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[–][deleted] 124 points125 points  (9 children)

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A lot of guys don't know their own value. They don't know how valuable their attention is to women.

The dynamics of a relationship can change in an instance once a guy realizes he can just walk away and not deal with bullshit.

[–][deleted] 67 points68 points  (8 children)

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whats the saying? Something like,

"No matter how beautiful you think she is, someone is sick of her shit."

[–]ManiacalMango 24 points25 points  (5 children)

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"No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere, is tired of her shit."

It was a popular Captcha/someecard/demotivational although I don't know who the original quite is attributed to.

[–]TheStoneyVibes 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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Its from two and a half men hahah. I'm pretty sure its nomatter how hot a girl is there's always at least one guy out there that's tired of banging her

[–]NoseSalad 18 points19 points  (1 child)

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"Behind every happy woman is a miserable man, but behind every happy man is a happy woman."-Patrice Oneal.

[–]boydeer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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it's much older than two and a half men. i've seen it attributed to people, but i think the attributions are largely apocryphal.

[–]analrapeage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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no offense, but that line is super old. the version I heard was "Every supermodel has someone who was tired of fucking her"

[–]Traz_Onmale 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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Someone is not walking away from her.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

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Probably only because Divorce Rape disincentives him from walking away from her.

[–]Florist_Gump 100 points101 points  (12 children)

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Don't ever allow your partner to deny sex.

Elaboration: realize what this denial entails and respond appropriately. This is the nuclear option in a woman's arsenal and should not be treated lightly. Its her holding a key aspect of the relationship hostage in order to get her way, its as if you withheld all emotional intimacy, if you are the breadwinner if you were to cut off all financial support to your spouse. These are not trivial actions and yet guys all too often take the no-sex threat way too likely and as if it should be par for the course. It isn't, or it shouldn't be, you shouldn't accept this treatment lightly, and you should make it very clear this takes the relationship negotiations to DEFCON 1 and that you're willing to walk away from a bad deal.

Every relationship I've ever had, at some point the girl tries this. In my younger days I didn't know how to respond and I acquiesced, at which point the girl gained control of the relationship, it went from being a partnership to a soul ownership with me being an employee. I figured this out eventually and learned when my girlfriend tried this to respond back with an equivalent relationship-duty strike. I walked away from the situation, I stopped spending time with her, I ignored her calls and texts, I effectively acted as if we had broken up. As that's what the no-sex threat is, we all bring something to a partnership agreement, if what you bring to the partnership is withheld then you've voided the contract.

Every time, EVERY time I've responded in this manner the girl restarts negotiations in after a few days, a few hours in some cases. They were baffled by my response, they were used to this being an always-win option, a get out of jail free card. They didn't realize that in tense negotiations the other side might walk away from the deal gone bad. In a panic they realize they'd pushed way too hard, had came to the table thinking they had a better hand than they did, and the relationship goes back to being a partnership instead of their desired owner-employee setup.

Don't get me wrong, in no way am I suggesting girls are nothing but sexual objects and lack the right to say no. I'm only saying that using their rights as a negotiation tool in a relationship power struggle is a non-trivial matter and the ramifications need to not be taken lightly by us all-too-confused guys who tend to view this hostage-taking as normal. I don't withhold financial support when my wife and I get into an argument over something, I don't stop being supportive when we disagree, but for some reason we accept the other side behaving equivalently is acceptable. Its not. Walk away from a bad deal, guys.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 36 points37 points  (1 child)

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Bang on. To expound on your analogy -- don't negotiate with terrorists. It's really hard when you're inexperienced. You think that if you simply hand over their demands that things will go back to normal. Instead what you've done is empowered them, shown them they have an incredibly powerful tool at their disposal to always get their way with you.

It's harder for inexperienced guys because of the fear of not being able to find another prospect (at least easily). The thing to remember is that there are always other girls, and your girl needs to recognize this always.

A girl can turn down sex, no problem. If she specifically starts withholding for the sake of getting her way however, shut that shit down and walk away.

[–]Traz_Onmale 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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This is true, though I can understand a girl not wanting to have sex if there's a fight going on.

[–]throwawayrude 7 points8 points  (3 children)

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When we talk about a woman withholding sex here, does it mean like consistently withholding? Like if she's obviously attempting to bullshit her way out of it on a semi-regular basis or for a continuous period of time?

Or do you mean if she refuses sex at all, ever? I'll admit I'm new to all this and my first instinct there is to say, are there not rare occasions where it would be justified (just as a man might feel ill or legitimately exhausted or unable to really get in the mood once in a blue moon)?

Is perhaps part of handling these situations appropriately being able to make judgement calls and discern what is legitimate and what isn't? I suppose that would be Occam's answer to my questions.

[–]Florist_Gump 23 points24 points  (2 children)

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I speak from personal experience only so take my words for what they are - anecdotal. I'll share a story and give you my take on it.

After I graduated college I was dating a girl still in her senior year, early on in the relationship we got into a fight over what movie to see one saturday night. The last movie we watched she had picked, this time there was something out that I'd been wanting to see for some time (think it was Gettysburg, I'm an american history buff) but she declared she had no interest in the film. I said fair's fair, I watched a movie I didn't much care for the previous date night, asked if she'd let me have this and that perhaps she'd like it too if given a chance. Well, she gave in but pouted throughout the movie, the rest of the evening, and when things led to our blossoming routine that tended to steer things towards the bedroom she declared "after making me watch that movie I'm in no mood tonight". OK, that's her call, if she felt in no mood to participate in a certain relationship activity that's perfectly fine, I decided that I too didn't feel like dealing with relationship responsibilities so I graciously excused myself and elected not to interact with her for over a week. I didn't avoid her, she'd call and I'd honestly tell her I was busy with other plans, plans without her. My friends and I hung out more, I got more work done, I took in an art show the two of us had casually mentioned maybe going to when it came around but instead went with my sister.

After about 10 days of this she came over to my place, apologized for being "distant", and just about broke me and my bed. She never held that part of our relationship hostage again.

Now there were plenty of times she really wasn't in the mood. We vastly overate at a carnival. Headaches do and did happen. Heck, there were times when I wasn't in the mood either. What I'm saying is, if sexual relations are withheld as retaliation, as a negotiation tactic to obtain what she wants over what you want, you need to be aware that you have indeed entered a negotiation and respond in kind. Do NOT get all bent out of shape over a loving partner just not feeling the spark that night, it will happen now and then in a relationship. But it should be readily apparent when its actually a tactic because the girl will go out of her way to broadcast that you're in the "dog house", it doesn't help her cause if you don't realize you're being punished, she wants you to know this info.

Note that I'm speaking about relationships that have already advanced to the sexually active level. The negotiations that go on in the courtship phase are entirely different, the notion of a girl cutting you off simply doesn't apply when there hasn't be an "on" yet. I'm not one to speak of this scenario as I've never had a relationship that didn't lead to both sides eagerly moving to sexual activity within 4-6 dates. To me that seems kind of quick, I've had friends tell me thats old-fashioned moving-too-slowly, but whatever the pace its always led there in what felt to me like a natural progression. If you're in a relationship with a girl who isn't interested in sex... someone else will need to help you there. I will say this, sex is an important part of any relationship and I think it would be fair to say that an asexual female is a low-market-value female, the same as I'd say a unemployed male is a low-market-value male. Again, this is a business partnership and if your partner isn't bringing value to the table, why are you entering a partnership with them? Find someone who does bring the desired value.

[–]jakethesnake76 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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As that's what the no-sex threat is, we all bring something to a partnership agreement, if what you bring to the partnership is withheld then you've voided the contract.

And they will damn sure use it till stopped too, every time. Because it is about who can frustrate whom for a woman.

[–]young_TRP 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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What do you mean with DEFCON 1, I know that it is a hackers conference

[–]Endorsed Contributorvacuu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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[–]digital_magi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Don't ever allow your partner to deny sex.

Elaboration: realize what this denial entails and respond appropriately. This is the nuclear option in a woman's arsenal and should not be treated lightly. Its her holding a key aspect of the relationship hostage in order to get her way

Thank you. I never saw it in this light before and it makes perfect sense.

[–]analrapeage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Definition of dread game

[–]Endorsed ContributorpuaSenator 27 points28 points  (3 children)

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I recently had to do this. Even though we've slept together before, she started refusing sex, so I immediately left. She also wouldn't respond to some texts as long as 24 hours. So I just stopped talking to her altogether.

Any ways, guess who just hit me up for a booty call?

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 41 points42 points  (2 children)

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HAHAHAHAHA. Women act like cats. Love em too much and they're cunts. Ignore them and they beg for your attention.

[–]ManiacalMango 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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That's... an amazing analogy.

[–]Kimjungillestt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Holy fuck man, you're right.

[–]Ronfar 73 points74 points  (10 children)

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If only most men knew this, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now...

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 76 points77 points  (21 children)

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No man of high financial value would ever place all his financial assets into one pot...why would any man of high sexual value place all of his assets into one woman?

You spread out your investment to decrease risk and increase reliability.

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    [–]kingoftheheap 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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    Guys, if you're under 26, you can get the HPV vaccine. This will drastically reduce your changes of A) getting HPV (and, later, throat cancer) and B) reduce your risk of spreading it to women when you go down on them.

    Many insurance providers now even pay for it completely.

    Edit: this applies to the USA.

    [–]iseeyou1312 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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    Where I live women get it for free from the government, men have to pay $800 for it... That's the patriarchy for you.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 6 points7 points  (12 children)

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    Umm, metaphor...Where do you get anything about STDs?

    This is about maximizing sexual availability and sexual market value to have the best experience with as most women as possible. Your "investment" is your time/money spent on women. The "risk" is you wasting those resources and sexual value on a woman of little value.


    EDIT: Deleted comment by u/the_red_scimitar http://www.redditlog.com/snapshot/20049/25631

    [–]hurricaneivan117 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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    Weather or not this is the point of this subreddit, the risk of STI's are still real and is something all men should be prepared for.

    [–]1Zackcid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    So is getting in a car crash...

    [–]McMurphyCrazy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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    I cant imagine how pissed you were for the second one.

    [–]the_red_scimitar -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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    I was more horrified. And instantly done with that relationship.

    [–]fuk_offe -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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    Gold Gold Gold Gold Gold Gold Gold post...

    [–]Sir-Dante 56 points57 points  (3 children)

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    Feminists love to look at things like this and go: "WHAT!? A man will leave his woman simply because she doesn't give him sex? Men are just a bunch of pigs!"

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 40 points41 points  (1 child)

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    Feminist logic: sexualise yourself so men want to fuck u, show some titty, leg etc - act indignated when men want to fuck u, but hate your shit personality.

    LOL.

    [–]TheIronyPuppy 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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    Feminine in body, masculine in personality.

    [–]SwordfshII 27 points28 points  (0 children)

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    You are damn right we will

    [–]Endorsed ContributorVZPurp 41 points42 points  (3 children)

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    Your most powerful weapon is the option of not only walking away, but having another girl (or few) at the ready.

    A woman has absolutely no power over you if you can leave her and immediately have another one step up.

    All my experience points to this being the most powerful weapon in my arsenal. Women can easily gain new partners just by showing up. If you have the skills to show you can do the same, you'll devastate any of her attempts at gaining power over you.

    [–]this-is-my-work-acct 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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    Always keep two in the kitty...

    [–]xhaloz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Amen to this. I consider myself a natural man and I've always let women know..."if you don't want to...then this girl will no big deal don't even worry about it. " and at first I thought maybe I was an asshole but later I realized I was a smart asshole who got laid.

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    This. And as you lose options its almost like they can sense it. You go from 5 to 4 other options.... Then 4 to 3... Then 3 to 2 other options... And you better keep spinning those last 2 or you are going to be beta.

    [–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (5 children)

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    women want attention and support (emotional or material) from high status men like men want sex from hot women. don't give them away for free. women respect male attention/support sluts as much as men respect female sluts, which is not at all.

    [–]gmflag 10 points11 points  (2 children)

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    Patrice O'neal had a great segment on that. Time Hoes if I recall correctly.

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      [–]ManiacalMango 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      That was awesome. Thanks for sharing.

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        [–]enticingasthatmaybe 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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        Giving up sex easy is not what makes a slut. A slut is made because she has nothing else to offer once she gives up sex and the dude doesn't want to continue a relationship with her.

        • Interesting woman gives up sex - dude keeps her around, possibly leading to a relationship

        • Boring woman gives up sex - dude might keep her around for a few more lays, but a relationship isn't likely (recursive)

        [–]Offensive_Brute 24 points25 points  (21 children)

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        The third most powerful weapon in the mans relationship asenal, and one I have used effectively for many months in relationship prior, is generating the fear that you will step out or walk away. The media creates expectations and teaches women to look for things and be suspicious of things. If you know of these things, then you can use them to make her feel how you want her to feel when you want her to feel them.

        [–]CollegeTownPUA 13 points14 points  (20 children)

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        So uhh, what are some of those things...?

        [–]Offensive_Brute 27 points28 points  (19 children)

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        you are hanging out real casual like. watching TV or something. Your phone rings, leave the room to take the call. Makes her think you have something to hide, even if its just your mom or your buddy from work. if she calls you, wait a long while, an hour or two before calling her back. You are just sitting t home watching tv, but shes wondering who you rewith and what you are doing.

        [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (10 children)

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        Acting like you have something to hide is weak. Alphas chat with their plates right in front of their other girlfriends.

        Actually having options > playing spy games to pretend like you're hiding the fact that you have options.

        [–]Offensive_Brute -1 points0 points  (5 children)

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        Yeah, buy my way is hella easier and achieves the same effect. Actually hiding something is weak, pretending to hide something to achieve a desired effect is strategy.

        [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

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        Pretending to hide something is pretending to be weak; this is questionable even on a purely strategic basis. You're sending mixed value signals- this may be effective in the short run with some women, but will lead to bad craziness much sooner than a non-deceptive strategy would.

        Of course it's easier to pretend to have value than to actually have it. Personally, I figure that if I have to lie to a girl to keep her, I don't deserve her. But if I were going to pursue a simulated value strategy, I'd at least try to make it a sustainable one.

        [–]Offensive_Brute 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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        Pretending to hide something is pretending to be weak; this is questionable even on a purely strategic basis.

        Sun Tzu disagrees.

        but will lead to bad craziness much sooner than a non-deceptive strategy would.

        I disagree. These "deceptions" are supposed to be employed when she starts getting uppity, to level her out. Honestly will only get you so far.

        Not to mention this gives her the drama she craves, the drama she needs o remain interested in the relationship.

        Having or not having value is not the issue at all here. Its about maintaining a dominant position with the least effort.

        [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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        Sun Tzu disagrees.

        Unless you're dating Sun Tzu, this is a clever soundbite but not really apropos. Military strategy can benefit from making your opposition think you are weak. Sexual strategy very rarely does.

        I disagree.

        Fair enough. Perhaps your experiences are different from mine; I doubt either of us is going to convince the other of anything here.

        this gives her the drama she craves

        Most women don't actually need drama; what they need is the perception of your strength which is evoked when drama comes out. If you maintain a context of control and no-shit-taking as the ongoing frame of your relationship, that need is satisfied.

        There are some psychos who actually do thrive on argument and dissension, but I have no patience for such. You get the relationship that you're willing to tolerate. I'll be happy to send those girls your way.

        [–]Human_Isomer 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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        Everytime you're dealing with women you're playing chess. Every man has his own strategy which he is comfortable with. You two are debating strength of strategy which is totally subjective. Being straight forward is definitely a strategy but so is the illusion of deciept. There are instances where employing either strategy can prove to be advantageous and some where they will just flat out not work. A good chess player has a plethora of strategies he can employ when needed.

        [–]jakethesnake76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        When my buddies come over now my LTR leaves the room or even house ,even though she is friendly to them, because she says i will getting into talking about women (TRP) stuff and she doesn't want to listen.i don't leave i make her leave it's my house,even though she lives with me it's still my house and i rule it and her to some degree.

        [–]tyrryt -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

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        Alphas chat with their plates right in front of their other girlfriends.

        Ah, is that what "alpha's do"? Do you realize that no real "alpha" would go around lecturing others on what "alpha's" are supposed to do?

        And talking to other girlfriends openly may work on strung-out bar sluts or extremely damaged women, but no truly high-value woman is going to tolerate that for very long. It's one thing to be ambiguous about it, but identifying them to each other will set up a showdown and a continuous shitfest until they force an exclusive committment with one of them.

        The more I read this sub the more I think it's mostly just a bunch of naive college kids going through transition phases and angsty neckbeards with no real-world experience with women at all.

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        Do you realize that no real "alpha" would go around lecturing others

        The irony is hilarious. If this is true, what does that say about you?

        no truly high-value woman is going to tolerate that

        So is Jada Smith a "strung-out bar slut" or just "extremely damaged"?

        identifying them to each other will set up a showdown and a continuous shitfest

        This is true IF you have not demonstrated sufficient value to make sharing you a better alternative than an all-or-nothing confrontation. (Or if you've chosen to tolerate having women in your life who aren't capable of relating to you on your terms.)

        naive college kids... and angsty neckbeards with no real-world experience

        Good move! Dismiss your opponents as unqualified to argue against you; it's much easier than making an argument on merits.

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        Ah, is that what "alpha's do"? Do you realize that no real "alpha" would go around lecturing others on what "alpha's" are supposed to do?

        ... Why not?

        It is the spinning in front of her that displays to her you are high value too, just like she is. Good luck keeping her otherwise- maybe you can buy her love.

        [–]jelect 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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        instead of playing the manipulation game you can just be straight up with her

        [–]Offensive_Brute 23 points24 points  (0 children)

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        you could also become an astronaut and go to mars.

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        Or you can have a hot friend who wants you and then you don't have to play pretend. Don't hide your options from her, you don't have to parade them in front of her either, just let it be.

        [–]Tiway22 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

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        lol no

        [–]Offensive_Brute 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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        its real basic. you keep her from becoming complacent and comfortable with minimal effort. keep her on the defensive without having to actually do a bunch of stuff. tiny gestutures to keep her insecure.

        [–]fuk_offe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        It's sad, but extremely true. They have to keep working to engage us. Don't let her go into early retirement.

        [–]nshaq 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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        I have seen on several occasions an average girl gone from normal to batshit crazy with this method. Even though it ties her emotionally to you (like an addiction), it is going to make her a miserable control freak. Keep it up if you particularly enjoy extra drama in the long run.

        [–]Offensive_Brute 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Thats because they guy is abusing the strategy. This strategy is the same as a neg, its a jab at her sense of security and self esteem. You cn't just neg her into oblivion. Theres a time and place for the application of these techniques. Its a sniper rifle, not machine gun. If you let her get comfortable, she'll get fat at best or leave you at worst.

        [–]No_disintegrations 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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        Spot on.

        The mindset every man should have is "no one has complete power over me." You are a monolith, and you control your environment.

        [–]Sinthemoon 29 points30 points  (8 children)

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        I started this relationship making sure she knew I didn't think much about being exclusive. 2 months later, i thought about it and told it. I'd like it better if she didn't have sex with someone else. You should have seen her, she looked like a kid at christmas. Was way worth it.

        I made sure to specifiy it didn't change my interest into a threesome with another girl, though.

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          [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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          There's actually 3, the two ones you stated and

          Being able to say "no" to any of her demands/requests/etc., depending on the situation.

          This separates a man from the white knights who, by definition, cannot and do not turn down her requests both stated and unstated.

          [–]BeeGinger 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          This might be one of the single greatest things I have came across, recently getting divorced.

          Marriage is the surrender of these supreme male powers, and that's why it's so potentially dangerous, and so rarely successful.

          thats exactly how I feel.

          [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 40 points41 points  (29 children)

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          Was married for two years, used both of those weapons this summer. My life is improving, hers is going to shit. She has lost weight, and she was only 110lbs when I kicked her out, she is around 85 or so now. Doesnt take care of herself, is scattered and unable to function at her job, and her new guy is so pathetic she will definitely not be getting the alpha 'hate fucking' she is used to and requires.

          I have five plates going right now, two potentials in the works, and have handled all the bullshit she has sent my way trying to fuck me over. She is the laughing stock of all her peers, and her boyfriend has to endure jokes at her and his expense every time he goes to work.

          The little punk is terrified of me and started carrying a gun despite me just minding my own business, working on my cars, and laughing when I hear from mutual friends and her coworkers how bad she is doing.

          Her mother is trying to find out how I am doing from my neighbors, and all she hears is I am doing good. She was a big instigator of everything going to shit, so she is to blame for quite a bit of it.

          Her dad has met four of my plates now, another just today and the look on his face was priceless. He knows how badly she fucked up, and he can tell I DGAF. The guy has been more of a father to me than my own, so I am not about to burn any bridges with him, and he is helping with the construction of my new shop.

          If they fuck up, kick them out, to the curb and move on. It is the nuclear option for sure, and I wasnt married long enough for her to get any money from me. Im looking forward to when she starts crying to me and trying to come back because life is hard without me.... Yeah bitch, it sure as fuck is, isnt it. Its harder when you are stupid.

          [–]kingoftheheap 22 points23 points  (1 child)

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          Be careful of that guy, he sounds like a loose cannon.

          [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          No worries, I am far scarier and capable than he will ever be. As long as I dont go looking to harm him, he will stay as far from me as he possibly can.

          [–]angeliswastaken 8 points9 points  (5 children)

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          What behaviors got you to the point where you stepped?

          [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 19 points20 points  (4 children)

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          She lied to me about where she was going and what she was doing. She stopped coming home to me so she could spend the night with him. She also stopped fucking me. It took three days from the start of her bullshit to me kicking her ass out.

          She has severe self esteem issues, apparently. Very susceptible to incredibly lame game, all it takes is attention and a common interest and she falls for it. I was her first everything, and she was a virgin until 21, not the prettiest thing, but we got along great, until she went stupid. She never had a bad relationship, so she had no clue how good she had it. She is learning that now, and will spend quite a bit of time alone, with losers, or fucking desperate guys now that she is post wall at 31.

          [–]angeliswastaken 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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          That sucks. I'm sorry. Its very difficult when one person just checks out of the relationship and refuses to contribute their part anymore. It would be healthier to just say "This isn't working for me, I'm out" than to shirk your marital responsibilities to the degree that the other person is forced to initiate the break. Its a dick move.

          This will be a hard road for her.

          [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 10 points11 points  (2 children)

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          Well she wanted to stay here, have me pay for everything, but go fuck her boyfriend instead of me. She thought I was a helpless beta that would cave to her wishes, she found out otherwise.

          It is hard for her, she brought it on herself.

          [–]angeliswastaken 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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          Yeah....no thanks. Good call not letting that shit happen.

          [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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          I am not a doormat, and there is no shortage of women willing to sleep with me knowing I am not exclusive to just her. I know I can get laid any time I want, find someone else and move on, or just fuck bitches and get money. She however, knows she cant find guys easily, because she isnt very attractive, is older than 30, and is introverted while being smarter than most guys she meets. She will get desperate guys who arent smart enough to keep her interested, and she will never get another guy close to my status.

          Life teaches hard lessons, this is a hard one for her. I learned what happens when you throw away something good for something shitty over 20 years ago.

          [–]UnpluggedMaestro 26 points27 points  (0 children)

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          Be careful bro, an alpha will still die with his brains scattered with bullets. That bf may be a beta supplicant, but he's also a beta with a gun.

          [–]synthrockftw 17 points18 points  (15 children)

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          she is around 85

          Dude... this is where I have to draw a line on TRP and look at this from a neutral perspective.

          Fuck man, have a human soul. Can't you see a human being you're living with is in complete misery? I know she has probably disrespected you in the past, but what this human being is going through, is a developed mental illness.

          110lbs to 85lbs after you kicked her out. That's a 25lb loss...and that is dangerously underweight. Even if she is of short stature, anorexia is developed from either depression or in itself, a developed mental disorder.

          Laughing stock from her peers is whatever. I have been shit on by men and women...and the people who kick others when they're down are scum. This sounds like karma revenge but when your professional life is affected from your love life, that literally fucks with your way of life (food, housing, money needed to survive). Is this correlated to her massive weight loss?

          Referring to an ex-wife as a "little punk" is childish...I don't refer to my ex-wife that way, even though in my biased opinion, she is a bad person but that doesn't mean you have to stoop down to said level.

          Who says her mother is to blame for your failed marriage? You?...this sounds biased but when someone asks if you're doing okay, don't be a douche about it. They're asking if you're if exactly that, "okay"...

          Her father is probably shocked because his daughter...his fucking child, is not doing okay. How would you like it if your child was going through some terrible, anorexic, mentally ill, shit-fest in her life that was making her physically and mentally ill. I'm sorry, but fuck that... Children make mistakes, but when a parent is genuinely concerned for the safety of his daughter, let him to try to help her. Again, don't be a douche..

          If they fuck up, you can leave or tell them to leave..be an adult. If it's your ex-wife, you first of all, fucked up by marrying the WRONG person. I did it...I fucked up, but that's no way to treat another human being due to YOUR failed relationship/marriage.

          "from me. Im looking forward to when she starts crying to me and trying to come back because life is hard without me.... Yeah bitch"

          Fuck man...listen to yourself..

          [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 19 points20 points  (3 children)

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          Ah, you dont know the rest of the story. You can blame me all you want for marrying the "wrong person" and not know fuck about shit what our relationship was like.

          I kicked her out, she hasnt lived here since May. Her mother was letting her boyfriend fuck her in their house, encouraging her to hook up with this loser. When I discovered him sleeping with her at the inlaws house, I went to confront him, but didnt. He slashed his tires to frame me, and she got a restraining order, and I got felony vandalism charges. In addition to that, I have been renting from her dad for a while and her mother has been forcing him to kick me out, and he has been trying hard to keep me here. She wants to live here rent free with her boyfriend, because he is hated by everyone he works with, and cant keep a job. Nobody likes an arrogant omega that knows jack shit about fuck but claims he knows everything and fucks everything up.

          They were the first people where I ever felt like I had family, and all the women turned against me. She has been trying to get me to move out of state with all the fabricated legal bullshit, and telling everyone I abused her (except the police). Still she got a restraining order on made up bullshit, and it has cost me. Her mother is the one who pushes all that shit, that is why I blame her, along with encouraging her to fuck this kidiot at her house.

          She isnt asking me if I am ok, she wants to know that I am doing poorly, so she asks the neighbors in a roundabout way. It isnt concern for me, she wants me to feel like shit and be broken up over losing her daughter, it simply isnt happening.

          So judge all you want little concern troll, you know not fuck about what you speak.

          [–]angeliswastaken 15 points16 points  (4 children)

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          I appreciate your compassion, but OP is angry and he has a right to be. If she is suffering from a mental illness, its her responsibility to get help for herself. Help is available. If she was suffering from mental illness and she felt OP wasn't supporting her, the correct course would be to talk to him about it or leave. Not lie and cheat and disrespect her marriage.

          OP is just venting his anger at the pain and betrayal he feels due to her actions. This is a totally valid response, and rather than harass or threaten her, this is a healthy outlet for those feelings.

          I feel for her, but she made her bed and like most of us have done, she will have to lie in it for awhile.

          [–]synthrockftw 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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          Do two wrongs make a right?

          If what he said is true, I do feel for her and going through a divorce is perhaps one of the most cruel things that can be done to a human. This is one of the many reasons I am a MRA, TRP medicated, and an active seddit user.

          ..But sometimes man, things are wrong and it's best to help people see things for what they are. If this guy is still angry at a 2-year marriage years down the road, perhaps he himself should receive therapy.

          This type of attitude sheds bad, biased lighting on magnified subreddits like /r/MensRights, /r/TheRedPill, etc..

          [–]Endorsed ContributorHarleyWalker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          Do two wrongs make a right?

          No, but it makes us even. I agree that you shouldn't become a vindictive cunt about things but that's always easier said than done when you have been fucked over personally. Also it doesn't sound like the guy is doing anything to her other than living well.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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          Why wouldn't he be fucking angry about his 2 years marriage ending because his wife cheated? And as he says it only ended this summer, the wound is still fresh.

          Also why is his responsibility to take care of her? she is not a child, and has a new partner and her parents with her.

          That guy is doing nothing wrong just moving on with his life, if his ex-wife is where she is is her own fault, and she has to deal with it without him.

          [–]synthrockftw -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

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          Seeing a lot of negative things in my life, I have a lot of experience with people in general..

          What I say is true, "There is always two sides of a story".

          With that being said, if he is divorced, he is legally bounded to take care of her, if that is what the judge orderd. If he has to pay alimony, he must, it's the law. He doesn't have to take care her he the judge says his divorce is over officially.

          I never said he 'should' take care of her nor do I care if he does or doesn't. The guy just seems like a bitter, "I'm a victim" card player, whic is the same exact attitude I hate that is always present with 'female privilege' feminists..

          I'm a MRA and I believe in equality. This is the same attitude with a lot of women. The whole, "I broke up with Billy because of XYZ.." and her best friends say, "I know, it was totally his fault..", even when they know its complete bullshit coming out of both of their mouthes.

          The same is going on here, I presume.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorHarleyWalker 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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          110lbs to 85lbs after you kicked her out. That's a 25lb loss...and that is dangerously underweight.

          She's probably on crystal meth. That's her fault.

          [–]jakethesnake76 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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          Dude you are why women are turning out like this because you white knight it and have compassion for some stupid woman who blew up her own life . You need to stop doing this to the most entitled women on earth right now, really a woman this old is just stupid and blew it. And you're attacking the victim? Really ?

          [–]Azzmo 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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          I can see both your and his perspective. He's clearly not creating the happiest life for himself if he's got that much disdain for anybody. I don't think he owes her anything, though. From him:

          She lied to me about where she was going and what she was doing. She stopped coming home to me so she could spend the night with him. She also stopped fucking me. It took three days from the start of her bullshit to me kicking her ass out.

          He's hurt and pissed and justifiably so. That's one of the greatest betrayals that exists and I can never fault any man or woman for dropping a cheating partner in a swift afternoon and moving on.

          I just hope he isn't seeking her out to lay on the guilt.

          [–]synthrockftw -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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          I know man, same happened to me...

          Bah..!

          But I can't feel for someone of that character. Perhaps I'm being biased myself. Nothing personal, vengefully_yours..

          [–]Azzmo -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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          You come off as a really decent person. Just out of curiosity - did you never get into the "fuck her and everything about her" mode that v_yours is in?

          [–]synthrockftw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          No..

          Though she was very vindictive, I just wanted her out of my life as soon as possible. Of course, I felt negative towards her but really, what's the point of holding a grudge?

          I made my own life better by getting rid of the negativity.

          [–]anal_cyst 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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          this is why it's important to invest in a social circle. constantly meeting and interacting with new people means a constant stream of new options.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          Her weapon of withholding sex is only powerful if you won't get your needs met elsewhere.

          Regarding this, it's amazing what how apeshit crazy they get when you withhold from them. She could always get it elsewhere, but that feeling you get knowing that you've taken away control from her is awesome.

          [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (4 children)

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          Marriage, if not with a RP woman, is the surrender of male agency.

          [–]Human_Isomer 7 points8 points  (3 children)

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          AWALT

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            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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            The smarter RPW will be training you too, so you don't even have to feel like it's unfair.

            [–]gmflag 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            This summarizes any negotiation or contract making of any sorts.

            [–]mono_pete 10 points11 points  (2 children)

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            Marriage is the surrender of these supreme male powers,

            Not if you're not afraid to use them. Last week, I used both: I'm walking, and I have options and this is her name. This caused an immediate change in attitude in my wife, and acceptance of all terms on the table.

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              [–]frugal_masturbater 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              She might be smart, but a reasonable person. I know, I know... but they do exist.

              [–]Gregor0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Ignoring people who want any type of attention is the best 'revenge' or 'redemption' that you can get. Don't waste your time on people that don't care for you.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              AMEN!

              If you KNOW that at any time you can walk away from an interaction, then you have the power. If you don't want to play stupid games or be treated like shit, then be prepared to walk away and DON'T. LOOK. BACK. That confidence will emanate from you and women will play games less and less.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              I did not give away the first one, and continue to abuse it.

              As for the second? Well, she's not bitching.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              The girl I am seeing tried to deny sex for the first time recently. I acted like I didn't care, and I casually joked about "knowing where else to get it". Maybe I was too literal and shouldn't have made such a strong statement, but it seemed to work pretty well. Instantly got a good blowjob. I feel bad though, the only reason she said no was because she is recovering from a urinary tract infection, maybe I shouldn't have been so hard on her, she wasn't using sex as a barter tool or something. At least now she knows.

              [–]Bringyourfugshiz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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              I just stepped away from a friendship of many years. She thought because she was a pretty face that she could get away with saying what she wants. I loved the girl very much but after she dated my friend and the verbal abuse I said enough is enough. The look on her face when I told her we would no longer be friends was priceless.

              [–]bobsmith1111 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

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              fuck OP, this is the best thread in /r/redpill ever. u just fucking blew my mind