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[–]theredpillager 46 points47 points  (31 children)

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I dated a bi polar chick on and off for a couple of years. In that time, I had to call the cops three times on her (you know, because society says I can't defend myself against her; it would just look like I beat the piss out of her to the law). Actually, the last of those three, a friend was present and HE called them. Each time, I was put out of the house, not her. As this taught me not to trust the police for domestic issues, I ultimately ended up with a BS charge when she called the cops after one of her blow-ups. The charge is expunged now, but the arrest record isn't. Best sex I've ever had and 100% not worth it. I'd rather fuck a land whale than go through any of that shit again.

Do not date crazies.

[–]MooMooMooN 28 points29 points  (6 children)

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We must have dated the same bi-polar chick. mine attacked me in the kitchen with a knife while I was making breakfast because I asked her nicely "can ya not slam the drawers?"

Call the police and she went from this crazy trying to kill me murderface.. to crying and making up how I raped her.

Not fun. AND NEVER AGAIN

[–]theredpillager 25 points26 points  (5 children)

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In one incident, she had cooked a nice meal for the two of us (she could really cook). I sat at the table, she put my plate in front of me and went to go make her own plate. I started to eat and was enjoying the meal, as one is wont to do.

She began to throw a tantrum when I didn't say thank you or comment on how good it was. She threw her plate of food across the room from the kitchen into the living room at me. I ducked and it shattered on the wall, ruining both our meals. I was like, "You crazy bitch, I just started fucking eating it! When I finished, I would have said 'thanks, babe; that was really good.' like a normal fucking person would! And now neither of us have food!"

She started taking shit out of the fridge and throwing it on the ground. I laughed at her and started taking pictures of her tantrum on my cell phone. I still have one of the photos somewhere. It's a good reminder of who not to date.

P.S. Crazy bitches do not respond to amused mastery the same as normal girls. lulz.

[–]MooMooMooN 16 points17 points  (4 children)

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Yeah.. don't ever laugh at a crazy chick during her manic episodes... that's like tossing gas on a bonfire..

[–]JewSupremacist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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land whales can be crazy too....

[–]HeadingRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Best sex I've ever had and 100% not worth it. I'd rather fuck a land whale than go through any of that shit again.

Wish I got this a long time ago.

[–]makethemsayayy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if it's expunged only law enforcement and military can see it

[–]variableLt 32 points33 points  (4 children)

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Can confirm that. One guy that I know, spent 10+ years trying to get a functioning relationship with love of his life that was having a clinically confirmed mental issues. In the end she ended her life on her own, and that almost pulled him on the same path as well.

Choose wisely gents.

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    [–]dancing_junkie 20 points21 points  (2 children)

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    Just literally ended it with my chronically depressed ex. I really needed that push. Fights every day. The fuck I need that shit in my life for. I've got a mission to continue.

    [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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    Not you specifically, but to anyone in similar situation: run.

    It might be easier to go for a girl with depression since it's like low hanging fruit, but sometimes if an apple is on the ground it's best to leave it there even if you are hungry.

    [–]dancing_junkie 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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    The one positive thing she gave me was made me realize what a pussy beta bitch I was. I allowed my self to become controlled by somebody who always thought they were right. Red flag people- If she says she is always right and all her ex's have told her this also... Run.

    [–]loin_fruit 12 points13 points  (1 child)

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    Dated a girl who suffered from anxiety and depression. Beginning of relationship she was completely fine and I never would have guessed she suffered. As soon as she became comfortable she used the anxiety and depression as a crutch and an excuse for everything.

    [–]Hujeta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    Yeah I've had that. It's rough.

    [–]Geocan001 24 points25 points  (9 children)

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    I'm going to share with you guys my experience with crazy in a LTR (lesson learned LONG before coming to TRP.)

    Things started out great. The sex was wild and lasted for hours at a time. In the heat of summer I would have to flip the mattress up on the bed for a couple of days and sleep on the couch after she'd been around to let the pools of sweat dry up. It wasn't uncommon to break for a drink or have a water bottle on hand those nights.

    After a period of months we got serious with each other. Six months after that, I stopped enjoying the sex. Shortly after that, I tried to slow the sex up. This did not go down well. Screaming matches ensued.

    Yet somehow, I still found the passivity to move in with her for a while. Don't even ask me why. I regard this as the largest mistake of my life to date. I lost my job at the same time, and she assumed financial control of the situation. I turned to videogames in an effort to ignore her, and used to masturbate in secret in the hopes I wouldn't be able to crack an erection that night.

    Of course, this was found out, and instead of being shamed for porn watching, it became a shared interest. Things got more explorative (role playing, costumes, watching porn together) and the sex life improved dramatically for a short while. But my interest quickly petered out again.

    Her frustration began to build, and it turned into violent outbursts. She used to hit me so hard she'd bruise her palms, then hit me some more because apparently it was my fault. One night, I actually refused her sex in the middle of one of her tantrums. I rolled over and dozed, not moving until I felt a sharp pain on my arm.

    She was a self-harmer as well, which was something we'd discussed and I thought she'd buried - literally as well as emotionally - before I moved in with her. I sat up and blood saturated my upper arm and t-shirt. She freaked and grabbed tissues. I have a scar just under 10cm long from that, and it still makes me queazy to think about it. It's the largest scar I have, which includes operations, animal attacks and misshaps with barbed wire fencing.

    The worst part is I covered for her ass by saying I rolled onto an exposed blade that must have been left out from unpacking a box.

    Moral of the story: Don't stick your dick in crazy.

    [–]theredpillager 13 points14 points  (6 children)

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    Dude, you might be one of my best friends. This is exactly his story...I wouldn't take him for a redditor though.

    [–]Geocan001 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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    Funny. I wouldn't take any of my mates for red pill material... Except one. Go you work security?

    [–]theredpillager 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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    I do not. Might just be purely coincidental.

    [–]Geocan001 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    That is a pretty insane coincidence.
    This just confirms: don't stick your dick in crazy.

    [–]Geocan001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    That is a pretty insane coincidence.
    This just confirms: don't stick your dick in crazy.

    [–]HeadingRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Add another to "dated crazy and stabby" list.

    [–]aslan4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    dude follow up

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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    Wait, she sliced your arm with a razor? Because you wouldn't have sex that night?

    [–]captainramen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    t wasn't uncommon to break for a drink or have a water bottle on hand those nights.

    Two minute warning! Two minutes!

    [–]Drogoe 34 points35 points  (13 children)

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    Throwing out some info from something I wrote before:

    Every man needs to be educated on this topic, because it could save his life.

    Speaking from experience with BPD women, and the occasional man, this mental disorder can be summarized as follows: broken emotion-whores who get off on manufactured drama, hurting others, and manipulation to an extreme degree.

    Most men are naive and delusional about the rancid pit of darkness that is the heart of BPD women, who are roughly equivalent to (though not precisely) male psychopaths. It's an underexplored topic. We know how dangerous male psychopaths can be, but we rarely consider how dangerous a BPD female can be when she gets her claws into an unsuspecting victim.

    Here are two must-read articles. (I've never visited these blogs before so can't speak for the rest of their content.)

    http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/29/1251025/-Borderline-Personality-Disorder-Heroic-Martyr-or-Emotional-Vampire

    http://illimitablemen.com/2014/02/17/lucifers-daughter/

    You'll know the BPD creature by its theatrical emotionality, breathless incoherent and contradictory accusations (a projection of their own misdeeds usually), and endless lying and "gaslighting" (trying to make you feel like the crazy one).

    I bet plenty of you have experience with them.

    They get off on the self-righteous abuse of others, they have a deep craving to exert power by hurting and controlling others, and a craving to feel like a poor widdle innocent victim despite being the architect of all the drama and generally being a massive insufferable thundering cunt. Thankfully such wretched toxic monsters are rare, maybe 2% of the population, roughly around the same frequency as male psychopaths.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

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    My ex wife is BPD. terrible terrible things towards the end of that mess.

    [–]aazav 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    And so was my mother. I had to leave.

    [–]1iluminatiNYC 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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    Been there...done that...and helped run the support group for people like us. Seriously.

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      [–]1iluminatiNYC 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      [–]veege2007 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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      I can confirm about the lying. Was dating this girl and used to call her out on her Bullshit every know and then. Also at around our 3rd date, she almost broke in tears when I playfully said "I don't like you" (like you know how a normal person would catch you are being sarcastic), and another day she made this huge fucking deal calling me a stalker and getting pissed just because I was having some drinks with my friends in the same bar she was with her friends. Crazy people will drag you down with them, stay away and learn the red flags.

      [–]aazav 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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      Manufactured drama. That's it 100%.

      Here's my hypothesis on the subject based on observation of some close family members.

      If that person lives a life where just when all is well, something terrible happens, and it happens over and over again, if that pattern ever stops, they must continue it because it has become their life.

      This person will never realize it, will never accept it, and life with them will be a constant "everything is going fine… time for a disaster!"

      It's horrible, and if this is a parent, it can create fucked up offspring.

      [–]quantum25 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      God this describes my cunt sister perfectly. The last two paragraphs are SPOT ON. She hasn't been officially diagnosed with anything, but I think that's because she's coddled all the time and assumed to just not have as well of emotional control as others do.

      [–]socio_j 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      This first article is extremely accurate in describing the characteristics of this horrible personality disorder. ofcourse some things i do not agree with. Perhaps research needs to be done to determine gender differences between BPD males and females.

      [–]Gami_Lon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      My husband dated a borderline. He has a ton of these stories. Here's one of them:

      The two of them were getting lunch one day. The restaurant where they were eating also did weddings. As they walked by a wedding reception, his borderline girlfriend noticed that there were about two hundred people at the reception, just on the other side of the door. She opened the door to the wedding reception and began removing her top.

      He stopped her from entering.

      But just think about this one for a minute:

      This borderline was prepared to ruin someone's wedding reception, in front of two hundred people, simply because she could. And she did it so casually, the same way that a normal person would cross the street or hail a cab.

      As the borderline saw it, there were two hundred people paying attention to someone BESIDES HER and she knew how to stop it: take her top off.

      And could you imagine how that would affect the poor girl getting married? Some borderline wing nut isn't getting enough attention, so she needs to crap all over her wedding? And it's not like she even KNEW the girl; it was completely reflexive.

      [–]1Gavlan_Wheel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      For a good example of someone with borderline personality disorder in the media, Tony Soprano's mom had BPD.

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        [–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Facts my dude. I know from painful experience.

        [–]autowikibot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Borderline personality disorder:


        Borderline personality disorder (BPD) (called emotionally unstable personality disorder, emotional intensity disorder, or borderline type in the ICD-10) is a cluster-B personality disorder, the essential feature of which is a pattern of marked impulsivity and instability of affects, interpersonal relationships and self image. The pattern is present by early adulthood and occurs across a variety of situations and contexts.

        Other symptoms usually include intense fears of abandonment and intense anger and irritability, the reason for which others have difficulty understanding. People with BPD often engage in idealization and devaluation of others, alternating between high positive regard and great disappointment. Self-harm and suicidal behavior are common.

        The disorder is recognized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Because a personality disorder is a pervasive, enduring, and inflexible pattern of maladaptive inner experiences and pathological behavior, there is a general reluctance to diagnose personality disorders before adolescence or early adulthood. However, some emphasize that without early treatment symptoms may worsen.


        Interesting: Management of borderline personality disorder | Minnesota Borderline Personality Disorder Scale | Personality disorder | Dissociative identity disorder

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        [–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (25 children)

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        Chiming in with my bi-monthly ex-wife bash.

        From the Don't Ignore the Crazy video, she suffered from:

        1. Rapid mood swings to include violence - she's only hit me once but the time she hit me was when I called the police when she told me my ex-best friend raped her. I guess I was the crazy one. /s

        2. O.C.D. - if I made a wrong turn down a road (we always had GPS on us between our phones and actual GPS devices) then I could expect to be bitched out about it because it didn't go "according to [her] plan."

        3. Paranoid when not high - constantly worrying if her cousin was going to call CPS on her, worrying about how bills were going to get paid when she didn't work and spent money on frivolous things (like the $300 I sunk into her going-nowhere business).

        4. Self harm - Not only self-harm, but self-harm to resolve relationship-ending arguments. Before the wedding I wanted to break up because of how crazy she was being. She ran to the bathroom and started cutting. Two other instances where I wanted a divorce and she started cutting.

        5. Gets insulted all the time - "Someone made a blog post about fat women, I must rip them to shreds!" For the record, she's about 5'6" and was about my weight at the time (250~ lbs). Any kind of attempt my mother made to improve her mothering skills (such as, play with them, acknowledge their existence, try not to let them swallow a bottle of children's Tylenol) was a bitchfest in my ear for an hour. She couldn't take criticism. Neither can I, but I don't blow up on people like she did. Mine is more of an implosion than an explosion.

        6. Excessive needyness - I was trying to finish up school when I decided to get a divorce, but before that, during my classes, she would constantly text me, asking when I'd be home. From 6 PM to 10 PM, nothing but whining and nagging. And if I did stay somewhere later than I had originally told her, that means I was cheating on her. I went to see a divorce lawyer and came home 3 hours late. Granted, an excessive amount of time for no-contact in a marriage (especially during rush hour) but it wasn't an instant jump to "stuck in traffic". No mention of "did you get in an accident". It was "you smell like cookies, who have you been fucking?" And when I told her no one, which was the truth, she made up a story about me talking in my sleep and incriminating myself. Which leads into...

        7. Pathological deception - Lying was this bitch's middle name. She would lie to everyone she knows but then tell me "oh, I would never lie to you", which was, in all ironic glory, a lie. Too many fake pregnancies to count. Said my ex-best friend raped her. Made up two internet personas, one to scare the everloving shit out of me (for no reason) and the other to sleep with an old friend of mine. She lied to our former roommate (ex-best friend) by saying she washed all the dishes by hand so he should clean up the rest of the house. After he did so, she informed me she lied to manipulate him and she actually fixed the dishwasher.

        The consequences I faced were:

        1. Delusional pregnancy - she tried to lie and say she was pregnant when she knew there was something up with me (hell-bent on divorce).

        2. Manipulation - As evident from the above line items, she was lie-friendly. So many manipulation tactics that would allow her to have her cake and eat it too. Wanted to have sex with my best friend? "Oh, he raped me and I was quiet about it for months." Create a fake Facebook persona to try to fuck my best friend? "Oh, it was one of my exes playing pranks!"

        One thing he failed to place on that list of consequences was financial ruin. I'm not ruined, by any stretch of the word, but my wallet definitely took a hit. A year of close calls and maximum frugality. While I have suffered only two of his consequences, a couple others could be down the line.

        1. Accused of rape - She'll do it to my best friend, she has the ability to do it to me. Might get a letter a couple months from now saying I need to appear in court for alleged rape. Even though I've blogged about turning her down on sex.

        2. Paternity test - She's already pregnant with her third kid (y'know, because she handled two so well) and I'm waiting for the moment I get a letter in the mail saying I need to submit a paternity test. Doesn't matter that I haven't seen her in 10 months, she'll lie about the date or say that I paid her a visit and claim it's mine. Can't wait to get a vasectomy so I can avoid this unneeded shit.

        3. Destruction of property - I work close to where her cousin lives and aunt works, and I'll be moving closer to work early next year. There's a good chance they can recognize my car, driving around my neighborhood and wreck it. But that's all paranoia at this stage.

        4. Ass kicked - Probably the most likely one. Judging from what I've seen her spew out of her mouth to the rest of her family, I've been reimaged as a monster. She's made no mistakes in their eyes and I'm just a family wrecker. Selfish, greedy family wrecker. No doubt she'll projectile vomit this horrendous lie to the wrong person and I'll meet the wrong end of a steel-toed work boot. Which could lead to #6 - Severe injury, or (hopefully not) #7 - Death.

        Don't ignore the signs, guys.

        [–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (1 child)

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        Those aren't signs. Those are giant air-raid sirens with fliers being sent down to warn you about the hiroshima sized ball of shit you are getting yourself into.

        A sign would be like, she's approaching 30, gets really excited about other babies and puppies, goes "aww" whenever she sees baby clothes - especial socks or shoesies, finds a boyfriend who makes more money than her, but still says she doesn't want kids.

        [–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        I had the exact same thing happen to me...until I found the baby clothes she had in stock from before she met me. I ended up using them on our daughter.

        [–]cynwrig 10 points11 points  (5 children)

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        Don't ignore the signs, guys

        And do you have any words of wisdom for those guys out there thinking "I can weather the storm with the power of love. I can fix her with my strength/patience/love"?

        Because we all know there is some guy out there thinking that after reading your warning. Right?

        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 18 points19 points  (1 child)

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        If he doesn't, I do. You can't fix her, she won't change, and she will make your life a living hell. He is describing my first wife and her bipolar ass perfectly. I was accused of everything she was doing, and once I figured that out it was easier to know what she was doing.

        The lies though, that is every fucking one of them. You will be a rapist, abusive controlling asshole, small dick, and of course you will be the one who cheated.

        Second wife was a unicorn for nine years, until she was on ADHD meds for three years, and abusing them for the last year. Never lied, never thought about cheating, then she met a 24 year old kid and in a matter of three days lost her fucking mind. Within a week she had framed me with him for vandalizing his truck, abusing her, threatening to kill him, and terrorising his dad. Her mother let this kid sleep with my wife at her house, and then lied about it and went on a holy crusade against me because I found out. Women will lie if they are going to get in trouble or be embarrassed, expect it.

        You can't change them, don't even try.

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        I'll piggy-back off your comment.

        And do you have any words of wisdom for those guys out there thinking "I can weather the storm with the power of love. I can fix her with my strength/patience/love"?

        This song comes to mind.

        I went into that relationship with the same kind of mentality that you described. I looked at it as "Here's a single mom, living with her mother & her boyfriend, two kids growing up without a dad. I'm going to don my superhero cloak and give them a better life than they have right now." I guess, if you look at it in a certain light, I succeeded. I gave them a better life than they had at the time. But, there's no such thing as a free lunch. You sacrifice yourself to make the lives of others better.

        When people say "I can fix them with X, Y, and Z", what they're really saying is "I'm going to sacrifice X, Y, and Z for this person to have a better life." This concept works if the person you sacrificed everything for turns out to be an honorable person. Your generosity is returned (sometimes in greater magnitudes) and everyone has benefited from the transaction. Most of these situations, in my experience, was when I was helping out a fellow man. I rarely get this kind of return from a woman.

        And given TRP's tenants, it makes sense. The first tenant of Briffault's law states that "Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association". So, those guys that say "I'm going to lend her money so she can get out of debt and lead a less stressful life" is essentially throwing their money into a bonfire. Sure, it may pay off her debts. Sure, she may be less stressed out later. But through her hamster, she'll rationalize that it was something that she did and not entirely your grace bestowed upon her. And she could drop you faster than you can say "You're welcome". "He was such a nice guy and he paid all my bills." And that's not guaranteeing she'll stay out of debt. Long after you're gone, she'll rack the credit card back up or decide to go back to school and we're back at square one again.

        The lies though, that is every fucking one of them. You will be a rapist, abusive controlling asshole, small dick, and of course you will be the one who cheated.

        The last time I saw my ex-wife was the day of the divorce, after the trial. We went to lunch afterwards (I know, I already got ripped about it). I told her that the day that I was 3 hours late, I was seeing a divorce lawyer. But I can guarantee that didn't make it through the channels to her family. I was checking what she was up to earlier in the year via Facebook stalking (I really don't know why I torture myself like this) and saw a post about a new boyfriend. Her aunt had commented, "Just be careful. You don't want him to be like the last one." There's a vat of hateful lies going around in that family about me, but I haven't gotten my ass beat or cops sic'd on me yet, so I'm not worrying about it. Yet.

        Second wife was a unicorn for nine years, until she was on ADHD meds for three years, and abusing them for the last year. Never lied, never thought about cheating, then she met a 24 year old kid and in a matter of three days lost her fucking mind. Within a week she had framed me with him for vandalizing his truck, abusing her, threatening to kill him, and terrorising his dad. Her mother let this kid sleep with my wife at her house, and then lied about it and went on a holy crusade against me because I found out.

        Sounds like you went through a similar hell. My ex-wife was on anxiety medicine when I met her (ironic since she didn't have to pay rent and her only chore around the house was dishes, and she needed ANXIETY MEDICINE). After she faked a pregnancy to get me to propose, she hopped off the pills and the monster emerged. For all I know, the pills could've been another lie to explain her recent shitty behavior or to give her a free pass for being a bitch. It's all hindsight paranoia shit that'll rot your brain.

        The shitty thing is, her sister saw everything. She knew how my ex-wife acted, she knew the stress I was under. She saw the tantrums her sister threw, her irresponsibility of going to a bar without a ride home and hoping her soon-to-be ex-husband takes her home (I did), saw her hit me when I tried to get the cops to do something about the death threats and rape "confession", heard every story about how the kids had to go to the hospital emergency room once a month due to neglect from their mother. But when I was done and dumping that whore back in her mother's home, it was instantly (to me): "How can you do this? You're tearing this family apart!" No one cares how the man is being torn apart, just the status of the wife and kids matter. That's why I'm getting a vasectomy, and unfortunately my job requires me to have a left ring finger, otherwise I'd get it surgically removed.

        The worst of it all is how my family and even coworkers react now. "You'll find the right girl." There is no girl. Relationships are overrated. Marriage is horrible. Divorce is painful. Because (as /u/vengefully_yours has pointed out), your precious girl who would never hurt you will turn into a psychopath under the right circumstances. Your Walter White has become Heisenberg. All of them can flip. It's like a light switch. Some are harder to flip, but all of them will under the right amount of pressure.

        [–]randombazooka 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        Holy crap, it's the beta version of "I can fix him!"

        [–]aazav 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        And do you have any words of wisdom for those guys out there thinking "I can weather the storm with the power of love. I can fix her with my strength/patience/love"?

        You're fucking kidding yourself, no, you're deluding yourself. You WANT this to work, but it's like wanting heroin to work and have no downsides.

        It will fuck you up in the end and you are the only person convincing yourself to do it.

        [–]QQ_L2P 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Words of wisdom? We have a sidebar full of them.

        Personal addendum? You're insane, but it's your life to waste. If you think someone else's deranged sloppy seconds will make you the happiest man alive then be my guest. But know this. The "sunk costs" fallacy is a thing.

        [–]Modern_Drummer 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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        Dude, sorry but why'd somebody marry a 250lbs woman? (sorry)

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        She faked a pregnancy knowing I was the kind of guy who would do the "right and honorable thing". Including raising two kids that weren't biologically mine.

        [–]makethemsayayy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        im fucking angry just thinking about this fat bitch

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        She would lie to everyone she knows but then tell me "oh, I would never lie to you", which was, in all ironic glory, a lie.

        Amazingly insightful post on crazies for the uninitiated, but this is the opposite of irony, this is expected from liars. Maybe that's just trp in me talking...

        [–]elevul 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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        Christ, that's brutal. I hope you get out of it well.

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        I got out of the situation with her, but I still have the financial fallout. I'm on frugality mode until February 2015.

        [–]makethemsayayy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        hey man, he's out of the relationship, but she's still fat.

        fat women will always be fat after 30, lol.

        [–]giraffe34 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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        What happened to the kids that weren't related to you? Are they alright?

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        With "alright" being loosely defined here, they're alive and probably fed. But they've got a dumbass for a mom, which will only transpose onto them since they have no-one admirable to idolize. Even my ex's mom was no saint (cheated on two of her ex-husbands). They're on a fast-track to nowhere because of the horrible, vile woman that their mother is.

        [–]aazav 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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        You said "paranoid when not high".

        High on what? If it's coke, that's a HUGE warning sign. If it was, you might want to read my post in this thread.

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        In the video, the guy said pot. Some of his friends got paranoia from it. I was directly quoting his line items.

        [–]iSpewGarbage 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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        My ex would start hitting her head against the sidewalk when we got into an argument outside once. I called an ambulance, and of course as soon as they get there I get two meatheads asking me "did you hit her bro".

        [–]iceet 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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        Ass kicked - Probably the most likely one. Judging from what I've seen her spew out of her mouth to the rest of her family, I've been reimaged as a monster. She's made no mistakes in their eyes and I'm just a family wrecker. Selfish, greedy family wrecker. No doubt she'll projectile vomit this horrendous lie to the wrong person and I'll meet the wrong end of a steel-toed work boot. Which could lead to #6 - Severe injury, or (hopefully not) #7 - Death.

        Buy a firearm for self-defense. Learn how to and don't be afraid to use it if necessary.

        [–]makethemsayayy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        real shit. like this fat bitch is gonna let me get my ass beat.

        nah son, if some nigga in her family tries some shit ice 'em

        [–]cmxhtwn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Shame on you for even being so foolish as to maintain an LTR...are a masochist of some type.

        [–]ogrethebuffoon 18 points19 points  (4 children)

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        Speaking as a guy with bipolar disorder type I, there's a big difference between someone who's managing their disorder well and someone who is not. If they're taking care of themselves with proper nutrition, sleep, exercise, sun, meditation, meds, etc., then it could be many years before you even see them have any serious symptoms often due to very stressing circumstances that would throw anyone for a loop (although of course not as bad as we have it). We're at least worth dating if everything else is in order. I don't think anyone is worth marrying, bipolar or not.

        I agree that if someone has a mental illness and they're not taking responsibility for it, then run and don't look back. But don't completely write off everyone who is diagnosed even if those of us who manage it well are a minority. You could be missing out on a wonderful person.

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        With all due respect, playing devils advocate here:

        You could be missing out on something wonderful

        Not really. If your successful you have access to a large pool of people, so by filtering out mental illness you'll still be left with a big variety of people. The risk reward maths would indicate it's simply better to write off those with mental illnesses, even if you miss out on someone who is otherwise good the flip side of the coin is too great.

        Granted if your someone that has isn't so successful it might be your only option but I implore everyone that can to do so.

        [–]ogrethebuffoon 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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        That's fair. I just personally wouldn't want to be written off like that when I know I have a lot to offer.

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        I stated this in my top level reply to the post: my personal view is that it's different between male and female here. You can and should all think what you want based off your past experiences, however to me it appears on average the males are much better at dealing with and potentially resolving part or all of their condition. I'm of the view females are more prone to letting it affect those around them and due to the already low accountability it just like adding oil to fire.

        So to clarify, my line of reasoning doesn't conclude that you should be written off just because of your condition.

        [–]ogrethebuffoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        I see what you're saying, of the few other bipolar people I know of I think it's true that most of the men still manage to support themselves. The women seem to attract white knight betas or they remain a burden to their family.

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        Finally I can say the truth here without getting shot down — it's best not to associate with women who have mental health problems And Or medicate themselves with drugs used in its treatment (eg Xanax).

        The reason is simple: it's a disorder, think of it like fat girls. We're repulsed by fat girls, because who really wants children with the complications a fat woman brings to them? Same thing with the crazies, society today loves to romanticise mental illness and be very accepting of it, but the truth of it is if you yourself are mental well adjusted, then you shouldn't settle for less.

        The stats show that females suffer from mental illness twice as much as males in basically every category. Medications for mental illnesses don't actually solve the problem, they just cover the symptom. It should be a huge red flag to hear a girl is popping pills for her mind/mood as it indicates an inability to solve the root problem and instead just patch on top. Bear in mind yes some people are justified and have had bad experiences in the past, but the world isn't fair and you should stay away from them no less.

        Also a past containing mental illness is also a no go. Girls don't seem to have mental stability these days (I chalk it up to neuroticism and social media but that's just me) so if she was crazy in the past, you bet ya that when the going gets tough it'll resurface. The hamster would love to operate under the guise of a mental disorder, it's basically a free socially acceptable ticket to no accountability. You might think, but if a guy had mental illness in the past and got over it are you saying he's a step away from relapse? Nope. Men are much mentally stronger and stable these days, just look at the stats if you don't believe me. We have the tendency to make deeper change and not be slaves to faulty tendencies, so when a man changes he really changes but a woman's change is more flavour of the month.

        Hope this helped someone, but just to reiterate

        you have every right and should act on it: don't associate with crazy

        [–]bananashammock 2 points3 points  (6 children)

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        What complications does a fat woman bring to children?

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        http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=maternal+obesity+effects&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=ymbMU6CyNoH38QXnpYGYAQ&ved=0CBgQgQMwAA

        Google scholar link

        Basically it increases risk of birth defects, which as a potential mate is probably the worst thing that could happen.

        Also makes it harder to conceive. My conjecture is there is probably a reason we don't get aroused to fat woman.

        Then you have less direct reasons such as role modelling, inability to keep up with kids, bad eating habits etc.

        [–]bananashammock 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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        Our culture as current does not generally view fatter women as attractive. Can this be said across all cultures and time periods? Are these increased odds of complications and the actual complications themselves enough to warrant likening having a child with a fat girl to getting into a relationship with a woman that has a serious mental disorder?

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        Those questions are out of my area of knowledge so sorry I don't know (anyone else feel free to chime in).

        The last q, probably not as overtly visible but I'd say based on my gut feeling yes.

        [–]Yoda7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Obesity is a serious health risk for many serious diseases. It costs more to treat than smoking related diseases. There are clutures that value obese women. Most cultures have adhered to the magic hip to waist ratio. The 36 24 36 body type.

        [–]TurgidMeatWand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Olden times fat isn't the same as modern day obese. Being a little jiggly was a benefit because it meant you had money and the resources to survive the winter.

        [–]BlueChilli 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        Recent research suggests that obese women are more likely to have autistic children.

        [–]2 Mredpillschool 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        It should be a huge red flag to hear a girl is popping pills for her mind/mood as it indicates an inability to solve the root problem and instead just patch on top.

        Good luck finding a non-pill-popper woman in the USA.

        [–]Nysem 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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        Tried dating a chick who is bi-polar/severely depressed. Absolute nightmare.

        TL;DR - Never stick your dick in crazy.

        [–]Hujeta 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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        BPD - Not even once. It's basically proof that the devil exists.

        [–]PM_ME_BOOBIES_PLX 46 points47 points  (15 children)

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        just dont marry

        [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 18 points19 points  (12 children)

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        Life is short, so why put yourself through that? And I'm not just talking about getting married. Even dating a crazy chick is hell after a while.

        If you want a taste of sex wiih crazy, then just make her one of your plates.

        edit: lol, that's a big edit above. their op was wildly different.

        [–]Thurmut 21 points22 points  (5 children)

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        If you want a taste of sex wiih crazy, then just make her one of your plates.

        My cousin was stabbed with a fork because a plate suddenly got the idea that he thought she was an object.

        [–]Fzed600 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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        Did he put her in her place?

        [–]QQ_L2P 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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        After having a fork stuck in him he was probably done.

        [–]Thurmut 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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        Kind of, but then they made up. She was extraordinary hot.

        [–]Hateblade 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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        So he learned nothing. I hope he's still alive.

        [–]theredpillager 21 points22 points  (4 children)

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        If you want a taste of sex wiih crazy, then just make her one of your plates.

        No, don't even do this. One and done them. ONS only. Do not share contact details and only fuck at their place, a friend of their's place, or in public. You do not want real crazies knowing where you live.

        [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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        On second thought, you're right. Or at least never let them find out where you live.

        [–]theredpillager 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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        Yeah, for serious. Dating a real crazy teaches one a lot. Only people who haven't dated a legit crazy would consider plating one an option, so I envy that you have probably avoided them thus far! All women have mild amounts of crazy, but the real thing is fucking scary.

        [–]legedu 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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        Sometimes I miss the crazy sex, but I never miss the police and suicide threats. This guy is 100% right.

        [–]throw8way0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        bsutansalt, this is throw8way0. Enjoy the orangered. It makes a nice change to the red.

        [–]throw8way0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        bsutansalt, this is throw8way0. Enjoy the orangered. It makes a nice change to the red.

        [–]surprisecockfags 8 points9 points  (1 child)

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        Nah marriage is cool. Just do your intel on your prospective lifetime partner. Lots of women are crazy and living with them can really make your life a drag, but i've found out that most women that have had a stable upbringing with their parents and have great relationships with mother and father turn out to be the least mental leaving aside monthly hormonal issues! Great relationship with mum and dad= marriage material. Girls with daddy issues, that hate their mum or are from broken families have just not learnt how to act in a traditional family unit, are broken wrecks unable to form lasting relationships. Problem is, there are a lot of broken families out there.

        [–]marzoopial 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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        At the current suicide and addiction rates for men after divorce rape, your advice amounts to "Russian Roulette is chill, just make sure you use a safe gun."

        Men who avoid suicide and addiction are still faced with alimony, child support, and the limitless power that family and divorce courts will have over the remainder of their lives.

        Find the movie Divorce Corp streaming online (I found it with a quick Google search) and watch it. Men don't get married in 2014, they lease a woman from the government, then continue to pay the bill even after the lease is over.

        [–]Sherlock--Holmes 6 points7 points  (2 children)

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        So in other words, stay single.

        [–]1 Endorsed Contributorjsl2837 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 24 points25 points  (10 children)

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        And just to hammer home the point of why you shouldn't get into relationships with women with mental issues, mental illness qualifies for at-fault divorce! If you can legally divorce someone who's bi-polar, BPD, etc, what's that tell you about them being relationship material to begin with?

        Is this for reals? If this is the case then I will revise my previous declaration that marriage counselling and shrinks are useless... Just get her diagnosed as bipolar or some shit and you can get an at-fault divorce and probably leave with your shirt on your back instead of losing half of everything.

        This is something we should be letting men in marriages that want an exit strategy know so they can form a better exit strategy that leave them with less divorce rape to deal with.

        [–]seenoevil-taway 20 points21 points  (1 child)

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        This was too good to be true. The article is citing this book that says it has to be severe mental illness and provides one example of custody given to the father after the bipolar wife showed bizarre behavior in the courtroom.

        [–]widec 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        It's definitely only in extreme cases. People with mental illness tend to be crazy manipulative, they'll put on as good person act in the courtroom without hesitation and look sane for the time being.

        [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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        you can get an at-fault divorce and probably leave with your shirt on your back instead of losing half of everything.

        Nope. Even with at-fault divorce the rules still apply about them getting half your stuff. Most states an at-fault just means you don't have to deal with the 6-12 month cooling off period before the divorce will be processed.

        [–]throw8way0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        bsutansalt, this is throw8way0. Enjoy the orangered. It makes a nice change to the red.

        [–]PrinceofSpades 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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        And this is literally one of three primary reasons why I plan on pursuing marriage counseling as a career. Never underestimate the value of a psychological diagnosis in the court of law. EVER. Whether you believe it can help you or not is completely irrelevant to its true purpose: if you test more "sane" than your S.O., you have a small shot at winning the divorce and custody of the children.

        That, and it is stupidly easy to do, and stupidly good money if you set up shop in the right area (west coast).

        [–]Rors3 19 points20 points  (0 children)

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        Don't stick your dick in crazy.

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorWhisper 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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        Law of Power #10, Avoid the Unhappy and Unlucky.

        [–]DplaysGuitar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        I wish I knew this years ago.

        [–]Yoda7 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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        What if you ARE the unlucky? Surround yourself with those luckier than you?

        [–]TurgidMeatWand 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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        A lot of times unlucky people aren't unlucky so much as playing victim to circumstances and not doing anything to improve it. Example: had bpd parents, brings it up everytime something doesn't go thier way and goes into the fetal position =victim. had bpd parents, gets help goes to support groups and works on problems =actually unlucky.

        [–]Olipyr 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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        One thing to add is chicks with daddy issues.

        [–]NillaThunda 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        Every man should teach his children not to put their dick in crazy. Then no one would have to listen to this rambling.

        [–]petite_squirrel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        I knew someone who dated a women, knew she was crazy (some combination of schizophrenia with psychotic breaks), married her. She can't hardly hold a job, and at least a few times she's driven across country to see her ex. Her ex hates her, once she showed up at his work, would not leave. followed him home, attempted to break into his apartment. Psycho shit. She's got her mental issues under control now though, she's a 10/10 now but I don't think it's worth it to get into a bad relationship with the intention of trying to fix the other person.

        Don't stick your puddin' pop in crazy.

        [–]where2cop123 4 points5 points  (6 children)

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        I'm going to add a counterpoint here: The onus is still on the guys for being susceptible for getting into relationships with a BPD chick.

        There are emotionally-secure folks with secure 'boundaries' whom will probably never get caught into all the shit-storm of drama with personality-disordered folks. There is something to note about finding your way with such folks.

        The relationship dynamics and a having partner with such "issues" is a lot to say for yourself as well. I'm not here to spur moral imposition, but I'd consider this a point for reflection.

        [–]1iluminatiNYC 2 points3 points  (5 children)

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        Yes, and no. If you keep dating women like that, then yeah, I'd agree with you. On the flip side, anyone is susceptible to a moment of not being on top of their game. All someone like that needs is one opening, and you're in trouble.

        [–]where2cop123 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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        So essentially what you're positing here is a mere personal opinion?

        *For people with a secure base and secure boundaries it's not even about "being on top of their game" or instilling the notions of any sort of "game". Some folks just "do" in an oblivious sense to all this mantra and spiel of "game". Basically some people just don't give BPD folks the time of day or "entry" to reap havoc in relationships, many don't react or get into such relationships at all. However, if you grew up in a dysfunctional household, unfortunately yes, you're going to be more likely to solicit similar folks as a partner; it's mutual and reciprocal. This is why hood-rat folks from broken-families end up seeking out dysfunctional relationships, which further perpetuates the cycle of intra- and inter-generational dysfunctional traumata – nonetheless the seemingly endless cycle of poverty.

        The notions of game is essentially self-applied cognitive-behaviorism and incessant rationalization and self-justifications to thwart off vulnerability to potentially parasitic/toxic relations. It is simply false bravado, a mere defensive antic to be a "real" authentic person without having to resort to pseudo-informed tactics and strategy. However, it should be best acknowledged that the inherent issue lies precursor to applying any sort of "game" or whatever sexual strategy. Just because one is a tier-up and is working-class, doesn't mean their intrapsychic or emotional development is up there to procure mature intimate relations with a significant other. Let's also realize that socioeconomic class, education, "game" or no "game" is irrelevant to psychodynamic psychology and one's therein relational connection to potential partners.

        I think it would do you a good service to read the works of James F. Masterson and if you could Otto Kernberg, only if you're intellectually inclined and serious. It absolves the notions of TRP of absolute justifications into a rather dynamic expositions that may be more fruitful for psychodynamic introspection, that of which hopefully absolves the need to conjure such mentally-taxing application of "game" day-to-day. For me, I'd rather just "be" which is the best "game" out there in town. ;)

        [–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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        Interesting response, and it deserves a measured reply. For one, I know who Masterson and Kernberg are. Heck, Kernberg, for all intents and purposes, wrote the book on borderline personality disorder, in effect writing the Old Testatment to Marsha Linehan's New Testament. I also was a peer advisor to a support group for those with romantic relationships with those who have borderline personality disorder and have spoken to literally hundreds of different people, and on occasion met up with people face to face. Suffice to say I have a good deal of practical experience, if not necessarily a formal psych background.

        Now you are accurate about secure bases and boundaries being important in relationships. There's a reason that I've heard about No More Mr. Nice Guy both here and my support group. There are a lot of people who did grow up in dysfunctional circumstances on here. That said, I do know from my experience that anyone can have issues adjusting to stress and trauma in their lives, and there are countless examples of this happening. If someone with BPD comes across someone in such a state, you're going to be in that type of relationship, even if the odds say you shouldn't be. You're right about patterns, but your answer is simple, neat and wrong.

        Now, are you right that the vast majority of people on the Red Pill could use therapy? Yes. I've been through a few cycles myself, and it definitely helps. Does that make the Red Pill a Bad Thing? No, especially in light of the cognitive-behavorism that is at root of a lot of the idea. Heck, Mark Manson, a noted PUA has fessed up to just as much in his own writing. Your critique is begging the question, big time. It's much better for someone with issues to do something, especially if that something is helpful, than to wait for the perfect circumstances to help themselves. The Red Pill helps. Is it perfect? No, but it is a useful step in the right direction. The next step is up to the individual themselves.

        [–]where2cop123 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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        Nice! It's great that you have some anecdotal experience to back this up. I'm all for it. Everything is well said.

        You're right about patterns, but your answer is simple, neat and wrong.

        Can you delve a bit and expand with your thoughts here as what is "wrong" with my specific statement there?

        Regarding about Marsha Linehan's New Testament, she, as well as John Gunderson, whom brought psychodynamic descriptions of borderline pathology as a deterministic BPD classification into the DSM-III, to which both actually owes a lot in regards to Kernberg's work–but unfortunately is still at odds with him, because well, you know it's psychoanalytic metapsychology (observation and conjecture) at the end of the day.. though he and his colleagues is "manualizing" Transference-Focused Psychotherapy (TFP) into the likes of DBT's group-therapy (which I think is inferior and inadequate).

        I don't disagree with most of what you say; I'll admit I did veer on the extreme in favor of alleviating intrapsychic conflicts, especially with regards to folks whom are seemingly absolved of such emotionally dysfunctional mishaps. TRP does provide a good framework to understanding things as not everyone is bestowed with the intragenerational passing-on of what connotes 'healthy relationship' dynamics – obstructed with personality disorders or not. Mark Manson iirc utilizes 'Attachment Theory' and personally, I'd rather just go through the source (John Bowlby's and other attachment-infant researchers) and conjure my own perspectives that I can tailor and adapt to my needs. Conversely, on the flip-side to this, folks whom take his work – using your reference – as a "testament" in an absolute manner, then it's where folks can run into difficulties and mishaps.

        However what I should have explained better is that a lot of TRP can be misguided application just like PUA/seduction community. Luckily, it seems the community here is more academically inclined and utilizes Elisabeth Kübler-Ross's five stages of grieving from the get-go, rather than Venusian Arts sticking-points. Many folks should be seeking out psychotherapy especially if it's of a "social" disharmony and not a "nature" neurological condition that impairs whatever from eliciting a sense of subjective well-being, as well as procure healthy and nonetheless fruitful relationships. Psychiatry, counseling, marriage/family therapy, or neurology could be just an equal answer as well. It's a starting-point, but if you're familiar with analytic theory, then it makes sense for person seeking out answers because we're driven by libido and sexual drives, which of course probably motivates many in whatever learnings for if they are sexually frustrated.

        That said, TRP can be an excellent framework to understand things that "should have" been passed down but somehow got lost or never properly understood. I also won't deny that it's just an amalgamation of perspectives but it is neither definitive or concrete, but like as you say, it is indeed a useful step in the right direction. I mean I suppose this stuff can also be answers and justifications or sorts to folks to come to peace with, whom may never be physically able to procure "healthy" intimate relations. And besides many social work and psychology papers already exemplify the destructiveness of family dysfunction that TRP/Feminism attempts to address and berate; in observation, much is nothing new; but both do however provoke public outcry for those whom take it with misogynistic/misandrist undertones, because of the less-than politically-correct and insensitively aggressive attitudes.

        Though, I just think for the most part a lot of TRP folks can and should seek out psychotherapy. Like the misogynistic reputation that the sub gets, it really does show in partners with BPD folks. Perhaps it's undeniably inevitable given the unfortunate circumstances in and of the real world. In short, I just think it's a lot of misunderstanding at its reductionistic core; it may or may not assist or "solve" anything but it does provide thoughts to analyze and think about. And as with Marsha's DBT which I have issues with (which is another topic), if folks don't absorb TRP from an introspective manner, especially if it's done in a cognitive-behavorial way (which can be psuedo-self-tourture if may), I contend it can perpetuate cynicism and further self-destructive aggression. (like the recent Elliott Rogers tragedy)

        [–]1iluminatiNYC 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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        I see where you're coming from. Now that I see your background, I over-read your statements on family dynamics, and I apologize for that. Personally, I'm a tools-for-the-job kind of man, but I also took enough time to read the theory behind the various views of BPD. Good stuff.

        [–]where2cop123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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        No worries. I do come off with a stream-of-conciousness, much like analytic writing and perhaps it's exacerbated when I read Kernberg. There's a lot of mis and under-information in the BPD community. But if you take the time to really explore the analytic literature being much of it revolves around personality disorders, especially borderline pathology, it will shape better social-constructionist perspectives. After all, borderline pathology is essentially unable to synthesize the dynamism of "bad" and "good" "forces", which much of it is similar to the dynamism of TRP/Feminism.

        If you want to know my opinion about the dynamism of TRP/Feminism, see my response chain here. And for the unfortunate and inevitable cases of Elliot Rogers here.

        The issue with Venusian Arts and TRP is that again it's an psuedo-informed open-review anonymous community (which still relies on academia and whatnot published papers to support and tout its agenda/notions at the end of the day..). We also don't know if folks should seek out other mental health interventions first or perhaps both with the TRP framework; or in the case of Elliot Rodgers, there were no adequate clinical interventions and unfortunately took TRP seduction stuff to self-destructive extremities.

        [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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        After reading this I feel obligated to share this link here:

        http://illimitablemen.com/2014/02/17/lucifers-daughter/

        It basically sums up everything you're saying in excruciating detail. Don't forget the gaslighting, that's a huge flag, in fact it's the only flag you need to GET THE FUCK OUT.

        [–]SgtBrutalisk 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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        Yup, recognized all the details in my brother's girlfriend. She told me that I am "too sensitive" when I asked why she is being such a bitch, also told me to stop "playing a victim". She is a fucking parasite and plans to drain me of my newfound wealth via my brother. I was living with my brother in his apartment, I am moving out in 2 days. Not a day too soon.

        My brother thinks I hate women because I told him feminism destroyed motherhood and femininity, not to mention what he would say if I tried to explain him what I really think.

        I wish him a merry blue pill life and marriage with the 3/10 landwhale GF he is jealously guarding.

        [–]veege2007 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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        Thanks for posting this. I was dating this girl who was taking anxiety pills supposedly because her father died like 2 years ago, I know this was a fucking major red flag but I actually was having a really good time with her and I know she was onto me. One day we went to the pharmacy together, I got some gum and she got the "anxiety pills". I saw the name of the pills she was taking, it was fucking Zyprexa (olanzapine), so me being curious I searched on WebMD and I found out it is to treat BiPolar Disorder and schizophrenia. No shit she was having major mood swings and was sleepy all the time. And the worst thing is that the withdrawal symptoms kind of makes you want to die or some shit like that. I had to cut contact by behaving needy and over texting/calling, which worked out pretty well. I do not want this crazy woman looking for me or blaming me for some shit she will do to herself because what we were having didn't work out.

        [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        You just touched on a VERY good point I forgot to mention in the OP:

        THE EXIT STRATEGY

        For guys who realize they're dating or married to crazy, how do you extradite yourself from the situation without all hell breaking loose? I've found going full beta is the safest method of all for getting out unscathed. At worst you'll have to swallow your pride and go without sex for a while when her pussy clamps shut, but in the long run you'll be much better off.

        Why this is better is because going "full beta" makes her initiate the resolution phase as described in the videos above and it's much less severe than should your be the one rejecting her. The consequences of letting her do the rejection is much milder than the reverse. This doesn't mean you be the beta provider or give her validation though. What I'm talking about is all of the negative beta traits such as being clingy, needy, and so on. (there are good beta traits that balance out good alpha traits -- read the Married Man Sex Life Primer for more info). Anyway, it's THOSE negative beta traits you really want to go over the top with to initiate an low conflict break from a crazy chick.

        [–]throw8way0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        bsutansalt, this is throw8way0. Enjoy the orangered. It makes a nice change to the red.

        [–]Mr_Andry 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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        Man, that's a serious limit on the dating pool.

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        This comment thread should be mandatory reading in middle school during health and sex ed classes.

        "Okay class, I'm going to speak to the boys for a second. Girls, please stand up. Boys, look to your left. Now, look to your right. There's a good chance that one of these girls will turn into a crazy bitch."

        [–]patrickthered 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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        So be single or homosexual then?

        [–]nnnslogan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        Can we try to vote this up to the very top of the front page of Reddit? and keep it there?

        [–]RedPill_S 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        Can confirm. I also have some additional evidence for the jury, the "Bettie Page Reveals All" documentary: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1776086/

        Every guy she was with said she was very good at sex, but damn she was bat-shit crazy. Can't really blame her too much though, she had a really shitty childhood. It's the girls that emulate her that I would worry about though.

        [–]watersign 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        friend is marrying a girl w/ Border Line PD...lol..

        [–]socio_j 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        In this day and age, who doesnt have mental issues? What if the male has BPD? Do women also avoid men with mental disorders?

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        Smart women will. Women with untreated BPD are emotionally volatile and resort to violence. Men with untreated BPD are emotionally volatile, resort to violence, and are bigger than women.

        [–]1iluminatiNYC 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        This is oh so true. As an ex of someone with BPD, I wholeheartedly agree. Also, as a PSA to any so involved, visit www.bpdfamily.com if you need some support specific to those issues. Trust me, those people have helped me a lot, and can help you too.

        [–]docmongre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        Gentlemen please listen to this. After meeting what I thought was the girl of my dreams, I ignored the warning signs. I ignored my friends and family as they voiced their opinion. I should have listened. Now, 14 years later I have spent over 100k fighting in court just to be able to see my daughter. It has ruined me financially and emotionally to the point where I no longer sleep, have severe anxiety and panic attacks.

        I just wish I would have listened before she slept (or tried to sleep) with half my friends, lied repeatedly to both friends and cops and told them I was beating her, and now rakes me for as much child support as she can lie to get.

        [–]i_meant_lulz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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        Don't date women with aspergers either.

        I had dated one for 2/half years and I broke up with her. She was a big baby and couldn't maintain her house in a well established order, was extremely sensitive to what anyone talked about her, had terrible hygiene, didn't know how to be independent, and because each person with aspergers has some sort of obsession, her particular obsession was with comics and animated movies. This obsession was her life. And that's all that she knew. When we broke up, she cried and hated me.

        After breaking up, she told her mother and family that I raped her for 2 years. She said: Everything we did sexually was because I forced her into doing it and she never agreed to it. So then I had cops call my house informing me that there is an active investigation taking place against me because of some accusations from her. Of course, there was no proof. But she put a restraining order against me, even though I never wanted to see her again. And now I'm in court fighting it with my lawyer.

        Never had an issue like this with any of my former non-autistic girlfriends.

        [–]mhoke63 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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        I married into this. I did it because at the time I was so lonely. I just wanted someone to be with. No doubt there is someone reading this thinking as I did and completely ignored signs just because they wanted someone. Trust me, do not ignore sounds just because you want a girlfriend. Things were actually good until we got married, then the super crazy stuff came. When we dated, it was red flags. The very next day after we got married is when it all went downhill. We spent our honeymoon in the hotel room doing nothing because she couldn't stop crying. I just thought post wedding depression was normal.

        Then I started getting blamed for things not my fault. But, in her mind, they are my fault because she things it's my job as a husband to stop every bad thing that happens to her. I'm not kidding, I get blamed for everything bad happening to her because she thinks it's the husband's job to stop that.

        When it comes to housework, she doesn't do any because, "muh feminism". So, I end up having to do ALL the cooking and cleaning. Needless to say, our place is usually a mess because I'm tired after work and I usually come home to see her snacking on something and she immediately demands that I make something.

        I won't get into the biggest details of her yelling at me, demanding a divorce, throwing her rings at me, and then 15 minutes later being told she'll kill herself if I leave.

        I don't even react to it anymore. When she calls me a bad husband for not doing anything when she threatens suicide, I change the subject because if I told her that I know she's manipulating me about it, that would start another fight.

        tl; dr

        I didn't mention most of it, but for you single guys out there:

        NO MATTER HOW LONELY YOU ARE DO NOT PURSUE ANY RELATIONSHIP WITH RED FLAGS WITH MENTAL ILLNESS.

        [–]cmxhtwn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Damn. I feel so bad for you bro... :(

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          [–]DrXaos 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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          That's a disability, like a man without a leg, not a personality disorder. Handicapped people can be very personable and ethical.

          [–]BlueChilli 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Well, not all mental issues are equal.

          My relationship just ended with a rapid cycling manic depressive bi-polar and there is nothing in the world more emotionally exhausting and painful.

          She does everything she can to help minimize it--meds, exercise, medication, routine. However, she still had some pretty awful episodes during our 9 month relationship.

          [–]MajorStyles 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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          I think learning disabilities in women are great. I also like a gimpy leg or missing fingers.

          [–]Danizzy1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          Everyone has problems bro. Of course disabilities like that aren't desirable, but they're a lot better than most forms of mental illness which are so common nowadays.

          [–]PrimaxAUS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Also: drug addicts. Ruined my early life.

          [–]Bakkie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Long before The Red Pill it was well known that you don't tap crazy. The converse for the women is usually called abuse. Same thing.

          [–]DexiAntoniu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          What about girls who play or condition themselves to be crazy so they can get passes and dissolve responsability? The ones that love to be victims? The ones that pop pills for anything and act like irresponsible children...

          I know there are crazies out there, legit ones, but I think most girls need to know that shit aint gonna cut it with you, "get your act together or gtfo, don't start crying because I won't believe it". You'd be surprised, adopting this attitude a couple of times got me rid of the crazy in women. They're like children...

          [–]1kick6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          You know what's a really good indication of mental illness? Anti-depression and anti-anxiety pills. I've seen statistics that state that 25% of women will be medicated on one of these in their life. That's 25% of women that just became undateable. Which sucks, but the alternative sucks worse.

          [–]aazav 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          PLEASE take the OP's recommendation seriously.

          My dad could always handle the tough things. He was the older brother after all.

          He married a woman who had been through things and was pretty damned bi-polar.

          Shock therapy was needed.

          My life in middle class America was rough growing up with her and her SUPER HAPPY one moment and oddly neurotic the next.

          For your kids' sake, and for your own fucking sake, DON'T FUCKING DO IT.

          To boot, I probably inherited a lower level depression from her, which sucks ass when it hits.

          Her issues made my dad's life harder and made my life rough. Yeah, she did once try to kill me twice in one day. But day to day, you'd never know what her mood would be and home life was never happy, knowing that she wasn't really normal. One more reason to NEVER EVER marry a woman with mental issues.

          And one more thing, NEVER EVER marry a woman who has done a shitload of cocaine. I've had my crash test dummies in my life and I've seen what coke does to people's brains. Long term use turns people into the spoiled little fat 13 year old who will blow up at any disagreement while they feel completely self entitled to their insane rage.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorDoxasticPoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          ex has BPD.... worst experience of my life.

          Law #3: NEVER stick your dick in crazy

          [–]BRENDORVEGAS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Please add: alcohol and substance abuse issues as well

          [–]roflzaur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          My mom is NPD. Please don't marry NPD women, they dont care about anyone but themselves. That means they do not care about their children.

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            [–]frak_me_harder 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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            Women aren't the target of this sub. That being said, dating anyone with legit mental issues is a bad, bad idea.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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            Trust me if they don't say it, all their friends will.

            [–]theredpillager 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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            While there are bi-polar guys (a male bi-polar neighbor shot himself after a manic episode where he spent two grand on dumb shit; manic-depression, get it?), it has a much larger and more severe effect on women. You know, because dudes can handle shit better.

            Here's a source: http://www.dbsalliance.org/site/PageServer?pagename=education_statistics_bipolar_disorder

            Women and Bipolar Disorder

            Although bipolar disorder is equally common in women and men, research indicates that approximately three times as many women as men experience rapid cycling. (Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, 58, 1995 [Suppl.15])

            Other research findings indicate that women with bipolar disorder may have more depressive episodes and more mixed episodes than do men with the illness. (Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, 58, 1995 [Suppl.15])

            [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 3 points4 points  (8 children)

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            I honestly don't know if the symptoms are the same in guys. Perhaps this is a question you should ask /r/redpillwomen?

            [–]throw8way0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            bsutansalt, this is throw8way0. Enjoy the orangered. It makes a nice change to the red.

            [–]roparker2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            Actually yeah ... sorry. It's pretty much standard advice across the human race to "avoid crazy people". Sorry :(

            The only way this will ever change is if there is a greater understanding of mental illness in society, to reduce the stigma. Unfortunately threads like this will do absolutely nothing for that particular cause.

            [–]Kalepsis 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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            Here's a secret you should also know:

            All women have mental issues.

            [–]HeadingRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            That is a powerful statement - should be placed into Canon.

            [–]Long_dan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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            Although I generally just drop over here for a laugh I have to back this one up. I would also advise women not to marry guys with "a history of violence" or other mental issues.

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              [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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              My ex was misdiagnosed as bi-polar and for years we went round and round trying different meds with me waiting and hoping they'd finally straighten her out. It wasn't until we were separated she finally got diagnosed with BPD and then it all made sense why they couldn't fix or even put a dent in her kind of crazy.

              [–]throw8way0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              bsutansalt, this is throw8way0. Enjoy the orangered. It makes a nice change to the red.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              That guy couldn't spell anything right if his life depended on it, for fucks sake.

              [–]MajorStyles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              I married a bitch like that and then got out, worrying for my personal safety. I ignored the Ted flags and paid dearly.

              [–]Verlier 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Too late for me, I had my dick in crazy so many times, I received death threats and what not.

              Those are not happy memories, I can't even use them to bate... But on the other hand I'm a little bit crazy myself, so whatever, I guess I had it coming.

              Also I came buckets, so YEAH!.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              what a horrible meme video, I hope it's not yours

              I went in expecting arguments or discussion material and every two seconds it's a classic dumb youtuber edit with LOUD NOISES

              [–]HalfPastTuna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              My first gf in high school was bi polar and turned schizo. Nope never again. Oh wait I've done it multiple times

              [–]willyfresh916 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              The timing of this is really uncanny. I have been in a relationship for 3 years, in the last year we moved in together and she lost her mind. She's definitely sick. She's still very sweet. She's not violent or evil... just not fun to be around anymore. I am torn internally because the decision that seems best for me is really difficult to make. I have been considering writing an asktrp post. On the other hand, I kinda know what the answer is.

              [–]Keninishna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              I think around 20% of all women actually qualify as having borderline personality disorder. If she has tried to kill herself before that rate goes up to ~60% likely of having a personality disorder and if she admits she was abused as a kid it goes up even higher. I think over half the population qualifies for some mental disorder so most girls are crazy. Not all all of them are unmanagable though.

              [–]cmxhtwn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Which ethnicities are more prone towards this behavior? I'm assuming white american+black ("african")american women? I've noticed that MANY of them are single in todays age

              [–]throw8way0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              bsutansalt, this is throw8way0. Enjoy the orangered. It makes a nice change to the red.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              granted we are not just namecalled 'crazy'. we all have our quirks. there's some girls who can live with it fine and harmless. and tell yourselves how impossible it is to get right your standards.

              [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (11 children)

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              Don't most (if not all) of them biologically have mental issues?

              [–]Thurmut 7 points8 points  (1 child)

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              I think we all have a bit of crazy, it's when doctors and pills are needed to keep you in control that you should avoid that person.

              [–]100 Modbsutansalt[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

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              The numbers I've seen show a greater number of women than men are diagnosed with mental issues, but I don't know if most women are. There's a big difference there. Perhaps someone else can run this down for us and see what the actual breakdowns are by the numbers for the genders as a whole?

              [–]2 Mredpillschool 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Or women are more likely to seek a pill treatment rather than tough-it out. Or maybe a fair number of psychological disorders are akin to the type of crazy celebrities tend to get- when nobody tells them no, they become narcissistic and the world doesn't operate for them the way it operates for you.

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              I can't give my source since it'll reveal too much, but for teens in a first world country, for every mental illness except for suicides (which was classified as a mental illness in this source) females are literally twice as likely compared to makes (or even more)

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              In some cases I think they just boast about it as an excuse to be Shitty, but don't actually have mental issues. I also think some mental disorders are over diagnosed.