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[–]CornyHoosier 47 points48 points  (0 children)

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I honestly became sad while reading the comic you posted OP. I was literally like that guy for most of my life. It makes me want to shake the hell out of any men like him.

I agree, there is absolutely no obligation for any person to have to date someone. That said, the guy has been told since birth that being nice, being non-judgmental, taking interest in a woman's personal life and even putting someone else's interest in front of their own is what they MUST do to be an attractive mate to women.

I believe what I've learned and what TRP tries to get men to understand is that those are not the qualities that attract women. Those are good qualities to have in humans in general ... but they are not what makes a woman interested in a man. Men get hurt and angry for being put in the "friend zone" because in their minds they are following the "rules" they've been told too, and it just doesn't seem to work for them.

I was a virgin until I was 24. Why? Because I was (and am) a nice guy who thought all it took to attract women was to be a nice guy. Once I started thinking less about others and more about improving myself, I became a much more attractive mate to women. Not to toot my own horn, but I have no problem attracting women at all now.

Logically, women should love betas, because betas are selfless. However, women love alphas because alphas have something to offer.

[–]FortunateBum 56 points57 points  (19 children)

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Oh God, great post.

Women don't get all worked up about anything guys talk about more than this "nice guy" stuff. Why? Because they want guys to continue acting like chumps. Obvious.

How many stories have we read written by women about rejecting "nice guys" who subsequently end the friendship? The women usually go on to criticize, shame, and complain about that guy. Shit, he was never a "friend" and these women are completely delusional in thinking that he ever was.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 16 points17 points  (18 children)

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If I am friends with a female, you can damn sure bet I am fucking her, or she wants to fuck me. There is no time in my life for platonic females.

[–]Wiskie 44 points45 points  (12 children)

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Is it wrong that I disagree? I have girls that I am not in any way sexually attracted to, but they are still "useful" to me.

At the very least they introduce me to other women.

[–]calantus 21 points22 points  (1 child)

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Nope, you aren't wrong.

[–]charlesbukowksi 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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both approaches are valid. personally i can't stand platonic relationships with women but to each his own

[–]still_very_alive 16 points17 points  (5 children)

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Not in the least. One of my peeves with TRP (though in vengefully's case I understand why he'd feel that way) - there's no problem with female friends who are actually friends. No need to lose out on other benefits of friendship just because sex isn't one of them. Just go game someone else.

[–]The_Floating_Dick 5 points6 points  (4 children)

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there's no problem with female friends who are actually friends

Ok, let's just use your relationship with your male buddies to define the applicability of term "friends" in this context(as opposed to fuck-buddies or LTR).

  1. You don't have even slightest sexual interest. I mean she gets naked, throws herself at you, begs to suck your cock, but you refuse. Personally for me it would be impossible as long as the person is both not disgusting and female.

  2. She doesn't have sexual interest in you either. She feels your frame, sees your success with other women, but preselection fails and she still isn't attracted to you. Alternative scenario - she realizes you're weak, sees your failure with other women, but doesn't despise you.

  3. You don't have anything to gain from each other - each other's company is enough for both of you.

It sounds highly unlikely, that you can check all three. And if attraction is present - it will be a factor in your relationship, thus it's not frienship anymore.

Also, I am not really sure about women's ability to be friends with anyone the same way we guys define it.

[–]toreno92 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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Thank you for your post - I'm in the process of cutting ties with some female friends I've been orbiting for years now. It never occurred to me how beta I was until I stumbled upon TRP; she recently wanted to call me up and whine about the fourth guy in a row she's dated that has fucked her over... fuck that for a game of darts.

I think you're right, it seems you can't truly be platonic friends with someone you're sexually attracted to, without some messy emotions and feelings flying everywhere.

[–]still_very_alive 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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Varies from case to case, sure. Part of what we're doing here is trying to work out which female friends you should keep, and which you should drop to the curb.

[–]The_Floating_Dick 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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Part of what we're doing here is trying to work out which female friends you should keep, and which you should drop to the curb.

No, of course, if you find a female useful or interesting - you can act as if you are friends. I was just arguing the near-impossibility of hypothetically pure male-female friendship.

[–]still_very_alive 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Fair enough. I know I treat my female friends differently, despite what I have to say on the subject.

[–]netgrey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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If you can do it great, there are some of us who did this for so long that even having one chick friend is like an alcoholic having just one drink.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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I think there is a difference between the normal friendship when you just occasionally hang out with a gal who has a good sense of humor, is a good conversationalist, and it's fun time for you, and the kind of "friendship" where she uses you as an emotional tampon, while you secretly hope you will earn her love one day.

I mean in the normal decent kind of friendship 50% of the time at least the girl talks about stuff the boy is actually interested in. That is basically an equal situation. When she just talks about her problems it is not an equal situatio.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Of course, but they aren't what I would call friends.

[–]MasterGoshinki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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introduce me to other women

that's a solid point, I need to remember that

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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I'd say there is friendship, and then there is "friendship".

Friendship is an equal thing, when you talk about stuff you both are interested in and find funny or otherwise interesting. In a normal friendship there are girls making jokes, tell funny stories, and suchlike. It's mutual.

And then there is the emotional tampon kind of "friendship" where it is just she complaining all the time and the boy being sympathetic.

[–]Cask_Strength_Islay 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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As Patrice said, don't be a time ho. Friendship ≠ time ho.

[–]ClosetRedPiller 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I have a bunch of female friends. I've fucked a few of them then later decided I didn't want to do that anymore. Most of them are lesbians too.

They're good to have around as wing girls at least. Other chicks see you out with some hot lesbian, they notice way more than when I'm out alone.

[–]Namerali 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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Yes and no. I'm going to agree that having any platonic relationships with women is fucking lame.

But, as one of the posters noted below, you can 'use' you friends. Couple of years ago I got a pretty boss job through one of my former lady friends. She was fuck ugly but at least she was good for something. :)

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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That would be an acquaintance, someone you know. Friends are more than that, you can count on them. Best friends help you move a body.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (25 children)

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Too bad I haven't saved some posts.

There were some "I followed RP principles but now I'm sorry" confession threads on TBP. The comments were pure gold. The usual contributors and commenters were basically telling OP things like "yeah it will get you laid and some stuff will work but do you really want to be that shitty to someone". Basically aknowledging that TRP is not bad because it's nonsense, it's bad because it makes them feel bad.

EDIT: Found a shitty one bookmarked

[–]fihsined 65 points66 points  (6 children)

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this guy doesn't even fucking GET the red pill man, he didn't swallow jack shit but some red pill placebos. Red pill is about going after what YOU want in women, and what YOU want in life. Not about "banging whores and dumping them" as he said. It just so happens that most people here want to spin plates, bang whores, and bail - at least at the start. If you want true intimacy and feel guilty when you dump a bitch, FUCKING DO IT. If you wanna unicorn hunt, DO IT. If you wanna spin plates, DO IT! Fuck man that infuriates me.

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    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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    Reddit = young American white male college students. Pretty much everybody in that demographic looks for pumps and dumps, the difference is the Red Pillers are actually succeeding.

    There are men with entirely different goals, for example I am husband and soon dad in Central Europe. Red Pill again means actually being good at it, in a very different goal.

    [–]adamlikesprettygirls 6 points7 points  (3 children)

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    wisdoms

    [–]fihsined 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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    thx. still relatively new here (5 or 6 months) but i'm in love with the forum and this place has kept me alive.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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    Weird you say that. Even when I was young and terribly depressed I did not think of suicide as I felt my life does not belong to me but to my parents who made it and would be ruined without me.

    [–]fihsined 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    i don't have that type of relationship with my parents

    [–]ajswdf 23 points24 points  (0 children)

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    I love those kinds of comments. First of all, they admit that it works. But more importantly, it shows the incredible lack of sympathy they have for incels. They tell them to stop complaining, they don't deserve sex. Then when the incel finds something that can finally get them laid, these people tell them that that's not what they really want.

    [–]arinot 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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    If you ever want to have a relationship, to make a connection with someone, TRP's advice is toxic

    Ehhhh... They're not exactly wrong. Often times when a person here expresses interest in things other than plate spinning (eg: LTRs and what not), there's always a number of people stating that it's stupid to be doing so, (let alone with some mention marriage)

    Then again, if you think some people's perspective with this information represents the perspectives of all of us, then he didn't really get it. You know, considering that the Red Pill is only information and it's up to the swallower to determine what to do with it...

    Then again, this TOO is an opinion.

    It is not healthy to be the man who torments her, but nor is it healthy to be the shoulder to cry on in the hopes that she'll pick you.

    While such tormenting does appear to work in some cases (eg: number of abused women who stick with their abuser), I don't really think the things here are abuse. At worst, I guess the popular opinion is to keep women at arms length due to 'untrustworthiness' that come from hypergamy (which is often repeatedly stated to not be bad).

    [–]The_CEO_of_Beta 18 points19 points  (1 child)

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    It's completely asinine that all these "guys" are coming out of the woodwork and start apologizing for the Red Pill.

    Apologizing for the Red Pill is like gathering all the kids into a gymnasium and apologizing for mathematics.

    They just don't fucking get it. The Red Pill is a body of knowledge, not a movement like National Socialism. If you shut down this sub-reddit and jailed every red pill member, you would still have red pill ideas emerging and being developed on their own. It's like that scene from Fantasia, chop down one broom and all you do is make two brooms.

    [–]rocsNaviars 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    somedickcream-

    I clicked on your shitty bookmark and the banner ad at the top was the most relevant banner ad I had ever seen, so I had to share-

    http://imgur.com/uw7MhiE

    The guy's face is hilarious. It's like a casual "Here we go again.." face, like they are aiming to depict a man that has been cheated on multiple times and is getting frustrated.

    Chiming in on the discussion, the OP was not able to handle reality. TRP helps me to brush off the programmed "angel on my shoulder" habits that are inherently unattractive, and understand the reality of the natural dynamics between genders. Another huge benefit that I've experienced is that using primal instinct just feels much more comfortable than acting by what I've been taught was the social norm or the right thing to do. I'm starting to act like a man and owning it. Thanks TRP.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (11 children)

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    What is the purple pill?

    [–]heist_of_saint_graft 36 points37 points  (2 children)

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    A way for men afraid to swallow the Red Pill to talk through their anxieties in a socially sanctioned space, and a way for women who are afraid of the Red Pill's truthfulness to obfuscate its reality.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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    Beautiful. An up-vote is not enough for this perfectly succinct comment. You have cut to the heart of the issue.

    [–]1wiseclockcounter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    http://i.imgur.com/ZhBLM5f.gif (took way too long to make this, haha)

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger 9 points10 points  (4 children)

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    The purple pill is just another anti-Red Pill site. Unlike the blue pill, instead of just cherry-picking stupid comments and making absurd fun of what uninformed people think The Red Pill advocates and some of the more extreme idiots around here, the purple pill sub focuses on the same general group of people hoping to disprove TRP via text logic.

    Essentially, things like, "You can't say this thing works or this thing is true despite the fact that it's worked for you 99% of the time, because you aren't citing any credible sources or scientific articles that prove your point!" And every time some Red Pill advocate makes any kind of remark about anything, however trivial, some counter-argument normally goes "But Red Pill also says this other thing that sucks! Red Pill therefore sucks as a whole!" or "One time this other Red Pill person said this stupid thing, which proves you wrong!"

    Then, people systematically go through and downvote every Red Pill comment and upvote every anti-Red Pill comment, thinking that the world will change if everybody recognizes that public opinion sides against TRP and TRP is a minority in the world. Like we didn't know that already. If you check out the purple pill people, make sure you're doing it for the right reasons - fun. Don't go in hoping to actually change hearts and minds or convince anybody of anything. It's not an appropriate venue to try to prove to the world that the "real" Red Pill is "moderate" and all about "self-improvement." Everybody knows that already, but nobody wants to hear it, because the other stuff around here, however true it may be, is uncomfortable for most people.

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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    The purple pill is just another anti-Red Pill site.

    Yeah. I checked it out once, and it struck me as a pointless place to spend my time.

    There's no point in pre-emptively defending Red Pill principles, or reaching out to protect something that isn't even technically a movement.

    I'd rather be here, and on /r/asktrp, giving advice to people who have come looking for it.

    [–]redpillhead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    I post there and I like it because it helps me to iron out my own thought processes. But your description is still spot on.

    [–]1wiseclockcounter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    hm, this makes me think, I once found myself criticizing a feminist for thinking in ways similar to some radfems in support of male genocide etc, saying that feminism needs to "own their shit" as Karen Staughan says in this video with respect to realizing they've created a monster that ultimately pollutes everyone's way of thinking. Her response was that I wasn't accurately representing Feminism (that it's all about equality) and that I was marginalizing that message by pointing to extremists who don't represent "true" feminism.

    Are the same dynamics at play for the RP mindset? How does this community address the people who take it to an extreme? And what does it say about someone's right to criticize feminism in light of radfems?

    [–]autoNFA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    It's a good place to sharpen your rhetorical skills for those times when you really need to convince someone - like your friend who has almost taken the pill but starts hesitating.

    [–]PlanB_pedofile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    while comments below vary, I used to think purple pill are those with alpha potential but stuck in beta conditioning, or someone with beta disposition but has alpha moments.

    [–]KJL13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    A combination of red pill and blue pill.

    [–]st4rcrafty -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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    omg...please find links!!

    [–]The_CEO_of_Beta 53 points54 points  (4 children)

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    These people don't even know where the term "Nice Guy" comes from.

    The term, "NICE GUY" comes from when a girl rejects a guy and says, "Well, you're a nice guy, but..."

    They act like we label ourselves, "Nice Guy". They act like we're just pretending to be nice but are actually these evil manipulating men who mislead them with friendship for sex. "Oh you call yourself a nice guy? but you're expecting sex for nice things! YOU'RE NOT A NICE GUY LIKE YOU SAY YOU ARE!!!"

    No, your typical nice guy is a guy who grows up being told that to find love and build a loving relationship, you have to act nice, be respectful, be caring, and be there for her. We're told that friendships must first develop before they upgrade to relationships. That's how it always works right? Guy meets girl, they work together on a goal, then they fall in love?

    We're told that pickup techniques never work. We're told that saying things like, "Hey girl, you got nice tits, fancy a fuck?" would never work and instead you must be kind and build trust to get them to like you.

    • We're told to never make a move and wait for her to let you know when she's ready.

    • We're told that girls don't like guys they don't know, so we let them get to know us.

    • We're told to be patient, to not force girls to be uncomfortable, and she'll let you know if she likes you or not.

    • We're told that girls are super attracted to kindness and sensitivity, not muscles and asshole behaviors.

    We have a severe disconnect in communication. Because we are told that women like "nice guys", we think we're making progress when they keep telling us, "Oh you're such a wonderful man, oh you are such a great person, wow you're such a nice guy, don't you ever change, you're such a sweet person" and we believe that they're becoming more attracted to us.

    The truth is that we guys aren't told that women do not express attraction with words. They express attraction with touch. If she tells you that you're a great guy but won't touch your shoulder, she's not attracted to you. If she calls you a motherfucking asshole douchebag scumbag cuntsludge faggotdick while she's holding your arm, she's attracted to you.

    That's how naive stupid men like us get lead on. Do you know why guys "guilt trip?"? We're not demanding you give us sex for our nice guy things, we're asking why you would say we are great nice guys for doing great nice guy things yet it doesn't make you like us more. That's the message that nobody is getting, that why there's a tremendous disconnect between what girls say attracts them and what girl really are attracted to. Instead of hearing us out they reframe us as wolves in sheeps clothing trying to trick them and emotionally abuse them into sex, which is a great way to derail any conversation about it without ever answering the question.


    Alright I'm calming down. This is a sincere message to all feminists, girls who hate "Nice Guys", and the white knights who also shame them.

    We nice guys genuinely like the girl that they want to ask out on a date. The reason why we act like "Nice Guys" is because we don't know any better on how to attract you, so we do what are we told, to act nice and be ourselves. It's like being told that in case of a nuclear holocaust to duck and roll. When that doesn't work, we feel nothing but frustration that what we've been told works, doesn't work.

    We nice guys get shamed and ridiculed the fuck out of us for "pretending to be friends", but we are never given any help or solutions to our problems. We feel nothing but betrayal. The only logical solution is to try something different. You can't laugh at us for trying something that doesn't work, and then get angry at us for trying something different. If you are truly emphatic to the guy you friendzoned, if you are truly a friend of the guy, then you wouldn't shame him into staying by your side, you would just let him go. Let him go find the love that he thought he could find in you.

    [–]Murasa 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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    Beautiful, man. Simply fantastic.

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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    No, your typical nice guy is a guy who grows up being told that to find love and build a loving relationship, you have to act nice, be respectful, be caring, and be there for her.

    This is largely because how the fuck do you educate a 13 or 15 years old boy to be Red Pill? You can't tell them to go on nailing pussy. In many places that would be hitting age of consent problems, and even when not it is just a bit too early anyway. Especially if you have both a daughter and a son and of course you don't want your daughter lose her virginity at 15, so obviously you cannot tell your son to go on nailing other 15 years old girls, this would be a glaring double standard and would not work, the hypocrisy would be very clear.

    So what do parents teach their sons at 13 or 15? Go find a GF, find love, romance, and maybe sex comes later.

    WE TEACH YOUNG BOYS TO BE NICE GUYS BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO YOUNG TO BE "CADS" SPINNING PLATES.

    Add it to the fact that many older dads have fuck all for social life or male friendships. Maybe some one on one friendships but not the don't hang out with a "gang" as much as 15 years old boys do. Older dad wants to go to a restaurant? Takes his wife and no one else. Wants to travel? Takes wife and no one else. Needs a tennis partner? Encourages wife to learn tennis.

    So you have your shut-in, omega, introverted, geeky, nerdy 15 years old boy who does not have a "gang", not much social life. He will look at dad and see that a relationship can replace your social life. He wants to have a relationshop to fix up his life.

    Oh and he feels very inferior for not having much of a social life. But he can see on dad that having a partner makes others respect you. I mean if a new neighbor moves in, a 40 years old guy, if he moves with wife and kids other men instantly respect him. Not if he is lonely. So he thinks a relationship will fix his self esteem issues.

    So this is our basic problem. One side is we cannot teach boys to be RP because just how would a 15 years old boy be Roosh? So we teach them to be romantic.

    The other side is that looking at people 40, 50 years old, who have no one but a wife and kids, the boy derives that a relationship fixes both the lack of your social life and your self-esteem. This is not even 100% wrong. You can be full on omega and suffer for decades but at 40 years a beta marriage can sort of make your life better, gain you a bit more social options and respect. But it is just not a good strategy for a young one.

    [–]Human_v2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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    My Dad gave me some great advice when I left university and started my first job:

    1. Keep control of your emotions, feel them but choose what you show on your face.

    2. Believe in yourself, even when other people don't believe in you.

    3. Don't let people walk over you, respect yourself and command respect from others.

    You don't have to teach kids to go around fucking chicks but these morsels of advice can be taught at any age and [imo] are very valuable.

    [–]mydoucheaccount 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    Listen to the CEO, he knows his stuff....

    signed, a motherfucking asshole douchebag scumbag cuntsludge faggotdick

    [–]Endorsed Contributorwhiskey_bearfist 99 points100 points  (8 children)

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    its satisfying when a self proclaimed feminist agrees with everything i say about gender dynamics, so long as i phrase it in way that doesnt set off her alarms.

    also when they text things like 'i want you to rape my ass.' bluepill boys have no idea how fucked up and dirty the sluts they worship are.

    [–]roue_ 20 points21 points  (0 children)

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    The males in TBP are quite pathetic. I bet they think they have some sought of moral high ground over us because they worship women. Your niceness over the internet isn't gonna get you laid.

    [–]1FloranHunter 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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    They pattern match for "misogyny" because it doesn't really relate to reality the way they pretend it does. If they actually knew what misogyny looked like then they could tell its presence regardless of how you phrase it.

    In other words, they're stupid.

    [–]st4rcrafty 38 points39 points  (3 children)

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    bluepill boys have no idea how fucked up and dirty the sluts they worship are.

    Cognitive dissonance at it's finest...I wonder what percentage of TBP subscribers are male? As much as I don't wanna believe it, I bet a decent chunk of them are. Betais maximus. My take on the way they see women has a few theories...

    1. They just believe everything that comes out of every sluts mouth, and actually don't think they're whores, when we all know they are.

    2. They acknowledge the slutty things that these womyns do, and don't dare say anything, or criticize because that would be "slut shaming".

    3. They understand that their precious womyns do slutty shit, but then let their hamstering affect their view on them. Basically, the hamstering extends to the BP male himself. This is sort of tied into the first point I guess.

    Also, the term "slut shaming" is so dumb, lol...the very term slut is a negative word...so wouldn't they want to just replace it with something else...maybe promiscuity shaming? Sounds a lot more...informed.

    [–]1FloranHunter 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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    Other people's rationalization causing you to rationalize is an example of (the lack of) frame, no?

    [–]st4rcrafty 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    Yes i would agree.

    [–]still_very_alive 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    I wonder what percentage of TBP subscribers are male?

    Last survey I saw put it at 50% female, 46% male, 4% others. Interestingly, it means the percentage of females on TBP actually exceeds SRS by a significant margin. Hmm...

    [–]TheeRyanGrey 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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    the more feminist the woman, the nastier she is.

    oh that battle between body and mind it gets me anal every time

    [–]heist_of_saint_graft 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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    bluepill boys have no idea how fucked up and dirty the sluts they worship are.

    Oh, to be sure. My serious recommendation to any straight male is to sleep with 100 women, then weigh in. No amount of theorizing or brainwashing can supplant the rich picture of women's emotions, sexuality, psyche and cunning that that level of field work paints.

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 22 points23 points  (1 child)

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    Their beliefs do not oppose TRP. Their beliefs reaffirm TRP in every way, and it infuriates them.

    Absolutely. And it's also why feminist demonstrations choose the targets that they do.

    Feminists KNOW that kino works. They KNOW that women need a man to show them what they want. They KNOW that women cannot explicitly consent to sex without losing attraction for the man foolish enough to ask.

    And they KNOW that the moment a woman has sex with a man, she becomes his slave. Her emotions render her beholden to him. She becomes stupid for him, and loses her one bargaining chip.

    That's why feminists cry "rape" and "creepy" about effective sexual tactics. Because if enough guys figure out the truth about female sexual attraction triggers, the gig is up. Women lose all of the power they've spent the last eighty years slowly shaming us into handing over.

    [–]The_Floating_Dick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    Because if enough guys figure out the truth about female sexual attraction triggers, the gig is up. Women lose all of the power they've spent the last eighty years slowly shaming us into handing over.

    And it would be beautiful. A powerful woman, a woman with bloated dignity, a woman with ego is fucking unattractive.

    You can often hear "well, we're not equal, because we're different. Women are better at one things, and men are better at the others". And I agree with that. So why the fuck do you ladies try to outman the men instead of trying to be a better woman?

    Well fuck, a feminine, obedient girl is far more likely to manipulate me and subtly get me to do what she wants, than dignified empowered businesswoman trying to dominate in a manly manner.

    [–]zSantanA 18 points19 points  (12 children)

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    It's funny because the chick in the comic actually revealed the true thought-process that goes on in their brains.

    "You dont get fucking brownie points for not raping me"

    Don't save these hoes fellas. She wont thank you and she definitely wont fuck you for it.

    [–]rule_of_law 8 points9 points  (11 children)

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    You don't get fucking brownie points for not raping me

    Ok. Fair enough. What do men get brownie points for? Making a scene at the bar? Treating other men like shit? Being an asshole in general?

    But fine. You've made the point, that being a decent human being will get you no where. All men can remember that when faced with a decision to be nice or not. Zero rewards for being nice.

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      Well if I'm not being rewarded for being nice, then fuck it I'll do whatever is best for me. That's how most people work. They make decisions based on incentives. Right now the incentives are perverse.

      [–]StoicGentleman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      There you go! You have now swallowed the red pill.

      [–]1wiseclockcounter 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      i think he's saying being nice is it's own reward. (and does the phrase "being nice" really qualify here? we're talking about raping passed out drunk girls!) If fucking some limp passed out cunt is really a reward for you, that's pretty sad. I'm trying to count on that not being what you meant. Most people make decisions based on conscience, you know for the times when an incentive doesn't support your moral code.

      [–]autoNFA 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      "Being nice" was in the context of not making a scene at the bar or being an asshole in general, not in the context of not raping an unconscious girl.

      [–]The_Floating_Dick 0 points1 point  (5 children)

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      You're free (and encouraged) to be a decent human being wherever you see fit

      Come on, "decent human being" nowadays became almost the same thing as "a gentleman". It's the tool to let somebody else influence your values. Some desirable attributes are assigned to this mystical "gentleman"/"decent human being" and then you are accused of not acting like one if a woman needs you to act certain way.

      There is no universal "decency". Somebody might define "decent human being" as a person, who is nice to be around, and that would be precisely true usage. "Be a decent person" = "Be pleasant" = "Act like I'd like you to act"="Sacrifice your interests for mine"

      And if there was some reward for it - no problem, I'd accept that reward as payment for going against my interests. But there is no fucking payment with other fucking human beings! Instead of getting decent treatment in return, nice guys get ridden on. You can't spend your karma points in real life!

      'Good' actions bring adequate rate of return only if you act from the position of power. Otherwise, my decency is being honest with myself, living by my principles and never compromising them. Somebody else perceives decency otherwise - fuck somebody else! I can act nicely, but only if I want to - only if my brain produces some dopamine as a reward for helping you.

      If I live by my principles - I will perceive myself as a decent person. And that is the guy, whose opinion I care about the most.

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        I didn't really oppose anything you said, I just hooked to your opinion to express mine. Never mind the phrasing - I do agree with what you said. I simply felt like developing an idea in an angry tone.

        [–]ajswdf 20 points21 points  (4 children)

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        Imagine this comic, but instead of a girl friendzoning a nice guy, it's an attractive guy rejecting a Fat Acceptance girl. When guys complain about not getting laid, they need to shut up an stop thinking they deserve sex. When a girl complains about not getting laid, it's societies fault for shaming her.

        [–]1wiseclockcounter 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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        I'll draw it if someone wants to script it out.

        [–]kilik2049 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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        If I knew how to do a script, I'll do it, because I really want to see this comic.

        [–]1wiseclockcounter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        haha, yea, i mean I can certainly draw it, i just figured someone here might have more pointed words to offer.

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        That attractive guy has obviously been indoctrinated by patriarchy to only be attracted to women who have been fooled by misogynist media to mentally and physically torture themselves in the gym and in the kitchen.

        [–]Captain_of_the_ship 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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        I actually think they just enjoy having a laugh at some of the more ridiculous things this sub comes up with.

        There are plenty of people out there having successful relationships and enjoyable sexual interactions without having to go redpill and to them, there's plenty to laugh at here.

        From the outside, this sub can appear pretty humorless, bitter and some posts are pretty ridiculous. Guys obsessing over whether opening car doors for a woman is beta, or following their gf in the supermarket, or that current post about the perfect society.

        To people who are just enjoying their lives, are happy and healthy, fucking each other without having to worry about the power dynamics inherent in every situation, this sub can be pretty ridiculous in its social awkwardness and tendency to play the 'woe is me, fuck all bitches ' card. Redpill does not have a monopoly on happiness and it is amusing to read the anguished, earnest, desperate posts here full of false bravado and insecurity.

        When your life is going great and your sexual strategy is working without swallowing the redpill and all that it implies, some of this shit is pretty funny .

        [–]Doctor_Mayhem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Heh... You know, your post actually gave me a chuckle. It made me think of where I'd be if I had actually been more of a scumbag when I was 18, and gone after this girl I used to know, who was 14 at the time. Even after 2 kids and fucking up her life, she's still not bad-looking. Anyways, if I had pursued, I probably would've ended up married, re-enlisted (Because I would've got her preggers and kids ain't cheap) and be white knighting against TRP because... well... I'd have a pretty ideal life.

        Of course, like I said, if I had only been just slightly more of a scumbag... That would've meant taking the red pill completely (I was kinda almost RP by 18, but had no support group like this sub).

        [–]heist_of_saint_graft 19 points20 points  (2 children)

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        TheBluePill is sad. I mean sad in the way that a college improv troupe playing to a laughless crowd at the student union is sad. It's just not funny at all.

        They don't offer any counterarguments, only name-calling. And if their goal is to weaken our cause, they're failing. I personally love to troll people I don't respect. The fact that TheRedPill comes with our own coat-tail riding fan club was one of the reasons I started posting here after lurking for awhile. I wanted to see how long it took to get mentioned or quoted in a BP thread. Within a week I was quoted in the title of one. NARCISSISM WIN.

        [–]roue_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        So true. The best drinking game you can have is going through thebluepill and drinking every time you read neck beard. You would be wasted in seconds. They seem to think calling us fat, unnatractive males who do nothing with their time = hurting our feels. If anything their disdain for neck beards prove red pill theory. Women hate people who have a low smv.

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        Frankly speaking, I think BluePillers are much worse, than your average niceguy or fedora whiteknight.

        Those guys - they just don't know any better. If they hear something about redpill - it's probably such wild misrepresentation, that it's hard for them not to hop on a bandwagon.

        Male BluePillers on the other hand deserve their life. "Society" or upbringing isn't responsible for it - it's their own fucking fault. ANY man with residual amount of analytical skills and miniscule experience of man-female interactions can notice how spot on RP's observation are.. if he wants to.

        But they don't. Deep inside they all know the truth. But they make themselves believe the opposite - to not cause any conflict with "the society". They know the truth, but choose to believe the comfortable, pleasant lie. Classic fucking doublethink.

        And they probably don't even realize how spot on they are with The Blue Pill name. They do exatly what Cypher did in Matrix. Why bother with all that fighting, eating crappy food, wearing clothes with holes and seeing your friends die, if you can relax, bite into a delicious steak, and pretend that you don't know it's not real.

        [–]AveofSpades 23 points24 points  (3 children)

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        Ha. I love the Blue Pill as well, more pussy for us.

        other words, weak, effeminate, supplicating, and directionless. Every single thing that we maintain on this sub as being unattractive to women. So if this ideal is so hostile to feminism and gender equality, why is The Blue Pill upvoting, to their front page no less, that treating women you are interested in in the way society teaches is respectful, is wrong?

        Because they're eagerly awaiting their unicorn as they've been promised by Disney and every shitty sitcom and romcom ever made.

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        They don't realize it is a unicorn. 'Nice Guys' have been told that women love them and the knights in shining armor who save them from the evil doers out there taking advantage of them. It's not just women telling guys this, it's in like every show/movie ever. Only the reality is that while Duke is trying to save the world Scarlett is out fucking Destro behind his back (and Cobra commander and Zoltan and...).

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        Ha. I love the Blue Pill as well, more pussy for us.

        realistically, womens lib has ensured that there is more than enough pussy for all of us. it would take a LOT of people going over to rp before we saw any real reduction in the supply.

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        Disney and RomComs yes, sitcoms? I don't think so. Every sitcom male runs the same gag. They step out of their expected beta role at the beginning and the entire episode is about them struggling against being put back into it. Which they fail at because they lack the skills needed.

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          [–]widec 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          The red pill has nothing to do with anything other than sexual relations between men and women. Period. Some here may disagree.

          I disagree. There's definitely a huge emphasis on it, it's the main premise of the subreddit. But there's also threads about being a better person and looking out for your own needs as a priority. Personally, these have been more helpful for me than any talk about interacting with women, it's given me a new found confidence.

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          The red pill has nothing to do with anything other than sexual relations between men and women. Period.

          Not true. It is a whole lot deeper. For example from their viewpoint power, privilege, is something automatically wrong. From the RP perspective the desire for power is the very thing that defines a man, as opposed to a male.

          To me RP is the much needed Anti-Foucault philosophy.

          [–]BruceIsTheBatman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          This is an opportunity that a lot of men/RP are missing. This probably won't work in real life (meaning face to face discussion) because it will require the guy to appear beta, but it can be anonymously through the internet. This also applies to other minority plights, many of them bemoaning the privilege white males have which they do not.

          Instead of focusing on their own hurt, they highlight their resentment toward the other party. They complain and attack moreso than focusing on how they personally are made to feel by said lack of privilege. Or, when they do bring up how it damages them, it is done in a way that is meant to make the other party feel guilty or ignorant. Instead of asking for compassion and understanding, they demand that you not be so blind and ignorant about your privilege. In this way, the issue moves away from the disadvantaged party and becomes all about how spoiled the advantaged party is, which leads to more resentment and helps no one.

          A lot of the red pill follows this model, mainly because most of it is about being strong and alpha, and getting women. It is rare that you see these guys just talk about their feelings and how what feminist minded women do is simply hurtful. But this sharing of weakness and feeling is probably seen as too feminine, which is too bad because I believe this approach is what will get women to listen, because women are naturally sensitive toward the weak (not sexually, I'm still talking about anon discussion). I think aiming to place men in this category WITHOUT insulting women will be effective. If you can get them to understand and sympathize with you, they will naturally become aware of the ignorance and dismissiveness they have displayed.

          That is my theory, at least.

          [–]Ryder_GSF4L 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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          You must love the blue pill and you must love feminism. We are all connected. Without them there is no us. Without betas there are no alphas. If everyone was an alpha male, then no one would be an alpha male. So you have to respect their place in society(while at the sametime doing everything you can to diminish their role/effect in this society).

          [–]sway_usa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          Prisoner's dilemma IRL

          [–]Nollie_flip 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          I saw this comic about a week ago, and it infuriated me, I couldn't believe someone overlooked all the points you just made when creating this, and for the past week I've been trying to organize my thoughts in such a way to turn this on it's head, and you've just done it for me. You took the words right out of my mouth and organized them in a way that even the stuck up people such as the creator of this comic can understand. Thank you for providing me with such a solid piece of reference material to go to in my arguments.

          [–]PerniciousOne 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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          Funny because they do not understand that men are socially conditioned to be nice guys, and they do not know how sexual dynamics work and think that being nice forever will lead to a relationship.

          Women are happy to get all the benefits out of a relationship (repair work, security, meals, entertainment) anything else except having to provide any reciprocal benefits to the man (sex), in their "friendship". As long as the guy is doing all the male benefits she is happy.

          [–]frazzleddd 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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          I love the bluepill because there isn't actually any supporting evidence for it. It's all hypothetical or anecdotal bullshit while they just make fun. They don't disprove shit. They just fling shit and call us baby killers that are equal to child molesters in how evil we are.

          [–]Namerali 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          Scream the loudest and those who agree will scream with you. No thought required; I call it the nuclear effect.

          [–]shadymilkman_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          That comic made my eyes bleed

          [–]Doctor_Mayhem 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          All of this. I used to be a nice guy, up until my big awakening via military service.

          It really is frustrating when you do everything right, everything she says she wants in a man, and you still get jack shit. Even worse, is when they shame you for wanting more, insisting that female friendship is some kind of goddamn prize. Yeah babe, not when it's a one-way street.

          Sorry bitch, but the real reason men hate being friends with you, is because you have nothing to offer as a friend, except for your parasitic selfishness.

          [–]Hexthorne 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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          There's a kernel of truth in there though, when the chick says,

          If you're only "nice" until you find out I don't want to fuck you, then I'm suddenly a bitch, you're not really nice.

          If you only do "nice" things so you can guilt a girl later when you ask her out, you aren't really nice.

          These guys don't even realize that they're just as inconsistent and weak-willed as the women they're after. I think there's actually an argument there that being the "nice guy" just to get in a girl's pants is a far more questionable form of manipulation than anything TRP advocates.

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          I don't understand why it's completely unacceptable for a guy to distance himself from a friend who he felt more for when she turns him down. I mean, saying "friendzone" in real life in this situation would be pretty fucking weak.. He doesn't even have to tell her "I want to keep distance" He can just keep himself busy with other shit and not have time for her to get over it.

          Just a difference in male v. female thinking I guess..

          [–]1FloranHunter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          I agree on all points.

          Women are right that it is wrng to be a Nice Guy. They are wrong to ascribe malicious intent. Nice Guys act exactly the way women tell them to. Few women have the empathy necessary to understand what their "advice" to men means.

          [–]da-way 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Brilliant submission. A very succinct analysis "Beauty and the Beta".

          [–]tsudonimh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          you don't get brownie points for not raping me!

          Absolutely true. 100% correct.

          I do note, however, that he could leave her drunk arse there, possibly to be pounded by a train - and get the same number of brownie points.

          Of course, the shaming would be deafening. You know, from all the strong, independent and powrful women out there aghast at the idea that a white knight didn't save a moron from her own stupidity.

          [–]billnye_theRPguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          Feminists often fight against apparent "slut shaming" where society shames women for following their "sexual desires" of fucking as many alpha men as possible, but they'll shame betas for having sexual desires themselves to keep them in line as orbiters.

          I can't even imagine the kind of hamstering it takes to rationalize this level of hypocrisy.

          [–]TheeRyanGrey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          I love the blue pill because it confirms our beliefs each and every time they post. It also confirms that blue pillers are just feminine men because they react EXACTLY the way women do:

          "Oh, I found something on the internet that bothers me, better spend all day talking about it and showing it to my friends because that's totally the way to do things!"

          If I came here and said "I am Jesus and am here to save the world through Reddit" would anyone take me seriously? Would there be subreddits dedicated solely to telling me I'm wrong? Of course not!

          We only show interest in things that have a factual basis in our world. Women and blue pillers are solipsistic and can't/won't dedicate time to anything outside of their own machinations. The second they created a blue pill reddit and populated it we won.

          They fight us for the same reason religious people get so angry when their religion is questioned:Insecurity. a significant part of them knows there's so truth in the opposition because they've felt it to. But if they acknowledge it then they've invalidated their entire lives up until that point and its scary trying new things or starting over.

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          Their beliefs reaffirm TRP in every way, and it infuriates them.

          To us it reaffirms the ideas. To them...well to them they have no clue what we know. Most of them just spout nonsense that has nothing to do with what we are doing and talking about.

          [–]st4rcrafty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Would someone explain to me the "ability toucan" thing?

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          I know the rule around here is just to lurk more if you have questions but I want answers sooner than later.

          Can men and women be friends?

          Can a man and woman in an LTR be friends? Can they not be friends?

          It seems to me trust is imperative in friendships but much more so in a partnership like a marriage so being friends with your other half is a top priority, right?

          [–]sheriffbigbywolf[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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          Can men and women be friends?

          How the fuck should I know? Yeah, I've had plenty of female friends. The only ones who stuck around long term were ones that I A) fucked or made out with at some point early on, B) wanted to fuck me but I never went there because I have standards, C) Were dating or married to my friends, D) were siblings of my housemates, or E) were friends from early childhood.

          Adolescence fucks up everything because it introduces hormones that make men horny 90% of the time and women horny like 10%.

          Most of my female friendships that came from hooking up early on or were developed through more solid circumstances like play dates when we were two years old, turned out great and are still kicking ass. On the other hand, the ones where the girl is all "OMG he's one of my really good fraaaands!" always turn out miserably, and the only people who don't think so are twenty years old. Even worse if it's the guy who says it. See sad redditor in comic.

          Can a man and woman in an LTR be friends? Can they not be friends?

          If you're asking about two people in a relationship, yeah. You can grow love from friendship or the other way around. I don't know how much this flushes with the rest of the guys on this sub, but I tend to think it is much more likely your relationship will fail if you don't also have a very strong bond of friendship as well. My parents do and have been together for 30+ years. I had this with my last GF who was a sweetheart and I was with for over six. Virgin when I met her, too. God damn I loved ploughing that.

          It seems to me trust is imperative in friendships but much more so in a partnership like a marriage so being friends with your other half is a top priority, right?

          I'd say between men, a friendship is a bond of loyalty and honor. Partnership isn't really the right word. It's more like brotherhood.

          [–]blazingblue16 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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          Women get reallly horny 1/28th of the time. Day 14th of their ovulation cycle. So it's more like 4%.

          Source : biology textbooks.

          [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          I like to drag the truth out of women, get them to admit the kid they are hiding, the carousel they been riding, their actual weight, and the fucked up shit they did then hamstered away. Once I find the extent of the bullshit, if they are not worth the effort I go blue pill on them rather than just ignore. I have enough problems with women I want nothing to do with chasing me around begging me to fuck them because I ignore and placate them.

          Nothing is more effective at keeping the 'recovering' away than kissing her ass, begging for pussy, and being sensitive. Took nearly three months for my roommates girlfriend to stop begging me to fuck her every time she looked at me.

          Yeah I like tbp because I can rid myself of baggage easily with zero effort and drama.

          [–]BruceIsTheBatman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          All I know is that I'm saddened by the loss of male friends who I actually really wanted to be friends with. I didn't look down on them as being pathetic or weak, or needed them for validation. I respected them for their intellect and thought they were great company, just wasn't sexually attracted to them. I don't expect guys who are attracted to a girl to remain friends if they get rejected, but it is at these moments that I truly wish I were a guy. Just so I could talk to them again.

          [–]GroverCleaverland 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Saw this on facebook and wanted to comment but didnt...as, in general, talking about red pill never does you any favors. Both people in the comics are misguided. The guy thinks that he can eventually squeeze out a romantic relationship from a girl who isnt interested. The girl that guys who she hangs out with are her "friends" and is really angry when she discovers that the actual value that most men place on her is her sexuality.

          [–]meowlolcats 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Damn kind of had an epiphany imagining what I would want to tell that nice guy in the comic:

          How successful would a girl be in getting what she wanted in a relationship if she was the "nice guy" and just did whatever the guy wanted and hoped that would make him like her? If he was your average guy and he found out that this girl would pretty much let him do whatever he wanted to her, he would be like holy shit, she's letting me take her clothes off on the first date? If I suggest it, she'll blow me and let me fuck her anywhere I want? This is AWESOME I AM A GOD! It might even last for a while while he became increasingly depraved, but his respect for her would rapidly decline. He would, well if he wasn't getting any sex, he would probably stick with her for a while, but if he had alternatives, he would probably switch to girls that put up more resistance.

          Meanwhile, how much of what the girl wanted in a relationship would she be getting? Nothing. She gave up all her bargaining chips, and in the war of the sexes, she lost, and ended up sad and alone.

          Now put the girl in the guy's position, and vice versa, and that's why nice guys finish last!

          [–]SuperNinKenDo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          God almighty, that fucking comic is awful, what is wrong with people, seriously?

          [–]st4rcrafty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          I dunno...when I browse shit like the blue pill, srs, or /politics, it's pretty infuriating. It's not good for my blood pressure!

          [–]AdmiralVonJackass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          That comic shows some dumb broad spouting off a bunch of hamstering bullshit which equates to: betas are pathetic, boring, asexual tampons that should know their place. She is actually right to be disgusted by such a non-masculine waste of space.

          At the end she meant to say McFlings not Taco Bell.

          [–]JudgeRedPill -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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          VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS NEVER FUNNY!!

          Oh wait. This is a comic where a subservient man gets taken advantage of by a woman then beaten into a pulp. Now it's hilarious. /s

          [–]Philosophic_fellatio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Well said!

          [–]Phlecks 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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          I'd just like to throw something out here.

          I read this sub from time to time, and some points are great, yeah. Others, not so much.

          I feel like there is a lot of black and white here on the sub, not much middle ground. As in, between you and the average bluepiller, there is nothing, and all of the bluepillers are all, no matter what, pussy shipped white-knighting fags or feminist cunts.

          The top comment alone brings out an example of a girl saying "rape me in the ass," and then painting her, and others, as a fucked up slut and that blue pillers still worship them.

          I'd like to shoot the shit around about that if anyone's interested.

          I casually read both subreddits.

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            [–]Phlecks 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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            I agree that the methods do work in theory (some execution I've seen/heard about leaves a bit to be desired). Being confident, teasing the girl, acting with a bit of authority, definitely puts you above the spectrum. However, you can't tell me that highly attractive women will always go for red pill methods and stay there. Red pill tactics do work, but won't for long. A smart girl does see through it, and won't be around forever to throw herself at the guy at the bar who didn't give her the attention she was expecting.

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              [–]Phlecks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              I think that's where a lot of confusion comes in. The misconception is that a lot of guys here stick with the red pill movement the whole time. Hell, I've seen people say that all women are inferior and sluts. I understand that guys here probably aren't sociopaths, but it's not a healthy attitude to have.

              [–]Uedukai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              "Just be yourself" = Reveal to her every mundane, boring, or unattractive side you have

              I see what you're alluding to, but it's a loose point. This is assuming that everyone that acts "themselves," are all the exact same boring person -- which is completely false. We are all different, and walk different paths.

              You're only the person you build yourself to be. If one leaves themselves boring, unattractive and mundane. People will view them as they are; JUST THAT. It is that person's own fault, or the fault of their generational figures in parenthood (philosophically speaking, there is no such thing as "fault," as the mental states we all live with, are a product of a past we had no control over)

              I'm exciting and awesome because I choose to be. I build upon myself, and become better. It is WHO I am.

              "Be Yourself" has always been a funny term to me, because it's how one in influenced, and what they choose to do, that creates their character. There is no real answer, or judgement call.

              [–]Ripsaw1990 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Quality post

              "The internet hate campaign by feminists against nice guys is a way of shaming weak beta males into continuing to orbit rather than seeking their own sexual and romantic interests."

              Such a sexy quote for any guy who is stuck in the nice guy mindset. Even to the layman this highlights how WE NEED TO BE SELFISH. Women are being selfish and its only fair that Men do as well. Once this is realized all the shaming from both sides is so trivial.

              [–]B-Shift_Black_Sheep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              If I had a quarter every time I saw a BPer post, "some of TRP's advice is actually decent...." $$$$

              [–]captainofmysol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              I think the nice guy is a reflection of the emotional manipulation that women themselves use! So when they see it, they think you are pulling the game that they themselves use....you know some women use false sweetness to get what they want, they see the nice guy as doing this.

              I also think that when you act weak, they see it as an opportunity to take advantage so that they can up their own value, when they reject you it probably really boosts their ego to know that they have the choice to reject a guy.

              [–]Kwizkey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              I cannot be friends with a girl, even if I'm not attracted to her. I have no time for the masses of drama and attention seeking they create.

              [–]SandtheB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              A very great post!!!! I love it I wish I could up vote it more!!! You are 100% right!!! It seems that feminists, don't understand how the different genders attract the opposite sex. But I went a different way on this one, I actually joined the seduction community rather then becoming a MRA. Thanks for the post! But this is one of the best post on the subject! but I think that the best video is Girl Writes What Here

              [–]leroyderpins 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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              This is bullshit

              [–]sheriffbigbywolf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              If it was, you wouldn't be so mad.

              [–]PlanB_pedofile 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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              it's that these guys genuinely believe this is the right way to treat women they like,

              This this,,, and more this! OH MY GOD I was one of those. While other guys constantly refferred to girls as cumdumpsters, sluts, bitches, hoebags, right to their faces, were getting laid BY THOSE VERY GIRLS!!

              While my time of prime has passed, I'm glad that the internet is available to the millennials so they can learn from this shit and not fuck up their teens and college years with missed opportunities.

              [–]PJisaSlave -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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              tell me more. Im fucking up my college years

              [–]PlanB_pedofile -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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              College casts off the old bullshit stigmas and reputations of highschool. Now is the absolute best time to live a 2nd personality, new looks, new fashion, new outlooks. If you were shy in HS, be outgoing in college. People still give 0 fucks no matter what age you are at.

              Women are now free from the overbearing babysitting of their parents and as such they tasted the excitement of disobedience as they stay over at a boy's dorm and engage in recreational sex without reprisal.

              IF currently having a steady GF, there's a shit ton more girls whom you're classing with. There's opportunities to hang with these girls too since it's not like you're going home to your parents and neither are they. If your current relationship isn't working out, jump ship! you're both young and shouldn't be thinking about stupid shit like marriage and settling down in your early 20's. Plus haven't you noticed all girls available?

              When you're 25, you'll have sexual value, when you are 30, you can still have sexual value, you don't need to treat this time as the only time in your life to settle. Only thing that ruins you when you get older is getting fat, eating like shit, having bad habits, and mismanaging your money on temporary or things with expiration dates.

              Keep studying this redpill stuff! seriously just try some of the stuff talked here and be amazed at how it works. Most important life lesson is learning how to give no fucks.

              Post college I signed up to become a nude model for figure drawing. It was $10 an hour which back then was pretty damn good compared to the $5.15 min wage back then. I've taken figure drawing as an art class so I know what it was all about.

              If you can stand there like Michelangelo's David for 3 hours with your dick hanging out in front of a class full of artsy women and wannabe artist (and getting paid!) is the ultimate transition to the not giving any fucks phase. Because lets face it. What is more embarrassing, hesitant, worrisome thing you can ever do in life that is more than having 30 pairs of eyes studying every detail of your naked body and limp dick?