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[–]17 Endorsed ContributorArchwinger 100 points101 points  (31 children)

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There are not words for how correct this post is.

A woman who truly respects and admires a man loves, loves to please him. She gets excited - gets off on him getting erect for her, on him getting off for her. She feels good - satisfied and fulfilled - at pleasing a man she respects. She passionately and enthusiastically seeks out sex with him, and enjoys it like no other.

A woman who doesn't respect a man and is using him for money, validation, whatever, may actually be repulsed by the thought of sexual acts with him. She does as little sex as possible, and strictly as a transaction. Usually straight up missionary while she lies there hoping for a quick finish, before rushing to the bathroom to expel as much of his semen out of her as possible. And complains about him asking for sex, tries to guilt him about asking, tries to set the standard for as little sex as possible to maintain what she is extracting from him.

[–]1BaltoSquadGuy 44 points45 points  (22 children)

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This right here. Good posts all around. To throw my one cent in:

From my experience, a girl I was seeing on the side during a former failing relationship would literally wake me up in the middle of the night to fuck. Every time I saw her the first thing we did was have sex. She used to lay there and tell me how good it made her feel when I came inside of her (I shudder to think how dangerously I lived, I know). We eventually LTRed and co-habitated. Naturally, the sex dried up and we eventually split. She denied cheating, but I wasn't that stupid, even then.

A woman who is into you will do whatever she can to get the dick, and will love every second of it. Anything else is bullshit hamstering.

Remember: A girlfriend/plate you're not fucking is JUST A FRIEND. And I don't think I need to tell everyone that women make terrible friends for men.

[–]magicalbird 9 points10 points  (4 children)

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Remember: A girlfriend/plate you're not fucking is JUST A FRIEND.

A friend that helps me see TRP philosophy in everyday life. It isn't even a plate if you're not fucking her.

A female friend is good for a few purposes like seeing what is alpha in her mind to become that alpha for girls hotter than her.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

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But the problem is that girls don't honestly tell you what an alpha is in her mind. The best I've gotten out of em is "a guy who can handle me, and tell me to cut the shit" and that's just a tip of what we learn in TRP. Want to learn how to be an alpha? Want to learn how to be a lion? Then why do you study the boar? Go find a few alpha men, learn from them instead.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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and tell me to cut the shit

Even that makes this girl a unicorn, if you live in America. 99% of women here are absolutely convinced they want to be "respected," "empowered," and "don't need a man telling them what to do."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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There are no such things as unicorns, trust me this girl has been passed around my friend's circle like a J.

[–]magicalbird 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Use women's gauges to determine the alpha. It becomes too obvious when they're saying "something is there but nothing will happen" kind of female hamstering talk.

Use what the boar is subconsciously into with trp knowledge to understand how that particular lion gave them the tingles.

[–]explicit_innuendo 1 point2 points  (16 children)

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And I don't think I need to tell everyone that women make terrible friends for men.

I'm curious why this is an obvious fact.

I'm friends with a number of women I'm not currently fucking (though I have fucked some in the psat) and they make my life significantly happier. If it helps, I generally make the decision not to pursue them before I can continue a friendship with them.

Is there something here I'm missing?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (11 children)

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If you want to fuck any of them and aren't doing it you're orbiting, if they want to fuck you and you aren't fucking they're orbiting. If you both don't want to fuck each other (rarely the case) then you're probably wingman, wingwomaning each other. Do a quick test, ask one of your male friends a certain question about yourself that you think they know (birthday, age, parent stuff , private life stuff) and try asking the girl the same thing (separately). Try it out, could be a fun experiment.

[–]explicit_innuendo 1 point2 points  (8 children)

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You seem to assume wanting to fuck someone automatically implies a certain relationship (orbiting). It can and often does, but if you are in control of your actions it doesn't have to.

The difference is between "maybe if I hang around enough she'll fuck me" and "fucking isn't happening, but she's cool to hang out with in general."

I'll try your test out. Curious to see the result.

Is the sole reason that females make terrible friends the fact that you might become a beta orbiter? Or is there more to it than that?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

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Well other than the usual emotional tamponing, supplication and validation requirements, I think they also try to keep guys on the hook "just in case" but I guess all of that kinda falls into orbiting. I think the only time you can be friends with a girl is when neither is sexually attracted to each other that way you don't take that one extra step, censor what you say or do and mould it to their liking. Also one thing I've realised about TRP is that when you are just platonic friends with a girl while you've swallowed the pill, EVEN if you both do not feel sexually attracted, once you keep self improving and implementing TRP into your life she will end up attracted to you. Only time it works is if she knows you're a player, you know she's a player and you both just decided to help each other out on that journey and don't try to fuck each other. Kinda like bro to bro. I feel like there's a lot more that goes into it that I might also be missing out but that's how I see it.

[–]explicit_innuendo 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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What if you don't do emotional tamponing, supplication and validation? At one point I did this. It didn't work for me.

But here is a fun fact: those aren't "requirements". When I'm friends with a girl I don't censor what I say. I don't "mould myself to her liking" or anything of the sort. If she wants a beta orbiter, she'll bail. If she's cool having a regular friend, she won't.

And you are correct that usually attraction will happen at some point. Usually it's always there - one of my female friends started as a same-night lay, but now she has a sort-of boyfriend so we don't. A few days back the topic came up, and I told her flat out I'd love to bend her over my couch and bang her. She gave a faux shocked reaction and things weren't weird. Later that night I ditched her [1] and took home a chick we met. Another longer term friend of mine has both tried to sleep with me, and I've tried to sleep with her, but we've both stopped things to avoid problems.

Becoming a beta orbiter is a choice. If you do value friendship with a woman, then you can have it - you just need to make a different choice.

[1] "Ditch" is a strong word - I made sure she got home safe, since my locale carries a real risk of gang rape for unaccompanied women.

[–]Endorsed Contributorburningtimber 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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Innuendo, everything you say sounds right. But in a MF friendship, it's likely the man is fooling himself. Maybe you're slick and have it figured out, or maybe you're kidding yourself.

Or maybe your slick defenses have blocked nine arrows in this "friendship" but you're still hit by one, which you can't see.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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"stopped things to avoid problems" is a loss of respect if you stopped it (women enjoy sex and it can only make you both more comfortable so you basically fucked up) and if she stopped it you failed to realise that this was a LMR and bolted. Look I know, I get defensive about this stuff too, I've had female friends who I've thought about the same way you do but It's a lie I made up to spare my own emotions and keep comfortable with the idea that it is possible. There are exceptions but vary rare exceptions. If you currently have more than 1 platonic female friends that don't fall into any of the aforementioned brackets then you're either godking Xerxes with more luck or you've blurred out your vision. "Can't hook up since she has a kind of boyfriend" read that again. Really, I bet she asks you for a lot of advice too. Why wasn't her kind of boyfriend there to protect her on her way back home, you're orbiting and you don't realise it. No offense, best of luck on your journey.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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And the issue i said about censoring or moulding are stuff people do unconsciously. "if she wants a beta orbiter she will bail" there is a reason she stays, figure out what that is because if she want a regular friend she'll find a girl, she will connect and bond much more with a female than she will with a male. And when you say attraction is always there you just confirmed the orbiting thing I wrote about. If she's coming to your house, asking for advice , telling you her problems, eating some food and drinking beer then getting you to drop her home. (these are just exmples) then you are validating, tamponing, supplicating and orbitting.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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Women do have "a-ha!" moments where they become attracted to a guy they previously were not. Either she gets a severe ego check and her beta-radar picks up, or the guy is significantly improved to her threshhold for attractiveness. Either way if he gives in too soon then she realizes she was right to not have been attracted to him in the first place.

It can never really go right vis-a-vis a LTR if the dude has ever orbited her. You can, however, get sex from a previous orbiting object, and maybe there is some kind of vindictive validation in that, but there is also danger. Better to just move along, in my opinion, though I've never fucked a former orbit object so I'm just talking out my ass.

[–]no_face 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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orbit object = sattelite

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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thanks! I'm still new so I don't have all the terminology

[–]troubadour1492 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I have a female friend like that. Don't want to fuck her, she doesn't want to fuck me. We talk about this stuff from both sides of the aisle, and have interesting discussions, but it's not like I know her birthday or her kids' names, nor she mine.

God... Thinking about that girl just made me have a major flashback. Another one of my friends from the same circle, a guy friend, was giving me all kinds of advice about how I should look in the "platonic friendships" section of Craig's List and find a girl to be friends with, and try to develop it into romance.

At the time, I rejected the idea on the grounds that it's not honorable to get with a girl under false pretenses, and not because I didn't think it was a viable strategy.

I have come a long way since those days. It makes me happy to realize how clearly I see reality now.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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My medical school study buddy was this way. She was smart as shit and we also played video games. She was a 4 back then (and that's generous) so zero interest on my part, and I wasn't Christian enough for her, so likewise from her. It was a great friendship.

She took a residency down at Duke, lost a shit-ton of weight, and I'm happy to see her in a relationship (on Facebook). She's an awesome person, and I'm happy to see her happy, but I still would pay not to have sex with her.

She is by far the exception. Every other friendship I've had with women has had an element of orbiting by her or me.

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[–]Movonnow 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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women make terrible friends for men.

A few months ago, I broke up with my ex "girlfriend". To me, she was a fuckbuddy but after a few months of "relationship", she brainwashed my brain.

Actually, I was her beta buck. One night she told me she wanted to marry me and to have kids with me. So it scared the shit out of me. I broke up the day after.

Thing is, due to some emotional issues, I had a very had time getting over her.

I was weak. And I relied onto my female friends for help. They helped me, of course.

But after a few weeks, it seemed that because they saw I was not a strong man their behavior changed.

They tried to disrespect me. What's funny is that they were all of 3 together trying to shame me, to guilt me and to apologize about something I wasn't guilty of. It was bullshit and everyone knew it. They yelled at me and insulted me.

I didn't hold frame. I bought into their frame and I apologized like a wimp.

A few days later, they told me to fuck off when I wanted to have lunch with them, without giving me any explanation.

I was desperate. I was loosing my 3 best friends. Then I realized that they were waiting for me to come back, crawling, begging for an explanation, for a "do not leave me I need you as friends" speech.

I told to myself "fuck off, I won't do that" and made the conscious decision to forget everything about them.

What I learnt from this experience :

One can not rely on women. If you show them you are weak, they will not have respect for you. If they do not have respect for you, they will disrespect you, treat you like shit, make fun of you and badmouth you (everyone here in College seems to know what I did to them, I'm the only one who doesn't know).

No girl want a weak man, whether for a relationship of just as a friend.

If your friends leaves you when you show any weakness, why would you keep them as friends? Aren't friends here to support us when we are in trouble?(among other things)

Well. Women doesn't makes good friends. If you want a woman to treat you well, she has to be attracted to you, at least a little. No woman will hang out with a man of no value, even as a friend. She may not be willing to fuck you, but she definitely want to be around an attractive man, at least to say "hey look at me, I'm hanging out with this man of value".

Women and men can not be true friends.

Now, I'm not interested in women's friendship anymore and I value much, m uch more male friendship.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Yup, fuck 'em. I hope this is the last time you even think of them. They are fucking dead to you now. Grab a buddy and hit the range - driving range, shooting range, fucking 4-wheeling, it doesn't matter. Those bitches can die in a fire and you shouldn't shed a tear. They didn't care about you, no loyalty to you, so you owe them nothing.

[–]denshi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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Running away from the idea of family and children is indeed a weak man move.

[–]Movonnow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Since I was young I've always wanted to have children and to raise them to be conquerors. To make them men.

But I avow I've given up on this idea since I've discovered TRP.

Yeah, it's weak. But what other choice do I have?

[–]myschadenfreude 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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This is the exact behavior my ex-wife showed. Barely "gave" any sex and as close to zero physical intimacy (to the point of not wanting to be in the same room as me.) We split and she bangs half of central Ohio.

She had checked years before the split and I tried to be even nicer.

Sex is a relationship barometer. Pay attention.

[–]BluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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This is correct. For some women it is like a fucking game- how can we avoid sex and give out as little as possible, largely as a 'reward.' Then when the guy starts to do things right, lifts weights, gets a better job, learns game and seduction, and starts getting lots more sex well- now your just being "greedy."

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 115 points116 points  (16 children)

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Good post.

tenants

tenets.

One of our tenants is to ignore a woman's words and pay attention to her actions

Right, it's like a woman says you're an asshole and she hates you but is laughing, can't stop looking at you, puts her hand just beneath her neck and etc. "I want a nice guy" only fucks assholes. What women say isn't worth shit, I don't care how many people that assertion upsets, it's the nature of things and it is exactly what men everywhere experience when dealing with women.

Taken to the extreme, it's when a woman offers token last minute resistance and says "no" but only because she doesn't want to feel like a slut or "feel easy" as she says no, she's pulling you towards her, bites your lip/neck or any other kind of shit. Verbally: rejecting you, Physically: accepting you. According to feminists you ignore whatever she's doing to your body and listen to her words, anyone who's fucking lived know the opposite is the correct way.

You read the actions not the words, this is a maxim you can apply to any situation, sexual or not, and you will get an accurate reading of the woman in question rather than the bullshit they feed you. "I'm not mad at you" "I've been busy" "I can't wait to see you" but she texts back 10 hours later and doesn't pick up her phone? She's fucking another guy. Never listen to words, always the actions, always. Women creatures of subtext and impulse, not logic and reason.

[–]xarkonnen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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Awesome point here. Women are pure emotional creatures and this is we who have to lead them, guide them and handle all the logic.

[–]triglyceridesuicide 10 points11 points  (9 children)

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Excellent post, but I don't think this is limited to women. I utilize this for just about everyone in my day to day life and it's never really done me wrong as long as one stays mindful of potential deception.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 30 points31 points  (7 children)

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Sure, it applies to men too, but I definitely put more stock in what men have to say than women. I take them far more seriously, one: most of the time they're using reason and are not emotive reasoners, unless they're of seriously low intelligence (which applies to both genders) or if they're provoked to reason with anger. Women are generally emotive reasoners, they comment on appearance and pleasantry, not so much substance, they are quicker to feel/feign indignation and use it as a manipulation, giving even less credibility to their words.

Also, seeing as society will hold men to account and make them take responsibility for fucking up, there's some kind of cultural insurance. Whereas if a woman changes her mind or decides not to make good on her promises, she is free to shirk them in such a way, potentially fucking you over, and nobody will bat an eyelid.

This kinda feels like a strange NAWALT being discussed here, some women will be more reliable than some men, but I am of the opinion that as a general trend you can put far more stock in the average man's words than the average womans despite both genders housing some really shitty people.

[–]1FloranHunter 4 points5 points  (6 children)

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Also, seeing as society will hold men to account and make them take responsibility for fucking up, there's some kind of cultural insurance. Whereas if a woman changes her mind or decides not to make good on her promises, she is free to shirk them in such a way, potentially fucking you over, and nobody will bat an eyelid.

I suspect this meme will have an impact in a few months.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (5 children)

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Meme?

[–]1FloranHunter 9 points10 points  (4 children)

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Not sure what you are asking so I'll answer twice:


A meme is life an information lifeform. It lives in minds and travels by word, text, image, etc.


The meme here is the notion that women act badly because they are not held accountable. I have seen it more and more recently so I suspect it will blow up in a few months.

Why I think it will blow up:

MRAs will likely latch onto the idea and feminists will respond that the patriarchy is why women aren't held accountable. The back-and-forth could hit the mainstream since MRA memes are beginning to do so, especially when feminists generate buzz for them through their hatred.

If the idea becomes mainstream then people will be harsher on women (possibly even harsh enough to be fair. ha!) in the name of feminism (the word "egalitarianism" probably won't catch on by then). The feminists will hamster another counter that being fair to women is anti-feminist but it might stick around.

This is obviously conjecture. I don't understand how memes move well enough to bet any money on this.

[–]170612 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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I'm aware of that original definition of the word, and he might be as well, but I think his confusion might have been because we're on Reddit and that word here (and on most of the internet) is used to describe silly pictures that people write goofy things over.

http://knowyourmeme.com/

Just in case you weren't aware. That's what most people will assume you're talking about when you say "meme."

[–]1FloranHunter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Ah, right. Newfags conflating all memes as image macros messing it up for everybody else. Thanks for clarifying.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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That's what most people will assume you're talking about when you say "meme."

That's exactly what I thought he was talking about, that I had posted a meme and not my own opinion. If what he meant to say was that the information I have shared will catch on, then I am happy for that to occur.

[–]1FloranHunter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Yeah I meant that it will catch on.

[–]PlantNutrient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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This is a wonderful point. A lot of the concepts of TRP are not just woman oriented, but can be used in day to day life.

[–]12FAM0US 29 points30 points  (1 child)

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make no mistake: women are sexual creatures. they are horny as rabbits, some of them worse than men! if she's not fucking you, rest assured she is fucking someone else (or planning it, or dreaming about it waiting for the chance). when women cum it releases hormones vital for pair-bonding. she cannot help but become attached. for those of you who are wondering how to get that special LTR experience, thats the trick. fuck her like a little slut, till she can barely think, and make her thank you afterwards

[–]dman8000 19 points20 points  (0 children)

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I look at it this way. If on the off chance she legitimately has a very low sex drive and rarely wants to do it, I don't want to be with her anyway.

[–]RPModulator 36 points37 points  (0 children)

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Fuck, I am pretty sure that I actually wrote this post, only in my own head, in the darkest, final days of my marriage.

People, listen to OP, he knows of what he speaks . . .

[–]BluepillProfessor 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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The Sex God Method (book) claims that displaying high value is not necessary once you are fucking a girl. At that point you only need to display high value by fucking her good. Sex is to relationships as sunlight it to plants. Doesn't take many days of darkness before even aa healthy one starts to wilt- and you really can't get enough of it.

[–]JihadDerp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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To add to this: he also says while most people think the seduction process is over once you get the first lay, in reality, the seduction process doesn't begin until the first lay. I.e., you don't really start seducing her until you start fucking.

Great book, highly recommend.

[–]stillnoturday 14 points15 points  (3 children)

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I agree it is prolly the cornerstone of any relationship, I just advocate not determining your own self worth from it. My view is if you are in a deadbedroom it is time to leave, because you won't like what is inevitably coming. Sex should be a mutually enjoyed activity not as a part of the female rewards system because youve done good.

I was over at my friends house who I've known for going on 15 years, he was with his girl for 4 of those. She bragged about how she withheld sex to get him to do what she wanted. The look on her face when I told him to pack his stuff because he didn't need to take this shit from her was priceless.

[–]magicalbird 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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Sex is the most important part in relationships. If there is no sex it is a friendship or some other form of manipulation is going on.

Now what type of relationships you decide to do whether it's serial monogamy or spinning plates or multiple long term girls is up to each person based on this knowledge.

I just advocate not determining your own self worth from it.

An important lesson I learned was to determine your self worth by doing the best you could within your control. Some people say close and sleep with as many women as possible but some men have a higher ceiling than others and so many other noncontrollable variables. Determine self worth by how well you handle relationships like this.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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It's awesome that you said it in front of her.

She will never forgive you, and she will undermine you in front of him forever. When he realizes what a bitch she is, make sure you take him back as a friend. He's not really in control if he's still BP.

[–]stillnoturday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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I've known him for 15 years she can't get rid of me. I've started him going to the gym hopefully that will snowball into him realizing his own self worth.

[–]isthatyourdaughter 44 points45 points  (10 children)

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I had a similar thought not long ago:

"If her asshole is off-limits, so is her heart."

[–]magicalbird 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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For me it's more the mouth.

The butthole can be off limits to girls madly in love but less experienced. Usually though they'll go down on you no matter what.

[–]peppepcheerio 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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Unless her haemorrhoids are making that decision for her.

[–]Endorsed ContributorVZPurp 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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Without sex there is no relationship. If it's waning you have a serious problem; if it's gone it's been over for a while.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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"Now on the other hand... unless she has medical or severe mental health problems, a decrease in sexual interest, frequency, and intensity is almost always a sign of big problems"

I had a friend in my blue pill days that always advised me to be having sex with women to check for this exact problem. Weird how I thought he was an idiot at the time, but now seems like one of better tips on intergender relations I have ever heard.

[–]100 Modbsutansalt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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Tl;Dr - Judge women by their actions, not their words.

[–]verygosuwow 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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I thought about this for 2sec... and my only answer if my girlfriend ever tells me "you only like me for sexy things, i want to stop that" will be "alright, i'm going to find another girl".

[–]12FAM0US 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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"you only like me for sexy things

"yea, pretty much"

[–]AEther_Flux 4 points5 points  (16 children)

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This honestly makes me feel even better about myself and my ltr. She has caught wiff of TRP from snooping on my reddit account. (My own fault for not logging out, I expect her to snoop.) She flips out and claims to hate it, yet everything I put into effect from here she has loved with no end. I read the article about just fucking the shit out of her and not trying to please her. I lasted about 30 seconds the first time, but im steadily lasting longer each time (more pleasure for me). She cant leave the bed after I'm done with her, and we both love it. The fact that I can come home from work, plow my woman, then pass out with her moaning in ecstacy makes me a very happy man. Use TRP men, use your mind, they are both great gifts.

[–]OceanRacoon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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then pass out with her moaning in ecstacy makes me a very happy man.

You pass out while she's orgasming?

[–]AEther_Flux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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My phone went stupid on me, or I did. I meant that we both pass out after she's done with her orgasms.

[–]Movonnow -3 points-2 points  (13 children)

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I read the article about just fucking the shit out of her and not trying to please her.

What? Wait.

Okay, I may be a little blue pill still.

My point of view on sex has always been :

I HAVE to pleasure her. If she doesn't break her leg in bed, she will leave me.

So I've ALWAYS sacrificed my pleasure for her's.

I would always ask her "what do you want?" and take no initiative.

What do you think?

[–]Epicureanist 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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I HAVE to pleasure her.

If she doesn't break her leg in bed

she will leave me.

sacrificed my pleasure for her's.

ask her "what do you want?"

her her her, she she she

What do you think?

I think most women are women. They're submissive creatures waiting for a masculine guy to be a man and dominate them both in and outside the bedroom. That being said, women can be very perceptive of body language and social queues. If during sex, you're trying your best to please them and worrying about failing, they'll realize this and dry up.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Allow her the pleasure of satisfying you. She'll enjoy it. Give her a chance.

[–]JihadDerp 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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Stop everything you're doing right now and go download and read the book Sex God Method by Daniel Rose. If you can't find a free version, fork up the money. It's more than worth it. I've read it twice (via free download) and I'm about to order the paperback version. It will change your life. I'm not exaggerating in the slightest.

[–]Movonnow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Okay bro. No problem. I'm going to find it. Thanks.

[–]Movonnow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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I found the first edition for free and the second one for 128$.

Is the second edition worth 128$ considering I have the first one?

[–]JihadDerp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Haven't read 2nd

[–]AEther_Flux 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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In my recent experience (with only one woman). I have found better results with 1-2 minutes of nonstop, hard fucking than I ever did with 30-60 minutes of trying to please her. We are both far happier when I act like I'm trying to destroy her pussy. In short, tear that pussy up son! Don't ask her if she pleasured, if you have to ask, you didn't get it right.

[–]Movonnow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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Oh. What I'm used to do is fuck her really hard then when I'm about to come to stop, rest for a few minutes to lose the boner and then fuck her hard another time....as many time as I can.

[–]AEther_Flux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I fuck her hard until I cum. Then in another 10-20 minutes im ready to go again. I last a little longer each time. Fuck a girl like you'll never get to fuck her again, focus only on your pleasure, and she will always enjoy and remember that sex she had with you.

[–]AEther_Flux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I have seen her and she has even said it herself "I get off on you getting off, AEther."

[–]AEther_Flux 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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I have seen her and she has even said it herself "I get off on you getting off, AEther."

[–]Movonnow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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I don't undestrand, sorry I'm not a native speaker.

[–]AEther_Flux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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That is ok. I am saying that my GF likes me to fuck her hard and not worry about her pleasure at all. Sex feels best when both people are into it.

[–]1FloranHunter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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This sounds obvious to me now and I question why I am making this thread

Obvious in retrospect.

[–]Movonnow 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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As always with TRP, I read a new article and it hurt.

It hurt because it makes me realize my former mistakes.

Then, I feel so good. Why? Because it changed a little more my way of thinking. It lifted a weight out of my shoulder because I understand now what I did wrong and what I need to do from now on. There is less room for worry and hours of thinking...."does she love me (lmao)? what does she feel for me? Is she attracted to me?".

So....

This sounds obvious to me now and I question why I am making this thread.

Thank you for telling us what seems obvious to you. Not everyone here is 100% RP and this helps tremendously.

[–]boredinclass2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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happens to us all mayne

[–]drcarp2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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It can be that you're not satisfying her, premature ejaculation, delayed ejaculation , erection problems etc... That's why she'll hold back sex and avoid telling you you're shit in the bed. Start by having a genuine talk, make yourself desirable and lift, lift, lift

[–]HannahRoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Can the same be said vice versa? I want my boyfriend everyday, but we have sex about 2-3 times a week. Should I be worried that he doesn't want it as often as I do? He doesn't let me initiate, but he usually accepts blowjobs when he doesn't want to have sex. When I asked him about it, he said he's just lazy.

[–]bleepedout 6 points7 points  (4 children)

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this doesn't "really" apply to girls who are sexually inexperienced/have sexual hangups. i dated one. it got better as time went on.

[–]masturbateawy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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It also doesn't apply to the kind of relationship where the sex is explosive but the woman is drama out of the bedroom.

[–]whyalwaysm3 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

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I was with one who only had one boyfriend before me, very inexperienced. The sex in the beginning 1-2 years was absolutely insane. I remember one time I actually fucked her 5 times in a span of 2-3 hours, I have no idea how I did it and still haven't managed to repeat that. Anyway, 4 1/2 years later the sex was lame, even I didn't want to do it anymore, long story short we broke up. So yeah, I think OP is right, sex matters a lot, whether she's experienced or not in my opinion.

[–]bleepedout -1 points0 points  (1 child)

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how is that inexperienced? One boyfriend before gives her the chance to have plenty of experience.

[–]whyalwaysm3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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You're making an assumption. She was with that boyfriend for only 3 months.

[–]Dreamtrain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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A good example of your post is the thread posted by /u/Qcountry about the girl that cheated on her "Sweet, amazing and perfect" boyfriend.

The girl in that thread just responded that her boyfriend's sex drive was fairly low so the relationship was unfulfilling for the reasons you explain in your text.

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    [–]Phaint 18 points19 points  (1 child)

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    Not really though. They aren't equal substitutes in the slightest and you're making a grand mistake by thinking them of such regardless of your sexual, religious or whatever stance.

    [–]Phaint 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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    I was anticipating someone elaborating on my post. There are no make out addicts. Endorphins and attractive signals are released but not nearly the same levels or dopamine hits. There is no release, little sensation, no make out porn.

    They are simply not in the same realm. You can literally build a relationship around sex. You can't build a relationship around making out.

    [–]1iluminatiNYC 15 points16 points  (0 children)

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    I'll allow it. There are some religious types, and they can use this info even if they aren't fucking. I respect their lifestyle choice.

    [–]carrotplanter 10 points11 points  (18 children)

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    Making out with an LTR? What are you, 12?

    [–]Dreamtrain 4 points5 points  (17 children)

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    Some are highly religious.

    [–]ashglass -4 points-3 points  (16 children)

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    Religion is blue pill

    [–]Dreamtrain 14 points15 points  (14 children)

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    Not everything in the world is either red or blue

    [–]1sailorJery 8 points9 points  (7 children)

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    ok but what should we consider something that dictates your life to you, and forces you to repress yourself?

    [–]VirgoRooster 3 points4 points  (4 children)

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    If you're the one choosing to follow the religion, is the religion dictating your life, or are you?

    [–]Phaint 9 points10 points  (3 children)

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    If you're the one choosing to pedestalize women are women dictating your life or are you?

    [–]Dreamtrain 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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    The person in question would be the one allowing women to treat him as such. Which is how many of us got here, because we decided to dictate our own lives.

    [–]Phaint 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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    And we would consider that person blue pill: my analogy.

    [–]aescetic 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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    Yes, there are some grey areas.

    [–]scrumptious_titties 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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    The color green, for instance.

    [–]Dreamtrain 13 points14 points  (2 children)

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    I can see it now.

    Green Pill: "Who cares, just smoke a joint"

    [–]Mintaka7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    I smell a new subreddit.

    [–]Phaint 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    Islam is pretty Red Pill to be honest.

    [–]starskyyy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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    I disagree, what about after 10,20,30,40,50 Years as a couple? So does your grandparents have a rampant sex life or if not then is that an indicator of their relationship?

    [–]dancingwithcats 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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    I've been married to my second wife for almost 20 years and our sex life is still rockin'.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    "rockin" as in "rockin' chair"?

    [–]PrimaxAUS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    If you find your woman CRAVING you in the bedroom, then you are winning. Whatever you're doing is working.

    I thought maybe I was just getting old.

    [–]the_fapzaurus 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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    What if my gf is 18 and a virgin (she wants to wait about 5 more months before we have sex)? She does other things for my pleasure. What is a gauge then?

    [–]xarkonnen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Your Steam account rating.

    [–]DanG3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    ATTRACT another girl/woman/plate/etc. I promise your present GF will think again about HER desire to "wait." More importantly, if she doesn't, it was not the five months she was waiting for, but rather the five months she wanted to explore her options. MOST IMPORTANTLY, right now SHE is in control of the relationship. That is always a bad thing.

    [–]ericishere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    I can only think of one place where this doesn't apply, and that would be in high school where girls don't put out as easily.

    [–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

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    Watch out for the exceptions too, though.

    When a woman suddenly wants much more sex than usual, gets all dolled up often, develops new "bedroom tastes" out of the blue, that's usually a pretty good sign she's fucking someone behind your back.

    In this case increased sex is just a sign she's feeling guilty for her own hypergamous treachery and trying to make up for it, in her mind.

    [–]1bicepsblastingstud 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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    When a woman suddenly wants much more sex than usual, gets all dolled up often, develops new "bedroom tastes" out of the blue, that's usually a pretty good sign she's fucking someone behind your back.

    Honest question: Have you ever seen this happen? Because I've been told it before, but never in my life have I seen something like this occur. It's always been "cold + distant."

    [–]3 Endorsed ContributorSkorchZang 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    Yeah. Happened to me in an LTR maybe as early as 1 year back... Very confusing, and I didn't know what to make of it.

    For myself, I concluded it's probably the personality type of the woman at play. Most will respond with cold+distant but some put on a whole different show. And it's not as if she knows and plans it, as usual it just happens.

    The outcome is still the same though. I'm clueless, wondering what the fuck just happened, and she by this time has zero respect and attraction for me, since this always brews "silently" over a couple of months at least.

    [–]ufd -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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    Look up Sperm Wars.

    Basically if a woman in a LTR is having an affair/cheating, she will come home after her tryst interested in sex with her long term partner. The idea being that she is unconsciously pitting the men's sperm against one another.

    The man in the LTR with the woman subconsciously receives scent ques of the other man's sperm/semen will bang the hell out of her, attempting to pull the other man's seed out of his woman. Theory being that the shape of the head of the penis acts to pull other sperm out of his partner.

    It could be extrapolated to explain why some men enjoy being actively cuckolded.

    [–]aescetic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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    Agreed. And the second wont give you sex, don't give them emotions. Works wonders.

    [–]Redawareness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Another thing to watch for if you are in a ltr is that your wife/girlfriend starts being super self conscious about being naked when they didn't use to be. They start seeing you as unattractive, you start being creepy. If they see you as attractive and the lizard brain wants to fuck you, they will invite it.

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    I'm going to have to agree with this wholeheartedly. And no, it isn't just women. My relationship, for instance, has been fraught with issues but I still want sex with him all the time. He, on the other hand, used to tell me he has a very high libido.. that he could never say no to sex with me.. that no matter how tired he was, he'd have energy for sex.

    Yet, for the past several months, I've had to beg for sex. He gloated to his ex gf that he was withholding sex from me as some sort of punishment for (his ever descriptive) "she's being a fuck" reasoning (he had told me to leave him, that if I wanted love or affection, I'd have to get it somewhere else because that's not anything he was going to offer me in our relationship).

    Fast forward to now and he still uses sex as a weapon and refuses to have much sex with me at all ... yet disappears hours before work (I'm not allowed to ask to where without severe rage bullshit from him, and he still doesn't answer the question), doesn't show up at home til quite some time after he gets off work (still not allowed to ask), disappears to school early, doesn't show up for hours after he gets out of school (still not allowed to ask).

    Yep. That coupled with absolutely no interest in the girl who loves you, wants to sleep with you night and day, and isn't hideously unattractive ?

    Gee. Can't imagine what's up here =/

    Tl;dr - sex is indeed an indicative barometer of what-the-fuckery

    EDIT: interesting. He's down voting me now. He was at some undisclosed person's house today and refuses to tell me why and is avoiding being seen at home... coincidentally, this home is in the same area where the married woman who was sending him lingerie photos lived last I saw her. Coincidence, I'm sure.

    [–]11411181 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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    So there's a very clear point here that you should probably trade up asap, ya know?

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    Yeah.. very true. Following this, the shadiness has only intensified. Still not allowed to ask without rage bs (and still no answer) . Yay for shitty people.

    [–]denshi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    DTMFA!

    [–]Calculated_commenter 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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    Clearly you shouldn't be tolerating this. I could treat you right. ;)

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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    Calculated commenter in the red pill.. sounds fishy :P

    [–]TannhauserOverture 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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    Ironic white-knighting? It's like this thread is from the future.

    Also: next!!

    [–]khanline 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    I really like this. I like it a lot. In fact i love it. I don't know why i never really saw it this way before.

    [–]ss4james_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    A male hamster will often convince himself that sex isn't that important if his SO has been cold to him in that department, yet he'll still masturbate... Cognitive dissonance right there.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    I am a lady and my grandma always told me that actions speak louder than words. Sex is important to all humans. If you don't have a good sexual relationship then you wont have a good relationship in general. Here's the thing, relationships, especially the long term kind can get rather boring and often sex is the only thing that might break the monotony. So yes, find a lady that loves your man bits just as much as you love her lady bits.

    [–]MetacognitiveMan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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    unless she has medical or severe mental health problems, a decrease in sexual interest, frequency, and intensity is almost always a sign of big problems.

    Those are also signs of big problems as well but maybe not in the same way you mean.

    [–]RcskaSedd -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

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    One of our tenants is to ignore a woman's words and pay attention to her actions

    Kinda funny that mother day is comming up, Weeks before mother's day, my mom usually tells me and my brother that we dont have to get anything, all she wants is us to good, healthy, and not cause her so much stress. When mothers day rolls around, we typically get "WHERE IS MY CARD, WHERE IS MY GIFT?", wait a minute she just said that she didn't want anything, just for us to behave. Anyways long story short, ever since i started my journey about learning about women, ive learned from my mistakes and bought her a card, funny this morning she told me the exact same line she's been telling me for years. "Want all three of you to be good, i dont want a gift, i dont you taking me out, i just want this family to be peaceful.". We got her a card and taking her out for sushi tomorrow, all because of me because no one else wants to take charge.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    yep. thing is, my mother is and has been a terrible parent. zero guidance, zero advice, zero support system. she thinks the only thing to being a mother is buying groceries. if she wants a card and a gift she can ask for it. till then, her guilt trips slide right off me like oil.

    [–]COVERartistLOL -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

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    I think you guys need to try to understand the other side. Women grow up their whole lives being told that sex is wrong, that they shouldn't masturbate, that them being sexually makes them a slut. And than when they get into a relationship, you guys just expect them to flip a switch and act different from what they're taught? I get that sex is important. It's a bonding, connecting moment between two people. It allows you to understand them and see what they like sexually. But women grow up their whole lives being stigmatize for showing any kind of sexual interest or pleasure in wanting sex. Unlike us guys, who can be as sexual as we want and just blame it on testosterone and have it seen as acceptable.

    Now I'm not trying to excuse women who do this and deny their partner sex. I'm just simply trying to bring a different perspective into this. But yea, it is pretty screwed up if you're with a girl and she always turns down sex or makes you feel guilty for wanting it. obviously, you two aren't sexual compatible and shouldn't be together.

    [–]the_colon_poweler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    What wrongs about this statement is that even though many have been told this, most want sex more then men.

    But publicly shown as the ones who want sex the most.

    Think about it biologically, most men, after having sex, lose all interest in it for the moment and may even fall asleep.

    Whereas most women, can keep going and going, having all types of orgasms and sexual feels that us men can only dream about.

    The thought that men will not the secret of this is what they fear.... so they use it as a tool for war. It is all an illusion Neo

    [–]DougieTheCaker -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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    I don't think it is the biggest guage to be honest...A man maintaing fram is more important IMO

    [–]ProjectWheee -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

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    I'm winning as a muthafucka, yo.