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[–]reddiforlove 90 points91 points  (30 children)

I remember being so shocked as a kid that girls felt that way about Draco. He literally was written to represent everything that is wrong with the world and to have no redeeming qualities whatsoever. He wasn't intelligent, physically strong, or talented in any way. Looking back, it's actually hilarious how RedPill affirming the situation actually is.

As long as you have resources and hold frame, women couldn't care less what type of a person you are. It's a safe bet that the majority of women would be more likely to break up with a guy who got laid off than a guy who cheats on them and uses them as a punching bag.

[–]brotherjustincrowe 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Agreed 100%, Draco has few if any alpha traits. Whiny, smarmy, daddy's boy trust-fund kid, he pretty much runs away crying when Hermione hits him and pussies out in front of the Death Eaters. His dad might qualify as a DT alpha, broadly speaking.

Anyway, analyzing RP traits in fictional characters is a pretty big waste of time, unless you're looking at fandom reactions to them (i.e. Sephiroth, Heath Ledger's Joker)

[–]reddiforlove 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah, I agree about Lucius being a full on DT alpha, Draco would have been a much more successful villain had *he inherited any of his dad's DT traits other than narcissism.

[–]Amorevolous 2 points3 points  (0 children)

DT for sure, except for the fact that he has a raging broner for You-Know-Who.

[–]choikwa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

fucking politics and mindgames - the things that attract women. Power.

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    [–]reddiforlove 9 points10 points  (6 children)

    It's funny you say that I write him off, because I'm also typically a fan of the "evil" characters, in fact Snape was my favorite. I can definitely relate to being a bratty kid, but I just found nothing remotely redeemable about Draco. He was a little ball of unwarranted cruelty and arrogance that contributed nothing positive to anyone else. Basic human decency seemed to be a huge struggle for him. He did have one moment of surprising competence when he trapped Harry on the train at the beginning of Book 6, but he definitely made up for that with his bumbling throughout the rest of the book. I found nothing to empathize with, as a man or otherwise.

    Snape, on the other hand, had a reason for turning to evil (revenge), was probably one of the most intelligent characters in the series, had the stomach to do what was necessary, and was bitter about not getting affection from Harry's hypergamous mother, who can't empathize with that?

    Dinobot was easily my favorite in Beast Wars. Vegeta was cool but never a favorite of mine, Piccolo is the greatest.

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      [–]reddiforlove 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Hahaha, again funny you should mention that, as I am probably the biggest proponent of subs over dubs you will ever meet. It makes such a huge difference to watch something in its original language, with the voices of the actors who were cast by the producer of the show. You can definitely hear the venom just dripping from Piccolo's voice with his Japanese actor, Vegeta sounded totally different too.

      Yeah, unfortunately it's easy to forget about Piccolo, he didn't get to shine much after the first two arcs or so. I haven't seen the new movies yet, but I hope he gets some good fights in them.

      [–]betabux 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Beast Wars was great, Dinobot was a great character.

      But my favorite will always be Megatron, that charming ambitious evil leader.

      [–]Audunis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Only Beast Wars Megatron. The other Megatrons are too incompetent.

      [–]Mans_Right_To_Choose 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I've always identified with villains too. I think I like movies with good villains. Iago from Othello is a personal favorite (Kenneth Branaugh portrayal ftw).

      [–]genbill91 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Fucking Vegeta. Is it bad that I always slightly wanted to see Vegeta finally beat the shit out of Goku?

      [–]Philhelm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      The villains were almost always better in cartoons and such. Who's cooler, a buff dude with a shitty medieval prince haircut or a fucking hooded skeleton? A bunch of soldiers dressed like the Village People or a terrorist leader with a raspy voice?

      [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I believe Dinobot is my favorite of all, closely followed by Vegeta

      Exactly the same as me. I always favored the anti-hero types and some villains.

      Maybe that some subconscious shit going in my head.

      [–]2jagrmeister721 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Well, here are we are villifying women for being attracted to immoral shits, and quite a few men also look up to villain characters. Some people are narrow-mindedly opportunistic and put power over values; no matter what their gender.

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        [–]2jagrmeister721 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yes they are so "complex" and often have nuanced backstories, and they are mad at their daddy. They have sophisticated critiques about society, morality, corruption, the government which somehow justify their fiendish, self-serving plans. They look out for #1, don't take shit from anyone, and don't play by the rules. Both men and women are drawn to this sort of the person for the same reason; the draw of power. Ultimately, a woman's creaming over SMV is a function of social status and men gauge each other in social status terms as well. That's why tall people hang out with tall people, alphas hang out with alphas, etc. Men fall for a similar lure in other men (in terms of respect, admiration) that women fall for in men.

        I however am not amused by villains. I'm not deceived by their tortured explanations for why they are violating basic moral principles in service to their self.

        But you see admiration for them everywhere. When I lived in NY 25 years ago, people were infatuated with mob bosses. Never shut up about how badass they were. They are "such renegades". The anti-hero, villain, whatever variation you have checks roughly the same boxes. They are undeniably cool. Where one falls on this continuum depends on what values one was raised with and which you've kept. In a world where loyalty is a thing of the past, whether it's your corporate employer or the plates we have instead of a wife, increasingly we are headed towards a colder world in which dark triad often makes the most sense. It's no surprise to me anti-heroes, psychopathy and the like are more and more respected. Working towards a world in which everyone benefits is seen as lame, and increasingly impractical in a dog eat dog world.

        I put myself first, but there are limits.

        [–]1xwm 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Personally I never heard of this before and its a bit surprising to me because he always came across as more "whiny little bitch" than "rich kid who holds frame" to me.

        [–]reddiforlove 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I don't see the two as mutually exclusive. My guess would be the fact that he is a rich kid who holds frame gives him a pass on being whiny little bitch in girls' eyes. Despite the fact that he fails at everything he does, he never loses assurance of his own superiority.

        It sounds like Rowling wrote him that way to show that there were indeed no heart of gold or redeeming factors in him and it backfired.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I don't know about all that. Draco was a good seeker and as far as I could tell was supposed to have done well in his classes. He get the best of Harry as much as Harry got the best of him in the books too.

        [–]reddiforlove 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        From what I remember he was adequate, not good. He wasn't a complete moron, but he wasn't anywhere close to the top by merit. He probably wouldn't even have made seeker if not for his father buying the entire team new brooms, and Snape had to favor him for him to do well in Potions.

        And besides for the one instance at the beginning of Book 6 where he traps Harry on the train, I can't for the life of me remember a time he bests Harry, unless you count hurling slurs at Hermione and snitching on him for breaking the rules.

        [–]troahey -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        It's a safe bet that the majority of women would be more likely to break up with a guy who got laid off than a guy who cheats on them and uses them as a punching bag.

        I would love to see a study on this.

        [–]fnordsnord 69 points70 points  (28 children)

        The casting of Tom Felton as Draco had a BIG impact.

        Rowling envisioned him as a little weasel, but Felton grew into a hottie in only four years during the firs two movies.

        [–]Robdogx9001 6 points7 points  (23 children)

        He is tall as shit too. There was one scene where he stands next to Potter and the size difference was hilarious. Didn't show then together in the same shot much after that.

        [–]FetusFeces 37 points38 points  (20 children)

        5'9" is tall as shit? Nah, it's Radcliffe's fault for being like four inches shorter.

        [–]through_a_ways 11 points12 points  (6 children)

        It's expected that they're all rather short/average. They were cast as kids, and had to be stuck with no matter how they turned out, they couldn't be filtered based on height.

        Ron, Malfoy, and Dudley's actors are 5'8", 9", and 9", respectively, and Potter's is 5'5". Neville Longbottom's is 6'.

        [–]choikwa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        [–]djvita 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        he wore a fat suit and fake teeth to hide his features.

        [–]Robdogx9001 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Learn something new everyday.

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          [–]through_a_ways 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Does HGH actually help with height growth? I thought it was mainly IGF-1.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The key to final adult height is the timing of growth plate closure (the bits of bones that actually grow) triggered by oestrogen increase towards the end of puberty. To make a child end up taller you just give drugs that block the enzyme that produces oestrogen. They grow at the same rate but for longer. This is the method used by paediatricians to treat 'constitutional short stature' in the country I come from.

          [–]ObviouslySwallowed 9 points10 points  (9 children)

          Exactly. Tom Cruise might look good on screen but stand him next to anyone in the top 20% and he looks like a chump.

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            [–]Elodrian 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            The retardedGorillaSort() function returns a list of men arranged in order of height.

            [–]smartphone9 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            He can only bang ugly chicks like Katie Holmes and Nicole Kidman

            [–]Lionstrong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I don't make the correlation that short = chump.

            [–]garlicextract -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            Don't kid yourself, chump. Cruise may be half the size of most guys but don't think for a minute girls wouldn't prefer him, even in real life. Unless he's standing next to Brad Pitt or a famous athlete.

            [–]garlicextract 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            Yeah, it's Radcliffe's "fault", you fucking idiot

            [–]FlyingTapper -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            Lol wtf? He has like 4" on him, that's not a huge height difference. It's noticeable but still not that big. Besides he is 5'9 that isn't 'tall as shit' you idiot.

            [–]asanonsb 30 points31 points  (1 child)

            I find the best red pill example inside the Harry Potter storyline to be Lily's choice of James over Snape. James is an outright douche to Snape and Lily completely overlooks it, James being an attractive, high-status, bold/courageous Gryffindor, pure-blooded wizard and renowned athlete to boot. Snape sacrifices everything for Lily even after she dies, even going so far as to watch over the child she had with the man he absolutely hated... omega status to the max. My wife obsesses over the "Always" line at the end of book 7, little does she know that Snape was a pathetic beta orbiter and she would shit on men like him as much as Lily did given the chance.

            The love dynamics between the teenagers aren't quite as skewed as they appear on the surface, Hermione going for the supposed beta Ron over the higher-status legendary Harry Potter. Ron grew up in a strong family unit with multiple male role models whereas Harry was abandoned and has a hard time being assertive and honest with people (Nice Guy syndrome). Hermione doesn't outwardly express her attraction to Ron until he starts being mouth-raped by Lavender Brown (preselection effect). Also, she seems to have a thing for handsome athlete brutes, with Viktor Krum being the example from book 4. When Ron takes the keeper spot for Gryffindor, she could have subconsciously projected some of the tingles from Viktor onto Ron.

            Layers and layers of red pill, they're everywhere.

            [–]ShinyBrah 85 points86 points  (21 children)

            Never be Ron Weasley, always be Draco. As if it needs to be said again, but well meaning, kind hearted men don't even produce the slightest tingle in a woman.

            [–]1oldredder 17 points18 points  (15 children)

            I suppose though Ron did get Hermione and if you've seen him in other movies since it's clear the man does hit the gym. He's quite fit and must realize this is a good choice. Not all child actors grow up to be handsome and/or fit (take a look at puddin'-pudge who used to See Dead People a decade ago).

            [–]ShinyBrah 50 points51 points  (9 children)

            It's funny you sat that actually. JK Rowling admits that she doesn't think Ron and Hermione would be together and that she would have pursued Harry.

            [–]1oldredder 21 points22 points  (6 children)

            Right, which is the obvious setup the whole time until it isn't. And that Emma Watson... man she turned out quite delicious.

            [–]randomchaos1 30 points31 points  (5 children)

            She did it for the surprising plot twist no writer can resist. They don't care about realism, just telling the audience "haha, fooled you!"

            [–]usul1628 8 points9 points  (4 children)

            Stuff like this is why I disliked Harry Potter after the third book. You're not clever JK, and these books don't need to be Atlas shrugged length.

            [–]fnordsnord 25 points26 points  (2 children)

            She must have done something right. She can afford to heat a castle in Scotland.

            [–]Endorsed Contributor2comment 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Good for her. All it really says though is she can write something that sells. And the taste of the masses is questionable at best, not to mention all the bandwagoning that goes on, the snowball effect is often a much more powerful draw than the underlying piece of work whose author happily profits from it.

            I wouldn't base any world views on what happens in a fictional novel though.

            [–]Smekiz 13 points14 points  (0 children)

            Shit, i would read Harry Potter even if it was 5k pages, and his parents never died. Fucking love her writing lol

            [–]ExistentialDread 12 points13 points  (3 children)

            Yes, but I remember another unintentionally RP interview with J.K. Rowling where she admitted that IRL, someone like Hermione would have never settled for someone like Ron Weasley.

            [–]smartphone9 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            In the books she's not so good looking. Emma Watson is hot as fuck which confuses the issue

            [–]myhairsreddit 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Really? I only ever read the first book, (seen all of the movies as of late) and the second I watched her be shitty to Ron on the train in the first movie I knew they'd eventually end up together. They're exactly the types I expect to be together.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Ron was never a push over with Hermione either, and they were always bickering. Ron's also quite a bit better in the books then the movies.

            [–]LastRevision 124 points125 points  (93 children)

            "I told them, rather severely, that Draco was not concealing a heart of gold under all that sneering at prejudice."

            And they all got even more turned on...

            EDIT: That should read "sneering prejudice" not "sneering at prejudice"; not that it would matter to women, the right alpha can be KKK racist for all they care, so it's cute how this lady thinks pointing out the characters prejudice will change their minds.

            [–]2 Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 110 points111 points  (83 children)

            A word about racism since you mentioned it. I am no longer afraid to be called a racist or considered a racist by the mainstream. Since I harbor red pill sentiments I am at risk for being publicly fingered as a misogynist. When I finally came to grips with the fact that I am a thought-criminal for thinking the wrong things, it opened the door for me to explore other thought crimes.

            I think even just 10 years ago there was some burden of proof that had to be met for someone to be labeled an "-ist". These are dark days in the republic, however, when we are all guilty until proven innocent. Now we are all collectively (as long as you are not black) considered a racist or a beneficiary of institutional racism that you must apologize for. With rape culture all men are considered potential rapists who must be taught not to rape and must be trained to check their privilege and limit their micro-aggression. If you are anything other than heterosexual you contribute to hetero-normative oppression of other-gendered peoples. In another age they would have argued that anyone who isn't poor is of the oppressive bourgeoisie class. In this very age, but in distant places, merely criticizing a violent religion will earn you a fatwa against your life for insulting Islam. Now Islam, despite not being a race, is used to point the finger against people who warn about its results.

            I say bullshit to all of it. There are functional reasons for racism-lite, as laid out in this article 'White Privilege as Normative Commons'. I say the whole world is made up of crabs in a bucket. Each tribe, each religion, each special group vying for power over the others. Just as the Jews promote their own people, and Blacks protest for and support their own people, and the Chinese and Latinos and Palestinians and all people in all corners of the world help and support their own people, so too do I support Europeans unabashedly without apology. It is white European gentile men that created a society with respect for all religions, with individuals rights, with property rights, with self-governance, with checks and balances within government, where you are innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers, etc etc etc. All of these things are the ingenious inventions of my people. The more we surrender to other tribes, and poisonous ideologies the less and less our civilization is fit to live in.

            According to the zeitgeist I am a misogynist, racist, classist, ableist, heteronormative, self-righteous prick. I say thanks, I'll wear that arm band with pride if I have to. Anything to differentiate myself from the scum that diligently chisels away at the foundations of a civilization that took 1000 years to construct.

            [–]qiang_shi 22 points23 points  (6 children)

            Thought crime, double speak. While I don't hold the same religious values as Orwell, I do hold him in high regard for writing about where he believed society was heading.

            [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 17 points18 points  (5 children)

            Don't take this as gospel but apparently Orwell mingled in political circles and they were planning the police state in the 1940's, hence all his predictions. They're not really predictions when you have confirmation/declared intent from important politicians, more like insights. A lot of people think he had profound insight and somehow just saw into the future, but in reality (if what I heard is correct) he had much more concrete knowledge to work from for constructing his classic dystopic novel.

            [–]jeansaddiction 10 points11 points  (3 children)

            That's pretty interesting. Don't mean to be that guy, but where did you hear that? Not that I don't believe you but I'd love to read more about it if possible

            [–]1runnerrun2 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            Protocols of the Elders of Zion was written prior to 1900, none of these ideas were all that revolutionary or new.

            [–]jeansaddiction 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            from wiki:

            In the US, Henry Ford sponsored the printing of 500,000 copies, and, from 1920 to 1922, published a series of antisemitic articles titled "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem", in The Dearborn Independent, a newspaper he owned. In 1921, Ford cited evidence of a Jewish threat: "The only statement I care to make about the Protocols is that they fit in with what is going on. They are 16 years old, and they have fitted the world situation up to this time."[48] In 1927, however, the courts[who?] ordered Ford to retract his publication and apologize; he complied, claiming his assistants had duped him. He remained an admirer of Nazi Germany, however.[49]

            holy shit!

            [–]1runnerrun2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Yeah if you look at it in historical context, "1984" was probably one of the things that made it through the test of time because it didn't blame jews specifically. I only really came about this aspect of world history when I tried to make more sense of ww1 and ww2. These things aren't secrets but noone's volunteering the information in any official manner either.

            [–]TomHicks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            What happened to your tag? Its gone.

            [–]LastRevision 64 points65 points  (11 children)

            Just as the Jews promote their own people, and Blacks protest for and support their own people, and the Chinese and Latinos and Palestinians and all people in all corners of the world help and support their own people, so too do I support Europeans unabashedly without apology.

            This is more /r/DarkEnlightment, but fuck it. What gets me isn't the unabashed nationalism Jewish people, etc, display but the overt demonization of nationalism in white Christians... accoridng to the miansteam/progressive/blue pill/catherdral, however you want to label the same concept, the mainstream idea is that White Christians are the WORST SCUMBAG PIECES OF SHIT when, guess what, they are the only people who are KIND ENOUGH to put aside in-group interest and nationalist belifs in order to do WHATS RIGHT AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE.

            [–]2 Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 40 points41 points  (2 children)

            You are corrent this is definitely a Dark Enlightenment topic. It intersects with TRP because every Klan, Nazi, Black Panther, gang leader, etc is sexually successful. Why is this? Because if a man is willing to take something for his in-group, women want to be in his in-group. It is really that simple, and yes, women really are that simple and pragmatic. If you are a bourgeoisie factory owner who oppresses workers for your own enrichment, women want to be in your camp because they will share in your success. If you are fighting for your race because you want your tribe to conquer the world and rule over others, women want to be the queen to your king. The world is a shitty place that requires men to act in self-interested ways and there is quite a bit of self-interest in maintaining your racial/ethnic/religious/ideological power.

            [–]RatherPlayChess 17 points18 points  (1 child)

            It intersects with TRP because "The red pill" has always meant "the hard truth."

            [–]jeansaddiction 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            People forget this and tend to only associate trp with women. It's so much bigger than that

            [–]t21spectre 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            The think you mean /r/DarkEnlightenment

            [–]waylandertheslayer 8 points9 points  (5 children)

            The worst country for (lack of) national pride is Germany. There's a reason they like football so much - if they wave their flag around for any other reason all the European countries flinch and accuse them of reverting to Nazis. They still own all of the EU though, although why Germany wants it is beyond me.

            [–]Endorsed Contributor2comment 12 points13 points  (3 children)

            They don't really own all of EU, they just have to pay for it.

            [–]GC0W30 11 points12 points  (2 children)

            They're the EU's beta bux orbiter?

            [–]kickit 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            This is a sublime misinterpretation of European politics

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            If you've been following the news recently, it's been slowly changing. Admittedly, this is against Islamofascism and not Cultural Marxism as such, but one front at a time.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            White Christians are the WORST SCUMBAG PIECES OF SHIT when, guess what, they are the only people who are KIND ENOUGH to put aside in-group interest and nationalist belifs in order to do WHATS RIGHT AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE.

            Do you know what's ironic? That multiculturalism is an in-group survival strategy itself created by the Jewish intellectual elite. Why? Because Jews were the most persecuted group of people in history, and by weakening the social cohesion of other nations they preserve their own. There are even books on that topic.

            [–]BlackHeart89 3 points4 points  (4 children)

            Damn.

            With that being said. I never understood why anyone had to choose sides if it isn't necessary.

            I agree with everything you're saying. But I personally don't only encourage my own race. I support all races.

            [–]RamblinRambo 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            But I personally don't only encourage my own race.

            Then you might as well give up life. Your task is to ensure that your kind lives on. If you fail at that, you fail as a human and are hence quite frankly useless.

            [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            I care not about what you see my task in life to be. After I die, is no problem of mine. I fail at life when I fail at accomplishing the goals I set for myself. Damn what everyone else thinks. The fuck? Lol

            [–]RamblinRambo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            fter I die, is no problem of mine.

            You should care. You'd not be here or have what you have if people didn't think about the next generation.

            [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I care, but its not my prime objective. Before I can concern myself with the future and well-being of others, I'm taking care of myself. On some points, taking care of myself will help others and those in the future. But again, concerning myself about things after I die isn't at the top of my list of priorities.

            [–]TimPartendale 14 points15 points  (8 children)

            A word about racism since you mentioned it.

            Holy shit that long ass post seemed to come out of nowhere; I didn't expect to read that when clicking a link about Malfoy.

            It is white European gentile men that created...

            Spaniards are European yet some of them wouldn't be classified as white. Likewise, you list a good slew of things produced by Europe however you exclude the myriad of inventions, technologies and ideologies created by others which aid the world in general. This isn't an us versus them mentality; this is a human race mentality.

            [–]87GNX 13 points14 points  (7 children)

            In truth "white" is extraordinarily flexible. In the 1800s people tried to define themselves as white; it was an ideal to strive to. The Irish and Italians weren't originally considered white, but they worked at it and now they are.

            Now, in the age of social justice, there's a flight from white as no one wants to be shut down with the dreaded "privilege" wand.

            Note also that it can be a term of convenience... George Zimmerman was of largely Peruvian descent, but as soon as he shot Trayvon it was all about being "white hispanic." Everything must fit The Narrative.

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              [–]87GNX 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Right. We didn't elect a Catholic president until 1960... and then he gets shot halfway through.

              Back, and to the left.

              Back, and to the left.

              [–]Red_King_Rising 7 points8 points  (1 child)

              It's true about the Irish and Italians. The thing is as a black person you knew that no matter how you acted, how well you spoke, how much education you got and how polite or nice you were, you would never, ever ever be allowed to join the club. Never. That's just the truth.

              [–]soccerplusaviation 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              You are right about how people support their own race, religion etc. But your not any different from anyone else by promoting your own ancestry. That puts you at their level. Be objective, Rise above the masses and see that various aspects of democracy and technology came from all over the world, not from the minds of Europeans alone.
              And yes Europeans have created societies that bring out the best in humanity. But people had to give their lives to, to fight against the oppressive regimes to create the North America and Europe we see today. The arab world is under going similar changes. Since the mid twentieth century People are giving the middle finger to dictatorships and monarchies. Change like that takes time.

              Lastly, yeah we live in a free society. But don't forget why TRP exists in the first place.

              [–]pl231 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              like associates with like. people are just more comfortable with people that are similar to them. this occurs, visually, audibly and probably tactilely. I don't get why people have a hard time with that. it's not racism, it's just normal behavior for any organism.

              [–]superyay -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

              Europeans were actually behind in terms of technology and advancement until they received gunpowder from China. That's when they turned it into a weapon and used it against native people to oppress, rape, and steal. Hey, if we're talking truth, this IS what happened.

              Also, I find it pretty ironic that you have such a strong sentiment towards the advancement of white people, yet you have extremely antiquated thinking. In today's globalized society, your thinking is a one-way road to close-mindedness and bitterness that will just get worse as you age.

              Just as the Jews promote their own people, and Blacks protest for and support their own people, and the Chinese and Latinos and Palestinians and all people in all corners of the world help and support their own people, so too do I support Europeans unabashedly without apology

              Yeah, they support their own NATION. You think some random Italian gives a fuck about an angry white American? Get real, son. If you honestly think that just because you share similar features that you'll be well-received, you are severely misguided. You may have european roots, but you are not european - don't delude yourself. Basically, you're batting for the wrong team.

              It's clear you've clouded your mind with racist thoughts due to the negative press that white people have gotten these past few years, and the identity crisis issues that come with being white. I get it. But you are completely wrong in thinking that Chinese in China give a fuck about Chinese-Americans and Blacks in Africa give a fuck about African-Americans. You've got a serious case of "us vs them" mentality and it's one that everyone on this sub knows leads to unnecessary amounts of anger, which inhibits growth. You need to seriously take a break from the press and the Internet and just get out of the house more.

              [–]FrontierPsychologist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              That's when they turned it into a weapon and used it against native people to oppress, rape, and steal.

              as opposed to what the native people were doing to each other before Europeans got there?

              or is your version of history one where native people had a utopia, and never fought or raped each other, and the territory that the white man "stole" wasn't constantly changing hands between them?

              You've watched a little too much Pocahontas buddy.

              [–]J3w1sh_NeoCon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Europeans were actually behind in terms of technology and advancement until they received gunpowder from China. That's when they turned it into a weapon and used it against native people to oppress, rape, and steal. Hey, if we're talking truth, this IS what happened.

              ...Do you actually believe that? Let me guess, you're American?

              [–]bluedrygrass 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Europeans were still the most advanced, safe and intellectually rich countries way before the knowing of the gunpowder. And the progresses provided by the white race, in every sector of knowledge, technology, philosophy, freedom etc., are simply unreachable by any other race or country.

              [–]gamerdouche 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Looks like the jidf made it to trp

              [–]VivaCheeseWhiz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This is the sad conclusion I've come to. If women want to paint me as an intolerant pig, I will play the role. The image below is from a Jizzabelle article that I won't link to so as not to give them traffic. I think they must edit the comments because all that I saw was 'tollllerance" and "understanding" from the very same "good" whites that she's chastising. It makes me want to tie a noose around my neck and kick the chair

              http://i.imgur.com/a8ZiOG8.jpg

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                [–]bad_pattern2 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                apartheid and slavery in Americas

                there was a civil war fought by white european gentile men to stop slavery if you didn't notice

                apartheid is a natural inclination of any society with distinct cultural groups living side by side. again because groups act in their group interest in aggregate. integration was the bigger crime, where politicians refused to act in the interest of those who elected them

                also didn't know eli whitney was black. or is he just an honorary black?

                BTW, the greatest genocide was committed by white "gentile" men.

                didn't know genghis khan was white. maybe you should brush up on your world history

                p.s. racism isn't the belief that one race is inferior,

                racism is power plus privilege. educate yourself

                What? I live in San Francisco and have been promoted by Filipinos over other Filipino candidates. Your assertion is incorrect on its face if you have ever received a benefit from someone outside your race.

                nice anecdote. we're talking about groups here. no one with eyes in their head believes cultural groups don't favor their own over outsiders. except maybe the holier-than-thou status signaling SJW shitheads like yourself. you're a suicidal embarassment to the thousands of generations that endured and toiled so that you, their descendant, and not some random citizen of the world or some other goddamn species, might live in a better world

                [–]Endorsed Contributor2comment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Black people invented the cotton gin and flue-cured tobacco but it was white people and their children who reaped the benefits of these inventions. But whatever, its easier to be racist.

                Eli Whitney is credited with the mechanical cotton gin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Whitney

                [–]superyay 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                You have good points, yet get downvoted. This sub has serious racial insecurity issues.

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                  [–]bluedrygrass 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  The hamster is strong in minorities. Think about it, "minorities" (not so minorities anymore) acts exactly like feminists and the like. Cognitive dissonance, incoherence, blaming else for anything, whining, pretending to be treated better, basing their actions on offended feelings, etc., etc...

                  What does this shows? There's someone who subcontiously realises to be worse and to not be willing to behave and be responsible as much as their "privileged" counterparts.

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                    [–]Norskfisk 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                    It is white European gentile men that created a society with respect for all religions, with individuals rights, with property rights, with self-governance, with checks and balances within government, where you are innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers, etc etc etc. All of these things are the ingenious inventions of my people.

                    Actually no, we Muslims had that covered long before Europeans ever did. The Rashidun, Umayyad, and Abbasid caliphates respected and protected the rights of Jews and Christians while their European counterparts were burning people alive for heresy..

                    [–]TheGentlemanZombie 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    Too bad you cut off the heads of infidels in modern times

                    [–]Schindog 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    That is essentially Hitler's justification. Look up his thoughts on Aryans and Lebensraum.

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    From what I understand (little), Hitler used this as proof that ONLY whites could be "producers of culture", whereas the poster above only suggests that they created the "best" culture.

                    [–]J3w1sh_NeoCon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Only Germanics, he had mixed feelings about Latins and Slavs. Though the racial classification of European races was a bit more complex.

                    His way of thinking is more like that of white nationalists like the founding fathers of the US, instead of someone who wasn't a white nationalist (Hitler).

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Actually, no. The mongol khanate was extremely accepting of people practicing different religions-this is very well documented (and other cultures as well, there's a reason why the Khanate was so diverse in the first place. Aside from all the rape, they were generally pretty accepting of the people they conquered). I'd wager people of other racial groups would have made a society akin or better than some european variants given time or better circumstance.

                    Also, most of Europe's humanist ideals came out of the renaissance, which mostly blew up due to increased exposure to different cultures, materials, philosophies, and technology (trade) with the east.

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                      [–]LastRevision 0 points1 point  (7 children)

                      Appeal to authority fallacy.

                      She had Hermione marry Ron, after all.

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                        [–]LastRevision 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                        Huh?

                        Just because she made $1 billion writing children's books doesn't mean that she has innate red pill knowledge of what girls find attractive. There are plenty of people who are very successful and wealthy who are extremely blue pill.

                        Any little girl reading Harry Potter wanted hermione to marry Harry, but she thought they wanted to see Hermione marry the nice guy Ron.

                        [–]1runnerrun2 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                        She knows what's up. She's simply doing what she excels at: to frame things in a way that will appeal to people's likes and sensitivities, because that's a big part of being a succesful writer. There is no wilful deceit on her part though, this is the way she naturally presents information. But again, she knows what's up.

                        [–]LastRevision 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                        If the character was just an asshole, okay, but it is far down the red pill rabbit hole to think that a "racist" character could be attractive.

                        [–]1runnerrun2 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                        Honestly I didn't know he was racist, didn't read the books and didn't take that away from my half-eye viewing of the movies.

                        What I said was about his properties that I think are called Dark Triad.

                        [–]LastRevision 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        I'm with you in not having read Potter, but I've dated enough girls who like this bullshit to know a bit about it....

                        I think the Draco character is supposed to represent racism in the books because he hates on half wizard/half human characters, which the real life equivilant would be hating other races or mixed races; not "pure white" races.

                        There is no way this lady wrote the character to be attractive; she wrote him to be an asshole and it so happens that assholes are what girls find attractive. Remember, most women are NOT aware of their nature or what they find attractive. While this lady wrote a successful kids book, that does not imply a high level of social intelligence.

                        No way she wants to think that women are capable of looking past racism, or even being TURNED ON by it.

                        [–]1runnerrun2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        While this lady wrote a successful kids book, that does not imply a high level of social intelligence.

                        I disagree, it's the cornerstone of the skill required to accomplish that feat.

                        I agree that she surely didn't write him to be attractive though. But she's far too smart to be surprised by it.

                        It is interesting to note that a whole lot of movies struggle with the conundrum of their supposedly unsympathetic alpha asshole character who is the antagonist of the beta hero actually outshining him to the neutral observer.

                        If you start to pay attention to this you'll see how they deal with it. Typically they go out of their way to discredit the alpha by suddenly making him behave uncharacteristically weak, cowardly and petty, letting him go through great misfortune (which we then assume made him a loser afterall) or just plain killing him off so he's out of the picture. Or their favorite, he suddenly 'sees the error of his ways' and betas it up, killing his own attractiveness!

                        Trust me on some level all these writers are aware of these things. They're just really good at masquerading it for the audience.

                        [–]Transmigratory 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                        They like the rich, apathetic douchebag, how shocking.

                        [–]mister_barfly75 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        Since we're on the topic of Harry Potter, may I just remind everyone that's mentioned Snape that Alan Rickman was also a scene stealer in both Die Hard and Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves where he also played villains that were more charismatic than the heroes.

                        Also, for anyone else spending tonight watching Die Hard I'd like to raise a toast in advance to you.

                        [–]Cryocasm 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        I'll quote myself again:

                        The female rationalization of Dark Triad men is as follows (if Draco is one doesn't matter since he is portrayed and behaves like one):

                        Deep Down He Loves Me

                        This comes straight from:

                        that Draco was not concealing a heart of gold under all that sneering at prejudice.

                        [–]Hirudin 11 points12 points  (5 children)

                        Being confident is more important than not being an asshole. If you have to be an asshole to be confident then it's a net gain.

                        Also, being confident and a decent person means absolutely nothing if you are beaten by someone who is a confident douchebag.

                        [–]_JustKnight_ 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                        What I am realizing lately however is that there is a direct trade off here. One simply cannot be extremely confident and extremely nice (same as completely non-assholish) at the same time.

                        Confidence is shown via an "uncaring daring" attitude in regular actions, body language, tone and loudness of voice, care free manipulation of environment, etc.

                        If one is very considerate of those around, he will be forced to drop this uncaring attitude and it would immediately show. Confidence and being an asshole are the same thing. Both are signs of strength and say "I don't care about what others think... I can afford to offend others"... being nice is the exact opposite of that.

                        [–]trp_tophan 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                        One simply cannot be extremely confident and extremely nice (same as completely non-assholish) at the same time.

                        Sure you can, most of the time. Most everyday environments don't call for much social jockeying or cavalier behavior if you're already at ease. That atmosphere can persist for quite a while before any pointed conflict occurs. You can be cavalier and gregarious if you so choose, and maybe stick out to someone who otherwise wouldn't have paid as much attention to you, but that's not a prerequisite to confidence.

                        Ever been around an ivy league university? They're home to some of the most exceedingly arrogant people you'll ever meet. Just because some guy is, to use one of JK Rowling's favorite adjectives, gormless with one of those WASPy, dead-behind-the-eyes zuckerberg faces and no sense for physical posturing (because he's so privileged he's never had to look tough, let alone have a fight) doesn't mean his attitude isn't "I could own your entire family."

                        Projecting confidence is a separate question. Guys like that are playing an entirely different kind of dominance game with an audience of their female peers (in terms of social standing) looking on. They don't need to physically intimidate you, the stand-in peasant, but may display more of that behavior in competition within their social group.

                        Look at Bill Gates. At one time he was notorious for being ruthless to the point of cruelty in his business dealings, but you'll never find any evidence of him acting that way on camera. People personified him as the Devil for him back then. Now he's so high-value that the only image he's interested in projecting is the total opposite.

                        [–]_JustKnight_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                        Most everyday environments don't call for much social jockeying or cavalier behavior if you're already at ease. That atmosphere can persist for quite a while before any pointed conflict occurs.

                        What I realized is that being "at ease" in itself is slightly inconsiderate behavior. Think of how someone is perceived as being at ease... not very observant or reactive, relaxed body language, not afraid to enter other's space (feet spread out, arms rested far apart, big gestures), talking slowly and deeply... i.e. not afraid to waste other's time with whatever he has to say. Not anxious if the environment gets a little damaged by his actions.

                        None of it is really assholish because the whole interaction is extremely low stakes. But just by displaying these minute signs of slight inconsideration for others, the person is making a bold statement that they do not care for other's opinion and are willing to offend. It shows a willingness to get into conflict. It shows strength.

                        As for the rest of your post, I just don't see the difference between confidence and being cavalier and gregarious.

                        [–]trp_tophan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        I don't disagree with what you're saying about body language, speech, etc., but I think a lot of it comes down to the individual's initial physicality and overall presence. An athletic person will more readily project confidence than others in certain ways, while someone with vocal training (singer, voice actor, whatever) will more readily project confidence in other ways.

                        There are plenty of physically unattractive narcissists out there who go around thinking they're hot shit all the time, but you wouldn't necessarily be able to pick them out in a crowd. Along with symmetry, "expressive" features are a huge part of what makes people physically attractive in the first place.

                        I'd just say it's a bit reductionistic / sometimes dangerous to conflate a person's mental state with how they're received by others. The description you gave also fits most stoners, after all.

                        [–]Anderfail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Draco wasn't confident though, he was massively insecure. He had no ability to maintain any frame at all and whined like a little girl when things didn't go his way. He's a guy who was raised by a follower (Lucius is not an alpha, he's a follower as evident by his death eater status) to be a follower. He knows absolutely nothing else, which is why he is and always will be a person of mediocre ability.

                        [–]TheRealMewt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        This is exactly the reason why the Draco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater tropes even exist.

                        [–]RatherPlayChess 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                        "Just another nail in the "girls really want nice guys!" myth.

                        Nah. That myth will never die. This myth has existed since man stood up from the tall grass and sculpted the Woman of Willendorf.

                        The spiritual worship of woman is an inescapable piece in the mythos of the human condition. Just look at this subreddit. You've made a clan centered around the virtues women REALLY desire, not the virtues society says women SHOULD desire. And adhering to the truths preached here has become a right of passage to us.

                        The desire for challenge and danger is inherent in all men. The mystery and the threat of pregnancy in women are dangerous to man, making woman an inescapable challenge.

                        [–]GregariousWolf 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        When I was young, I used to think the battle of the sexes was some kind of political humor. Now that I'm older and divorced, I'm a believer. The battle of the sexes is nothing new. It has been with us since time immemorial.

                        [–]osborne_cox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        This post aroused my curiosity as my gf is an avid Harry Potter fan. I off-handedly asked her what she thought of Draco's character. Her: "He's a douche. He doesn't man up and help Voldemort or switch sides and help Harry. He just cries."

                        What she finds most disgusting isn't his lack of morality, rather the fact that in the end all he does is show emotional vulnerability. I don't think I could've fabricated a more RP response myself.

                        [–]JackGoldsteinWrites 31 points32 points  (4 children)

                        Draco was not concealing a heart of gold under all that sneering at prejudice

                        Draco was a bitch, Snape was an ultimate bitch (taking care of his dead oneitis' child), Weasley was a bitch - Potter was merely OK. Honestly trying to think of one guy who's inspirational in that series and I can't. Dumbledore's a white knight. Sirius is probably the closest thing to cool. This is what happens when women write men.

                        [–]reddiforlove 27 points28 points  (0 children)

                        Draco was a bitch

                        Check

                        Snape was an ultimate bitch (taking care of his dead oneitis' child)

                        Snape didn't "take care" of Harry, he tried to fuck him over for almost the entire series because he resembled the douchebag who bullied him and stole his oneitis away. He only helped Harry at the end because Dumbledore asked him to as his dying wish.

                        Dumbledore's a white knight.

                        Wha? How is Dumbledore a white knight? He's not even interested in women. He's definitely not going around sticking up for them when they don't merit his help. He does nothing but boss shit the entire series.

                        Honestly trying to think of one guy who's inspirational in that series and I can't.

                        http://i.imgur.com/y9GqBH4.gif

                        It was definitely ridiculous how that huge beta Weasley landed Hermione, but nothing else really struck me as unnatural. She even did a good job describing the tingles all the other girls got for Harry once he started to get tall around Book 5.

                        [–]kinmeyy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        James Potter

                        Remus Lupin

                        Tom Riddle

                        [–]tsudonimh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        Honestly trying to think of one guy who's inspirational in that series and I can't.

                        You mean besides the nervous, pudgy kid who overcomes his crippling self-doubt to end up staring down the big-bad-boss after decapitating his familiar with a sword that could only be drawn by someone of courage?

                        IMO, the last book of the series should have been called "Neville Longbottom and his enormous balls."

                        [–]fnordsnord 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                        And gay. Dumbledore was gay. It's clearer if you read the books.

                        [–]AnotherLostCause 16 points17 points  (3 children)

                        She is really getting desperate for attention.

                        [–]Adelaideagain 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                        Must get boring on her cloud of money

                        [–]AnotherLostCause 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                        The money doesn't really matter, she was used to everyone hanging on her every word when she was writing the books. Constant massive validation. That has stopped, sure she gets beta attention from her trekie level fans but they are orbiters for all intents and purposes, so she stirs the shit pile every once and a while to stir up some interest from something a little more substantial.

                        [–]maximumutility 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Even her hardcore fans are starting to express that it's time for her to leave the series behind.

                        [–]frak_me_harder 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                        Related note: An old girlfriend of mine and I were talking about the Song of Ice and Fire series once, and Joffrey makes her sploosh hard apparently. All about the power and dark triad.

                        [–]Mans_Right_To_Choose 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                        Joffrey is a whiny bitch who can't think for shit. He can't be Dark Triad because he's too dumbfuck obvious in his schemes that he's no Machiavellian. Narcissist, sure. Psychopath, yes indeed. But you need three for a Triad.

                        [–]maximumutility 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        I think a better example from that series is the torturous psycho Ramsay Bolton. It's crazy how women fangirl over a character who is literally a serial rapist who skins his victims alive.

                        [–]tymet 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        It's worth adding that even Emma Watson admitted that she was massively attracted to Tom Felton since the beginning of the filming the first movie. JK Rowling intended for Hermione to hate Draco and love Ron, but watch any of Emma's interviews in which she's asked about filming the kiss scenes with Ron and you'll see her cringe while she talks about it

                        [–]Douknowthemulletman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        Emma and Tom are actors. They can be attracted to each other without it having anything to do with their characters. I refer you to the story of carol & greg brady: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/247259/BRADY-BUNCH-MOM-SAYS-SHE-DATED-SON---ONCE.html?pg=all

                        [–]TheRealMouseRat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        The whole Snape, Harry's father and Harry's mother thing also screams "don't be a nice guy, be a douche, if you want the girl that is".

                        [–]SuperNinKenDo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        Honestly, Draco is fucking weak. He's a weak character, in the narrative, not in the sense of being particularly poorly developed, though that's arguable. I'm slightly surprised girls would gush over somebody like that, but I guess being "bad" is more important than having a pair?

                        [–]bluedrygrass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        For pairless women, yes it is. They are cowards and weak, and bad, so those aren't wrong things for them.

                        [–]Deaddpooll 18 points19 points  (11 children)

                        Its because he is attractive.

                        Stop looking too much into it.

                        Not everything is 'dark triad'

                        Appearance matters as much for guys as it does for girls whether this place accepts it or not.

                        [–]Opioidus 3 points4 points  (8 children)

                        Male hamster much? You can't justify being a male loser by ''muh looks'', I've seen guys that are short, ugly, poor, stupid and uninteresting with solid 8s and 9s, just because they had a very mild alpha demeanor.

                        [–]rainmeter1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        You have seen short, ugly, poor and stupid guys with perfect looking women? Yeah, son, they are called ''escorts'' and for a fixed price you too can be seen with women who are far beyond your league.

                        Red pill is nonsense. Women are attracted to looks, women are far more visual than men are, and all this nonsense of lift and talk and walk like the 'Alphas' will get you nowhere. The vast majority of the folks here are average in everything and I doubt they can even get the attention of below-average women, let alone Adriana lima.

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorCrimsonCapsule 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                        This is interesting.

                        Draco is a coward. Rich, handsome, but childish and whiny. Weak.

                        My guess is that he seems easy to control for women. He gives off that kind of vibe — like you could just pretend to like him and suck him off a few times, and soon he'd be holding your purse while you shop for poodle collars.

                        [–]bluedrygrass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Or simply, you are judging him by male moral standards. Women don't really have morals, to be a coward isn't inherently a bad thing if you are good in other aspects. Malfoy is a bastard, a vampire, an assassin. Women are like that, that's also why they like it.

                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        The most redpill relationship in Harry Potter is Lily and James.

                        Let's forget about calling Snape a beta orbiter or omega male for a second, and saying Lily choose James over Snape etc, and just consider for a second that Lily found James appealing at all.

                        He's supposed to be an unappealing character to readers. James that is. Harry is upset that he's such a dick. He's upset that he's a cocky show off that bullied Snape, and yet, Lily is attracted to that.

                        The problem with Snape and Lily's relationship is that it's bullshit to begin with. This pretty popular girl who is part of a clique far removed from this other clique stays friends with the greasy, hook nosed, anti-social, loser throughout 4,5, 6 years, whatever it was, of school? And she only stops talking to him because he's hanging out with the wrong crowd and treats her poorly? Bullshit. She would have stopped talking to him one month into her first year.

                        [–]FemtoG 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Draco was never mean. He was just manipulated by his parents and that assface Voldemort. Of course I'm not saying that it justifies his bullying and bad behavior, but I think he is just a misunderstood person and he just needed someone to love him and accept him for who he really was, which is not a bad person but a very handsome man who can be as ass sometimes but he is actually scared and helpless. God I'm still mad at why J.K. Rowling didn't put Hermoine and Draco together! GRRRRR!!!! >.< Obliviate memory!

                        Youtube comment.

                        [–]RedRisingHood 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                        Draco Malfoy was one of the few genuinely interesting and well developed characters.

                        Whilst he had privilege, he was also emotionally abused by his parents, saw his family get destroyed etc, it was like the classical narcissitic injury which creates that kind of fucked up, but actually very fascinating person.

                        Compare with Harry, Hermione and Ron, they are all boring as a fuck, Harry is the guy who has everything handed to him and never really had to get his hands dirty. Hermione is just some libtarded nerd girl and Ron is the pauper with a heart of gold (pretty cliched stereotype) who looks like Ed Sheeran.

                        [–]GregariousWolf 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                        Can confirm. I recall my ex-wife making a comment about the child actor who played Malfoy was growing up and filling in nicely.

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                          [–]iiMSouperman 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                          I disagree. We know very little about the actor IRL, we are presented with him being a "bad boy", so that's what people fall for. Take a look at Edward Cullen, Leo DiCaprio, etc etc. Heartthrobs tend to be heartthrobs because they play a good character.

                          If they were just randoms in the street they wouldn't get anywhere near the cult following some do.

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                            [–]iiMSouperman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            Celebrity magazines != know a lot about him IRL. He could be a nice guy/a cunt IRL, people like him, it's a fair assumption to say that's linked to his dark side complex.

                            Disagree RE: Jack Dawson - if Leo wasn't an actor (but was another celebrity - a politician for a pretty shitty party for instance), he wouldn't be anywhere near the level of heartthrob. Chicks love him because he's a "romantic".

                            I guarantee a lot of "hipsters"/"quirky" girls would love to ride Michael Cera to kingdom come - because of the characters he portrays.

                            I'm not saying this is a solid rule across the board, but it's interesting for discussion at least.

                            [–]Frogtarius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Should be easy to ruin their fantasy in the next book.

                            [–]Rinsleeve 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            When you look for them you find these situations all over the place, like Loki. He's an evil mother fucker but he's loved cuz he's 'misunderstood'. Apparently being the second favourite child excuses genocide and the attempted enslavement of the entire human race.

                            [–]NotQuiteRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Slug and Bozo were busy picking on everyone, as well as running over children with their car. It turned their women on immensely.

                            Melvin, on the other hand, was a 98lb weakling. He didn't have sex until after the transformation and started literally bashing in heads.

                            Oh... Wait. That wasn't Harry Potter. That's The Toxic Avenger. :P

                            [–]Donald_Fuck -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                            To nit-pick.

                            In other words, exactly some of the traits that make girls sploosh their panties.

                            Redpill is everywhere truths are everywhere.

                            A decent pop culture reference none the less. It's interesting to come across such things post TRP. You see the truth now.

                            [–]Doriphor -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                            Probably because their dads beat their moms.