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[–]seancj133 82 points83 points  (27 children)

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Some alphas are moral men, many others are ruthlessly machiavellian. Some alphas lead, other just don't follow rules. There are many violent criminals banging hotter chicks than 99% of the law abiding population.

Everybody needs to understand this. The people that hate on this sub think that everyone here is just out to be a manipulative bastard that fucks chicks and then fucks them over but I'm not so sure that everyone here is looking to be that guy. I'm not sure how the mods and endorsed contributors here feel about the subject of morality as far as RP philosophy is concerned but it might be something for subscribers to spar over whenever the issue comes up.

The goal of RP philosophy IMO is to become an alpha male that attracts women with little difficulty for both sex and long term relationships. I don't know that the mods and endorsed contributors care much about whether or not you become an alpha with a heart of gold that performs pediatric neurosurgery or a Wall Street psychopath like the guys that caused the financial crash, but I think that moral questions are definitely something for individuals here to think about whenever they can. However, the most important thing is to be alpha when you need to be. I think that a lot of guys have this idea that being alpha is about being Arnold Schwarzengger and looking the part. I think that the more realistic option is to just be a guy that knows how to deal with both men and women in a way that gains them respect that is earned and well-deserved. This respect can come from being feared, loved, or some combination of both and the greatest men walking around know how to instill both emotions in not just women but in everyone.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 20 points21 points  (0 children)

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I'm not sure how the mods and endorsed contributors here feel about the subject of morality as far as RP philosophy is concerned

If basic needs outweigh the cost, disregard morality. (Eg: food/water/air) Survival trumps sensibilities.

If the threats aren't utilising morality, neither can you - the strategic disadvantage is too great and you will lose.

Morality should be applied selectively. If you have the upperhand, you can use your power to apply morality benevolently, to help, to facilitate positivity etc.

If you're on the poorer footing following your moral code won't elevate you.

Power is inherently amoral and thus being moral or immoral is a matter of circumstance and weighing up the variables at hand.

That's my opinion.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 38 points39 points  (18 children)

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The people that hate on this sub think that everyone here is just out to be a manipulative bastard that fucks chicks and then fucks them over but I'm not so sure that everyone here is looking to be that guy.

There's going to be a range of people along the RP spectrum. Many of the endorsed people here are far, far along that spectrum, including myself. The only thing I wish to make clear is that even if you aren't "looking to be that guy" (and may aren't), is to cut out the "Feel Good Bullshit" and "brocode!" stuff in the meantime.

For instance, I posted a Field report a few weeks ago where I cuckolded a guy's gf while they were on vacation together. Was a pretty epic situation yet some just went all "brocode" about how it's our job as men to look out for each other. Classic "Feel Good Bullshit" right there. Guys here need to understand that the only way to prevent that happening is to be proactive with TRP. Don't rely on others (especially guys you don't know) to "have your back" cause no one owes you anything.

[–]Anon7677 19 points20 points  (8 children)

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Imo Brocode only applies to friends anyway. Not "people you know" and strangers. Dont touch your mates gf even if she throws herself naked at you. Otherwise do as you please.

[–]Endorsed Contributorwhiskey_bearfist 13 points14 points  (4 children)

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eh, none of my friends want to be involved with a girl who throws herself at his buddies.

i say bang the girl, and call him immediately after. hos are a dime a dozen.

[–]Bobwayne17 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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This is so real man. I've lost some friends feeling like this.

Your girl is blowing my phone up with naked pics and you're mad at ME?

Peace.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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Its a public service that way.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedSunBlue[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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[–]Anon7677 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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Its not about throwing herself at anybody. I mean i.e. drunken moments, "feely moments", generally emotionally weak moments. Some people prey for those moments, maybe even have a "six sense" for them. I think one should still try being moral, having a gentlemen codex (imo the better wording than "bro code") in your (percieved) peer group/family/friends. If only because you need them i.e. utilitarism.

[–]1PaulRivers10 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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Imo Brocode only applies to friends anyway.

Yeah, there's 2 categories of guys who get more consideration from me: 1. Friends of mine 2. Other guys I like personally

Can't tell you how many times I thought I was being "respectful" or something, only to find out later that I should have made a move. I thought they were dating and they weren't, they were dating but he was trying to get rid of her, she just ended up sleeping with someone else and I never saw the guy again anyways, or - heck - the last one before I changed what I was doing - he broke up with her to date someone else anyways (it may have been a "he nailed some other girl, then broke up with the first girl to date the second girl" situation, not sure though).

The "bro code" is not a moral code like "don't kill your neighbors", it's a code like "let's all agree that everyone will drive on the right side of the road, we'll all be better off with each other".

If your buddy brings a girl he can get with to a party, don't cockblock him by dominating her time and hitting on her. If your buddy is to drunk to drive his girlfriend home, give her a ride (if it doesn't inconvenience you) but don't make a move on her.

But it's not a "moral" issue - it's about being able to have a social circle works together to avoid undercutting each other and ruining things for everyone. I don't want to end up like girls where they hate spending time with each other, don't trust each other, and are constantly infighting and backstabbing. But some people who comment here take this way to far.

[–]hoboken2020 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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A true bro would share his girlfriend with you.

[–]Terminal-Psychosis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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hahah. Taken to an absurd extreme, this is what 'bro code' is.

Same road, just further along.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 17 points18 points  (4 children)

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If I respect the guy whose gf wants to fuck me, I'll bros before hoes and give him a heads up. If he rejects my advice, I'll fuck her and then tell him to save him from his own ignorance.

If I don't know the guy or respect him, I have no commitment to him and thus I'll fuck his gf, he's her problem not mine.

Addendum: Her being a hoe is not reason enough for me to disrespect him. Women will cheat on alphas too if another alphas got sharp enough game.

[–]Endorsed ContributorVZPurp 10 points11 points  (3 children)

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Women will cheat on alphas too if another alphas got sharp enough game.

Or if she's away from him for long enough.

[–]VikaWiklet 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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Or if he ages out of Alpha dominance.

[–]gasparinmaximus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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If anything, I'd assume one grows into Alpha dominance. With age, one builds social proof and becomes more attractive all hypergamous beings/women. Why else would beautiful twenty year old women partner up with affluent alpha males in their fifties? You don't age out of Alpha, you learn or reinforce Beta.

[–]VikaWiklet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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I would definitely agree one grows into Alpha dominance to a point... and then one reaches a point where one literally cannot keep up physically with a younger partner, and it becomes entirely about strength of personality.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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After having other guys fuck the woman I was seeing, there is no fucking brocode. It just isn't there. Nothing is going to stop those guys from fucking a woman who is with someone, and it won't stop me either.

[–]positiveeagle -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

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Brocode is for betas. Alphas just take what they want.

[–]Terminal-Psychosis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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Always taking advantage of any situation is not necessarily Alpha. On occasion, looking out for others has advantages. Being ABLE to when it is called for, having that internal locus of control, that is Alpha.

That said, relying on some absurd 'bro code' is Beta, passive-aggressive, moralistic manipulation. These guys will get burnt over and over until they take responsibility for and improve themselves.

When it comes to women and sex, being sexier than the other guy is the only real answer. That's the harsh reality of life, and TRP.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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Fuckin eh bubba.

[–]hoboken2020 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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The goal of RP philosophy IMO is to become an alpha male that attracts women with little difficulty for both sex and long term relationships.

That comes off as a beta mindset. Getting laid and funding an LTR is a chumpy game IMO. My version of 'alpha' means focusing entirely in my self. If I get laid fine, if not, oh well. There's more important things than women to direct my vital energy at.

Lots of MRM guys will say 'learn to go indefinitely without pussy'. Women are dream killers.

[–]MartialWay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Lots of MRM guys will say 'learn to go indefinitely without pussy'. Women are dream killers

You did notice that the TRP sub was not the MRM sub?

"Getting laid and funding an LTR is a chumpy game IMO."

Some of us find getting laid a fun and easy thing that goes hand in hand with the amazing lives we lead. Ask a D1 quarterback how "chumpy" he feels while he's banging prom queens 2 at a time. He wins at doing something he loves and they throw pussy at him, nothng chumpy about it.

And only your Beta chump mentality makes you think that YOU have to bankroll an LTR. There are thousands of "artists" out there having their lives and dreams subsidized by LTR hotties.

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    [–]TooTurnt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Great comment. Newcomers need to understand this sub is unapologetic about what we think. PC bullshit is not tolerated here.

    [–]Bletz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    If all TRP reading and strategies get me to this stage... I want

    [–]1pcadrian 22 points23 points  (5 children)

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    Oh man, your post cracked me up. Nicely written. I know I'm guilty of spewing Feel Good Bullshit once in a while, and it's good to bring this to my awareness.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedSunBlue[S] 46 points47 points  (4 children)

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    To be fair, sometimes a little bit of sugar does help the medicine to go down, but too much will turn this sub into seddit 2.0.

    [–]1Jaereth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    I would hope not. I was in Seddit for like three months and I didn't even subscribe. I would just read it whenever I had free time to read. Pickup is just like any other skill. You learn it and as long as you practice frequently you are good to go.

    I do subscribe to TRP. Always interesting new posts here.

    [–]PlayFair -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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    It's already on its way

    [–]2 Mredpillschool 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    They've been saying that since before the sub started. An empty criticism.

    [–]648262 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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    Something new will come along. Such is the circle of life.

    [–]2 Mredpillschool 23 points24 points  (5 children)

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    To add to this, the whole "it's not about sex it's about being a better person.." bs... no, it's about being a person who other people want to have sex with.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedSunBlue[S] 17 points18 points  (4 children)

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    Or "Don't do it to get laid, do it for yourself!"

    Fuck that; men doing things to get laid is what built our society.

    [–]2 Mredpillschool 11 points12 points  (2 children)

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    Yeah. I'm not embarrassed to admit it. I do everything I do for some more of that sweet sweet poontang.

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      [–]2 Mredpillschool 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      Basically. If I could get laid every day as a fat fuck, I probably wouldn't work out.

      [–]WakingUpNow 19 points20 points  (3 children)

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      I don't know man, I guess my biggest "oh fuck" is that I have to employ psychology and biology to keep a decent woman. I don't dispute the fact, I just think it sucks. It's hard not to become bitter when you realize that most women are faithless children. I'm prone to existential angst as it is. Imagine how it's multiplied now that I realize we're just organisms moving around on a rock in space trying to pass on our genes.

      [–]gobigelow 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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      And that's all we've ever been. For various reasons, we've lost track of it, but some of us are coming around.

      [–]mclorie 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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      That's all the more reason to rise above your outdated, biological mechanics and enjoy your life. Don't rail against the pointlessness of existence, you don't have that long left here.

      [–]seduktuionthrowaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Not all of us. Some men can transcend.

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 33 points34 points  (3 children)

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      Much needed post. Also, there's too much complaining in here (as well as in real life with guys in general) about the "brocode". Guys often rely on other guys way too much to get girls, parties, etc. And then when that one guy doesn't fall into their "code of honor" they get mad and call him a "bastard" or "Machiavellian" or whatever.

      People just need to take care of their own shit and those situations become totally moot.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorwhiskey_bearfist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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      yep. this shit is amoral. manipulation is useful and effective. self-imposed moral codes and barriers are your own shit, they don't apply to others.

      [–]magicalbird 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      And then when that one guy doesn't fall into their "code of honor" they get mad and call him a "bastard" or "Machiavellian" or whatever.

      Nothing like being a sigma and pissing off the alphas and betas

      [–]mclorie 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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      Excellent post. It's worth pointing out that often, close friends and family members who have your best interests at heart can unwittingly bring this out in you.

      When I miss training and feel dissapointed in myself, my girl, my training buddies, my family all tell me "I'm being too hard on myself" - I'm being exactly as hard as I need to be to achieve my goals. And there is always more I can do.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedSunBlue[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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      Absolutely.

      Also consider that sometimes the people closest to you are the ones who least want to see you succeed.

      [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (12 children)

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      I agree with the spirit of number two, you SHOULD work to be as physically fit as possible, for your own sake, but ugly/fat/poor dressed men can and do get hot women all the time.

      But they don't get hot women because they're fat, they get hot women because they have game or because their SMV is still absurdly high despite them being a lardass. They spend their energy getting tons of money or learning how to charm.

      Patrice O'neal, a patron saint of TRP, was like 350 pounds, and he got all types of women.

      Of course, he died of a stroke brought on by diabetes, so there's that.

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        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children)

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        No, it's not NAWALT, it's a key aspect of game. Men win women with their personalities, women win men with their looks. Of course, a lardball won't get chicks as well as a swole man, but nowhere near to the extent you see as a landwhale compared to a 9/10.

        Christopher Hitchen wrote in depth about this, in a Vanity Article titled "Why Women Aren't Funny."

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          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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          I've already said that your body comes into it, so there's no need to be this willfully obtuse.

          All I'm saying is that as men we have the advantage of being given more leeways with how we look than women, we might as well make use of it.

          It shouldn't be an excuse to avoid going to the gym or to stuff Krispy Kremes down our throat, but a positive body image is a must no matter what. To get chicks you need to believe your own bullshit.

          I'm not trying to make everyone here feel good or whatever, but regardless of how you FEEL about your body, or how good or bad looking your body actually IS, you need to ACT like you're completely fine with yourself, even if you aren't.

          Chicks will go for the charismatic chubby guy over the socially awkward self pitying swole guy every time, I've seen it happen countless times.

          The ideal is to be BOTH swole and charismatic, of course, but acting like an introvert is a DEATH SENTENCE.

          [–]magicalbird 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          I agree with you in that game is one part of SMV that can overcome to an extent

          Many RPers haven't seen it

          Considering my SMV is probably 4-6 depending on the girl and I am not that swole but worked on my game I easily have success with 6s and 7s that like game the most and repel 6s and 7s that like swole the most.

          [–]648262 -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

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          You get women through a combination of looks and personality. If you score them both 1 to 10 , then the average of the two can be said to be your rating.

          To get a girl who is 10 in both you probably need to be 10 in both as well.

          Note: the perception of the scores are not always aligned. You might see a 10, but she rates herself a 7 maybe.

          [–]colaturka 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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          "To get a girl who is 10 in both you probably need to be 10 in both as well." I haven't noticed this irl. Why do you think this is true?

          [–]KissTheBridesmaid 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          'a girl who is 10 in both '

          When this girl is born it will create a paradox and the universe will implode.

          [–]648262 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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          Because why would anyone not pick as good a partner as they can get?

          If you see a couple where the girl is a 10 and the guy is a 5, you are likely to see a guy who thinks he's a 7 and feels he's dating someone between 6 and 10, and a girl who thinks she's a 7 and feels she's dating someone between 6 and 10. Your, or anyone else's, rating of them is irrelevant.

          A lot of numbers here, NAPAL and it's as soft of science as it gets.

          Tl;dr: people match partners rating with their own. The rating is subjective.

          [–]87GNX 11 points12 points  (13 children)

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          Fat guys need game to get fat chicks, skinny guys need game to get skinny chicks. Fat guys with loads of uber-game could get skinny chicks but wouldn't you rather invest in your body by spending an hour at the gym versus reading Mystery Method?

          Either that or you can always cap the neighborhood thug-wannabe and watch the pussy flow in like tide.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRedSunBlue[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

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          wouldn't you rather invest in your body by spending an hour at the gym versus reading Mystery Method?

          You can do both. At the same time.

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (11 children)

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          • Looks

          • Money

          • Status

          No particular order, if you have one of those you're pretty good. If you have two of those you get lots. If you have three of those you get everyone you want.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorwhiskey_bearfist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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          yep. status trumps all. looks and money are paths to status.

          but you also need to have game no matter what your level of the others.

          best to work on all 4 concurrently.

          [–]VikaWiklet 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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          You forgot intelligence.

          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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          Don't think it has anything to do with getting pussy mate. While I, as a man threat this quality very highly, probably higher than the three I mentioned some random chick won't give two shits how intelligent you are.

          Truth.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Intelligence is just a leg up on money and status. I'm the smartest motherfucker I've ever met and it doesn't do shit for my looks. I needed money and status before girls looked at me.

          *Edit: Back in high school I got exactly who I wanted but those time were very different because none of the guys had status or money. It was all looks and potential. And the dating pool is much smaller. Intelligence can take you a long way in a small pool. But a large pool turns intelligence into a tertiary quality at best.

          [–]malignantbacon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Intelligence is a means to many ends. Alone it's worthless, what matters is what you can get out of putting it to use.

          [–]Bletz 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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          I have looks and money but 0 social status. You need all 3.

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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          What you need is some game bro.

          [–]Bletz 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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          I'm new to The Red Pill. I saw this sub months ago but it hurt my ego (was uber beta) and ran away.

          Came back after getting my shit together and all I can say is I'm completely fascinated.

          I want to get this "game". My plan is to read all relevant material and continue to put myself out there/challenge myself.

          Any other advice would be tops.

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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          Yes TRP is very good IMO because it doesn't give you "feel-good" bullshit like "Yes, you are fat and bald and short? Just be confident, man! Go get it!".

          Most people here are just straight-to-the-point and no mental-masturbation.

          Oh, and best way to learn "game" is by going out and doing shit. Otherwise you'll be stuck in analysis-paralysis.

          [–]Bletz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Everything everyone says on this sub is just so fucking amazing.

          You’re giving me the best advice I've heard in years and I've been bombarded with it.

          I always heard the "just be confident" "just ask girls out" bullshit but it all just deflected of me as shallow advice.

          What your saying quenches my doubts and invigorates my spirit.

          [–]FunkyCactusInASuit 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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          Really good post. GUYS, self growth. Invest in it. You invest in a PC? In a car? In a house? Why not in your body? Eat clean, train hard, grow like a flower.

          [–]Captain_Crunk_ 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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          In response to:

          "You don't have to change who you are!"/"Just be yourself!"

          Lesson Six

          The guy was on a prowl for a girlfriend. He approached many girls and did everything he could to WIN them. He failed miserably.

          With one girl, he brought flowers. With another girl, he brought her gifts. Yet, with another girl he brought her candy.

          In conversations, he would be agreeable to everything she said. In matters of planning, he would reschedule anything and everything on her whim. The women would become his sun with his entire life merely orbiting them.

          But the poor guy kept crashing and burning.

          “It is because they don’t know how good you are,” older women and friends said.

          Yet, the guy noticed a pattern in his crash and burns. “The only constant is I. What if it is something I keep doing?”

          He stayed the same. Unsurprisingly, he crashed and burned more. Eventually, something in him snapped. “No more!” he said. “Why am I acting like a beggar? I am smart, handsome, have a future, and women ought to work to get me!”

          So, thus stopped the flowers, gifts, and candy- the agreeableness, rescheduling, and revolving around her whims.

          “No more pedestals!” he declared, for…

          “You are the Great Catch.”

          “Yes!” says the Pook. “YOU are the prize to be won.”

          The young man jumped up and down with joy. “Goody! That means I get to be passive, to continue to indulge in my vaporous habits, and not do a thing to alter myself! I like to hear that because it means I am perfect as I am and ought not change for anyone!”

          Pook slapped him. “Foolish youth! If you are not changed by life, then you are not living life! Only those who are not altered by life are those totally unaware of it!”

          But the young man was stubborn. “I” he said with a moral tone, “will not change for anyone.”

          “What about for yourself?”

          “I like myself the way I am!”

          “All right! Enough!”

          The young man was startled. He had never seen Pook angry. “I am what I am!” he persisted.

          So Pook summoned two young men. Each stood in a corner. Pook then said, “Before us are two youths who are on the threshold of life. Both have the same origins. Yet, the destinations are different. Let us look at the first one.”

          What was witnessed was that young man growing up. If he got a bump on his head, he would cry to his mother. He would pull on her apron strings. He felt safety and comfort in his mother. With his father, he felt an uncertain fear within him. His father was the one who set the punishments, the deadlines, the lessons that had to be learned. He preferred the company of his mother who seemed free from those hard edges.

          Now the second young man’s childhood came into view. His life was exactly the same!

          “Is there a point to this?” protested the impatient young man.

          “Watch,” said the Pook.

          The first young man never broke free from the enticing womb-like feeling around his mother. He sought to replicate it over and over. Off he tumbled into reality like tumbleweed blown every which way by the winds of the age. He didn’t know what he wanted to do in life so he did what everyone around him did. He was captive to his friends, never seeking to break apart to tend to his own matters or such. The playtime was too important to him, a part of that sense of ease and joy he had around his mother. He eventually found a girl, chose the first one that actually liked him (or tolerated him, he couldn’t know) and married. Alas! The marriage lasted only a few years until divorce came. “Why did she leave me?” whined the pathetic male. “I CHERISHED her! I bought her flowers everyday. I sang her sonnets. I always told her I loved her!” She complained, “He disgusted me.” The man goes through life, broken and re-broken, trying fruitlessly to re-build that sandcastle of childhood fun whiles waves of reality kept on crashing down on him. He dies forgotten and irrelevant.

          “Oh!” cried the young man. “That is awful!”

          “What is so awful?” Pook replied. “He was, after all, just being himself! Now for the second young man.”

          This young man quickly realized that childhood was over. Rather then looking towards forever replicating that sense of summer vacation of escapefulness and feminine bliss, he launched himself at reality. “I will not live my life as a nothing!” he declared. His friends and friendly were astonished at his constant self-improvement, his constant blossoming of talent and will. He, in turn, was astonished at them. “It is like,” he would say, “That they are stuck in a type of stasis. I have changed; they acknowledge that. But THEY are exactly the same!” He got to PICK what woman he wanted. He got to PICK what career he wanted. He got to PICK his destiny. He answered life’s challenges and refused to retreat from them. Whereas the first young man was defined by the age within he lived, the second young man defined the age himself! When he died, countless people mourned. For they thought he was a genius. Others thought he was talented beyond description. Yet, others thought he was touched by heaven itself! After all, how else could these poor fools realize such success? “It couldn’t have been made,” they said. “He had to be born with it.” No, it was because he was a Man who chose to ground up the world, culture, and all to his vision rather than to be grounded up into the worldly culture’s axing wheel of routine and fashion.

          “The difference is simple,” said the Pook. “The first young man is facing TOWARDS infancy. The second young man is facing AWAY from infancy. The first one wishes to climb back into the womb; the second one wants to fly from it. The first wishes a cushioned place in the world while the second one leaves the cushions behind. The first one is ordinary; the second one is extraordinary. Thus, the second one becomes the Great Catch while the first one merely becomes a filler of a void.

          “I see…” said the startled young man. “The second one is always getting better. The first one is always staying the same if not getting worse.”

          “Exactly! It is the difference between ROTTING and RIPENING. Be the good fruit! Be the PRIZE to be won!”

          source: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=59150 (pook)

          [–]Manuel_S 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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          You are right.

          Finding your motivation also helps, and it must be something that works for YOU. Screw everybody else.

          At 40 I trimmed up and started exercising. Many motivations led me to it it, but one of them (I know, real petty) is when my daughters start bringing in their boyfriends and I inspect them, they won't see a 50s geezer, but a guy they'll know can smash them through their fucking car's windshield.

          [–]TheEyeUrnShaft 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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          Plus you can bang their moms if they really piss you off.

          [–]MorgensterHaze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          and force 'em to call you daddy

          [–]RG68 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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          Really good post, thank you for that. I was beginning to worry that TRP was slowly going the way of /r/seduction.

          [–]2 Mredpillschool[M] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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          We ain't gonna let that happen.

          [–]BloodRoseTRP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          I know exactly what you are talking about. Feel Good Bullshit will come in a plethora of disguises, and as good as you may think you are, chances are you will not be able to spot all of them.

          This post has been a reality check for me, as I reflect upon a recent conversation I had. A female acquaintance was hamstering about the way her best friend had acted when I first met said friend.

          She was a textbook example, worthy of satire, of women's solipsism. She loudly exclaimed to the group "for my birthday I think I deserve a new car, and a Chanel handbag ($8000)"

          Friend's feel good rationalisation: she's normally not like that

          [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          If you want to see more examples of feel good bullshit, check /r/seduction.

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            [–]gg_s 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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            It's a platitude.

            [–]spinlock 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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            See, I take it the other way. I take "be yourself" as a challenge to throw off the bullshit that society has told you to be.

            [–]WhitePhillip 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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            This is how I see it as well. I grew up beta as fuck and I really needed to shed all the stupid bullshit that was piled in my head. I always knew who I was and how I felt, but I was never allowed to express it. I truly had to "be myself" to become alpha.

            The problem was that everyone you know is used to having a little beta "yes man" around so they double down on the shaming and try to push you back in place. Getting through this was the hardest part for me.

            When I quit smoking everyone said they were proud of me. Nobody is proud of realizing that someone you thought was a loser is suddenly doing way better than you.

            [–]648262 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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            Thanks! When I subscribed here a few months ago I was scared to even comment, but I kept coming back. It was a much needed reality check reading all these posts and I considered it to be the most honest place on Reddit.

            I saw others commenting, and if it was feel-good or bad advice you got down voted and explained how incredibly useless their post was. It was harsher, but very on point.

            [–]TheEyeUrnShaft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            Brutal, brutal honesty. Not everyone can handle it.

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            I'm hoping somebody here might remember a certain manosphere article on that subject. Either my Google skills are failing me, or the website has been taken down.

            The author was talking about the notion that you're inherently loveable, "warts and all". His response: inherently, you're an unloveable bag of shit, and if you have warts, you should get them removed.

            A society based entirely around that point of view would be horrible, but there's a place in everyone's life for the drill sergeant who'll tell you that if you don't shape up, reality will soon kick you in the face. It can't all be cups of tea and chats about your feelings.

            [–]musicvita25 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            The greatest self improvement, is the art of effectively trial and error. Not giving up is a huge motivator.

            If you try and fail, try and fail, you'll eventually get the hang of it. Its effectively the 10,000 hour rule of practice.

            I recently went on a little drought, but was seeing someone, had sex, and then she decided to go all awol etc, but you know what, I'm happy I got laid. I'm happy that it gave me that boost, and tomorrow I'm taking another girl out I met, and the cycle continues.

            However, I ignored the fact that ive been working out for 6 months, and also completely changed my hair, and style etc. So its a package really.

            [–]paulnomad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            Great post. Needs to be said and repeated, especially with all the noobs coming here.

            [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            Fucking thank you. I see a lot of new users here spouting off nonsense like it's de facto TRP knowledge. Read the fucking sidebar, learn what TRP is about, come to accept the bitter nature of reality.

            Stop with the sugar-coating, else this place will become a hangout for top betas.

            [–]j_arbuckle2012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            I find it hilarious that a post about Feel Good Bullshit generated massive amounts of feel good bullshit.

            [–]Bletz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            God damn it, too relevant

            [–]hoboken2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            Mostly truth. Ive noticed a lack of dialogue about how important things like looks and stature are. If you were born with an unfortunate luck of the genetic draw, money and status will up your value to make up for what you lack iun the looks department, but only so much.

            The more I read the rp the more I realize that helpless romantics will need to convert to catholicism or mormoinism to find their hearts desire in a woman. Guys who aspire to lifetime monogamy will likely never find what they are looking for in secular societies.

            [–]Endorsed Contributordeepthrill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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            I think I'm guilty of this to some degree. Specifically saying that being "manipulative" isn't the only way to be alpha and that alpha can also mean being a confident standup guy. I say it because I believe it but also because it's something I think new trpers are most uneasy about and it's stopping them swallowing the pill.

            [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            I say it because I believe it but also because it's something I think new trpers are most uneasy about and it's stopping them swallowing the pill.

            Taking a sugar-coated version of the pill doesn't work. You believe in the methodology or you don't. You don't sign up for a gym membership and then believe that you only need to do bicep curls.

            The red pill is bitter. Reality is shitty that way. Pretending it isn't true only inhibits your growth.

            [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            Reality is spot on. #2 especially fits where I am currently. The good thing is I know what needs improvement and I am working on it.

            [–]duglock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            I agree with you but the poorly dressed. I purposefully dress down in order to be underestimated and have quite good success. I do tend to notice that a lot of girls that I hook up with claim that their last boyfriend/husband/etc. was a closet homosexual so maybe they are just trying to make sure their next fuck doesn't turn out like that.

            [–]lord-denning 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            The Red Pill is bitter, and sometimes it needs to be swallowed more than once. Thanks for the reminder.

            [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            The looks / money not precluding you from sex with attractive women is NOT feel good bullshit. I see far more people using it as an excuse for not trying / excuse for failure. "Nah I'm going to stop approaching until I get my finances in order / lose some weight."

            Plenty of ugly ass fat guys get laid. Plenty of alphas are broke as a joke. The feel good bullshit is playing up how much looks / money matter as a way of excusing your own poor performance.

            I agree with the rest of what you said massively. If you are using the "looks don't matter" as an excuse to avoid the gym, then yes, you need a slap of reality in the face. But if you are putting off your goals because you need to be "X physical attribute" or loaded with cash, then you're no better than the beta who doesn't get laid through college because "girls will appreciate me after I become a lawyer". If you take a gameless loser and transcribe some beautiful abs on him and put some stacks in his bank account, he's going to pull a lot less ass then someone out of shape in a shitty car who has confidence, charisma, etc.

            That's not feel good bullshit, that is saying if you want something, you need to go get out there, not wait for you to magically become rich and ripped before you leave your cave

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            I agree with everything you said except for the fat part. It's definitely a little better to be in shape, but being big isn't much of a handicap at all. Some women even prefer big guys. Not sloppy and disgusting, but overweight.

            The danger is to think that you can't get laid until you fix absolutely everything in your life and that you have to be some kind of demi-god before you can try to have sex with women.

            [–]Greaseball01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            Hello again, sorry for the retarded conversation the other day, didn't really have any business trying to dismantle an entire subreddit when I'd only read like three posts on it, but I happened to read this and I have some points, and guess what, I'm gonna use quotes.

            "humans are more motivated by the avoidance of pain than the pursuit of pleasure" If this were true then drug addiction and the actions employed by drug addicts to continue their habit would not be a thing, see trainspotting (The book or the movie, I don't care) for more details.

            "Some alphas lead, other just don't follow rules" What you described here didn't seem to follow what I thought of as defining alpha (which in this context I took to mean alpha male since that makes sense) so I looked up the definition of alpha male, which is as follows:

            "the dominant male animal in a particular group"

            Now if this indeed is the correct definition, then what you are outlining in the above section is (ironically) a half truth. You appear to be insinuating that an alpha male is someone who is non-conformist, but this is neither a prerequisite nor a constant. Indeed striving to make oneself fit into the category of Alpha is in itself an act of conformity.

            " if you're new here and you read something that makes you think "Oh, fuck...", that's a red pill you need" Oooooooooooh, now I understand the name, see, now was that so fucking difficult to explain?

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            If you read something that makes you think "Phew, maybe I don't need to ____", that's some Feel Good Bullshit.

            This. This. This. I'm not naturally muscular, and my whole life I avoided the weights. Finally started to hit them. If it sounds like it isn't your thing, make it your thing, because it's where you are weakest

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                It's more than that. It's actually a really clever way of holding undeserving men down and ensuring that only the best and the brightest shine through.

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                    [–]soincrediblylost -4 points-3 points  (14 children)

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                    Jesus fucking Christ. It's not feel good bullshit, it's all under one truth. Just fucking like who you are. That's it. Fucking, that is it.

                    Does that mean you get all the fucking women in the world ready to rip your clothes off? Fuck no, there are even some women who aren't interested in Tom Cruise, but who gives a shit.

                    If you want to call it feel good bullshit, then you've lost sight that all that matters is that you make yourself happy, nothing else. It's not hard.

                    Now, do some of us have higher standards? Fuck yes. Does that help us with happiness or women? Fuck no, it doesn't change shit in the short term.

                    What the fuck do you mean you have to change what you believe to be alpha? Is this a joke? Being a fucking man is exactly about having your own belief system that you follow.

                    And the truth is that I have seen guys who were a physical mess, taking drugs, and pretty much burning their life to the ground in the short term, getting some incredibly attractive women night after night. I knew a guy who was traveling, and literally would never spend his money on anything but beer and hard drugs, had a life that was a mess, and would try to get with a woman every night because that was how he travelled and didn't have money for hotels or hostels. That guy was a mess of a man, but he was with amazingly attractive women, threesomes (even with two sisters once), and girls who were constantly pining for him. He also was one of the funniest guys to be around when he went out because anything could happen.

                    Rock stars burning their lives to ground, partying all the time, do you think they're facing hard truths everyday? Fuck no!

                    Do these guys have their shit together, is it all just some Feel Good Bullshit?!!! Fuck no! Dude, they each lived by their own damn rules and didn't give a fuck about anything else.

                    Now, does living with rules according to reality make you better long term? Absolutely, but don't act like that's the only possible way to be a man or alpha or have quality women or some other bullshit.

                    Fuck, the guy living in a cave on his own probably faces hard truths everyday, philosophers face hard truths everyday and then write about them, does that mean they are successful or are having *Insano-Quality-10-Woman at there beckon call?

                    I get it, some dudes can't be happy unless they are facing the hard truths and constantly have themselves to the fire and their life in order (I am unfortunately also one of these dudes, I have to push myself to the best or I'm annoyed as fuck with my incompetence) but don't act for a second like that's the only way of living well, or even that advice for the other guys is incorrect or bullshit.

                    It just ain't true.

                    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 10 points11 points  (12 children)

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                    Just fucking like who you are. That's it. Fucking, that is it.

                    So basically, if you like being a fat cunt that sits around playing games, as long as you're happy who cares? Who says happiness is the point to life? That's a minimalistic, unevolved inherently narcissistic view of life which is all too common with the rabble "as long as im happy, fuck actual factors in life" so what is your actual fucking impact on humanity? What will that cunt leave humanity with that it can take and use to improve itself for our future successors? Nothing but a chain of fatherless children growing up in poverty. Great.

                    I think OPs getting at self-improvement here, not self-acceptance, and I'm not sure you've differentiated between the two.

                    If you're at a low level and you're happy with yourself, you won't improve but you won't give a fuck that you're not improving because your own happiness is satiated.

                    Happiness comes easier for some than it does for others. Its related to social programming, ambition, genetics, there are a fuck ton of factors at play.

                    Telling people they don't have to change to improve is feel good bullshit however telling people to accept themselves for who they are isn't. Perpetuating that message means they likely won't be doing anything to improve their lot in life, but will simply carry on their quest for instant gratification (you mentioned pussy, hard drugs and beer) forever - until the end. That guy was alpha because he was a risk taker and constantly had the dutch courage from substances. Women liked how audacious and random the guy was. Objectively, he is nothing to speak home to, he achieves nothing but pleasuring himself. I wouldn't consider a hedonist a role model.

                    Literally anyone here could be that guy by doing exactly what he did. It's not hard to be a crazy fucker when you're drugged up and drunk and its hardly admirable either, what, just because the guy got tons of pussy he's even worth talking about? He's still a loser. Women are so easily manipulated they're along for the feels he provides, fuck actual success or respectable accomplishments, they respect him because he makes them feel good - that's it.

                    There's more to measure life by than getting pussy. Fucks me off how this is constantly used as the measuring stick of success, so much so that a completely delinquent fuckwit like the guy you mention is heralded as an example of "you can get women without having shit"

                    The only message I took from that is women like EXTREMELY FUCKED UP characters, spontaneity and ridiculously high confidence which from what you described, sounds like this homeless travelling druggy in a nut shell.

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                      [–]2 Mredpillschool 2 points3 points  (10 children)

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                      If you like being a fat cunt that sits around and plays video games, then why the fuck does it matter.

                      Because it will kill you. You should care.

                      Being happy with mediocrity is for people who won't achieve anything. If you don't want to achieve something, that's fine, but don't expect any respect from those who worked to achieve something.

                      We're people who work to achieve, and round these parts, we're not giving fat fucks any respect or validation.

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                        [–]2 Mredpillschool 1 point2 points  (8 children)

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                        Right, and what I'm saying is that with your attitude I should and could be happy eating garbage on the street while shitting my pants.

                        Which means your life philosophy contains no control mechanism to gain perspective from exterior sources, and can cause a feedback loop that leads to some objectively unhealthy scenarios, and it can also lead to some subjectively troublesome scenarios which could impede one's ability to achieve one's own goals. In fact, your philosophy is strictly lacking in goal setting.

                        I think you've had enough, why don't you sit the next few rounds out.

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                          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (6 children)

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                          You keep repeating your opinion/philosophy, you don't actually tackle any points head on and say why they're wrong.

                          It's kinda like talking with a religious nut. It's truly fascinating.

                          I know you believe what you say, but belief isn't enough. If you believe in bullshit it's going to show when you can't back it up with reasoning and defend your beliefs.

                          You just keep repeating yourself. I'm not particularly bothered that you are as small-minded, illogical and stubborn as you are (not said to cause offence - I observe and deduce this to form a belief based on all your posts I've read), if your bubble/shell of a mentality works for you, seeing as you're all about happiness then why should you care. That is the limitation of your being, you won't mentally or spiritually go past that because you limit yourself into existing in a cycle of self-fulfillment, your justification being a nihilistic viewpoint that humanity is insignificant. You do that because you value happiness and pride over objective improvement. You've given up on humanity, so you give up on yourself past the concept of gratification.

                          I knew a smart, philosophical drug abuser who thought very similarly to you and he could never out-debate me, he thought the drugs made him smarter and above everyone else because they changed his perception of reality, in everyone elses shared reality he was destroying himself and his mind. He ended up in a mental hospital. Nihilism although objectively true (to our current level of shared species knowledge) is mentally unhealthy, and countering the realisation of nihilism with hedonistic abuse is even further unhealthy. The whole "I give no shits because everythings pointless" mentality is not empowering, giving no shits is limit removing, but you have no motivation because you see no point in anything.

                          Your value system is different from this philosophies, but you cannot argue properly why your value system is inherently better, efficient or more valid. As I've done for irony's sake and I shall say again, you keep repeating yourself.

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                            [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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                            That's the toned down response. I wrote a dark triad response which would mini-gun even the strongest ego, but I've held it back because I think you need your own philosophy to cope in life and I probably shouldn't be sending a guy off to see his shrink because my perception of his bigotedness is obnoxious. Your psyche is not mine to destroy, yet if I followed your philosophy and did whatever made me happy, I'd do it to get off on the schadenfreude. That's the great thing about being a machiavellian, you can control when you're a cunt. Dark triads are powerless to their own evil, they have no self-control due to their psychopathy, they're delinquents.

                            I have no desire to change your opinion as there is nothing for me to gain from doing so, the only reason I bothered addressing you at all is because I care about the sub and any naive people who may actually think what you're saying has some semblance of validity to it.

                            I am of the belief that your mind will only change from traumatic life changing experience, substance abuse or some genetic alteration, not through logic communicated through words because you have not demonstrated particularly strong reasoning ability or a curiosity for beliefs other than your own and thus ironically, I see no point in this regard in debating you.

                            I know you may like to debate me, but it simply isn't worth it for me. I'm not saying that to try and frame myself as superior to you in any way, it's simply how I feel. So I guess in this situation I will momentarily agree with your philosophy and follow my own happiness.

                            Take care.

                            [–]Costafarian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                            Holy shit! THANK YOU!

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                              [–]Endorsed ContributorRedSunBlue[S] 6 points7 points  (10 children)

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                              "Alpha means a man who stands by what he believes!" Please sir explain to me why this is feel good bullshit.

                              So if I believe that women are special princesses who should be shielded from all harm behind my bright white armor, can I be attractive to women by really really believing in that?

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                                [–]Endorsed ContributorRedSunBlue[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

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                                Read the glossary in the sidebar, newfag.

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                                  [–]Endorsed ContributorRedSunBlue[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

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                                  In the parlance of this sub:

                                  Alpha – Leader. Somebody who displays high value, or traits that are valued by women. Alpha can refer to a man who exhibits alpha behaviors (more alpha tendancies than beta), but usually used to describe individual behaviors themselves.

                                  Part of the reason I made this post is because all you newbs who didn't read the sidebar post idiotic shit like:

                                  Hahahaha, I love that you immediately define that being attractive to women is how you define alpha.

                                  Of course that's how I define alpha when I'm participating in discussion in TRP. How the fuck are we supposed to know what anyone's talking about when they use the term "alpha" if everyone has there own special definition of it? You're a part of the reason why many of the ECs and Mods rarely even use the term alpha to describe attractive behavior anymore. You equate "alpha" with "being a great man" or some other Feel Good Bullshit.

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                                    Nothing you wrote has any relation to what you're replying to.

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                                          Dumpster diving doesn't count, lardass.