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[–]ChillBallin 170 points171 points  (28 children)

"and convinces men who aren't getting laid that the problem isn't them but women"

The large majority of this sub is about how to change yourself to get laid. We don't try to change society. That's what feminists do and it doesn't work because that's retarded.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (8 children)

I have not seen anybody here get consoled about how they were not the problem and it was the woman. Quite the contrary actually. This is about finding out where you fall short and working on it.

[–]galvanised_computer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only way people can detract from TRP is blatant lies aka "feminist reasoning"

[–]youonlylive2wice 2 points3 points  (1 child)

At times the woman / other person is the problem. But the advice here is purely about self-empowerment (wow, talk about pulling a move from the other teams playbook). Here's the facts, here's why its happening, here are the possible solutions.

That's the big thing, what can we do to change our situation. Sometimes you get fucked over by another person... They're the problem. But you always hold keys to the solution and often times that solution is to get the fuck out.

[–]SeekingTheWay 22 points23 points  (9 children)

well gotta give credit where credit is due - it DOES work for them since they hold the keys to sex

[–]TACKninja216 14 points15 points  (1 child)

they hold the keys to sex

... men hold the keys to the relationship

[–]heist_of_saint_graft 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Which is why the male fantasy is having a skeleton key (porn), and the female fantasy is finding out your lock was made for the best key in the kingdom (romance fiction).

[–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 7 points8 points  (4 children)

and convinces men who aren't getting laid that the problem isn't them but women

So how do they hamster the fact that we're always telling people to lift weights?

[–]Ibex3D 1 point2 points  (2 children)

"They think women are unloving, immoral, and shallow bitches who are incapable of thinking independently and making their own choices so they have to get big brutish muscles and manipulate our weak, corrupt minds to get what they want. 'Women are to stupid to realize all they really want is to fuck big muscled man-beasts so you better start lifting, BRAH!'"

Is I imagine it would go.

[–]teeelo 6 points7 points  (1 child)

"Ewww guys with big muscles are gross."

  • Said the fat chick.

  • Said no hot girl ever.

  • Said the bitter post wall woman.

[–]1IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Said the woman frantically towelling off her vagina to prove how dry it was.

[–]1IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Generally as "yeah but you get that from any self-help sub, without the soggy knees".

Which is strange, because I've never actually seen any other self-help subs suggest it.

[–]SwissPablo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's been said before, but one of the major pillars of RP is self-improvement. Also there is a healthy attempt to help those get out of the anger phase, stop hating women and blaming them for their problems, and sort your life out. Any woman-hating comments get downvoted to hell. But I guess it's easier to write off a whole sub as bad than actually take part and see what it's all about.

[–]berluch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's pretty much the opposite of what TRP says. If your life sucks, it is your fault.

[–]fortyfourmag 452 points453 points  (24 children)

If the front page of reddit ever agrees with me I rethink things immediately.

[–]1wakethfkupneo 56 points57 points  (2 children)

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

[–]Bisuboy 87 points88 points  (1 child)

It's so sad how even the top posts in some science threads are some stupid puns

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

What's sadder is those threads that are just eternal inside jokes and one-ups that go on forever with hundreds of upvotes.

Edit: I'm just mad because I never get them because I don't watch How I Met Your Mother.

[–]gqtrees 18 points19 points  (3 children)

I dont like trp getting this much attention..this sub has grown. Before you could find valuable info quickly and efficiently. Now im starting to see retarded posts like how do you make friends....and other stupid posts i have to go through. I know now which users to look for and ask on here. But for the legit newbies its going to suck because they are going to start getting false advice and troll posts....

[–]jolly--roger 17 points18 points  (0 children)

and other stupid posts i have to go through

like what to listen to in the gym.

whenever TRP hits the front page a new influx of users occurs and, naturally, the noise-to-signal ratio increases.

[–]Claude_Reborn 20 points21 points  (8 children)

If the front page of reddit ever agrees with me I rethink things immediately

Mental patients and broken clocks are always right once in a while, but usually not.

[–]p3riod 17 points18 points  (6 children)

even a blind pig finds a truffle

a broken clock is right twice a day

Add them to your idioms

[–]JoDoStaffShow 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I've always heard 'even a blind squirrel finds a nut'. Dunno how many nuts we wanna be finding tho.

[–]fiat_lux_ 4 points5 points  (2 children)

"Blind cat catches dead mouse" is common in the East.

The "blind animal finds food" pattern of idioms is popular around the world.

[–]chewy_dragee 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Even Stevie Wonder finds a piano now and then.

[–]RP-on-AF1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's why I unsub the default subs

[–]2asd1100 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I do that with politics. If one of my views becomes a political issue I instantly doubt it.

[–]satanicpriest13 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I love most of the subs I follow, yet some good information from all of them, but some the comment section let's me down. One of my favourite, hilarious subreddit soaring this up on me once - trp? The don't lift. They're just a bunch of whiny losers who get no girls and are all bitter and hateful towards society. (something along these lines. )

[–]Gloamgeist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the front page of reddit ever agrees with me I rethink things immediately.

Seriously, if these people think the same way as you do you really know there's a problem.

[–]seethelight476 97 points98 points  (24 children)

Seriously, the red pill is the worst thread they could find?!

The hotwife, cuckold and incest forums come to mind as being the most fucked up.

[–]mister_barfly75 86 points87 points  (0 children)

No, no, no, that's all perfectly fine. It's ok to share pics of your woman having some other guy's cum leaking from her, that's a sexually mature thing, we're just neckbearded virgins who are angry, apparently.

[–]_pomona_ 38 points39 points  (3 children)

Oh don't get me started, Meta Reddit is so obnoxiously open minded about fetishes. I guess there are some unwritten rules I never bothered to learn because apparently it's ok to want to fuck your mom but not ok to think it's gross that someone else wants to fuck their mom.

[–]Diece 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Seepeopledie, femalecorpses come to mind as worse subreddits.

[–]XMATIC_4 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Its /r/cutefemalecorpses...

Source:experience

[–]frak_me_harder 33 points34 points  (0 children)

TIL people getting off to corpses that were brutally raped and murdered are better than the people that don't believe that all women are beautiful perfect creatures and blameless victims.

[–]TimPartendale 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Holy shit that subreddit is fucked up

[–]PedroIsWatching 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Not to mention beatingwomen, watchpeopledie, picsofdeadkids and all sorts of other fucked up nonsense.

[–]JovianTrainWreck 18 points19 points  (0 children)

For a minute I thought you guys were just making up those subreddit names... it's disturbing that you're not.

I knew there was a reason I never bothered with the rest of reddit. Alright, that's enough TRP for one night, this shit is flabbergasting

I hate that word, that's how flabbergasted I am

[–]tallwheel 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Do I have to point out again that /r/beatingwomen was a false flag subreddit?

[–]supitsLoki 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Some (generally) harmless fetishes are the worst to you when there are subs dedicated to dead people?

That's fucking retarded.

[–]Grainslol 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your comment made me immediately think of Rotherham; preserving the beta bux strategy is more important than actual human suffering.

[–]_fappycamper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Guys thinking it's hot to let other dudes fuck their wives???

[–]zwiebelsaft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We have morbid reality, WTF and watch people die, yet the red pill is the absolute scum of the earth. Good priorities, reddit. Good priorities.

[–]sarcastichornyfuck 103 points104 points  (43 children)

Wow im not completely convinced by TRP but it is not in the slightest bit saying women are the problem. All i've got from TRP so far is that i am lousy and need to improve To succeed at life and relationships. Whats so bad about that?

[–]Ferelden 58 points59 points  (15 children)

One thing I've noticed with people is that they almost never try to understand the message you're trying to send but the first few words you use to make it. The argument then becomes not what you're saying, but how you said it.

[–]1johnnight 13 points14 points  (1 child)

nuanced points vs simplistic truths

Most people can not hold a compound or complex sentence in their heads. Sometimes they do it on purpose to be outraged at you, to win the argument.

[–]antariusz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Simplistic truths actually is what brought me to the red pill. I instinctively KNEW things like hypergamy and AF/BB (if you're a beta orbiter around a girl, you'll know how much she'll fawn all over a hot asshole) ... but before the red pill, people only would speak AROUND the issue, or with such flowery language that it never really sunk in.

Put it in simple terms that even a moron like myself can understand it... and it just seems that much easier. The best part about theredpill subreddit is that people MOSTLY speak in simple terms and plain language. I would love to learn more dark triad strategy/tactics, but it's honestly pretty hard to get through the language of that sub.

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    [–]systemshock869 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    God the strawman is so frustrating. Especially in a live conversation. They try to force you to qualify your statements instead of providing any intelligible debate. That way if you're not rock-solid on all your points, they have made you look like a fool and won by default.

    Winning debates without actually debating is like winning the special olympics. Great job!

    [–]sarcastichornyfuck 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    Definitely, and it can become infuriating online when you have to type out an explanation to your previous arguments because the emotions, meaning, or whatever didn't come across right in your choice of words.

    [–]2asd1100 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    nuace makes you a party pooper! The internet is for circle jerks not common sense and learning new shit(thank you equality!)

    It honestly wasn't like this even 7-10 years ago, only since women have started being loud and proud has it evolved into this cesspool of self righteous uniformity.

    [–]Amorevolous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    People care too much about semantics that they can completely misunderstand what someone is trying to say.

    [–]circlhat 25 points26 points  (15 children)

    There is nothing wrong with women only our perception of women (TRP 101) in other words women are fine , its men that are the problem.

    Once we learn what women really want; they don't want abusers or to be treated like crap but a man that is in charge of his life and will take lead.

    Society teaches women about the exploitative nature of men, such as some men will only use you for sex.

    But they never teach boys that some women will use you for emotional support(Friend zone). A women has every right to do what she wants but a man has every right to move on.

    When I first started dating I believe that emotions were greater than sex and for a women they are. So I always tried to get to know the women as I felt I was just using her for sex if I didn't take her to dinner and show her that I cared more about sex.

    Now its reverse I sleep with women first than take them to dinner after I know they aren't trying to friend zone me because I make it quite clear I want a romantic relationship and not just emotional support or just sex but both.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorYouDislikeMyOpinion 10 points11 points  (14 children)

    Once we learn what women really want; they don't want abusers or to be treated like crap but a man that is in charge of his life and will take lead.

    Are you sure that they don't want to be treated like crap or abused? I've heard that some love being sex toys. I've heard that some like being treated like crap, verbatim from the horses mouth.

    Weird isn't it? Why do you think that is?

    [–]Twice-Two-Makes-Five 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    [–]JakofClubs 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Funny though, they don't want to be raped by any actual rapist, then want to be raped by Brad Pitt. They want to be told what to do, but they want to be told to do what they secretly desire but are ashamed of.

    [–]redkick 4 points5 points  (6 children)

    Are you sure that they don't want to be treated like crap or abused? I've heard that some love being sex toys. I've heard that some like being treated like crap, verbatim from the horses mouth.

    There's a difference between voluntarily playing out sexual fantasies and actual abuse. That's why there are safe words in BDSM.

    Also don't confuse people standing with their abusive partners with happy people. They're not, they just feel trapped in a complicated situation (even when it doesn't appear to be complicated for anyone with no emotional investment).

    [–]circlhat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Walking up to a women in spitting on her face , or beating her ass when she won't have sex with you is neither attractive or even legal.

    From a outside perspective I treat women like crap; let me explain

    Girl friend says she is not in the mood for sex and wants to take a break

    I say cool, but I'm still having sex with or without you?

    If she went to TwoX, they would say I'm abusive and a asshole for not respecting her wishes, thus the "Bad boy" Concept is born and people start thinking women like asshole.

    [–]Purecorrupt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Daddy / other issues. Fantasy/fetish wise I think in a lot of those cases comfort after the fact is still desired. Initial desire is probably only with someone they are comfortable with. Maybe its like tickling? It tickles if you don't want then to but it only feels like a touch if you are expecting and comfortable with it. Or I'm talking out my ass because I'm redditing at work.

    [–]Redrog1 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    There is the underlying implication with trp that men and women are different, at a biological level, including mental differences not only physical. This goes against feminist core dogma, not just some side issue, but their core (funnily enough science agrees with trp, but they don't care, patryarchy influence and all that shit). Thus why you see this deep and uninformed hate. Trp openly challenges one of their core believes. So when confronted they lash out in their eco chambers.

    [–]guy2435 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I agree with you. That is the core problem of feminists today, their concept of equality has this main flaw, they failed to account the basic biological and mental difference of the sexes, and the huge dynamic implication of those differences.

    If only they've read our Introduction, they would have come across the statement,

    It's too easy to blame feminism for our troubles.

    Men, our happiness is our responsibility. Culture has always shifted, it's dynamic and fluid. It has never and will never stay still.

    Feminism was inevitable. Equal rights are something I strongly am in support of. For men and women.

    Women have the right to pursue happiness. Nobody should tell them otherwise. Maximizing happiness is the goal of every living creature on this planet.

    They might understand that TRP wants happiness and equal rights for both sexes, we just have taken account the differences our genetic and psychological differences into the equation. If they have done this, TRP would not have existed.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 16 points17 points  (3 children)

    They see the posts where men like me say "never marry for any reason" as well as the comments about how girls are not the adorable Disney Princess™ they are said to be, and posts on the nature of women to branch swing, be hypergamous, and shit test often, and they themselves judge women and find them lacking. That we point it out rather than hide or stifle that information doesn't fit their paradigm, so obviously we hate women because we see them for what they are, a counterpart to us rather than someone to look up to.

    The reality of it is it's their judgment of women, not ours, that they find contemptible. I hold no judgment of women as to being good or bad, I simply see their inherent nature. I expect them to be who they are, just like I expect anything else in this world to follow its nature. They see female nature as bad, and therefore girls are bad, but that isn't how it works.

    [–]CoyoteCS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I agree completely with you. I don't know where I read this, but you reminded me of a quote I like. "Don't try and figure out women. Women know women, and they hate each other".

    [–]JakofClubs 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    "Never Marry" means the legal construct of marriage is fucked for men. It doesn't mean "never commit" to a woman or never enter a LTR. The RP haters haven't read enough to understand the nuance of the argument.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Not only that, but girls seem to think they are entitled to your commitment, and if you don't give it freely and only to her you're a misogynistic neckbeard. They demand the commitment but want to control the sex, doling it out as they see fit. The only commitment that matters to some is marriage, and they see no problem with getting cash and prizes if she decides to snuff the commitment.

    In that context, fuck yeah they will hate us.

    [–]youonlylive2wice 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    This is going to sound a bit off at first but hear me out. People hate this place because this place is about actual "self empowerment." While most liberal mindsets and movements preach that you're perfect the way you are and everyone else should change to approve of you, TRP talks about identifying what you want and care about and changing yourself in order to get it.

    We openly talk about people having different values and that different people will rate these values differently. Everyone isn't a 10, inside or out. A lot of people hate being told that, whether its true or not.

    Its not a "truth bomb" or some other catchy slogan, its the simple fact that we're apathetic to what others think and encourage active change vs passive voice.

    [–]2elysius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I believe the term you're looking for is Crab mentality.

    [–]hrm0894 204 points205 points  (45 children)

    Honestly, all those people are in denial.

    I used to have a gf back in high school and she dumped me 2 times. She would control me by being demanding and I would listen to her non stop. For over 6 years I have thought about her every single day, that is, until I found out about trp.

    After discovering this subreddit, I have learned why my ex broke up with me. It wasn't because I was ugly or not good enough for her, but simply because I was a little beta bitch. For years I would be sad and wonder "what did I do wrong?" After reading the sidebar and other posts on trp, everything began to click. I finally UNDERSTOOD why she broke up with me and moved the fuck on. I am also no longer mad at her for breaking up with me because now I understand her nature and why she did it. I now could not give a flying fuck about her, and that is all thanks to this subreddit.

    You all have taught me the nature of women and what they really want: a man who doesn't let petty shit phase him and a leader. I remember I was at the mercy of my gf and she broke up with me exactly because of that. A man who is in need of a woman is not an attractive trait at all. Women are in need of men and not the other way around.

    Trp gets a shit ton of hate but merely because people don't want to accept it as truth. 'Nice guys' stay nice guys because they think it's what a woman wants. But once they find out the truth(through trial and error) they will presumably accept it.

    Tl;dr : Trp is fucking legit and the only people against it are either betabucks or feminists or people that haven't been dumped(not yet at least) for being too beta.

    [–]1greatest_mistake 91 points92 points  (15 children)

    Well said. The funny thing about TRP is that when guys find it, they understand why things happened the way they did. But every dude can tell the same story, they were a nice guy and got shit on. It's no coincidence, not by a long shot.

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorWhisper 47 points48 points  (3 children)

    But every dude can tell the same story, they were a nice guy and got shit on. It's no coincidence, not by a long shot.

    Yep, oldest story ever told. After awhile, one has to realize that most of the stories here are variations on that.

    Nice guys get shit on. People either blame themselves forever, blame others forever, or eventually wise up and just STOP.

    [–]2 Mredpillschool 29 points30 points  (2 children)

    Beep boop. I am TRP BOT. Point given. Beeeep.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 41 points42 points  (9 children)

    Its as if there is a trend, or some kind of theme to it all.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorYouDislikeMyOpinion 28 points29 points  (3 children)

    It's as if all women share common traits. Who could have ever predicted that women are similar to each other.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    Aren't they all unique snowflakes, completely different from each other? Wouldn't that make them unequal?

    [–]jelloba 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    How dare you make an observation, come up with a hypothesis to explain it, test the hypothesis, and then gasp draw conclusions based on the results! You are literally, literally the most transhomoracistophobic person I've ever met.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Yeah and my daughter is gay and somewhat trans. Obviously I have a huge problem with non hetero types. Lol.

    [–]redpillerinnyc 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I hope she's going through a phase. It might just take a strong RP man to guide her out of it.

    [–]teeelo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Several guys find this and outright reject it. They go full feminist and help paint the Misognyist portrait with their fellow betas.

    [–]OakTr3E 15 points16 points  (5 children)

    It´s normal to hate the ideas here because it would, from a BP mindset almost always mean hating women (initially). But that´s only because the illusion of women "being like men when it comes to feelings and psyhcology".

    If you project your own man-psychology unto women then of course there will be cognitive dissonance. Having only partial knowledge will make men draw the false conclusion that women are, basically evil. Of course it is terrifying to believe that.

    Therefore, the red pill will be hard to swallow since it boils up anger inside ("Half of the world is abusing and manipulating me? And most of the other half support it? WTF?). But once you fully embrace it and start to reflect on the world with open eyes, when you understand women, you begin to enjoy, like and even love them again.

    You need the whole picture before you can enjoy women without getting broken hearted and abused. You also need it to maximize your chances to make a woman happy in a LTR. If you engage in a LTR with a woman, you owe it to her to understand her needs better than she does (IMHO, every man has different opinions ofc). She isn't independent and introspective. You posess that quality. Be thankful for it and lead her in life.

    That being said I personally don't know if I want a LTR. I can enjoy/love women on my terms. And I am thankful for it. With my old view of the world I would be bound to make me and my hypothetical LTR miserable in the end.

    And it´s silly for a BP person thinking they could convince a RP person to come back to the BP world again. Once you have swallowed the pill everything becomes so obvious to you. Following RP advice also works at least 10-fold better than any BP advice. BP nice guys who experience this change will never take mainstream advice seriously again. It will only be laughed at.

    One personal example would be "if you find the right woman, you probably wont feel the need to have sex with other women" or "if she isn't acknowledging you know. Keep trying. Maybe she wants to see if you really really like her. Keep trying and have patience and you will get her in the end". Or how about this one "I wish more guys could be sensitive and showing more emotions, like you. The girl who gets you will be really lucky!". To me this sounds similar to "But Santa really do exist!".

    [–]JakofClubs 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    I never really thought about this before but it makes me wonder how much men believe that women are good and nice because our first experience with women was out mothers who, on the whole, were good and nice and loved us unconditionally and accepted us unconditionally -- something you'll never find in another women. Kind of set you up with a skewed perception of women.

    [–]Doomblaze 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Mothers have a huge role to play in this. Authority figures in general I suppose, and mom being the ultimate one. They're the first ones in life to teach you be nice, to put girls on a pedestal, and to basically be beta. You believe them because you're young, they've taught you so many things in life, and this is just one of those things. Society then reinforces it to the point where it becomes the truth for you, and turns you into a nice guy.

    [–]OakTr3E 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    women are good and nice because our first experience with women was out mothers who, on the whole, were good and nice and loved us unconditionally and accepted us unconditionally -- something you'll never find in another women.

    Hmm. I know this but I actually haven't reflected upon what impact it had made on me. Maybe this could be linked to an evolutionary advantage? The unconditional love from a mother (she is genetically wired to love her son) conditions men to hold women in high regard. This makes it easier for women to find a provider. Which is a good dynamic for the human species.

    (Good example ;)) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1QIiqAXZo

    But you also need the strong individualist who have special qualities that are better than the rest given the current environment (the alpha). If men didn't undergo this conditioning we would have too many alphas and the social dynamic of the species would be too volatile (too many competing alphas). An important aspect of the survivability and success of the human species is social stability. With unconditional love from the mother, most men undergo conditioning that prevents them from "fucking around" and rather pedestalizing women. Using their male energy to provide resources for women (and in turn society) without creating too much conflict between individuals.

    Men are overt and overt conflict has disastrous effect. Women are covert and covert conflict can still maintain stability. Although a tense stability, it is stability nonetheless.

    For the species it's good. For the individual male, he gets the short end of a biological bargain without being aware of it. He draws the shortest straw, but for the benefit of the human race.


    One more thing to add. During luxury states of society. When there is an abundance of resources. Women get more power (feminism is a display of too much female power) since resources naturally are transferred to women (because of mens biological programming to do so in conjunction with the mother reinforcing that behaviour by being loving, caring and loyal - portraying a misleading image of women). This means their influence over men gets more powerful and hence men get too betaized. This is when this human trait spirals out of control. But from an evolutionary perspective it´s not as important because when there is luxury rather than hardship, it doesn't matter if procreation stagnates. It won't make the human species go extinct. We can tolerate a setback at that point of the societal cycle. A trait/dynamic that has more benefits than drawbacks will be selected for, not against.

    Instead of extinction it rather leads to hardships (at this point in time it leads to a crashing economy and declining birth rates). When hardship arises less resources are created and therefore women get less resources. This in turn leads to less power to women and increased needs and respect for men to (re)build society. Hence less bullshit/shit testing from women and more inclination from women to treat men respectfully and to be thankful for what we can offer (otherwise they won't survive hardships - less power means more appreciation for being taken care of). This makes it easier for men to be more alpha. Because women dont have the same power to betaize us any longer (men will know that they are valuable and women will also realize this). And so the cycle restarts...

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 33 points34 points  (4 children)

    because people don't want to accept it as truth.

    Because of comfort > truth for many people.

    With TRP comes the realization that power is ultimate and people are not inherently good. People don't like that so they stay in their bubble.

    [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 27 points28 points  (2 children)

    I always knew that side of the story, and I believe they do to.

    In my opinion they hate the fact, that once you accept reality, you also have to accept, that even if you didn't win the genetic lottery and if you are on the ground, it is all up to you, what you make out of it.

    Accepting and unplugging means tearing down all the strawmen you can blame for your fate and taking the pilot seat.

    With this comes responsibility, and most people, especially women, do not like to have responsibility, because, as the word indicates, you can also be held responsible, and in this case, you have to hold yourself responsible. That's much harder than blaming the evil, christian, straight, white men, since that, even if you chose to self-improve, still leaves space for endless procrastination.

    Now here's the twist: They do know all of this too, and they hate to be reminded of their pathetic and lazy way of life.

    You will also have to question everything else you've ever been told in your life, if you accept, that you've been lied to about the mating game, which can be a difficult and hurting process.

    [–]2elysius 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Now here's the twist: They do know all of this too, and they hate to be reminded of their pathetic and lazy way of life.

    Bingo. That's why they get so angry. Your very existence as an RP man is a narcissistic blow to them. It's one thing being born undesirable, one can learn to live with that. But seeing other undesirables learning how to play the game and come out on top, it feels like cheating to them (which is why they love to say RP is manipulation, abuse, etc). They could do it, too, but they are afraid that they are not men enough to change, and so they hate you for living your life in a way that highlights the cowards they are.

    [–]newlifeasredpill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    This perfectly explains the fact that EVERYONE in your life freaks out as you begin unplugging. When they see you making strides through your own efforts and when they see your complaining stop as there is no one to blame but yourself....people are afraid of what this means in terms of their own existence

    [–]Energy-Dragon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I agree, there are many selfish and over-controlling people (women and men alike), who should be just ignored or countered some way. TheRedPill is not some sort of "death-cult" as hamsters paint it, but it is a theory and practice of assertiveness.

    [–]RAGING_ERECTION 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    It's because their beliefs are SO ingrained and so deeply rooted that if you question (or attack) their beliefs, they see it as if you are attacking them personally.

    I can fully relate to your story too, I was in the exact same position. I was unhappy and unsuccessful with girls for years. I started piecing things together myself and RP just confirmed everything.

    There's a famous quote that goes something like "The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again expecting different results".

    How many times do you have to get shit on by women before you change something?

    [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I would periodically, every couple of years get incredibly attached to a girl. Fall in absolute love with her and got a huge case of oneitis, because, "she was different".

    Since discovering the redpill (this year) and PUA (3 years ago), I don't think it's possible for me to have oneitis anymore.

    The funny thing is, most of these girls were below my SMV then, and I didn't even realize it. Compared to now, they're nowhere near what I can do. I even had one old oneitis get -incredibly- jealous when I attended her wedding because her much hotter cousin (who I had dated at one point briefly - without knowing she was the cousin) and I were flirting a lot.

    I even had an old grandmother (!!!!!!!) come over when we were talking and unbutton the top button on my shirt, while the bride (my ex oneitis) kept hovering around.

    Any person who puts the time in will see a huge difference in perspective, and nobody can really convince you otherwise. The difference is obvious and palpable.

    [–]SwissPablo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This is it. When my last LTR ended I was left wondering what went wrong. As far as I could see there was no problem, things were going along great. What did I do wrong? TRP helped me understand the dynamics of relationships, and whilst I'm not there yet I feel more informed and in control of my love life. Maybe this is why people hate TRP.

    [–]wakingslowdiver 19 points20 points  (1 child)

    This is how I found the Pill. Some guy on AskReddit, ''these guys are literally Hitler''. Figured what reddit hates with a passion ought to be good. Hey nice a subreddit with guys who think exactly like me, and see feminism for the bullshit that it is. Never looked back since. Thanks reddit!

    [–]TheRealMewt 38 points39 points  (3 children)

    I remember seeing a different comment tree the last time I saw that thread. It quoted a top post on TRP saying the following:

    Guys in the “my man went Red Pill and ruined our relationship” Reddit posts probably aren’t actually going to internet sites to get an instruction manual for how to piss off their girlfriends. They’re just normal guys who know in the pit of their stomach that something is wrong – that they’re wasting their lives, and that they’re not happy. It’s not their girlfriends’ fault, it’s theirs. And they decide one day, for whatever reason, to try to take control of their lives, of their relationships, and build something they’re actually proud of. And steps 1 and 2 of that process involve asserting yourself and living the way you want, and expecting the people with whom you associate (e.g., your woman) to add value to your life equal to the value you’re expending. The rest of the world shorthands that behavior as “being an asshole,” and “ruining relationships.” How sad is that? Honestly and confidently pursuing the life you want, and expecting others to hold up their end of a relationship is the new Hitler.

    Sounds fairly reasonable to see that something is wrong in a relationship, fix themselves, and set standards for the bonds you share with the people in your life.

    The responses include TRP needing therapy, being unable to appreciate affection, and having stockholm syndrome...

    [–]1independentmale 45 points46 points  (2 children)

    Men who are in happy relationships don't come to TRP seeking to change things up. If your woman treats you great and you're happy with her and everything is wonderful, why would you be on the Internet researching techniques for dealing with her?

    When a woman says her man went RP and ruined their relationship, what she means is he ruined the super sweet deal that bitch had going on at his expense. This is why they're pissed off. This is why they hate us more than subs with pics of dead babies. We're helping men reclaim their dignity and take back their lives and that comes at the expense of the women who are using and abusing them.

    Men are fucking miserable these days. Every guy I know who is in a relationship feels mediocre at best about the whole deal. The poor married fuckers have it the worst, they feel trapped and helpless. If women weren't completely stomping all over us, this movement wouldn't exist. They have only themselves to blame.

    [–]2elysius 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    If women weren't completely stomping all over us, this movement wouldn't exist. They have only themselves to blame.

    That's only true to some extent. Remember, your woman (and everyone else) will only treat you the way you deserve to be treated. The RP is about us becoming the men who deserve to be treated the way we want to, not blaming others for our situation.

    But yes, the girls who whine when that sweet BB deal they had going on falls through do only have themselves to blame.

    [–]youonlylive2wice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You're right. I'm married and fucking love it and my wife. But I still come here, and not to change things up. I'm here as a reminder to never stop improving. She pushes and challenges me to do new things and I do the same with her, but this place is the perfect reminder that I need to constantly push myself too.

    But your second paragraph is fucking dead on. We promote active change of self, not passively trying to change other people. We admit we're not perfect and neither is anybody else. But perfection isn't necessary, what's necessary is the constant attempt at improving self, reaching towards that self defined perfection. That last part is the part many hate. Being told they're not perfect just the way they are and they should try and improve themselves.

    "Only God can judge me" blah blah blah, piss right the fuck off. I can and will judge you based on your words and even more so actions. If you don't like the judgements I make, go away, or change yourself to force me to reevaluate my opinions.

    [–]the_real_chronos 62 points63 points  (8 children)

    These posts are always effective advertisements for the pill, because any man worth his mettle will want to find out what we are all about, and if reason abounds, his universe will just have expanded immensely, and another man will have awoken from the feminine control grid known as modern society.

    Keep bringing them to us, we will make a man out of all those who are worthy of virtue.

    [–]Flareprime 34 points35 points  (5 children)

    I found this sub via it being bashed somewhere and checking it out.

    [–]houdinisleftasscheek 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    I can guarantee its a twox woman who wrote it. Not surprised tho for them making decisions based on emotions is more ratiional than actually any logical argument.

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorWhisper 52 points53 points  (2 children)

    Brace yourself ...

    ... a wave of new subscribers is coming.

    [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (3 children)

    Straight from the Matrix
    "As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly ninety-nine percent of the test subjects accepted the program provided they were given a choice - even if they were only aware of it at a near-unconscious level. While this solution worked, it was fundamentally flawed, creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that, if left unchecked, might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those who refused the program, while a minority, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster."

    The system works because beta ass bitches keep beta ass bitching. An enlightened society is dangerous to the status-quo

    [–]CaptainPolaris 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Haha wow. I didn't even like the sequels, but man what an accurate quote.

    [–]ggqq 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    they weren't well directed, but the philosophy behind them is dope. Plato's allegory of the cave. Does it really matter who is enlightened and who isn't? You might feel you're so much better than those beta bitches (and maybe you are) but aren't there higher levels of truth?

    [–]Endorsed ContributorYouDislikeMyOpinion 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    it's pretty fucking atrocious and enables abusers to be abusive, and convinces men who aren't getting laid that the problem isn't them but women

    Translation: The female imperative is the correct path for life for men if they want the pussy.

    Fortunately many men here swallowed the pill and live exclusive of the female imperative to various degrees. And it's working out just great. I have time for friends, family, work, etc. And the sex has never been better in terms of what I can get. Hypergamy is a fickle bitch, and now we can use it for our very own selfish purposes.

    [–]JakofClubs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    ...convinces men who aren't getting laid that the problem isn't them but women

    This is the exact opposite of the truth. TRP says if you aren't getting laid, the problem is you, so go improve yourself.

    [–]a_nus 23 points24 points  (6 children)

    it's pretty fucking atrocious and enables abusers to be abusive, and convinces men who aren't getting laid that the problem isn't them but women

    Where do they get this info? I'm genuinely curious. The only two sources I can think of are other comments, or they make it up. I've been browsing this sub for over a year now and I have never come across anyone condoning or "enabling" abuse. I guess if you define game as abuse then you could claim that. But in that case go nuke /r/seduction before this sub

    convinces men who aren't getting laid that the problem isn't them but women

    Completely opposite of what is said here. "Yo bro, you're skinny as fuck, socially awkward, and have low self-esteem. That chick that doesn't like you is a fucking feminist cunt" said no one. We'd actually encourage that poor beta soul to improve himself to the point where he might attract some women.

    Goes to show how much people hating on this sub actually know about the topic. I'd be surprised if more than 5% of the hate comments actually did their homework before hating. I wonder why that doesn't happen? Oh yeah, because most of our new members are people who, before hating, decide to actually look into this material and realize it's all true. Maybe not always pretty, but true, and very useful.

    [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    Where do they get this info? I'm genuinely curious. The only two sources I can think of are other comments, or they make it up.

    They're just circlejerking. Most of the people are making judgments about this sub based on what they've heard about it.

    It's either that, or they take things out of context and grossly misunderstand things.

    The first time I found out about TRP was when someone linked here and said we advocate raping women. They linked to some post that was talking about how you should "take" women and be aggressive.

    [–]2asd1100 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    For a lot of women and most blue pillers even saying "no" is abuse.

    The cultural expectancy is life in servitude. Conversely a woman's value is intrinsic and you should never expect anything. More than that is patriarchal.

    They do the homework, but trust me, hearing the red pill is a cultural shock to big to comprehend.

    It's like making the argument for indian rape laws, you can create a reasonably sound argument but even supporting such a position makes you disengage from your audience.. In a culture of uniformity disagreement is in it's self a self-detonating ad hominem that will supercede your reason. Culturally, we are just as ignorant as in medieval times, but where once was god, not there is post existential idealism.

    [–]1tombreck2[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    To the rest of the world 'dread game' is considered abuse

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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      [–]1tombreck2[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      It is abusive - to you.

      You tell her she can go hang out with him all she wants but she will have to find a new boyfriend.

      [–]nanovirus2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      askreddit: "You are without a doubt, the worst subreddit I've ever heard of."

      RP: "But you have heard of me."

      [–]UrRealDad 17 points18 points  (2 children)

      If every man swallowed "The Red Pill", women would lose their most prized asset: The Beta Male Orbiter. Who would praise their duck faced "Selfies"? Who would provide the life affirming validation they need to face the world another day?!? No one. They would shrivel and die in a heap of self-doubt.

      [–]redkick 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      To be fair, our society also would cease to function. It's impossible to have a working social structure when everyone is an alpha.

      That's why I don't promote TRP, it would be detrimental to my personal goals.

      [–]heist_of_saint_graft 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Even if everyone "knew" about TRP, 80% of men would still be betas. Behavioural changes, even if adopted by all, would normalize, and females would go back to selecting on natural alpha attributes (height, shoulder width, etc.)

      Hypergamy grades on a curve. That curve is 80-20.

      [–]CSMastermind 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      convinces men who aren't getting laid that the problem isn't them but women

      That is literally the opposite of what is said here. The entire philosophy of this sub is based around the idea that if you aren't getting laid you need to improve yourself.

      [–]Gigem_longhorns 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It amuses me though. Their idea of a toxic environment is one that redistributes blame.

      "It's ok for women to blame men, but when we imagine men are blaming women (and haven't even verified it) it is unacceptable."

      -Fembot 8999

      [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

      We have this discussion all the time, but yeah, every time I see people bashing TRP, it's mostly strawmen, misunderstandings, and responding to tone rather than content.

      People we consider blue pill have a very different view of human nature. When it comes to love, sex, and relationships, their fundamental perspective is that these things just happen, and trying to manipulate the outcome is inherently evil.

      I think the core disagreement is that attempting to manipulate other people, especially in matters of love, is a huge sin.

      All of us here take social manipulation for granted. Merely by living in society, you're playing the game whether you want to or not. My view is that people should accept this, and attempt to create situations where everyone wins.

      For example there's a top post of all time here arguing that TRP is pro-woman. We're giving women (and men) what they want--what they really want, and not what they think they want. We're giving people social tools to help them in matters of love in order to ultimately become happier. I find it bizarre that people believe this is offensive and wrong.

      A hammer can be used to bash skulls. Fortunately, the vast majority of people are not violent psychopaths, so people don't use hammers for this purpose. They use hammers to build things that make their lives better.

      That's what we're trying to do here, make people's lives better.

      [–]therealman777 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      they dont think /r/philosophyofrape is more offensive or 'wrong' than here?

      they must secretly enjoy the rape.

      [–]burningdandelion 15 points16 points  (3 children)

      Same here, if reddit wasn't bashing on TRP I would've never found it. It's a rule that everyone knows in all forms of industry, no press is bad press.

      [–]Koanin 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      When EMSK bashed us we got 2k subscribers

      [–]bienvinido 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Only 2k? That was the top thread of the front page for like a day or two. I read somewhere we got at least 10k out of that one.

      [–]JackGoldsteinWrites 15 points16 points  (6 children)

      The basic idea behind TRP is that relationships between men and women have to be inherently antagonistic. Supposedly, women are all unfaithful gold digging succubi who only seek to control and exploit men....and only choose partners for economical benefits.

      Well....it's not that they are, it's that they all can be. But once you learn to work with that, it's not that bad :p

      But at least we're also honest about men too - we are all horn dogs who want to impregnate everything that moves and about 75% of our decision to approach/open is based on looks.

      Somewhere along the way, if we're honest between sexes, we realize the deal we're making is "I won't fuck everything that moves" for "You won't trade me in for a richer guy".

      [–]Redrog1 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      But at least we're also honest about men too

      Somewhere along the way, if we're honest between sexes, we realize the...

      Implying women value honesty over fun, wealth or social standing, you should know better (obligatory check what they do not what they say).

      Women will even consider you low value if you are too honest. The different need of honesty in male vs female groups took me a while to get.

      [–]JackGoldsteinWrites 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I'm talking about being honest amongst each other (those who participate in the Sub).

      [–]Newdist2 16 points17 points  (1 child)

      convinces men who aren't getting laid that the problem isn't them but women

      Wrong. This place is all about self improvement. If the problem is you, you will be told to stop whining and fix yourself.

      [–]rebuildingMyself 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      I would say the problem is bluepills perception of women (innocent, wouldn't cheat, divorce-rape is over exaggerated, false rapes don't real, likes the nice guys over the alpha thugs, taking their dating advice, etc)

      [–]cascadecombo 13 points14 points  (3 children)

      convinces men who aren't getting laid that the problem isn't them but women

      This part is really amusing, because the first thing people should be grasping here is that the problem is with the guy. It always will be up to us to rework how we do shit.

      [–]holzy444 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      When people say stuff like this you know they know nothing about TRP

      [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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        [–]RiseAboveRuin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Court Attention at all Cost - Law 6

        [–]LittleCrazee 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        The basic idea behind TRP is that relationships between men and women have to be inherently antagonistic. Supposedly, women are all unfaithful gold digging succubi who only seek to control and exploit men, are incapable of love, and only choose partners for economical benefits.

        They are incorrect in surmising that these concepts are the basic idea behind TRP but they are not wrong in thinking that this sort of ideology is rampant in TRP.

        I for one think that people saying that we need to use radical, generalizing language to shock new users out of their complacency and to lift the veil from their eyes are wrong. By and large, the new users are here because the veil has been lifted and they already believe to some degree. They've been fucked over and are angry already. Further inciting their underlying anger is counterproductive in my opinion and just makes them wallow in their anger longer and thus makes me pissy because half of the posts are just whiny shit about how terrible women are and wah wah wah feminism. I get that those posts serve a purpose and I get that they will likely always be a part of TRP but I don't think we really need to encourage them.

        I think this need to speak in over the top generalities and ridiculous hyperbole only serves to make TRP look like zealots and misogynists.

        [–]RichieFinn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        its nice to know we beat out subreddits about "beautiful dead women corpses" and "sexy aborted fetuses".

        shows how backwards the world is.

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          [–]redkick 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          I figure that's the only way these TRP-haters are coming to such strange conclusions about what this subreddit is about. There's no way they could have looked at anything here.

          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          it's pretty fucking atrocious and enables abusers to be abusive, and convinces men who aren't getting laid that the problem isn't them but women

          Both are the problem, but we can only fix ourselves, we can't fix how fucking flawed women are.

          [–]J2501 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          I've been kicked out of other forums, most notably r/anarchism and r/socialism, simply for being a contributor to TRP.

          This only convinced me that reddit has an extremely liberal bias. I am neither liberal nor conservative, but decidedly centrist, as I have spent a lot of time studying bias, and trying to avoid it.

          I keep telling people, "If you want to lose your faith in extreme liberal ethos, lurk reddit for awhile. Bunch of pipe-dreaming censorist hippie-crits."

          [–]Lt_Muffintoes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          convinces men who aren't getting laid that the problem isn't them but women

          Hahaahahahahaha. If I go to an auto forum and say "hey, when I try and crank start my Bughatti Veyron, nothing happens, what gives?" is it "anti-car" and "there's nothing wrong with what I'm doing" to tell me that I should try the ignition instead?

          [–]blutrot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          ...and convinces men who aren't getting laid that the problem isn't them but women

          Rather interesting how backward this claim is. It's not a different viewpoint or spin, it's simply the diametric opposite of what is true.

          [–]Koanin 10 points11 points  (7 children)

          The people who insult TRP don't understand what it's about. They see a hate post like this, read a bad comment or two or maybe a hardcore truth that they're not ready for and then don their armor and get the hell out and go on repreaching to the rest of reddit the ignorant opinions that they hardly formed for themselves about how we are all bitter and misogynistic.

          [–]popthatpill 16 points17 points  (5 children)

          I think you're being naive in taking their criticisms at face value. Women hate TRP for the entirely obvious, entirely self-serving reason that they don't want men finding out about their sociosexual strategy. Talk of "misogyny" and "abuse" (etc, etc, etc) are just a thin moral veneer so they can hamster away the idea that men have the right to learn about female sociosexual strategy.

          [–]Koanin 4 points5 points  (4 children)

          I am sad to say that I agree with you, perhaps I am taking it a bit too seriously and it's something that I will have to work on.

          Maybe they hate it because we call it how it is and they hate that about themselves and then project that hatred onto us.

          [–]zwiebelsaft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          This is very very much true. A great example is tumblrinaction, where they often mock the red pill yet spout the same exact opinions found on RP or RPW in other posts.

          [–]1renzy77 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          The basic idea behind TRP is that relationships between men and women have to be inherently antagonistic.

          If that isn't the biggest case of projection I've ever seen...

          Feminism has spent the last half-century making the "relationships between men and women ... inherently antagonistic."

          [–]demoneyes905 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          At this point, I feel some TRPers are writing these comments as a way to troll people into coming to this subreddit.

          Maybe I'm a bit naive but I haven't really found the level of hate for this subreddit that others have seen. Maybe its because I subscribe to mostly self improvement and productive subreddits. shrugs

          [–]1tombreck2[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          A wise man once said "If the front page of reddit agrees with me then I know I'm doing something wrong'

          [–]Gigem_longhorns 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Shit, I thought that cat was adorable too.

          [–]ConfidenceMatters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Those who are worthy will check it out and increase their quality of life one-hundred fold.

          Those who are repulsed have manginas clearly allergic to the truth.

          [–]1ThumpNuts 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          How is /r/conservative not #1?!?

          ...and how do so many people know about r/theredpill?

          [–]1tombreck2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          It's not so many people; it's the people who are on reddit all day and know all the inside jokes and reddit 'culture'

          [–]johnskiddles 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Really trp is worse than a place like /r/CoonTown? Color me suprised.

          [–]1tombreck2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Doesn't reddit have a policy against hateful subs

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          If TRP was really ineffective and demonstrably wrong no one would pay us mind, except as an offhand joke now and then.

          Instead we get the rage and vitriol of all of reddit. Only fear elicits that kind of response.

          [–]1redpillbanana 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Disagreement is fine. Censorship is what sucks.

          [–]SrPildoraRoja 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Better this way. Eventually a few of them may realize there's truth in TRP, they'll come here and we'll help them, because it's what we do. For now, the fact that they think like this gives us great advantage both in the SMP and in Life, which isn't bad either.

          [–]Lipophobicity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Nice, that means we hit 100,000 about 2 weeks faster. Thanks Reddit

          [–]thredditsowaway 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          "that the problem isn't them but women"

          Are these people fucking retarded? The Blue Pill pushers are the ones who constantly kept preaching "she's just a girl and she still likes boys, you're a REAL MAN and she'll come around eventually!"

          The Red Pill came along and said "shh... first, lift this and put it down five times. The problem is you."

          [–]juanqunt 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Only the curious and the open minded thinker could accept the red pill... the haters have already overdosed on the blue pill.

          [–]BlatantTRPThrowaway 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I got sold on TRP almost immediately after all the feminazis and SJWs started hating on it during the Elliiot Rodger shootings. And when a tragedy where 4/6 of the victims are men triggers hashtag campaign dedicated to women whining about being catcalled and booty-slapped in da club, well...you're witnessing one Hell of a glitch in the matrix.

          This sort of "what do you disagree with?" stuff is similar: People are bashing TRP but don't even get what they are bashing.

          [–]my-redpillthrowaway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          convinces men who aren't getting laid that the problem isn't them but women

          Wow the person who made this comment is so much in denial. TRP advises men to lift get a better job, to stand up for themselves, give up useless hobbies like video games and porn. Basically it convinces men to work on themselves....the first thing I read on TRP is that if you aen't getting laid, the problem is YOU not women.

          [–]rymdsylt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          people disagree with trp since it doesn't fit their way of viewing the world, much like people used to disagree with the world not being flat or that the earth isn't in the center of the galaxy.

          once there's enough mainstream proof that trp works and is true, there won't be as much hating on trp. that probably won't come until the feminism-craze has cooled off

          [–]_fappycamper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          That's how I found out about it. This is hilarious.

          [–]gt35r 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Lol when I went into that thread I control F'd immediately. I knew I would see the red pill somewhere. It's hilarious how people who have no idea what the sub actually is speak their mind like they know what it is. And nobody can think for themselves anymore, replies to that were "Well no point for me to ever go in there." etc...Think for yourself people, if you want to see what the fuck a sub is about, do some research and READ. But we're all just rapists and sexless virgins so what do I know.

          [–]Admirations 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Hi guys, I'm new here, but have been reading for a long time now, and have been wanting to say a few things, but this issue is the first one that really struck home on a new level. We ALL know that red pill is hated by a lot of people, we often claim denial as a factor, or sheer refusal to even acknowledge the information we put out. Often times, when people reject something without even taking time to consider what they are rejecting it is because they have self doubt and or fear that they might actually agree with what is being said. I can personally say that I have struggled with that on several issues here and with other important political topics of this era. I myself am 20 years old and currently studying philosophy at university as my major among other things. What I really wanted to say is that Red Pill will always be attacked, and the best way to defend ourselves is by finding their arguments and exploiting their weaknesses; and the cool thing is that we already have all the information we need in order to do that. With the information in the sidebar we have almost anything we need to show fallacies and premise flaws in almost any argument someone who disagrees with us can throw out there. It is important though, that we keep Red Pill frame at all time. We cannot act defensive, we must act strong. In order to prove an argument wrong we need only show either a counterexample that fits the same type of argument they are shoving in our faces, or present a flaw in one of the premises of their arguments. Logic is on our side in this case, but we have to remember that as soon as we show they have a flaw in their argument we have to stop. We cannot show that we are on the defensive, we have to prove to them that we are confident enough in what we know to be true that we don't attack them back. It is very easy to fall for that trap, and that's what they want. They want to see one of us take the bait of falling for one of their straw man arguments and counter it with an even harder fallacy. That's how to lose the game right there. As soon as we try and make a point with a fallacy they have all they need to introduce doubt into everything they offer. To sum things up I will say it like this. When non-RPers attack what we know to be true, simply find flawed logic in their argument and stop. There is no need to give them any more than that, we have all the knowledge necessary to defend our beliefs readily available on the side bar, so use it to your advantage, but never extend anything more than what is necessary to stop their argument in its tracks.

          Also I just thought of a great example, someone in the original thread was mocking us by out of context citing the line "rape isn't the problem accusations of false rape are", where the speaker is using a straw man argument to accuse us of not seeing rape as a problem. A great way to respond to this would be to turn this right back around on them. "Do you not see false rape accusations as a problem?".

          [–]ufd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          it's pretty fucking atrocious and enables abusers to be abusive, and convinces men who aren't getting laid that the problem isn't them but women

          Quite the opposite is true. If the commenter of that particular pearl of wisdom had bothered to do some further reading, he/she would have realized that TRP explains the modus operandi of women and does not blame women for being women; that BP approaches do not work and what works in reality.

          As RP men, we know that the only person we have control to change is ourselves.

          We are the one's standing in our own way.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I found this sub from some guy saying he comes here to laugh at us.

          It's since reinvigorated my taste for life and women.

          [–]biz20 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          This is exactly like one if Patrice Oneals main ideas about women. Hate and love are the same , it's just passion (which if you get into it, is at the core of Buddhism). They HATE this place because they CARE, because they know this shit works. When a guy tries out shit they learned here on them in the street, they LOVE it. When guys openly discuss techniques and accurately breakdown women's nature, then they don't like it, but wrap that shit up in a package of a fantasy world they can get swept up in, then they love it. It's hilarious, really.

          [–]NeopolitanAfterglow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Same with me. The reason I found it is because of criticism. I'm betting that's how the majority of members found it.

          Don't these people understand "there's no such thing as bad publicity"? Keep the criticism coming as far as I'm concerned.

          [–]tallwheel 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          I found this sub through someone complaining about it as well, but to be fair, I was already involved in the men's rights and "manosphere" community by then, so I had already swallowed a large portion of the pill before even coming here.

          I wonder what it's like to find this sub before the rest of the manosphere. TRP definitely doesn't go down easy when it is taken all at once...

          [–]teeelo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          If anyone is interested in a couple hundred easy Upvotes head over to /r/twoxchromosomes, or /r/trollxchromosomes and make a post blasting TRP.

          Then, for extra luls, after you get the massive upvotes edit your post saying what a great resource TRP is for men and women everywhere.

          [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Wait, this isn't true?

          women are all unfaithful gold digging succubi who only seek to control and exploit men, are incapable of love, and only choose partners for economical benefits.

          Well I for one am glad that person set me straight! I might not have gotten married again!

          Sarcasm is fun. So are Poes.

          [–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          why change? when you can hate on the subs that have groups of people trying to better themself.

          [–]holzy444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I love to see the butt hurt. If the general population agrees with everything you think you might wanna reevaluate.

          [–]Redpillc0re 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Come on, confess, who of you did this? I mean, it's great advertising and all, but do we want to convert all the betas of the world? :)

          [–]TheRealMouseRat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I'm guessing that thread will bring an influx of new redpillers, so perhaps someone should make a introthread or something, pointing people to the sidebar and such.

          [–]sway_usa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Good. That should gives us a decent little boost in subscribers, as it always does. Thanks guys!

          [–]Karol754 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Some people want to be oblivious, if I was weak like most beta men on reddit I would want to live in their fantasy land, the truth is hard and tough and not many can accept it for what it is.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I think it was George Carlin who said "think of how dumb the average person is, then realize half of em are even dumber."

          [–]1exit_sandman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The basic idea behind TRP is that relationships between men and women have to be inherently antagonistic. Supposedly, women are all unfaithful gold digging succubi who only seek to control and exploit men, are incapable of love, and only choose partners for economical benefits.

          Well, it is a pretty apt description of lots of the stuff you find here. Though I dare to say redpill is more about either recognizing and then avoiding these relationships or, if you find yourself trapped in one, how to handle it.