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[–]TheNewTony 147 points148 points  (0 children)

I think it was lauren becall who said: "a beautiful woman dies twice".

[–]CornyHoosier 58 points59 points  (8 children)

Nobody cares that you have a degree. You can climb the corporate ladder as a single, independent woman, and think you’re happy, and you will be for a few years, but you’ll probably end up alone, or in an unfulfilling relationship, and you’ll be miserable. You’ll wish you married that nice guy you turned down when you were young, and who ended up becoming an amazing man. Now he doesn’t even look at you.

Ouch. True but painful to watch.

I have a female friend that this is directly happening to now. This girl was a New York/LA 8-9, intelligent, well-educated and hopped from one alpha guy to the next. I only knew her back in my over-weight, poor and beta days so of course nothing happened.

Anyway, fast-forward to now, she's 34 or 35 and the years of working some incredibly long and stressful hours all the time are noticeably taking their toll on her physically. She has broken down in front of me a couple times crying because she is starting to get turned down by men that she feels are way out of her league. She's also told me that in the last few years she has come to the conclusion that she does want a child and marriage and feels as if it is all "slipping away".

It was a marked day in my life when she asked me out on a date and I politely declined. Strangely I always thought I would feel some sort of satisfaction from it ... but instead I felt pity.

C'est la vie.

[–]PaulMurrayCbr 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Reminds me of a story this ex-beta orbiter told, how the girl he used to orbit once drunkenly confessed to him "I will marry you when I am 35". He was just part of her long-term life plan.

[–]a_nus 15 points16 points  (4 children)

The last oneitis I had, 2 years ago, once told me that I would make a great husband. That she could see herself having kids and marrying me when we were older. I took this as a compliment. My heart dick felt so good.

Meanwhile she was fucking her weed dealer. What a dumb fuck I was.

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    [–]after27tries 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    there are a lot of very good girls out there. Yes in your country, yes in your town. They just tend to be more shy and they don't wear as slutty clothes.

    No, no, no. Get rid of that idea, buddy. Girls with low self esteem aren't what you think they are and unless you handle the whole thing like a Jedi Master, it will backfire at you. When you pick a girl with low self esteem/confidence, sooner or later she will see it as a low social value sign.

    *Random shy girl: Wait a minute... Why did he choose me and not some other popular, outgoing and blatantly sexy chick? Because HE CAN'T! He's weak and has no power. But... if I managed to get his attention with no "efforts"... hmmm :) *

    [–]Bearhardy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Truth that my brother, I can testify, I once just trying things told my insecure ex when I firsr saw you I was struck I told myself there is no way you can get that, just trying to make her feel better I was getting sick of her insecurity I should have know better, her eyes changed like a coin she was the price now not me, next day she started questioning me about my future and what I wanted to do with my life and to look for a new better branch and I was suddenly not enough, taken for granted, I was left no choice but to go nuclear when she started to treat me like an orbiter

    [–]that_all_you_got 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Fuck, I felt sad for her. I don't like seing people suffer.

    [–]draketton 46 points47 points  (4 children)

    it's extremely common for a young girl to be aware of the general trend that women lose their attractiveness around 30, but to think that they themselves will find a workaround

    [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 43 points44 points  (2 children)

    I believe we call that, "hamstering"

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      [–]abcd_z 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Yup. From Wikipedia:

      In a survey of faculty at the University of Nebraska, 68% rated themselves in the top 25% for teaching ability.

      In a similar survey, 87% of MBA students at Stanford University rated their academic performance as above the median.


      In ratings of leadership ability, 70% of the students [surveyed by the College Board] put themselves above the median. In ability to get on well with others, 85% put themselves above the median, and 25% rated themselves in the top 1%.

      [–]Vioret 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      "I don't wear my seatbelt because an accident will never happen to -me-."

      [–]2RedPillSafe 195 points196 points  (59 children)

      And this is why many women NEVER accept the truth even long after it has arrived into their lives when older.

      Women are not good at accepting pain like this. Their nature is to avoid pain through hamstering forever and ever and ever.

      I recently questioned your stereotypical 65 year old childless Feminist about whether if she could go back in time would she have appreciated the man's role more and accepted the importance of family (Patriarchy or something similiar) and her answer was:


      A Feminist will prefer to die childless than to accept the truth. It's a suicide mission.

      If the "failures" which we call "aging childless Feminists" actually DID realize their mistake they might pass this wisdom on to younger females, but they generally reaffirm the failed vision to the death.

      [–]1cover20 156 points157 points  (24 children)

      Women hate other women as the default setting. They try to drag younger women into their same path as affirmation of what they've done.

      Feminism is hardest on the women.

      [–]draketton 71 points72 points  (17 children)

      hard bitten men do the same thing, while dressing it up in platitudes like "building character" and "paying dues"

      spiteful cunts, crabs in a bucket

      [–]1cover20 29 points30 points  (15 children)

      It's more likely to be men who have indeed paid dues (put up with shit to have some learning experiences as well) telling younger pretenders to do so.

      And now as an older guy myself, it's scary how incompetent newcomers are and the sort of mistakes they could make. Offering them a period of "paying dues", with the full expectation that they will thus rise to competence, is a very kind thing to do.

      It's too bad that career ladders are so uncertain these days that the opportunity is hardly there any more.

      I'm not so sure about "building character" though. I think that's mostly inborn. We get experience, we keep our character.

      [–]draketton 29 points30 points  (10 children)

      a youngster paying dues can mean 1 of 2 things

      drilling the difficult fundamentals of a job, until he's built up enough skill at the fundamentals to never mess them up (what you're talking about)


      going through every single unpleasant or permanently damaging experience that an older guy went through because the older guy is miserable with those experiences and misery loves company (what I'm talking about)

      [–]BomptonBrotha88 12 points13 points  (7 children)

      Hey if you want to forge a strong iron tool you have to beat on it a lot

      [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 20 points21 points  (1 child)

      Each person is a different alloy - more heat and pressure might be required for some to cure.

      While some heat & pressure is good for most, too much stress will eventually break all of them.

      [–]BomptonBrotha88 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Yeah I agree. Like a good coach in High School knows when bust your ass and when to ease off or even show a bit of warmth to get the most out of you and teach you the most about yourself and about life. Ideally, a master/apprentice relationship should be like that.

      [–]1Dev_on 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      makes sense, so long as the guy is self aware.

      nothing like pain to make someone appreciate the simple pleasures

      [–]SlinkyOne 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      You just helped me get through a life struggle... good job random man.

      [–]BomptonBrotha88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      tips fedora glad I could be of assistance

      [–]jhthm 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Yes but there is no need to go through the same trial and error every time you forge a new tool. If that was how we built things then there would be no master smiths.

      It is up to us as fathers and brothers to take what we can from our experiences and pass that wisdom on to our children and protégés so that they won't suffer as much as we did.

      We equip them with our tools so they can face new trials and go to the next level.

      [–]BomptonBrotha88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      IDK what you mean by going through the same trial and error every time. Most apprenticeships don't make you do every single thing the guys before you did; rather they distill the best skills and practices of their trade and try to pass those on in the best way to the best and most dedicated candidates.

      [–]DexterousRichard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Or just being used up and thrown away.

      See the software industry. Modus operandi is to find a cheaper fresh grad with dreams and work him until he has ulcers and hemorrhoids, then fire him.

      [–]BomptonBrotha88 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      Perhaps the process of "paying dues" weeds out those who lack the fortitude or character to see it through to the rewarding parts, and that's part of why the stuff that seems mean or spiteful is there in the first place.

      [–]1Dev_on 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      sounds like how the CF trains clearance divers, JTF, and search and rescue techs.

      Theres only limited spots, and they just push until they get the ones who wanted it bad enough stick around. Most of the brutal parts of training re in the prelims... not that it makes you a better tradesmen, but it does ensure that you have a sense of accomplishment, and that you know that you want to be there bad enough to stick it out.

      [–]1Dev_on 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      true. I do remember never listening to guys telling me life lessons growing up. I did watch the failures and learn from their mistakes.

      Thats why when I get old enough where I have the urge to tell people this IRL, I'll keep my mouth shut.

      can't remember the rule, but don't tell, show. the lack of company men and a heirarchy in the business world, definitely having to make it work on a more abstract level

      [–]El_7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      It should be hard and we should have to pay some dues, that's how nature set it up. If you can be successful, clever, and an all around badass then you'll send your genetics into the future with a favorable situation ensuring success. If a man is hard bitten it probably means a due has done him in, take their advice with a grain of salt. A person can suffer hardships and not become a spiteful cunt, I think that's what building character is actually about, or at least it should be.

      [–]MensaNominee 22 points23 points  (1 child)

      hey try to drag younger women into their same path as affirmation of what they've done.

      Powerful. This is one of those thoughts I've had subconsciously but you just made it 100% real.

      [–]1Dev_on 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      it's not just women,it's a human failing. When you make a choice thats different than the other guy, his reaction to it is proportional to how big a life decision it is, regardless of how happy it made him.

      he has kids, and a miserable life with a harpy? better believe he's taking it as an affront if you decide not to do that. he doesn't want the reminder of what could have been, and it points out that maybe he's made bad decisions in life...

      We would all rather be right, than be happy

      [–]GhostOfAladdin 7 points8 points  (1 child)


      Feminism drives women crazy. It is the most epic example of hamstering. I really feel sorry for feminists, to the point I am nice to them.

      [–]makethemsayayy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I feel sorry for the single old feminists. the ones just trying to push for agendas to help women cry rape and help it get pushed through with less and less evidence can go fuck themselves and like an old, lonely life as far as I'm concerned:)

      [–]AlphaBetaOmegaGamma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      A wise man once said : "Mediocrity loves company"

      [–]tipofmywang 19 points20 points  (3 children)

      Older women, even by just a few years, HATE women who are younger. My buddy (32) just started banging this 18 year old. She's a looker, and she's crazy about him. His younger sister is like 23 years old, and she can't STAND it. His sister used to be hot but got kinda fat, and now she's all pissed that her older brother is pulling some hot young thing while she's barely getting the kind of guys she used to get. She was calling the 18 year old a baby and making snide comments recently. Shit had me rolling.

      [–]makethemsayayy 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      Yeah just stay mad and insult people instead of exercising!

      [–]1independentmale 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      That's the way of the fatty, though. Bitch and complain and point their fat fingers at others.

      [–]cosmicartery 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Wow I think that's the same situation I'm in. My gf is 21, her sister is 24 and from the very beginning she had something against me. Granted, she's a huge feminists/queer supporter and I'm a privileged white, straight male, so I'm sure somehow in her mind I'm the enemy. But after reading your comment, the fact that I might have higher SMV and good professional opportunities might play a huge part it in. Recently she's been treating her sister (my gf) like shit.

      [–]UsernameIWontRegret 20 points21 points  (10 children)

      Bro I think I just had a breakthrough.

      I've always been interested in evolutionary relations between the genders. It is a common argument that society developed to mirror the 'households' of pre-historic times, with men being the wise elders. Well, what if the reason men became the "wise leaders" is because the advice they passed on to younger generations was actually good advice. Men willing to see the truth and pass on better instructions to their young. Women might naturally not be able to tell this truth, just as you described, and therefore the young would not look to them as leaders.

      Sorry if this seems sloppy but mind = blown.

      This feminist tendency to deny the truth to the end might just be a modern offshoot of the biological tendencies of the female brain.

      [–]RobertCarraway 27 points28 points  (1 child)

      From Joseph Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" - published in 1902.

      ""You forget, dear Charlie, that the laborer is worthy of his hire?" she said, brightly. It's queer how out of touch with truth women are. They live in a world of their own, and there has never been anything like it, and never can be. It is too beautiful altogether, and if they were to set it up it would go to pieces before the first sunset. Some confounded fact we men have been living contentedly with ever since the day of creation would start up and knock the whole thing over"

      [–]Endorsed Contributorcocaine_face 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Wow, that passage is dripping with understanding about how women work.

      [–]Popeman79[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Maybe it has something to do with testosterone, or maybe with our cognitive abilities (women see more the now, unfiltered, whereas men are more prone to reflect and think long-term). idk

      [–]bunnylicious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I think you are confusing preference with stubbornness here. Women that are too old to salvage their lives probably realize their mistakes and are filled with regret. However, why on top of that misery would they want to admit their failures to anyone? Especially to a man? They would much rather pretend they are happy to at least preserve what they believe is their dignity. In this case, I don't believe it is hamstering, I don't think they are avoiding any pain, they are just putting on a show.

      I have hope for humanity still... It may seem hopeless right now, but I think women will catch on eventually!

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        [–]1Dev_on 16 points17 points  (0 children)

        I always wonder about that. I've seen enough harpy, middle aged housewives that are downright bitter, that I wonder if the spinster type femenist is really much unhappier, or just as bitter as the married woman, but without someone to browbeat.

        too bad that search for happiness isn't the femenist #1 goal... it would actually be a pretty good one everyone could get behind. Too busy getting in a tiff over video games I guess

        [–]TooMuchToDoo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        If the "failures" which we call "aging childless Feminists" actually DID realize their mistake they might pass this wisdom on to younger females, but they generally reaffirm the failed vision to the death.

        Cognitive Dissonance and Egotism are two very hard things to dismiss. Recommend reading "Mistakes Were Made, But Not By Me".

        [–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (10 children)

        It seems to me that darwin will solve that particular problem albeit too slowly for civilization to find much relief from the problems they create for us.

        [–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        He's been working on it since humans have graced this planet. Otherwise things would be even more screwed up!

        [–]Dark triad expert: - - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 142 points143 points  (43 children)

        Women shine brighter but burn out quicker.

        Men start out as candles that keep getting blown out in the wind, but end up becoming the fucking sun itself (if they apply themselves rigorously enough.)

        It may be harder to be a man than to be a woman in many ways, men may take the bulk of the responsibility, but I would infinitely prefer to endure the trials and tribulations of men than the mediocrity inherent of feminine kind. Clearly a lot of women agree being a woman is boring, because the craziest biggest man hating feminists always take on male qualities and become completely unattractive in the process. They have Freudian penis envy on steroids, they are totally and utterly jealous they weren't born men because they defy femininity and it's rather minor responsibilities, instead gravitating towards the masculine. These are usually your naturally high T girls/tomboy types, but feminism as an ideology mandates low T women should aspire to live their lives in much the same way. They use female herd mentality/groupthink to shame and boss low T women into high T female behaviour, essentially, more masculine behaviour.

        Women's biggest philosophical conundrum is this:

        Do I want to be attractive to men, or do I want to be interesting/have a career?

        Because you can't have both. Sure a career woman can get a man, but not a high quality man, not a man she wants or will "be in love with." So what is more important to her? Love or money? Lifelong high quality commitment or academic/business success? The men she wants aren't interested in her. Women always think they can have the best of both "I'm a mother and a CEO!" but they can't. Career mothers breed fucked up kids and expect the father to take on a motherly role. If he won't, the kids are raised by complete strangers (the tale of every rich kid ever in the modern age.)

        Most women indulge the power of their beauty in youth, then start developing an actual personality around 35 once their looks die out and they need to find alternative means to maintain their power in society. Unfortunately, anything women can do, men can do better. Their beauty is their biggest selling point, so the personality they create to make up for the loss of looks is rarely ever as developed as a man's, who has had to develop a strong personality from a very young age just to get by in the world. Women being coddled and flattered and catered to so much is really what makes them, in many ways, as weak and needy and inferior as they are. I do believe women can be a lot better/higher quality than they are, but they'd need to find RPW at a young age. Being a post-wall hag on RPW, or a reformed slut will not get you a male 9 or 10 unless you luck the fuck out. Women past the expiry date have to accept a man will take other mistresses if he is alpha and she waited post-wall (once she lost her youth) to get serious, that or she can monopolise a beta she will never truly "be in love with" (get tingles for.) Every woman wants to monopolise an alpha, but very few have the sheer quality necessary (beauty, intelligence, good disposition) to warrant alpha provider commitment (which is basically RPW endgame.)

        Do I feel sorry for women? No. They get to have 15 years of bliss whilst we sweat and toil. We earn our accolades, they just get born with a vagina in a first world country. They don't give a shit about your struggles either, your sympathy will get you nothing from women but exploitation. Don't feel too sorry for them, they reap what they sow. It's easy to see women as victims, I believe as men we are instinctually inclined to perceive women as such. But they play on that and will fuck you over when it becomes apparent you're a schmuck. So OP for the sake of your own best interest, keep a lid on that shit.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 20 points21 points  (3 children)

        Women always think they can have the best of both "I'm a mother and a CEO!" but they can't. Career mothers breed fucked up kids and expect the father to take on a motherly role. If he won't, the kids are raised by complete strangers (the tale of every rich kid ever in the modern age.)

        You should really look at the CEO of PepsiCo. She's had conflict with her husband based on this, and she's offloaded the responsibility of raising her kids to her secretary.

        [–]through_a_ways 15 points16 points  (1 child)

        I think there's a fundamental reason why women tend the household and men earn the money.

        Tending to a household is asocial. This means fewer opportunities for a wife to be picked up by guys. Even if there are opportunities, they tend to be close in distance, so there is much more danger of word getting out.

        Earning a living (particularly if you're in a position of power) is much more social. More opportunities for sex.

        Also naturally plays well with the "ignore her" strategy; having a work life means your presence will be valued, because you have another obligation. Staying at home means you're "waiting" for her, and always available.

        [–]Hoodwink 1 point2 points  (0 children)


        I have seen parenting responsibility usually off-loaded to au pairs by 'power couples'. There's usually little parenting by the couples and they're generally stuff to do with money - don't get married is the big one. Open relationships. Etc. It's not 'red pill' - it's usually corporate feminist in nature.

        The children are usually absolutely horrible in personal relationships. I only recently encountered a kid who was swapped around a number of foster homes - and some of the behaviors and patterns are similar to the two kids I know who were raised by au pairs. Now, the money and education changes things. But there's a similarity in personal style that is just uncanny.

        Being swapped around by temporary parental figures tends to fuck you up. I'm going to assume the foster child as he grows up can easily realize he's fucked up and work on it - the power couple kid's won't necessarily.

        [–]1NightwingTRP 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Women being coddled and flattered and catered to so much is really what makes them, in many ways, as weak and needy and inferior as they are. I do believe women can be a lot better/higher quality than they are, but they'd need to find RPW at a young age. Being a post-wall hag on RPW, or a reformed slut will not get you a male 9 or 10 unless you luck the fuck out. Women past the expiry date have to accept a man will take other mistresses if he is alpha and she waited post-wall (once she lost her youth) to get serious, that or she can monopolise a beta she will never truly "be in love with" (get tingles for.) Every woman wants to monopolise an alpha, but very few have the sheer quality necessary (beauty, intelligence, good disposition) to warrant alpha provider commitment (which is basically RPW endgame.)

        It should also be noted for the women who do find the knowledge to become a RPW early... that the bar is set so low by all the other women that you'd only need to be average attractiveness to be able to secure one of the highest quality men out there. If ever there was a demonstration of Red Pill knowledge being power...

        I've always had little pity for the ignorant. I don't pity my old blue pill self... he got what was coming to him. A woman who puts in minimal effort and doesn't bother to add proper value to herself won't get any pity from me either. If we then consider the idea of "I can have it all" in the context of the average woman in modern society adding little to no value... it truly becomes utterly laughable. No wonder they find it hard to accept.

        [–]k33p1tc00l 16 points17 points  (22 children)

        From a very banal, pedestrian point on why I like to be a man more - could you imagine the burden of being fucked and came in for life? I would much rather do the fucking.

        I am also happier in the sex where the world wants to see my merits more than my beauty, and wouldn't look at my merits second to my beauty no matter what; imagine if Mother Theresa (or anyone who has helped the poor) looked more like Megan Fox at the time - there would be a lot more attention and care to it.

        [–]Areimanes 13 points14 points  (1 child)

        From a very banal, pedestrian point on why I like to be a man more - could you imagine the burden of being fucked and came in for life? I would much rather do the fucking.

        I love it when women say, after sex, that they fucked that guy if he's a high SMV male.

        No, she got fucked. He fucked her. Not the other way around (unless the guy's into pegging, but that's another story).

        [–]Dark triad expert: - - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 29 points30 points  (17 children)

        Feminine beauty is effectively the gift that is it's own curse.

        [–]k33p1tc00l 16 points17 points  (16 children)

        And the constant fear when you're out of being overpowered and taken (if you're too beautiful), should you not have a man around to protect you or keep you safe (or a gun).

        It seems the hotter the girl I meet or get with the more reserved they are about meeting new people, be it from the greater than average unwanted approaches they receive daily or the unwanted attention they've received since being "pretty" little girls (I quote the word pretty to recognize that yes we can call children pretty or ugly without being pedophiles about it, and here I'm referring to instances where a girl develops younger and may have had issues with family members or close family friends about it).

        [–]1cover20 17 points18 points  (6 children)

        I've found that the hottest women are the easiest to talk to. They are the most normal.

        Maybe being a non-hot woman screws with your personality (I am sure it does) and a hot woman has to choose opportunities and guard a scarce resource. That's the sort of decision that alpha men have to make all the time.

        So if the girl's hot, just be yourself (your non-beta self, lose the beta cues.) I think they really are easy to talk to. And I'm not a hunk by any means. But I am intelligent, to a level that it provides something they lack.

        [–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I can't even tell.

        I'm surprised at how nice some of the more attractive women are and completely thrown off at how bitch the ugly ones are.

        Then just when I think I have it, a pretty chick will be stuck up and an ugly one will be... just as stuck up, but will become sweet as hell as soon as she "thinks" I'm interested.

        I just aim for whoever I find attractive enough. The same exact game works.

        [–]k33p1tc00l 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        That's not what I was saying - it isn't about men she would potentially be with, it's about how they are with everyone. I absolutely prefer girls who (a) have a lot of competition going for them and (b) revel in how securely I trounce that competition.

        [–]bobolino59 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        I'm with an hb10 as I type this, the little bird in front of me can't finish a half pizza due to micro stomach and if I go the bathroom at the mall and leave her alone there's 2 dudes minimum on her when I get back (and I'm a quick pisser) it never fails!

        [–]2emptyform 1 point2 points  (7 children)

        More reserved, but infinitely more pleasant. They have much more experience in polite rejection and much less insecurity about being desirable than the average woman, at least physically. However, they are insecure about their personalities not being cherished, which is partially why they're so much more pleasant, if guarded.

        [–]k33p1tc00l 15 points16 points  (6 children)

        Social media has messed things up a bit letting fat girls have the attention and compliments from suitable mates that only used to be reserved for 9s and 10s.

        [–]BlackHeart89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Exactly. Fat bitches have unreasonably high self-esteem. Or at least they "act" like it anyway.

        [–]2emptyform 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        I don't see it that way. They get validation galore from betas, more than ever before, but they are never satisfied because alphas still don't give them the time of day. Only the 9s and 10s get the top x% of men like they always have.

        [–]k33p1tc00l 6 points7 points  (3 children)

        Okay, I can see this too, but you know they get alphas now and then who punch below their weight for a quick nut.

        [–]2emptyform 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Also very true. This feeds their higher expectations and love/hate relationship towards alphas.

        [–]k33p1tc00l -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        I wish I could hit up a Tinder 9-10 for a drive-by blowjob on the first visit like I could a 5-7.

        [–]Moolg86 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        This is going into the archive. +1000

        [–]Popeman79[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Very insightful IllimitableMan. Thanks.

        [–]LeGrandDiableBlanc 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Most women indulge the power of their beauty in youth, then start developing an actual personality around 35 once their looks die out and they need to find alternative means to maintain their power in society. Unfortunately, anything women can do, men can do better. >Their beauty is their biggest selling point, so the personality they create to make up for the loss of looks is rarely ever as developed as a man's, who has had to develop a strong personality from a very young age just to get by in the world.

        This is becoming an increasingly annoying problem for me. I have been working on myself consciously since I was 16. Mentally, socially, financially, and physically. That's 9+ years, and I have only gotten more serious about self improvement each year.

        I don't mention any of that to brag. Women who are averagely attractive (or more) have little incentive to work on themselves until 25 at a minimum. Many don't start until 40 or later. Once the beauty fades, they will never be able to catch up. Not to mention the fact that self improvement takes time, necessitating (almost in a tragic way) that any gains a woman makes in terms of personality is usually accompanied by an equal or greater loss in physical attractiveness. It's a textbook case of a depreciating asset.

        The logical conclusion is to date women born more recently, however recent social trends have resulted in lower quality women being born each year. It seems like the more recently born, the greater the eagerness with which they eschew traditional social contracts and pursue a life of partying, tattoos, piercings, unfulfilling pseudo-careers, desensitizing sex (STDs included), and a harem of fake boyfriends and beta orbiters.

        The hardest part of the game these days is finding a women who remotely piques interest. Even ONS lose their appeal; it's nothing more than masturbation. These loose girls aren't even usually any more sexually skilled than a fleshlight (I've never been to an escort, but logic would dictate that they may at least have some skill).

        Women's biggest philosophical conundrum is this:

        Do I want to be attractive to men, or do I want to be interesting/have a career?

        Do you think there is an equivalent for men? Some permutation of alpha fucks, beta bucks?

        [–]Dark triad expert: - - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Do you think there is an equivalent for men?

        "Do I want to be a patriarch, or do I want to be a bachelor?"

        If bachelor: go gym and follow the playboy/pua lifestyle. Explore the world to indulge in the full banquet of women that humanity has to offer. Woman-centric strategy.

        If patriarch: keep focussing on self-improvement, talk to women in your spare time. Vet women stringently and stay in LTRs. Have mistresses on the side if deemed necessary. Build up a strong business and tight-knit social circles. Be more strategy/financially focussed than pussy focussed. Family/me-centric strategy.

        [–]1cover20 28 points29 points  (9 children)

        2 other points:

        1. women don't realize they're past the wall until several years after the fact. Getting dates is harder but they rationalize and work on their game a bit to compensate. Then they still get dates, just that they're all pump and dump.

        2. there's not only the dating clock but the biological clock for women. And men who want a family are well aware of it, moreso than before probably.

        [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (6 children)

        Your first point is huge. Women at or past the wall take a while to realize (if at all) that the awesome guy who they gave their pussy up for instantly isn't now going to lock in with her. I see it time and again with a married woman I know who constantly looks to branch-swing only to get fucked and chucked. Even more 'sensitive' guys with some value are still too wary of locking in with a woman past her prime. They'll entertain the idea and then bounce when it doesn't sit well with them because their core nature says 'no.'

        [–]stimulated_narcolept 22 points23 points  (5 children)

        "Where have all the good men gone?"

        [–]makethemsayayy 5 points6 points  (3 children)

        You got old, bitch. You should've used your youth and beauty to your advantage when you had the chance!

        [–]CreepAcceptance 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Well they did use it to their short-term-feels-good advantage, that is securing cash and prizes from their orbiters; attention and lashings of cum from their alpha fucks.

        Most exist in basic live for the moment YOLO culture, why plan for the future when today just feels so good. There's no incentive to try harder, or to delay that validation and reward.

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          [–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (23 children)

          I agree to a point;

          Two of these hardships (1st and 3rd) for women are only present in a woman's life if she is pretty/hot/attractive. If she just isnt pretty (working out can't change an unappealing face, or a deformity, etc), she is essentially a guy in that no one gives a happy shit about what she wants. It's like she was born post-wall.

          Red Pill tends to forget, not every woman is born a 9/10, and not every woman can gym their way there. Some women just arent cute, they didnt hit the genetic lottery, and because of that they don't ever believe that "omg people just like me b/c i am so nice like omg lol" because they have never been white knighted or treated specially.

          Either these women will go hard core feminist in some attempt to force men to like them or ptretend that they dont care about men, or they will swallow the pill early, realizing they have next to no value as a hot fuck on the CC, but can actually improve themselves as an LTR (cutivating feminine traits, attitdes, hobbies, and skills is somehing any woman can do).

          Just a thought.

          [–]Popeman79[S] 35 points36 points  (1 child)

          Totally agree. We forget about them ugly chicks.

          Most girls, even below average, will still get some dick and some love when they're young, because a fresh flower is still a fresh flower. But for a few of them, it's not the case.

          Those girls sometimes grow as man-haters, same as the anger phase for redpillers. They think : "why are all the guys only interested in stupid bimbos, while I have so much more to offer" and I understand them. I feel their pain. But if they get passed the anger phase, they can become amazing people.

          Also, if you have a great personality, you tend to age gracefully. My dad used to say that when you're 20, you got the face that luck gave you; when you're 40, you got the face you deserve.

          [–]LarryLove 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          My dad used to say that when you're 20, you got the face that luck gave you; when you're 40, you got the face you deserve.

          My dad said "you might as well date skinny chicks while you're young cause they all get fat when they get older." Sniff

          [–]Nerf_Circus 18 points19 points  (2 children)

          If /r/fatlogic or /r/fatpeoplehate have taught me anything it's that even the ugliest, obese, immobile pile of blubber can get a beta provider.

          [–]nasty-as-always 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Immobile pile of blubber is a hilarious way of putting it.

          [–]mjdavi111 17 points18 points  (3 children)

          As a physically deformed woman, this gives me hope.

          [–]DexterousRichard 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          There are SO many women who literally do the opposite of everything they could be doing to attract a guy other than looking hot.

          Being cute, fun, non-argumentative, supportive, loving, kind, bubbly, vivacious, caring, being a good cook and enjoying a man enjoying her cooking (this is HUGE), never nagging or being sarcastic or negative...

          Christ almighty, I would fall on my face and go into a coma if a woman baked me something and told me with a cute smile.

          The physical attraction is fundamental, but it's not the only thing.

          [–]OakTr3E 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          There is a fat girl at my workplace. Not "american-fat" but "european-fat". She is physically a 4 because her face is somewhat cute (although losing 30 pounds would certainly make her look good, maybe a 6-7). But she is confident, charming, kind and with a good sense of humor. She never seems to be in a bad mood or display jealousness. This improves her SMV greatly and I would put her in the fuckable-category (which is rare personally if you are below 6, even rarer below 5) if it weren't for the fact that she works at my place and is connected to some of my social circles.

          Now I "just" like her and appreciate talking to her every once in a while because she is always in a good mood.

          And of course I have met more girls that have higher SMV than average despite being physically below average. If this girl would lose 30 pounds her SMV could sky-rocket because she already have a great personality.

          [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

          Come on over to /r/redpillwomen; its all about learning the skills of being a desirable LTR woman :)

          [–]LifterofThings 4 points5 points  (11 children)

          Red Pill tends to forget, not every woman is born a 9/10

          It's the same shit as the women perceive of the men. They see the top 20%, scrutinize their behaviors at length, try to decipher their behaviors, etc etc. and the rest of the population is invisible. It's not necessarily good or bad, it just IS.

          I think it breeds a lot of the resistance against TRP, personally. Through solipsism, if you've never experienced the extreme privilege of being an attractive woman, it's easy to just imagine that it doesn't exist.

          [–]Azothlike 21 points22 points  (10 children)

          Uh, no. Men don't only see the 20%. Okcupid men rate female attraction on a fair bell curve, okcupid women do not.

          Average women are born with extreme social privilege, nevermind just attractive women. Average women think they're funny because average men lie for sex. Even young unattractive women get free validation from the occasional incel, that ugly men do not.

          [–]JohnGalt316 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          the wall is much tougher to swallow than the red pill

          [–]PaulMurrayCbr 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          One reason it's called "the wall" is that any idiot could see it coming up ahead, if only they looked and paid attention.

          [–]2emptyform 41 points42 points  (36 children)

          In a way, I don't want them to. Not to exploit, but because their feminine energy is so much more lively when it's not burdened down by "harsh reality". No, I don't want a whore who's ridden the cock carousel, rollercoaster and sky tram, but I want to have my career in place in 5 years so that I can get a young woman who hasn't slept around but also doesn't know the harsh world that lies out there. Femininity is so beautiful and pure when it's truly innocent--its ugly side comes out after being exposed to the world. This is why I think boys and girls should be raised differently--boys need challenge and hardship to become men, girls need ease and comfort to stay girls. I will gladly take on the burden of facing the world, not confiding in her my doubts & fears, not asking her to understand the pain and failure I have to undergo as a man to progress, not even asking that she help out financially....if she's a beautiful, youthful woman who simply wants to keep a nice home, give me all the sex I could want, and spend her days filling her life with love so that I come home to love, and not a burned out career woman. For that, the burden of being a man is entirely worth it.

          Is this a fantasy? Perhaps. I think it's an attainable reality, though, especially as more and more women reject feminism as I see them doing.

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            [–]Areimanes 34 points35 points  (6 children)

            My girls just have to stay beautiful, stay sheltered, stay virgins, and their father and I will filter out everyone undesirable.

            Be careful not to keep them too sheltered. Some of the biggest sluts at my college were the ones that were raised in a religious, sheltered home.

            I also remember a joke from Jim Jeffries, that goes like this (paraphrasing): "I hope my son gets his share of pussy or cock! I hope he fucks everything that his heart desires. That's what I want for my son! But no father ever wants for his daughter to be fucked by everyone."

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              [–]R4F1 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              It doesn't have to be a game of chance. If you can genuinely instill certain morals and discipline into kids, they can be programmed ("taught") to avoid doing things you don't want them to be doing. Something that tells them from the inside "this is wrong/ im above this".

              There are certain parents who are very strict with rules; you can't do this, you can't do that. But they don't really explain why, I think those are the cases where kids are more likely to break the rules simple because kids/people are rebellious by nature, and if a rule "doesn't make sense" (because you never explained why) then they will break it. Whether its religion, or whether its teaching them about sexual economics/biology (as per TRP), you should teach your daughters precisely why certain actions have consequences and need to be avoided.

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                [–]R4F1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I think that's the best way to approach it!

                [–]Popeman79[S] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

                That's very interesting. I have a daughter but no boys, and I always wonder how different it will be to raise boys. I instinctively agree with everything you say.. you raise a boy to expand, a girl to preserve. You preserve her innocence, her beauty, her goodness, and the world will be good to her. You expand the boy's will, skills, strength, and he will be good to the world.

                [–]RedPillProphet 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Be careful not to be too heartless with your sons. They need their mother's soft side... you will be the only person that will EVER provide this for them. Don't take that away from them.

                No it won't turn them into complete wimps. As a personal anecdote: I would be considered very successful in all aspects of life so far, 6 figure salary at 26, fit, good with women, moved out at 19 etc. Yet my mother is to this day my primary source of emotional support. If it wasn't for the emotional security net she provided I would have given up on life a long time ago.

                Testosterone, sports and competition have a natural way of hardening a person. Use those tools instead of being cold to your kids.

                [–]long-lostfriend 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                I have two daughters myself, and I would add to your list that we need to do more. We have to teach them to reject feminist lies that will be calling out to them their whole lives. We have to teach them to be wary of other girls and women who will try and make them feel inferior for doing so. Most importantly, we need to consciously teach them to respect and submit to their husbands.

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                  [–]long-lostfriend 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  If it is in your family, that is excellent. That is certainly not the case in the larger society, however.

                  [–]OakTr3E 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Neoteny is word you can google. Babies have it. I guess girls more so. When adults women still have a good amount of neotenous traits. That´s what gives them the pussy-pass among other things.

                  These instincts are hard-wired and of course not social constructs as feminists would have you believe. "Trying to remove the social constructs" in reality means creating social constructs to try to raise boys and girls equally. But since the genders aren't equal the outcome will not be equal men and women.

                  What is done is pendulum pushing. Feminists think that it is slightly left of the middle and that they are helping it come down to the middle. But in reality it's way up high to the right and soon they won't be able to hold it up. It will swing back with force and might actually swing past the middle despite rabid feminists doing their best to resist the momentum.

                  [–]colombianguy 7 points8 points  (5 children)

                  Femininity is so beautiful and pure when it's truly innocent--its ugly side comes out after being exposed to the world.

                  It's been a long time since I've read it, but I think this was echoed, and elaborated on, in Deida's book The Way of The Superior Man. Women dismiss or seem to forget just how attractive--even outright irresistible--a woman can be to men when she possesses an air of vibrant, youthful innocence that hasn't yet been corrupted by the ways of the world. Unless the men around her are scum who take advantage of her, her innocence will naturally bring out the protector and provider natures out of the men around her, which is as it should be.

                  [–]2emptyform 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                  One time, a cute little Asian ONS asked me if she needed to leave as we were cuddling, and god damn if it didn't melt this cold heart.

                  [–]colombianguy 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                  Been there myself, man, and totally know what you mean. It was with a cute, slender, early 20-something Salvadorean I had met through work. She had moved to the US in her early teens, and she had this absolutely charming and playful girlishness about her, which made her so much more attractive. We clicked and dated for 2 very enjoyable years. Even though she wasn't naive or inexperienced, she did make you feel like she was having every experience with you for the first time. It was intoxicating and made my jaded heart melt.

                  [–]Lt_Muffintoes 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                  Imagine you had wings.

                  The world is at your feet. People adore and are amazed by you everywhere you go. You are free in a way most people cannot imagine.
                  When you fly, people shout at you to go higher and cheer with every breathtaking loop.

                  One day, a sombre man, maybe a doctor, tells you that your beautiful wings will whither and die.
                  That the more you fly, the more quickly their lustre will fade.
                  That you must preserve your wings not for swooping and soaring, but remain earthbound and gift your ability to only one other.
                  That if you squander your vitality, you will grow old, flightless and alone, burdened by your drab and lifeless stalks.

                  I think many would hate this man.

                  [–]thereddespair 13 points14 points  (12 children)

                  Ive been trying to strike exchanges with women here on reddit really, and the moment some realize ive been coming here they start to frown upon it, even if I am one myself.

                  I try to talk of self upliftment and go against entitlement and being consumed by insecurity but alas, futile but not really a surprise. Its true, I love how some women 'demand' worship even when they have to put in the table, even when are so unflattering they expect compliments.

                  The things mentioned up there, I can agree to them. It is hard to swallow, as it is harsh, but it is true nonetheless just as some other concepts you people offer.

                  Time, we really need to start deluding ourselves that it is infinite for us. Sentiment and pursuits, are really best used on more meaningful things, not trivial bullshit.

                  I can only say coming to this place, getting the ideas here, has been really uplifting. I have never felt so motivated and confident in myself than ever before, physically ive been more capable than ever. Its true I guess, company can have effects on you - just as when you see a dancer who just doesnt stop you feel the same energy and you yourself push just as hard. Surrounded by weakness, by stagnation, it is destructive like rust.

                  Surprisingly, though I come off as more of an ass to most women, the few women that I find to be truly fascinating as they are strong in mind and will and life, they love me even more and want to be around me. Men I talk to as well, seem to get a sigh of relief.

                  I guess what Im saying is, if more women would just put down their crap and be open minded and take some of the ideas here - I think they can fix a shit ton of issues and be better out there.

                  Though some of the ideas here are indeed geared towards men, doesnt mean you cant turn it around to fit your situation and use it to your advantage.

                  It is hard, to change. But not impossible

                  [–]1cover20 18 points19 points  (5 children)

                  Unless you're female and past the wall. They really are different from us in that way. Men can always improve. Women can't. I am essentially a nice guy so that I wish the best for everyone. But I've learned that it's futile to wish some things for women (even my friends or family members) who cannot have them.

                  And we are post-wall women's enemies in a way, because we warn men away from ex-party girls and single moms.

                  We warn away the beta bucks just when the girls were counting on latching onto one. No wonder they're angry, and that's fine with me.

                  [–]yes_itsanalt 14 points15 points  (1 child)

                  I don't agree they can't change post-wall. It's just what has to change. I'm 43, so I meet women in my age demo on Tinder and what not all the time. When I get a match, I ask them about their hobbies and what interests them.

                  If I get "well, I love to laugh and ... blah blah blah", I unmatch them. But I have found a few that have interesting hobbies, or interesting things to say and are generally fun to be around. Sex is the easiest thing for a woman to provide. I value the companionship, good conversation, and mutual hobbies.

                  Post wall women need to take the same advice as all men. Be the type of person that a man would like to spend time with by being interesting. Women get a free pass until they are 30-ish. Most are ill equipped or misinformed about what it is like after that to know what to do.

                  [–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  If I get "well, I love to laugh and ... blah blah blah", I unmatch them

                  Seriously... what the actual fuck. I have like a dozen hobbies. If they don't have one, single hobby, what else is wrong.

                  [–]thereddespair 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                  Yes I am female. I can only say I try.

                  I am aware of the ideas here, some even go against me, but nevertheless some can help. Information is everywhere, learning doesnt need to be in a space that showers you with praises.

                  [–]moderatorsAREshit 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                  There's something hugely dishonest about post-cock carousel sluts locking in a beta bux. I am not angry at these women, I am angry for their husbands. But you can't save everyone.

                  [–]jcrpta 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                  RP isn't about PUA tricks; it's about genuinely seeking to be the best man you possibly can be.

                  A lot of the time, the ultimate goal is "in order to get laid more often", but it's trying to get laid by being the sort of man that women are attracted to, not by faking it long enough to get the girl separated from her knickers.

                  You can't do this without understanding what makes women interested in the first place - while we may not agree on everything, most men will agree that what gets results and what society says should get results are two very different things.

                  Of course, as soon as you start going against what society claims to want, you're opening yourself up for a whole barrage of criticism because you're not being politically correct. But we don't need the whole world to agree with us, we just need to do what works.

                  [–]thereddespair 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  It may be about being the best man you possibly can be, but it still offers generic ideas that a woman can use to simply be better. Granted they lean towards some traits that society associate more to masculinity, to the point that women even think youre male to be carrying such ideas - who cares, what works works. Goal is to improve, real results and not just words.

                  I hate political correctness and yes, I dont need the whole world to agree with me and my ways.

                  And to improve, is to understand yourself first, including the bad things about you. In a world that coats flaws with candy, nothing is more helpful than a place and ideas that expose them for what they are.

                  [–]makethemsayayy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  You could be an NFL coach with that kind of pep-talk

                  [–]human_bean_ 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                  My yoga instructor had a really nice ass for a 50 year old, tho. Thirsty as fuck guys will always exist. Only thing I see going away permanently for woman, is finding that good man. She will still be able mostly to coast through life by manipulating and using eager, brainwashed men sheep.

                  Ugly and fat though. You can't escape those two rules written in stone.

                  These days even ugly and fat single mom doesn't mean that much. You still get money from the government. It's easy to hold your child as a hostage. The depth of beta and omega can never be underestimated.

                  [–]chtrchtr_pussyeater 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                  I think the majority of women get used to using their looks to get what they want in life. It starts out when they're little and cute and parents tell them they're mommy's/daddy's little princess. They grow up with a metaphorical tiara around their head that is only reinforced in their teens and twenties.

                  Sure as shit though that tiara will fade along with her looks.

                  [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil 12 points13 points  (2 children)

                  If you want to achieve greatness you have to make yourself uncomfortable. Want to get to the top of Everest? Then you have to struggle up a mountain. Want to improve your body? Lift heavy weights. Want to improve your mind? Accept painful bitter truth. Men have an advantage in that other men have no problem calling them out.

                  On the otherhand women dont call each other out. Women love being comfortable above all else. Women spend their time thinking about stupid shit and conforming rather than explore deep controversial issues.

                  Old women talk about petty shit like gardens and brunches. Old men have real wisdom to share because they actually lived.

                  [–]metalhead4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Your last point is pretty accurate. My great grandmother is a social butterfly still at 91 years old. My great grandfather worked hard to provide her a happy life and marriage for 70 years.

                  [–]shannonrw 10 points11 points  (3 children)

                  This is exactly why, above all else, I feel so happy to have found TRP and RPW at my current age, 19, before I started doing any behaviors that would've ended up fucking me over later in life. It wouldn't have helped me if I had found it six or 11 years from now. If you have an open mind, TRP is easy to swallow for girls at a young age in my opinion. Now it makes me crazy to hear my 23 year old sister talk about wanting to focus on her career and not start her family until her 30's. They think I'm crazy for wanting to get married five years from now but I know that when I'm older I'll be happier for it. TRP helps EVERYONE who's willing to apply it.

                  [–]mjdavi111 21 points22 points  (1 child)

                  As a woman this was eye-opening

                  [–]LimboLoves 25 points26 points  (0 children)

                  And? I'm curious what your take is.

                  [–]yumyumgivemesome 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                  This sounds incredibly depressing for women. When the truth begins to set in around a woman who refused to swallow the pill, who in the world would want to be around? As OP says, it must be a very empty and depressing time for her.

                  I read many posts in this subreddit bitching about how privileged women are, and I always think, "WTF dude, I'm fucking glad I'm a man. How could you not be?" Let those women have their youthful fun while we strive to become the men that get to enjoy them during their age of flourishing. And of course, if we grow exhausted of the game, we can settle down with them any moment we want.

                  [–]grewapair 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                  My experience is that they tend to overcompensate. You date smoking hot 22 year old and take her out to a $50 per meal (including lemon drops) dinner, and they are ecstatic.

                  Now date a 35 year old who has stopped being able to control her weight, and her looks and boobs are headed down and she is having trouble getting dates for the first time in her life, and that woman will insist on a $125 per meal (including wine) dinner, minimum. They need to know more than ever that the "still have it" and they are competing on Facebook against the married women whose husbands have become more successful and are posting photos from expensive restaurants, so they need that kind of validation even though they are half as hot as they once were. I pay more, get less.

                  F that. My choice is either finding someone more entitled and half as hot or finding someone with almost no real life experience (i.e. says stupid shit all day long) who everyone thinks is my daughter. And everyone wonders why I rarely date.

                  [–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                  and that woman will insist on a $125 per meal (including wine) dinner, minimum.

                  It would take me 20 minutes to stop laughing if someone suggested that.

                  I vary between making them pay, or not doing something that costs. I run a charity and tell them straight up, I'm not lavishing money on them when there's hungry people to feed.

                  Lol, $125. I'd look at her and say, are you insane? People have to live on that much money for an entire month of meals. 90 meals!

                  [–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  I'd just say "are you insane?" and no more than that. No need to explain. She's done nothing to earn that from me so it I cannot consider it. That's all.

                  It might drive her away but you're not losing anything worthwhile, for sure if it does.

                  [–]hey_prettymama 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                  I don't like reading TRP, but some of the descriptions of women on here eerily remind me of myself and it is humbling.

                  [–]MisterTrucker 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                  Would you say that a woman that gets upset about the red pill is the kind being talked about? Would a better women know right away that it doesn't apply to them?

                  [–]hey_prettymama 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  Honestly, I don't know how to answer that. I don't agree with everything said on trp, but some posts, like this one, really sheds a light on an issue bigger than I imagined. I gladly take what I have read and apply it in ways I think I could benefit, which is why it can be sometimes humbling for me. And why I always come back for more :P

                  [–]MisterTrucker 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  I'm confused by TRP sometimes too. There is definitely too much Alpha talk. Tone it down from prison guard to leader and it may be okay. Women dig comfort & security.

                  [–]the_red_scimitar 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                  True enough. I have one female friend who is very aware of TRP, reads this subreddit, and makes a point of not behaving in those ways. A very thoughtful person in general. She may well see this post (wave!)

                  [–]JovianTrainWreck 3 points4 points  (6 children)

                  --> No matter what feminists tell you, you won’t fill fulfilled if you don’t have a household or a family of your own. You don’t realize it now because you’re young and everything revolves around you, but when you’re older you’ll notice that your life feels empty. Just look at those 50years old women with no kids or loving husband, they are truly miserable and bored to death.

                  True as fuck. A certain podcast told me about this funny little clip where it's some guy versus a feminist + some lame-ass white knight. It's truly sickening looking at her smug face regurgitating her BS, but it's comforting to know that she, among many others like her, have to learn the hard way.

                  On a side note though, I dunno about you guys but where I live, any woman over 25 without kids is pretty much a unicorn (pardon me while I lower the bar further than it already is :)

                  [–]Popeman79[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                  Where do you live? Where I come from (Europe) it's the contrary: all women are independent and strong and wait to have kids as the last thing to do on their list, when they're 35 -whereas it should be one of the first, fullfilling things to do for them.

                  [–]JovianTrainWreck 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                  Midwest America. It's probably a whole different story the closer to the coasts you get, but I sure as hell don't know from experience yet. I have yet to meet one of these mythical "spinster" women people speak of.

                  I didn't know that about Europe though, it must be nice having less single mothers to constantly dodge. as long as you guys aren't going full-on Japan with the fertility rates or anything I guess.

                  [–]Popeman79[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                  If it weren't for immigration, we would indeed be full-on japan mode.

                  Western high value women don't want to be moms anymore, they want to be empowered. Low value women want to have kids because it gives them social validation and extra money (from the dad or the State). Fucked up in my opinion.

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                    [–]Popeman79[S] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                    I'm sure career-oriented women can be happy. It's just a fallacy to think they can have it all. A career, a faithful husband that makes them wet, 2,5 kids, a labrador and a mortgage. TRP says that men and women are different, and chemistry works if you have two complementary entities that associate. You can't be everything at once, that's all. Sure you can be a happy woman in a career, as long as you know what you are sacrificing for that.

                    [–]jbrendlinger6152 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                    i just wish women would just admit how much easier life is for them

                    [–]Hoodwink 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    Well, sometimes they get fed shit like 'fat acceptance', 'slut walks', and 'bossy'. And 'having it all'. Also, they need (rather than 'can' with trade-offs) to compete with men in the workplace.

                    Notice how it all comes from the same source? A source almost all woman can immediately respect and try to find life guidance from? Shit that gets parroted by Presidents, academics, and celebrities.

                    The only thing that even tries to go against it in the public sphere is the most retarded religious conservatives. Stuff like evolution doesn't exist and the earth was only 6000 years old or the crazy shit Mormons believe about aliens.. you don't want allies like that - they're really the perfect enemy because you can't take them seriously at all.

                    [–]attractive_craft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I'm just going to throw this out there. Maybe the whole no-sex before marriage thing actually benefitted society more than we thought?

                    [–]novemberguest 14 points15 points  (15 children)

                    The over-generalizations on this board and this page in general almost render the entire post inaccurate.

                    I don't know what kind of socioeconomic position other posters are used to, but in an upper-class social sphere, the popular, attractive, happy people pass through life maintaining their popularity and glow. Of course some women fall through the cracks and make poor personal life decisions, just as many males never succeed in the corporate sphere. Aging is inevitable, but most mature people accept it as just another part of life. In the words of David Foster Wallace, "Everybody worships... Worship your body and beauty and sexual allure and you will always feel ugly. And when time and age start showing, you will die a million deaths before they finally grieve you."

                    I've heard and seen far too many men try to derive hope and happiness from what they like to envision as the "downfall" of all the women who have rejected them and far fewer men attempt to create their own happiness through personal success and hard work.

                    tl;dr: Most women don't follow the single life trajectory that /trp/ likes to repeat as if it's fact-- most women live happy, fulfilling lives long after the age of thirty.

                    [–]ProductivityMonster 8 points9 points  (4 children)

                    oh so being rich, popular, attractive through older ages, and happy will allow a person to live a fulfilling life? /s Your argument begs the question. No kidding that rich, popular, happy women with superior genetics will be fulfilled - this applies to just about anyone, male or female. OP was talking about most people, not the top few % of the socioeconomic and genetic spheres who will be happy unless they entirely screw up the golden platter they were given.

                    But I agree with you about focusing on ourselves and not deriving pleasure in the "downfall" of women. I also agree that it's not quite as grim as OP paints it for women, especially rich women. Then again, wealth shields everyone (male and female) from the unpleasantness of the world.

                    [–]novemberguest 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                    I suppose it's just hard for me to relate... the majority of posters on this board assume that nearly every woman is a bar slut who fucks guys left and right of her, and that's not the world I live in.

                    [–]whitey_male 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    I agree. Almost all women never have to grow up. If they don't get married there's a tonne of decent, easy jobs they can do that pay pretty much just as much as the hard as nails jobs men do. For instance I was looking at jobs the other day and I see a job for a library manager paying about $100k, for only 35 hours a week. The western world panders to their inherent weakness which is why feminism is so offensive.

                    Not having kids is lonely at times but it's also awesome because of the freedom, and you don't have to deal with the possibility of shitty families and divorce.

                    Also, these days it's not until 40 that a hot woman will start to degrade, so they can fuck around and have amazing sex until then, and it won't be until 45-50 until they're too raggedy and will be a turn off.

                    So not having had that life myself I wouldn't know how satisfying that could be, I would think 20-25 years of awesome sex and the utmost dignity hot women get would probably be enough to satisfy someone for life.

                    [–]Areimanes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                    Also, these days it's not until 40 35 that a hot woman will start to degrade, so they can fuck around and have amazing sex until then, and it won't be until 45-50 40 until they're too raggedy and will be a turn off.

                    Only if they keep in shape. Even then, you can see the wear and tear on their bodies.

                    Some of the women I went to high school with have slammed into The Wall at the speed of light, and I'm not even 25 yet. Excessive partying, drinking, smoking and tanning beds will do you in.

                    [–]d6x1 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                    Prince charming is a mirage, a fallacy, a Disney fantasy. Forget prince charming, girls, he doesn't exist. Stop wasting your time and get real.

                    [–]1tombreck2 9 points10 points  (13 children)

                    Some women have a soft wall depending on their genetics (some asian women in their 40s look like they are in their 20s) which means a lot of them can keep still be in their prime through 40.

                    [–]jcrpta 10 points11 points  (3 children)

                    I think I understand you, but I also think that was worded a little clumsily.

                    IME, most girls will ride the carousel until they're about 29-31 - then they'll get married and have babies so fast it'd make your head spin. I can't count the number of girls who were happy to bounce from one boyfriend to another, each relationship lasting maybe 10-12 months, then suddenly they meet someone and they're married with baby #1 on the way within 18-24 months. Some won't bother with the getting married first, they'll just come off the pill and have a kid with whoever they happen to be riding right this minute.

                    A few will keep riding the carousel a few years later than most, but we're talking no more than 10-15% of girls. Of those 10-15%, the great majority will be the girls who were blessed by genetics to keep their looks that bit longer. I honestly don't think fertility even occurs to them until their looks start to fade - there are enough women who become mums in their late 30s/early 40s that any half-decent hamster could justify one more go on the carousel.

                    [–]1tombreck2 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                    Exactly. You'll find the decent looking late 30s women at clubs on the weekend with their egos fluffed up through the roof.

                    [–]Popeman79[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                    they'll just come off the pill and have a kid with whoever they happen to be riding right this minute

                    So true. It doesn't matter who the guy is is. And the guy thinks he hit the lottery, whereas he was just at the wrong place (between this girl's legs) at the wrong time. When he realizes it's too late, he's been divorce-raped.

                    [–]jcrpta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Happened with my (female) cousin. Her hamster told her she "couldn't get pregnant" (which I think means "... so you don't need to bother with taking your pill!").

                    Amazing coincidence that she was about 31 at the time.

                    [–]1cover20 15 points16 points  (8 children)

                    Are you kidding? Let's say you're a 35 year old man, you go out with a 30 year old, after a few times you find out she's really 40.

                    It wouldn't matter to you, a lot? It sure would to me, if I wanted an LTR, and especially (given the context of OP) if kids were in the future. They might not be in the future if she's 40, regardless of what you want. Clock ran out.

                    [–]ProductivityMonster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    yea but she still gets treated better overall as a result of looking good at an older age, even if she cannot land a top quality guy.

                    [–]1tombreck2 -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

                    Look at hollywood, every women has the potential soft wall that will allow them to get an alpha later in life. Clooney just married a 36 year old

                    [–]1trplurker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    To be fair Clooney didn't marry her out of emotional attachment but for her social value. It's a business arrangement, he handles the business and she handles the social calender and events. They arrive together, he goes and talks business with the men while she entertains and deals with their wives. It's been the successful social model for the wealthy for centuries.

                    [–]fulhamfan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    I need to print this out and put it on my wall

                    [–]slurmfactory 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    Jesus, the accuracy of this post is ridiculous. It makes me sick and looking at my exes in this way just shows the truth, they'll say it's lack of love but it's just them wanting that Alpha feeling.

                    [–]DreamBoatGuy25 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                    This may sound depressing for women but it's really only bad because they started out so high and have a long way to fall and even then they still do pretty good.

                    For example the only time women are really in a bad way is when they get old or if they really lost the genetic lottery and are really ugly. And even then there are still going to be plenty of guys out there who will fuck them and even wife them up. Those guys won't be George fucking Clooney, of course, but that's the only real tragedy of being an old or ugly woman, they all think they deserve George Clooney so when they don't get him and end up having to settle down with Joe Mediocre, it's a huge blow. And a lot of women don't even get to this point. They find themselves a nice beta before they even hit the wall. They may never be as happy as they were with the alpha but they have a decent life and are taken care of. The truth is most women do end up getting to have their cake and eat it too.

                    I mean certainly everything is relative, but sex and companionship are such enormous parts of life, and ultimately women have higher access, than men, to both, it's just not always on the picture perfect terms that they think they are entitled to.

                    And you know what? I would actually be ok with women having their cake and eating it too, if men got to do the same. Legalize prostitution, create perfect virtual sex and girlfriend experience simulators, hell, create perfect robots that look like Kate Upton and can be programmed with a realistic personality to be the perfect wife. If we had those things men would never talk to another human woman again because we would no longer need to deal with their inane bullshit.

                    I think that's where the imbalance problem comes from. Post industrial revolution women moved into the workplace and negated one of the primary factors of attraction they had for men. His ability to provide and his social status. And now they have so much more trouble finding happiness because they've priced themselves out of their own standards for a mate. It's like walking around with a mouth full of sugar. You're not going to be able to appreciate the taste of that ice cream or that cake. Give men the ability to satisfy their need for sex in the same way women were given the ability to satisfy their need for a provider and social status and then things will be balanced again. Of course it'll just be a balance of the two genders pretty much ignoring each other, which is what's happening in Japan, it seems, but at least it won't be what it is now in the west, one sided, with women getting what they want and men still having to chase after them for what we want.

                    [–]watersign 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    Talk about ending the year with a BANG ON FUCKING POST!! Amen!!

                    [–]RPthrowaway123 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                    I imagined you dropping the mike and walking offstage after reading all that. Great points.

                    [–]tensorstrength 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    they have a hard time swallowing a lot of things

                    [–]bobolino59 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                    "No matter what feminists tell you, you won’t fill fulfilled if you don’t have a household or a family of your own. You don’t realize it now because you’re young and everything revolves around you, but when you’re older you’ll notice that your life feels empty. Just look at those 50years old women with no kids or loving husband, they are truly miserable and bored to death."

                    Utter bullshit. Women are just as capable as men to focus 100% on their own lives for ever. They might feel bad in the death bed that no one came but before that a rich single woman can feel great about her life. There is no rule that says they need kids, some women compensate very well with a pet dog or cat.

                    It's a biological failure to be sure but there's no guarantee they feel that way.

                    I'm not even going to explore infanticide and women who simply hate the kids. Kids does not equate to fulfilled and no kids doesn't equate to unfulfilled. Way simplistic.

                    [–]Popeman79[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    It's not just kids. In my original post I wrote kids or a household.

                    Women can be happy without kids, but I don't think they can be happy alone. A guy can be a conquerer (Napoleon), be lonely and feel fullfilled, because it's our nature. A woman can be rich and successfull, but she needs somebody to love. If not their hearts dry up.

                    Sounds sexist only if you believe nature is sexist. To me it's beautiful that women were created by nature to give love and life. The most fullfilling thing of all.

                    [–]Darkone06 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I dont know why your being down voted. I agree. Not everyone wants to have kids and this sub is to focus on the wall as the experation of fertility as the main cause of women waking up and suffering.

                    If she never wanted kids or worse could not have kids this wont be as big of an issue. A women could keep acting as she always has with no remorse towards being kid less.

                    [–]aa223 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    Women have the power after they are 18 but once they approach 30, they have to vie for whoever may want them. It has been proven that women who sleep around are more likely to cheat and if they get married initiate divorce.

                    Women should use their youth to develop feminine hobbies like knitting, growing food, cooking, being good at cleaning any stain, and giving a massage. Hell if they are career orientated then any career that involves children is a plus. And while they do that they should be dating to marry someone who they can see has current and future potential.

                    Women who sleep around and wait til they are 30 will really be shit out of luck. Those type of women are prone to cheating more, initiating divorces, etc. Honestly in a perfect world, women would use their youth to not only find a suitable man to marry but to also develop those feminine skills. However, we are not in a perfect world but thanks to this subreddit this world is a little bit better.

                    [–]Killigraphy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    That's why its easier for men to manipulate them, women aren't trying to change the game (well some are, but to a very small extent), they're complacent in knowing that pretty = attention. Then they can ride the carousel till the beta bux comes in. Warpigs know the game as well, they're not willing to lose the weight so they have to be the "life of the party". The dichotomy hasn't changed in decades, nor will it ever.

                    [–]vorverk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Also, imagine how painful it must be to actually find out that you are crazy.

                    [–]NigTrannyMarxFemJew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Damn this really makes me glad I'm not a fucking woman

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    You forgot the big one: All those hawt guys just want to come inside you. That's it. There is no Ryan-Gosling-in-The-Notebook romance with a high value man.

                    [–]frrunkis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    You’ll wish you married that nice guy you turned down when you were young, and who ended up becoming an amazing man.

                    ended up becoming an amazing man.

                    Isn't the nice guy that women turn down BP?

                    [–]JimBeanery 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Any of you guys ever read The Hedgehog and the Fox?