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[–][deleted] 338 points339 points  (16 children)

Dude I've jacked it twice since reading your post

[–]da_voodoo 139 points140 points  (4 children)

Hell, i fapped to the post. Pls help

[–]Cross_of_Coronado 51 points52 points  (3 children)

Reading about you guys fapping made me fap. The frictional heat has set the curtain on fire. Can't stop.

[–]garlicextract 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Directions unclear. Currently masturbating.

[–]FagCocoOil 68 points69 points  (6 children)

An aquiantance of mine, who's RP to the core - startup millionaire, married, but has tons of plates - recently told me that after porn got mainstream(because of the Internet), almost all women he sleeps with started taking it in the ass, attempt deepthroating, etc. Porn also affects them, hehehe.

Porn FTW!

[–]beware_the_syllogism 79 points80 points  (0 children)

Him being a millionaire probably makes woman more willing to do those things.

[–]hepatosplenomegaly 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Women are herd animals, they do and believe whatever they think is the consensus among the group

[–]1whatsazipper 13 points14 points  (1 child)

To a lesser extent we all are. That's what a 'matrix' is, after all. A false herd narrative. The difference is some men will figure it out and break off; rare to see women break off and start new groups, but they do follow them.

[–]Adun4184 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's what separates MGTOWs from white knights.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Men must not watch porn, but women see it as competition so they rise to the occasion.

[–]Panzer_Geist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't think being married and spinning plates is RP at all. That's just called being a fucking douche bag. Does a promise mean nothing to anyone else but me in this day and age?

[–]fox92win 5 points6 points  (2 children)

First time I've seen a masturbation circle-jerk.

Congratulations?

[–]kaliforniamike 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd say you've made good life choices so far

[–]CapitalG 130 points131 points  (25 children)

Touchy subject, for lack of a better word. Good post.

[–]MordorsFinest 12 points13 points  (19 children)

can get the same sort of info from the sub /r/nofap

[–]MAY_BE_TOM_BRADY 116 points117 points  (18 children)

Except those guys think not masturbating will allow you to fly.

[–]PohFahVoh 47 points48 points  (10 children)

I feel like people bash NoFap because it makes it easier for them to ignore the movement and feel less guilty about fapping every day.

We don't literally believe it will allow us to fly. But there are other 'superpowers' to be obtained and it gives us extra motivation to abstain.

[–]CyricYourGod 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Masturbation is not a shameful act to feel guilty about. You shouldn't even feel bad about jerking it every day. It sounds like you like shame people who disagree with you because you've replaced one self esteem crutch with another.

[–]I_HaveAHat 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Moderation is everything. No fap and fapping every day are both wrong. Only fap when your dick gets hard for no reason and won't go down until you give it a massage

[–]Donald_Fuck 11 points12 points  (3 children)

While I agree, they are super positive and did contribute to my success in abstinence in the past.

[–]Merica911 4 points5 points  (2 children)

"in the past". Back to fapping?

[–]Donald_Fuck 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Back to struggling with porn/fapping. I use it as a crutch along with alcohol and junk food. My mental health has been worse than ever due to injury keeping me out of the gym for 4 months so far. Losing gains and losing my mind.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What kind of injury? You can still do cardio/calisthenics depending on that, or quit your bitching and cut out the junk food and alcohol.

You have options, just not as many due to your injury. Clear your body of the toxins you've been shoving down it, and you'll have a clearer head when it comes to decision making.

Do what's necessary for you, and not what your ape brain's feelings want.

[–]reigntastic 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm kind of on the fence about it. I'll typically indulge when I'm in the mood, probably a few times a week. That being said, I've noticed that whenever I have adequate female attention from spinning a few plates, I don't even experience the desire, for months sometimes. I tend to last longer, enjoy sex more, and have more self confidence.

I don't really have a strong opinion on the subject one way or another, but anecdotally speaking I tend to feel better about myself. I think I'll try going nofap for a month, since I've heard it can elevate testosterone levels anyways, and I want to build another 20 pounds of muscle.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It doesn't elevate T significantly, you'll get the same gains while fapping.

[–]reigntastic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I agree. Lifting partner is shredded 185/5'8" and faps often.

[–]tyranus89 37 points38 points  (27 children)

I'm not going to advocate nofap or any shit like that because 0 is just as bad as 100.


Even worse is dipping into the spank bank. I used to jack off to my old conquests and it kept me stuck in the past. I was so satisfied with what I had done that I stopped focusing on what I wanted to do.


If anyone needs more convincing, the porn novelty treadmill eventually causes erectile dysfunction in a lot of young guys who can still jerk off but not get hard when they're with a girl - /u/2comment


How you masturbate is also important. Mark Manson put it well in "Models". For the longest time, I thought I had "sensitivity issues" in bed, fucking for hours without cumming or not being able to cum unless I hit a certain spot juuuuuust right for an extended time. I just suffered from Death Grip Syndrome.

Most guys squeeze way too tight because it feels a lot better. Use a looser grip, go slower, and use lots of lotion -- or better yet, a fleshlight. Pussies are soft, slick and gentle; you need to learn to appreciate that and mimic it with your hand. If for the first few times you don't cum, then you're still just getting over your death grip addiction.

The only thing you should be thinking about when you jack off are girls you want to fuck. Like /u/TheeRyanGrey said, DON'T think about your past conquests. Focus on the girl you want to nail. (Just don't do it before you think you'll see her; see OP's point #3.)

Keep it loose, slow, and slick. Sex is never as tight, dry and fast as jacking off is. Don't become one of those guys who likes jacking off more than sex.

[–]selflessGene 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Keep it loose, slow, and slick

Keep going...I'm almost done.

[–]d3gu 6 points7 points  (7 children)

I just suffered from Death Grip Syndrome.

My ex had this... it was a pretty serious problem & probably contributed to a lot of issues later on.

We had a few sexual incompatibilities (I had low libido issues, which I'm thankfully fully recovered from), but even before any of that started, it made me feel pretty inadequate that I could rarely satisfy him. He didn't like blowjobs because 'they went on too long', and honestly I was unable to do it manually because I couldn't do it 'like he wanted' (e.g. like he did it). He didn't like going down on me either.

I agree with /u/tyranus89 in that it's not about masturbation in general, which I personally think is a great thing for many reasons, and I'd say especially for women. It's free relaxation, you get familiar with your body & likes/dislikes, and - most importantly for me - keeps my libido up (sometimes I have to be 'reminded' I like sex).

However - if you're death-gripping it, or using a really powerful vibrator, how are normal humans going to compare?

I have mixed feelings re: porn. I personally quite like it, but my boyfriend doesn't. I think if you can use it responsibly and not get addicted or dependent, then it's alright.

[–]tyranus89 1 point2 points  (6 children)

He didn't like blowjobs

Me neither, because they wouldn't even "come close" (har har). They were stimulating, definitely, but for the most part it was awkward because the girl would get so into them and I would have to act like I loved it. Meanwhile, they'd never be able to finish me off. Would've made some nights a lot more satisfying and less frustrating if I'd be able to finish from a quickie.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I'm just wondering but, you're circumcised right?

[–]tyranus89 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Yes, and it may have had something to do with that, but very little, considering I'm back to normal now.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

but very little

It's got to have a lot more than a little. For guys who are natural its almost too much just to have the glans directly touched at all. I don't understand how people can talk about mental desensitization, and not understand that the physical desensitization is so much greater.

After reading all these posts it seems most of the no-fap guys have said either explicitly or implicitly that they've had performance issues, and hard to achieve endings resulting in frustration. Natural guys who don't do direct glans stimulation don't seem to have this problem with actual sex.

I'm beginning to wonder if this entire no-fap argument is a unknowingly redirected attempt at fixing the problems left by circumcision. It feels like it's compensation for one type of lost sensitivity by making something else more sensitive.

[–]tyranus89 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I am talking about physical desensitization though -- DGS. There's no way to tell for sure if my case has to do with circumcision. I guess the only people who will know for sure are those who have had circumcisions later in life (which would be very rare). All I know is that I had issues reaching climax during sex, changed the way I masturbated and how frequently I did, and now feel like I have "normal" sex.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair enough point. I guess I started talking to the rest of the thread in a reply to you. I apologize.

[–]DivideAndKwanquer 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Not advocate nofap? How is "0" bad? Just wanted your opinion. Thanks!

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    [–]mardiiz 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    Like any addicting habit, quitting cold-turkey only work for really determined people. Most will relapse or just replace one addiction with another.

    Disciplined people go for moderation through self-control.

    Undisciplined people go for zero-tolerance because they know they'll relapse if they're exposed to it at all.

    Food for thought my friend. I was a drug addict for five years. Iwas able to quit cold turkey & have been clean now for just over five years.

    I've found that talking with people who have also quit using (drugs, porn, cigarettes, alcohol etc) & also with those who continue to use by choice that most addictions are the same on some very basic levels.

    When you say

    Undisciplined people go for zero-tolerance because they know they'll relapse if they're exposed to it at all.

    I have mixed feelings about this. Personally I feel that it still takes some degree of discipline to not think about using in the first place, or especially after the initial break from whatever you are using, to keep not using can be a real challenge.

    I know Cocaine makes me feel good. I know how easily I was able to justify doing it on an increasingly regular basis.

    So if we begin to think about using, and are able to stop it while it is still an emerging thought, I feel that takes discipline as well.

    So yes, while I agree with everything you've said, I also feel that someone who has been an alcoholic for ten years & gets sober, knowing the damage alcohol can do to their life, and everyday craves alcohol but has zero tolerance for it, lacks no more discipline than one who is able to have a social drink.

    Anthony Keidis said "I love pot & I love beer, but I am totally sober because those things completely stopped working for me".

    So I think you make a good point, some have zero tolerance due to a complete lack of discipline, but I feel more have zero tolerance simply because it's just not worth it anymore, on any level. If something has completely stopped working for you, why would you ever waste your time on it again?

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      [–]jobs33ker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      is alcohol not everywhere as well?

      I was addicted to H for 3 years and getting clean was very hard, even though i didn't have to pass by bags of dope in the grocery store when going shopping for food. Alcholics have to deal with that.

      [–]mardiiz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Well there is also a drug culture you live in, so you have to change a lot more than

      you just have to resist the few times you see your drug buddies.

      Drugs are used to cope with everyday things, much like people use porn to cope.

      There is a chemical reward from sex and masturbation. Your brain releases dopamine & oxytocin, dopamine is also released from substance abuse.

      So if someone stops using porn cold turkey, it's not that they lack discipline, it's the same as someone whose stopped smoking weed cold turkey. It's just not something you want to do again, regardless of the urges to do it.

      Your brain is telling you to do this so your brain can release dopamine so you can feel good, but ultimately you know you'll resent yourself for doing it.

      Why poke a sleeping dragon?

      Edit : drugs are actually everywhere as well. I could have coke in an hour, pot in 1/2 hour & meth in 20 min if I really wanted to. So sex is readily available, I get that, but so are drugs.

      [–]1whatsazipper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      For some of us, masturbation really provides no benefit. The only type of acceptable moderation is whatever very infrequent amount that ends up occurring (ex. once a month but aiming for zero).

      [–]tyranus89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      It's relative to the individual, but I don't think 0 is ideal. There's a time for masturbation; it can be quite therapeutic at times.

      [–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (14 children)

      Feel free to disagree with me but try and keep it rational and emotional free.

      Bro, do you even internet?

      It's interesting to see you so heavily down-voted so far. Your audience has spoken with their free hand.

      The two main problems with porn are:

      1. Desensitization
      2. Pacification

      Desensitization happens through exposure to highly stimulating input. Internet porn gives men access to an almost infinite range of different sex scenes and an almost infinite number of women. The sensory overload is intense. We are not meant to cope with this much sexual input. It exhausts the neurotransmitters and we end up burned out.

      The problem here is that the two main neurochemicals involved in sex are dopamine and oxytocin. Dopamine is related to excitement and oxytocin to bonding. When you view porn you get the excitement, but there is no actual human-to-human bonding. So you lose that balance. Too much dopamine, without oxytocin to balance it, creates a drug-like effect that brings on a number of side-effects.

      Porn also leads to passivity in men. This is contrary to what people think, because typically porn is seen as a highly masculine environment. And in some cases it may well be—if you are an actor on the set. But when you are watching it, this is a very passive action. Sex has always been something that the vast majority of men needed to work quite hard to get access to and maintain their access. Porn is utterly lazy. You pull out your internet device and sit there single-handedly browsing. There is no real effort involved. This begets bad sexual habits.

      Not only that, but quite a lot of porn involves women taking charge. It is a very common theme. And in real life this is okay every so often. But to set this up as a permanent dynamic in a relationship is asking for trouble. Men whose partners lead suffer from reduced testosterone. And their partners lose respect for them. So many affairs come about because the husband won't take charge.

      One of my regrets from my teens is over-fapping. What a waste of energy.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 37 points38 points  (13 children)

      The porn industry is a complete idolization of women.

      It's not the old days when these girls were used and tossed aside: these chicks have massive twitter followings.

      Think about that for a second. Porn stars have massive twitter followings. All you need to know about why porn is unhealthy for men.

      [–]Movonnow 17 points18 points  (1 child)

      The porn industry is a complete idolization of women.

      Absolutely. As a former huge porn user, my fantaisies and views of sex was a girl who would lay down, undress herself and who would dirty talk me and tell me what to do, what she wanted. The man had a passive role and followed everything the woman said.

      You can guess what happened when I first got laid.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      yuuup.

      porn is slut paradise. women run porn nowadays. the big stars only work with the guys, producers, and people they want. they run their websites and some even have studios.

      they get millions of social media followers and make thousands of dollars for showing up at strip clubs.

      Porn is Slut Paradise.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (10 children)

      We are in agreement. Although, their celebrity status is probably even more transient than that of most other celebrities. I'm no porn star expert, though.

      [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 22 points23 points  (6 children)

      my friends talk about porn stars and i'm like "who gives a fuck"

      how do you have favorite porn stars? who gives a fuck? who remembers any of these girls or who they are?

      it's disturbing.

      [–]Moneyley 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      Agree with you on everything. Great post. What resonated with me is that post porn viewing feeling that makes you feel like crap. You gave in to the urge for dopamine just like you could give in and be a beta to a woman in order to have sex the way you saw on that porno. I proudly have a long standing badge but rarely visit r/nofap anymore because of too many non relevant postings about accomplishments such as "I talked to a girl today", nofap, like trp is about making you a better version of yourself

      [–]1TheReason13 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      There is nothing wrong with fapping, but like anything else excessive overuse is obviously detrimental to your health.

      Strictly celibate men go through a weird form of "sexual atrophy" for lack of a better phase. They of course see this as a liberation from the sex drive. Consequently these men experience short and long term gains in other bodily functions such as increased cognitive function, energy, immunity and longevity. The most plausible explanation I've read so far is that the liberation from the "minerally, chemically and neurologically taxing" sex drive leaves a surplus that the body uses to compensate by improving other functions. Similar to a blind mans heightened sence of smell and hearing.

      If I can remember correctly, the claim is that the body sacrifices enormous mineral and nutrient resources to produce semen, which along with dihidrotestosterone (male sex hormone) is manufactured mainly by the prostate. The process of having an orgasm is also enormously taxing on the body neurologically and chemically. These sacrifices go hand in hand and is the reason why a man is physically, mentally and emotionally useless after an orgasm. The body has a built in mechanism called the "refractory period" to allow for recovery. Erectile dysfunction is a form of prolonged refractory period caused by sexual exhaustion.

      Regardless of diet a man need at least three weeks to fully replace what was lost from a single orgasm. This is directly dependent on the body's ability to replace what is lost before it can start repair and recovery, and is an extremely complex process. This is interesting because although I'm no expert on this process, there are many secretive martial arts like Mo Pai and Nei Kung and Jeet Kun Do that require abstinence from orgasm for at least three weeks before training can resume.

      Excessive orgasm depletes the body and leaves men fatigued and unmotivated. This causes a chain reaction where the body over produces DHT to facilitate the production of semen, the DHT imbalance causes excessive sexual arousal whether the body has replaced lost resources and recovered or not, to relieve the constant sexual tension caused by the hormonal imbalance the male ejaculates regularly, depletes the body of more resources and starts the process all over again.

      Basically your body places priority on reproductive function to replace excessive loss of semen by increasing DHT to facilitate this, the excess DHT arouses the male and fools him into excessively ejaculating which causes excessive loss of semen which sends the body back to step one. And repeat.

      Side effects are fatigue, depression, anxiety, hormonal imbalance, malformed and brittle finger and toe nails, early onset male pattern baldness, premature gray hair, impotence, erectile dysfunction, weak erection, sluggish cognitive function, bipolar disorder, prostate health complications, bone structure complications, testicle complications.

      The information is there to do with whatever you want, you can call bullshit or experiment either way nobody cares. Its up to what you prefer.

      [–]MasonJarTeaDrinker 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      It's pretty BP if you ask me, watching some other dude fuck the hot chick while you have sex with your hand.

      I'm all about being a better man and that starts with some self control.

      [–]duglock 22 points23 points  (22 children)

      I use to until I noticed a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. Women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, but I do deny them my essence.

      [–]Stevieb1972 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Excellent Kubrick reference. Have an up vote.

      [–]throwawaymuffeater 9 points10 points  (18 children)

      Sperm retention works serious wonders. Its like women can smell your increased testosterone. Kinda weird at first. Beware of easy boners.

      [–]duglock 4 points5 points  (5 children)

      Kinda weird at first.

      I know. At first I thought it was type of communist conspiracy.

      [–]LukeMooney 22 points23 points  (4 children)

      I'm a fapstronaught and fucking love it. I hope I never go back fapping over porn. By denying myself fap I must go and conquer new pussy. I also have a lot more energy for worthwhile tasks, increased confidence and aggressiveness. The only fap I allow myself when I'm desperate is an imagination fap, I refuse porn.

      for those saying, "everything in moderation" or "its a placebo" then try no fap for 30 days and record how much better your life becomes. You'll never want to go back. If I'm wrong and you feel the same, you've lost 30 days of fapping, and learnt about self control. Would be interested in to hear from anyone who has done nofap and didn't think it was beneficial.

      [–]namasgo 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      I've always been advocate of nofap years before it became movement on reddit. Our father and grandfathers and men before that didn't have access to porn like we do now.

      Those men spent time working and being productive. And if they met women, they pursued the women they wanted like men. It was natural and no technology. Of course women were different then too.

      However save your seeds, your fluids, your energy for an actual women. A female that craves to be dominated by your masculine energy. In exchange she surrenders herself to you and her feminine energy. Sounds a little new agey but its the fucking truth.

      For me every time I go on a long streak without fapping I am dominating and focused. It forces me to and drives me to go after women. I feel confident that I don't need porn or that instant gratification. Energetically I feel drawn towards women, its like a magnetic pull. And when you do have sex after no fapping, you'll enjoy it so much better and the female will also.

      Would you rather be balls deep in woman or be playing with your own balls?

      [–]Namerali 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I'd rather be balls deep in a women I want to fuck. I always concentrate on fucking at least 6's or 7's. I've had plenty of 1's to 5's hit on me; dick shrivelling ugos if you ask me. Then I use porn to help me concentrate my energies on the ones I do want to fuck.

      Which brings me to how you're right about the energy that wells up inside you when you abstain from fapping. I could probably find more 6 - 10 tail if I left my hands off my dick. Thing is, I'm a forward guy who knows A LOT of people; that pool of energy could get me into some serious trouble if I didn't wank now and again.

      That's what happens when you're a social guy who has a reputation to uphold and no other recourse for your sexual frustrations.

      [–]Ralt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I've done nofap for 2.75 months. It's fucking stupid.

      [–]Endorsed Contributor2comment 47 points48 points  (36 children)

      The basic problem with porn is it's a waste of time (like video games) that feeds your brains rewards centers without actually having accomplished anything. No different than any other addiction. I have a lot of 20-something friends from school that waste their life on it. We're talking years long of them moping they have no life, and then going home and living this lack of life in front of a screen and not even getting paid for it.

      Just an hour a day after a decade (say by 23, since guys start at 12-13) that's over 3,650 hours (152 days straight) could have been used to master 3-4 major skills or several dozen minor ones, or finding prospects or doing something.

      Do they wake up when they are 37 and go "Shit, I wish I played more games or spanked it to Sasha Grey more often!"? No, no one does that. They just continue feeling shitty. All that time for instant gratification, no positive long term results.

      Jerk off in the shower or something quick and move on. At least you'll be clean for your effort.

      If anyone needs more convincing, the porn novelty treadmill eventually causes erectile dysfunction in a lot of young guys who can still jerk off but not get hard when they're with a girl:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

      I also don't recommend nofap either, mostly because I don't think jerking off is evil several times a week, and that sub comes off as a group of white knights anyway.

      [–]zlex 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      First of all who jacks off for a whole hour every day? Second of all, people don't work 24/7. Everyone needs downtime and if you weren't masturbating you'd be doing something else unproductive, like posting essays on reddit at 1:00AM. Plenty of people are highly productive and still find time to masturbate, watch movies and TV, hang out with friends and family. If you aren't getting shit done it isn't because you spent your evening after work watching porn, it's because you are unmotivated and lazy and are using something that many people manage to do--i.e. relax--as a scapegoat for your shitty work ethic.

      [–]4nn1h1l4tor 1 point2 points  (10 children)

      Except you don't understand the benefits of playing video games and your understanding of "achievement" is questionable. You cannot just impose it on other people.

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 18 points19 points  (8 children)

      You're lying to yourself. I say this as a former hardcore gamer. The benefits of cutting down your gaming/idling time and picking up something productive instead are enormous.

      [–]Bulingar 1 point2 points  (7 children)

      How do you define "hardcore"?

      Also do you mind sharing the benefits you got from abstaining?

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 5 points6 points  (6 children)

      Pretty damn hardcore. Like missing multiple meals in succession hardcore.

      When I put the games down, I found I needed to fill the time up with other things. So I started by finding other hobbies, like playing guitar. I started scheduling time to hang out with other people, which led to opportunities to meet women. Started learning two new languages. I invested time in courses in my field, which led to me scoring my big break in advancing my career in my industry. Time is a man's most valuable asset, you don't realize how valuable it is when you're young and think you have so much of it.

      I still game, maybe 1-2 hours a week. But looking back on it, I was lying when I said I was happy. I told myself that gaming brought me happiness, when instead I was distracting myself from how unhappy I was. Being well-rounded, being financially successful, being successful with women, these things made me happy.

      If you want to be successful, you need to put in hard work, which means putting the distractions down for a while.

      [–]sneakylord 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      What made you say "fuck this" to the video games and rise up out of the hole? I'm assuming general dissatisfaction and unhappiness finally got to a breaking point. I find myself struggling with the same thing.

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I couldn't get over the fact that when I wasn't immersed in a video game I was really miserable. I found happiness in video games like a drunk does with a bottle of scotch.

      I wasn't able to go completely cold turkey, I just told myself I would take a brief hiatus. One month. Turns out, when I started to see the immediate benefits I didn't really feel all that eager to devolve into heavy gaming again.

      [–]Brandwein 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Whatever makes yourself happy and does not hurt others is not a waste of time. Period.

      [–]hairaware 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      When I have sex it takes longer then jerking it. Im saving time in the end. I don't crave the emotional or mental companionship so in a purely cost benefit analysis Im winning.

      [–]throwawaymuffeater 0 points1 point  (9 children)

      You couldnt be more wrong. Jerking off constantly and jerking off constantly to porn are basically the same exact thing. Kills motivation and energy. If you don't think so, try going 10 days and tell me how much more productive you were. Fapping once a week is good. Theres no need to constantly masturbate, itll make you sexually obsessed and drain you of energy that would propel you towards goals quicker. It also significantly drops your testosterone.

      [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      I've gone weeks without getting off, gotten laid daily, jerked when I'm sick of dealing with females, watch naked girls sometimes, and I've been into rather hard core BDSM with my second wife. I haven't found what you claim to be true, I don't have surplus motivation or energy when I don't get off. Frustration and distraction are what I get when its been more than a few days. My mind is not focused on what I want to accomplish, its focused on getting laid and I can make very bad choices when my mind is stuck on pussy. I've gone months on deployment without anything and by the end of it I'm more pissed off than anything.

      Sounds to me like you guys have a problem with self control if masturbation is a problem. For me its maintenance. Also its bullshit that it lowers t levels, it raises them temporarily just like getting laid does, but not quite as much as getting laid. I am almost completely ineffective at thinking and problem solving after ten days of no sexual release, the goal of my life isn't to get laid and frustrate myself, I have far better shit to do. Wanking keeps me from being distracted by pussy, and right now the last thing I need is a money sucking leech in my wallet.

      [–]throwawaymuffeater 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      It actually seems like your life revolves around sex. Pussy obviously on a pedestal.

      [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yeah sure, that's why I'm in full monk mode and building rather than wasting time and resources on females. Yeah, makes perfect sense.

      [–]Endorsed Contributor2comment 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      The problem with preaching and demanding purity is it's a class that's pass/fail at the A+ level and forsaking the vast majority of A-, B and C students that would make positive progress otherwise.

      [–]tyranus89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I don't think he's advocating jerking off constantly, just not pedestalizing it.

      [–]cdogg75 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I have to disagree. The action is the same sure, but that is where it ends. The people who obsessively jerk to porn CANNOT get off without it. They might not even be able to get it up without their porn of choice.

      I guess if you can jerk off to a dozen 400lb naked fat chicks in front of you, and you have to stare at them when you do it, then you are a god, but for many others, they cannot even be turned on enough physically to jerk off without it. This then spills over into their real life. Pick up a hot chick ( or any chick really), and when it is time to perform, cannot because they do not look like the pornstars they get off to.

      [–]dvrzero 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      It also significantly drops your testosterone.

      source? I don't understand this; is it the act of male orgasm that drops testosterone? or just masturbation?

      I guess if the end result is to have sex with another human then nofap might be worthwhile... but i don't believe the low T thing.

      [–]tallwheel 91 points92 points  (37 children)

      Well, I for one am sick of all this nofap bullshit. I masturbate when I feel like it, fuck just fine, muscle gain and productivity are fine. It's not a habit, and it has always been completely under my control. It doesn't negatively impact my life in any way. Sure, it uses some time, but not a lot, and I consider it time well-spent. There's nothing wrong with using what God gave us to pleasure ourselves when we can. You guys are overthinking this. When you feel like wanking, and it's the proper time and place for it, then just do it.

      All the anti-masturbation sentiment is really just rooted in a cultural belief that it's pathetic and immoral. People find other ways to justify nofap like 1) it lowers testosterone levels, 2) It wastes time, 3) It shows lack of self-control, 4) It's habit forming. But the root assumption is that it's "wrong" or "pathetic" somehow. Who the fuck cares? 1) It's not hurting anybody, 2) Orgasm is one of the best natural highs you can get, 3) If you live alone you have plenty of opportunity to do it when you feel like it, 4) It's a way to get off without having to deal with women when you don't feel like it. I really don't see any good reason to resist the urge when you have it.

      [–]Movonnow 17 points18 points  (12 children)

      Well, if it is harmless for you, good for you. But on Nofap are people who can not control their urges and sometime prefer to spend the night jerking off than going out. More generaly, some people consider it as bad for them just like you consider it as okay. It's up to everyone to decide for himself. Personnaly, I used to jerk off 9 times a day and I chose to cut it down because I thought it was making me lifestyle less fun.

      [–]HiddenPools 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      Who are you people? I masturbate like once, MAYBE twice a day sometimes. Past three times and it starts to get sore. Do you have dick calluses, or do you just blow your load in like 5 minutes?

      Also, I don't feel the redpill is the area to discuss uncontrollable dick wanking. Maybe that's just me.

      [–]tallwheel 11 points12 points  (7 children)

      people who can not control their urges and sometime prefer to spend the night jerking off than going out.

      I apologize if I am being insensitive, but I just can't understand this. If I were about to go out and suddenly felt a strong urge to fap, I would probably either just quickly rub one out in 5-10 min. and then go out, or just tell myself I'll fap later when I get home (assuming I come home alone).

      Honestly, if I had a magical stick between my legs which provided pleasure greater than anything that could be obtained by going out, then I would probably just stay home and fap every night too, but alas I have but a normal penis.

      In all seriousness, though, I think the person who chooses not to go out and have fun due to their masturbation addiction is just obsessing too much over fapping. By thinking about it as an addiction, they might just be making things worse. I think most normal guys have no problem delaying pleasure and saving up their baby batter until an opportune time to enjoy the release.

      At the very least I can tell you from experience that the above hypothetical person will grow out of it eventually as he grows older and his libido goes down.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorpuaSenator 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      I think the anti-fap thing is more directed towards those that are literally addicted to masturbation -- which is quite common for the internet junky. Like, there are dudes who literally wank it 5x a day and shit and watch more porn than you can imagine.

      So I don't think this post is really for you or I, but those which have an actual problem related to chronic masturbation. Personally, I think not jerking off is a terrible idea, because I've tried it, and all it lead to was me making horrible decisions because my dick was getting frustrated and would make me believe whatever I wanted to believe to give him some action...

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      You need to take into account the variation in human biology, you're applying some male solipsism here. In the same way that alcohol consumption is not a big deal for most people, some people are genetically wired to be predisposed to abusing it.

      Excessive masturbation is harmful. I'm not an extremist on the topic, but just like alcohol there's a fine line between fun-times and disease state.

      [–]dongpal 9 points10 points  (9 children)

      I tried nofap for 3 years with a lot of relapses between 2 days to 35days. I gained a lot of experience at that topic. A lot of positive effects, I know exactly how my body reponses to specific thoughts, feelings, when I see something etc. .

      I try pornfree for about 2 months now and I see almost all the benefits of nofap (confidence, good skin, full energy) with the benefits of mastrubating ( relaxed, not needy, not full mode horny whlie at the same time high interest in women ). Funny thing is even after orgasm Im still very intested in women, whlie with porn it goes completly downhill

      porn is the devil not mastrubation, thats why I quit nofap

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        [–]dongpal 3 points4 points  (5 children)

        yes, we evolved to mastrubate, but not to such stimula (porn) which rises your dopamine for hours every day so your body thinks you hit the genetic jackpot while in real you are a porn addict who cant even look women into the eyes

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          [–]soulmatter[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          That last part you mentioned doesn't seem to hold up to current science. According to WebMD only sex gives you the health benefits. source

          [–]cocardio 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          You hit the nail on the head. If you use masturbation as an escape then you need to learn self control. Plenty of us can jack off until our cocks are rubbed raw and still fuck for a marathon right after. There are plenty of posts about how sex is just a simple biological release that's necessary for male sanity and nofap is a contradiction to this idea.

          [–]mc0079 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          These no fap guys are like shitty AA members...sorry you can't handle a beer, but I get along just fine...stop trying to tell me something is good or bad because you can't handle it.

          [–]Casual_Tits -1 points0 points  (4 children)

          I'm not knocking your beliefs, but can we please keep "God" and religion out of TRP.

          Edit: Downvote if you think this is concern trolling, but I just don't think it has a place here.

          [–]jobs33ker 16 points17 points  (2 children)

          You are concern trolling. What is with reddit having a GIANT stick up it's ass about god? I like how you put "religion" in there as well as if ANYTHING he said had fuck-all to do with religion. He just said "God gave us..." and you find that soooooo offensive that you just had to say something.

          You remind me of a SJW, offended at silly language. You seriously can't look past the simple fact that he chose to say "god gave us" rather than "we were born with.."? Who the fuck cares?

          [–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Bwahaha! I'm an atheist. I wrote the "God" part as just a figure of speech. Yes, you are a concern troll. I am an atheist, and I have no issue with using the common phrase "what God gave me".

          [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 9 points10 points  (4 children)

          You always post good shit ryan. Thanks for another great one.

          [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

          like i always say, i post things that i've discovered through years of fuck ups, never saying no, and painful self-awareness.

          the first time i had a woman naked in my bed and couldn't get hard, i knew we had an issue. the first time i fucked and fucked and fucked but couldn't cum i knew there was a problem.

          [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          I've never had those things happen to me but I have definitely notice how enslaved my mind became from pornography and masturbation. I wish it was much less pushed as some kind of good in this world to do that to ourselves. It's crazy the amount of truth that is found on this forum as opposed to the rest of the world.

          [–]Jbonn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          It's crazy the amount of truth that is found on this forum as opposed to the rest of the world.
          

          The greatest thing I have come to embrace over the past year is truth above all else. As tough as facing the truth can sometimes be, the reward for doing so is much greater than the self-deceit and misguidance we would otherwise endure.

          When you look at the world the way it really is, accept it, and act accordingly you finally gain the power to take control of your life.

          I will never again feel as though I am a victim of circumstance, I believe in my own agency, ability to act and take full responsibility for anything that may happen in my life.

          If you are a young male that is watching lots of porn and are having problems in bed with women, you have to take a moment to really consider the possibilities of the situation. I doubt any guy is going to want to stop watching porn. I am sure most would rather lie to themselves about the situation than to consider stopping but If you are not watching in moderation it is seriously likely that there are going to have to be changes in the way you spend your alone time.

          Be introspective and be true to yourself.

          [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          that's what we bring

          a lot of it hurts but that's the point

          [–]flplatespin 43 points44 points  (15 children)

          Excellent post. The prevalence of porn has created a master race of basement dwelling betas with flabby physiques and cheeto stained hands. It is a race to the bottom of humanity.

          These same betas validate the feminist women of today. Self control is an important part of becoming the independent man you need to be in today's world. Why watch porn when you can make it? I would rather have a half dozen awesome real sex sessions each year than watch that crap.

          [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

          Exactly.The first time I watched a porn being made in person it killed it for me.

          -They makeup, bleach, scrub, scrape everything. Everything and everyone smells sterile.

          -They take a dozen takes of every position. Sex doesn't look that way for real. It's never that smooth and fluid.

          Everything is so…depressing and false. There's nothing attractive about porn.

          [–]1wiseclockcounter 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          amateur porn can be sloppy, stinky, hairy, and poorly lit. there's something out there to tickle everone's fancy.

          [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          same can be said about girls

          they require a modicum of effort and skill. porn does not. thus why it's so detrimental.

          I play sports video games with friends on the occasion. Video games can be harmful but at least they require a semblance of skill and coordination, especially when you're as competitive as we are.

          [–]juanqunt 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Who gives a fuck? You're like one of them vegans who've visited a slaughter house. If I just finished fucking a girl and came a few times and still have a boner 10 minutes later and couldn't fall asleep, I'm gonna jack off.

          http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html

          [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          if you've fucked a girl a few times and have a rock hard dick 10 minutes later, you're an animal and this discussion isn't for you.

          [–]the99percent1 11 points12 points  (9 children)

          What you said couldn't be further from the truth...

          Do you call those who buy dinner from 7/11 fat beta schlubs just because they were too lazy to cook their own meals?

          So why does watching porn equal basement dwelling betas??

          Porn is just convenient.. It's nice that if i'm feeling horny and want to jack off to something, I can whip out some porn and jack off to that. It is convenient. I like convenience. Here's a lesson for you, as a man, everything you gear yourself towards is to make life convenient for you.

          TBH, when you've got your life in order. As with my case. ie, a nice job, own house, a hot girlfriend, & interesting hobbies. Who gives a flying fuck if I want to masturbate?

          A man does what he wants. Telling them it's wrong without giving any context is just plain bullshittery along the lines of BP fed Disney love stories. Complete fantasy. Stop telling people what they can or cant do based off your feels and opinion.

          I dont get why this thread is even on TRP. This idealistic thinking is not rooted with reality... Men are going to jerk off to porn. We are not going to stop masturbating just because some dude called us basement dwelling betas. Way to judge an entire populace of porn watchers..

          Neither does this bullshit contribute to the working body of RP knowledge. It is purely a topic of matter of opinion.

          Go back to No Fap if you want to be judged like a God of not playing with thy-self.. The majority in here couldn't care less.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 4 points5 points  (5 children)

          TBH, when you've got your life in order

          Therein lies the caveat. Alcohol isn't a problem when you have your life in order, but it's a very easy thing to abuse. Recognize that what most basement-dwelling betas are doing is self-abuse.

          [–]flplatespin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          A little angry bro. The reality is that porn gives you rewards that you did not earn. If you want to abuse your schlong, go for it.

          I would rather have real sex and enjoy it. Beta mindset is rewards without the effort. The redpill shows us that rewards require real effort.

          [–]1 Endorsed ContributorMeatclap 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          Generalizations do not a wise man make when rational thinking is available. For example, I and a few I know do not conflate slutty with sexy. Maybe that's an age thing, I'm not a young man, most of these people were not especially young. It is, by this alone, that I challenge that the conflation of slutty and sexy is not unavoidable, that it is in fact possible to separate the two.

          Honestly your whole second masturbation point seems to involve quite a bit of inference and probably some projecting on others.

          ON point three, alpha and beta are silly ideals, advice on these ideals are even sillier. It's loose interpretation, with no actual adherence to any rule or principle, as TRP demonstrates frequently with young and/or angry newcomers giving often conflicting ideas of what "alpha". One can assume an alpha is dominant or strong and a beta is compliant or weak, for example, but then there are so many threads in here alone that talk about game, spinning plates, etc, that involve subtle manipulative tactics, which may or may not be a "beta thing to do" or give the appearance of "being beta" when in fat the endgame is so much more complex and might fit the ideals listed here, however abstract, of being alpha.

          An example would be: The beta paid through the nose just for the pleasure of her company. The alpha paid through the nose, apparently for the pleasure of her company, but in reality she was well connected and a gateway to meeting people that would help advance his career.

          Not a great example, but most of this is off the cuff, please bear with me. This isn't even a matter of perspective but rather about perception, and we don't always know everything, we can only work with what we do know, which is why these presumptions are so destructive to the self and others if passed off as advice.

          On point four; "the pinnacle of manhood" is, like alpha and beta, seemingly a matter of subjective interpretation. The pinnacle of manhood can also be said to know one's self, which is an umbrella that could cover moderation, sexual identity, sexual/masturbatory discipline, sexual/masturbatory security, and other things that this off-the-cuff reply will probably miss.

          My whole point is not to nitpick or be converse with your own idea of what constitutes "alpha", pinnacle, restraint, moderation, etc is not a linear standard and to preach, almost literally, your own ideas onto others assumes they have your experience or line of thinking/reasoning. So much of your post looks like it's about shaming, and whatever I say I certainly take issue with shaming anyone, especially men, for enjoying their bodies in privacy.

          Maybe I missed your point, but I make of your post what I will as you will mine, all in fairness.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Its not easy to stop doing something you've gotten up to since you were 13.

          I should know.

          [–]ThrownAwayTRP 11 points12 points  (23 children)

          Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought masturbating had nothing to do with testosterone levels. Basically, nofap is a bunch of bro science/placebo effect.

          Personally, I decided last week to stop jerking off. I was getting a little stressed and unfocused and didn't really have it in me. That said, I think it would be wise to start doing it a little more. I fucked a plate and after I came in her mouth, it was plainly obvious it tasted a lot worse than the last time. I do know that its a fact that it will taste "stale" or "rotten," for lack of better words, if you don't clear out the pipes every few days.

          I guess I'll go without for a few more weeks. I haven't felt any different yet but like I said, its been a rough week so its not like I'm controlling for variables here. I know jerking off every morning in the shower tended to make me short on time so at the very least, there's that problem fixed.

          [–]soulmatter[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Stale or rotten? Sounds like bro science to me. I have heard that your diet will effect the taste. Like eating pineapple often for example.

          Anyway. The effects of porn is hard to study because mostly colleges do the research. And they use students as their test subjects. Try finding a male college student who doesn't watch porn.

          But what has been found is that the ejaculation itself isn't the problem. Testosterone barely fluctuates with orgasm. It's the watching of the porn and the effect of the novelty factor on your brain that can cause issues like addiction.

          Read more here: http://yourbrainonporn.com/dopamine-and-novelty

          [–]juanqunt -4 points-3 points  (11 children)

          It doesn't. OP is a nonlifting phaggot. The more I lift, the more I wanna fuck. The more I fuck, the more I wanna fap. The more I fap, the more I wanna lift.

          http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html

          [–]bluedrygrass 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          I've read your link, and it's just a wall of text of furious rambling with insults in the place of punctuation. Completely useless, and it makes the author looks like an immature child.

          [–]4ryan42 15 points16 points  (5 children)

          1. You don't know if OP lifts or not
          2. It's proven that abstaining from masturbation will increase test for a short time
          3. Everyone is different, I feel like shit after masturbating and on a good streak of not masturbating I like to lift more.
          4. A random blog is even less trustworthy then /r/noFap if it's about NoFap.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The fact that you were up voted both times you provided this terrible article makes me question if this subreddit is still worth browsing.

          [–]a_nus 12 points13 points  (3 children)

          I don't know dude... I currently don't masturbate, as an experiment. But I used to masturbate a lot, watch porn, and play video-games (I still play a lot of video-games). And those activities never deterred me from accomplishing any of my other goals.

          You must be assuming everyone who plays video-games or masturbate is addicted to the activities. I've seen many posts on TRP claiming video-games, maturbation, and other "beta" hobbies are inferior activities which will harm you... but honestly, if you don't get consumed by them, they're just as harmless as reading a book (depends on the plot ;) )

          [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          It's all about moderation and the human brain, when it comes to the reward cycle, does not trend towards moderation so most people get carried away with cheap temporary rewards that make them feel better in the now.

          It's heavily conditioned into boys raised in a female dominated society because mothers want to make their children feel better they don't care if there little boy grows up to be someone important they just want him to be happy so they aim for the easy happy that's right in front of him. They let him have french fries instead of real vegies, they let him stay inside and play games because he says it's fun, they coddle him and get him an ice cream if he scrapes his knee, meanwhile he's probably turning into a fat pussy with no friends.

          Not every guy ends up a slave to his reward cycle but I'd say most if not all guys have a few habits that provide them feel good chemicals that they would have an immense amount of trouble dropping. I would advise people to find ways to trade bad habits for good ones;

          • You love food and it's making you fat or unhealthy? Stop eating junkfood and learn to cook tasty home made food.

          • You're stuck in a self destructive cycle of complacency revolving around web, video game, porn and masturbation addictions? Find ways to moderate those into something you are proud of or at least benefited by:

          Dedicate web time to self education/improvement.

          Start a twitch or youtube channel you might end up with a few bucks in you pocket after a year. If you've got the skills see if you can compete against the pros, if you don't have the talent for that you should try investing that time obsessively into something else, probably artistic like music, drawing or writing.

          Ditch porn entirely, it fucks self control, this one just takes muscling through but picking up exercise, accomplishing tangible goals and eating food you like will more than replace it's effect.

          Same advice as for porn but maybe start lifting weights so you can find a girlfriend.

          • You're addicted to a hard drug and it is negatively effecting you life? Switch to a weaker drug.

          • You're addicted to a weaker drug and it's taking a toll on your life? This one sucks because supplementing this addiction means you're probably gonna get fat so I would say put up reminders in front of every chair you use in your house about how much it's costing you or your children per year and what that could pay for in certain time frames.

          • You can't stop fucking sluts? Make tutorials on how to get women and monetize the videos.

          I feel like I wrote too much now but maybe this will help someone. as for NoFap challenge it's a good way to learn self control you can apply in other parts of your life.

          [–]cocardio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You're correct. Moderation is key, if an activity is preventing you from achieving other goals then its a problem, otherwise its just you doing whatever you fucking want because you are in control of your life .

          [–]AdviceTRP 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          "Let's talk about X"

          Starting to sound like Tumblr in here.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 10 points11 points  (7 children)

          The man speaks the truth. You know, some say that "game" can be said to be synonymous with "Killer Instinct".

          Read this article to get a good idea of what I'm talking about: The importance Of Cultivating Killer Instinct

          That feeling, that power, is undermined every time you fap. Testosterone peaks at 7 days of abstaining, to 50% above normal. At least cut down to once a week to maximize your chances taking advantage of that, if nothing else.

          I tell you guys, you have not lived until you have experienced the thrill of roaming a club or even the fucking bedroom with that "killer instinct" described above. That feeling is irreplaceable, its like a runner's high, and I contend its heavily influenced by the hormones in your blood that day. Its something everyone around you notices and its something you cannot just... fake.

          EDIT: Whoops Where are my manners? I forgot to source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788

          Haters can go to hell. In either case, I am not trying to contend science here(though on the subject matter, you have little except anecdotes and studies on old men to claim otherwise, trust me, I checked). I am contending something worth trying and that may very well vary person to person. I do acknowledge masturbation has benefits, and it reduces anxiety and is healthy in moderation. But I find it a silly waste of time and energy if its obsession. I classify obsession as once daily, I classify moderation as once-twice a week. And I classify RP as within a condom or on a girl as often as you want.

          The bottom line is, masturbating unreasonably saps your desire to pursue women. Even if the testosterone stat doesn't convince you, that much is definitely true for most. Are you truly ok with that?

          [–]juanqunt -1 points0 points  (3 children)

          If one more non-lifting phaggot bullshits about how no fap increases test levels, I'm ready to slam a 120lb dumbbell on his head. If anything, if you don't use it, you lose it. On days when I bang a slut multiple times, I actually find that I need to fap even more. No fap is fear mongering perpetuated by betas. Plain and simple.

          I'm linking to the truth on every post I make ITT: http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html

          This is a blog is written by a guy who is aggressive as fuck all the time, a world record holding powerlifter who's fucking shredded year round, and a smart dude who does his research.

          EDIT: I love how all my posts ITT constantly get up/downvoted back and forth. If you're downvoting, you're still a bluepiller in denial when it comes to fitness and hormones. Probably still wasting all your cash on scam supplements and have low natural T to start with.

          [–]berryfarmer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The importance Of Cultivating Killer Instinct

          This "inner shadow" is some pretty wierd shit, wtf are they talking about..

          [–]colaturka 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          where the porn is still playing and you feel utterly disgusted and ashamed at what you're getting off to

          The fuck is wrong you? I feel fucking awesome.

          [–]LAMFF 17 points18 points  (3 children)

          Your post is just one long masterbatory ode to your own self-importance.

          [–]BluepillProfessor 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          Oh crap, I click-baited because I thought you guys would be talking about different masturbation techniques not pontificating about porn. NoFap is not for everyone- different strokes for different folks- I say.

          [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          this was a good post, you definitely needed to post this

          [–]Zran 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This post inspires and makes more sense to me than nofap ever did. Time to take the first step.

          [–]eagleclaw457 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I think masturbation is ok if you can control yourself. There is a really interesting chapter in "No More Mr. Nice Guy" on this topic. He talks about going cold turkey on compulsive masturbation and instead doing what he calls healthy masturbation. I just finished the book and encourage anyone who hasn't read it to start asap.

          [–]Merica911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The thing that certain people are labeling masturbation as "herein" of the party drug when masturbating is just the party.

          I'm 100% against porn. But not masturbating make someone asexual. Trust me, I did whole Nofap for a year last year. I found a lot about myself and it was something I really needed to withhold for awhile since before I use to PMO all the time.

          I thought TRP is for us men to go with our feelings? Not saying binge on porn all day, but if there's a girl you wanna fuck, there shouldn't be any shame. We're not monks.

          [–]Namerali 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I agree. The way, and frequency of which, I jack off is far different when I was any number of years younger than I am now. Before, it was almost women worship: I would find the most beautiful women in a porno and would psychologically almost treat the masturbatory experience like some sort of ritual to see her express her supposed nubile body to express itself sexually. I did it way too often and sometimes multiple times per day. In retrospect, that was really messed up and I felt no shame for doing it.

          Now, I just wank to get relief. Seriously, I may wank once every two days now just to make sure my head's fucking clear. ... Yeah, fuck those pre-TRP days.

          [–]juanqunt 11 points12 points  (6 children)

          No fap is bullshit. Do you even lift brah? If you have high test, you'd want to fuck 5 times a day and still can't fall asleep without fapping 5 more times. To me, it's just a bodily function, like eating and taking a shit. I don't overthink it.

          And if you've ever been on tren, you'd know that you'd be able to spin multiple plates, rip all their pussies apart, and still need to fap after that. Unless you've crash your estro or got deca dick, no fap is a nightmare for the bodybuilder. Badly enough as a natty with high test, literally impossible on tren.

          http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html

          [–]1point21Jigowatts 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          To me, it's just a bodily function, like eating and taking a shit. I don't overthink it.

          This. Exactly this. It's just a normal bodily function that needs to be taken care of. Some people can overdo it to the point of it being counter-productive in their life, but that's true of almost anything.

          I also do not buy the idea that fapping lowers testosterone.

          [–]killintg 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          I'm doing no gap right now and I feel amazing. Something Iv'e struggled with for years and am finally doing. It works for some people. It's the popularity of it that makes it so easy to bash.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          I used to post on /r/NoFap quite a bit but it's changed from a serious discussion to a karma circle jerk for "Girls" and memes what I can say is I decided to challenge my self in high schoool with one of 4chan's nofap September challenges and although I went a month on my first try it was one of the hardest most eye opening experiences I've ever had.

          I learned that my friends had very weak wills and were upset by this because they thought I was trying to improve myself, they convinced me to jerk of because they said I became too aggressive when I just became straight forward, I'd lost just enough patience that I would no longer dance around my point. I also learned that my body was physically driving me against my own intentions with no concern for my conscious mind, I would get horny and compulsively masturbate with almost no control. I would take a shower and completely forget that I wasn't supposed to touch myself, it really shoved my own weakness in my face.

          It really changed me for the better, I had no shame about masturbating and never have but when I stopped I gained so much confidence not because I felt there was no shame to hide but because I felt like an animal being chased by a predator. I was being driven to fulfill my instincts because I had stopped tricking my mind into believing my needs were satisfied; I found the courage to talk to girls, I found the motivation to work out, I found the drive to get a job and be independent, all things which I cowered from months before as I quietly jerked off to my crushes and porn.

          Most of all quitting PMO pulled back a curtain that was my own self deception and gave me a better idea of what these sort of curtains look like in life, and that is what drove me to abandon my feminist ideology, and to see through the lies we tell ourselves and each other; If I hadn't spent 30 days without busting a nut back in highschool I probably would never have found TRP and to be honest I don't The manosphere would be nearly as large as it is if those threads on 4chan never took off.

          [–]teeelo 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          I decided to pass on a wank tonight as it so happens.

          Feels good man.

          [–]HandsomeXan 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Am I the only person who doesn't feel bad after jerkin it?

          I think this post is more directed at the weak-willed, or people with "addictive personalities".

          Wouldn't it be plausible to say:

          • If you have a higher level of self-control, it doesn't matter how much you jack off, drink, or do drugs.

          A person as such would have none of the problems OP has associated with masturbation.

          [–]throwawaymuffeater 5 points6 points  (3 children)

          0 is not bad at all. 100 is terrible. Id rather be full of energy, testosterone and incredibly productove than be the total opposite. That being said, once every 7-10 days is optimal.

          [–]variableLt 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          People defending masturbation usually don't want to admit that all that "exercise" results in zero benefits. Masturbation is always-there, no effort release valve that when used doesn't contribute you on your path to become a better version of yourself. If you don't believe me, start furiously mastubating several times a day, maintain that schedule for two weeks and after that report here where your productivity went.

          Once you have conquered your inner urges, you will be able to resist all the shit storm that comes from female world: since you cannot be blackmailed by sex, their only power will be useless against you. So what to do when urges are unbearable? Hit the gym, hit the track, do an all nighter improving / creating your new business venture. When you are back in control, remember how it felt like and use that to defeat AA or any other obstacle that stands in front of you and the vagina you deserve to pound.

          But variableLt, I will be nervous and tense and will screw everything up? So what. On to the next one. The point here is to become a man conquering your genetic programming and to leverage the effect of delayed gratification for the greater reward.

          EDIT: formatting

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Its one thing if you just have some rocks to get off.

          Its something else entirely when it becomes so conditioned that you have websites like 4chan where something like 1/4th of the boards are just.... porn. I'll defend its existence but the habits in can instill are something else. I mean, feminists hate it typically because its giving men the keys to the kingdom but at the same time its like you finally get to the castle and discover it's just a cardboard cutout. It may have its uses but it isn't a replacement.

          Its not about what you have, its about how its used.

          [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The No Effort Part is what kills it. It's why online dating is fucking stupid. Stop running from risk and challenge.

          [–]Gabe6678 4 points5 points  (4 children)

          I completely quit porn, started about 35 days ago. I don't even look at pics or videos with girls in bikinis. I still fap every other day, but have noticed a huge difference.

          No more brain fog. (That cloudy mind feeling).

          Better memory.

          Social interactions are easier and more fluid.

          Better vision.

          More energy.

          Better orgasms.

          [–]Mein_Tarnaccount 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          Bad vision? Brain fog? Memory problems? Did you masturbate by punching yourself in the head?

          [–]2RedPill4LYF 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          If it wasn't for the sexy times, my no fap streak would be enormous by now. I went well beyond 90 days and I felt incredible. Any reader here should challenge themself to go 90 days without masturbation at least once in their lives to experience the difference. The mental clarity, increased energy, and an overall great sense of wellbeing come naturally.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (14 children)

          as part of my 3 month trp progress (if you havent read, check my "top" submitted) I chose to do nofap.

          I tried twice for two weeks and once for a month but it honestly was pretty hard without a community backing you, and when every post on /r/nofap is about all the "girls they'll get" or "testosterone levels" or their romcom success stories of smelling a girl as she walked by and it got pretty fucking depressing.

          so now i jerk off when i want to, which isnt nearly as often. something about having a job and going to school and talking to several beautiful girls a day makes you less depraved.

          my only rule for jerking off is that its got to be at night because if i do it in the morning it'll fuk up my day and make me drowsy and indecisive if i run into a cute girl. this rule fully supports my "always ask for a cute, age relevant, non-busy girl for her number" that i instituted a few weeks ago

          [–]CyberFi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          In regards to /r/NoFap[1] . Believe it or not it was actually an incredibly supportive and understanding community back in 2012 when it was only maybe 8,000 members strong.

          There were a lot of very motivational/self improvement posts that would really inspire. Some were scientific evidence explaining the neurological causes and results of nofap explaining the 'superpowers' in a more realistic light, while others would motivate using thoughtful language, such as the OP.

          Unfortunately, now that it's much more popular it corroded into posts that blow the effets and coincidental results out of proportion and are actually upvoted to the top. Along with 'motivational' memes posted for the sole reason of gaining karma that are so vague they have nothing to do with the struggle of nofap.

          When you browse nofap today it feels like you're surrounded by 13 year old boys showing off how they 'just deleted all their pornz' and 'was about to jack off but read this instead' crap. It's become so pathetic that it makes you think you might as well fap instead of hang around the bunch.

          It's really a shame.

          [–]Mein_Tarnaccount 3 points4 points  (7 children)

          You know what? I'll do whatever the fuck I want. Including jacking off to (dude-less) porn and playing videogames, both preferably on weed.

          Because it's awesome. Yes, even afterwards, because I did what I wanted to do, and it was exactly what I needed at that moment, with no strings attached.

          I don't want a woman that I have to drive home afterwards. Maybe I'll want that again somewhere down the road, but right now I have better things to do. I'm getting my life in order and rewarding myself by having fun without having to put up with girls and their shit. I'm just not in the mood.

          Edit: Jesus Christ. Guys, if you want to use TRP to become completely dependent on women for validation, be my guest. Just don't try shaming me because I don't. It has seriously started to feel like Tumblr in here.

          [–]1Ill_mumble_that 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          I think many of you will find that if you 100% cut out porn from your life, your masturbation habits will naturally balance themselves out.

          Porn is the keystone. Remove it first and foremost. /r/pornfree has helped hugely. Check my submitted history for details.

          [–]DazPatrick 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          Try not masturbating for a week or two. You will notice your sexual urges become much more intensified. This is due to an increase on testosterone. And this can benefit you big time. Your voice becomes deeper. You excrete pheromones that women pick up on subconsciously. And you become more aggressive during sex.

          Save your man juice.

          [–]juanqunt 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          False. Plenty of studies show no significant changes in test levels from no fap. And to make any noticeable gains, you'd have to go over twice the level of high natty test levels. Even something as low as 200mg test per week would be 10 times as effective, and that's a really low cruise dose.

          It's all in the mentality of not taking all this too seriously, nothing to do with the action of fapping itself.

          http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html

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            [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            The more I started having sex the less interested I was in masturbation

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              [–]AchillesOtherLeg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              There is something uniquely depressing about the idea that you should need to buy anything.

              [–]skimdit 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              I currently have a hot gf half my age but still regularly masturbate to home-made porn I made of over a dozen of my ex-girlfriends in the past decade. And one day the pics & videos I've made of my current gf will be another great chapter added to that highly enjoyable catalog. I don't think your criticisms of masturbation or porn apply to me.

              [EDIT] BTW, I also completely reject all this NOFAP bullshit. On rare occasion I will abstain from jerking off for a few days just because I want to blow an unusually huge load on my gf's face (for the camera) and just doing that for a few days causes me to become uncontrollably horny to the point that I eyeball titty fuck every chick I see with remotely any cleavage showing, find myself viewing web porn at work on my phone, hitting on chicks everywhere, and have to constantly fight the urge to grab hot girls asses on the train. It also makes me WAY more aggressive and prone to violent confrontation with men who get on my nerves much more quickly than normal. NOFAP = Real bad idea! For me at least. For the pathetic basement dwelling beta virgins, perhaps it's totally a different story.

              [–]AchillesOtherLeg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              The definition of an addict is someone who has tried but cannot stop doing something. The only real exceptions are essential life processes.

              I'm gonna come out and say that addiction is always destructive even if the activity wouldnt normally be thought of as a big deal.

              [–]Justin_Boyce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I think you make it sound a lot worse than it is, but I can't help but agree a lot. Porn or not, having willpower these days is a HUGE improvement that anyone can make and controlling urges and as you say, controlling yourself is a huge step forward. Its like anything, too much or bad timing can really fuck you over, thats for sure.

              [–]Drogoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Good post. But I strongly disagree about not fapping to past conquests - that's part of the fun of banging new chicks, creating hot memories. You can have both. I have about 30 gigs of homemade porn I've made with girlfriends over the years and every now and then I get extremely satisfying pleasure from looking through it, and not a shred of guilt or shame when I squirt my load all over myself and images of me on screen fucking my hot ex's ass play in front of me. It doesn't keep me "stuck in the past", I'm constantly working on my career and out seeking on new peak experiences - with women and in other arenas.

              I suggest to everyone to moderate your fapping - keep to it once a week or every two weeks.

              [–]markasstrick123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I think it's lame to lose your seed that much. If you're gonna be losing it you better be losing to a girl and not a fuckin internet screen and your hand. Save the testosterone for girls and the weight room.

              [–]markasstrick123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I feel like not masturbating does really help you in life. I spent my entire teens jerking it multiple times a day. I had no frame, no presence, no attraction. Seriously I'd get friendzoned left and right.

              Whenever I stopped all of a sudden girls would compliment me, flirt with me, touch me without me really making an effort. Just the other day some older woman was trying to make me vote but I lied and said I didn't have identification. Then she randomly said, "you look so mature." then she winked at me.

              Then I was waiting for the train and this extremely attractive black girl kept eyeballing me, including her friends. These things never happen when I masturbate. It's like women can smell the testosterone and they think 'yeah that's a real man right there.'

              I do laugh at guys at nofap thinking they have superpowers when really they are just living for the first time. Living your teen years not having any girl sexually attracted to you robs you of your self confidence. Then finally being seen as the opposite to a good number of attractive girls... can't even put it into words.

              That being said, some guys can get away with it. Some can't. I know for a fact I feel better in every way possible (no placebo) when I don't do it. What made me attractive when I quit was no more oily skin (no acne), increased body mass, and increased testosterone (being calm and aloof, chicks love this because they feel safe around you, like a child around an adult).

              If anyone has issues in any way, give nofap a shot.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              I feel much better when in complete abstinence than "moderation". Porn/Masturbation/Orgasm are drugs by the way; complete abstinence from these drugs empowers your mind.

              [–]TheeRyanGrey[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              You've missed my entire point my friend.

              It's about moderation. Abstaining is just as bad as always giving in. Control and moderation.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Somethings are too addictive to be moderated; masturbation/porn/orgasm can be compared to heavy drugs such as meth/heroine in this regard.