/single mother

      The one and only exception I've ever seen were guys who had serious mental illnesses ( ie paranoid schizophrenia )

      Our prisons are filled with the progeny of single mothers, that is their legacy upon our society.

      [–]watersign 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      feminism is such a joke. the more ridiculous the world becomes, the more inspired i get. im a millenial (mid 20s) and i see how many people have just checked out, i dont blame them though..but i will never give up. when the going gets tough, its time to FORGE AHEAD!

      [–]scarletspider3 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      their is some good news and bad news. Now that Im 31 I have the privilege of watching all the bitches that used to be the shit turn into shit. They all have kids and quickly lose all their pussy power. Their tits start sagging, they lose their shape, they lose that beautiful soft skin. But thats when u have ur status and alot of women are desperate.

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      I think the article is sadly a beacon of false hope. I sincerely doubt enough men will unplug to allow society to steer into anything but decline. You have far too many women and ardent low-testosterone men willing to wave the Progressivism flag. Even if 30-40% of men opt out, I don't know that it would be enough to enact change until real economic consequences were felt (something on the order of the crisis happening in Japan).

      Definitely good to see a non-manosphere article talking about it though.

      [–]harkrank 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      A red pilled man is worth at least 5 blue pill men. They have no willpower or courage.

      [–]BlackDice7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I just saw the article on breitbart was about to post it, beat me my 22 hours. Well done. I guess shit is worst than I thought. Fuck

      [–]YaBoiTibzz 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      "everyone's fleeing to higher education to stave off unemployment and poverty because there are no jobs."

      Hits so close to home it hurts. My parents questioned my decision to go to grad school, asking why I couldn't just join the workforce like they did. I told them I would have if I could've made even twice the minimum wage, but I couldn't. I considered myself lucky to even break double digits right out of college without a STEM degree, all my friends in the same situation (who didn't do what I did, and go back to school) are working dead-end minimum-wage jobs in the service industry.

      [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Unfortunately it's a false proposition, that higher education will insulate someone from unemployment just because they have a degree. IF you go to college, make sure it's in a field that has a decent ROI. The book Worthless is a great read and IMO is one everyone going to college should read before they declare a major.

      [–]Lytalm 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      The world is fucked up. I prefer to go MGTOW then to play this dirty system that the society has created which fucks up men in every possible way.

      [–]johnnywahd 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      I've been MGTOW for a long while now. I always joke by saying if I had listened to Society I'd be working on my second divorce by now.

      [–]Locastor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Yiannopoulos is good people. He is destroying the SJWs on Twitter over #GamerGate.

      [–]AchillesOtherLeg 4 points5 points  (5 children)

      What interests me, because it's not necessarily written in stone, is what happens next.

      Say that the general public and mainstream media becomes aware of TRP. What will happen?

      My prediction is that there will be an explosion of condemnation for all things masculine in the MSM and in public. Men taking part in the sexodus or employing adaptive techniques will be endlessly ridiculed and anyone with authority will attempt to victimise them. A tripling down of blue pill enforcement if you will.

      The likely result of this will be a polarization among men. There will be fewer fence sitters and you'll see more hardcore SJWs in your social circles. On the other side of this you'll see more men than ever before openly embracing one or other forms of TRP and actually being willing to defend their choices (or defy any need for defence of their choices). There will be a fuckton of casual debate going on in the bars and on the streets. Some women will try using their influence in male spaces to impact on this debate within the limits of their power and the SJWs will rage as never before when people actually tell them to fuck off and that they need to support their ideas rather than demand they be accepted. Expect the SJWs to go full retard apeshit.

      At this point the variables become to great to offer a clear prediction IMO.

      I am greatly interested to know what fellow TRPers think is coming in terms of popular consciousness.

      [–]crazydave1979 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      Articles like this make me glad I live in the Midwest where everything seems 20 years behind.. Even tho the liberal media bashes my area constantly while using words like "ancient" "redneck"..

      But it's not that bad living in a conservative state.. Most of the guys I work with have successful LTR's where they run the household (hint: cohabitation not marriage)..There's no reason to check out, just realize that the game has changed and men need to adapt..

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      And we'll discover that the real victims of modern feminism are, of course, women themselves, who have been left lonelier and less satisfied than they have ever been.

      I've been saying this for years. Men who are smart and make self-serving decisions have never had it so good.

      [–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      reading the article and then i see this

      you can pretty much entirely avoid one-on-one socialising with the opposite sex.

      i'm 24, this is happning everywhere as it is! the club is now just high school friends ( thanks to facebook) and if you are not one of them, it's like an up hill battle. ( good job i got my war paint on)

      , which I believe is probably a good thing, and there's been a big effort by the Women's Campaign in particular to try and combat lad culture on campus.

      firstly... wtf is lad calture and how ia this a thing. if the feminazis didn't start a war against every man, then this would be a thing. same with " rape calture" i don't remember it being in the dictionary until them feminazis cried that it wasn't in there.

      As the role of breadwinner has been taken away from them by women who earn more and do better in school, men are left to intuit what to do,

      this is so true. I mean. everyone has now told the kids that they have no life and purpose. Back in the day, the men went out and work and the women was there to SUPORT the men. (it doesn't make there job any less inportant than the mans. ) because the man can't be at home looking after the kids AND be at work at the same tiem. it worked.

      [–]spaceballs-1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Of course the most amusing thing about this is that Milo is a raging homosexual. The best coaches really must be in the stands.

      [–]raceAround126 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      I actually feel bad for one of our female managers here.

      She's actually worth her salt academically and is a decent manager. She is also living the feminist dream. Career, child and a beta husband. Except beta husband is not beta bucks. He's smart enough, got the qualifications but she was always promoted be nursed through her career and effectively fast tracked. She does have the skill to match, she wasn't a typical ditzy woman being gender favoured and she's even hinted as such. Husband was actually better qualified. He studies more, he spends more on self certifications and training but he couldnt keep up with her crucially in terms of salary.

      The result is when baby came. Baby was actually twins. The only way they could make it work is a complete gender reversal. He stays at home to look after the kids, she goes to work simply as her salary is higher.

      The result is utterly devastating. She was confident and strong willed all the way to birth. Now she's back, she's depressed, short tempered and totally destracted by home mode. She can't handle not being the mum and her respect in her beta is just rock bottom. She's not alpha searching but her mind is going crazy trying to figure through it.

      Feminists aren't only fucking up men, theyre destroying women too.

      [–]yummyluckycharms 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Give it time.

      Multiple studies have shown that when there is a stay at home dad - divorce invariably follows. She's just looking for the next branch to swing to

      Its too bad that the this guy didnt read TRP, as right now he's is doing everything that society is telling him to do, but its at his expense. He's going to wind up paying the bill, with nothing to gain for it

      [–]TomHicks 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      Fucking autoplaying videos, any way to stop them?

      [–]brmlb 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Great article, and nails many points. After reading it, what is the compromise on this subreddit between 50% of the men who brag about spinning the plates, one night stands, and getting what they want out of multiple women partners, and the other 50% that worry about marriage, promiscuity, and the number of partners she's had in the past? Can you have it both ways?

      [–]Gunnilingus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This is a great article. I actually came to post it, only to see that it was already top of the sub. It's refreshing to see that some TRP ideas are managing to permeate into viral media, if not the mainstream media. I think the unspoken point of the article is that as modern feminism fights for "team woman" rather than equality, it can only lead men to "team man." It's a dangerous game feminists are playing, in that sense.