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[–]gstvtrp 106 points107 points  (18 children)

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This cannot be repeated enough. I believe it to be lesson #1 to TRP.

If I would have had just this one piece of advice and followed it through during my younger years, my life would have been a whole lot better.

As a male, you just cannot talk about these topics to a woman.

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    [–]lithium_bromide 6 points7 points  (15 children)

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    elaborate on that last part

    [–]Hrel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    My guess, a family of all men would mean they learned their game from men, not women. Yet these are the men his sister's date. But I'm not him, so it's just a guess.

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (9 children)

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    as far as that last part, i've noticed that all/majority male households tend to produce a totally better adolescent/ young man. for instance, i recall that almost all the great athletes I played sports w/ growing up tended to come from male households w/ a father, older brothers, uncles.

    it has something to do w/ the fact that only men can teach boys how to be a man.a woman trying to raise a son is like what OP said about a car buyer trying to teach a car salesman. a girl, on the other hand, can become a woman all on her own no problemo, w/ no woman to guide her.

    women are conformists by nature; men are individuals.

    [–]lithium_bromide 1 point2 points  (8 children)

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    At first I was like, uhm bullshit, but I thought about it a bit more and you're kinda right.

    A good buddy of mine grew up in an all female home (a very big one at that) I had some post-sex conversations with one of his ex's and she was telling me about how he knows how to handle girls so well because of this. And how charming and caring he can be.

    So thought to myself wait a second, I didn't think about that shit for one second. She begged me to come fuck her for hours and I told her I don't want to I'd rather just sit around and smoke weed.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

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    Why are you fucking your friend's leftovers?

    [–]lithium_bromide -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

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    Because sex.

    [–]lithium_bromide -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

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    Because sex.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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    OK. I just never really had interest in fucking girls that any of my friends had already turned out. Any of my friends that go after other friends' leftovers usually get mocked.

    [–]lithium_bromide -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

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    LOL go ahead and mock me then. I'm the one getting laid...

    Even more importantly, it isn't anyone's business besides me her and roommates anyway.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    Well you just told a story about getting laid so obviously you're getting laid. I'm just saying that fucking my friend's sloppy seconds isn't my thing, that's all.

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      [–]lithium_bromide -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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      lol fuck yeah. I've also found that my refractory period is exactly one blunts-worth. So halftime blunts are the best thing ever.

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        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Which is why all male environments are so important to young men.

        [–]Bobwayne17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        I completely agree. I'm only 21, so I'm glad I realized it so soon, but I remember just a year ago when I was pandering to every single girl I know about what to do with girls. Such a terrible idea lol.

        [–]Endorsed Contributorfluviant 93 points94 points  (13 children)

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        Do you think the reality of what happened factored into their dating advice in the future? Hell no.

        I think this is the crux here. Women don't want to get pump-'n'-dumped, whereas men do want to pump-'n'-dump. Therefore, since women don't want this, they will give advice on how to be the man they settle down with. They give advice that turns you into a beta schmuck. Remember, they're trying to use you to set up a nice, lofty pension. That's their biological imperative and end-goal.

        If you bring up their casual encounters at all while seeking advice, they'll deflect with something like, "that's shallow, you don't want that, I've made mistakes," or some other bullshit. They don't want to be used, so they don't give advice to that end.

        The problem is they go through a routine when they give advice. It's "be nice, caring, sensitive," etc. Then if you try to say you only want sex, they get defensive, throw the towel in, and in their fit end with, "I still think you should be nice, caring, and sensitive, it's the right thing to do. That's what girls really like in guys."

        [–]2 Mredpillschool 22 points23 points  (0 children)

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        Very good perspective.

        [–]1johnnight 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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        Excellent observation. This is also the advice parents give, because parents don't want you to get laid. They want you to settle down and be boring.

        Edit:

        The traditional dating advice comes from a time, when a young man had to convince her parents to date their daughter. They were screening hard for that beta provider and they were the gatekeepers of sex.

        What I would expect from a girl as honest dating advice is something like "be exciting and fun". That's nothing to be ashamed of. Why parrot off the "settle down" propaganda? Are you setting me up as a provider or are you reading from an old memorized script?

        [–]RG68 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        At least your parents gave you some dating advice haha! I was raised in a house hold where sex and dating was just never ever discussed. In fact the only time it was ever brought up was when my parents found out I'd been watching porn when I was 13-14. My mother shouted, cried, and told me I was disgusting.

        Spent most of my teenage years believing sex was shameful and girls would think I was disgusting, when i should have been out there having fun, experimenting and slaying high school poon. Its only in the last few years that I've developed a healthy outlook on sex and relationships. Cheers mum.

        [–]consumer_of_fungy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        ty for the new perspective.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

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        I would add to this that women are also trying to create a safe environment to raise children. Male sexual competition and aggression is very much a thing they want to get rid of. Unless it directly involves them. I believe this is one of the roots of leftist thinking and hugboxes. Aggression and competitiveness are critical to get laid on the long run, which is why this is so toxic for young men to buy into this thinking.

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          [–]1PaulRivers10 3 points4 points  (4 children)

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          Tired of people's stupid one-sided political whining.

          Just like feminists blame men for everything including things that are their own fault, conservatives blames liberals for everything that was their own fault. Timothy McVeigh was extremely conservative.

          Do you know why so many red pillers and "Game" bloggers are conservative? It's because the conservative christian church so much more heavily indoctrinates their members into being non-aggressive, non-competitive, and just waiting for "god" to do everything for them.

          There is no bullshit in liberalism which does not have an equal counterpart in convervatism, it just uses different wording.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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          Fair enough. Shouldn't have brought politics into it.

          Altho being this a RP sub, primarily inhabited by white dudes who like to bang chicks, I would assume there are more conservative/libetarian types. Being liberal seems to go right along w/ being a Manboob, Blue Pill, White Knight.

          Shit does vary across the country tho. Here in New England, conservatives are usually center right, not far right = not church going or religious, suit & tie type. They're independent men who want less government, less laws, more guns, less immigration.

          Would be interesting to see a political breakdown of Red Pillers. Guessing 75% conservative/25% liberal.

          [–]1PaulRivers10 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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          Fair enough. Shouldn't have brought politics into it.

          Ok, that's cool. I actually upvoted this comment from you, it happens.

          Altho being this a RP sub, primarily inhabited by white dudes who like to bang chicks, I would assume there are more conservative/libetarian types.

          I think their are, but as a liberal who's ended up in a crowd of conservatives, to me the reason appears to be that conservative men get hit harder than liberals do with the "don't do anything women actually like" stick. They end up getting hit with both some of the feminism ideology, and also the conservative "sex is bad, sinful, and god doesn't want you to do it" ideology.

          Point is it became obvious to them that it was bullshit sooner - but only because they got hit harder with it. That's how it looks from my viewpoint.

          Being liberal seems to go right along w/ being a Manboob, Blue Pill, White Knight.

          Lol, I hang out with a big group of conservatives now. The blue pill white knight liberals I know occassionally get laid, whereas the conservatives I know have never had sex. Ever. And if they do - and I'm talking about the guys - they're like scared of it.

          Let me give you an example. My dad doesn't like to pursue women for some reason. He married my mother, found another girlfriend after they got divorced, and now he's been dating someone for years who's like a 6.5 (if she was my age).

          He's given me a lot of terrible blue pill advice, and he's imparted some stupid discomfort in me about pursuing women. But - I've dated 5-6 girls, and slept with 3 of them. I'm 33.

          My friend from the conservative side of the fence, he was 25 and had never kissed a girl let alone had sex with one. I've met his dad. His dad - who is very conservative, just like him - is a never ending stream of blue pill advice, except it's not just advice for him - for him it's "morality". It's God's Will.

          One example is that he strongly and personally told me that women "don't like aggressive men". When I mentioned I was hanging out with a girl from his state who I was interested - he immediately had a strong negative emotional reaction. What was I doing hanging out with a girl that I wasn't going to have a long term future with?

          I can only say from experience that conservatives seem to get a lot more blue pill advice from the church than liberals get from the bullshit of modern feminism. To me, this is why most "game" advice is from conservatives - they've been at the far end of it for a while, so it's way more obvious that it doesn't work.

          Shit does vary across the country tho. Here in New England, conservatives are usually center right, not far right = not church going or religious, suit & tie type. They're independent men who want less government, less laws, more guns, less immigration.

          Ah, maybe it's different for you. I live in Minnesota.

          Would be interesting to see a political breakdown of Red Pillers. Guessing 75% conservative/25% liberal.

          Would be, but like I said...I think that's because conservatives get double the dose of blue pill from their church to start off with.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          Thanks for the response, brah. You made some good points. I honesty will think about this shit a lil different now; esp that hard core religious conservatives are born into ground zero of the Matrix.

          Full disclosure - I was raised totally liberal (very common here in the People's Republic of Mass) and only when I hit my late 20's began to swing towards Conservatism. A common happenstance among intelligent white dudes, I've noticed. I consider Libertarians to be reformed liberal men who are 'center right' and quite anti-religion, anti-imperialist, anti-federal govt, anti-feminism.

          Another interesting point is that the 50, 60 yo dudes I work w/, who are REALLY conservative still consider me a flaming liberal, lol.

          Anywho, I recommend you look into Libertarianism, bro. You might grow into it as you get older. It's Liberal Conservatism, to coin a paradox.

          [–]1PaulRivers10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Thanks for the response, brah. You made some good points. I honesty will think about this shit a lil different now; esp that hard core religious conservatives are born into ground zero of the Matrix.

          Ha, cool.

          Full disclosure - I was raised totally liberal (very common here in the People's Republic of Mass) and only when I hit my late 20's began to swing towards Conservatism. A common happenstance among intelligent white dudes, I've noticed.

          I've noticed that often smart people born into the far end of either side of the political spectrum tend to swing towards the other end.

          I consider Libertarians to be reformed liberal men who are 'center right' and quite anti-religion, anti-imperialist, anti-federal govt, anti-feminism.

          Interesting. I myself consider myself liberal, but have definitely become anti-modern-feminism.

          Another interesting point is that the 50, 60 yo dudes I work w/, who are REALLY conservative still consider me a flaming liberal, lol.

          Ha

          Anywho, I recommend you look into Libertarianism, bro. You might grow into it as you get older. It's Liberal Conservatism, to coin a paradox.

          That's cool, later.

          [–]xiko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          This is the best answer I have read by far. It makes sense.

          [–]handhandhand 83 points84 points  (25 children)

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          You don't ask a fish how to catch a fish.

          Edit: I understand that there are some terrible fisherman. There are also fish that want to be caught. But at the end of the day, a skilled fisherman can catch many different types of fish. The bottom feeding carp only knows what it takes to catch a carp, and has no idea what it takes to catch a salmon.

          [–]rebuildingMyself 24 points25 points  (7 children)

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          One hamster even mocked that phrase.

          [–]through_a_ways 20 points21 points  (1 child)

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          They mock it, but they can't refute it.

          "Oh, but you don't ask a fish how to catch fish /sarcasm, what a shitty analogy, you shitlord"

          "So are you saying asking a fish for fishing advice is a good idea?"

          "..."

          [–]rebuildingMyself 20 points21 points  (0 children)

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          (banned)

          [–]handhandhand 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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          People get defensive towards the things they are most vulnerable to.

          [–]1Zackcid 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          But they did bring up a somewhat good point about the fish being slaughtered and eaten if it gave away tips on how to catch it. Scrolling up on this thread however, someone OP posted an analogy that should definitely replace the fish scenario because of its accuracy:

          Would you ask a car salesman or a car buyer on how to make sales?

          note: take a pause of emphasis after the words "salesman" and "buyer" to make it sound right.

          [–]Elonine 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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          "Fish don't WANT to get caught, women do."

          Is the retort I've heard.

          [–]mydoucheaccount 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          I've heard that as well...

          Would you ask a dog how to win best of breed or the show judge?... "don't call me a bitch you misogynist!"

          [–]rebuildingMyself 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          "using analogies is a tool of the patriarchy"

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          You don't ask a cow how to BBQ.

          [–]insane_psycho 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          First bit of RP advice I heard years before I knew what the redpill was.

          [–]roamingjerk 79 points80 points  (22 children)

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          I find that women actually give excellent relationship advice... as long as you do literally the exact opposite of anything they say. It's like a compass always pointing south; just go the opposite way if you want to head north.

          They tell men to be sweet, kind, gentle, considerate, nice, etc, and we all know how that plays out. But women should definitely do all of the above, as it's precisely what we're looking for.

          Then they tell women to be a challenge, don't answer his calls, don't laugh at his jokes, play hard to get, but all that does it make them look like cocky aloof alpha males. Truth is, it's men who should act this way.

          Ignoring dating and relationship advice from women is a safe thing to so, but the advanced move is to listen very carefully -- and do the exact opposite of whatever they say. This applies to both men and women receiving advice from women.

          I've gotten this far, but the thing that still puzzles me, and perhaps someone can chime in, is why this occurs? Garbage advice is one thing, but their advice is 10 times out of 10 completely opposite the correct move. It's definitely nonrandom. I'm sure female solipsism is at play here somehow but why specifically is male/female advice switched? Shit test? Betraying their friends on purpose because they secretly hate them?

          [–]mo_dingo 19 points20 points  (16 children)

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          But as men, don't we fall into the same trap? How can we give women dating advice?

          Maybe because we actually tell women what we really want/need, and unlike women, we don't begrudge a woman for doing as we wish.

          subconsciously though, can't men fall into this trap?

          [–]gstvtrp 36 points37 points  (8 children)

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          Women don't need dating advice in the same way that men do.

          [–]mo_dingo 19 points20 points  (7 children)

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          Good point, but they do need advice. The crap they get from magazines is atrocious.

          Who then is best to advise them?

          [–]gstvtrp 32 points33 points  (1 child)

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          Attractive women will have no problem "finding" a man. If she wants an alpha, the hard part is getting him to stick around. The best people to advise them for that is RPW. Basically requires developing skills outside of just looking good.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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          What you mean her tits aren't enough to keep a man around? /s

          [–]Spore2012 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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          Men are easy. Just appreciate us and be enthusiastic. That's literally all she has to do in any facet, aside from maybe basic kino stuff.

          [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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          Women who are married happily to higher or equal value males (aka they didn't settle for the beta bucks. They got their alpha fucks to become their alpha bucks). All cliches aside, the winners of girl game are those who do better than the typical dichotomy of riding player dick or marrying up a chump. They manage to actually get commitment from the type of guy that they want.

          These type of women are the ones who need to advice other women. But honestly, these women have no incentive to. They are generally too busy living the good life to travel back into the headspace of a teenage feminist and help her out. If you are getting led around by your dream guy, having kids, either keeping a good home or good career, you don't really have time or incentive to argue on the internet with female losers and haters.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          Women married with children already. Those who have "played the game" and "won" by societies standards.

          Obviously it would only be women in good relationships. Just as men who are shitty blue pill virgins cant give good dating advice to other men, the girl with the husband that beats her or the slut cant give advice to other women.

          [–]NotReallyEthicalLOL 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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          Cosmos

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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          A valid concern, which is why female posters are often directed to /r/redpillwoman instead of here. We do benefit from the advantage of looking at things from a purely rational standpoint though. There are very few (if any) female spaces that discard emotion when looking at something with the purpose of accomplishing a goal.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil 15 points16 points  (1 child)

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          I give women great dating advice: Don't Be fat.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorwhiskey_bearfist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          women dont need advice on getting sex, they need advice on getting commitment. guys can easily offer advice to women on getting sex, but its just not something most women need.. its obvious.

          but getting commitment from a high value man that she is attracted to is a completely different game, and only women who have done that are worthy of giving advice on such.

          [–]redpillaviator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Less likely to happen since women base everything they want off their emotions and men base what they want off of logic.

          [–]autoNFA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          I think they can. Plenty of guys overlook important non-physical factors when they list the qualities they want in a girlfriend.

          [–]peoplesuck357 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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          Of course this is a generalization, so feminists beware: women are so complex they tend not to understand everything about themselves. Despite that, the dating advice they give to men is probably honest and with good intention.

          Men are much better at giving constructive criticism and advice because their needs are much simpler - just be nice, good looking, relatively smart, and virtuous, and guys will like you.

          [–]1Zackcid 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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          Some argue that the shitty advice they give out is honestly what they believe, but in the context of a man who is already very attractive. So, when they're telling you that being kind, giving, selfless, etc. is what they want, what they're really imaging is an attractive guy (think celebrities or even bad boys) doing those things. They don't imagine betas doing even more beta gestures.

          [–]Kepaso 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          this is it. Women are always looking at the top men. Wether its feminist complaining about men making all the ceos in the world ( when they are forgetting all the homeless men in the streets), or women in general giving pick up advices. They are thinking about a cool guy they already like so all he have to do he s being nice and voila, they re not talking about the average beta in the street.

          [–]1PaulRivers10 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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          I've gotten this far, but the thing that still puzzles me, and perhaps someone can chime in, is why this occurs?

          Have you considered that it's a way to keep men and women from hooking up until they're much older?

          I'm liberal, but I'm struck by how obvious this is in the conservative christian church - it tells girls that a man who's worthy will pursue her, but it tells boys that women will react negatively and not like him if he pursues her. It makes a point of giving both sides advice that cannot possibly work together.

          What better way to convince a woman to have less sex and a less successful dating life, than to convince her that what she really wants is the opposite of what she actually wants?

          It's like if you wanted to get fisherman to catch less fish, tell them that the best time for fishing is what is really the worst time, tell them that if they're catching fish now that they should immediately move to another lake (the opposite of what they should actually do), etc etc.

          It's "sabotage through bad advice".

          Now this isn't the only reason - most things people do have multiple overlapping reasons, and I can think of a couple more. But this is the first one that came to mind.

          What better way to keep women from dating for longer than to get them to seek out guys they won't actually be attracted to?

          [–]Fenrisulfr22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          It could be that when they are telling us what we should do they are playing by the script of what culture has told them they should want, but when they are telling each other what to do they are simply repeating the exact tactics that work on them without even realizing the irony in it.

          [–]WeaponizedTruth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Betraying their friends on purpose because they secretly hate them?

          That's definitely part of it.

          [–]paidthecost 27 points28 points  (5 children)

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          Really good post. The biggest point to take from this is definitely that a woman will only ever be able to tell you how to get one woman(her).

          A player will be able to tell you how he get over a hundred. Sometimes over a thousand.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorDownvoteToDisagree[S] 25 points26 points  (2 children)

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          And that's only if the girl is both knowledgable and honest about herself. Many people lack introspection and self awareness.

          [–]paidthecost 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          Word. I agree with people saying this is a good primer for TRP. I would show this to matrixed friends before anything else.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorDownvoteToDisagree[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Thanks. I saw people worried about content quality as the sub grew bigger, felt like discussing some fundamentals.

          [–]redpillhead 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          Yup because listening to a girl is the fastest way to go from friend zone to bone zone.

          [–]Olipyr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          A player will be able to tell you how he get over a hundred.

          Make women laugh. It's the easiest way into their panties. Obviously, know how to physically escalate from there. Example, go in for a kiss as early as possible, the majority of the time, she will kiss back. Steal it if you have to.

          It really is that simple. It works for 95.6% of women.

          [–]ClearArmor 47 points48 points  (27 children)

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          Word. If you put any woman in a man-suit and told her "go out and get laid" or a relationship or whatever, she wouldn't have the first damn clue what to do. They'll ignorantly reply "well just go pick a girl and take her home." And I'm talking even older women that have been married and have been in relationships have zero clue about what the male experience is. It actually kind of astounds me sometimes, like the reality and perspective fuses just didn't get replaced when they burned out. So yeah, if you want advice how to pick curtains she'd like, ask her opinion. When it comes to catching unicorns or sluts, consult those who have been there.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorDownvoteToDisagree[S] 110 points111 points  (15 children)

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          I remember reading a post by Tuthmosis from RooshV/RoK where he basically says "to the typical female mind, romance and seduction 'just happen.'" Because the man is the instigator/pursuer, women are just used to having opportunities present themselves on a platter when it comes to dating and sex.

          A girl is at a bar I "just happen" to be at. (I'm there because I've spent dozens of nights out figuring out the best nightlife spots)

          I "just happen" to walk up to her and open an amusing conversation. (I've honed my openers and alleviated approach anxiety through dozens of approaches)

          I "just happen" to bring her to the dancefloor, where we "just happen" to makeout. (I've run through this routine many times until I'm comfortable taking the lead and reading the situation as it develops)

          When I ask her out on a date later, we "just happen" to go to a bar where it's easy to talk to. (I've figured out, over the course of many dates, my most successful 'date plan' consisting of bar hopping)

          While we talk, we "just happen" to have similar interests and humor. (I'm attuned to what typical young women's interests are through countless inquisitive conversations with random girls)

          Later, we "just happen" to go back to my apartment, where I "just happen" to have wine ready for us to split, where we "just happen" to start making out, where I "just happen" to lead her to the bedroom, etc. etc. etc.

          [–]2 Mredpillschool 21 points22 points  (0 children)

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          This is a good post. People read it

          [–]MockingDead 48 points49 points  (1 child)

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          When you know the magician's trick, it's disappointing to the viewer. But other magicians love to know the trick.

          Betas also think they don't have to work to get laid. Hence a lot of their problems.

          [–]mydoucheaccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          they think they dont have to work at it because they listen to womens advice of "just be yourself etc"......is this where we came in?

          [–]IIHotelYorba 16 points17 points  (2 children)

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          Exactly, I feel really strongly about this. The thing is though that girls have a vested interest in coincidence. The more shit that happens "coincidentally," the less she thinks people can say she's responsible for.

          "Well, I didn't know we were going to have sex, it just happened!"

          Honestly I wonder about this sometimes, in a chicken or the egg way. I'm sure girls at least want to be this fucking pollyanna, but do they do it deliberately, or do they maybe just repress it so fucking hard it's practically subliminal.

          [–]2 Mredpillschool 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          Hypoagency. GirlWritesWhat has a good video on this somewhere.

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          Edit: whoops, wrong thread.

          Yep. I've seen all of Karen's videos. Hypoagency and objectification are synonyms, but in certain cases I like the term object as it describes accurately how others are meant to act around you when you take on a role. They basically manipulate you like any inert thing that doesn't really make decisions for itself or take actions of it's own accord. You literally make yourself more of a fucking object, like a rock or something, than a person.

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            Which is why when hot woman hit the wall around 35 and are still single they are truly lost.

            [–]1FloranHunter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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            I suspect this is why women read male dating advice and think it's creepy, rapey, manipulative, aggressive (meaning violent to them), etc. They don't see how Machiavellian men have to be to date women and aren't remotely empathetic enough to overcome their natural perspective.

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            'Woman in a man-suit' AKA butch lesbians.

            No matter how much they act like men, or hook up w/ broads, or get in fights; their inherent femininity shines through. Just like w/ wiggers. They are AFFECTING something and you notice that affectation above all else.

            [–]Elonine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            A chapter of the book "Self-Made Man" covers this exact topic. worth a read, if you have time.

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              [–]2 Mredpillschool 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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              A girl doing pickup for a threesome is the maximum social proof for the dude.

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                The fact that this guy has one girl who not only is down to fuck (social proof) but is so enamored that she's willing to put up with a threesome (high value male), it's just really good social proof for him.

                [–]1Zackcid 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                Do you get flustered or bothered if your man starts to really 'dig' the girl you're considering having a 3some with?

                [–]mydoucheaccount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                It's a lot different not "a little"

                [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Women's solipsism knows no bounds. The sooner you realize this the better off you will be.

                [–]The_CEO_of_Beta 44 points45 points  (0 children)

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                Expecting girls to know what makes her tingle is the same as expecting everyone to be a foot doctor because they all have feet.

                [–]Kepaso 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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                [–]SpecialFester 14 points15 points  (5 children)

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                Sometimes, I really just can't understand what's so controvertial about TRP.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                People (mostly women (and of those women mostly feminists)) do not want to accept the truth. TRP is the truth.

                [–]1Zackcid 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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                Imagine if you and every single guy on this planet were walking around with $20k in your pockets at all times and girls didn't have this abundance and saught it out from you. Imagine if a group of 30 000 girls somewhere was grouping up and just discussing ways for them to "sneak" their way into your pants (literally. these hobos need that cash you're carrying). Wouldn't you feel a little disturbed, especially since it's an all-female group talking about male stuff? (gives it an added cult-like effect, since it's almost gender exclusive) And as an added bonus, let's just say that your gender tends to be more hive-minded and if it sees all the bashing this group of females gets online and sees the comments calling that group manipulative and evil, you'll likely just go with the flow without actually be willing to understand it.

                Well, that a simplification of what's really going, except we aren't plotting about "sneaking" into their pants. Some women are just ignorant about what we're really discussing and some women subconsciously hate the fact that beta males are learning things to turn them on. Similar to the way most women hate sluts for lowering the price of pussy, they'll hate groups like TRP for sharing ideas about the Sexual Marketplace.

                [–]SpecialFester 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                I clearly need to be more specific. I understand why people don't like TRP. What I don't understand is what parts of TRP theory people don't believe are true, because I feel like it's all so self apparent, that's what I mean by how is this controvertial?

                Everything RP says is explained theoretically by evo psycho, but more importantly it's confirmed by everything I've experienced or witnessed personally, and because I assume other men's experiences must be more or less like mine I assume it must be confirmed by everything they've experienced or witnessed personally as well. So I don't understand how they disagree.

                But the Blue Pill is filled with people who not only don't like TRP, but actually disagree with the veracity of it's claims. Claims like I said, I feel are so pants-on-head obvious, I don't understand how anyone could disagree with them.

                Blue Pill men hamster quite a bit I believe, the same way as women. The example about the guy who "plays therapist while she fucks other guys (finds herself)" would be hamstered away by a Blue Piller - "He just wasn't the right one for her!" "They're just better off friends!" "Not all women are like that!" Etc. I dunno, what other rationalizations do you think they often use? Can u think of any?

                [–]riskrowe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                The majority of those who dislike this subreddit are from a feminist background and are convinced that masculinity is evil. They think being dominant is abuse, being bold is rape, being flirty is manipulation, and being honest is misogyny.

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                Societal taboos are another name for lies of the powerful. Those in power want to stay in power and being honest and truthful exposes them as they are.

                [–]Moh7 46 points47 points  (7 children)

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                Patrice O'Neal VS doctor Z on this exact topic.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkDZPC-M_ek

                Doctor Z writes a book for men on how to pick up women, her and patrice go at it about how she doesn't know what she's talking about.

                [–]Olipyr 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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                Oh my god, I'm crying! Laughing my ass off listening to this. I can smell her wetness from here.

                He was taken WAY too early.

                [–]JimmyTheIntern 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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                The key moment comes right before the 40 minute mark.

                Patrice: "Do you realize the fact that you're a doctor doesn't make you more attractive than if..."

                DrZ: "No, it does make me more attractive.

                Patrice: "It doesn't! I'm telling you, it doesn't."

                DrZ: "It doesn't make me more attractive to you because you are into skanky women... but there are plenty of guys to whom it does make me more attractive."

                She totally believes her own bullshit and goes completely off the rails from here. It's absolutely beautiful.

                [–]mydoucheaccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                she's been told it by white knights repeatedly enough....and of course a Dr is sexy to her therefore it should be sexy to a man. Logic

                [–]myownmyth 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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                and at the same time he is completely breaking down her theories he is getting her to take off her clothes.

                [–]Endorsed Contributorwhiskey_bearfist 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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                [–]autowikibot 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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                First paragraph from linked Wikipedia article about Victoria Zdrok :


                Victoria Nika Zdrok (Ukrainian: Вікторія Здрок; born March 3, 1973) is a pornographic actress, author, and model of Ukrainian origin. She was chosen as a Playboy Playmate in October 1994. In June 2002 she became Penthouse magazine's Pet of the Month, later being chosen as their 2004 Penthouse Pet of the Year. Zdrok is a star of adult porn videos, a non-practicing attorney, a clinical psychologist and sex therapist.


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                [–]sciencefacts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                Good stuff

                [–]100 Modbsutansalt 14 points15 points  (1 child)

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                The car salesman/buyer analogy is a damn good one and I'm surprised I've never heard of it before. Props!

                [–]Vodkas21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                I was thinking that as well. They also tried to bring up bisexuals being the best advice givers but you can take the car salesman analogy a step further. Female bisexuals buy cars and are salesman of shoes(could be anything besides cars).

                [–]closetothesilence 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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                I would rather eat the food prepared by a chef than a food critic.

                I would rather the pilot fly me to my destination than the guy that programmed google maps.

                I spent years doing what women told me I needed to do to garner their affection and all it ever got me was "Don't change a thing. Someone ELSE will find you perfect just the way you are. Now if you excuse me, I have to go ride the cock carousel for a while. Make sure you're free in a few weeks when he screws me over so I can come cry on your shoulder and tell you how I don't want to risk our friendship by being more than friends."

                [–]10J18R1A 24 points25 points  (4 children)

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                It's not that complex. Women have no idea what they want, only what they think they want. So their advice is to do things that they think they want, and then some beta kid comes by, DOES THE EXACT THINGS SHE SAYS SHE WANTS, gets rejected, and doesn't understand it.

                If a woman wants you, it doesn't matter what you do. If a woman doesn't want you, it doesn't matter what you do. It only matters if she's on the fence. The only relationship advice worth heeding is be the best version if yourself you can be, and find the people that want that. Don't be everything on her checklist, be the reason she revises it. I had a girl tell me "you're everything I didn't know I wanted." Be yourself and let it ride.

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                So their advice is to do things that they think they want, and then some beta kid comes by, DOES THE EXACT THINGS SHE SAYS SHE WANTS, gets rejected, and doesn't understand it.

                Yep. Hence why the joke "Step 1. Be attractive Step 2. Don't be unattractive" rings true in a deep way.

                [–]dvrzero -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                Yeah get off your ass and get built.

                It ain't hard. 300->215 convert here.

                [–]Elonine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                So Over the Holidays I was hanging out at my mom's house. She was watching "Tootsie" ("meh" movie overall, but it is enjoyable to hear Bill Murray call Dustin Hoffman a slut)

                Anyway, there's a scene where the love interest tell Dustin Hoffman (who she believes is a women, because he is in drag) "I wish a man would just do 'x')

                Well, a couple scenes later, Hoffman does exactly what she said... and gets either slapper or a drink thrown in his face...

                Either way, my mom didn't quite see why I thought that was so funny...

                Also, it's a work of fiction.

                [–]yeahthatsanalter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                i read a car anaolgy here some other day:

                if you ask me what kinds of car i like, i will truthfully answer: black cars, fuel economic cars, thats the kind i like.

                if presented with the choice between a black prius and a yellow lamborghini, i will take the lambo. because HOT DAMN.

                same thing if you ask a woman what kind of men they like.

                [–]Kloohorn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                From a TRP thread:

                "One more thing… many guys make the mistake of listening to female romantic advice. Don't listen to them, THEY DON'T KNOW WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, and the WILL steer you wrong. They will tell you know they THINK they want, instead of what they actually RESPOND to. And furthermore, a large part of the female sexual experience IS the inability to admit these things BECAUSE they derive sexual pleasure from putting up resistance and being overwhelmed."

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                A bit offtopic but the cunt mods at askwomen ban anyone that says anything even closely related to the truth.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                The original post seems a pretty reasonable argument to me, it's not some bitter rant, it makes sense. It's disappointing to see someone get treated like that for having an opinion that doesn't match an accepted norm.

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                the mods are all feminist. I got banned from there for having an unpopular opinion but the ban reason was some bs about being "offensive"

                [–]Endorsed ContributorYouDislikeMyOpinion 24 points25 points  (2 children)

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                Very solid post. This is very good as a primer for Red Pill.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorDownvoteToDisagree[S] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

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                I think our usernames are meant to be together.

                [–]DownVoteGuru 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                Get outta heeere!

                [–]musicvita25 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                Can I go one step further and say women give shit advice in general?

                I can't tell you how many times ive clashed with female family members over illogical suggestions in life, business, even my fucking dress sense.

                [–]PlusGoody 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                I find that women give great advice as long as you prefix it with "have high status and ask for what you want and ..." By failing to attach that prefix though you can misinterpret 180 degrees. Notice how women rarely give advice that is defective even prefixed. "Friends first" or "take her to an expensive dinner on the first date" or "don't try to kiss her" -- you don't hear those things.

                PUA game works on some women because those women are prone to convert game moves into DHVs. Good looks work for almost everyone because they are primal status.

                [–]redpillhead 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                here is what I posted in the PPD thread.

                To me men are like comedians. When we want to step up our game we go to other proven comedies not some random member in the crowd who things they know funny. The attitude women have about approaching women is the same attitude a heckler has about comedy. "Oh this guy sucks. I know real comedy, watch me show him how its done. It is not really that hard to be funny." What happens when the comic calls the heckler's bluff? They bomb. Every. Single. Time. So until a woman wants to put her self into the shoes of a man approaching a women, her opinion isn't valid.

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                Pretty sure dating advice from women would only work on a nice, church-going, family oriented woman from the 1950's.. Rather than today's lady gaga wannabe entitled white bitches who can't get off their iphones because their 5 other boy toys keep texting them.

                [–]rebuildingMyself 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                Meanwhile, hamster women feel they are the sole experts on relationship advice, marriage advice, how to attract men, and how to attract women.

                Look at the wonderful advice they give everyone on relationshipadvice or aakhamsters. It all boils down to what's best for meeeeee.

                [–]TheeRyanGrey 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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                My best friend is a lesbian; I talk about her and my experiences with her all the time because I feel they provide a unique perspective.

                She is phenomenal at picking up women, whether straight, bi, or gay. She is terrible at EVERYTHING after. Absolutely terrible. She knows enough about women to turn them on but absolutely no clue how to be the masculine entity in the relationship and control it to her desire.

                Women just don't possess the tools to give men advice about women, even the women who like women.

                [–]Inb4AdHominen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                TLDR: If you want to learn how to fish, ask a fisherman, not the fish.

                [–]TonyDAbsolute 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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                There are women like Kezia Noble and Arden Leigh who give very good advice, because they learned from pua instead of bitching about it.

                [–]1Zackcid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                Kezia knows her stuff.

                [–]SpecialFester 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                "You ever sit down to pee, like you think you gotta take a shit and then you don't, so you just sat down to pee, and how demoralizing that was? Like man, I'm a bitch." hahahahahaha

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                Has anyone noticed the mouse-over text on the reddit logo on /r/askWomen? If they're saying what I think they're saying, then we may have gotten under their skin a little bit...

                Edit: Forgot to mention how fantastic this post was. I always ignored what advice guys had on picking up women because I thought they seemed brutish or stupid, but I also noticed immediately that what women recommend does not work. I am very much a LTR kind of guy, and thus I don't really game much, but it is not lost on me that the superior game strategy is the one provided by men. I have a very good red-pill relationship now, but if I ever find myself single again, it is clear what to do in order to get back into another.

                [–]noblepaladin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                Even if women fully understand the dynamics of relationships, and I think some do (such as those on RedPillWomen), it is very hard to get a straight forward answer from them. Feminism has conditioned them to be too politically correct, they have to echo the same Blue Pill lines. Even those that know better typically play dumb out of self preservation. People call us haters, but we are not the ones doxxing, publicly shaming, or trying to destroy careers.

                Let's take a far simpler example. I used to be fat. I asked people what I can do to improve my chances with women. There is one very obvious thing to do, get in shape. Most guys told me that, even blue pillers. But out of all the girls I asked, only one told me that. And I am certain they all know that a fit man is more attractive than a fat man, but they simply refuse to say it. The funny thing is, after I lost all the fat and got in shape, they all complimented me on how much better I looked. What the fuck, if you told me that I didn't look good when I was fat, I would have had more motivation to get in shape and I would have gotten in shape earlier. Seriously, get a fat friend, and have some female friends give him advice on what he can do to improve his odds with women. They won't tell him to lose weight, even though they all know that is the most obvious thing he can do. Girls won't tell fat girls to lose weight either, even though they know it is the obvious thing to do.

                For whatever reason (feminism, they fear you will get angry, political correctness, fear they'll lose an orbiter, etc), the odds of getting a straight answer are very low, even for something that is brutally obvious. Men don't have this social conditioning and you are far more likely to get a straight answer.

                [–]10J18R1A 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                The best way to attract a woman is to not give a fuck if you attract a woman.

                [–]AlfredTheGreatest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                You have to LOOK like you don't give a fuck. If you actually didn't care you'd be at home playing vids.

                [–]Spore2012 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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                What do you mean 'got banned we did it'? You mean anyone who links to TRP gets deleted post?

                [–]Endorsed ContributorDownvoteToDisagree[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                "We did it, Reddit!" is a common cliche I was mocking. I'm personally b&.

                [–]1Zackcid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                You're personally banned?

                b& > b-and > banned

                We le did it, le reddit!

                [–]SgtBrutalisk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                It's in female nature to avoid making others feel unpleasant (it's all about the feels), so naturally they won't tell you the truth, because truth hurts.

                [–]okayawayaccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                my mom actually gives me the most RP advice I've ever received from anyone... it's all "Just fuck her" this, "Don't show your feelings to her" that, it's actually kind of sad....

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                I think you can also summarize this by saying a woman will give you advice that she sees as socially acceptable for her to provide. She probably isn't going to tell you to slap a girls ass (at the right moment..) while flirting, because saying that would make her look "slutty".

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                "reality of the difficulties and complications of arousing female attraction." This makes it seem difficult. Just be attractive, women are shallow.

                [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 0 points1 point  (7 children)

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                It takes a little more than that, surprisingly. Looks only work for immediate attraction, but it's not enough to consistently close.

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                I disagree completely. I agree with every part of the redpill theory except for this. I would have thought the redpill would accept that women are extremely shallow, and that the only way to get around bad looks is to have money or status.

                [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 0 points1 point  (5 children)

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                Let me tell you, I wish it were that simple. I'm an attractive guy, never had a shortage of female attention. However, up until my mid-20's I was more blue than papa smurfs balls. Girls would talk to me, but then lose interest very quickly. When I did successfully get a girl to go out with me, she'd eventually end up getting bored and/or cheating. Didn't lose my virginity until I was 21.

                You need game. Game without looks is harder, but doable. Game with looks is the killer. I'm 32 now, it's much easier to get laid now that I know this.

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                WHats your definition of an attractive guy? I have no game, I've never had game, because I was 5' 2 and 100 lbs all through high school, so I just gave up on talking to girls. After I graduated HS and started working out, I got up to 6' 175. I get laid all the time now, but I still have no game. I have even had girls tell me that I have absolutely no game, but that they don't really care about game if its a really attractive guy. I think if you are just above average looks, you need game, but if a girl finds you to be extremely attractive, you can pretty much say whatever you want.

                [–]Frensel 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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                Working out made you six feet tall... Sounds legit as fuck.

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                Growing made me 6' tall.

                [–]Frensel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                I was 5' 2 and 100 lbs all through high school

                "All through high school" = until you were 17 or 18. You didn't grow ten inches since then.

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                I was 5'2 when I graduated high school. I am now 6', so yes, I did.

                [–]mheyk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                I never got the advice from a woman that you should definatly pump and dump that bitch

                [–]19 Endorsed Contributordrrrrrr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                This classic roosh post that explains the 3 levels of how qualified someone is to give their opinion on any matter is golden. http://www.rooshv.com/never-listen-to-a-woman

                I'm not a huge roosh fan but this was probably one of the most spot-on posts I've ever seen. Female opinions and advice always comes from a place of wanting the validation of appearing more knowledgable and competent than they are. For example, a female who has learned nothing in college doing her sociology degree will love to opine as if she is an expert in male-female interaction, because she wants her life choices to be validated. If her beta orbiters nod and say "OMG so true" when she says that guys should supplicate to women, she gets to think "ooh I'm so smart."

                [–]PerniciousOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                It is simple, when a girl starts offering me some advice about picking up women I ask her "how many women has she picked up and dated?" This usually shuts them up.

                When fishing you do not ask the fish what kind of lure they like, you ask the master angler who won competitions.

                [–]trembley3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Great post!

                The only question I have is do we (men) fall into the same trap of not necessarily knowing what we want in a girl?

                Obviously this isn't very relevant to hook-ups or casual relationships, but definitely relevant for long term or serious relationship potential.

                I wonder mostly because in the past 2 years being single I'm still discovering new traits I like in women, and finding new ones I don't, all while confirming ones I already know I like.

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                Once I saw an article on here that mentioned a woman's most desirable traits physically being mostly due to the genetic lottery. I think bearing that in mind is important when receiving advice from them. Whereas the FIRST piece of advice we give is to start lifting and improve our physical appearance, a girl will consider those qualities basically unchangeable to a degree within themselves.

                [–]Dishmayhem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                They tell men "just be yourself" because they don't want us affecting our own attractiveness. They want all the power of seduction for themselves.