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      [–]massrabbler 34 points35 points  (7 children)

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      My exes would all answer this as "What sweet sixteen?"

      Sometimes living in the country is good because of the down to earth girls you meet who know how the world works, but you still get plenty of princesses.

      [–]biffsocko 21 points22 points  (4 children)

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      Dear Jesus .. come to NYC .. flippin' princess central. They must be giving out crowns here someplace

      [–]ReighIB 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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      That's actually a pretty good idea.

      [–]biffsocko 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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      wow... give this man an upvote for his keen insight

      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger 333 points334 points  (157 children)

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      It gets worse than this. Your entire marriage becomes one giant race to prove your value. If a woman isn't getting praise and attention for having a badass husband, you lose points.

      That's right. She'll ride you daily to keep you from going to the gym (because you're not paying attention to her when you're there), but if you get a pot belly and lose your muscles and her friends stop being jealous of how fine her husband is, you're not giving her social status any more and she divorces you. And eventually, you're going to get old naturally and go gray, or go bald, or get wrinkles, or have a harder time staying muscular, and if you're too much older than she is and she and her friends aren't ugly by then, too, same deal.

      If you're not constantly a social badass and the envy of the town -- if the neighbors don't like you and want to be you, and her friends aren't constantly talking within earshot of your wife about how awesome her husband is, you're costing her social points. If you keep to yourself, go to work, do your job, come home, and take care of your family, but your wife's social circle thinks you're antisocial and not much fun, you lose. She divorces you.

      Oh, and if you ever, ever lose your job and haven't found a better one in about 30 seconds, she's divorcing you.

      Once you marry her, she can do whatever the fuck she wants. She can piss all over you, and you have to take it. Because your only way out is to walk, and if you walk, she gets your expensive house, your children, half of the wealth you've worked your entire life to accrue, and child support payments for the next decade or two. And not only do you have to take it. You have to fucking smile and pretend you like it. Because if you make too much of an issue about her pissing on you, she'll file herself and get your house, kids, half your shit, and support payments.

      So you're stuck being a badass for the rest of forever, while your disillusioned wife never fucks you and pisses all over you. You lose if your value ever slips. You lose if you complain. You lose if you fuck someone else. It's a losing venture.

      [–]theinfamous1124[S] 162 points163 points  (23 children)

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      And here I thought hell wasn't real.

      [–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (1 child)

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      “Who knows? If there is in fact, a heaven and a hell, all we know for sure is that hell will be a viciously overcrowded version of Phoenix — a clean well lighted place full of sunshine and bromides and fast cars where almost everybody seems vaguely happy, except those who know in their hearts what is missing... And being driven slowly and quietly into the kind of terminal craziness that comes with finally understanding that the one thing you want is not there. Missing. Back-ordered. No tengo. Vaya con dios. Grow up! Small is better. Take what you can get...”

      - Hunter S. Thompson

      [–]arbyq5000 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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      love his broken prose after his points are made

      [–]BluepillProfessor 20 points21 points  (14 children)

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      Not quite "hell" but as Solomon taught more than 3,000 years ago: It is better to live in a corner of the housetop than in a house shared with a quarrelsome wife.

      There is another side to the story: "Under three things the earth trembles; under four it cannot bear up: a slave when he becomes king, and a fool when he is filled with food; an unloved woman when she gets a husband, and a maidservant when she displaces her mistress."

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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      Sometimes I think about Solomon. The amount of dread game he could play, how he could pretty much have whatever he wanted.

      [–]logi_thebear 1 point2 points  (12 children)

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      The good book is stuffed with how to be a RP man.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (11 children)

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      Agreed, nothing like Solomon being able to run dread game on someonewith his multiple concubine and wife selections

      [–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 2 points3 points  (10 children)

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      And yet the poor guy was still henpecked.

      Ecclesiastes is a field guide for how to MGTOW.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

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      True. Solomon is condemned for following his wives to idolatry. Nothing says "losing your frame" like abandoning your God to get some play with your wives.

      [–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 0 points1 point  (8 children)

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      Adam, Solomon, David, and Jacob are good warnings for the religious Red Pill man. Adam couldn't say no to his wife, and cursed all of his children to a fallen a world. Solomon loved foreign women, and ended up wasting all his wisdom. David killed a man in order to get his wife and "get away with it": he was cursed with infighting and warfare amongst his children as his legacy.

      Jacob got such reeking ONEitis for a girl he saw once watching her sheep that he worked SEVEN YEARS to marry her. When he got tricked into marrying her ugly sister by getting married in the middle of the night, he agreed to work another seven years.

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      [–]gprime312 13 points14 points  (2 children)

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      Said it before and I'll say it again; I'm so glad I'm gay.

      [–]VelociReactor 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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      Lucky you. some of us enjoy pussy way too much and have to deal with all the down-sides that come with getting it.

      [–]gprime312 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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      Stay strong brother.

      [–]noblepaladin 57 points58 points  (10 children)

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      It's an odd conundrum because if you set the bar too high early in the relationship, then you risk sabotaging things in the long run by not being able to cross it. I've seen guys who are legitimate top 1% alphas in terms of wealth, looks, power, etc. But he is miserable because his friend brought a $20 million mansion when he has a $15 million one.

      The best piece of relationship advice I've heard is this: If you want a lasting relationship, the number one quality you should look for in a spouse is not beauty, intelligence, wealth, character, humor, or anything like that. It is low expectations.

      If you have to be Superman to win a girl over, you are going to have a very bad time because you have to be Superman forever to keep her satisfied, and you have to be better than Superman to make her happy. You rather find someone with low expectations who would be impressed when you jump over low bars.

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        [–]blue_27 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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        Umm ... I'd stay away from that too. Marriage isn't one of those 'meh' kind of situations that you can go at half-assedly. Either you're in, or you're not. Trying to toe the line will end in disaster. If neither of you care, then you should absolutely NOT get married.

        This may shock the shit out of some of you, but marriage does not equal love. There are plenty of married people who don't love each other, and plenty of people in love with each other who are not married.

        [–]6Invalidity 13 points14 points  (5 children)

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        The woman who doesn't care about marriage likely won't put in an effort to maintain her appearances or put in the work expected of a motherly woman. That is your dilemma, and your solution is avoid marriage altogether.

        [–]maderail 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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        [–]6Invalidity 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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        She will almost always be disillusioned but she has all the power. Males are expected to propose to the female, hence, engagement/wedding rings, lavish ceremonies, etc. When they divorce, she is almost guaranteed to get custody of the kids and she will likely get alimony too. During the marriage, she decides when they have sex.

        She is disillusioned because she wanted to lock down a masculine, successful guy but instead was forced to settle for something beneath her expectations.

        [–]Tekidek 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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        I agree that the chance of finding this perfect girl is next to none so it's best not to gamble.

        I have a family's friend who used to babysit me when I was a kid and many years later turned out to be my math teacher in high school. She was 27 and very, very, very hot. She married a guy. I don't know his profession or anything about him, but she did tell me she didn't care if they were getting married or not because they were already living together (as a couple) anyway. They didn't had a proper wedding, just signed the papers and poof, married, then honeymoon. Her mother raged about this, but she managed that well enough.

        I don't know if she'll turn to be a good mother or not, but at least she works, and she was one the best teachers on the school. Like, the type of teacher who actually cares about education.

        [–]6Invalidity 45 points46 points  (23 children)

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        Exactly. The best thing to do in a marriage is to always focus on your value. You'll be tested to shit, but you have to always remain as solid as a rock. That way, if she ever decides to say, "I'm gonna divorce you, take half of your stuff, get this house, blah blah blah," you can retort with, "Take your best shot." She'll instantly rethink her actions. It takes a man with a huge amount of balls to laugh at his wife's ultimatum of separation.

        ... but then again, such a man is unlikely to put himself into such a precarious situation to begin with.

        [–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (4 children)

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        In the Army I knew a sergeant whose wife threatened to leave him. He said, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out." She never left, of course.

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        [–]GunsGermsAndSteel 13 points14 points  (2 children)

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        I literally packed my wife a bag and left it on the porch.

        [–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        I was kind of beta - I offered to help her move.

        [–]Johnny10toes 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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        I use to wonder why it worked with my wife and now I think I know why. She has threatened to leave a few times in our 17 years. My response has always been "bye" or something to that effect. I didn't want her to go but I sure as hell wasn't going to beg her to stay.

        And now sure we have kids we have a house we have a car but fuck it. I started out with nothing and I'm not taking anything with me when I'm dead so burn it all down. Plus I'm getting in shape and while I'm 40 she's getting on up there in age herself. My options will be many and hers would be settling for losers.

        [–]6Invalidity 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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        You sound pretty bitter about your marriage.

        Women like to throw fits and are usually never serious about their voiced intentions. If a woman was planning to split from you, you would have to suspect it and be fairly observant to realize it is happening.

        [–]Johnny10toes 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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        Maybe bitter yes but I was more or less trying to communicate that the end isn't going to bring me down. Burn it down. I'll rise from the ashes.

        [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (10 children)

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        Just curious, have you ever been married?

        [–]6Invalidity 3 points4 points  (9 children)

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        Nope.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children)

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        Alright. Just wondering if you were reflecting on your own experiences. While I have observed situations you speak of among whites or second generation Americans, I've also seen situations where marriages run completely smooth and the wife is well intentioned and attractive, even though the husband is blue pill to the core (though I've never witnessed these scenarios with white wives unless they were low value, however).

        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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        This is the truth about relationships I have learned over my many relationships. Whoever cares the least holds all the power. Since I am just not wired as a loving person that means it is always me with the power. Once the infatuation leaves which for me is only a few weeks tops and even then I am rational about it and identify it I always hold the power.

        Since women are the one who usually settles they will the majority of the time hold the power in the relationship. This is regardless of male/female, just a lot of people in this sub seem to only want to make it a women problem. Think about it most guys will bang females regardless of looks, social status or scenario and hell I am guilty of it myself. I always had the philosophy of "they are all prom queens in the dark" so I never gave a shit and although I would bang hotties I also banged some fatties and even a few girls the next day I was overcome with shame for stooping so low. The only reason I stopped banging everything was because of how clingy they would become and they always wanted more from me and well it was too much trouble.

        Now look back at the greatest generation Men held all the power because societies views were very anti women being promiscuous. So if a women slept around guys wouldn't want to be with her, if she divorced men wouldn't want to be with her either. This is all a supply and demand game and currently the demand is on the women's side. However if you get yourself desirable enough the emand turns in your favour :D

        [–]windycityman 9 points10 points  (5 children)

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        Even if it's only half of marriages that end up as OP described, that's still way too high of a risk to take on.

        [–]4mrkite 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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        Even if it's only half of marriages that end up as OP described, that's still way too high of a risk to take on.

        Exactly. Even if you find your unicorn. Even if you decide you love her more than anything, even if your game is flawless..

        WHY the hell do you need a government issued licence and contract to seal it?

        The contract can ONLY screw you. It's not designed to protect your interests.

        Sign nothing. Retain the nuclear option.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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        I wasn't trying to endorse marriage one way or the other. But yes, it's a high risk..

        [–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        I'd say 30%-40% of marriages work this way. It's definitely possible, but it's a huge risk.

        Would you play a casino game where you had a 30% chance of winning big time, but a 50% chance of your life ending on the spot?

        [–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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        Indeed. Marriage is a gigantic shit test, and unfortunately, tying the knot means you just failed a huge one.

        You need massive reserves of game, SMV, and, yes, MMV in order to pull this off successfully.

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        [–]harkrank 42 points43 points  (32 children)

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        I want to expand on this. We are past the threshold of complete failure of the institution of marriage. As with all red pill truths we discuss here, women are aware of them consciously or subconsciously, the same goes for marriage. Today marriage is a big shit test for the majority, which means if you marry you will lose your value as a partner because you lose your integrity and submit to the woman.

        Marriages being concluded today and from now will have close to a 100% divorce rate. If you marry the relationship has already failed.

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger 53 points54 points  (21 children)

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        As with all red pill truths we discuss here, women are aware of them consciously or subconsciously, the same goes for marriage. Today marriage is a big shit test for the majority

        This is, unfortunately, incredibly true. There are things my wife would never have thought to do, say, attempt, or even think about attempting when we were dating, that today, solely because we're married, she does easily, comfortable in the fact that I'm not going anywhere.

        It doesn't even matter that I could land another woman if I wanted. Being lonely and not having a woman after her wouldn't bother me in the slightest. It's my love for my daughter and the sheer inconvenience of losing my house, half of my property and enough of my paycheck to make rebuilding my lost assets next to impossible that ties me to my wife. She can do whatever she wants, and I stay married and put up with her crap.

        The only thing, and I mean the only thing that keeps her in check is that she thinks that I might walk if she really crosses the line. Post-Red Pill, I've put my foot down about a lot of shit, and you can visibly see the wheels turn. She's about to snap, she's about to scream, but she stops for a second, and it visibly registers in her eyes that maybe that would be going too far this time, and she shuts up for a second, reboots, and goes on about something else. If she ever figures out that I'm bluffing, it's over.

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          [–]FemtoG 19 points20 points  (10 children)

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          I'm putting all my assets under my parents' name.

          The story of the guy that put all his stuff under his mom's possession and owned his ex wife is burned in my soul.

          [–]my-redpillthrowaway 21 points22 points  (1 child)

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          That sounds interesting. Link to the guy's story?

          [–]biffsocko 18 points19 points  (5 children)

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          Gents - the greatest TRP story of all. I have a friend that comes from a wealthy family. My friend is kind of a fuck up, but his father and his brother own a very successful engineering company and they give my buddy a job. My friend gets married - his father sets him up in a HUGE house, in a very expensive area. His father supplies maids to come in twice a week to keep the place clean, bought my friend and his wife new cars, paid all the insurance, gave them family vacations etc. they were basically living the life.

          They get divorced.

          EVERYTHING , and I mean EVERYTHING was in the fathers name. She tried and tried to get money out of him but he didn't have a dime in his own name .. even his checking account was in his fathers name.

          Now this guy worked hard, he wasn't someone that was wealthy that just lived off of his family. But he was smart and kept everything in his family's name .. just in case.

          She didn't get anything.

          [–]an0n4btc 4 points5 points  (4 children)

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          I'd be interested to know what would happen to your friend if his father ended up in a divorce, considering your friends assets are actually his fathers. That could be a big risk factor to consider with that strategy of wealth preservation.

          [–]biffsocko 7 points8 points  (2 children)

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          His father was already divorced and was single - but you make a good point. My family is tight. If my mother divorced my dad, she wouldn't screw me over. It wouldn't happen though. We're thick as thieves. If I accidentally kill someone, the rest of the family is digging a hole in the back yard.

          [–]redditor157 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          Link??

          [–]wanderingfun 5 points6 points  (4 children)

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          The answer is highly individualized. For a man who truly DGAF, he can turn fugitive, take the children on a one-way ticket to a nation with no extradition, and start over from scratch. If a man wants to operate within the framework of the developed world nation he lives in today, then generally speaking, retain a divorce attorney on the down-low, and spend the time, effort and money it takes to build the divorce case before presenting papers.

          If you are not detail-oriented, then improve that part of yourself for your children. In every major metropolitan developed nation city, there are attorneys that specialize in arguing divorce cases for men; they will generally advertise in the high-end lifestyle magazines for that city, and you can also find them in your city by Googling specifically for "father's rights divorce <city>".

          [–]8HourPower 11 points12 points  (3 children)

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          take the children on a one-way ticket to a nation with no extradition

          My alpha father tried this with me before the government forces stopped him as my mother called it on him. He got put in jail for a few weeks.

          Now my mother is a spinster with a lower income bracket in Canada while my father owns a business, has a life-mate and is raising my half-brother over in Europe.

          Talk about feminized western world goverment-daddy system hmmmm

          [–]rockymountainoysters 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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          This seems a bit non-sequitorial; I'm not sure whether you're underscoring the point or arguing against it.

          Could you tell the story more fully?

          [–]8HourPower 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          underscoring

          Certainly underscoring and a sideline catharsis. It was when I was 2 years old and my parents were getting divorced. At 22 now, I have been swallowing the red-pill for over 6 months and this fact that I could have been raised by my father still stings a bit. I do keep in communication with him.

          [–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Once a man crosses the Rubicon of going to jail, he no longer fears it.

          Which is why women get more tingles for men who've been in prison.

          [–]sushisection 15 points16 points  (5 children)

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          Oh geez. My older brother is getting married this summer to some small town chick. I don't know how to break it to him that what he's doing could potentially fuck up the rest of his life, I guess I'll just fake a smile, watch, and learn.

          [–]maderail 16 points17 points  (3 children)

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          .

          [–]sushisection 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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          I can't just tell him his marriage will fall apart in less than a decade, he won't listen to me like that. Is there any RP truths I can tell him that may help him keep his marriage last? Like, keep her attracted, don't be afraid to walk away, keep his pimp hand strong (metaphorically).

          Some background. He's a body builder and pretty fucking alpha. Knowing him, I think he can maintain frame for the most part, but I'm still worried she's going wear him down then leave his ass

          [–]blue_27 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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          How to make it last? Well, that's the $1,000,000 question, isn't it? The relationships that I have witnessed to be the most successful aren't ones that concentrate on the high points, but it's when you can appreciate each other at their very worst. If I can handle her when she is being a hyper-emotional, non-logical Cuntasaurus Rex; and she can handle me when Arizona beat Seattle at home, then we are going to make it a long ways down the road. Love isn't determined on your best days, it's determined on your worst.

          If he's into her, you can not be an obstacle on that path. You must support your brother in his accomplishments, and his mistakes. Are your folks still together? Statistically speaking, that helps marriages last too. And if so, ask your pops how he stayed with your mother, and all three of you should have that discussion over a bottle every full moon.

          /$0.02

          [–]sushisection 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          My parents are still married. They are Pakistani and come from a completely different culture. Thanks for the advice, I think a lot of people need to hear it to be honest

          [–]-Tyler_Durden- 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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          [–]1independentmale 16 points17 points  (1 child)

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          half 2/3rds of the wealth you've worked your entire life to accrue

          FTFY. Half is just the starting point for negotiation. They usually get more.

          [–]noblepaladin 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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          It starts at a share for each person in the relationship, meaning if there is a kid, it is 1/3 for all (and the kid's share likely being "managed" by the mother). Two kids and you are down to 1/4.

          [–]rredfox 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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          Dear god I hope to never ever become like that. Ever.

          [–]GSpotAssassin 5 points6 points  (3 children)

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          You know what's crazy, I'm dating a chick who accepts me for who I am so thoroughly that I am getting bored and wondering if I in fact need a woman who I have to keep striving for approval for (with the assumption that that usually starts out very romantic and passionate, which mine didn't, really)

          I mean, the woman I was most passionate for actually strung me along (albeit sweetly) for almost a year before I got to finally hit that. And it ended up hitting all the dopamine receptors. (I may not yet be completely over her.)

          The woman I'm with now is FAR cooler (by objective male AND female opinion), albeit not remotely as hot. We have way more things in common, but we banged fairly early on and the sex has never passed "above average" in quality (for either of us, apparently). Why am I still here? Never met a woman I had more in common with. Will I stay? That's the big question. Is "above average" sex going to sustain me through the coming years?

          The fucked up part is that it is my own mother who I also had to strive for approval for and who never just accepted me for who I was. Are we all just trapped in patterns?

          [–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          You're only as much of a slave to your wants and desires as you choose to be.

          It sounds to me like you care about feminine attention and validation and approval way too much. I have boring women and interesting women in my life. Outside of talking on the TRP subs, I don't really think about it all that much.

          [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (10 children)

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          It's not as bleak as all that. By no means do I mean to say that it cannot be that bad, but it isn't usually.

          Marriage can be great, and if you have a mindful understanding of the Care and Feeding of a Lady then it can be pretty damn great.

          I don't know where you're coming from and a TON of men are entitled to be mad or sad or bitter -- but it's not all piss and ashes forever. There's a light at the end of the Shawshank shit-pipe. ;)

          [–]4mrkite 9 points10 points  (4 children)

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          Can't you have all those enhancing things without bringing the government, contracts and licenses into it?

          What stumps me is why the paperwork which is one sided by it's very nature needs to be brought in.

          I'll even take a wedding ceremony without the paper trail..

          The contract pretty much says, hey I love you and you love me but IF heaven forbid shit goes side ways, you can legally take my stuff.

          Where's the logic in that?

          [–]RedFlagsAreGood 10 points11 points  (2 children)

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          What you're saying is true, but you have to consider the Russian roulette analogy. Marriage could be something that enhances your life, or it could be something that makes your life hell before leaving you with considerably less of your stuff and an 18-year financial commitment to kids you may or may not be allowed to see. I know people on both sides of the gamble.

          [–]CapnZack53 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          I can vouch for some of the enhancements. I would not trade my children for anything. They give me and my life value as far as I'm concerned. And I'm on the verge of a completely new career path then will increase that value greatly

          [–]northsidefugitive 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          This whole thing, just really makes me fucking love my mother. She puts up with my dad's shit (he's borderline manic depressive) and he goes through a period of 1-6 months of joblessness every 2-4 years. I envy the last generation.

          [–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Yeah. Learning Red Pill has taught me that my parents' character is stronger than I ever before imagined anyone's character could be.

          [–]39andNotFine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          Sounds like the final boss in a video game. One wrong move and you're toast.

          http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/814638/wargames-quote-not-to-play_medium.jpg

          [–]the_colon_poweler 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          As a therapist, working as a assistant to a psychologist, you are 100% correct.

          Would you like to know what the Psychologist would say this behavior is?

          It is the behavior of a person with level 1 bi-polar at least.

          As most men can agree most women act like this.

          I rest my case.

          [–]DiabloSythe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          If marriage is this bad and women are this inherently evil is the only reason you adknowledge their existence is because you are slave to biology. Is it not possible to find a good women?

          [–]whoops_fap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          I don't think I'll ever get married after reading that comment. I watched this happen to my dad actually, but reading that really drove it home.

          [–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          I was feeling a tiny bit bummed tonight, thinking about how there really won't be lifelong marriage or family in my future.

          Thanks for snapping me back to reality.

          [–]MartyMar999 33 points34 points  (7 children)

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          I watched both my best friends drop a total(Engagement rings7-8k each, wedding 12-14k each, honeymoon about 4-5k((flights, hotels, food/travel expenses)), time off from work 3 weeks salary) a total average of around 30k each wedding. For a 1 day party and a 3 week vacation. AND THAT IS CONSIDERED CHEAP. Everyone pitched in and helped out with decorating and carry heavy tables and chairs etc. I laughed so hard when they suggested that "when I've met the right one, it will be worth the cost"... Fuck marriage dude. For the first 6 months of engagement it was all talk about the wedding and all the planning and all the gossip about dresses and flowers, then it was Facebook photos from the wedding after the 3 day ordeal of setting up and taking shit down(both times) and then the 9000 photos combined from the wedding and honeymoon. Now everyone is talking about babies. bleh. All chicks do is compete by following a set linear goal oriented timeline of life and it is mediocre as fuck. engage, marry, birth, talk about vomit/ milestones, PTA meetings, blah blah blah

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          engage, marry, birth, talk about vomit/ milestones, PTA meetings, blah blah blah

          You forgot the first part of the plan -- spend their 20s fucking every lowlife they can.

          [–]bitzin 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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          There is absolutely a class of women though who don't do this, they swing from LTR to LTR and try and nab a guy to marry them asap.

          I know plenty of women who are goal focused on marriage at 20 years old.

          [–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          The challenge here is that the class of women who do do this are very good at disguising themselves as legitimate LTR seekers.

          [–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          He also forgot the last part of the plan - marry, birth, talk about vomit/milestones, get divorced, fuck more lowlives, try to get married again.

          [–]GuildedCasket 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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          But isn't a woman who wants to stay at home and birth babehs and raise the cretins the quintessential Red Pill woman (along with cooking, cleaning, general submissiveness and loyalty)? The engagement stuff is ridiculous but I'd expect this to be the last place people would be downing stay at home mothers as boring or undesirable.

          [–]PoopSmearMoustache 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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          Different paths for different people; you'll learn to see the patterns people have here... but this guy is just referring to how women are not as interesting as men, another may say if they are too interesting/strategic it will set the bar higher for you and you may have to unnecessarily deal with more shit.

          Pick your poison as there is no unicorn.

          [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 55 points56 points  (16 children)

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          Today there is not one single logical reason for a man in the western hemisphere to get married. Not even one.

          Just don't do it.

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            [–]abcd_z 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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            Still no.

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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            Dammit.

            [–]16 Endorsed Contributorss_camaro 52 points53 points  (8 children)

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            A wedding used to be the property transference of a$$ from father to taker. It was transactional with the buyer getting lock, stock and barrel in exchange for his commitment to feed said property and resultant children. A wedding was woman's celebration of security via slavery.

            In 'modern times' the man gets nothing but a shitstorm for his troubles. They are brides of the State.

            A "husband" is another word for "clown".

            [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

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            Dowry was the word, right? Basically a father transferring his care over the girl to the husband with a little boost to get them going. It could have been cattle or the like and in some cultures it's a home for an extended period.

            [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

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            Yeah what happened to Dowry? Now the Father just puts all that wealth into the wedding, instead of sending the daughter off with an appreciating investment to counter the depreciation of SMV.

            [–]rredfox 87 points88 points  (41 children)

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            I strongly believe that most women lack the fundamental ability to look past the gaud of their fantasy weddings and honeymoons and the influx of praise and attention they receive from their peers at their announcements and ceremonies and this lack of foresight leads to a declining marriage (read: not haaaapy anymore).

            Sorry, but blaming this selfish and repulsive behavior on a woman's inherent nature will not fix the problem at hand. I agree with you, 100%, that the obsession with weddings, rings, dresses, etc, is repulsive. Why women even do that makes no sense to me. When I imagine my future, I don't even think for 5 seconds about the ring, dress, honeymoon, party, whatever. Who gives a shit? Why don't women fantasize about the various stages of their long term relationship. This is what I dream/fantasize about when I think of a future with my SO..

            • Moving in together, and working together to create a nice and happy lifestyle
            • Doing the boring, domestic, every day things together so that neither of us are never unhappy, we have everything under control, a working system which promotes harmony
            • Coming home after a long days work, whipping up a delicious yet effortless meal for him, sitting at the table and discussing our plans for our next project, or just our day
            • Spending the weekends going out and having fun, trying new things, or staying at home and relaxing, or spending some time working on our latest projects
            • Moving across the country because he or I find a job in silicon valley, beginning a new chapter in our lives and taking a leap together (at least the weather is nice!) if that were to happen
            • Moving back to the east coast to finally settle down and be more present in our family's lives...or visiting our families quite often in our twenties if we decide to stay close
            • Getting pets...we have a deal...one dog, and one cat, except he hates cats, so he will give a cat a chance for a few months and if he doesnt like the cat we will give it up to another family.
            • Having a DINK lifestyle for our twenties, affording nice things we want, and fun vacations
            • Getting a house, having kids, being present in those kids lives, juggling career and kids so that life doesnt get too hard, saving and being smart about our money so we are not struggling
            • Growing old together in general

            This is what women should fantasize about. This is what a lifetime of being together is. Not that shit about weddings. Why dont women think like this?? WHY

            I believe the solution to the problem is bridzilla shaming. Bascially when a woman gets too obsessive over her ideas of a perfect wedding, dress, ring, etc, shame her by making her feel like the materialistic shallow person that she really is. By shaming her to feel bad for fantasizing about the shallow things, and encouraging her to imagine instead a lifelong plan for happiness, not a plan for a exhilarating 12 hours that a wedding actually is. However many hours there is in a life time, a wedding is such a minuscule, insignificant portion of that. Remind her that her lifetime of happiness isnt based on a day of joy. That she will be in misery if she doesnt get her fucking priorities straight and think about and plan for the important things.

            Women shouldn't be rewarded for being shallow and materialistic. Why society rewards that is honestly BEYOND me...

            [–]DarkJedi690 57 points58 points  (19 children)

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            "Women shouldn't be rewarded for being shallow and materialistic. Why society rewards that is honestly BEYOND me..."

            Because the diamond/wedding/clothing industry thrives off their ridiculous desires.

            [–]LibertarianLibertine 26 points27 points  (11 children)

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            Is it true that DeBeers diamond company introduced the idea of a diamond engagement ring purely to increase their sales? Makes it all even more ridiculous...

            [–]southernmost 31 points32 points  (2 children)

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            Yes. A diamond has no intrinsic value; it's just a pretty rock. Furthermore, they're not rare, at all. DeBeers just has a worldwide monopoly and uses it to restrict supply.

            [–]jimbo7771 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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            Diamonds have intrinsic value, but no more than industrial diamonds (hard motherfuckers used for mining/drill bits)

            I think of diamond rings like ferrero rocher: sure, its expensive and cheaper stuff would do the job fine (Moissanite and cheap chocolate respectively) or you can do better with the same amount of money (gold or actual Belgian chocolate).

            Hell, why do you need either?

            [–]Gr8WhiteGrammarNazi 1 point2 points  (7 children)

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            No. They just made the diamond a sine qua non. Diamonds have always been prized and were frequently involved in engagement gifts.

            [–]LibertarianLibertine 2 points3 points  (6 children)

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            May I ask what 'sine qua non' is?

            [–]Gr8WhiteGrammarNazi 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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            You're connected to the internet.

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              [–]blue_27 13 points14 points  (2 children)

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              But she gets to wear that dress once. ... Once. For a few hours. Yeah, that should be a couple grand down the drain.

              [–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              My mother wore hers to her 25th anniversary.

              [–]elevul 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Rent it.

              [–]rredfox 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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              Because the diamond/wedding/clothing industry thrives off their ridiculous desires.

              Never thought about it that way. That makes sense. Unfortunately I cant think of a way to combat it.

              [–]1Jaereth 19 points20 points  (1 child)

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              A jeweler by my house has a billboard on the highway I take to work everyday.

              It shows some BITCHY looking woman, holding up her left hand and pointing to her ring finger with this bitchy look on her face. Head cocked a little to the side. The whole bit.

              I know it's meant to be humorous, but it's kind of a reality check too.

              [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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              The funniest humor has its basis in reality.

              [–]noworriescc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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              Make social change by using the market. Boycott. Don't be a pussy.

              [–]theinfamous1124[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

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              Bridzilla shaming--I like it. Maybe then women would have a more realistic representation of what a wedding has always been. Either that or have them foot the bill for their reality TV style wedding.

              Women shouldn't be rewarded for being shallow and materialistic. Why society rewards that is honestly BEYOND me...

              Because womyn are victims, shitlord.

              [–]brettdavis4 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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              I've always thought Bridezillas should be forced to spend some of their time volunteering at a children's hospital while planning.

              Oh, you are upset about not getting a, b, and c. Well, go bitch to Timmy over there about it. He is 6 and has cancer.

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                [–]FortunateBum 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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                I have no idea what most women think about when they think about relationships, but it's nothing in your list.

                Maybe they relish the thought of someone to emotionally (and physically) abuse for the next fifty years who is basically legally and socially restricted from fighting back or mounting any kind of defense. So they want a living punching bag in other words. Women love to fight and fighting is more fun when the opponent isn't allowed to fight back.

                The modern relationship is one where the woman is allowed to indulge her every whim and the man is supposed to comply and submit and fund whatever lifestyle she sees fit.

                [–]Endorsed Contributoraaron_the_just 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                Women aren't that sinister

                Women just foresee a Disney fairytale existence for themselves. And men are doing the same damn thing. Thinking life will be like a porno set.

                Everyone's fooling themselves.

                [–]UnclutteRed 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                Very well thought out post, can not agree more.

                [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 26 points27 points  (0 children)

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                Both my weddings were simple things, no big production, no fancy dress, and the second one didn't even want a ring. Both divorced me when they thought the AstroTurf was greener on the other side of the fence.

                The wedding doesn't matter as to how long it will last, holding frame, keeping attraction, and being realistic will get you farther. I still maintain that marriage is of no benefit to men, its all risk. Hardly any risk for women and lots of benefit.

                [–]Hypnot0ad 20 points21 points  (1 child)

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                Just wait until you are in your late 20s through early 30s. I'm not exaggerating when I say that 90% of your friends who are getting married now will be divorced by then. And the majority of those divorces are due to the females hypergamy.

                I still won't completely dismiss marriage though. A handful of guys I know have gotten lucky and married women that are great wives and mothers to their children, so I know they exist.

                [–]calabazadelamuerte 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                This. The wedding itself should be the LEAST important day of the rest of your life with your spouse. Sharing a name and having the solidarity of a marriage is great for us and our son. And I do think that it is better for kids to grow up secure that their parents are committed to being a family unit forever (I am catholic, ymmv). But almost a decade later I still think that wedding bullshit is 100% for other people/to show off and not worth the money.

                If you are considering taking a chance on marriage, especially outside the confines of traditional or religious values, push girls who dig the idea of a courthouse ceremony to the top of the list. There is a much higher chance she is interested in you instead of the dress.

                [–]Endless_Summer 19 points20 points  (4 children)

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                Yep. Got married in Hawaii, it lasted six months.

                [–]synpse 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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                dated at 16. married at 21. 2nd kid popped out, she flipped the script. Me being the domestic house-husband, working full time, and her bitching about daughter's clothes not matching for pre-school (i dressed her in the morning, before i went to work, cuz she was sleeping). Her being a bar slut, and screwing around, and saying it was OK because we had a fight, and weren't "together" that week. Honeymoon to Paris, Amsterdam, etc. She showed up at "my" bachlor party. Yet her bacholorette party was in a city 2 hours away.. with some shady shit stories from her 'friends'.

                I could've used a big dose of TRP 10 years ago.

                [–]Condorman80 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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                Absurd six figure wedding, honeymoon in Hawaii, it lasted ten months :)

                [–]VelociReactor 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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                Six figure wedding? What the fuck

                [–]lemotif 29 points30 points  (1 child)

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                Don't EVER marry, a man has absolutely NOTHING to gain being tied legally to a depreciating, extremely volatile asset, they on the other hand have a right to take away every single thing from you.

                [–]aslutrifles 20 points21 points  (0 children)

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                Well, they may not want a marriage, but they sure as hell want the divorce that comes at the end.

                [–]nemoque 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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                I have always said that women want to be married, but they don't want a husband. Women today are too much into themselves. It is all about them. Marriage has become a means to make them happy, and when the "husband" can no longer make them happy, they leave.

                [–]epicaricacy12 22 points23 points  (26 children)

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                if you're a guy, and have a pretty good reason to not get married (ie not religious), then don't. Why risk half your stuff on a marriage when divorce rates are so high? It's not worth the tax benefits.

                [–]elbrum 15 points16 points  (6 children)

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                In Australia a LTR where you live together will probably be considered a de facto marriage, ie all the legal consequences without a ceremony.

                [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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                I think 12 months together is defacto. Also prenuptial means shit all. Game over

                [–]elbrum 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                I understand it as being an evidence based assessment which includes a variety of factors (sharing bills, bank accounts, wills, day to day life etc as well as time). But yeah, the prenuptial agreement is rapidly becoming as meaningful as a marriage.

                [–]bleh321 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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                Australia

                Honestly, as an Australian - how the hell does one protect themselves if a prenup won't be effective due to family law. Do I... - Write up a contract for her to sign as well (aka one that involves a 'fair' split if it involves kids)? - Transfer my assets to a company name etc

                I'm in a situation where I am likely to get married to due to cultural reasoning and also because I want kids and I have significant ($$$) investments whereas the girl basically has nothing.

                I am scared to death with the possibility that I may lose more than half my assets aka my hard work, sacrifice, blood, sweat, tears to a girl that has basically had an easy life spending her life savings away.

                [–]elbrum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                I'm not a lawyer (get expert advice), but I believe that you could establish a Trust where you are the Trustee and you and the child/ren are Beneficiaries. If you transfer considerable assets into there it should be out of an ex-wife's hands.

                However if there are no children now (which sounds like your situation) this won't work because you can't enter into an agreement with yourself. However this approach may work if you are a beneficiary to a Trust which for example your father is the Trustee.

                Red Pill lawyers, particularly Australian ones, what are your thoughts?

                [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (4 children)

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                It's strange my girlfriend doesn't want a fancy ring, doesn't even really want a ceremony but perhaps a small after party with some people and would rather spend the money on an awesome honeymoon. She just wants to get married and really wants to walk down the registry office to make it happen.

                That said we are not getting married.

                [–]GM3d6 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                I like you.

                [–]Azzmo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                You could get "married" without the legally binding contract if you really love her. Just do the small ceremony, make the commitment to one another, and skip the whole part where you give the government permission to redistribute your assets.

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                Yeah sure that would go down well. "Honey do you wanna have a make believe ceremony that means nothing." Lol.

                I already have a legally binding financial agreement with her. Getting married makes it invalid and means I need to draw up another one,

                [–]brettdavis4 20 points21 points  (3 children)

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                I've always had this hypothetical poll question for women. You can either get (a. Your dream wedding and the marriage will last 5 years?) or (b. You could have a very cheap wedding and the marriage will last the rest of your life?) I've always wondered how many women would say, "a".

                [–]through_a_ways 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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                If anyone reading is looking for a way to ask this question discreetly, try playing a game of "Would You Rather?".

                [–]theinfamous1124[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                That's hilarious. Or ask them face to face and count how long they actually think about it. Sadly I think I know how the majority will vote.

                [–]WhiteE350 13 points14 points  (2 children)

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                Just got back from Vegas... FML their is nothing more cringe worthy than a Bachelorette party it gets pretty pathetic.

                [–]mydarkmeatrises 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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                Not so much cringe if you're the one night stand that happens and stays in Vegas.

                [–]WhiteE350 20 points21 points  (0 children)

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                After what I saw spilling out of the club at 4AM no thanks...

                [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 19 points20 points  (3 children)

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                  [–]acid-bubble 16 points17 points  (1 child)

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                  I've got to say, going into the wedding business seems like it would be very lucrative.

                  [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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                  Same as the funeral business. It's a giant scheme.

                  [–]wanderingfun 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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                  If you do not know whether she's going go Bridezilla on you or not before showing her the ring, then you don't know her nearly well enough to ring her finger. If you are her e-peen proxy to compare with her girlfriends' men, then she's at best a plate, and really should be nexted because who needs that made-up drama shit?

                  One loose proxy on what she might be like in a marriage is to judge how strong she holds frame against the onslaught of mainstream media. If she happily still fills her days with productive endeavors with at no TV at all (not even over-the-air), no pop magazine subscriptions, no constant pop radio filling the air, only watches fewer than a handful of shows over the Net (and infrequently at that), and no steady diet of trash books, then that's one of many indications you should look for that she is not as susceptible to the enormously distorted media messages that flood mainstream Western women's daily lives. Judge what she regularly reads on the Net on the same criteria. Another indicator is how many of her friends are the same way. Yet another indicator is how she fills her day with all those distractions out of the way, and especially how she fills it with you.

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                    [–]culofiesta 48 points49 points  (4 children)

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                    Most (90+%) of marketing is to women. They love to buy things and don't think critically when making purchases. ALL of the wedding bullshit is unnecessary but god forbid they have less of a wedding than their friends, their lives would be ruined.

                    This is what post partum depression is. Women gets pregnant and has an influx of happy hormones from the pregnancy. Friends, parents and the rest of the world kiss her ass for nine months and soon after the baby is born she is stuck without friends and without special treatment getting no sleep and changing diapers 24/7. She gets depressed because the gravy train has left and the party's over.

                    After the wedding there is a big comedown of being married, something you actually have to work at and they don't consider that.

                    [–]Mintaka7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                    This is what post partum depression is. Women gets pregnant and has an influx of happy hormones from the pregnancy. Friends, parents and the rest of the world kiss her ass for nine months and soon after the baby is born she is stuck without friends and without special treatment getting no sleep and changing diapers 24/7. She gets depressed because the gravy train has left and the party's over.

                    Click! Holy shit this makes so much sense. It happened to a sister and a cousin and I never understood. This is so right.

                    [–]synpse 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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                    Great point about Marketing. I absolutely despised the "Sales & Marketing" majors in college. They were the dumbest, most unethical, manipulative bastards at the school. Yet.. the most likely to make six figures. And get the nerds like me to do their shitty MS Office work and "help them" (didnt last long.. and then i started to charge $ for my time)

                    Women are just grown children. Not mentally mature. So.. all the gimmicks work fine on them. They think with emotion, not logic. They see the romantic image of a product, but don't understand the nuts & bolts of how that happens. So.. we end up with sweat shops in india making prom dresses for lil princesses in NYC for their sweet sixteen party (AKA. the wedding dream seed).

                    I dealt with all of these other issues.. the first kid.. the wedding.. the second kid.. and me being the provider.. putting my heart & soul into my family... while she's out screwing around, living out her fantasy life.

                    [–]symko 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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                    No shit Sherlock. It's on TV for crying out loud. My Fair Wedding

                    The woman in the vid isn't slightly interested in submitting herself to her husband, instead she wants a Marie Antoinette based wedding. Not to mention the fiancé isn't even in the room to coordinate the plans. This marriage has about the same chance as a roll of 2-ply toilet paper has to make it to the bottom of the ocean while staying dry.

                    [–]turtleshellmagic 17 points18 points  (5 children)

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                    Can a lady chime in?

                    I agree with you. It scares me how bat shit some of my friends are getting over their weddings and pumping out kids as fast as they can. They're riding the attention high from all of it.

                    I found all the attention at mine and my husband's wedding uncomfortable as fuck. It was really low key and I paid for the majority of it because my husband had just graduated from college a month previous.

                    I just don't get it.

                    [–]HoogaChakka 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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                    You are correct. I love it when they say "it's MY day". Um no it's our day. Find a woman who want the marriage and not the wedding and you've found a keeper.

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                      [–]Dreamtrain 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                      To think that in my very early 20s I had began saving up for when I would get married in my late 20s, because I wanted her to have the wedding of her dreams with every single detail she would've wanted, all of this in gratitude for finally being the one in recognizing me as the amazing, giving and caring man I was so sure I was (and well, I wasn't so far off, just that didn't realize back then it didn't matter shit until she would be in her 30s, and in her eyes as a consolation prize as that), also a honeymoon for a week or two to whenever we both wanted in the world.

                      Most of that money flew into moving out to another country to get a better job, also fixing the car from a crash and a busted engine when the city got flooded and God knows what else.

                      [–]a_chill_bro 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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                      if you must marry, find a girl who couldn't give a shit less about the gaud and showiness that will cost 99% of men tens of thousands of dollars.

                      You know she's a keeper when she doesn't give a fuck about the ring too.

                      [–]ibuprofiend 12 points13 points  (9 children)

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                      I don't pity any guy who gets sucked into the marriage trap. By now we all know how it will end up, so getting married is just pure stupidity.

                      [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children)

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                      There are legitimate and necessary reasons to get married. If you think she can fuck you when you're married and have kids, just wait until you see what she can do when you are not married and have kids. I shit you not; Hell awaits.

                      Just don't marry a selfish bitch, but she shouldn't marry a selfish asshole, either. Let the selfish fuckers marry each other and be miserable.

                      [–]livingthedreamnow 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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                      I don't know man, I've known plenty who had kids out of marriage, and fared just as well, as those of us that were married. I was married, and still have 90% financial responsibility, and an every other W/E and a weekday night for visitation. Can't get too much worse for an "amicable" situation. You have to make sure to sign the birth certificate if unmarried, but after you are stated as the father, it's basically the same set of challenges. There may even be an upside overall, as the man and woman can agree ahead of time what happens when / if they split, and everyone goes into the arrangement, eyes wide open. No agreement, no kid. In marriage, it's all just done blindly with the hope that the relationship will never end, and you're left to fight tooth and nail for what's right when it inevitably does. I get your point about not marrying a selfish bitch,,, I don't think many do marry selfish bitches / assholes,,,, but people change over time, and a lot of times they turn into selfish bitches and assholes after the ink is dry...

                      [–]aslutrifles 6 points7 points  (5 children)

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                      Not that I'm looking for pity - but wanting kids is (the one legitimate) reason to get married. I hate my life right now, but I'm glad I had kids while I was young enough to do so.

                      [–]Buckeye1234 7 points8 points  (3 children)

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                      my bro has 5 daughters, i'm gonna unofficially "adopt" them as my own, send money here and there, and that's that

                      [–]TheCastle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                      This, I never want to have kids but I will likely take advantage of some family members who did. hehe (They got the last name? That's close enough for me!)

                      [–]through_a_ways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                      but I'm glad I had kids while I was young enough to do so.

                      Isn't having kids possible at any age for a man? I understand that you'll probably have higher quality sperm in your 30s than in your 60s, but it's by no means even close to impossible.

                      [–]deadcow5 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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                      Case in point: 3 years after their wedding, my brother's wife's Facebook profile picture (AND cover photo) are still the ones from the wedding.

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                        [–]muddynips 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                        Yea, that princess bullshit is a sure sign to drop her.
                        Had a girl one time who said that, I responded with, "Well I want to be treated like a prince, but I'm not a fucking prince am I?"
                        Women do not like hearing that the shit they are offering isn't special or unique.

                        [–]VegasHostTre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                        Wedding=The WWE Wrestlemania of Attention Whoring

                        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                        You guys in here are having an anxiety fit over this shit, put your fucking foot down in the relationship, that's all it takes, I've seen some long ass marriages and some failures and I'm telling you now just put your foot down and pick a girl with traditional values.

                        The frame that floats marriage is two fold; captain and first mate in front of the crew and father, daughter when you're alone.

                        Red pill is about recognizing the truth and many take that as saying we are all subject to the nature of women and we should learn to cope with it but one true power of man kind is the ability to bring about change. If a woman can change a man, a man can change a woman. I've seen it happen (although you can't change a whore) both ways.

                        My great grandfather and his 4 children all stayed married until they're spouses died or the father started a second family, and my grand mother was still devoted to that man. 90% of those next kids (my parents' generation) couldn't keep a relationship together and that's because they were around when the common morality began shifting to be pro sex, and they whored about.

                        [–]chtrchtr_pussyeater 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                        They want bragging right's. Plain and simple...

                        [–]srtor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                        Redpiller or not, All young men take heed. Never get marry. It is a trap. Live together, enjoy each other. Walk away from any 'gone' crazy women. Don't get stuck. You are 100% to lose and 0% to gain. It is like jumping off an airplane from high above with less than 50% chance of parachute opening. Will you do it?

                        [–]brons104 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                        My wedding had a price tag of about $3,000 and we hosted about 200 people. That's the decorations, hall, food, and even the DJ. We succeeded in this by me being strict with how much money we would be able to spend on everything. Now granted my father-in-law footed a decent chunk of the bill, I didn't feel it was right to spend his hard earned cash on the usual dumb shit that gets needlessly thrown into wedding. In the end we had one of the best wedding most of our guests had ever been to and all it took was me setting a budget and not budging.

                        [–]instaswole 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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                        Reminds me of the more and more ridiculous prom "proposals" kids are doing nowadays..

                        [–]blushing_goddess 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                        I commented on how weird it was that people got "engagement photo shoots" once and everyone looked at me like I just kicked a puppy. Look, it's weird. Get married, and be happy that you are. But stop trying to make your life look like a fancy fairytale on social media, because it seems like you're just projecting insecurity about how real life actually is. I understand wanting to share happiness with friends...but dropping a couple grand so you can get a photoshoot before the wedding even happens is weird.

                        I want a simple wedding with family and friends. Save all the money that we would spend on useless shit that no one will remember after a week and put a down payment on a house. Make a real, poignant step towards building a real life, not bending to social pressure to have the fanciest everything to one-up your friends.

                        [–]agentapelsin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                        My cousin's fiancé spent 2 years planning the wedding.

                        They got married and then broke up 6 weeks after.
                        Thankfully he is unemployed/unemployable and has no assets, so she didn't even marry him for half his shit. It was literally just for the spectacle of a wedding.

                        Fuck everything about getting married.

                        [–]VeniVediVeni 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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                        Which is why I will never get married if she doesn't legitimately want to do one of the following:

                        1. Go to a courthouse and get a marriage license. A very small and low-cost reception with immediate family who gives a shit and friends will happen soon after.

                        2. Very small ceremony (for really religiously-insistent family members that we give a shit about), followed by reception from #1.

                        3. Not get married at all, live life happily the same as a couple and raise a child (or more) as normal people.

                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (17 children)

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                        Why I got engaged and start planning everything out my fiance didn't really care about anything, and didn't want an extravagant wedding, although i wanted to give her one because she "deserved the best".

                        Not sure if she actually didn't care about the wedding or just didnt want to be with me since she called off the engagement 6 months after it start (a miserable and sexless 2 months later - I ended the relationship).

                        [–]theinfamous1124[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

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                        You are a smart man and cut your losses short.

                        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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                        I should have never let myself sink so low. I feel I was out of her league when I started dating her, hit a weak spot and settled, and then got weaker with, being insecure, needy, and required validation on exhausting levels... man I cant believe i let that happen.

                        Its why i am afraid to have another GF anytime soon.

                        [–]GirvoGiovanni 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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                        Just work on yourself mate, everything will fall into place

                        [–]LibertarianLibertine 8 points9 points  (7 children)

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                        Your enthusiasm to get married kinda shows the BP side

                        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

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                        Oh it was bad dude...

                        I cant bring myself to having a girlfriend let alone marriage at this point haha

                        [–]tylerthecreature424 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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                        This is why I'd never drop 3 months salary on a wedding ring for a girl I liked or expensive ceremony (or marry). If the woman really gave a fuck about who I am instead of some delusional fantasy she'd be fine with a ring out of a gumball machine or something else she couldnt flaunt in front of her equally insecure female friends' faces right after she gets it.

                        [–]veyron1001 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                        Women should have to pay like a $10k or $20k fine if they want to divorce because "im bored". A legitimate case of abuse that is documented should be free of course.

                        Alimony should only be given if she is physically disabled form spousal abuse

                        Possessions not in her name should not be given to her

                        Child custody should be 50/50 default with the dad in charge. He has a house while she doesn't.

                        [–]bam2_89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                        When my dad and stepmom got married, they rented out a dive bar for a few hundred dollars, served gumbo and Shiner at the reception, and wore clothes you could get at TJ Maxx. Everyone had a wonderful time; my stepmom was still the primary focus of the event, and they had a lot more money to spend remodeling their house that they'll probably live in for the rest of their lives rather than having spent it on people they won't know in five years.

                        [–]dancingwithcats 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                        My wife and I eloped. She didn't care about a big wedding as long as we were getting married. I highly recommend eloping rather than wasting all that money.

                        [–]dancingwithcats 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                        Interesting how this got downvoted when it's very sound advice. Weddings are a waste of time and money.

                        [–]mighty_mogomra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                        Gentlemen, if you must marry, find a girl who couldn't give a shit less about the gaud and showiness that will cost 99% of men tens of thousands of dollars.

                        And when you find your special unicorn, I have some Florida condo timeshares and some Enron stock to sell to you.

                        MGTOW for life. All she is a plate that I'm spinning. Fuck male slavery;er, I meant marriage.