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[–]BluepillProfessor 150 points151 points  (23 children)

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The book The Way of the Superior Male explains Shit Tests in a different way but the response is the same:

The most erotic moment for a woman is feeling that you are Shiva, the divine masculine: imperturbable, totally loving, fully present, and all-pervading. She cannot move you, because you already are what you are, with or without her. She cannot scare you away, because you already penetrate her in fearless love, pervading her heart and body. She cannot distract you, because your one-pointed commitment to truth will not bend to her wiles. Feeling this hugeness of love and freedom in you, she can trust you, utterly, and surrender her testing in celebration of love. Until she wants to feel you as Shiva again. And then the testing will begin anewanew. In fact, it is precisely when you are most Shiva-like that she will most test you. Perhaps you have been working toward some financial goal, and finally you have succeeded. After months or years of effort, you have creatively earned a large amount of money. You feel happy, full, and successful. You feel great. You come home to your woman and want to share the news with her. "I just made a million dollars today." "That's nice." "That's nice!!?? You know how hard I've been working for this." "I know. It feels like I haven't seen you in months. Did you remember to pick up the milk on the way home?" "Oh, sorry" I forgot. But who cares? We could buy a dairy farm now?" "I asked you to pick up the milk three times this morning, and I put a note on your briefcase. How could you forget?" "I said I'm sorry. Look, I'll go get the damn milk..." Why is she being this way? Because she simply wants to deflate your success? No. She is challenging you because your success doesn't mean **** to her, unless you are free and loving. And if you are free and loving, nothing she says can collapse you. She wants to feel you are uncollapsable, so she pokes you in your weak spot. Of course she knows how much this moment of success means to you. This is precisely why she is negating it. Not because she wants to hurt you. But because she wants to feel Shiva. She wants to feel your strength. She wants to feel that your happiness is not dependent on her response, nor on you making a million dollars. She wants to feel you are a superior man."

Of course the answer is agree and amplify, ignore the test, and change the topic! Grab her in your arms, pin her to the couch and say: "You want cream, I will get you some cream."

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    [–]1KyfhoMyoba 8 points9 points  (2 children)

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    You are/were right. She would never change no matter how much you made. So we know that your income level and any change therein is insufficient to change her. I see that you have found something that was sufficient to change her. Care to share?

    [–]anymanusa 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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    What works? Applied RP, foremost to myself (inner game, personal development, male relationships, etc), then applied dread game from a position of true strength and enhanced SMV.

    EDIT: I also started making approaches to build confidence and have fun with women while out on my own, and will chat up women when with my wife so that she sees my value.

    [–]SgtBrutalisk 7 points8 points  (4 children)

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    If a woman can't love you for who you truly are, beneath all the status symbols, then fuck her.

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      [–]SgtBrutalisk 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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      I worded myself poorly, but I will let it stand.

      [–]anymanusa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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      Haha, good luck with that. It is up to you to be more valuable than the status crap. You need to make yourself the status symbol, and that is mostly not about money (money is just a by-product in many cases). Once that is done, the nagging may abate. If not, then fuck her.

      [–]ProjectShamrock 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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      As a trader, this mindset even damaged my ability to make money (trading is all about mindset: 90% zen, 10% smarts).

      This is probably a better thing for /r/investing but what type of investing do you do? I'm looking to expand my money and used to do a lot of options trading but would make like one really great buy and sell it for a huge increase, but then lose a lot of it over the next several transactions and only be a little better off than I was before. In general, I've stopped doing much trading because it all seems rigged.

      [–]anymanusa 7 points8 points  (2 children)

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      It's not rigged, but it's a zero-sum game with a very small number of winners. My advice is to focus on making money through earnings rather than the market. Trading consistently well is a near impossibility for 999/1000 people, and the winners are professionals. It's not something you can do with less than a full-time focus, and even then only a small fraction succeed. Just stack cash the old-fashioned way.

      [–]ProjectShamrock 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      It's not rigged, but it's a zero-sum game with a very small number of winners.

      I assume with HFT and the like, the rest of us are kind of screwed since we're second-class traders at best.

      My advice is to focus on making money through earnings rather than the market.

      You mean through dividends? For example, something I've held onto for years specifically because of good dividends despite it being a piece of crap is ARR. However, I've always taken the money and put it into other stocks because it's a piece of crap and too risky for me to want to put a lot of money into.

      Trading consistently well is a near impossibility for 999/1000 people, and the winners are professionals. It's not something you can do with less than a full-time focus, and even then only a small fraction succeed.

      That's pretty much what I've ended up doing at this point. Obviously my retirement accounts are the bulk of my money in the stock market and that's in a couple of 401Ks and an IRA. However, I do have an account for trading out there from when I was heavily into options, and have some individual stocks I've held onto from there.

      Thanks for the advice.

      [–]martypete 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      /r/bitcoin

      400,000% growth in 4 years is nothing to shake a stick at.

      cue the downvotes by economic blue pillers scared of what they dont understand.

      [–]UnimpressedAsshole 45 points46 points  (7 children)

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      The eye of Shiva is the third eye. It is pure awareness, a detached observance. No judgment. No reaction and that doesn't mean there is no response but the response is rooted in truth which makes it rational-- purposeful, mindful, and effective.

      Shiva is also the unmanifest, whereas Shakti (the divine feminine) is the manifest. As the unmanifest, Shiva is pure potentiality.

      [–]harigeorgeson 18 points19 points  (2 children)

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      "And he who has considered all the contrasts on this earth, and is no more disturbed by anything whatever in the world, the Peaceful One, freed from rage, from sorrow, and from longing, he has passed beyond birth and decay."

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      Oh wow, am I being vain or cocky in saying that I've always thought of myself this way. I had a really shitty elementary and high school life, I had depression and an early existential crisis. One day, I felt like I fully realized what reality really is and that we are simply humans, animals, bumbling about in life and life is scary.

      [–]tylertgbh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I fully realized what reality really is and that we are simply humans, animals, bumbling about in life

      A bit after I started smoking weed, this is almost spot on the conclusion i drew about society/humanity. It's changed my outlook on life considerably.

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        [–]1KyfhoMyoba 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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        The Way of the Superior Man by David Deida

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          [–]autowikibot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Hindu deities:


          Hinduism is the dominant religion of the Indian subcontinent. It comprises three major traditions, Shaivism, Vaishnavism and Shaktism, whose followers considered Shiva, Vishnu and Shakti (also called as Devi) to be the supreme deity respectively. Most of the other deities were either related to them or different forms (incarnations) of these deities. Hinduism has been called the "oldest religion" in the world, and many practitioners refer to Hinduism as "the eternal law". (Sanātana Dharma). Given below is a list of the chief Hindu deities followed by a list of Hindu deities (including demi-gods).

          Image from article i


          Interesting: Shiva | Hinduism | Hanuman | Deva (Hinduism)

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          [–]theozoph -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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          Formating, man.

          [–]InsanityManifest 19 points20 points  (4 children)

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          My takeaway.

          1. A&A is best used with coy shit tests. She's playing like she's on the edge, you push her over and laugh. "Are you a player?" is a good example of a coy shit test.
          2. Change the subject. If you've got nothing to work with, change the subject quickly. Some girls just throw out shit-tests you can't play around with, "Are you hitting one me?" If you fall into it, she'll just string you along until a better guy comes along. if you say "no", then she can reject you at will.
          3. Ignore her shit test. This one is for Shit Tests that are disrespectful. These are harder to spot as women are very good at slipping these in with subtlety. An easy one is, "Why are you hitting on me?"
          4. Pressure Flip. This is when you sense projection or her trying to make you qualify yourself. Flipping the pressure back on her forces her to either continue or disengage. "What do you do for a living?" or "You're only talking to me because I've got a nice ass."
          5. The Nuclear Option. I've noticed that you need a little humor with the nuke or it can blow up in your face (i.e. if she rallies her friends or others to have her back). If you can't get everyone else to laugh or at least agree on some level with you, all you've done is make a faux pas in public. I've actually made the nuclear option my go to in bars. Find the hottest female, flirt, and then reject her. The rest of the women will be all over you and she'll try to re-establish her place in the hierarchy by getting the one who rejected her.

          So, in other words, the standard shit-tests are; playing coy, being non-reciprocating in the interaction (passive), disrespect, pressure to qualify, and un-attainability. The key to remember is that all of these assume that the frame of the interaction is that you want her. If you can re-frame her shit-tests to mean something different, her brain will rationalize her shit-tests as desire, rather than as evaluation of fitness.

          [–]LibertarianLibertine 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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          Do you have an example for the nuke? I fear I'd just sound bitter and bitchy

          [–]Snivellious 18 points19 points  (0 children)

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          The key point about a nuclear response is that you can't care when you deliver it. Saying "Oh yeah, well you're a stuck up bitch who's not as hot as she thinks!" is hostile, but you're clearly still deeply involved and talking to her on equal/adversarial terms. The way to not sound bitter is to make it clear that you're not engaging with her enough to have emotions or continue the conversation.

          A "nuclear" response requires showing that she doesn't get to engage with you as an equal, which makes it extremely situational. Also, the "audience" matters a lot. No one has ever had a productive or winning conversation with 15 angry people at a bar.


          If she's young-looking at a bar: "Hey, why are you here on a school night? Isn't it past your bedtime?" Depending on delivery, might not be nuclear.

          If she's indignant/yelling about something you've already said: "Stop that. Red's an ugly color on you, especially when it's your face."

          If she accuses you of being shallow: "You're right, so I'm wasting my time talking to a 4." Go talk to someone else or leave.

          If she has a burger or some other meal in front of her: "I'm surprised you're so grumpy on your cheat night. Wait, that's all of them, isn't it."

          Note that most of these don't have to end the conversation if they're delivered softly or she decides to laugh and play along. Nuclear can go much harsher, but the more vicious it is the easier it is to end up looking like the bad guy. Example:

          If she's on the older side of things: "You shouldn't be so hostile, you're running out of time to have someone put a baby in you."

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          "Are you hitting on me?" --> smug shrug half amused smirk "pretty cool band playing tonight, you ever heard them?"

          "why are you hitting on me?" --> "I don't hit women"

          "You're only talking to me because I have a nice ass" --> "Nah, I hate butts.. I only talk to girls with nice ear lobes"

          [–]whyalwaysm3 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          These honestly sound corny as hell lmao

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            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            Yeah you get plenty in here who read the posts and jump on the woman hating train.. neck beards circle jerking about bitches and bro talk.

            The sidebar material is where the meta understanding comes from, and the true power of TRP

            [–]icanteventhecat 12 points13 points  (2 children)

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            I've been making a conscious effort to agree and amplify for several months now. I cannot believe the overwhelmingly positive reactions I get for saying the dumbest shit. What really gets me is that of all women this works on, it works on my mom best. Why didn't I learn this growing up!? I could have avoided hundreds of arguments.

            [–]FinalEquin0x 21 points22 points  (1 child)

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            As still a teenager in a household I can totally vouch for this.

            "Name, why don't you clean your room when I ask you, too?"

            "Cuz mom, I'm the laziest child ever"

            Cue shit-eating grin, mom chuckles back at me.

            I still have to clean my room eventually, it's just an easy way to lighten the mood an avoid conflict.

            [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 35 points36 points  (14 children)

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            A good rule of thumb for beginners dealing with shit tests is to respond with anything other than the direct question being asked. There are good and bad responses to every shit test, but the worst one is directly answering with unhumoured honesty. It shifts the frame to her level of discourse, and often puts you on the defensive. Examples of questions never to answer directly:

            "Were you checking out that girl?"

            "Is sex the most important thing to you/all you ever think about?"

            "How come you never do X for me?"

            Treat her question with all the seriousness of a 3 year old asking the question. Ignore, deflect, A&A all work because you are not directly engaging her as an equal. Because she is not, and never wants to be. You are her leader, and her shit tests are her way of finding out if you're her superior or her inferior.

            [–]RedSpectrum 8 points9 points  (12 children)

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            Could you give me a good response to each of those questions?

            [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 26 points27 points  (5 children)

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            Assuming you don't just ignore her, or deflect with a topic change or a pressure flip, you can always use Agree and Amplify:

            "Were you checking out that girl?"

            Yeah, I was thinking I could totally rock those heels better than her

            "Is sex the most important thing to you/all you ever think about?"

            Yep! They're even doing a documentary on me on the Learning Channel about sex addictions.

            "How come you never do X for me?"

            Didn't I buy you McDonalds the other day? Pretty sure I did. (Note: this is one that is best dealt with by ignoring or topic change)

            [–]RedSpectrum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            Thanks!

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            Bad one for q3. Would have gone with: "You probably don't deserve it." When answered quickly, this has less bite than if answered slowly. It also keeps you from being dragged into the swamp and beaten with the club-of-1000-banal-wants. Instead, the conversation flows into what she deserves, a topic you have far more control over.

            [–]enticingasthatmaybe 10 points11 points  (2 children)

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            You probably don't deserve it.

            This is butthurty and puts her on the defensive, therefore a bad response to a shit test.

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            Theory crafting is fine and all, but these are all mostly out of context one-liners. It really depends on what the relationship and the frame you've been working in dictates.

            [–]enticingasthatmaybe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            Yeah I get that we can beat it to death on paper and never get anywhere. Personally, I would treat "How come you never do X for me?" as a show of disrespect and respond in kind with "Stop being a brat" or "are you done?".

            Then give her 30 seconds to stop or she gets a soft next.

            [–]BluepillProfessor 16 points17 points  (4 children)

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            Were you checking out that girl?

            Agree and amplify: Come on, you know I check out everybody. Look at the boobs on that one over there (might backfire and will certainly not end the shit test so be prepared).

            Pressure Switch: Why are you watching me so close? Are you insecure in our relationship?

            Change topic/Ignore: Lets go....(wherever)

            Nuclear Option: Maybe if you lost some weight you would look like that.

            [–]CreepAcceptance 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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            Come on, you know I check out everybody.

            Drop this bit, no need to justify it to her by saying you check out everybody, that sounds quite defensive. Replace it with Yes/of course/you bet, then deliver the rest.

            [–]ProjectShamrock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            You can also mix tactics, such as responding to:

            Were you checking out that girl?

            You could easily just say, "Of course I did. What do you think of her ass?" It's somewhat of a combination of A&A and the Pressure Switch. This is combined with a tactic I use at work of providing a multi-pronged attack in a conversation that makes them unable to address more than one point, giving you the opportunity to press them harder in their response on the thing that they didn't respond to, making it look like they agree with you by default.

            [–]Draki1903 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            IMO Come up with something yourself and wait for comments

            [–]1User-31f64a4e 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            A shit test is a naked grab for power. It asserts the right to put you on the spot, demand answers and judge your responses. If she can get power in the conversation (and by extension, the relationship), then you are not an alpha. If you let her take the power here, how can you possibly be in a position of power over men? And if you can't be powerful, you can't have good sperm. Next!

            So a shit test is a test of dominance. Shit tests are about power.

            In one way or another, the responses above all refute her right to take control. They keep the power - the frame - in your control.

            When you see frame as ... being the decider (of what we will be discussing), then it all makes more sense. Note that much of the time, the normal ebb and flow of conversations - the way they drift - is just fine. Small talk about x is just as good as small talk about y. But when she throws a dominance move ... no way, got to maintain the frame (aka keep control, aka remain dominant.)

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              [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 22 points23 points  (16 children)

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              This definitely sums up my frustration with people asking for a script. "What do you say when she says this?" "How could I have handled that shit-test better?"

              You can work on acquiring a naturally alpha mind-set and attitude towards women. Trying so hard is the anti-thesis of a good response to a shit-test. A good answer to a shit isn't so much an answer... it just dismisses her authority to test you in the first place. Eventually, if you're putting in so much effort to think of a response or memorize your lines or second-guess yourself than you fail by default.

              The practice of imitating high-value men is as old as humanity. She can smell a pretender; she's constantly testing for them, and she despises them. And eventually, she will get a feel for you being one. The Red Pill is not about being a pretender.

              [–]SFofallplaces 24 points25 points  (0 children)

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              Well Jesus Christ. A few pointers can’t hurt nobody. How someone did it and lines are helpful because they can be memorized, reverse-engineered and then internalized / improvised.

              [–]Powerslap17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              First smart thing said here.

              [–]TheCastle 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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              The entire topic is something I find interesting but this puts the cherry on top. When thinking about the psychology of those who wish to turn this into a memorization Simon Says game. I wonder why this is not the most up voted response.

              On another side note, my learning about what shit tests are has caused me to get rather annoyed when I receive one that is out of place. Its a girls version of being a creeper to some extent and if its from someone I am not even remotely interested in even after making it damn clear I am not available it gets old pretty fast. At that point I basically resort to ignoring and probably end up looking more annoyed. I don't care about the situation but it does feel really fucking weird when I see it play out. You know? Like she is just behaving instinctively and I don't bother to explain this entire concept because fuck that however it would be nice to have a mature way to diffuse the situation and stop receiving shit tests. :/

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              Yeah but sample do help.

              Sure, if all someone wants is a "formula" then they're in trouble as soon as a slightly creative woman goes "off script".

              I think it possible to deconscruct "do i look fat" down into it's component parts, the reasoning behind the question and then build up from there into a workable mindset that lets a man deal with any question like this.

              But again, you're right, if all one wants is a good answer to "do I look fat" then they're thinking about it the wrong way. One decent answer may be, "I need to see you naked before I can tell" then just fuck her brains out. But what if she's holding HER frame and wants to pin you down to an actual answer. How you deal with that isn't going to come out of a script. It has to come from a stable place in your own head.

              Further, thinking that is easy to pass these tests is dangerous. It isn't easy to pass them, in fact it's really hard unless you truly understand what she it actually looking for. And in some ways once you've got that straight in your head the actual string of words you use becomes less important than your behavior. I believe a part of it, that isn't discussed too often, is that somewhere in your core you have to always be willing to let her go. Let her be mad. Let her walk out the door secure in knowing that you did what was best for a healthy relationship and if she can't accept that then walking is the best thing for both of you.

              In that context, sometimes the right answer is yes you do look fat, it's kinda a problem and I'd like you to try to lose some weight.

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                [–]Opioidus -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

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                Actually you haven't done anything as long as you sit here and talk about how ''you should understand the underlying essence, not memorize cheap tricks''. If you do actually get out of the house you know that monkeying back the canned materials and what you memorized is all you can do in real life interaction and the emotional hype of the moment. You can identify shitty advice by how abstract and impractical it is.

                [–]Gyaltso 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                I can identify that your advice is shitty

                [–]2RedPill4LYF 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                I'm impressed I was innately able to perform all of these shit-test counters all on my own directly after making the switch in my mentality not to seek approval.

                [–]saywhatagain 3 points4 points  (14 children)

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                What is a pressure flip? Can you give an example?

                [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 14 points15 points  (13 children)

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                Shit test: What kind of car do you drive?
                Pressure flip: "Nameofcarhowaboutyou?"

                The idea is you're not phased by the question and answer so quickly that now the spotlight is on her, all because you're flipping the script with haste.

                [–]1Modified_Hackware 52 points53 points  (12 children)

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                Used this the other day.

                I bet you have a small dick.

                That's cute. I know you have small tits, is that a padded bra as well?

                Mute silence whilst everyone stares at her.

                [–]smokeybehr 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                BOOM headtitshot...

                When they go nuclear like that, you've got to hit them right back. It helps if you can amplify: "I know you have small tits, is that a padded bra as well? Did you get that from (name of not-so-fashionable/cheap local store catering to tweens and teens)?"

                [–]portmantoux 12 points13 points  (3 children)

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                "It's enough for a shallow cunt like you"

                [–]1spicy_fries 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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                I kind of like this but responding with anger show them you've been hurt. Better to be unfazed and fire back.

                [–]portmantoux 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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                Tone and expression matter.

                [–]CreepAcceptance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                I prefer the slightly more ambiguous "yeah, what's why I only date shallow girls", or were I in the UK/Aus where the word cunt applies often to either girls and vaginas "yeah, perfect for shallow cunts".

                [–]CreepAcceptance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                My understanding of the pressure flip is also to switch it from a male/female perspective, and say something typically feminine, accompanied by a knowing smirk of course.

                I bet you have a small dick.

                Flattered you're thinking about my dick, but I'm not just a sex object you know. Women!

                With this approach I find you need to have already established a fairly strong presence for it before throwing out this heavy contrast. The contrast obviously is what makes it funny, you need an air of aloof arrogance to pull it off.

                [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 4 points5 points  (10 children)

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                This is a great post, man.

                Could you give a couple examples of the nuclear option?

                [–]Summertime_Dimes 36 points37 points  (9 children)

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                pre-TRP, but it was this kind of shit that caused me to take the Red the day I found out about it.

                Sitting by the keg at a party, few beers in. HB8/9 redhead walks out of the house towards the keg.

                Dimes: I really like your red hair.

                Red: (*loud as fuck) Are you one of those creepy lechers that only likes redheads.

                Dimes: smile and laugh. When I see a pretty girl I tell her she is pretty. Otherwise, I compliment her hair.

                I dated that chick for 4 years. Still friends. Don't ever take shit. Don't ever give a fuck. Some chick cuts you down for no reason like Red did, its just a test to gauge what you are made of. edit: a word and formatting

                [–]winnnnnnnnn 6 points7 points  (7 children)

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                Holy shxt that response is gold admitty after that she would've been nexted as when I preceive disrespect its my go to option because I have tons of pride and that type of shit doesn't fly with me, but man I'm stealing this/

                [–]Summertime_Dimes 5 points6 points  (6 children)

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                I am going to have to disagree slightly. I was a drunk dude at a party yelling at some strange chick. She is going to react with some vitriol, because she rightfully valued herself.

                I flipped that shit right back on her, and in the process earned some respect/let her know that I am not to be fucked with. Had she carried on with that nonsense, I would have hit next. But she smiled and laughed back, she knew she was the shit and that most dudes would have backed down from her. Always maintain that frame, but don't hit next based on one sour interaction. You might miss out on quality that just happens to have an awareness of their own value.

                [–]goscuter1 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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                Obnoxious is how quality aware of their own value expresses themselves?

                How is a girl valued? If we're not going to take marks off for antisocial behaviour?

                [–]Summertime_Dimes 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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                Its a personal judgment call, brah. In that moment I was pre-TRP, and had never heard of a shit test. I was actively practicing giving no fucks, but by sheer accident/apathy. No way for me to tell if it was an epic shit test, an average shit test from an epic asshole, or a straight up "get the fuck away from me" type antisocial outburst. But, as I was giving no fucks, I stumbled onto the right answer by luck alone - which was to give no fucks and just do my thing. I wasn't invested in the interaction at all, which is ALWAYS the right frame when approaching - so who cares whether she was testing or off her meds? to me its a moot point, since I am going to respond the same way no matter what.

                [–]goscuter1 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                That's cool but I guess I was speaking in more generic terms, about girls in general. If we continue to let them dictate by tolerating their abusive, obnoxious, antisocial - ILLUSORY - attitudes, they'll never come good.

                Women like sex a great deal more than men, biologically. They're only in complete control of the power relationship because men hand it over to them. Tolerating antisocial, uncooperative, manipulative attitudes is one of the ways men faceplant.

                What I've started doing is simply refusing to tolerate antisocial conduct. The instant they're malicious, I walk. I'm not sleeping with any girls, it's not a winning play, but then they're kinda worthless anyway and if everyone refused to tolerate unnecessary obstructive behaviour, girls would be forced to pursue. Biologically, they're compelled to pursue. But the sociological lies and women's abuse of girls...

                That's where they flip the biologic to illogical. Women shaming girls to protect their exclusive male slaves from knowing truth (girls want to jump every other guy they meet, women slut-shame them pretty ruthlessly).

                [–]manslutalt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                if everyone refused to tolerate unnecessary obstructive behaviour, girls would be forced to pursue

                Yeah you just keep on hoping that will happen. Any day now. If you'll excuse me, I have hot, insecure and slightly crazy girl to shag.

                [–]goscuter1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                Yeah you just keep on hoping that will happen.

                I gave no indication that I was delusional.

                If you'll excuse me, I have hot, insecure and slightly crazy girl to shag.

                Duly excused. Don't enable her to bring life of Her Own into this world, will you? That would be cruel torture for the child. He or she would have to wipe all memory of the trauma that would, you know, threaten their survival otherwise.

                Good luck.

                [–]winnnnnnnnn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Point taken and for the most part when I'm out in the field I'm usually able to identify an "initial insult" depending on the severity for what it is and IOI, and most times I play along/reserve it. However there are other times when its an obvious dig and I next hard. That said I rarely get these unless I'm being a dick. My biggest hurdle is the "you just wanna fxck me frame" I seem to set, and over gaming/insulting girls that are already interested. Need to get back in the field

                [–]CreepAcceptance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Nicely done.

                A good retort, delivered smoothly and without butthurt is a great thing and not only demonstrates your attitude to the direct 'target', but it will typically endear you to those around you. During a large escalation meeting with my boss I delivered a sharp witty line to a client. I've never seen the inconsequential 'target' of the quip again but my boss still laughs as he tells the story to people years later. That one line has paid for itself many times over.

                [–]RPinParis 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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                Is there something like using too much agree & amplify? I feel like it could be perceived as if you’re always dodging the tricky questions/shit tests and make you appear less credible.

                To avoid that, do you suggest alternating between the methods you listed?

                [–]BluepillProfessor 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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                You ARE dodging the tricky questions/shit tests Bro. This may decrease cred with guys but NOT with girls. That is one a core TRP lesson.

                Don't alternate between methods with the same girl and the same time/place. Pick a style and be consistent, not schizophrenic.

                [–]harkrank 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                I found agree and amplify doesn't work so often anymore. It is too common and girls are familiar with it. This is the trick of the game, you have to always reinvent yourself. If she keeps pushing even after A&A you can be more dismissive of her.

                Or just skip the A&A and behave like you think she is a weird person. Likable, but weird.

                [–]draketton 5 points6 points  (3 children)

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                One of the keys to a strong frame is to pick one preferred method of deflecting a shit test and always stick with it, at least when dealing with the same individual girl. If you're gaming multiple girls in the same social circle, it's probably best to use the same method for every one of them.

                I use cold anger, with a pressure flip added in if it involves material things (like drinks). Even though cold anger is less effective on paper than a witty deflection like agree and amplify or change the subject, it comes very naturally to me, and being convincing and consistent is more important than fretting over the theoretically perfect response for the situation.

                Edit: Reading this thread, it seems my definition of "shit test" is quite a bit narrower than most people's :/

                [–]Dat_Black_Guy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                example?

                [–]NameUsedForReddit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                Sounds more like a crutch than a key. Relying on routine.

                [–]throw8way0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                bsutansalt, this is throw8way0. Enjoy the orangered. It makes a nice change to the red.

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                  [–]goscuter1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                  This is what I can't get my head around. Why do I want to entertain a rude, snotty Toddler that simply isn't in my league, if for no other reason than she needs to conceal her appearance with cosmetics to sidestep my informed consent?

                  Why are men so obsessed with pandering to non-existent value?

                  I know girls like funny guys (but not hilarious or witty; you have to be kinda stupid and silly for them to get that you're being funny). But when you pander to them, you're basically saying, "I'm responding to your boring, transparent misrepresentation of yourself as value...as if I'm your bitch."

                  Why would you amuse her if she can't be amusing?

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Well. Good to know I applied the nuke right without prior knowledge.

                  [–]garlicextract 2 points3 points  (10 children)

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                  Shit test question. Was drinking at a friends house and had some weed which I packed in the bong. Realized my lighter was in my car, asked this girl if she had a lighter (she's a cigarette smoker so I knew she did) and she said "You sure know how to sweet talk a lady" in a sarcastic, but friendly way (after all, I had just provided everyone with some weed)

                  I told her well it's in the car and remained calm, but I knew it wasn't the optimal way to "pass" this shit test (if I even did). Suggestions on what I should have said?

                  [–]theozoph 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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                  A&A : "Wait, you haven't heard me ask you for the time, yet."

                  Pressure switch : "Excuse me, was I supposed to hit on you?"

                  Or the classic Heartiste neg : "OK, now who's the idiot who brought his bratty little sister to my party?"

                  [–]indrid_cold 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                  "Lady? Who walked in the room?"

                  [–]Riusakii 11 points12 points  (2 children)

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                  Your response should have been: "Do you have a lighter or not?"

                  [–]Ishamoridin 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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                  Or "You sure don't know how to pass a lighter."

                  [–]kinklianekoff 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                  give me that lighter and I can sweet talk you later, however im not sure its needed with you.

                  [–]vzhu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Lady? Where?

                  [–]major_tom38 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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                  Just give me the fucking lighter or I'll kick your teeth down your throat BITCH!

                  [–]Griever114 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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                  Hydrogen bomb option?

                  [–]fnordsnord 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I think I "Lady? Who walked in?" best, but "little sister" is good.

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                    [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

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                    I like the classic pressure flip: "What is is about older men that you find so attractive?", said with a shit-eating grin. It's classic cocky-funny and puts the onus on her to respond and sets the frame of it being the beginning of playful banter/flirting.

                    [–]LibertarianLibertine 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                    doesnt the shit-eating grin always apply?

                    [–]pspman354 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Perfect. The motives behind shit tests are to see if you can stand up to them and not be phased by them. If you cant stand up to them, then you cant stand up for them and protect them and their children.

                    [–]bama79rolltide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                    Pressure flip for the win!

                    [–]writeonbrother 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                    Shit tests are for men whom women consider for provision, not just abject fucking. It is not flirting. Can he provide? Can he protect me? Wi he stay? Will he care for my young? The Shit Test is for the Stayers, not the Players.

                    [–]1User-31f64a4e 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I think it's more to detect Alphas, because they refuse to submit to the power inversion implicit in a shit test.

                    But either way ... it's to sort out the AF from the BB

                    [–]BlackbeardsSon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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                    I just had a girl say "You turn this chat into a chat with such a flirty mood" Was this a shit test?

                    I agreed and amplified.

                    [–]thechaosz -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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                    If a girl has been super flirty, inviting me out and being sneaky squirrel behind her bf (making up stories to tell her friends how we know each other before we meet ), then suddenly seeing her bartending at work the fifth time, she is cold and weird then texts me later "do you know I have a bf? "

                    I didn't know if this was a test so I thought about it, drunk, And made a joke and said "I'm sure you've got plenty of bfs, but I think you've mentioned it "

                    It's weird because clearly she's told me.... Strange

                    [–]flux057 -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

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                    What's the best way I should handle her shit test? I told the girl that I like her in person and she said she knew beforehand that I did. I just had to tell her how I felt about her and after telling her, I felt so much better for getting that shit off my chest. Even after I told her how I like her, we were good and nothing changed. However, sometimes she pulls off shits like kinda ignoring me, being less interactive, and such. However, other weeks she's completely normal and we interact fine. To be honest, I do get irritated and anxious but I know I shouldn't show emotions to her. What should I do

                    [–]swarmleader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                    ignore her and start hanging out with other girls, gradually include her into YOUR group. she will bow