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[–]lloopy 196 points197 points  (72 children)

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As a 7th grade teacher, I can confirm that the grading policies that I was supposed to put in place STRONGLY favored girls over boys.

There was one particular question that stood out to me quite strongly. The students had graphed the amounts of money that two fictional people had, and then were asked the question, "At any time, did the two people have the same amount of money? Justify your answer using the graph." The grading rubric that I was supposed to use required me to give 1 point if they capitalized the sentence, and a second point if they wrote complete sentences. One girl wrote four sentences that talked about the problem, but got nowhere near to an answer of any kind. I was supposed to give her at least 2/5 for her answer.

Another boy in class was perpetually disorganized because of all the useless crap he was supposed to keep track of constantly. But he had a clear mind. His answer was "yes. the lines cross."

This answer was perfect. It was correct, and his reasoning was clear and concise. I was supposed to take off a point because he didn't capitalize the correct words. I gave him a 5/5 (and he ended up earning the course award for my class) and gave the girl 0/5. I was fired at the end of the year.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 77 points78 points  (29 children)

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An interesting thing to about the education system is that it selects against logical masculine men such as yourself in favor of women and beta conformists. Im sure your children enjoyed what you had to offer however men like you dont last long in a feminized space.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (21 children)

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The education system isn't designed to churn out well trained adults who are prepared for life. It's literally a glorified government babysitting-and-indoctrination service.

It has nothing to do with gender politics.

[–]JewSupremacist 34 points35 points  (4 children)

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Your first two sentences are spot on. The last is way off base.

No, gender politics aren't everything about government indoctrination. But they're a very large part of it and you're insane if you think otherwise.

[–]RPModulator 12 points13 points  (2 children)

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It has nothing to do with gender politics.

You are completely naive if you actually believe this. Consider the example of recess. At many schools, it is now gone. At others, it has been reduced to hopscotch, reading, and Tug of Peace. Either way, boys have now lost their ability to dump energy, and interact in a natural way with each other. So, they proceed to release energy in the classroom, where "zero tolerance" policies mean that just about everything, including fashioning a toy gun out of a piece of bread, is an expellable offense.

If you were right, and bad education policy had nothing to do with gender politics, then about half of the bad rules would hurt boys more, and about half of the bad rules would hurt girls more. However, this doesn't appear to be the case . . .

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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It's not that I don't think feminism has an overarching influence, it's that there are solutions to this problem that exist easily outside of the realm of gender politics.

[–]johngalt1234 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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Feminism is now normal. See how many people practice and believe in gender equality. The fact that feminist lobbyist dont need to do much speaks to the memetic success of feminism. Now everyone holds and practices feminists beliefs even if they dont believe in feminism.

[–]theredpillager 12 points13 points  (12 children)

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You haven't been lurking much, I gather. Everything political/government related has to do with gender politics. The whole of government/politics is overrun with feminist ideology. Feminism is and has been the core ideological starting point of western thought since the 60s (perhaps longer). Politicians no longer fix problems, they just talk about how they ought to be fixed. This is no surprise since women are who politicians have to appeal to. And the indoctrination you refer to is to feminized life. That's what they are indoctrinated to.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (10 children)

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everything political/government related has to do with gender politics

"To a hammer, every problem is a nail."

Feminism is a problem, but isn't EVERY problem. Get a grip.

[–]colovick 5 points6 points  (6 children)

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http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/01/no_self-respecting_woman_would.html

Section 3 and possibly section 2 cover the thought behind what you're arguing doesn't exist. You're right that not everything is a gender issue, but feminism does polarize many things trying to make them one when reasonable people say the issue has nothing to do with it. But regardless, read the article, the entire thing is pretty good if you have the time.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

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It's not that I don't think there's an overarching feminist influence, it's that I think that math is math and english is english and it's that specific schoolboard's fault, not women's in general.

[–]Lok_Die 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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Delivery of content is a problem.

Boys need someone who doesn't care about the trivial shit when being taught math. Worrying about exactly how each word is spelled while trying to perform equations will simply frustrate instead of helping him grasp the material better.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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Boys need someone who doesn't care about the trivial shit

I think that everyone deserves mentors who don't care about trivial shit.

Math in math class, English in English class. It's a schoolboard issue.

[–]Lok_Die 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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I believe it is a fundamental way in which teachers are taught to teach, starting in their college years.

[–]colovick 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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Feminism =\= women. It's a support structure for women but it's not all encompassing of them. The states get pressure to use methods that strongly favor females, which is passed down to the district, which is then sent to the county, then the school board, then the principal, then the teachers. It's reinforced ask the way through and no one close enough to the problem can do anything if they can even see the problem to begin with. There's a reason why so many teachers took an early retirement over the past couple of years... It's a bad system being pushed across the country, but that's what they have to teach if they want their jobs.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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Do we need education reform? Yes. Is it primarily a gender issue? No.

[–]theredpillager 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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Feminism is a problem, but isn't EVERY problem.

I didn't say it was. Don't put strawman words in my mouth. Feminism affects every issue. That doesn't make it the core problem to every issue. But since it has been adopted throughout the western world, it does play a part in all things political. You said it has nothing to do with gender politics, a blanket false statement. I said that it has something to do with gender politics, not that it has everything to do with gender politics, which is what you try (and fail) to attribute to me. Good attempt.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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There's no call to be rude.

As much as I'd love to debate semantics, the truth is that the school board has more control over what happens in its district than feminist lobbyists do. This problem has a solution that doesn't involve gender politics.

You're technically correct, and that's the best kind of correct.

[–]johngalt1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Feminism is one ideology that is part of the whole of progressive leftist thought. That seeks to abolish hierarchy dismissing hierarchy and authority as inherently oppressive to seek to return all men to the garden of equalist eden where all live in harmony. They deny the fallen nature of man by believing they are blank slate innocents corrupted by modern society.

[–]colovick 10 points11 points  (6 children)

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My ex was a middle school math teacher and graduated top of her class from college. She tried describing why people didn't like the new grading system they implemented last year was bad, and she never came close to explaining a single syllable of concrete thought as to what was wrong with it.

I can say after watching her grade, it's insulting to human intelligence what counts as doing your work. With homework or tests, they can correct the problems and turn it back in for half credit, they get graded on taking good notes (and only the kind of notes they tell you to. Non-cornell note taking results in a 0) and very little of their grades actually come from what they've learned and can replicate.

Combine that with the fact the only students she had issues with were male, and it's pretty damning of the system overall. I eventually just had to bite my tongue in any discussion about her work because I have nothing good to say about the education system in the US.

[–]real-boethius 6 points7 points  (5 children)

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very little of their grades actually come from what they've learned and can replicate.

This is why girls get higher grades even though boys often do better in, like, actual examinations that test their knowledge.

[–]colovick 10 points11 points  (4 children)

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Shit even 5-10 years ago when I was going through highschool I was a straight B student because I refused to do hours of useless homework assignments when I could show up for class, gloss over the info for the day, sleep through class, and get perfect scores on the tests. It was entirely a waste of time. I took almost all core math and science classes and graduated under 50% with a 3.21, yet the girl who took the easiest classes she could and didn't believe dinosaurs were real got a 3.81...

[–]machimus 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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That used to piss me off a lot too, but remember that part of school, maybe MOST of school, is learning a good work ethic.

[–]colovick 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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Yeah... I learned work ethic from doing landscaping after school and during the summers since I was 12... School was a waste of time until college.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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That's not a sex issue, stop making excuses.

[–]t21spectre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Nice, I rarely did homework and sometimes even passed off projects or just half assed them. I graduated with a 2.2 at the 75th percentile. I always knocked out tests and exams which got me a passing grade. I have an IQ in the third deviation. Our education system strongly caters to the student in the average intelligence range, women far more than men, are grouped in the average intelligence range. Male intelligence is spread more into the higher and lower IQs than women.

[–]massrabbler 8 points9 points  (9 children)

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This is why subjects should be graded according to what they are - english shouldn't cross into math. They are separated for a reason.

I am in a math-heavy degree now, and am definitely one of the more literate students. One of my best friends can't write worth a shit, but that's the way it goes in this kind of program, and that's fine. He's really smart, he just doesn't do written language well. To penalize him for making a spelling error on a test would be ridiculous when often the only words on our tests are the ones in the question.

[–]lloopy 8 points9 points  (3 children)

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My thought was always, "If you want me to grade them on English skills, then you'd better start drilling math facts in English class."

[–]colovick 7 points8 points  (2 children)

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What did they cite as your reason for being fired?

[–]lloopy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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There was no reason given. In general, no reasons are given because a reason can be argued against in a court of law. If several reasons are given, then if any of them are successfully fought, then there is grounds for a wrongful termination lawsuit.

[–]colovick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Fair enough... The field I work in, they have to give reason but jobs are so plentiful that no one bothers with law suits

[–]APrivatephilosophy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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I have five male cousins, they're brothers. All five of them were told they had ADD and were dyslexic in school. We were close with them so I remember all th crap and extra homework they got saddled with for this. My aunt and uncle, both old school, rp, refused to medicate them, set good examples, raised them well, and all five are successful engineers who went to college on athletic scholarships with straight As. One moved on to teach in a private school.

[–]rebuildingMyself 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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Interestingly enough, towards the end of my academic career, they started shoehorning essays and whatnot into every science-based course (grading on spelling, grammar, etc). I thought my B in my English requirements were enough and I could focus on the real skills I'll need later?

[–]JewSupremacist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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I'm not going to 100% condone that but the ability to write clearly and concisely is important in every field. Haven't you ever read a scientific paper?

[–]rebuildingMyself 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Then we should beef up the English core requirements. I say sacrifice the women's studies requirements and make everyone take more technical writing courses.

[–]1iluminatiNYC 31 points32 points  (4 children)

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Hey, I understand. My teachers constantly tried to ding me for not having a perfectly neat notebook with the crossing-out neatly dealt with, and I was a top student. They loved to play gotcha.

[–]a_nus 29 points30 points  (2 children)

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In fourth grade, my teacher screamed at me and wrote a note to be taken home to my parents because I forgot a red pen to underline my note titles with. Punished and made me feel like shit as a little boy for something completely irrelevant to actual class material and academics.

Guess who were the best at using different colored pens to underline, criss-cross, and doodle-fuck their notebooks?Girls and the two dudes that ended up coming out of the closet in highschool.

[–]back2ballin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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i really never even thought about that. those fucking notebook checks were just a big bonus to the girls in the class. i always failed those bullshits but guess who had the highest test average.

[–]JustThrewUp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Ffs i hate the underline shit. I remember everytime a teacher asked me to underline something it was completely useless.

Even texts with fucking 2 paragraphs had to have at least one ("what we think is important")(=SPOILER ALERT everything was important) underlined word.

[–]1FloranHunter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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On the other hand, I fucked up little things as a child but teachers loved me so I got away with it. A lot of smart boys are restless because they're poorly suited to feminized education. Honestly I wish I were less well-suited to such bullshit but such is life.

[–]the_other_riddick 9 points10 points  (2 children)

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I encountered this in my high school geometry class. First off, my teacher was a spiteful bitch and hated my guts, which was already bad enough. A lot of the times I would get the answer I would use a different (read: better) method. But she would not count it as right unless I did it HER way. Back then I was just like 'whatever', but now, years later I see that that kind of teaching is completely opposite the philosophy of mathematicians. It really is all about conforming your impressionable brain.

[–]ch4os1337 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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Back in my highschool days the teachers had a record I was a student that wouldn't take shit.

I always noticed I got lower grades even though I answered everything properly (english), anyways one day I started swapping homework with my friend (who the teachers all liked) and they got ~80% for my work and I only got ~60% again... Couldn't believe that bullshit and it killed my motivation to even try, *ended up getting my diploma in a continuing education school system where instantly they treated me fairly because they had no record.

[–]JewSupremacist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I'm not exactly a mathematician but I think most of them would agree that there are better ways and worse ways to approach a given problem.

Without a specific example I can't say whether your teacher was right or wrong in not giving you credit for doing the problem your own way, but I don't think that it's necessarily a bad thing to refuse to give a student credit for using an unorthodox method to arrive at the correct solution. It really depends on the situation.

[–]Dick-Tracy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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If you haven't spent any time on this site yet, please do read through, it's excellent.

http://educationrealist.wordpress.com/

[–]woofikins69 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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Gender issues aside, isn't this grading process itself frightening in and of itself? It's as if our schools are teaching our children to focus on the mundane, trivial nuances of academia (most by which can be learned through sheer exposure to) instead of the bigger pictures and thus more progressive thought. Men or women, this example of academic examination is eerily leaning towards the promotion of sheepish thinkers. That isn't good for anyone.

That being said…one could take the argument further, citing that women are usually (no direct source, just personal experience) more accustomed to using a finer comb than men in academic exams. This could imply that the powers overruling the education system may have the same goals as those who wish for a more sheepish society (I wonder…), and in subscribing to this cause, have the foresight to attempt to bring both women to the top of the educational ivory towers (using aforementioned testing methods of monotonous, trivial matters), and downplaying the eager, big picture thinking and contributions that men (may) more naturally bring to the table, which has gotten us pretty far up to this point!

[–]JewSupremacist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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What do you consider to be mundane and trivial nuances? Because I'm not sure there's ever really been a time in public education where teachers weren't sticklers for things that many students would have considered to be trivial. For better or for worse it IS a very important skill to be able to write proper Standard English, especially if you're going to be entering a field where you'll have to write a lot. But in this day and age even a garbageman or laborer will have their lives made much easier if they are proficient in Standard English writing. I highly doubt that you've never found it frustrating to read the writing of someone without a strong grasp of standard writing. No paragraphs, run-on sentences, lack of capitalization, poor punctuation, bad spelling... all of these things can make for a very confusing or even incomprehensible read.

[–]t21spectre 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Word/language problems in mathematics is a tactic used to "level" the playing field. Women are better at these than men, men do worse, women do better. Real mathematics rarely deals with "Train A left Chicago at..." real math mostly has obvious quantifiable numbers and solutions, not nonsensical wordplay as if mixed with a language class. In real mathematics their are no "word problems."

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 4 points5 points  (4 children)

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You're going to hate this video then.

Kids are being taught that they're doing it wrong unless they act like little girls. And we wonder why there are so many pathetically weak adult men.

[–]JewSupremacist 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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I don't think I would describe advocating solutions to social problems in the world as a trait of "little girls". I'm not saying I love this book or would want my child's teacher to use it in the classroom, but to say that it's teaching boys to act like "little girls" is highly intellectually dishonest.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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Teaching boys to use "emotional language" is precisely the same as teaching boys to adopt a feminine frame when dealing with issues. It is not the way boys intrinsically deal with problems, and it harms them greatly when they realize that no one respects that frame in an adult male.

[–]JewSupremacist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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I agree that it's teaching boys to adopt a feminine frame but a feminine frame is not the same as "thinking like a little girl" unless you think that most women are intellectually on par with children.

[–]Darkone06 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah but none of it call for any action. They didn't tell boys to fight for what they believe. To use logic to solve their problems.

Thru just tech them to whine and bitch at the problem.

They want them to be emotional creatures not logical not strong nor independent.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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So you over scored the boy and under scored the girl? Hm now I wonder why you were fired, it's not like you had biased grading based on your sexism or anything.

[–]lloopy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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No. I scored each student according to the math they did.

[–]sophic 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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Few things wrong with this....In school we are taught to not just answer correctly but to also articulate our thought process - it helps develop it for future more complex problems. If part of the assignment is to do this,and use correct grammar, then points should be awarded whether or not the correct conclusion was drawn...its not just about the right answer. Grading young kids is about taking what was done correctly and sayig "yes continue this," and what was done incorrectly "but you need to work on this" and putting it together.

Your bias clearly shows "oh this boy is just disorganized because of all the crap he has to keep track of." Everyonr else has to keep track of this crap too, both genders included. You shouldnt make excuses for a particular kid if youre not willing to grant the rest the same assumption.

I assume your unemployment from said job is not because of your gallant masculinity....

[–]lloopy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Maybe you should retake 7th grade math.

The boy's answer was correct. The girl's answer was not. He got points. She didn't.

There were lots of other girls in the class who got full points. There were lots of other boys in the class who got no points.

[–][deleted] 174 points175 points  (52 children)

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The best "why we are here, what we are about" post that has come out of this place in my opinion was the welcome message pk_athiest posted when the sub reached 100 subscribers. Since I can't link it due to this overzealous deletion bot, I'm just gonna paste the damn thing:

Greetings, everybody. Welcome to the red pill. We've got almost a hundred subscribers, in exactly two weeks! This is incredible.

Why have we grown so quickly?

Because there's truth in the red pill. Because men are realizing that the sexual marketplace has shifted away from what we've been taught. Men who grew up over thirty years ago are discovering the world has changed. Men who are still growing up- from the 80s, 90s, and even the last decade, they're starting to realize that what their parents taught them, what television and chick flicks taught them, what church and sunday school taught them... it's all wrong.

Our culture has become a feminist culture. A president cannot be elected today without succumbing to the feminist narrative and paying them tribute. How many times has Obama given credit for his manhood to his wife? How many times has the debate hinged on women's pay gap - which is a myth that gets lip service because if you don't you're a misogynist!

I'm not here to parade the concepts of Men's Rights- nor am I here to discuss self-improvement tips that /r/seduction now purports are to make you a better man, not get laid more often.

I am here to say, for better or for worse, the frame around public discourse is a feminist frame, and we've lost our identity because of it.

But this isn't the end of the world. The world is changing, but men are still part of it. We just need to make sure we're changing with it.

It's too easy to blame feminism for our troubles.

Men, our happiness is our responsibility. Culture has always shifted, it's dynamic and fluid. It has never and will never stay still.

Feminism was inevitable. Equal rights are something I strongly am in support of. For men and women.

Women have the right to pursue happiness. Nobody should tell them otherwise. Maximizing happiness is the goal of every living creature on this planet.

Men, we need to recognize that since women are rightfully seeking out happiness, evolutionary psychology is more relevant today than ever in the past century. (and possibly longer). We no longer run the show. And I, for one, don't disagree that marriage had to change if we were to see equal rights.

But now it's time to get serious and realize that our strategy needs to change. Feminism is a sexual strategy. It puts women into the best position they can find, to select mates, to determine when they want to switch mates, to locate the best dna possible, and to garner the most resources they can individually achieve.

The Red Pill is men's sexual strategy. Reality is happening, and we need to make sure that we adjust our strategy accordingly.

Welcome to the red pill. It's a difficult pill to swallow, understanding that everything you were taught, everything you were lead to believe is a lie. But once you learn it, internalize it, and start living your new life, it gets better.

As an introduction to the topic, I want to outline what our focus is here at /r/theredpill.

Mastering Game

Game is an important portion of a sexual strategy. A lot of you probably came here from /r/seduction and are probably wondering why we'd need a new subreddit if one dedicated to game already exists. The reason is simple: Game is a facet of The Red Pill's sexual strategy. Determining good game is impossible to do so without first understanding the context given by The Red Pill's framework. Something I keep seeing over on the seduction subreddit is a problem taking over most relationship and sex forums: the desire to feminize the discussion (basically making it sound politically correct if read by a female).

Yes, game got a bad reputation from girls who demonize manipulation. This is because game is an effective strategy against their own sexual strategy. I believe women's opposition to game can be attributed to the unconscious factors in women's sexual strategy (Please do read Schedules of Mating

When women started becoming vocal about their opposition to game, that's when men decided it would be necessary to make game more politically correct. "Oh, we're not here to manipulate women to have sex with us- we're here to become better men!"

And thus, the female imperative took over game. When men think they must define their own sexual strategy in a way that best delivers results to the female sexual strategy, you know your own strategy will suffer! In a game of chess, do I politely not take out the oppositions' queen in hopes not to offend or win the game?

Defining the Strategy

Because of the necessity to have good game, we must define what good game is. A large portion of Red Pill discussion revolves around evolutionary psychology. Understanding the facets of this psychology are key to developing a good sexual strategy. Because this strategy is useful not only in gaining the attention of the opposite sex, but continuing relationships, having children, and maximizing your own happiness throughout life, I'm going to argue that defining the strategy outside of just "good game" is an important facet of Red Pill Discussion.

Acknowledging Reality

Finally, I think our focus should always remain on ensuring that we challenge the reality we perceive and discuss precisely and objectively whether or not our beliefs line up with the testable results we can replicate. I am a firm believer that potential success can only be maximized by maximizing your knowledge of the factors surrounding your success. Keeping your eyes closed and ignoring evidence and facts will not benefit you. Opening your eyes and acknowledging everything no matter how good, bad, or painful it may seem, is instrumental in making decisions that will lead to the happiest, most successful outcomes.

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[–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 84 points85 points  (47 children)

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Wow the tone really has changed around here.

[–]1AreYouAware_ 96 points97 points  (8 children)

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The best resources here remain the sidebar, field reports, and examples of the consequences of men's strategies red and blue alike.

There's a lot of understandable anger and frustration here and it's grown with the sub's reputation, as it attracts more and more men with more and more ressentiment against women and feminism, but it ultimately gets in the way of understanding and useful action.

That level of anger and emotionalism, if anything, will be the sub's downfall. A man who isn't in control of his emotions can't hope to control his life, and a man who can't control his life is repulsive to women and men alike.

[–]soulracer 41 points42 points  (3 children)

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I totally agree with the comments above me. I used to come here more often to get reminders about things and interesting insights. It was practical and useful.

I've found lately it's mostly bitching about women and society. If this continues it's just going to be a useless mirror image of a feminist site. Yes people come here due to frustrations and bitterness and it just seems to be a place to validate that attitude from others feeling the same.

There are way too many people not past the stage of acceptance and not ready to actually change. I would even suggest classifying posts by purpose and development stage so I can avoid reading bitchfests and enjoy positive behavior insights, of men, not whiny boys.

Yes, I liked the sexual strategy topics, not sociology

[–]Overkillengine 11 points12 points  (2 children)

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Unfortunately the anger stage is easy for people to get stuck in. We could be more proactive about impressing on people that while the anger reaction to realizing the lies they've been fed is natural, it is still not constructive to wallow in it like a Tumblr feminist.

[–]soulracer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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Yes that's true. Anger can either make you turn to blame or constructive change.

There is just so much negativity and blame. It's not common to see the ideals we're supposed to espouse in discussions, such as responsibility, adaptability, leadership, assertiveness, self-improvement, etc.. I guess it feels better to just blame feminism and whores for everything wrong with your life, and be bitter. In some ways critics of this sub, are right. There are a lot of women hating whiners here. It seems like many people here would be willing to start an advocacy group, and go picketing like a bunch of bitches.

A clever and enlightened man can use and adapt to everything negative in the world to their advantage, and that's what needs to be brought up more often by those that get it. Like others, I really don't care about fighting a political battle. I'm doing just fine and can handle myself. What I want to do is continue to get better as an individual by sharing positive insights about living better.

I'd like to see more HOW and less WHAT. Guess it's bound to get watered down with the participation growing and more people coming with bitterness.

[–]2 Mredpillschool 13 points14 points  (0 children)

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Anger has always been a component, don't let anybody fool you.

[–]TogiBear 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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There's a lot of understandable anger and frustration here and it's grown with the sub's reputation, as it attracts more and more men with more and more ressentiment against women and feminism, but it ultimately gets in the way of understanding and useful action.

The squeaky wheel receives the most attention. People are only noticing the wheel when they should be paying attention to the car.

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    [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (33 children)

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    I think the difference now is that we are less about sexual strategy, and more about men's advocacy. In the beginning it seemed more like we wanted to discuss game without bowing to the feminist politically correct frame. I really liked those three headlines in pk's post. Mastering Game, Defining the Strategy, Acknowledging Reality.

    At the time I couldn't help but read it in morpheus' voice, it was a hell of a thing wasn't it?

    [–]RU_Crazy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    I think its just become a lot broader than just sexual strategy (in the PUA sense) and more about understanding the condition of modern western society as a whole.

    Now that its reached this point the onus is on the community to keep the discussion about inward self-improvement (productive) and not about outward complaining (destructive).

    While it is important to recognize the downtrend of society (i.e. taking the red pill) more importantly, and what I've come to appreciate about this sub, its about creating an action plan once you've recognized society for what it is (i.e. actually living a red pill life).

    [–]Endorsed Contributorn0c0ntr0l 29 points30 points  (30 children)

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    Male advocacy is a waste of time. Whining like the rest of the MRA's wont do anything. We are here to instead game the new system.

    [–]RU_Crazy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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    It's not that advocacy is inherently bad - its just the way some people chose to advocate is bad.

    The proper way to advocate is to turn yourself into a positive role model for other men (and boys) to look up to and learn from. This society is sorely lacking in positive male role models.

    Complaining on an internet forum gets us no where. Self-improvement and setting an example for others to improve does.

    [–]meneer_samsa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    Exactly. It's what I like about the core of trp theory: it's pragmatic. We observe, we analyse, we learn, we improve and finally we share our hard learned lessons here. This is the main difference between us and feminism, mra and all other kinds of these groups. They try to change the world from a victim perspective; we change ourselves by taking responsibility and henceforth define a happier masculine life. Let's not fall in to victim thinking. We are men, we take responsibility.

    [–]circlhat 13 points14 points  (27 children)

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    I Don't really consider fighting for your rights as whining as there is a lot more to life than sticking your dick in a vagina.

    its that attitude that put men in this position in the first place

    [–]blameitonmoi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    This is why I'm glad to see that TRP has evolved somewhat. It sounds like it used to be all about getting laid. I agree with you that it's what put men in the position we're now in the first place. Men were, and still are, willing to do anything to get laid. These men think that if they play by the "rules" they will get what they want. The problem is that this led to total emasculation, loss of identity, and the victimization of boys and men. On top of it all, most of these men still don't get what they so desperately want. Of course, even then, they're told that they're not trying hard enough. The game was being played on these men. TRP came along and said, hey, you can continue to play the game, but be in charge, play by your own rules, and have more success.

    The way I see TRP now is that it teaches men, first of all, to be the best man he can be. Your destiny is in your own hands. Don't let anyone or anything define you. Getting laid is not the only thing that matters. This might sound cliche, but it helps men to break the cycle of being abused, degraded and discarded. Don't spend too much effort chasing tail. Spend that effort on yourself and making yourself happy, the tail will come. And even if it does, or doesn't, it doesn't define you as a man. I think the current version of TRP is much more powerful and useful.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorn0c0ntr0l 11 points12 points  (23 children)

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    I wasn't just talking about getting laid.

    I meant everything. Game the career ladder. Game your social endeavors.

    I'm just selfish. I don't care about trying to fix it.

    [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 22 points23 points  (21 children)

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    I don't mind trying to fix it. I mind the way the MRA's are trying to fix it. They are taking an inherently submissive position and just whining about everything that women get. Whining is always a submissive position because you are attempting to get greater people to fix the problem for you. Women whine and nag their husband for the exact same reason. Feminists whine and nag for the same reason. But when a man does it, it isn't well received because we aren't supposed to be whining submissive creatures and because mra's are they are dismissed.

    The problem though is that I can't see a solution to their fight because they have to admit submissiveness in order to make any head way because the government is their alpha. They end up looking bad and make almost no headway except to get insulted. I honestly see the best way through this is to be more like you and fight for yourself instead of everyone else.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorDemonspawn 14 points15 points  (19 children)

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    I don't mind trying to fix it. I mind the way the MRA's are trying to fix it. They are taking an inherently submissive position and just whining about everything that women get.

    The only solutions to Feminism (on a social scale) are: Revolt, Expat, or Turtle.

    Anything else is going to butt heads against women's 55% voting majority and both genders propensity to favor women's concerns and see men as individually disposable.

    TL;DR: There is no political solution to men's rights.

    [–]RU_Crazy 6 points7 points  (18 children)

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    The fallacy in men's rights is the assumption that we don't already have all the tools we need to get everything we want. If we kowtow to the politically correct dogma we tie the noose around our own head. They see the problem but rather than taking an introspective approach they lobby internet complaints - fucking useless bullshit.

    The solution is very simple - realize the situation for what it is and build a plan of self-actualization accordingly. To me that is the essence of this subreddit.

    [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 8 points9 points  (17 children)

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    Agreed. We have the tools and capability, what most men don't have is awareness about the risks inherent in playing the game by feminist rules.

    Our biggest weapons are not knocking bitches up, not marrying, and thus not giving away the fruit of our labor to someone that doesn't deserve it. Do what you want to do, live your life the best you can, continuous improvement, and never allow someone to hold power over your destiny without adequate compensation.

    No marriage, no kids, no oneitis, and an awareness of what fucking up in any of these areas will cost. Getting young guys to realize it is the hard part. Even most old fucks whom have been divorce raped can't see the error in thatnthinking., the bullshit is ingrained so deeply that women are Disney princesses, except for the few those guys chose poorly.

    [–]RU_Crazy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    Exactly. The "fix" starts with yourself. Work and don't stop until you've built yourself into the person you want to be, in every way you imagine.

    [–]TomHicks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    I'm just selfish. I don't care about trying to fix it.

    Don't care. But don't diss the people fighting for their (and, if you're a man, your) rights. They have enough enemies as it is.

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    Society does not care about you. Therefore you owe nothing to it.

    [–]circlhat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    Except taxes, obedience to laws , subservient to authority and the list go on

    [–]Dreamtrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    Maybe it's time to lean back to the sexual strategy side again.

    [–]Turkerthelurker 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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    Definitely. For example, I have noticed an increase of meme responses, gifs, etc. just in the past month or so. While some are pretty damn funny, it is essentially the same as a short reply that the bot aims to filter out.

    It's odd isn't it? On one hand it's great that more guys are swallowing the pill, on the other it inevitably leads to straying from core TRP principles.

    If we focus on posts reiterating the basics, experienced members lose interest. If we don't, you have too many of the newer guys missing out on important core aspects.

    The mods do an excellent job trying to curb the influence of the new guys, but it's a complicated issue.

    [–]2 Mredpillschool 16 points17 points  (0 children)

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    Report memes and gifs. I'm fairly confident we've kept it at a low.

    [–]QQ_L2P 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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    Recently had the biggest batch of new members to date. Got to get though the stages of TRP acceptance before we can talk sexual strategy.

    [–]hohamocha 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    A lot of NAWALT behavior. Also a lot of antagonizing of Dark Triad behavior. New people come in here in the gazzilions after Santa Barbara and mix their ideals with core red pill ideals and mess things up. They comment/ make posts and the wrong ideas get upvoted, while the right true RP ideas get downvoted, as more newbies flock. And foremost it seems like people are adding morality into TRP, which really irks me.

    [–]schizoBrother 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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    From Zubaty's What Men Know That Women Don't:

    "Pursuit of happiness is primarily a female goal. Pursuit of the mysteries of life is primarily a male goal."

    [–]johngalt1234 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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    His comment is good except for the equal rights thing. What it practically does though is give women more power than men. Because in addition to their political power women also possess superior social power.

    http://no-maam.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/bull-herding-in-mrm.html

    In supposedly equal relationships like in case of mutual submission the woman ends up wearing the pants in the relationship.

    Since male authority in a relationship is beneficial to both attraction and stability by satisfying women's hypergamic urge. Wouldn't it be better that men are socially higher status than women by default? Wouldn't that make men more attractive on the whole to women?

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      I have to be honest, I don't know what it was like for most people growing up but for me, it was a shit storm. Usual fare and I'm now at 24 and never touched a female. That's by the by.

      What 1 year of TRP has taught me in terms of maintaining my frame, watching what people do and not what they say and giving context to the dating scene has given me clarity where all I had before was ditch water.

      Boys should have developed these skills naturally or through guidance of their parents or peers. Some people just don't have that luxury and are basically thrown hog tied in a burlap sack into a swimming pool and told to swim. Every one of our detractors will come out and say "but that's not what happens in a healthy relationship" or "It's dehumanizing and women shouldn't be treated that way".

      Are they fucking kidding me? Where were the streams of white knights when a guy is kicked while he is down? Where are they when he's being divorce raped? They're nowhere to be seen except every now and then creep out of the shadows to offer meek platitudes of "I feel ashamed that this happened to you". Oh you feel ashamed do you? Well ain't that grand. But that does nothing for the current situation where you're in a sack sinking to the bottom of a pool. You need a life line. Something that can help you pull yourself to the surface so you can get on with life in a way you can feel proud of.

      People here get it. We are the disposable gender, it's not something that bothers us. We know what our role is in the current dating scene and we embrace it. We lift, we cut, we hone our game, our frame and get what we aim for. Because nobody gives a damn about you. Society conditions you be be the androgynous worker bee that spits out money and is expected to be happy with that. Don't buy that shit and for fucks sake don't sell yourself short. Or you'll be up shit creek without a paddle before you can say "Oh honey, did you see where I left the pre-nup?".

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 53 points54 points  (14 children)

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      Our society doesnt care about boys and it certainly doesnt care about men. What about the boys who are perscribed mind altering drugs because their feminized society doesnt acknowledge that male behavior is normal. What about the college freshmen that gets stigmatized at orientation during the "all men could be rapists' speach. What about the divorced dad? What about the more highly qualified guy who didnt get the job because of the quota?

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        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 35 points36 points  (9 children)

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        Unless its a sexy Brazzers sex therapist who has a hands on theraptic style, GayLubeOil would not recomend any kind of treatment to a healthy 18 year old.

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          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 11 points12 points  (7 children)

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          Reddit is a testing ground for the ideas I want to include in my book.

          [–]the_real_chronos 2 points3 points  (4 children)

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          Do you have a website or something where I can follow you?

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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          I only have a twitter for now but I might expand into youtube in the future.

          [–]cascadecombo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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          Going to show your face to the world now?

          [–]Heuristics 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          A picture of a bottle of lube would be enough.

          [–]The_Americano 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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          I am willing to provide some of my hard earned dollars to fund your book.

          [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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          What about the college freshmen that gets stigmatized at orientation during the "all men could be rapists' speach.

          Or be randomly selected as "Rapist of the Month" - You know, for the purpose of learning

          We all know feminism is a giant shit test run by greedy, selfish man-hating cunts.

          It's not even a grand revelation any more. It's even progressed beyond being cartoonish. It's just sad and pathetic now.

          Looking at the aftermath of 3rd wave insanity I feel like Charlton Heston lamenting the destruction of society.

          [–]QQ_L2P 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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          Unless a guy is covered by the veil of nepotism, every guy will face one or more of the problems/accusations listed.

          Nothing that can be done other than make sure your own aren't falling blindly into the societal traps. Knowledge = power and that's what Feminism wants to control, the flow of knowledge and the perception of social stimuli. Hell, I'd go as far as to say that Feminism is one of the most pervasive and comprehensive examples of gaslighting in recent history.

          [–]insickness 46 points47 points  (2 children)

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          I'm an uncle. My nephew is getting to the age where I can engage in more rough and tumble play with him. I spin him in the air and throw him on the bed while he keeps coming back and fake attacking me. The play is more antagonistic than when he was younger and a bit rougher. I love playing with him like this. I also feel it's my duty to introduce him to more antagonistic physical play because I suspect he doesn't get that much.

          Of course, when I do it, I make sure all the doors are open and everything is in plain site. It's a sad reality that as a man I must constantly be aware of the possibility of molestation charges. You never know what adults can prompt kids to say or twist words or situations. As a male I am taking a huge risk by playing physical games with a kid.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

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          Rough housing is very benificial for kids because it helps them develop coordination. Its a natural part of the childhood of most mammals. I guess thats a nonfeminist approved biotruth.

          [–]deaduponaviral 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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          What's even sadder is that male elementary teachers are more often than not dissuaded from teaching because of the risks/benefits. Somehow it's implied male teachers have ulterior motives to hanging around a bunch of elementary students instead of actually having a passion to teach, which is laughably bullshit. Best elementary teacher I ever had was male in the 5th grade, and I'll always remember him as the best (the only 1/6 from k-5). This was back in the mid 90's and I ALWAYS had behavioral problems due to "high energy". Thank god I was brought up in a somewhat normal household and designer drugs like ritalin were only just becoming popular. God I sometimes wish my parents had sent me to military school.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 37 points38 points  (0 children)

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          There is a disconcerting level of indifference to the plight of young boys being raised into broken men. It's the primary focus of true egalitarians like Christina Hoff Summers. Men are required to be strong to have any worth. If a man displays weakness he is worthy of scorn and revulsion. Men learn to adapt to this phenomenon.

          But young boys? How is a young man to understand what it means when he is told his instinctive feelings are toxic? That he is a proto-rapist, and that his Y-chromosome only encodes sin? That will fuck up an impressionable child, but the complete lack of empathy one hears is deafening.

          TRP is a poor substitute for a strong, masculine role model, but sadly the best resource a lot of men will ever find in their adult lives.

          [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 29 points30 points  (1 child)

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          My cousin is a high school special education teacher.

          He described his workplace demeanor to me as "milquetoast". Both female students and coworkers alike go on the immediate attack if he shows any masculinity whatsoever.

          He's had teachers openly accuse him of having "aggressive tones" in his voice, saying they felt fear.

          This is not a joke. Women wield incredible power in schools. If they don't like you, they can make trouble for you without worry of consequence.

          The female students are worse. They know what kind of trouble they can cause a male teacher. A single accusation can ruin his professional reputation, regardless of validity. Luckily, these girls are young and stupid and he can outsmart them pretty easily, but he has to be on constant guard and walk gingerly on egg shells every day.

          He says it's causing him anxiety and he doesn't know if he's going to be a teacher much longer. Huge personal risk, very limited financial reward. It's a shame too, because he's a really good teacher and is very empathetic to children who come from troubled homes.

          [–]Samantha_Simpson 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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          Both female students and coworkers alike go on the immediate attack if he shows any masculinity whatsoever.

          It's interesting that you brought this up, because it made me remember one of my experiences from elementary school. I was in a summer writing camp for children where the kids could write and illustrate their own stories. Since my story included cowboys and aliens, a couple of my pictures showed the characters shooting at each other. The teacher praised me for being "creative".

          A boy in my class came by and saw what I had drawn, and he instantly declared it was unfair. Apparently he had also tried to draw pictures of people shooting guns, but the teacher told him he wasn't allowed to and had made him erase his drawing, as well as rewriting his story so there would be no violence in it. I was still pretty young then, but I thought it was odd that I was allowed to draw these things as a girl (and was praised for it), while a boy tried to do exactly the same thing but was reprimanded.

          [–]6Invalidity 22 points23 points  (11 children)

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          I agree with you to some extent. The fathers of today aren't suited to fully raise our children. They are great providers and caretakers, but they can't impart practical advice on us. The kind of things taught in TRP are shunned in society and readily rejected by the men most willing to become fathers.

          Women don't want young boys being given this advice because it takes away much of their power. So what is left? A lot of men who will be severely crippled by the system until one day they learn the truth, or fall deeper into the rabbit hole.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 27 points28 points  (10 children)

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          The fathers of today spend most of their waking lives in a politically correct office enviroment. They are systematically conditioned to be betas and are thus unable to lead a marriage or impart masculine virtue. The truths mentioned on TRP will instantly get most men fired, so they respond by banishing those thoughts from their mind.

          [–]6Invalidity 8 points9 points  (9 children)

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          In the office yes, but what about personal life? I see many dominant male figures in their respective work environments, but when it comes to handling interactions with the opposite sex, they fail miserably.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

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          How dominant can you really be under a constant threat of a harassment lawsuit? Go to eastern europe and you will see what dominant means.

          [–]6Invalidity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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          I wasn't referring to interactions with females in the office, but interactions outside of the office.

          [–]Ojisan1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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          Good thing there aren't bookstores anymore. Imagine walking into one, asking the clerk "hey, do you have that GayLubeOil book in stock?"

          Edit: it gets worse when they tell you they do have it, but "it's in the back."

          [–]GraphicSeniorNudity 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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          Close, but lacking I feel.

          I grew up with a father who was very much involved in my life. My mother hates the feminist movement, and for that matter generally dislikes other women as well. She is ultimately submissive to him, although she does put up a fight from time to time, which is to be expected.

          My father is a mans man. Hard working, masculine, dislikes what for lack of a better term we call the feminization of society. If given the choice he would much rather work a blue collar job then toil away in the corporate world.

          I played sports, learned outdoorsman and handyman skills, didn't listen to the idiot teachers I had, played with all manner of "violent" toys... And yet I followed the path of the beta and now turn to the red pill. Why do you suppose that is?

          Certainly a lack of masculine role models isn't the issue. What I attribute my beta ways to are my social experiences in my formative years.

          The pecking order I was subjected to whittled away my confidence. That's the long and short of it. There is no grand conspiracy of best laid plans fallen short. My confidence as a child was torpedoed by the seemingly constant criticism of my peers.

          Now, where I think feminism DOES play a part is in the strategies we give our children to deal with these kinds of things. The Anti-Bullying campaign is the daughter of the anti-rape campaign. Defending yourself is not to be expected, encouraged, or even mentioned, in some cases not even tolerated. Rather than teach strategies to avoid, defend, deter, or deal with it, we tell the bullies to stop bullying. Which is about as effective as telling Vladimir Putin to please leave Ukraine alone. It's fucking stupid.

          Of course, I was by no means a victim of extreme bullying. I did not get my ass kicked everyday or run home crying with thoughts of suicide. I dealt with what I assume to be an average amount of bullying. But here is where feminism has failed society a second time. Everyone is a winner and nobody can ever feel bad about themselves. I cannot tell you the number of sporting and academic competitions I was involved in, in which every participant won a blue ribbon, or a trophy, or an MVP award. Our elementary school was not even allowed to dress up for Halloween because "it might make the poor kids who don't have costumes feel bad." Everyone is awesome was the theme I grew up with, and true greatness got ignored among the mediocrity. But beyond that, kids never developed a healthy reaction to disappointment, underperformance, adversity, criticism, etc, etc.

          I can't blame my mom for praising me, that's what moms do. But they do that because the world does is supposed to do everything in its power to knock you down. By the time 5th grade rolled around I thought I was the greatest person on the planet Earth. When people started telling me I wasn't, I took them seriously. This was a new experience and I did not know how to deal with it. Every little jab hit my soft skin and mortally wounded my ego.

          This is what created a beta. This is what left me so shellshocked and timid that I never went on a date in high school. This is what led me to seek help and eventually end up here at the red pill.

          The only place I have been able to find useful advice is in eastern traditions and anti-feminist groups like seduction, PUA, and mens rights which do not prescribe the ridiculous soft handed approach of socially conscious, non judgmental feminism.

          TL;DR: We need both approaches at different times. Sometimes you need your mother to shower you with unconditional love and praise, and sometimes you need your father to tell you to quit being a fucking pussy and step up to the plate. Neither is appropriate for every situation and balance is the key.

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            [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 16 points17 points  (3 children)

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            ended up cheating on me and dumping me when things weren't going well for me (in my mid-20s)

            You learned Briffault's Law without even realizing it:

            "The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place."

            My last LTR of 4 years ended almost a year ago because (among other things) I was a beta schlub doormat for her, albeit a beta schlub doormat with a nice house, a well paying job in wireless b2b sales for a major carrier, and plenty of disposable income for nice things and getaway weekend vacations. Then the wireless dealer I worked for went under and I lost my job. It took 6 months for my income to ramp back up in a new career field altogether, but during that time when we were "tightening the belt" and the extra cash dried up, almost magically so did her pussy. Sex dropped to near zero, her attitude was short, and she was just generally an insufferable bitch. Not long after, she stays out one Saturday night without calling. She denied cheating vociferously, but by this point I had snapped, lost all trust, and kicked her out.

            Point is, I was a "Beta Bux" without even knowing it. Finding this place was like a fucking elixir, and I've triggered more life changes in the last 10 months than I did the previous 10 years. Welcome.

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              [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 20 points21 points  (0 children)

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              If you really want a shot at her romantically, start ignoring her. Make the living arrangement purely transactional. She pays, she stays. Her rent money is buying a roof over her head. It is not buying your support, "friendship", and the right to use you as an emotional tampon. You are an exciting man with exciting hobbies and activities, and you don't have time to sit on the couch discussing "feelings" over ice cream and Mike's Hard Lemonades.

              Now, if you truly just want a "friendship" at this point, ignore everything above. But what I did personally concerning my female "friends" was to ask myself one question: Is this friendship truly an even exchange? Am I being honest with myself when I tell myself that I really do enjoy listening to her complain about her boyfriends or talk about the latest episode of whatever stupid reality TV show she watches? Boyfriends do these things for their girlfriends, but that's because they're gonna get laid after all the talking is over.

              I came to the conclusion that, outside of sex, there is not one recreational activity out there that I'd rather do with a woman than a man. Exercise, weight lifting, playing sports, drinking beer, discussing politics/world events, barbecuing, you name it. All of these things are more fun with other guys than they are with women. And when I do engage in these activities with women, the objective is always, well....to have it lead to sex.

              [–]SubtleObserver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              Hi dude. Please elaborate on all the life changes you made in the last 10 months. It would be nice to know what you have done.

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

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              My point is that you were maladapted for a long time because you grew up without masculine guidance. You had to learn some things later in life and you defiantly ended up paying the price for it. I feel that your story is very common but not frequently discussed. Welcome to TRP

              [–]priusowner666 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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              Having to pay the price for it is putting it mildly, but you are right.

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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              Very few places legitimately care about male suffering. TRP is one of them.

              [–]lalicat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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              They are pushing this into the home making it hard even for men who are not under threat of divorce. In my house my wife and I have very traditional gender roles and are extremely happy with it. I remember for our wedding the mother of my wife's BFF gave her a book called 'being a wife after God's own heart' and that's pretty much when I knew I had made the right call. This was her circle of influence and it was women who knew their natural biological role and embraced it and were happier for it. It was my first validation that I'd found that mythical unicorn.

              We've been happily married for 5 years now and have never had a problem even with two cross country moves and two kids and a year overseas on deployment.

              Raising my children I've noticed that society is becoming more and more nosey about what goes on in the home. We discipline our children the old fashioned way ... I've only spanked my oldest one time but my wife is the disciplinarian ... She runs a tight shift for the kids and if they step out of line or show disrespect they are quickly corrected. I'm the one who sneaks them cookies and gives hugs after my wife chides them while explaining why they were wrong. I don't need to discipline them because one look at my wife and she knows it's time to be my enforcer. I expect a clean and orderly household and well behaved children and she knows that. With them entering school children are being interrogated about their home life ... I own a few guns and I'm teaching my kids to respect them, embrace them as useful tools and not be afraid of them. In school and at the doctors office they ask my children 'does daddy own any guns?' And my daughter has been singled out for special attention because she's too 'violent' for fighting back when other kids are aggressive towards her. I always tell her not to take abuse from anyone and I encourage her to become physically violent if someone physically threatens or harms her yet they want to teach her to be the victim and tell an adult. I tell her to neutralize the threat then get an adult ... These are traditional father roles in my opinion. Father's exist to build confidence and self esteem whereas women are there to coddle and more apt to rely on some kind of benevolent authority to come to their rescue. There's been endless interrogations into her home life and about me and I've had other (single mothers who couldn't keep a man around) tell me that I'm a terrible parent and should have my children taken from me and my wife is a terrible woman for allowing me to dictate what happens in my household.

              My fear is that my children are going to be told by the schools that mommy and daddy are wrong and they are bad people for teaching you those things ... It's already starting to happen with the 'so and so's mom said blah, blah, blah' and I'm like so and so's mom is a dumb ass who couldn't keep a man around because she's neurotic and is doomed to raise a little sissy drain on society ... An active father is the single most important thing in a child's life to enhance their prospects at being successful adults. Some obviously overcome that disadvantage just like some people with father's still fail but having an active masculine influence while growing up is like playing life on easy mode ...

              [–]1AlienSunrise 19 points20 points  (3 children)

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              It honestly is infuriating that kids are getting suspend from school for finger guns and horseplay. I'm only 22, and even back in my day boys were encouraged to play cops and robbers/ cowboys and indians/ army man, or play with their GI Joe. Pretty soon it's gonna be illegal to have a testosterone level, then they're gonna start castration on every new born.

              [–]morphite65 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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              It sounds like a dystopian scifi novel until you realize that is the exact trajectory in our society (speaking as an American). "Reducing aggression" blamed on anything from terrorists to drug lords could result in a basically slave-state male populace.

              [–]jgj09 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              Had a kid in my class draw some of the ancient swords we had discussed a few days before and he was threatened with suspension...

              [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 20 points21 points  (2 children)

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              comprised of the bottom third of their college graduating class. The people, who are least capable of critical thinking, are in charge of teaching our kids critical thinking skills

              "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."

              Basically speaking, TRP can be boiled down to this: A woman can raise a boy, but a woman cannot raise a man, because she is not a man herself.

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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              When you are raised to be a boy you can either be a boy your whole life or try to play catch up in your adulthood.

              [–]1iluminatiNYC 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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              EXACTLY. It's a lesson I learned from watching my father be himself day in and day out.

              [–]Blennerhassett 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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              When I was thirteen or so, average Kiwi kid growing up in New Zealand we played a game at lunch called "Bullrush". 2 sides in parallel lines separated by 1 kid. At a given signal, both sides rushed to get to the other side, the single kid in the middle tackled whoever he/she could. Once tackled, that kid would join the tackler in the middle for the next round. Exponential growth of tacklers ensued. Damn good fun and great practice for the national religion ( Rugby).

              As you can imagine around about 1989-1992 the game was banned throughout NZ because of feels. The usual excuses were given; it encouraged violent tendency in young lads, and the Gynocentric teaching community thought they knew better. Young lads enjoying a bit of rough and tumble? Medicate or Ban.

              Low and behold, a male principal in the impoverished and neglected North decided to bring it back. The results are predictable. Increased attention span in class, less attention seeking behaviour and overall improved academic results for Boys in general.

              Clearly Young Lads need a physical outlet. This is not a deficiency, it is not abnormal and the female dominated teaching profession needs to understand that Boys learn differently from girls and being cooped up in a non kinetic classroom only benefits the ladies.

              The lesson here is that to curb natural, physical male tendencies is to deny boys of the education they deserve.

              Article

              EDIT: /u/GayLubeOil good luck with the book, look forward to reading it.

              [–]hohamocha 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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              Without having to be concerned with the consequences of offending strong independent womyn.

              I'm in college right now (I'm 21) and I have to take this Humanities Art Cultural Diversity class. The teacher in the class is a hardcore feminist, and I am the only guy in the class (there's a total of 6 students, it's a summer class). So we were at the Arts in Feminism unit, and the girls start discussing about how its "stupid" that women are expected to clean and cook and raise kids. Soon they ask for my opinion, and I say that I believe that women are better at raising children then men and that they are better at cooking and cleaning. I also say that men are meant to be successful and to go out and earn money and power, and that there is nothing wrong with that. I also said in my argument that if I had a wife, I would never force her to work, she could be a stay at home housewife. The funny thing was, these girls, including the hardcore feminist teacher, didn't argue with that. They weren't even offended. In fact their body language told me that they agreed. The teacher even went on to say that she truly thought that women had lost something because they had to go to work AND take care of their children. She said she really wished she didn't have to work. She told me that she would rather stay at home an raise kids than go to work. But since she's a feminist, that wouldn't look good on her image. Hamstering.

              My point is if you speak out your beliefs on masculinity and femininity, and you defend them in person/ off the web and show you are proud of your beliefs, women won't necessarily get offended. In fact, they might think you are a strong masculine man for standing up to your beliefs, even though they are politically incorrect. They will then comply to your beliefs, but only if you do it in person and you are confident about them and have the idgaf but these are my beliefs attitude.

              [–]otivito 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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              Follow gay lube oil on twitter for advice about women?

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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              Follow GayLubeOil to see if im the most jacked Red Pill endorsed contributor or if @illimitableman or @redpillschool got me beat.

              [–]hohamocha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              most jacked Red Pill endorsed contributor

              100 bucks says GLO looks and sounds exactly like the Russian guy villain in Iron Man 2.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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              School is daycare for the labor force. You're kidding yourself if you think it has any purpose other than teaching children to read, write, and do basic math so that they can grow up to replace the force of till-operating wage slaves.

              Critical thinking skills my ass...

              [–]DanG3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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              "daycare for the labor force." You are 100% correct. In most metro areas, God forbid that school might have to be cancelled for a day. The parents call administration complaining that they have no daycare for their kids. During summer months schools are pressured to run summer programs for the same reason - daycare.

              But, it IS because of the contempory composition of the labor force that schools are being looked to to do more and more of what that labor force (parents) used to do when both WERE NOT working ... AND when there used to be TWO parents of a child. See my post below related to teachers and schools.

              [–]Thurmut 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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              To understand The Red Pill, you first need to understand what it’s like to be a boy in America the civilized world

              It's the same everywhere

              [–]theozoph 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              The Anglo-Saxon world is ahead of the curve, but it's coming fast to mainland Europe. Germany and Scandinavian countries are probably ahead of Southern Europe, but it'll come here too, don't you doubt it.

              France's current government is hard at work cramming feminism and gender theory down teachers' and children's throats right now. Parents are giving the fuckers a fight, but the writing is on the wall...

              [–]Dabkitty 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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              I'm a woman, I hate feminism, I hope to have two boys and a proper man. Reading this has kind of scared me I refuse for my boys to be beta feminized in any way! God this makes me angry just thinking about it.

              [–]RicoValentin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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              Maybe we should create a RedPill for boys?

              Awesome men like, Mr. Rogers, Bill Nye, Levar Burton, etc. should be heroes that we have our boys watch and follow. Teach them what it truly means to be a man through stories and real life lessons.

              Not all boys have the opportunity to have strong males in their life like those who have a coach, male teacher, etc. who cares for their well being and future.

              There is a huge emptiness currently for boys to learn how to be real men. Maybe it's time to fill that gap up.

              [–]Hexthorne 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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              Growing up in an environment intentionally devoid of masculinity is not good for boys.

              In the same vein it isn't good for women to grow up in such situations either. Their role models become the women who took advantage of the system, the ones that rode the carousel and found a nice BB to settle down with while still getting their AF in wherever possible.

              [–]Mightyskunk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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              I'm glad you made this post. I'd love to see you repost it when we have any influx of visitors, usually from one of those "which sub do you hate" threads.

              [–]wurding 2 points3 points  (8 children)

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              i enjoy your opinions, but your writing needs...fewer commas.

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 6 points7 points  (7 children)

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              Russian speakers generally use long sentences. If you've read some classic russian literature then you've seen some page long sentences. This is definitely a problem with my writing and im working on it.

              [–]wurding 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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              it wasn't so much the length of the sentences i was referring to but the misuse of commas. You have good humour and ideas though so good luck with the book.

              [–]Kellermann 0 points1 point  (4 children)

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              How is your moniker working for you in Russia?

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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              GayLubeOil has nothing to do with homosexuality

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                [–]hohamocha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                GayLubeOil is a term for steroids dawg

                [–]Kellermann 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Putin's thugs don't approve

                [–]jctwc1080 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I also have a problem with long sentences in my writing. You should check out the Hemmingway app (Google it). It highlights hard-to-read sentences, passive voice, and adverbs. It has helped me a lot.

                [–]ADDvanced 2 points3 points  (9 children)

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                Teachers bottom third graduating class what are you rambling on about? Got any sources for that?

                [–]DanG3 0 points1 point  (8 children)

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                I'd like some sources and more "critical thinking" analysis on this as well, such as ... Are teaches really "less intelligent," or is it some other factor in the GPA calculations for ranking that makes them (us) appear less intelligent. Personally, my GPA ranking couldn't have been any higher. Beyond any of this, teachers REALLY don't need this shit at this time! !!

                [–]real-boethius 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                Here is a story from Australia on the issue. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/push-for-higher-teaching-standards-20130302-2fd33.html

                Note the scores referred to are percentiles of the age cohort as a whole, not just those who stayed to year 12. So a score of 50 would mean you are average for the age group as a whole including those who dropped out of school. Such a person would be on the low end of college students.

                As a comparison, to get into medicine or law you would need a score over 99. As you can see here, you can get into teaching with as little as 69.

                [–]DanG3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                The OP's reference was to "bottom third of their college graduating class" - "college" - not high school class ranking.

                I could go on about definitions of "intelligence" in general and issues with standard tests, but to the point, the problems in schools is NOT the "intelligence" or efficacy of the teachers. The problem is that teachers, and the schools themselves, are being expected to do - blamed for not doing - whatever it is that is that someone thinks is lacking. Schools are being looked to as the bandaid for whatever it is that the "village" USED to do to raise children. Here, the OP seems to be saying that the school systems, and the supposed deficiency of intelligence of its teachers, is a reason for societies lack of Red Pill awareness. Neither the problem nor solution is in the schools, no matter how intelligent the teachers. There is NO MORE TIME, and if there were, "political correctness" and liberals would not allow it. The "village" needs to stop looking to the school to do its job!

                The OP is saying/hoping that his writings, and possibly forthcoming book, will be an answer? Maybe it will serve as an atom in the universe as what is needed. It would be fantastic for him and the "village" if that happens. But, he shouldn't be justifying the need for his work with what the schools and teachers are not doing. It was HIS job as a member of the village to spread Red Pill knowledge all the long.

                [–]ADDvanced 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                Exactly. Lots of hit on trp is pure drivel written by some half brain who's pissed off he isn't getting laid and that life isn't fair.

                [–]iamtheonewhotokes 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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                Another addition to the confusion of modern males I believe is the lack of a rite of passage. Outside of some religions or fringe societies and maybe the military (though that's probably even pussified these days, wouldn't know) there is really no gateway to manhood. This is something I realized while learning about the red pill as a young male. To my government I am man. To my community I am man. I did everything I was educated to believe was right and what a good man would do. But I never felt it, always sensed that I lacked something, and I finally realized that I was never truly shown how to become a man. There are few role models and there is no community of men to aspire to. In ancient times a boy would be shown how to hunt, taught resilience and self-sufficiency, then he would go on a trek to prove himself and return to a proud band of men as a peer. In our times the proud band of men we can become a part of are on their knees, slowly keeled over by their women. And now the women are pulling out their rigid, encouraged clits and undoing our belts. Gently they have spread our cheeks and started rubbing lube on our assholes, explaining it is right and convincing us to go along with it-- that it's the manly thing to do. And we have accepted it, worn over by time, taking solace in the possibility of a reach-around.

                [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                Definitely a poetic description of hyena fucking.

                [–]klrjhthertjr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                I wrote and read a paper covering all of this for my high school English final. It came across very well and some of the girls even agreed with me and felt that it was unfair to boys. This was way before I discovered TRP as well. I can submit it if you guys are interested.

                [–]Strongproudwoman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                I search for your new posts like a fly searches for shit (compliment). Always insightful and written with a clear calm tone.

                I (and I'm sure most of the community) am happy to hear you want to get a book going. These books are going to play I vital role in making men in the years to come. I feel like men don't stand a chance at changing schools, laws ect.

                [–]john-b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                Important role models growing up lead to better men. It's no wonder the legendary figure of the 1800's British Gentleman was just that. When you take a look at the education then (classical education) they learned the basics of writing, sciences but a majority of the time it was reading the ancient classics while studying past & ancient heroes. It developed a person to be highly independent, masculine, respectful & willing to go out & be the best he could be.

                [–]Nubenebbiosa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                This got me thinking:
                Italian women are very sexual, but they are not as revealing as American women, who dress exposing much much more.
                It's because they feel more comfortable dressing like that, knowing that unless drunk hardly any guy will do anything else except stare at her.

                [–]swallowpls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                make book. make YouTube videos.

                [–]johngalt1234 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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                Since we are being of limited perception and we may always be wrong about anything. The red pill is best described as a commitment to percieving things as accurately and objectively and possible willing to go through as much pain and suffering to arrive at the truth. Not matter how ugly or strange, beautiful or evil the truth is we must go the mile to seek it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7mGaPXunVw

                When we can perceive accurately we may use our limited but growing and ever improving realities to make the world a better place ,to build a better tomorrow keeping in mind the mechanisms of reality

                [–]1 Endorsed Contributorjsl2837 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                I don't have an opinion on this video yet but thanks for the link. Good analysis.

                [–]Snivellious 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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                I agree with about 98% of this, but I want to ask about the "bottom third" stat for teachers. I've heard this on several occasions, but I've never found a decent source for it. I'd love one if you have it?

                Regardless, it's good to see a solid general explanation for newcomers, thanks.

                [–]KillerJigglypuff 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                This is super delayed, but I know of the study you are talking about when saying "American teachers come from the bottom third of their graduating college class." This is actually an estimated statistic based on facts. The bottom 20% of high school graduates are more likely to go off to college to major in education- especially elementary ed, and then in the good college education programs, they are more likely to end up in the bottom third. Obviously, these "likely" statistics are not absolutes, but that's why this is a STUDY, not a science. This statistic of teachers tending to be at the bottom of their classes is not super concrete, but it still comes from reliable information. This data tends to be the opposite for many foreign countries where teachers come from the top of their class.

                Hope this helps, and if you would like to look at the study yourself, you can find an online copy of the report at http://www.mckinseyonsociety.com/downloads/reports/Education/Worlds_School_Systems_Final.pdf

                [–]Snivellious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Thanks! I have no idea how you found your way back to this post, but I'm glad to see a source on this at last. When I went looking I found some "debunkings", but they all boiled down to "I can't find a source for this".

                This actually explains what produced this claim, and what to make of the result. I appreciate it a ton.

                [–]Thizzlebot 4 points5 points  (3 children)

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                the closest things they have to role models are often fictional super heroes. Batman might be the hero that Gotham deserves but our sons need more.

                I never even made that connection until now. Not that there is anything wrong with that, Superman is a better role model than anything religion could put forth. Be masculine, righteous, and help others.

                [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil[S] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

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                I just think its sad that so many children have to look up to fictional characters in the absence of real men.

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                  [–]the_real_chronos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Exactly. There were real role models of masculinity back then and they were habitually encouraged.

                  [–]1kick6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  Here I was reading along thinking "damn this almost doesn't sound like gaylubeoil," and then I get to the last sentence. Ahhh...normality restored.

                  Good stuff anyway.

                  [–]ifajig1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  If you enjoy my writting and ideas follow me on twitter @GayLubeOil the goal is to eventually get a book going

                  The second coming of Rollo!

                  [–]Vigilantica 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Life sucks, and then you die. And a man is a man, and we do what a man has to do. Why do most redpillers assume that no man understand how the wold works outside themselves? Most men see the world as it really is before turning 20, and certainly before turning 25.

                  [–]CornyHoosier 0 points1 point  (2 children)

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                  Teachers are predominantly female and comprised of the bottom third of their college graduating class

                  I agree that teachers are predominantly female, but I'm curious where you got the figure of being "comprised of the bottom third" part.

                  Considering how much time, education, in-class training, state licensing, school district licensing and testing as well as specialized training and continued Masters/PhD education the average public school teacher goes though .... I certainly wouldn't consider most of them morons at teaching children.

                  [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                  It's true, they do go through a lot of training.

                  The low pay, however, filters out high-achievers immediately. Many of the idealistic crusaders are filtered out in the first few years by the hectic schedule. What's left are people waiting it out for their pension.

                  [–]DanG3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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                  Incorrect. The idealistic crusaders are filtered out because of, as noted above, Political Correctness. Passion is uncomfortable to many students and teaching collegues, and as such, politically incorrect. If you show passion for teaching, administration fears that you may step on PC toes. You are shown the door. Yes, those who are left are the (dispassionate) "professionals" who will make it to retirement - pension.

                  [–]rhymeswithtag 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                  so i just read that entire post and still dont understand what this board is can someone give me a short to the point answer and not some drawn out story?

                  [–]dickbroom 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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                  Women set the modern agenda and as such men are afraid to be men. This board encourages men to do what comes naturally and/or learn what their father (or lack thereof) failed to teach.

                  [–]Nemester 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                  I hope you at least lurk in /r/darkenlightenment

                  [–]Vaganusaurus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  More word masturbation than idea.