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[–]surgeon_general 142 points143 points  (5 children)

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The world is full of losers. And one thing that losers consistently like to do is complain about circumstances rather than take an active role in changing them. In this case, we have thousands of loser women complaining about skinny models in magazines.

Women have it so much easier than men that they actually get away with this, at least to some degree. But just imagine if you tried to complain about all of the male underwear models being young and ripped. Most men realize that even if they feel that way, they should keep that opinion to themselves, so as to not be perceived as a loser. A much higher percentage of men are actively trying to make their situation better, rather than simply complaining about it. Source? I'd like to call your attention to this chart.

[–]TasmanianTigerBlues 28 points29 points  (1 child)

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Love the chart. And the comment. After a long time swallowing the blue pill, this is all starting to make sense. Not only that, this mindset is actually what I'm naturally inclined to as a man, I've just been brainwashed into thinking otherwise and hating myself for having these thoughts.

[–]surgeon_general 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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The red pill means different things to different people. And that's how it should be- we are very different people. But there are certain universal truths. At its core, my red pill journey has been about understanding and accepting reality, and lots of self-improvement to put me in a stronger position to conquer that reality.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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Most men realize that even if they feel that way, they should keep that opinion to themselves, so as to not be perceived as a loser.

This is something that I had to figure out after growing up in a house ran by women with no father figures. The normal and learned action was to try and get pity from as many people as possible. It doesn't work if you're a guy, you just end up at the bottom of society and no one will bother with you. You have to be your own strength.

[–]surgeon_general 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Definitely. You won't feel nearly as worthless if you bring real value to the table. If you make yourself into the best alpha bucks man that you can be, I think you'll find that doors start opening.

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    [–]1Patriarchysaurus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    this chart is perfect, it's bitingly ironic whenever it's said that "omg dating is so much harder for wimminz."

    No perspective, none.

    [–]DirtyNamesGetBlocked 77 points78 points  (19 children)

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    Feminists (and women in general) are just lazy. Fight for actually oppressed women in the middle east? Fuck that, too hard. Lose weight? Fuck that, too hard. Get a firearm to protect yourself? Fuck that, too hard. Women want everything handed to them because thats what they expect. Women believe that they have intrinsic value, therefore, beauty standards shouldn't apply to them and everything should be given to them because they deserve it. Men understand we have no intrinsic value. Therefore, for us, beauty is utility. Cars with powerful engines, men who can perform day in and day out and not tire, bodies that don't quit, art that delivers a complex message. That is beauty.

    Women don't have beauty. Their standard of beauty comes men. Their standard of beauty is how attractive they are to a man. Why do you think women find other, beautiful women rivals? Because to them, beauty isn't something to aspire to and admire, its something to tare down.

    Men see the mountain top and want to be there, women declare wherever their standing to be the new mountain top.

    [–]Snivellious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    I'd never quite realized that point about beauty. People (women) ask why I think the Lotus Elise is such a wonderful car when it's so ugly. I can tell them that it's beautiful because it's functional, but I can never truly convey that feeling to someone who doesn't live in a reality where quality and function determine what something is worth.

    [–]Venividivixii 23 points24 points  (2 children)

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    I think you have it backwards. When a society admires the beauty of the male, they recognize that the key to its success relies on the backs of strong men.

    This society, however, worships women.

    There's no denying that men are inherently disposable though. You should never make an illusion to the contrary. However, the men that do succeed, should be admired, just like they were admired and respected as reflected in those statues.

    As always, men that achieve nothing will die without remembrance, just like the billions of women that are only known as being mothers.

    [–]stemgang 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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    Allusion, not illusion. (To make a reference)

    [–]1Watermelon_Salesman 10 points11 points  (5 children)

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    A friend once brought my attention to the fact that it's way more common to see average or even ugly men accompanied by pretty or beautiful women than the opposite. You don't see many beautiful men dating or marrying ugly fat women. I agreed with him, but argued that this is not only due to some skewed up social hypergamy thing, but also explained by the fact that there aren't as many beautiful men as there are women, since it's easier for girls.

    Feminists complain about beauty standards, but being a beautiful or at least pretty woman is way easier to achieve than qualifying as a beautiful man. For a woman it's as simple as "don't eat too much". That's it. Of course the genetic lottery is a factor, but it also applies for men. Unless a girl had really bad luck being born, this will work: just stay thin.

    For a guy, you have to not only win the genetic lottery and not have a hideous face, but you have to eat properly and exercise the hell out of your body in order to achieve what we consider a male beauty standard. You need to actually do a lot, instead of just cutting food.

    [–]Soultrane9 9 points10 points  (1 child)

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    and exercise the hell out of your body in order to achieve what we consider a male beauty standard.

    This is just half truth. You have to excersie your mind also to achieve male beauty standard. With just muscles you are a frat boy, not a man.

    [–]guraski 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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    With muscles and a 4.0, you're a frat star

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      [–]Soultrane9 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      I disagree. The femininsts are the wall hitting sluts who coulnd't figure out value men will choose others to marry if they suck 100 dicks in their party years.

      [–]DavidTIntellectual 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Not all are wall-hitting. There are plenty of young, sometimes attractive, feminists who found out about "slut shaming" on Tumblr and decided to adopt feminism in order to excuse their own recklessness.

      Ew, did I really just say #notallfeminists?

      [–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      Look at the amount of work a woman has to do. "Don't eat like a pig and get fat."

      The sad part is this is too difficult for women these days.

      [–]kindlebluemoon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      Look at the amount of work a man has to do to attain the ideal beauty standard. "Bench, Squat, HIIT..."

      Look at the amount of work a woman has to do. "Don't eat like a pig and get fat."

      This is just not true. "Don't eat like a pig" just gets a girl to alright. Hair, makeup, and gym are all necessary for a girl to reach the ideal. Plus there are a lot more women than men who will just simply never be "hot" without plastic surgery.

      The OP just sounds like the male version of feminist whining. The gym ain't that bad, c'mon son.

      [–]manwhy 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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      You're not wrong, but your presentation, your framing of the situation, is poor. Disposability is not the right word. Are women--caveat: young fertile childbearing women--comparatively less disposable than men? Yes; biology is a bitch. But that doesn't make men disposable, not even the lower 80%. Like it or not, we are all sustained by their sexual strategy--without it, we would have no civilization. What is unfortunate for us all is just how profoundly maladaptive that sexual strategy has become in recent times.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorpuaSenator 21 points22 points  (0 children)

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      I'm going to sort of drift away on this, but bear with me.

      I actually think OP's underlying foundation is pretty accurate, and is a pretty interesting observation: We find beauty in each of the sexes based on their ability to fulfill their role. For instance, male beauty comes from physical traits that highlight their ability to work hard, build, create, fight, defend, take, gather, and grunt. While women beauty is defined by their role, which is feminine, sensual, erotic, youthful, childbearing, and whimsical.

      I mean, while a fit girl is attractive, a buff girl usually isn't, because her huge physical physical relays non-desirable attributes. Men simply don't want a women capable of building, fighting, and creating. And on the flipside, women generally don't like scrawny men who's body reflects the body that is unable to bring in resources and defend from threats.

      Now this is sort of where I am going to go off which is almost completely unrelated, but I've heard a common feminist trope many times before which is, "All men are good for is defending people from the damages of other men." For instance, most male rape victims are victims of other men. Or men who fight and defend their families in war, are just defending themselves from, again, other men. That men are the common denominator in situations in which men are useful (IE, men are only useful for protecting people from problems that other men create. If there were no men to begin with, then there would be no men needed.)

      However, man's problamatic nature certainly has a net positive. Sure, men go to war to stop other men from taking their shit. But at the same time, these characteristics are what creates farms, builds economies, plunders resources for their own people, and drives innovation. And you know what? I do think this roots from male disposability. Because in nature, species go into the directions they are pushed into. And in this case, when men are disposable, they don't inherently have value. So men have to go out and create value for themselves. They can't just exist and create children. No, they must instead become strong and smart to start a business, build a building, plunder resources, and so on...

      Do you really think the world around us would exist if men weren't disposable? That a man could live a perfect life just doing nothing all day? I guarentee you, that if a man could score an 8 and not actually have to create a high amount of value in the world, then he'd just sit around playing video games all day.

      What is unfortunate for us all is just how profoundly maladaptive that sexual strategy has become in recent times.

      Here I have to agree. I think the state of affairs within the gender dynamics is so fucked up right now because there isn't a balance. There is a huge push from the failures of both sexes to enforce equality among everyone, regardless of whether or not they deserve it. It's nothing more than a social version of Social-Marxism.

      I mean, we live in a very free state (assuming USA) where anyone and everyone can do whatever they want within reason. If a woman wants to be a hardworking exec, she can do that. If a man wants to get into nursing, he too has that options. Realistically, the options are uninhibited. However, the confusion sort of gets all murky when no one is letting the dust settle, or the pieces fall in their place. You have women who want to be women, and do feminine things, by taking full pride in them -- only to get attacked by feminists telling them that they are victims if they don't try and act and do like men. And we have men who want to take control and do their own things, but are told that they are bad people if they don't praise women and bend over backwards for them.

      Uggg... Honestly, I think I completely lost track here. It's 4 am, and I"m going to stop now.

      [–]funkwillsmith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Women are supposed to be coddled and loved for everything they are even with flaws.

      Men are expected to either be a real man or a joke. But it's okay for us to be a joke because we are men and men should only adhere to the top body standard or none.

      [–]MiscManletKiller 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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      i doubt francisco lachowski did all that much to become attractive

      [–]My_Post_Is_On_Topic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      yeah and he's probably been rejected a fuckload of times for not being big enough

      [–]Movonnow 0 points1 point  (12 children)

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      Look at the amount of work a woman has to do. "Don't eat like a pig and get fat."

      I don't agree. Look at all the time they spend shopping, looking for the perfect pair of shoes. It's like a porn addict searching for the perfect scene. All the make up they try, all the dresses they buy. It's hard work.

      [–]Michaelangelo12345 7 points8 points  (4 children)

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      You think I give a shit about the price of a woman's shoes? Or her make up? If she only looks good in make up then it's not worth it anyway. Generally speaking a man just wants a good looking woman with a good personality. If they eat right, sleep right, and are higienic, then, generally, it's all ok body-wise. A woman needs away less to be attractive to the opposite sex. And don't compare going shopping with exercicing like a manic, saying they are both hard work.

      [–]Movonnow 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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      I don't think shopping is as hard as working-out. What I mean is, since women have lower tolerance for efforts, it is as hard to strive to find how to best choose their make up, find the clothes that suits her best than it is for us to work out. I mean, for them, all this thing of looking pretty is hard work. But I've tried to get a girl to work out with me once. You know, giving her easy exercises she could perform because she was too fat. She didn't even tried.

      [–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

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      Have you ever gone shopping with a woman? It's their favourite activity. It's not hard at all.

      [–]MagicGainbow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      And why? the receptors in the brain give off feeling of pleasure for women when they acquire resources, a shopping trip to a woman is the equivalent brain boost wise to a guy making something/completing a task.

      And as for clothing, women do that shit for other women.

      [–]Michaelangelo12345 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Well, about the lower tolerance for efforts, I think that's a very debatable topic, so I won't go into that. By the way, I'm glad you mentioned that experience of yours with that girl. I find her attitude not attractive at all. This can be said for both men and women though.

      [–]Yoda7 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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      Women do that stuff for other women, not for Men. They don't have to do all that stuff.

      [–]Xemnas81 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      I dislike this argument because it sounds like a lie, especially when the aim is out-doing other women.

      Presuming you are a heterosexual woman, you desire men, and often 'manly' men (which typically is defined as the ideal male beauty). You dress up, and work out, to look good in public-claiming it's 'for other women, not for Men'. But you are aiming to impress and out-compete other heterosexual women, thus elevating your social status and perceived SMV, based off the fact that you have defined your social status/SMV off your worth as a sexual utility/object of the male gaze. Again, what are you competing for? Men. Or, women to think of you as pretty and sexy (i.e. attractive to men).

      If you really dressed up to feel good regardless of external SMV based off levels of beauty and felinity, why choose a dress, the clothing of Western femininity and beauty for centuries?

      I am yet to see how a woman dressing up in a dress is ultimately to do anything but impress men.

      To reverse gender examples, if I had my way I could go out in a slightly grubby Final Fantasy/gimmicky t-shirt and comfy pair of jeans or jogging bottoms, all the time. But I can't. Why? Because women want me to look good, and society defines men who dress in grubby t-shirts as losers. For some reason (an assumption society has created and perpetuated!) men who dress like that are implying they don't take care of themselves, they are poor, they are lazy and without ambitions, they probably live with their parents, all in all they are undesirable to women.

      There are 3 reasons, therefore, that I suit up:

      1. to feel 'like a man', a rich man, a good-looking man, a successful man (this is a condition of patriarchy and the modern female's definition of attraction TBQFH)

      2. to impress women with my aura of wealth and status

      3. to out-compete male rivals for women's respect, affection and attraction; or, to be accepted as one of the tribe by males

      You cannot engage in activities designed specifically to enhance attributes that are only really applicable to SMV and use the argument 'I don't do it to look pretty'. Make-up has NO function beyond cosmetics and if you wanted you could wear jeans and a suit too. But you don't, because you are trying to impress men, and women (by being attractive to men and 'one of the girls') but claiming it's not for men at all. So I call BS.

      I look toward the utopia where these double standards cease to exist. As it is, I am a pawn of the system, and have to play the game. And so are you.

      [–]Yoda7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I think its about female hierarchical perceived SMV. Most of the stuff women do, men dont really notice or care about. If you have to choose between two equivalent women: one duded all up, or one in jeans and a decent top, who would you choose? I bet most men would choose 2. I would. Other things are more important to a man. It makes more sense in a womens hierarchy to me. And Id imagine women feel like they dont have to do those things to get a man. In the majority of cases if shes got her shit together, she doesnt. Its probably more about building some kind of network through her hierarchical status, to maximize resources, and limit competition. Those seem like the three top goals biologically.

      [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      Shopping is hard? Pushing a cart, touching clothing as you stroll around is 'difficult' for someone? I've heard some bullshit that tries desperately to make life seem unbearably arduous for women, but that shit right there is ludicrous. Its even worse that the often repeated trope that being a mother is the hardest job in the world. You would have to be exceedingly worthless and incapable for shopping to be hard.

      Welcome to the state of female worship, population you.

      [–]kanaduhisfruityeh 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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      Women put far more effort into their looks than men do. Fashion, makeup, even plastic surgery. Men, on the other hand, can get away with not being in shape as long as they have other things to offer. Even men's muscles are basically utilitarian rather than aesthetic.

      [–]feralkatz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      But doesn't that go against evolutionary psychology? Women MUST want men who are good hunters. Good hunter = good provider. The way men demonstrate that ability is by being youthful and muscular.

      I tell you, it all goes back to the savanna where the human race evolved. Don't underestimate how much importance women put on a man's appearance.

      [–]let_terror_reign 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      OP, what happens after in the video? What's the title? Post the link if you know it. Damn that was an interesting four minutes

      [–]GhostInTheRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Yeah it was and I massively respect the guy for trying that ritual out.

      Bear in mind, in the tribal culture he failed the ritual for crying like a little bitch. Those men have to act as though it's another day in the office.

      Still, the point was well made and I'm willing to bet that 99% of us on here would also fail that ritual.

      [–]T-bear96 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      Just want to let you know, the statue of Laocoon was made by Bernini, a renaissance era sculptor. The very fact that you referenced this statue is awesome though. Great piece!

      [–]T-bear96 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Actually, after researching it, I was wrong. I apologize. To everyone else, it turns out that the great Baroque sculptor Bernini modeled his style of sculpture after the Laocoon piece. Bernini is amazing though, if you would like something to do sometime, look up 'the rape of proserpina.' The way Bernini managed sculpt folds of flesh in stone amazes me.

      [–]dallz_beep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Little boys want to be sword-fighting, gunslinging, firefighting astronauts. Girls want to be princesses. See the difference? Men want to actually DO THINGS, while women simply want to exist and be important for free.

      Women are born, but men are made. They get a free twat between their legs, some of them look rather pretty too, but we need to actually accomplish things, whether it’s physical, financial, technological, social, etc.

      Superman, as you showed in your picture, is the one saving the day. Louis, on the other hand, pretty much just exists. Oh, and is young, slim and pretty(ish).

      Active vs. passive. Our gender role, rooted in biology, is to get things done. Not simp for a ho. Never forget this.

      [–]squishles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      That's why when you ask women look down on gym rats. They want those muscles to come from doing those things to provide for them.

      It's the same reason some guys go through a questioning makeup phase; they know it's the same mechanism and it pisses them off.

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        [–]Movonnow 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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        Yes, some can. Yes it's hard, yes it's unfair. But that's how it is. You can complain about it or find some time to do your best to be like those guys. But no excuse : as a man, you don't have any excuse and never will.