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[–]Kdawg1033 78 points79 points  (3 children)

Outstanding post. Great point and even better examples for practical application. Look forward to more posts from you.

[–]brandor77[S] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Thanks, I appreciate the compliment!

[–]ThorIbanez 0 points1 point  (1 child)

HEY man this was awesome. a fella in my new office was trying to give a massive gift to everyone today, and I felt compelled to engage him. I didn't cause I'm new and don't want to start anything up. But now I'm armed with a better tactic for tomorrow. Thank you.

[–]New_Horiz0ns 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I don't think that's what he meant.

OP is talking about not letting your frame get pulled into theirs by being reactionary.

What you did is to allow shitty behavior/ignore it. Call out shitty behavior when it affects you.

[–]nosesandsight 48 points49 points  (5 children)

You all missing the point of this mans essay. It ain't about women, or fuckability, or any of that high school shit; it's about passively accepting other people interpretation of reality. All through our lives people measure our worth through incremental compliance tests. Not just women, but your boss, your friends, your family, they all want you to surrender your frame and identity and give in to their demands.

For men, these acts of surrender are a slow silent death. Your inherent self valuation comes from your capacity to resist these acts of 'micro-aggression'. But we have been trained to be compliant by a culture that abhors everything masculine. It's about learning to say NO within ourselves first and foremost.

[–]MarriedRP 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Be willing to walk away. I can't believe how empowering this is. Be willing to walk away from anything, or you are a slave to it. Do not be a slave.

I'm still swallowing the pill, but as I realize the times in my life that were best, it was when I was willing to walk. Sometimes I did. Sometimes I landed on my feet running, sometimes I landed in a pothole of shit. But dammit, I'm still here fighting. And it feels great.

[–]a_nus 32 points33 points  (2 children)

In our daily lives we are surrounded by people who try to manipulate us by activating our anxiety.

It’s not about fighting back – it’s about refusing to engage at all.

I have a male friend who's an active supporter of feminism. Needless to say he's BP as fuck (low confidence, unemployed, college dropout, never had a girl in his life, etc.) Every time I say something "sexist" he would start a huge argument. It usually started as a civil debate, to which I followed along. But slowly he would escalate to the point of resorting to pure ad hominem and not even making logical sense anymore. I used to always get sucked into his angry frame, and we'd argue sometimes for hours.

After I became more introspective, it became clear he was never interested in debating or listening to each other's points, but was only interested in having an emotional battle. By letting myself get angry, he was "winning" every time. He was effectively in control of my emotions.

Once I truly understood what was going on, it was really fucking easy to shut him down. Next time he tried to argue using pure emotion, I didn't react. He called me a pussy and a dumbass, followed by a waterfall of insults in an attempt to rile me up. The only thing I said was "Just letting you know I'm not mad at you, but you're not providing anything of value to the discussion" and left.

His BP hamster went wild, and I received insult after insult for days through texts and FB messages (damn, now that I'm typing this I realize how much his behavior resembles that of crazy women). All ignored. He eventually apologized, and told me he was wrong in his way of approaching our differences. I honestly never got angry at him. I just realized I didn't have the time and energy to get angry simply because someone else was angry at me. It doesn't mean you necessarily have to hold back your thoughts. As the short story OP posted shows, Buddha spoke his thoughts in a rational manner without getting sucked into the other person's frame.

Most people, not only women, rely purely on emotions during an argument. Logic and facts don't matter. If they're angry, they need you to be angry too. If they're worried, you better be worried as well. It's their way of gaining control over you. Understanding this has helped me tremendously when dealing with people and given me much more control over my emotions.

[–]generic_name 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is really a great story to illustrate something from the Gervais principle:

the depth of any transaction is limited by the depth of the shallower party

a more common adage is "don't argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"

[–]AlphaXpipubs 144 points145 points  (13 children)

“Something nice about me.”

My standard line for anything along these lines...

"On a scale of 1 to 10 you are... fuckable."

and just watch as she tries to figure out if that is a compliment of not...

[–]PlanB_pedofile 93 points94 points  (9 children)

"Say something nice about me"

I like how your tits jiggle when I'm pounding you doggy style.

"Say something nice about me"

Your ass is fun to slap

"Say something nice about me"

You're better at reverse cowgirl than my other ex girlfriends

If she wants somebody to "Say something nice about me" she can post it to Facebook and fish for her 100 compliments.

[–]1redpillbanana 25 points26 points  (0 children)

It reminds me of this old "Sexy Losers" comic (warning - the whole site is seriously NSFW): http://sexylosers.com/017.html

"Oh, Hiroshi, talk dirty to me!"

"Oh, Yuki...I luh luh...I luh luh love...."

"You...love me?"

"No, I love fucking you."

[–]1kick6 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And that, my friends, is a textbook neg. Solid work, maestro.

[–]DirtyNamesGetBlocked -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

"Say something nice about me"

Something nice about me

[–]NikolaTeslaMGTOW 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"A lot of women want to fuck your boyfriend"

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Excellent. I am a newcomer to TRP but this post sums up where TRP blasts a man off to...or at least can blast a man off too if they get it.

Getting sex is awesome. Getting happiness, satisfaction, and control over your life is even better. I hope everyone reads this post.

[–]sheds82 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Awesome post.

This shit of always having to make others needs fulfilled first is crap. I would say do your thing unless it harms others, that's a more witty way of going.

[–]Buinovsky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well put.

Too many will use this mindset as an excuse to be a dick/lazy.

Be yourself as much as you can be without being detrimental to others.

Here's looking at you unemployed go-nowhere societal leeches.

[–]BluepillProfessor 52 points53 points  (13 children)

Athol Kay wrote an entire book on this topic. "Do These Pants Make My Ass Look Fat?"

Proper Response: "Ass, of course I would like some ass." Then kiss her forcefully despite her weakening struggles.

Proper response to say something nice about me? Doesn't matter- just make it sexual and borderline rude so that it objectifies your wife. By all means have a script ready to go.

"Your wet little pussy grips my dick just the way I like it."

"I think it's real nice when you try so hard you choke on my cock."

"Your boobs."

"Your nipples."

"The way you sound when you do that 'oooh' thing."

You get the idea....

[–]ThePantsThief 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Is there any benefit to this method than handling the situation the way OP described?

[–]throwaway131072 11 points12 points  (1 child)

That's what it is. She's trying to make you feel bad so you "say something nice" even though it could never possibly be genuine, so be fucking genuine, like the guy above.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly, avoid answered the question directly or you are fucked.

Why women make better lawyers then men. They seem to naturally be able to ask trick questions where not matter how you answer you are fucked.

[–]SidechainZ 0 points1 point  (7 children)

New to this sub but not new to pua material. What about early on with someone? Won't enough of these offend her enough to end things?

[–]BluepillProfessor 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Enough of being a cocky asshole will definitely get old and many relationships end in 6-12 months after TRP (according to Athol Kay) because guys don't balance the Alpha with enough Beta, lovey dovey stuff.

Early on in the encounter with a woman is the best time to use cocky/arrogant game. Women are absolutely starved for confident, dominant men in this Bluepill society.

However, this is a specific Shit Test and she is practically begging you to assert dominance and put her in her place without hurting her feelings. She is testing to make sure you "get it."

If she gets all butt-hurt over sexualizing al the time it may be time to back off and just STFU. All you have to do is take her in your arms and hold her tightly, laugh in her face while she struggles, and then whisper something sweet in her ear. Comfort test passed.

[–]semondemon24 29 points30 points  (5 children)

I really liked this post. Thanks for taking the time to write it. Edit: I cant tell you how many times my mom has given me a "gift"... I have always felt bad not accepting it. It is the same exact feeling my GF puts on me now too. What I am learning and what you have confirmed: A) dont use logic B) Dont do what they want C) blow them off in a joking/fun manner til they fuck off.

The latest one I had:

GF: babe...do you want me? Am I the only girl in the world you want?

me: babe, you are the only girl I want...to fuck in the ass in the whole wide room right now

[–]brandor77[S] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

It's hard when you've been programmed to believe that this is the way to be happy. My greatest regret is not learning this stuff earlier - but there is no better time than the present to change the course.

[–]iamambience 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I came her(e)* yesterday and I feel like my world is crumbling down around me. In a very refreshing way.

[–]Gigem_longhorns -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I too came her. Very niiice.

[–]Kakistokratic 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I go on redpill every day and get rid of a little bit more of that nasty social programming. We could bitch about how we should have been told from the start, but that's not really our style is it? :P Again. Thanks for a great post.

[–]SneakyTouchy 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I was able to shut this down quick with one of my exes.

"Say something nice about me :D"

"You first :/"

"Ok you're smart and intelligent and handsome" -Thinks I'm satisfied with that..

"OK you're pretty and smart and nice" -She realized how boring that was and how hard it was to do herself. Never did it again.

I eventually left her due to unrelated alcohol abuse issues.

[–]whatnowtrp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

well that escalated quickly

[–]lord-denning 24 points25 points  (1 child)

The feminist harpies that complain about this subreddit should come read posts like these. TRP is about nothing less than men ripping off the blinders that were forced onto from a young age. If enough men start thinking like OP then women might not be able to engage in divorce rape, or ride the cock carousel in their 20s before deciding to "adopt" a provider beta husband they despise, or freely engage in their solipsistic thinking patterns, or have their hands out for free stuff from the govenment...and starting now they won't be able to do any of that shit with those of us that have read the above AND gotten comfortable saying no. Just takes practice gents.

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    [–]Hajimotto 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    "The 'Gift'"=AIDS/HIV in the LGBT community. I was thoroughly confused by the title before I read the post. I would hope you refused AIDS/HIV.

    [–]brandor77[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Well, shit. :) I suppose "package" would be even worse, tho...

    [–]fasterpussycatdie 12 points13 points  (7 children)

    Holy shit I want to kick somebody's ass after reading this. Great read, upvoted.

    [–]lordofthejelly 31 points32 points  (6 children)

    Holy shit I want to kick somebody's ass after reading this.

    Agreed. But as with a lot of TRP posts, mostly my own 10 years ago

    [–]Dousing_Machine 5 points6 points  (5 children)

    If I had a time machine the only thing I would do is visit myself freshman year of highschool to beat my own ass. And give myself the score of the 07-08 Superbowl, for financial reasons

    [–]IsThisNameValid 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    All you really need is Gray's Sports Almanac

    [–]Dousing_Machine 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    That one Superbowl would be more than enough. First one after I turned 18 plus it's the one where the Giants beat the undefeated Patriots

    [–]Mikay55 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Nah man, do the previous super bowl, predict first score is a safety, boom.

    [–]Dousing_Machine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Was 17 during that superbowl (march bday) would have to get a non-minor to place the bet and probably split the winnings. Fuck that

    [–]PolegarVermelho 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Thanks, OP! This is one of the best posts I've ever read on this sub.

    You'll have to accept my gift!

    [–]ejhockey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    "the axiom of the Red Pill is to refuse the “gift” of negative emotion from others"

    I love this.

    [–]leodoestheopposite 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    In TRP parlance, a shit-test is emotionally manipulative behavior, and we are shit-tested constantly - not only by the romantically interesting women in our lives, but by almost everyone we meet. Most people don’t realize what they are doing; they are simply using learned behavior that has often yielded results. So why is this learned behavior so effective?

    This is something that I've been thinking for quite a while. I see people ShitTest-ing everywhere in Business, employees to bosses, customers (have you ever worked in retail?), and it is a problem, a big problem. And this is regardless of the sexes, I remember working on a company where all the 4 Directors reporting to the CEO were male and looking in retrospect it was ShitTesting galore, with enough backstabbing here and there for good measure.

    The True Red Pill philosophy goes above and beyond picking up women, it's about living a life truest to our own desires, I wish someone would put compile and put together examples and strategies on how to recognize, manage, and counteract ShitTesting in business. I for one would gladly buy the book.

    [–]lonestandingone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Nice observations about the shit tests. I catch myself shitesting people constantly, and I hate it. Maybe you could write the book, because you seem to have a good insight into it. At least an article to put to sale on Amazon kindle. :)

    [–]H3lius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is what I've found as well. TRP builds character which will extend into all aspects of life.

    [–]thibit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I've found this to be pretty spot on with holding frame throughout workplace drama by accident.

    [–]JohnGalt316 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    the best compliment you can give a woman is to tell her "you're my girl"

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I was thinking about this yesterday, I use frame against men and women, not to exert power over them but to save myself from what boils down to their covert need for affection which is now either by words or tone, an attack on me. This covert method of asking for affection and validation might be the greatest flaw of humanity, and is certainly not something I claim to be free of. Most of the time I don't want people dragging me down with shit they'll forget about in a couple days or a year. I wish I could look people in the eye and tell them, "Is this really as important as you're making it out to be? We're all going to die someday."

    [–]CitizenKeane 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I REALLY like this post. I feel it encapsulates the essence of what the red pill is without clouding it with sexual rhetoric and theory. If I had to explain to someone what the red pill is all about, I'd show them this post. Great job

    [–]breeezzz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It's posts like these that keep me coming back to TRP. Well done.

    [–]cherrypoptart27 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    10/10 post

    It is there, right at that moment, when you feel that increased sense of guilt, the need to appease and not rock the boat and make that person happy, that you are feeling the withdrawal symptoms of the Blue Pill. Note it. File it. Embrace it. Make it your companion. Then double down on your refusal to do something contrary to your own desires and self-interest.

    Love this paragraph. Very much in line with Ayn Rand's philosophy which I find to be more and more redpill by the day

    [–]Pdr_vzlr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Great post, I'll try to notice that withdrawal syndrome from the blue pill, whenever I feel it, I'll know I'm doing the right thing for ME

    [–]Shinob1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Eye opening post for me sir, do appreciate it!

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    What a great post. Well written. Positive with a real answer to a real issue. You take responsibility for your life. You tell a very interesting story. You express your frustration from the past. You connect it to a nice spiritual (not religious) concept. Well played sir! Hope you post more.

    [–]CauisCosades 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    “By doing this you are like a man who wants to hit another and picks up a burning ember or excrement in his hand and so first burns himself or makes himself stink.” Visuddhimagga IX, 23.

    Ultimately, getting angry won't solve this problem. The only real solution is to not let people emotionally manipulate you. The only thing getting angry accomplishes is raising your cortisol levels. Which is not very healthy. People who try provoke emotional responses like this, though unintentionally, are not only robbing you of your time but your health.

    [–]JohannFriedl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I like that analogy: If someone with shit in their hand tries to shake hands with you, refuse to engage, don't accept their handshake, and don't picked a handful of your own shit to try to match them on their terms. Refuse to comply and they will either clean themselves up and engage with you properly, or will leave you alone to try it on someone else. Either way you win.

    [–]hiphoprising 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    "Say something nice about me"

    "No"

    [–]hepatosplenomegaly 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    There are a million things you can say.

    "You don't sweat as much as most girls your size"

    "That hair color is in style"

    "You have big tits"

    etc

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      [–]Maximus_Sarcasmus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Depending on the girl I think saying "romantic bullshit about your personality that I think you want to hear" would be pretty funny.

      [–]jakethesnake76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The first sign you are being given a “gift” is when your interaction with someone is making you feel compelled to do something you don’t want to. When you find yourself in that situation, take a moment and ask yourself, “Is this what I want to do/say?” If not, refuse to comply. Just say no. It is almost certain that other person will increase the pressure. How dare you not do that thing!

      It is there, right at that moment, when you feel that increased sense of guilt, the need to appease and not rock the boat and make that person happy, that you are feeling the withdrawal symptoms of the Blue Pill. Note it. File it. Embrace it. Make it your companion. Then double down on your refusal to so something contrary to your own desires and self-interest.

      i won't take gifts from many people because of the strings attached, manipulations...Until you kill the nice guy inside you can be free, most gifts come with manipulations attached...Great post thanks

      [–]slurmfactory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Amazing write up. Seriously fantastically written. I need to work on this stuff big time; not letting others EVER affect my moods. So many people will blindside me with random aggressive nonsense and it always takes me by surprise because i am usually laid back... Great stuff. Id love to hear more. Ps the too comments are suspect.

      [–]let_terror_reign 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This is the essence of holding frame. Brilliant post, well written. Never thought if it this way but fits in seamlessly

      [–]dont_ever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      'Being an independent man' sound like the thesis of this agreeable post. I like it and I live this shit.

      [–]CrackpotPatriot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      My best friends calls this behavior 'symptoms of shit' -everybody has shit, and it's symptomatic; be careful to watch for symptoms of shit lest you find yourself mired in someone else's shit!

      [–]salil_707 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Thank you for writing this. I've always wondered why saying no was so difficult, yet so powerful.

      [–]floppymammarygland 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You're very close to objectivism with this.

      [–]MajorStyles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Love it!

      Your post also brings up what few men want to accept - that learning game continues on into their marriages. They believe that because they put a ring on her finger, that her biological predispositions have now been altered. Bullshit. A horse is a horse. A cow is a cow, and so on.

      You have to have the courage and wisdom to tame her. Also, she must have the ability/potential to be tamed.

      [–]aciliusoperatorx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Well that was the nuclear post. You just described the majority of my life. I've been changing it but this just helps be progress even more.

      [–]Johnny_Shades 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Wow... truly good stuff man. I look forward to seeing more posts out of you.

      [–]StarkAtheist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      BEST THING I'VE READ ON TRP.

      EVER.

      Thanks for summing up months of what I've read on here.

      So much of TRP applies not only to romantic relationships with women, but also with family, friends, and co-workers as well.

      Codependent No More, brother..... ROCK ON!!

      [–]Theopaulson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This concept has given me a shitton of freedom. As a proper blue pill, I was allowing the emotions, actions, and feelings of others to dictate my own. Once I slowed down the process- damn- my happiness, energy, calm, etc skyrocketed. It is now my fault that those around me are _______, I can maintain frame and live a life of freedom. Lovely.

      [–]kitzdeathrow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You basically just summed up my life motto: Eschew Negativity. Great post.

      [–]1rife_omeqa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      One of the best posts I've seen on here in a while. Excellent distillation of a phenomenon that can be hard to articulate and that has plagued almost all men at some point in their life.

      It's also one of the most understandable guides to frame control I've ever read.

      I appreciate posts like this for far more than the sexual strategy some others in this thread are focusing on. Sexual strategy is great but TRP and frame control is about far more than getting your dick wet. It's nice to see an important topic discussed in a broader frame. Bravo.

      [–]Thecuriouswin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I think this is an important post, because it points to what imho are the most powerful moves in the "end-game" of red pill.

      Although my journey started because of a my frustration to understand contemporary gender dynamics, the following red pill axioms have become a great "gift" to me, improving the overall quality of my life.

      Which are:

      1. Your frame is your reality.
      2. If you work hard to own and mold your frame, you can dramatically redefine the way you experience life.

      [–]seattleron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Very good point. It's basically the same thing little kids are told by their mother's about bullies: "ignore them and they'll leave you alone."

      Sometimes bullies need punched in the mouth, though, but in your examples ignoring is absolutely the correct inaction.

      [–]1favours_of_the_moon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      "You suck a good dick, bitch."

      [–]SOwED -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      "Say something nice about me."

      "Your hair looks small."

      [–]sweetjingle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Amazing advice. I certainly need to add this to my daily life. Something I feel was forgotten was forgiving those who do shit over and over. I won't say we all know that guy because I don't know you people, but I know that guy, actually, guys. They are huge douches and assholes, and though you hate them, they will treat you nice later and joke around. Don't buy it. Next day, they are massive dick again. Treat then like the massive piece of shit they are. Way better than bullshit-bluepill "always forgive". By always forgiving, you get stomped on.

      [–]demilitarizdsm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Great post. I also get this shit test but never take it too seriously. I will now. I usually get it when already naked in bed (trapped) but its time to start ignoring it.