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    [–]public-masturbator 71 points72 points  (0 children)

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    And that's why we're here

    [–]erowidtrance 3 points4 points  (4 children)

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    I'm not sure the problem is a prince charming fantasy, why wouldn't a guy just naturally assume being nice is what was attractive to women? Men usually choose friends who are nice to them, it seems logical to think the same would apply to women.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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    That's because it isn't logical. It's taught from when you're very little. If it's all you know, it's hard to imagine anything else.

    A lot of guys these days are raised by single mothers or spineless fathers that just want to work and drink beer every day until they die.

    When parents, the media, movies, tv shows, modern books, and women tell you to act a certain way, then you do it because in your head there is no alternative.

    [–]erowidtrance 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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    If a guy had no societal conditioning and no prior experience with women his default assumption would be that being a generally nice person is what would be attractive.

    No one would ever start out thinking being a dickhead is going to be appealing, that's only something you learn after understanding how many women operate.

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    no societal conditioning and no prior experience with women his default assumption would be that being a generally nice person is what would be attractive.

    I don't really think that's true. If I had no conditioning as to what I should be doing, I'd be force to learn through experimenting and observing. Even if I defaulted to nice, that notion would be out the fucking window instantly because I have no conditioning backing it up once it fails the first few times.

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      [–]Evolved_Red 84 points85 points  (8 children)

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      As I told a good friend of mine who is extremely plugged in still despite him knowing my RP beliefs:

      "Be a nice guy 'cause you're a decent human being, but don't use it as a sexual strategy."

      [–]Xiamon 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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      Being a nice guy and being a decent human being are two wholly separate ideas, and you should inform him of this.

      [–]Xiamon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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      I was literally in the middle of typing up a post quoting that exact section... At first I was in disagreement with the post, for some reason I had "nice guy" and "good person" mixed together. They're entirely separate. I have not yet fully released the "nice guy" within me... I'm getting there though. But I refuse to stop being a good person, and fuck you if you dare try and take that away from me.

      [–]The_CEO_of_Beta 78 points79 points  (13 children)

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      That's why I'm here.

      I've been a nice guy for 30 years, and I can't let go. I want to let go. Seeing how quickly women throw nice guys under the bus just shows you how they truly feel about them.

      For god's sake, TheBluePill even frontpaged excerpts from the book, "No More Mr. Nice Guy", to show why nice guys are the most terrible people on the planet. It's like if Christian churches started giving out copies of "The God Delusion" to explain why being religious is bad for you.

      I just never thought it'd be this lonely being a nice guy. I just wish I could start my life all over again, not be this stupid friendly guy who cares deeply about everyone. By trying to make everyone happy, I've made no one happy, especially myself.

      [–]RockinRhombus 45 points46 points  (0 children)

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      By trying to make everyone happy, I've made no one happy, especially myself.

      That's a good tl;dr of all of this line of thinking.

      [–]dirkdigles 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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      Then find something (or things) you care more deeply about than your relationships with your friends / other people. Focus on that. Sounds like your source of self worth is external. Internalize it.

      Saying you "can't let go" is not doing you any good. You're prolonging your own suffering. Get rid of the word "can't." And Jesus what is with that username. It's like you're proud of your status (unless it's supposed to be ironic or something)

      Change is tough but it's a complete and utter waste to sit around feeling sorry for yourself and wishing things were different. Make them different.

      [–]SomersetRaglan 3 points4 points  (7 children)

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      nice guy

      People need to be more specific when they use this term. Many of the arguments on reddit stem from two people who mean different things by the same word.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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      No asshats use it to create a straw man they can attack by being the first to define nice guy as: acting nice (expecting a reward)

      The truth is acting nice and being nice aren't really different and expectations of others behaviors are a completely separate of this behavior but even if you disagree about that those expectations aren't any less valid; it isn't wrong to expect others to return kindness or niceties.

      When women say: "I thought you were a nice guy not a guy pretending (acting) to be nice just to get into my pants." that's a bullshit excuse women respond this way because they are obsessed with perceived value and feminists reject natural female values and instead value only financial success and one way respect while giving lip service to natural female values.

      [–]gstvtrp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I think you're spot on. Good points being made here.

      [–]SomersetRaglan -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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      to return kindness or niceties.

      To be fair, its not only nice guys that applies to. Ugly girls are nice to me sometimes, but it doesn't make me want to fuck them. And it would be laughable if one of them felt that our 'friendship' entitled me to 'be nice' back by validating her.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      I don't make friends with ugly women because most of the time they clump together and form a sort of circle jerk of neediness, which is something that beta men do to a lesser degree as well. I could be friends with an ugly girl if she didn't have the pretense that friendship means sex and validation but even if she wanted sex/relationship I'd still be nice to her when I turn her down. There really is no reason to be hostile about being the friendzoner, the friendzonie get's some slack in my opinion but not a free pass to be a raging self entitled cunt.

      [–]Glenbert 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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      Agree. There are guys who are naturally nice people and then there are NiceGuysTM

      The problem with NiceGuysTM is, really, they are complete assh*les in their core. When you spot one who you thought was just a nice person, it's a revolting feeling.

      [–]1PaulRivers10 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      The problem with NiceGuysTM is, really, they are complete assh*les in their core. When you spot one who you thought was just a nice person, it's a revolting feeling.

      Oh please, that's practically ad copy from feminism. What a bunch of crap.

      The only thing that niceness typically indicates is a lack of power.

      [–]Glenbert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      To me, a NiceGuyTM is the kind of guy who is more interested in being polite and keeping the peace than actually helping people when they need it. Maybe it's because I grew up on the East Coast, but I hate people like that. If "feminism" agrees with me on that point, then fine.

      [–]selfishgene32 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Being nice guy is not an excuse to being a social screw up.

      Thief (rephrase word as girl) doesn't respect you if you open your wallet (rephrase as being nice).

      But the thief (rephrase word as girl) happily take money out of you if you open you wallet (rephrase as nice).-> Why most of girls happy with nice guys, but don't fuck them

      Thief (rephrase word as girl) will curse you till the end if you close your wallet (rephrase as asshole).-> Why most of girls unhappy with assholes, but fuck them

      [–]Good2Go5280 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      If being an asshole isn't your thing, be indifferent. If you just don't give a fuck, girls will perceive that as strength and possibly assholishness. Give it a try. It's pretty easy.

      [–]SomersetRaglan 129 points130 points  (6 children)

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      I dont think anyone here would dispute the fact that being a good person never got anyone laid.

      The contention is that since RP is a way of life and not just a forum for getting pussy like PUA, doing things just because they get you laid is actually anti-RP to a certain extent.

      Thats why we say to go to the gym because its good for YOU, not just because you'll get laid. Make bank for YOU, not to attract bitches.

      One of the things I find unsettling about the pickup community is that they teach you not to put women on a pedestal, and then proceed to spend oogles of time getting good at getting their attention.

      I like RP because it makes me a better man, and the pussy is just a side effect.

      So yea, being an asshole gets you laid, but make sure you're being an asshole because that'swhat you want to do, not because you want pussy. Dont get me wrong, act like an assholewhen you go out, chicks will lap it up.

      But to a certain point, being who you are and not letting the quest for pussy affect who you are as a man is very RP. Women arent worth becoming less of a man for, and helping the old lady cross the street is very manly. Why? Because a man protects his tribe.

      I see mini arguments on here from time to time about whether being as ass is essential to getting pussy. It helps, but consider this:

      women are attracted to men who follow their own rules and path. Is basing your life philosophy on the internal workings of such a miserable creature really the way to go? The captain does not base his command style on the failings of his copilot.

      TLDR, be an asshole for the right reasons. And if its just to get laid, thats cool, just make sure it doesnt spill over if you didnt mean for it to. If you have something thats important to you, as long as it doesnt directly contradict RP, you dont need to give it up just to get laid.

      bracing for downvotes, lol

      [–]Xiamon 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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      The contention is that since RP is a way of life and not just a forum for getting pussy like PUA, doing things just because they get you laid is actually anti-RP to a certain extent.

      I think this needs to be stickied somewhere. It was the impression I was under, but I was beginning to wonder, due to some of the comments that I've seen...

      Though I have to say, for me, red pill is more of an outlook on life, than a way of life.

      [–]SomersetRaglan 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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      Strictly speaking, RP is a dialectic-a way of interpreting and analyzing historical and social events. A lens, if you will, and the tools necessary to dissect human interactions to their core.

      This analysis leads one to draw conclusions about how to maximize gains from the system depending on what you want out of it. This is the 'how to be a man' side of RP.

      The distinction is an important one, because the first is a systematic way to interpret the world, while the second is an action plan.

      An analogy would be how Karl Marx created dialectical materialism as a means of explaining and interpreting society through the lens of wealth distribution, and then later proposed communism as a plan of action.

      Now, the theory of communism ended up being wrong (if you disagree, lets not get into it right now), but dialectic materialism is still a very valid way of looking at the world, because its very true that almost all political events are rooted in a struggle for control of economic resources.

      So, to illustrate:

      observation-women fuck assholes

      RP Dialectic- women fuck assholes because assholes have high value, and women desire cock of the highest possible value

      Now we decide what to do with this, and person A says 'well, to get pussy you should be an asshole.'

      Person B says 'to get pussy, you should display high value.'

      Person C says 'men need to band together and stop rewarding women with attention for being mediocre, so that market pressures force our collective value to rise.'

      And now we can all debate on the merits or not of these plans of action.

      TLDR: RP is a dialectic. It is also a theory of how to acquire the maximum quantity of a resource, when society is set in opposition to you having any of said resource.

      I compared RP to communism, and there are quite a few similarities. For the most part, we are a group of people who feel that the distribution of a certain resource is unfair and that society is a construct that propagates this unfairness, and a revolution needs to happen. Until that revolution happens (it may never...) we educate, try to improve our own situation, and let our decadent enemies fall apart from their own hypocrisy.

      Also we're hated about as much as the early communists were lol.

      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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      There's a lot of things here that are technically true - women are attracted to confident, dominant men who follow their own path.

      But there's this thin line between a man like that, and some guy who reads a few things around The Red Pill and says, "I'm going to keep doing the same stuff I've been doing all my life that's never, ever worked, because I want to, and doing what I want even though it fails makes me manly and alpha!"

      It's unfortunate, but 99.99 percent of how a woman reacts to what a man does is based on her perception of the man's behavior, not on the man's dominant frame and his reasons for doing it. A woman will subconsciously perceive a "nice guy" doing nice guy things as less sexually desirable, even if he's the biggest most manly badass on the planet and is adhering to his own wants the whole time.

      It's the male's behavior that turns a woman on or off, not the guy's mental thought process behind that behavior.

      [–]SomersetRaglan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Amen, brother

      [–]Murasa 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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      You will not drown in downvotes this day. I found this insightful.

      [–]dvrzero 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      It's almost as if rp is called misogyny because it's selfish.

      And it is. Why should anyone get what I worked for for free - especially if they have no value.

      [–]1KingofRiders 19 points20 points  (2 children)

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      I kept being a nice guy for so long. And when Women would treat me like garbage, talk about me behind my back, laugh in my face, etc. I would be completely confused. It seemed so left field. Even if I wasn't trying to fuck them in the ass, or make out with them. They were despicable and it made no sense to me.

      Slowly I realized that being a jackass is a nigh fool-proof way to gain the adoration of women. And that led me to take the redpill eventually. Because it works. It gets results.

      Some of you haven't fully taken the red pill. You still believe you can be a courteous gentlemen and get the girl. go watch gone with the wind and see what happens to Rhett until he finally realizes at the end that he's put up with too much bs. And he walks out. And she wants him more than ever because he slams a door in her face.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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      Well that movies like 5 hours long so don't watch it all just for that maybe youtube the clip instead tho

      [–]themoor 50 points51 points  (6 children)

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      I've talked about this with a few of by FBs. They agree totally with you.

      Another thing they agree with, and which they themselves find exasperating, is that they (women in general) cannot tell the difference between a "good bad boy" and a "bad bad boy."

      By that I mean both display alpha qualities and assholish behavior, but the former won't beat them, steal their money for drugs, or whatever. The latter will. In either case, both types of guys have an attitude, swagger, demeanor, disposition, and so on women find irresistible. And that disposition is definitely not "nice." Nice is NOT a panty-dropper.

      [–]rule_of_law 1 point2 points  (5 children)

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      That's like saying I can't tell the difference between "healthy fast food" and "unhealthy fast food".

      It's their version of a unicorn. Maybe some of the guys who are complete shit heads who get pussy are good for a long term relationship. Maybe some are more "bad bad" than others. It's a discussion that is based on a false foundation. Even if 50% of "bad" boys were good, and half the male population was considered "bad", that leaves 75% of women in the cold. But in reality the number is much higher, and women have had the entire history of human relations to come to grips with that.

      Meanwhile, there are legions of Ben Stiller type beta men running around waiting...

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

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      Beta guys aren't broken, they just have a different strategy for success. If their forebears didn't have success with women they wouldn't exist at all. I think the Betas of the past were a bit tougher than today's though. My grandfather and his father weren't ladies men, they worked in the arts like I do, but they were toughened by their times and a male culture that cared about turning boys into men. Now we just have a bunch of boys with beards running around displaying behavior that would have gotten their asses kicked forty years ago.

      [–]rule_of_law 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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      Thinking that there is some genetic trait that is passed down from beta to beta, is wrong. Beta and Alpha are personality traits which can be acquired. Things like height are factors that have an external influence on one's personality...

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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      Oh so in your mind the stuff inside our heads isn't also a product of our genes? Where does it come from then?

      [–]rule_of_law 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      Well things like brain capacity and performance are different than ideologies. Finding and adhering to TRP wasn't due to genetics...

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      We might be talking past each other here. My understanding is that some guys are hard wired to be more beta than others, they're born that way. My two sons with polar opposite personalities are part of the reason I think this way.

      However, I also believe that we can all become men and that there is a version of Alpha for us all. Even weird sneaky artsy types like me can man up and improve themselves. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be here.

      [–]youreunbelieveable 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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      No good deed goes unpunished. That's the truth right there

      [–]thedarkerside 41 points42 points  (6 children)

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      I still think you're getting it wrong. You don't need to be an asshole to get a woman, you need to be a man. That mostly means to define your frame around yourself and not let it shake it. The shittest.

      Being "nice" is not a problem either, as long as you are being nice on your terms. Do things because you really do want to do them, not because they expect you to or demand it from you.

      Then again, it comes down to what your goal is. If the goal is to get laid, asshole works perfectly fine, is easy to apply and will get you results. If you're looking for something more durable, asshole won't work, unless you are attracted to assholes, in which case: Asshole away.

      [–]10J18R1A 15 points16 points  (5 children)

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      I'm upset that this isn't the most upvoted post here, because it's absolutely correct. A lot of guys are doormats, passive bitches that think that roses and massages while she tells you about the guy she really wants is going to get you a relationship or some ass. Then when they're tired of that, start reading some books and watching some videos, all of a sudden the want to start "negging" and "being an asshole", so they swing too far in the other direction.

      Protip - horseshoe theory: "I worship the ground you walk on " and "bitch, you ain't even hot, gimme some of the pink power ranger" are more closely related than opposite.

      Being "nice" is not a problem either, as long as you are being nice on your terms. Do things because you really do want to do them, not because they expect you to or demand it from you.

      Motherfuck, that's some truthiness right there. If you do X, expecting y on the sole basis of doing X, you're going to have a bad time. There's being nice, and then there's being a Nice Guy TM.

      Maintain your sense of self, know what you'll accept and won't accept, be nice until you have a reason not to be. It's not as hard as y'all are making it out to be.

      [–]thedarkerside 8 points9 points  (4 children)

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      Honestly it would be nice if the mods would start removing these kinds of posts actively. It seems lately half the posts are about griping how shitty women are and the other half is about on how to get laid.

      The simple reality is: If a woman can get you by you fucking her, then you haven't really won, at least not if you plan on having a relationship / family with her. Short term goals like fucking each other do usually not translate into a long term relationship. The goal is to have them respect you. Not to "earn their respect" as a blue piller would put it by bending backwards over towards their whim, but by respecting you as a man. This subreddit has lost that direction recently quite a bit.

      [–]10J18R1A 5 points6 points  (3 children)

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      True. And really , the secret to getting ass is not caring about whether you get some ass. When they learn that, they'll see that fucking for the sake of fucking gets really, really old.

      I mean, if pussy is the goal, I ain't mad at ya...but it's really not that hard. The hard part is fucking someone that you also like to be around when you're NOT inside.

      Being nice to get some pussy and being a dick to get some pussy still puts pussy on the pedestal. It's still showing the girl as something to be won, not being someone she wants to win (which doesn't mean changing yourself at all. )

      [–]thedarkerside 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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      The hard part is fucking someone that you also like to be around when you're NOT inside.

      Yeah, the moment I realized how easy it is to get laid it lost all appeal to me. So now it's more about: "Okay, so you want to get fucked, got anything else I might be interested in?"

      That answer, is mostly no, but as the saying goes: Nothing easy is worth keeping.

      [–]10J18R1A 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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      Exactly. Jump through some hoops to get laid? Somebody done told you wrong.

      When women realize that they can't barter their pussy, that you're not going to chase it like some carrot on a stick, the world opens up...then you have choices and then you have control.

      [–]thedarkerside 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      Sort of the core idea of MGTOW.... Only that it's not really communicated very well.

      [–]thedanielmasterson 33 points34 points  (0 children)

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      You know what the real difference was?

      You started actually trying to fuck them.

      [–]tr8 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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      When all else fails, or you’re at a loss for what to do next with a girl, or all you have at your disposal is feeble beta game, then be an asshole. Asshole Game should be your default seduction when you can’t think of more ethical options. You may not like it, but there’s no arguing with results.

      http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/jerkboy-charisma-game-a-series-2/

      [–]tr8 12 points13 points  (4 children)

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      There's been a shitty trend here in r/theredpill. You could see it in r/seduction as it got more popular and mainstream. The advice is watered down so that the nicest of nice guys can read it and still get something.

      "Give value!!"

      [–]Manuel_S 20 points21 points  (3 children)

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      Have value.

      Then don't give it.

      [–]Devinity 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      Let others get it by osmosis.

      [–]Manuel_S 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      No no no.

      Let others wish for it and try to get closer to you for that precious osmosis.

      Its not your problem whether they get it. Probably not. But if they think they do - that'll suffice.

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        [–]YAISEDDIT 24 points25 points  (0 children)

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        Alpha as fuck.

        [–]bainesy4 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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        Women are the way they are because they know that they posses something we want with ever fiber in our being. So they hold it over us to validate themselves. Mostly anyone with power abuses it or uses it to their advantage.

        [–]rumbledust 5 points6 points  (5 children)

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        This is exactly where I stand on the 'is politeness beta' thing.

        [–]1johnnight 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        politeness has it's place: in the office, when you have to be a team player, who does not get fired.

        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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        I'm not polite with the women I want to fuck, but I tend to be with the general population. I am because most people find me intimidating and I live in a small community.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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        Be polite when you want to be a "good" person (to strangers who you aren't trying to have sex with, family, and friends). Do not be polite when you are trying to get it in with a random girl.

        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        Exactly. I found that military professionalism scares the fuck out of people.

        [–]drallcom3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Politeness doesn't have much to do with being nice. You can politely say no and politely say that you don't give a damn about them. It can actually display a high value if you don't have to use agressive emotional profanities for them.

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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        "I know that when it comes to women's attraction, no good deed ever goes unpunished."

        If you say nice things to woman and you turn them down later on or you piss them off they will instantly twist those nice things around and make it seem liked you insulted them.

        [–]Furbowl 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        The whole premise of this post is wrong, because of course being a good person will attract women.

        It will attract fattie 4's who can smell a free meal from a mile away. It will attract cougerish old 3's who know how to smell great in a dark movie theater (you can't feel liver spots). It will attract 2's whose leaking balloons of self-esteem has them dragging their enormous asses across the ground to get to you. Omigod don't turn around! I told you not to turn around. It's a 1, and now you'll never get rid of her, because you're too much of a good person.

        The trick, my friend, is to be a good MAN. "Person" is a feminist construct that does not exist in nature.

        [–]im_a_leadfarmer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        Well if you are talking about this 'niceness' I am thinking of it applies to all social situations. I was dealing with it myself and I see it clearly that being polite all the time strips you from having great social interactions. Ability to being nice is important but staying that way constantly is super-boring and time wasting.

        For 'nice guys' - start saying what you think. Take a risk and say something bold, audacious. Once you try it you'll never go back.

        [–]billnye_theRPguy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        There's a difference from being a good person and being a push-over.

        If you're helping old ladies across the street and telling people that you did that, you're seeking approval and reward from those around you. They don't need to know, because they don't care. It goes back to this "hidden contract" thing that betas do when they do nice things.

        [–]ohnoesmikey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Think of it this way: If you project yourself correctly, and you do the chivalry and walk off without expectations, you are showing those aided, subconsciously, that the strong is caring for the not-as-strong.

        [–]CharlesAnonymousVII 11 points12 points  (17 children)

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        You've made the popular mistake of equating the good with the nice.

        [–]insickness[S] 9 points10 points  (7 children)

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        Please enlighten me. What kind of 'good' actions attract women?

        [–]blazingblue16 20 points21 points  (1 child)

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        Firemen. Save lives, fuck bitches.

        [–]Shit_The_Fuck_Yeah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        ...and cops and soldiers....

        [–]CharlesAnonymousVII 8 points9 points  (4 children)

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        Of the four cardinal virtues, fortitude and prudence definitely attract women. Justice and temperance arguably do, but I'll just stick to the obvious ones.

        [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

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        Prudence? IMO being reckless is the biggest panty dropper.

        [–]bassivemalls 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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        Prudence with your career, finances, and control over your life I think is what he means. Prudence helps your get your life into a position of status and wealth that women love.

        Those losers who spend their paycheck on cigarettes and lotto tickets do not have prudence--not a panty dropper.

        [–]tcherno334 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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        exactly that.

        [–]dropit_sphere 5 points6 points  (6 children)

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        Perhaps, but you are close to the (also popular) mistake of equating the good with the pleasant (for the doer). The two are often incompatible.

        [–]CharlesAnonymousVII 12 points13 points  (5 children)

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        I wouldn't make that mistake. Goodness demands sacrifice and thus requires a willingness to embrace suffering.

        [–]raouldukeesq 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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        [Achievement of any kind] demands sacrifice and ... a willingness to embrace suffering.

        [–]CharlesAnonymousVII 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        If the achievement is any good, yeah, of course.

        [–]dropit_sphere 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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        I like you.

        [–]TfahsNoriEht 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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        gay

        [–]dropit_sphere 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Probably.

        [–]hownao 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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        Does "popular" imply he did it by choice? I am confused by the wording of your statement that's all.

        [–]CharlesAnonymousVII 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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        It is only popular in recent decades, because morality has been reduced to sentimentality, ethics to etiquette.

        [–]the_irish_kid123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Amen

        [–]DudeWithAHighKD 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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        Does this apply to dating girls also or just fucking them? Are you suppose to be a dick until they are your girlfriend? I don't understand how this works.

        [–]Carbone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        Getting a girlfriend is not the goal. It will happen but focus on working on yourself and get laid.

        Hunt with a shotgun not with a sniper.

        [–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Here's a red pill truth for you: women don't give a fuck about being fucked as much as men, full stop. Also, men derive more of their needs out of being fucked. Once you know yourself in this way, it's simpler to just go with it and get your needs met. Remember, getting your needs met isn't being an asshole. It's hiding them that does.

        [–]ghost62 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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        Can someone help me understand this? I've read all of the sidebar and been part of the community for a while (never made an account to post until recently), and while I understand the basics of shit tests and not making yourself so available, I still don't really understand how just being an asshole is attractive, other than that it shows intrinsic value at best.

        [–]Carbone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Being an asshole is not attractive, it just an easy way to act from pure masculinity. Taking action and moving forward a goal that you want.

        Woman can't make the difference. Asshole or Selfmade man who show dominance and high status are the same for them. They seem unmovable, solid like a rock and can provide a sentiment of security. The former is a jackass that will get him laid but no self developpement, the latter will get laid and still toward something greater than him ( a mission ).

        We don't have the right book of rules. They just don't fucking play the same rules that we thought it would be. There is no moral or right thing to do. We need to move our ass toward something and play by the rules aka the game ( or if you DGAF about woman, MGTOW).

        [–]6TLaRm4g 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        As I view it, this "nice guy" thing can work only in a situation where all men are treating women like absolute garbage and constantly abusing everyone. In that environment, a man that doesn't abuse women stands out from all the other men and women might be attracted to him to some extent. But when literally hordes of such nice guys are around, it just makes you a nobody. Not only you are not unique in any way, in addition you are wimp and have no power over anything, not even a women. So in an environment like that women will be repulsed by such guys.

        [–]shot_the_chocolate 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        Alpha != asshole.

        [–]MotorcycleMann 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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        Examples please?

        Who are these women and how are your interactions going now compared to before? What is a play-by-play interaction go like when trying to seduce said women?

        What exactly is dickish behavior?

        [–]watersign 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        Being dark triad is important and should carry over to other parts of your life. Before I discovered The Red Pill i spent alot of time reading about succesful business/executives and such forth and came to the conclusion that to "get ahead" you must stomp on many other people to get what you deserve.

        [–]erich_von_stalhein 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        "Deserve"?

        [–]10J18R1A 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        I'm actually a nice person. I'm just not a doormat and a lot of women consider that being an ass.

        [–]rednukleus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Wow, top 10 TRP submission.

        [–]Geofferey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        What alpha and beta to me is what you, op, have written. An underlining of who is my action for.

        I see being an alpha being "in it for myself", like the women we see around us. What can her or that other girl offer to my life? If the only answer is nothing, then plate them and serve them. While beta is something we all have done, there is still a place for it.

        Beta, I believe is something we do for the interaction. I know this something i try to do less, and yet is a nice way to get our SO, not plates, to work for. Like a nice positive reinforcement treat for their actions and behaviors.

        I'm not here saying be full beta (remember, never go full beta. EVER) but the feeling beta brings within a girl can be as overwhelming as an alpha move, with great timing and execution of course.

        Be the best person you want to be, even when society tells you otherwise. It's worth being happy, than to be told "this" is happiness.

        [–]mc0079 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        The major problem here is that some of the red pill converts who go hook line and sinker for the OP post have a really distorted view of "nice vs asshole"...Confusing social anxiety with "nice" is bullshit. Yes, the game goes to the Bold, but you don't have to be an asshole to be Bold. How many times have I noticed online..."I don't want to talk to her, I might bother her, that's an asshole move"...no it's not! Thinking you just need to be "nice" and act like a total wallflower who just hopes and prays a women notices him is NOT going to work.

        [–]shokodemon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Being a good person has nothing to do with gettibg a girl bro.. Strategy is strategy.. If you find yourself becoming your strategy, then you have some reevualuating to do...

        Being smart about choosing a mate is wisdome .. Not a cutthroat mode if existence. You do yourself a disservice by abandoning being generally kind to others.. Because the first one to suffer at your hands is you

        Be wise and calculating, be rational and fair- be a man. It's okay tgough we are all a kid once. We grow. Swallow the pill, dont choke on it.

        Im gkad you still see yiurself as a good person, stay that way. man hug

        [–]1bradyo2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        I just posted something about this on /r/asktrp: (here)

        What I don't get, is that there is a guy in our social group who is just a total asshole all round, a dick to women and always trying to prove his dominance by belittling the guys around him, but he hasn't got laid in like 2 years and he has terrible success with women, everyone gets pissed off at him.

        How does this fit into the theory that being an asshole works? (I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely want to know)

        [–]KnopflerisGod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Excellent post. I was blue pill into my 40s. After several years of pua/rp/seduction study and practice, I've come to this conclusion.

        Why the fuck should I be nice to any woman that I'm attracted to? I will demonstrate value and if she is available for sex great, otherwise next. Hostess, waitress, nurse, church goer, milf, businesswoman, sister-in-law, receptionist, CEO, cheerleader, intern...doesn't matter. All they offer is satisfying me romantically and sexually if I find them attractive.

        My family, men, elderly women, children and the less fortunate offer me opportunities for business endeavors, career advancement, friendship, social status, charitable works and so on.

        At 46 as a husband, father and business owner I have decided that intimate relationships with beautiful women is important to my happiness and fulfillment as a man, and I take full responsibility for my happiness now until the day they bury me.

        So far so good...the last couple of years I've fulfilled my duties to my family, biz partner, clients and myself successfully with no drama.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        I'm new here and as much as I know I should just lurk around. I need to know if the message here is to actively be a dick or just in the sense of saying "no" more.

        I don't know how much of a balance there is between the ideal or being the super nice pushover.

        [–]0ringer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        You can be a good man without being a nice guy. People seem to think being a gentleman means being a gentle (soft, yielding, agreeable) man, but in actuality it's being a genteel (respectable, proper, mannered) man that makes you a gentleman. David DeAngelo did a piece on that in one of his conventions about becoming a better man (who naturally attracts women)

        [–]ohnoesmikey 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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        Personally, if a woman wasn't attracted because I am a bit chivalrous, she can suck it. Being alpha, and being noble are not mutually exclusive. As a matter of fact, me doing things like helping little old ladies is old fashioned enough that I get hit on for it for being a "southern gentleman" Combine that with a slight drawl, direct stare and "projection" of masculinity, and it's damn near irresistable. It doesn't hurt to be 6'5" and 225 either.

        [–]insickness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        It doesn't hurt to be 6'5" and 225 either.

        You may think that women are attracted to you because you do nice guy things when in reality they are attracted to you in spite of doing nice guy things. It's not easy to discern the two if you haven't explored both ends of the spectrum.

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          [–]1KingofRiders 2 points3 points  (20 children)

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          Do you like to watch Oprah reruns in your free time?

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            [–]TfahsNoriEht 2 points3 points  (14 children)

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            Your comment was gay as shit

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              [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

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              He's projecting.

              [–]TfahsNoriEht 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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              How much to suck ya dick?

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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              How much ya got?

              [–]TfahsNoriEht 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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              Bout tree fiddy

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              That's all you got? I'll have to think about it.

              [–]BrancoXIII 3 points4 points  (7 children)

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              Dont bother, some TRP fagets have severe inferiority complexes and take the chance to bash the shit out of comments like yours that differ from the circlejerk. You know, it makes it easier for them.

              [–]TfahsNoriEht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              You're right :) just be yourself and everything will work out in the end :)

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                [–]Uedukai 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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                30%? REALLY, hoppor? JUST 30%?

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                  [–]Uedukai -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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                  I was joking (being scarcastic ;) ). I was poking fun at the fact that you are narrowing down statistics (which is really unnecessary to do, and sort of a waste of time imo). If you want a lady, you just GO FOR IT, and GET HER :)

                  "it's a numbers game, not a magic wand." This right here my friend is False-Dichotomy. It's a logical fallacy. This is assuming that there are only two solutions, when in-fact there are many more. The best solution? Become a Social Adept. Women are social creatures. Approach her, use your social skills, and win. If you're not winning, then learn, and practice more.

                  The only number that should be involved (if not an instant lay) is her phone number (Maybe bra size too?). No percentile, and no currency.

                  [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

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                  Reads Cosmo and women's day as well.

                  [–]erich_von_stalhein 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                  Yours is the sort of caricature that gives /r/TRP a bad name.

                  [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  Thanks for your opinion, I don't give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks. I'm not here to win friends and promote a subreddit.

                  [–]youreunbelieveable -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                  Burn!

                  [–]dropit_sphere -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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                  This should be stickied.

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                    [–]_lion_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                    Then this post isn't for you.

                    [–]Carbone 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    Stop fapping and eat high fat,medium protein intake.

                    Testosterone will rise inside you and you will be sexual again.

                    [–]1PaulRivers10 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    (this is true, not hypothetical). People forget that TRP is NOT about sex and getting laid.

                    They haven't "forgetten" the forum specifically states that it's about sexual strategy.

                    Doesn't mean it has to be 100% about sexual strategy, but you've "forgotten" that that's where it started.

                    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                    Lol, I was a seddit hardballer until they banned me

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                      [–]Carbone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      That's a nice way to see it.