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    [–]Evolved_Red 55 points56 points  (10 children)

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    I've got a great story on this!

    I work as a Film Editor, and one day was getting slammed with excess footage, so i called in one of the interns to help. In walked a girl in her early 20's whom ive known for a little while and have a friendship going (she's now engaged to her LTR at 24 years old.)

    Anyhow, i needed help with scenes containing actor Josh Helman, so intern girl started prepping some scenes.

    She starts commenting on how she doesn't think he's good looking, kinda looks creepy, how her BF (now fiancee) is better looking... i let her yap as i got shit to do.

    Then she comes across all of Josh's shirtless scenes... and it became extremely quiet on her end. I glance over and sure enough, she's checking out Josh's body, doesn't even deny it.

    "Oh my god, look at those arms... and those abs. I'm a sucker for forearms... wow i didn't know he was so hot! He's really sexy!"

    How things change in 30 seconds. I've seen the scenes she's talking about, dude has got a great body.

    Anyways, thought i'd chime in with a good yarn.

    [–]1johnnight 21 points22 points  (8 children)

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    Superb story.

    We cannot change our faces but we can make ourselves 8+ sexually attractive from the neck down. It just takes work and time. Furthermore the male face also benefits from a lower bf%.

    [–]Iurand 18 points19 points  (7 children)

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    We cannot change our faces

    Yes we can. Just stop shaving for couple weeks.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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    You know I heard about chicks liking beards and I stopped shaving around the end of Jan/start of Feb.

    My goal is to end up with a glorious beard like you see those Duck Dynasty guys with. Though at the moment it has started to look a bit ragged so I think it might be time to invest in a beard trimmer kit.

    PS: apparently beards.org is a good reference for this stuff.

    [–]TheToeSnail 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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    I conducted an experiment. Chicks love beards.

    [–]OmegaChick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    [–]CouldntFindGudName 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    TFW no full beard.

    It's just my chin and some on the side. While my dad has glorious full beard.

    So I just shave. :/

    [–]deville05 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Bit isnt this normal? I mean every fucking person does this.

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    I just watched that yesterday and thought of this sub.

    Leela apparently has a low value due to her one eye according to that episode.

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        [–]sniperhiding 79 points80 points  (13 children)

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        A.K.A. the difference between MRA guys and TRP guys....

        MRA guys = creep acceptance

        TRP guys = stop being a creep and lift weights

        [–]Ragu35[S] 39 points40 points  (2 children)

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        Exactly.

        Beige Phillip rule. It's the man's fault. If somethings broke, fix it. Don't make excuses. Don't bitch. Be a winner.

        [–]Evolved_Red 19 points20 points  (0 children)

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        Yes it is. If you've failed to control something in your life and it's turned against you, it's nobody's fault but your own.

        I also like: 'If you're going to act like a pussy then you're going to get fucked.'

        [–]1mr_throwz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        And this is why, ultimately and be default, women will in general will never completely earn the respect of men.

        [–]memetherapy 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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        I like some things about RP and some things about MRA... but this is a great way of exposing that difference.

        What I like about MRA is their idealism when it comes to principles... but they lose me when when they can't distinguish idealistic principles from pragmatism... like, yeah, culture's "fucked" or wtv and you can try your best to change it... but at the end of the day, we're all born into some "fucked" culture and this idealistic culture is an irrealistic utopic dream... help others who are victims but don't treat yourself like one...

        The only reason "man up" is wrong is because it's assumed only men should "man up"... not being a fucking pussy cry-baby victim should be something every person aspires to. Men and women need to man up and deal with their shit.

        Rant over.

        [–]asblue91 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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        This is actually the most accurate differentiation out there. Bravo.

        [–]kragshot 14 points15 points  (4 children)

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        Not quite true.

        Most MHRM guys are all about self-improvement; thus the meme you commonly read on many MHRM pages; "get off facebook, find a gym, and join a credit union."

        The MHRM is not about "creep acceptance." It's about preventing some guy from getting his ass whipped by the cops because some broad called him a creep. No guy is going to call the cops on some coyote-ugly chick for having the confidence to try to get with him. Being called a "creep" used to be equated with just being an undesirable male. Now it's equated with being both "undesirable" and "dangerous."

        But if you get falsely accused of rape by some hamster with an axe to grind or who's trying to hide one of her go-arounds on the CC from her husband, then all the weights become is a pre-selected hobby when you're in the big house.

        Many of us are about the legal inequities that go on today. I'm here because I recognize that TRP is one of many valid male responses to the world that the feminists have created and I'd rather see a guy who is angry and frustrated with his success with women go RP and learn to master himself than just sit, stew, and be miserable.

        I discussed this a long time ago in OneY and told people a simple truth; cultivating your inner cool is not about mastering the world around you; it's about mastering yourself. By changing yourself, you will change how the world responds to you. We've all seen big, rolly-poly cats with hot chicks...it's because she knows that he's got his shit down-pat; she can sense his inner cool and she finds that shit sexy as fuck. Yeah, if his big-ass went on a diet and hit the gym, he'd be that much better about himself, but the point is that it all starts from the inside.

        We need to work to change the legal climate and make it so men are not being made out to be the monsters that gender feminists are calling us. But at the same time, we need to encourage men to cultivate themselves to be better both mentally and physically.

        In my opinion; the MHRM and TRP are not and should not be exclusive to one another.

        MHRM = changing the legal and social climate that promotes misandry

        TRP = teaching men to better themselves and subsequently influence their personal environments for their benefit

        [–]1PaulRivers10 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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        I know what you're saying, and I agree with you in theory. The problem with MRA is that is so often attracts the super whiny absurd guy who no one else will listen to.

        Like MRA's are more about more equal divorce laws, rape laws, child custody and support, etc etc. All of those are great things.

        But a lot of times what I see is like what I saw someone posting a while ago here - a big long post trying to assert that it was horrible that a judge ruled that a man didn't have the legal right to be in the delivery room if the woman giving birth didn't want him there (think divorce, one night stand, etc).

        The guy was going on and on and on whining about how this was something horrible being done to "men" because they might want to be there for the "special moment of delivery" and how they were victimized or something because they didn't have the legal right to force it to happen - or some shit like that.

        I mean it's like a "not all mra's are like that" situation - it seems like mra stuff attracts so many of the way-overly-whiny-about-nothing guys, it's difficult to separate.

        [–]alcockell 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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        To be fair - if someone's been seriously burned, they might need to get through the grief cycle so they can then move on?

        I'm having to as I was derailed completely in a sociosexual sense when I was abused at 13 by predatory girls - in 1984. So have had to work a LOT on myself.. and still have far to go.

        Both psychosexual and physical repair. Also includes working out what my sociosexual drive itself looks like. So as well as having all of that - I am also working to a completely different cultural script as well - as I was born in 1970.

        Still had to go through the rage cycle though.

        [–]1PaulRivers10 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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        ...I'm honestly just not sure how that relates to my post.

        [–]11411181 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Relates perfectly. You're saying that /r/mensrights attracts all of the angry whiners. /u/alcockell identifies that they are all going through stage 2 of the grieving process: anger. Anger is blind. And they have a lot of it.

        Hell, I was once one of them before I heard of TRP. I actually considered doing some IRL activism for the cause when I actually sat down and thought about wth I could do - and WHY I was doing it. A bit of soul-searching for the next month or so (and a link from another forum to TRP - in jest, since they all think I'm a misogynist and figured likes would attract) and I'm here realizing I need to take personal responsibility for shit.

        We've all been through that anger stage. Some of them just take longer to get out of it.

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          [–]1mr_throwz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          Imagine that, civil right's movements have parallels.

          [–]jimmiesbrustled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Not thinking a man should change his entire personality, body, and life in order to appease women far less attractive =/= Creep acceptance

          [–][deleted] 105 points106 points  (10 children)

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          But hang on, if we just be ourselves, express our feelings and be kind, friendly and helpful we'll be inundated with hot women 24/7! We don't need to do all that lifting that arseholes and bad boys do all day!

          I know all this because women told me, so it must be true. /s

          [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

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          Why can't they see me for the real me???

          [–]Junglefart 9 points10 points  (7 children)

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          It is true. Problem is being yourself with a boring and annoying personality.

          [–]iKill_eu 29 points30 points  (6 children)

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          99% of the advice women give falls under the prince charming fallacy.

          IE, they tell you what they like guys with high SMV to do. It only works if a person who is actually attractive to her does it.

          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 18 points19 points  (4 children)

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          prince charming fallacy

          Would make a good article.

          [–]iKill_eu 22 points23 points  (2 children)

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          Every single "X things guys do that are hot"-pieces fall under it. "I love it when guys take their shirt off." No, you love it when guys you're already attracted to take their shirts off. If a low SMV person did it, it wouldn't make him any more attractive.

          It's part of the reason we can't take advice from women on dating - they only see the details. They see things attractive guys do and assume that these are attractive things, losing sight of the bigger picture.

          [–]12FAM0US 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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          low SMV guys dont exist to them. thats why when you tell them how few guys actually get laid they be all "nah my model friend gets laid all the time and he's a guy!" or "no my brother got laid once, sstop bein a shitlord!" its the same thing you are talking about Failing to see the big picture - Solipsism

          [–]1PaulRivers10 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          Every single "X things guys do that are hot"-pieces fall under it. "I love it when guys take their shirt off."

          Well to be fair, the biggest difference is that they get upset when you point out that they aren't really describing the situation.

          Lots of guys also believe that women should be able to go topless and support attempts to legalize it, not realizing that usually women promoting this are...not the women they want to see topless...

          [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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          If we're attractive, we should be a prince charming?

          [–]Endorsed ContributorVZPurp 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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          I politely decline fat chicks. There's no reason to be particularly mean or rude, which I often see with women who are approached by timid or low SMV men.

          [–]gstvtrp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Agreed.

          [–]AdmiralVonJackass 25 points26 points  (7 children)

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          This reminds me of an experience I had. One girl, let's call her Eight, was trying to fit me for the role of beta provider. Me being clueless at the time, got used for about 8 months as her time bitch (I once picked her up from a party where she treated me to the tale of the bro who came inside of her when he said he wouldn't).

          She had a friend named Seven who I treated with indifference and mockery. Seven predictably wanted me badly. They would get into debates over me. Eight would swear up and down that I was creepy as fuck, while Seven argued how awesome and sexy I was.

          Seductive behavior towards Seven was met with a gallery of smiles and a parade of fondling. Eight responded to similar behavior as if I were slowly skullfucking her father's severed head while inviting her to floss her teeth with my inflamed hemeroids.

          Ironically, Seven ended up getting herpes from her second partner at age 18 (it wasn't me). While Eight has surpassed the 30 shaft milestone at age 20 with no permanent afflictions.

          We are living in a sexual dystopia where the innocence of our youth gets devoured by mentally abused sex hyenas. Concepts like Utilitarianism are feeble whispers from the past that cannot be heard over the deafening roar of the orgy. Vamipiric husks just shuffle from one cesspit to another in search for the next victim to cannibalize. As you lay in the ruins of your neglected dignity with sexual fluids pooling from every shaft and orafice with your soul screaming out for salvation to a god who could not bear to look at you any longer just know that it didn't have to end like this.

          [–]blazingblue16 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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          Eight would swear up and down that I was creepy as fuck

          You let that shit slid? Wtf.

          [–]2dfx 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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          Let's say that you don't hear it from her, but through other people.

          Or maybe JUST seven in this case. Would it actually be worth calling out? What happened to defensive indifference?

          [–]blazingblue16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          I would cut her out of my life, no fuss.

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          While Eight has surpassed the 30 shaft milestone at age 20 with no permanent afflictions.

          Don't kid yourself - she's just asymptomatic or writes it off as a "heat rash" or something.

          [–]cxj 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          We are living in a sexual dystopia where the innocence of our youth gets devoured by mentally abused sex hyenas. Concepts like Utilitarianism are feeble whispers from the past that cannot be heard over the deafening roar of the orgy. Vamipiric husks just shuffle from one cesspit to another in search for the next victim to cannibalize. As you lay in the ruins of your neglected dignity with sexual fluids pooling from every shaft and orafice with your soul screaming out for salvation to a god who could not bear to look at you any longer just know that it didn't have to end like this.

          A+ description of our current society, nice writing skills. This is what previous generations feared and why they were so controlling of sexuality.

          [–]redditalias7 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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          The #1 piece of advice on this sub is to LIFT. And it's amazing advice. Unless you have tons of money for operations, your face isn't going to get much better looking

          Actually if you lift a lot and cut body fat, often your face does improve as well. You lose that doughy rounded look and get a more cut defined jawline. So yeah...lift.

          [–]watersign 9 points10 points  (3 children)

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          i go out of my way to creep out girls, because i don't give a fuck. more than half "dig it" and accept it,the other half are creeped out. do i give a fuck?? fuck no.

          tl;dr LIFT, you can be as "creepy" as you want once your SMV is up

          [–]Ragu35[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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          That's the point of this post. Creepy is a function of attractiveness and value.

          [–]1Zackcid 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          This is something I'm actually thinking of doing in the future. Shamelessly creeping girls out with my advances and whatnot. I realized my ego gets in the way of a lot of my shit, so I'm working on nuking that inner bitch.

          [–]watersign 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          the only advice i can give you is to do this sort of thing outside your social circle. it's about the only thing online dating is useful for..to creep out low value girls. to be fair though, it turns you into a bit of a sociopath because you view any girl you meet through online portals as lesser people because they usually are..even if they're really hot.

          [–]MostHumansAreStupid 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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          Yeah this is the shallow truth about society, attractive people are better off.

          [–]ashastry 21 points22 points  (2 children)

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          When you have low SMV talking to women is like diffusing a bomb. Yeah it's possible to do it, but your time and energy is much better spent improving yourself.

          [–]1PaulRivers10 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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          Lol, are you the same poster who posted this on another feminist orient site? It was awesomely hilarious. -

          Women seem more like landmines than adversaries, from this post.

          1. Calm down. You can't defuse a mine if you are jittery.
          2. Don't get too close to the mine; it's proximity-triggered and fast motions make you go boom and respawn. if you can't read the proper distance and speed to approach one, learn.
          3. If you plan on defusing bombs, don't blame the bomb if it blows up on you. Chances are it was something you did. Take responsibility.
          4. If you detonate the mine, and are lucky enough to survive the explosion, for God's sake apologize. You want to go back and try again, don't you?
          5. Landmines are not really your adversaries. You're defusing them to use later, right? Think of them as tsunderes. "It...it's not like I want to blow you up or anything, baka!" Remember, landmines have a rough life too, waiting for you to step on them.

          I kid, I kid. It's just amusing because the situation of approaching a woman sounds so dangerous for both parties involved. It needs a surprising amount of meticulous care. This site is a good read, but I couldn't blame a potential approacher to say "hang it all" and go play dating sims in the basement.

          [–]ashastry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Nope, no idea who posted that. Pretty funny though.

          [–]JGH8763 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          "Creepy" is just a more socially acceptable and more effective (in terms of mating strategy) way of saying "gross".

          However, while increasing LMS is important, especially looks, following the advice of pick-up, which is to say increasing the amount of interaction you have with women and expressing yourself more (verbally and physically, which includes being sexually assertive) is also important, and crucial - if you don't follow that advice you won't get laid even if you have extremely high LMS. Pick-up is just about application. But we should obviously study attraction and try to adopt what attributes have been proven to be valuable in that field, so that we can optimize that application.

          [–]coquio 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          Sometimes even attractive girls can give me a creep vibe. A girl who's in shape can also be the biggest creep. Whenever I encounter a drunk-ish girl at a bar or club who's on a mission, I just get disgusted. Sometimes you meet girls who are just dying to get laid, and they talk really close to your face and laugh at every single fucking thing you say, and press their tits against you. It's disgusting, they look like utter fools. She's not a creep, she's just sad to watch.

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              [–]SgtBrutalisk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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              RPW

              [–]bedrumour 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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              Could not agree more. Girls rarely have hobbies that they generally care about. They're too busy worrying about meaningless shit. Those that do have hobbies are hardly good at them or creative and only participate to add value to themselves. For example, a girl who plays the piano will only play to cover songs and show off by playing the first part of Beethoven's most famous song. Or if a girl plays soccer, not only is she horrible at it, she only does it to work out, make "friends", and sound interesting by having something else to talk about besides what she doesn't do.

              [–]1ww1ww1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              There are far more reasons than physical aesthetics to get into exercise. I have a serious dandruff problem; if I go more than 16 hours without showering and shake my hair, the immediate space around my head becomes a snow globe. I started running a mile and a half every morning last week and I've noticed that my dandruff has gotten better. It also helps with stress and ergo helps with acne, both things that are really important for facial aesthetics. And it helps you wake up and feel better. Just fucking work out, and if you're not working out, what the fuck are you doing on this subreddit?-- that's how important it is. You educate yourself to satisfy your intellectual nature, but as you are still human you need to exercise to satisfy your beastly nature.

              [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 5 points6 points  (3 children)

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              It's funny, that this pop ups here just now.

              The following might sound a little bit awkward...

              Since I worked on my appearance, lost over 40 pounds and recieved many compliments for my look from high smv women I am struggling with giving attention to ugly women. Never had that problem before.

              To overcome my approach anxiety I made it a rule to try to make eyecontact with anybody I meet anywhere and try to "dominate" them, so basically don't be the one to look away first.

              I found it hard to do this with ugly chicks the past two weeks because I am somehow scared to make them want me. The thought alone makes me cringe everytime and I quickly look away. Worst is, when they smile at me. I just cannot force myself to keep the eyecontact.

              Anybody else experienced this kind of behavoiur on oneself?

              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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              Yup. I avoid talking to ugly girls who I know want me.

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              Yea. With chicks I don't want, I find myself acting a bit more beta. It's a bad habit I need to fix, since even ugly chicks can increase your smv if they are seen wanting you.

              [–]SIK_KUNT 12 points13 points  (24 children)

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              except for a man body language and tone are how are you portray SMV..

              I would say its more analagous to a high SMV guy going up to a girl and saying "I would bury my dick so far up your ass whoever pulled out would be crowned the new King Arthur", girl responds well and they hit off and end up fucking 20 minutes later. Low SMV guy hears what he says and saw the reaction it got so he goes and tries the same line except he's fidgety, with terrible posture and stutters and mumbles his way through the line whilst staring at her feet and is thus met with a slap and a drink to the face.

              [–]rotzooi 7 points8 points  (23 children)

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              except for a man body language and tone are how are you portray SMV..

              That's what OP is saying. A shitty body with (emulated) confident body language isn't attractive. By lifting a bit, that same emulated confident body language will start to be perceived as attractive, because the body more closely matches the body language.

              [–]SIK_KUNT -5 points-4 points  (22 children)

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              I disagree, women are attracted to confidence, a large part of lifting is giving you that confidence that is engrained into your very soul. If a skinny guy had that kind of true confidence he would still be able to portray it and pull chicks.

              I'm not saying don't lift because if it came down to it and she had to choose between two guys dropping sick game she would choose the more physically attractive one (most of the time) but it's not the end all be all of SMV.

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                [–]mrheh 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                Dude they do, I live in NYC and see it all the time. Women values are different then ours and they care about more than looks. If you project type A boss attitude and be cool you can get any women no matter how shitty you look. Never ever fuckin doubt yourself no matter how fat and ugly you are because that's not in the top 5 things women care about.

                [–]a-ko 8 points9 points  (18 children)

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                I completely disagree with you on this one. There is no way a 'confident' out of shape guy can pull that with women. It doesn't happen. Been there, done that. I'm well-educated, carry an ever-increasing game, well-off financially and only going higher--and I can guarantee you, without fail; that if I tried to pull something as blatant as that it would not work.

                Why? Because I've got a belly and skinny arms.

                [–]mrheh 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                Dude you couldn't be more wrong. I highly recommend you google the black philip show and give it a listen.

                [–]Ragu35[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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                Patrice had value that the average fat dude could never come close to. He was a famous comedian who hung out with big names, had connections, and didn't take shit from anybody because he didn't need to.

                The average guy isn't going to get that kind of social proof unless he works at it. Patrice was good, but Dante (his co host) was 100x better at getting women. He was the male stripper of the year 7 years in a row. Dude slept with 2000+ women. He had a SMV that was ridiculous and 99% of it was based on his looks. Now he's kind of fat, but back in his prime he was an absolute beast.

                [–]mrheh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                Fair enough but you guys are saying fat guys can never get hot girls which is false. With the right amount of confidence and humor you can get any chick.

                [–]SIK_KUNT -5 points-4 points  (14 children)

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                Why? Because I've got a belly and skinny arms.

                and that attitude right there is why it's not happening man, can't view yourself like that and expect a high SMV woman not to pick up on that vibe.

                [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (8 children)

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                Why is this "it's all confidence" bullshit permeating TRP?

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                  [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                  Just approach 100 sets to get yourself into state!

                  [–]mrheh -1 points0 points  (5 children)

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                  How so? Being a fuckin man and acting like a boss even if your a fat fuck will get you women, period. I see this shit all the time and I always nod my head to a fat dude with a hot chick. It's all about confidence and knowing that womens values system of men is not based upon looks.

                  [–]punis1 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                  It's all about confidence ($$$)

                  [–]mrheh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  You will never get into the mind of a women with just cash, you need to dominate her mentally.

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                  Being a fuckin man and acting like a boss even if your a fat fuck

                  Generally speaking the former two are mutually exclusive from the latter -- specifically that their existence will/should act to eliminate said fatfuckery.

                  The guys you're nodding to are probably pulling at least six figures.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                  I see this shit all the time

                  Never see this. Unless it's when the guy has a markedly higher status.

                  [–]mrheh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                  In all fairness I live in nyc

                  [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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                  This is why I don't like TRP's glorification of men.

                  We do the same thing women do. It's just that the "threshold" for a fuckable man is higher than the threshold for a fuckable woman.

                  [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                  This is why I don't like TRP's glorification of men.

                  Please tell me what you're sniffing. Seeing as everyone else is demeaning men, there has to be a counter-force SOMEWHERE, even if it's a tiny little recess of the internet with just a few thousand participants.

                  We do the same thing women do.

                  Yeah everyone has standards and judges, no shit, we don't compile a list of requirements so long and specific it sounds like something out of a fucking movie though.

                  I agree with the last part of your post.

                  [–]12ToneRow 7 points8 points  (11 children)

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                  I get where OP is coming from but I've met plenty of women who take it too far. For example, I was chatting with this petite blond after class a few years back and one of my male classmates approaches and asks some questions about the homework. He is/was at the bottom of the totem pole physically and socially and the girl was visibly distraught. He finally went on his way after a while. She turned to me and started saying things like, "So creepy..." "I was like, yeah I really don't want to fuck you buddy(referring to my classmate)" It was like she was offended that the guy breathed the same air as her.

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                  Why couldn't she have some class and simply not find him attractive and leave it at that? I've seen it said that women will label a fella "creepy" as a sort of warning to other women, that's bad enough. Quite why a man should get some social stigma simply because he may not be the most attractive person is beyond me.

                  [–]HitlersCow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                  It's a common shaming tactic for daring to approach her. Also a warning shame to other women that: this man is below me. This is an ego-boost.

                  They've said a whole lot with one word, and it is ambiguous enough for plausible deniability.

                  [–]rztzz 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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                  Totally agree. Women are meaner to ugly Guys

                  [–]12ToneRow 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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                  There's a difference between rejecting the advances of an unattractive person and feeling insulted at their existence. He wasn't even hitting on her.

                  [–]gstvtrp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  I've seen this a lot as well and it's happened to me. Even with girls I wasn't talking directly to.

                  [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                  What a bitch! I wonder how she would feel if she was treated like that?

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                  Haha I do that too. I visibly make myself look uncomfortable when talking to low SMV girls.

                  It's to subconsciously signal to other people "I realize that I'm way hotter than she is, I'm talking to her out of necessity".

                  That's probably what she was doing. Signaling that she is aware of the SMV disparity.

                  [–]12ToneRow 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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                  That doesn't make you look alpha. That makes you look like a vain asshole.

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                  You look like a twat also. I mean really? "signalling " you know you're better than this person is hilarious

                  [–]Banger44 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                  Things that didn't happen for 100.

                  [–]MotorcycleMann 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Yeah I getcha, there was a huge mexican girl putting the moves on me and I thought it was kind of creepy.

                  That bodybuilding post is hilarious!

                  [–]JohnnK 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                  I disagree. I've never got a 'creepy' feeling from any female who's come on to me regardless of how attractive or unattractive they are. I think the creepy thing is a female thing TBH.

                  [–]Ragu35[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  I'm not saying that unattractive girls creep out guys. I'm saying that when guys that a girl doesn't find attractive does something, it's "creepy" to them, and to understand what that feeling is like, I made a parallel to what it's like to see an ugly chick try to be seductive.

                  [–]PlusGoody 12 points13 points  (30 children)

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                  As long as you're not actually BEING a creep by an objective measure, why would you care if someone else thinks you're creepy? Life is too short to worry about the opinions of people who have no power over you. That guy "pulling a dime" certainly doesn't. Lift because it feels great to be healthy, not to change people's minds about you.

                  [–]Nachooooooo 39 points40 points  (18 children)

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                  because if women don't perceive you as a creep there is more chance of you being successful with them

                  [–]rebuildingMyself 23 points24 points  (0 children)

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                  And not getting a drink poured on you 30 seconds before the bouncer "escorts" you out of the club.

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                    [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (9 children)

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                    Sounds like you're measuring your value by how "successful" you are with women. How about living life for yourself instead of for validation from the most shallow group of people on planet earth?

                    You are aware that a large part of TRP's focus is on sexual strategy, right?

                    You should go to another subreddit if you don't want to talk about sexual strategy.

                    edit: spelling

                    [–]_JustKnight_ 12 points13 points  (7 children)

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                    Not caring what women think is perhaps the most solid "sexual strategy" advice you'll ever get.

                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                    Knowing what women think is the most vital aspect of any (hetero)sexual strategy, so you should care somewhat.

                    Not caring what women think is very solid life advice, but won't get you far without other important lessons -- take care of/improve yourself and the girls will come.

                    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

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                    So do you show up to bars in sweatpants and bed hair? Since you don't care about what women think?

                    [–]DoctorsHateHim 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                    Pathetic straw man..

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                      [–]_JustKnight_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                      No I am not retarded enough to shoot myself in the foot like that but let me clarify my point. Knowing != caring.

                      Sure looking good and having other positive qualities helps but obsessing over other's perception of you doesn't. The guy concerned with what others think of him is very rarely the same guy that does not give a fuck weather a girl will reject him or not and makes a bold move in front of a girl's mom. Guess what kinda guy gets more pussy?

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                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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                        More MGTOW being pushed on my TRP?

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                          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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                          Your mistake is assuming responses from women aren't valuable feedback. You said it yourself --

                          analyzing and understanding male/female relations

                          women are 50% of the equation.

                          [–]www777com 15 points16 points  (1 child)

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                          This is actually key to not being creepy. When I was the consummate gentleman and very concerned about not being creepy, I ended up being creepy to women. When I became selfish and gave no fucks about being creepy, I stopped being creepy to women.

                          [–]mrheh 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                          Yep, for some reason the more you treat them like ugly fat bitches the more they want to impress you.

                          [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

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                          Because reputation matters a shitload with social circles

                          [–]2lightfire409 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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                          I suspect this is the reason men have evolved approach anxiety over hot women. If she labels you as a creeper, she'll tell her friends which in the past was all the women in the town.

                          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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                          Yup, yup, and yup. Displaying overt sexual interest when your SMV isn't high enough hurts you within a group. Fortunately, that doesn't really matter in clubs and bars.

                          [–]1PaulRivers10 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                          Yeah, it lowers your SMV via social proof. If you meet new people and they've already "heard" about you being a creep, and now you have to be extra beta to "prove" you're not a creep - which may makes them think you're not a creep, but just not attractive.

                          Plus a lot of times it's difficult to disprove, or to track back to who's saying it.

                          One of the principles of Game is that women want to date who all their friends want to date. Getting a reputation for being "creepy" means that rather than being jealous of her, all of her friends will look down on her for dating you, the "creepy" guy.

                          [–]Piroko 24 points25 points  (3 children)

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                          why would you care if someone else thinks you're creepy?

                          Because police carry guns and are increasingly anxious to use them.

                          [–]Pyrocyde -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

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                          Have an up vote.

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                            [–]major_tom38 5 points6 points  (4 children)

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                            Everybody seems to have this friend who is ugly and pulled chicks but I've never actually had a conversation with one of them.

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                              [–]major_tom38 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                              But don't you think it's odd that whenever the subject of looks comes up everyone always has this 'friend' whose fat and gets tons of chicks? Or like 'the best slayer I know is this 50 year old bald guy who pulls 21 year old in clubs.' It's probably more often a coping mechanism.

                              [–]1PaulRivers10 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                              But don't you think it's odd that whenever the subject of looks comes up everyone always has this 'friend' whose fat and gets tons of chicks?

                              Lol, that's huge projection.

                              Don't you think it's odd that every time the subject of male attractiveness comes up, there's always someone whining it's because the guy isn't good looking enough, despite numerous real life examples otherwise?

                              Again and again it seems like it's a coping mechanism - they don't have the social skills or ability to create social status that they need to get girls, so they cope by telling themselves it's all about genetically-based looks - something they can't control.

                              Looks sure as hell help, but they're just not as important to women as other things are. The fact that there are overweight or ugly male celebrities that don't have a problem getting laid doesn't mean it's easy for overweight ugly average guys, but it does show that something is more important than looks for women. There's simply no amount of status that would make Kathy Bates attractive to men. None. Zero. We don't care. Whereas Danny Devito still gets laid.

                              Of course if Danny Devito looked like Ryan Gosling, I'm sure it would be easier for him. But there's no amount of celebrity status that's going to get Kathy Bates to move up to do-able.

                              [–]sir_wankalot_here 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                              You answered your own question.

                              But he had style, charisma, balls

                              I have a friend who is married and has a wife and usually 4 plus GF at a time who are usually in their twenties. He isn't rich, he is slightly over weight, over 50 and average looks. The guy is ultra red pill to the point of being abusive. If he tells a GF to meet him at 10, and she is ten minutes late he nexts her.

                              He is extremely charming, eloquent and highly intelligent. Possibly these skills can be learned. So what he lacks in physical appearance he makes up for it in other areas.

                              For most men the advice of lifting weights is probably more practical :-)

                              [–]mrheh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                              I actually had a day dream about the "creep vibe" yesterday and figured out it was all based on value/looks and exposes women for the shallow holes they are. Think of it like this, Imagine you're Brad Pitt walking down the street surrounded by women, you select on and start dating her, she will tell everyone that it's true love because out of everyone he chose you, Being brad pitt you agree because as guys for some reason we play along with there bullshit. So now she has her true love and because you selected her. Now say your Brad jones the plumber and you walked up to a women and just said hi randomly but nicely, she would 9/10 times egh sorry, or ignore you. Where's the at of all the women you selected me mentality? it isnt there, the best way to get over this hump is be creative and have some kind of silly fairy tale approach and she will fall for that nonsense, give her a story to be apart of. Also it's only a creep vibe if you don't succeed, if you succeed then you have courage, "swag", game, "something about you" whatever excuse they make up for being honest with themselves for sleeping with you.

                              [–]Blue942 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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                              What does SMV stand for?

                              [–]Ragu35[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                              Sexual market value.

                              [–]Blue942 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                              I see, thank you.

                              [–]siqniz 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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                              This lift sh*t needs to stop. I lift and have been constantly for the last 3 yrs. If you're fat, lift. If you aren't you simply need to get out get more experience

                              [–]Ragu35[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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                              Yeah you're right, I totally forgot about how nobody is new to this sub and how everybody's been lifting for years.

                              [–]siqniz 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                              I'm not trying to be funny. If your body is in total disarray, you need to lift. However lifting doesn't solve everything, I staarting meditatiing, learning Spanish and traveling. We as man have to multi-faceted and eat the L's. After you have you'll get it

                              [–]Ragu35[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                              Alright, I get you now. I'm just a big promoter of physical attractiveness, which is why I talk so highly of lifting. It's such an easy way to make yourself better.

                              But learning other things and being well rounded is definitely important too. I'm totally for that.

                              [–]siqniz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                              I understand, however lifting isn't the be all end all. you need to keep your body manly at all times and be well versed in other subjects. Its we as men need to do. Thats all

                              [–]Mayoyayo 2 points3 points  (10 children)

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                              I was under the impression that lifting made your face look better as well, as you move closer to ideal body fat percentage. Anyways thats what I noticed in myself.

                              Also if you get plastic surgery fo your face, youre a bitch. That face is your ancestors legacy, and youre gonna be ashamed of it?

                              Theres no such thing as an ugly guy. Its a guy with too much fat or too little, or his wallet is too small etc etc

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                              Theres no such thing as an ugly guy. Its a guy with too much fat or too little, or his wallet is too small etc etc

                              feel good bullshit mate.

                              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

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                              Well, there are ugly guys, but they're exceedingly rare.

                              [–]MagicGainbow 4 points5 points  (5 children)

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                              Look at Kissinger ugly as hell but has probably gotten more quality pussy then even the best of us ever will.

                              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

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                              ....he's also Kissinger.

                              SMV=Looks + Status + whatever else

                              [–]MagicGainbow 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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                              Exactly, looks are not the be all end a ll if you have have massive worth/prestige in other areas.

                              [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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                              No one said looks are everything...

                              [–]MagicGainbow 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                              Just saying yes there are ugly guys but that's no excuse.

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                              ...k

                              [–]luxury_banana 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                              I was under the impression that lifting made your face look better as well, as you move closer to ideal body fat percentage. Anyways thats what I noticed in myself.

                              It can if you're significantly out of shape, sure. You may drop fat off of your face which will show the bone structure better. It still won't change that bone structure if it's not attractive.

                              [–]Mayoyayo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                              Im gonna need to see examples of guys in top shape, but are "ugly"

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                                Game doesn't mean shit if your SMV is abysmally low.

                                If you feel ugly then you will be ugly. If you fel like you have value and know it, you will.

                                The fuck is this self-help bullshit?

                                Edit: Confidence can help you insofar as it helps you gain status.

                                [–]Ragu35[S] 3 points4 points  (10 children)

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                                Well I think that's more of a confidence thing which is important but you can have all the confidence on the world but if you look like a burn victim you're not gonna get far

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                                  [–]Dan-Man 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                  I really don't know what I just read here. The value of these sorts of discussions is lost on me. It seems to be all talk and opposing opinion. Which is distracting from the common truths which we should be focusing on.

                                  [–]draketton 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                  if you look like a literal burn victim you'll do fine

                                  if you look like an average man with no deformities but a huge gut, terrible skin care, etc. you're not getting any

                                  [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 4 points5 points  (5 children)

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                                  If you are truly confident you don't have a low SMV and won't be considered a creep. That will go hand in hand with your overall look and appearance.

                                  Even if you are an ugly fat bastard you will have an overall charisma and, well, let's call it aura just to have some definition. Or you will at least be rich as fuck. Just look at Kim Schmitz/Dotcom.

                                  If you are just a fedora tippin neckbeard and have nothing else to offer you will still be creepy to most higher value women, no matter of how confident you behave.

                                  [–]abXcv 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                                  Yeah everybody knows one of those guys who doesn't have much going for him (short, chubby, weak facial features), but who has a magnetic personality, all the guys think he is fun to be around, all the girls love being with him - it gives him lots of pre-selection bonuses.

                                  And everybody knows the quiet, built, handsome guy, who just comes off as either shy, or an aloof arrogant prick, because he doesn't have the personality to match his looks.

                                  [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                                  So the ugly guy pulls using status. Nothing new.

                                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                                  If you are truly confident you don't have a low SMV

                                  Ah, yes, guys. SMV isn't a combination of looks and status.

                                  It's just confidence.

                                  Confidence=SMV.

                                  You heard it here first.

                                  [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                                  Maybe I formulated this a little bit fuzzy.

                                  I meant that there is no true confidence without anything behind. Wether it's look, status, money, charisma, etc.

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                                    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (6 children)

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                                    Sounds like you should go back to Seddit buddy.

                                    In the end, we men know what makes a person "hot" is his mental capacity and his contribution.

                                    ...okay. Guess Ryan Gosling's out of a job now.

                                    Any of those models would cower like little bitches in my presence.

                                    ok

                                    [–]weirdinternetstalker 8 points9 points  (2 children)

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                                    With good game a dude could snatch those dumb sluts

                                    Why do I have the sneaking feeling that bagging any old chick is a demonstration of "good game". You have a strangely negative attitude. Almost a caricature of what you think is "alpha".

                                    you can completely change your perception of yourself

                                    That's ALL you're changing. Just like an ugly women is still ugly to you even if she has a good attitude. You can still be fucking ugly to a woman even if she likes your confidence.

                                    In the end, we men know what makes a person "hot" is his mental capacity and his contribution

                                    You sound like one of those fat acceptance chicks.

                                    You gotta hit the gym bro!

                                    [–]iamnotmatthawkins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                    Great observation! Reminds me of the SNL skit with Tom Brady. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f76_1323277426

                                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                    I'd argue working on the contents of your wallet and assorted pricey status symbols yields better results than working on ones physique considering the effort required, UNLESS you go the steroids et al route, which will get you desired/desirable results quickly (in a single cycle for most), making the investment/return ratio very worthwhile.

                                    [–]newpopehere1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                    One thing you missed is that if a guy acts beta, needy, supplicating the girl would ditch him in a sec, even if the girl was after him before.

                                    [–]Kharn0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                    I've noticed this in some male co-workers. They'll do/try/say something that I've done while flirting to female co-workers but then get confused when instead of getting the playful, flirty reaction that I get, they get told they are creepy, weird and that if it continues will be reported as harassment.

                                    The difference between me and them? I hit the gym, have good hygiene, know how to read body language and social cues. Oh, and I do more than talk about anime and stupid shit on youtube.

                                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                    That makes it sooo much easier. When you have nothing to go on, being called a creep, makes it sound like creep is something innate. Something you can't change about you.

                                    Now, you should know that when you feel repulsed by fatties, girls feel that way about creeps. Its a simple matter of not liking you.

                                    Now that you know it, you can change it. Work out, grow some fucking masseters on your face. Facial aesthetics ftw bitch. And then do your little shit. I'll bet you, 90% of the bitches callin you a creep, won't be doing that shit anymore.

                                    unless you're socially inept. Which is entirely fine, you'll gain social experience as you go along. Just, don't keep doing bluepill over the hill sweet shit. That is just frowned upon over here at trp.

                                    [–]hpsterscum 0 points1 point  (7 children)

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                                    100% honest girl here. I agree with most TRP advice but I do NOT find bodybuilders attractive. I think they're actually quite scary. Every girl has her own preferences and in China some girls tell their boyfriends to stop working out because they like them skinny. Personally I think the perfect balance is a soccer player: toned but not huge.

                                    [–]Ragu35[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                                    I'm not saying that bodybuilders are the 100% most attractive hands down. But those soccer players all had to lift to look like that. Body builders just took 5 levels above. Point is to get in shape.

                                    Also, as a side note, I would really suggest not mentioning that you're a girl before posting. I'm not going to go into detail and I'm not sure if I can link to other threads but there's reasons why. Whatever you have to say can be said just as well without mentioning that you're a girl.

                                    [–]cascadecombo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                                    Whatever you have to say can be said just as well without mentioning that you're a girl.

                                    exactly, tits or gtfo

                                    [–]cascadecombo 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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                                    Who ever said become a body builder? lifting can create many different types of bodies. Lifting in itself promotes a healthier lifestyle which then will let those who maintain their bodies live longer healthier lives, as well as slow the aging process.

                                    Edit:soccer players lift too, you know that right?

                                    [–]hpsterscum 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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                                    Hey all I meant was that it's not necessary to become HUGE. Of course lifting is healthy and makes you look better overall. Btw some professional soccer players don't lift at all; but that was not my point.

                                    [–]cascadecombo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                                    Btw some professional soccer players don't lift at all;

                                    If they're pro, I'd be hard pressed to believe they don't lift at all especially various leg muscles. Have any sources for that?

                                    [–]hpsterscum 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                                    Alexi Lalas never did but he is an exception. Most athletes do lift, I know.

                                    [–]cascadecombo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                    Man, I used to have a poster of that guy in my room. And my google-fu only seemed to prove you right about that.

                                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                    I am a LoneArab, hence my SMV is automatically low unless I grow a kick-ass beard, and rock a jacked body.

                                    [–]pounds_not_dollars 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                    What's SMV again?

                                    [–]esperanzablanca 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                                    Im investing in my teeth, mainly for myself but is working to improve the smv too. Orthodontics is a good investment, together with lift, exercise, etc