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[–]theredpill101 189 points190 points  (23 children)

Disposability gives us freedom. We aren't earmarked for anything at birth. Women know that if they want to have children, they'll have to give up a great deal to create and nurture a child.

Because we are not, we are free to do whatever suits our fancy.

I would much rather be disposable than to have my life dictated to me.

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    [–]harkrank 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    Even in the past a solitary man was not so much threatened by other groups, because there was nothing to be gained by attacking him but still a risk.

    [–]AYearOfDomination 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    "at other points in history, even men were not so mobile."

    Everyone should read these words. We can hop on a plane,train, or bus if we want and completely alter our environment to our advantage. We are afforded a priviledge that our ancestors dreamt about - Then you add in all the opportunity for growth in all the other aspects of our life and we have a recipe for success.

    [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    I would much rather be disposable than to have my life dictated to me.

    "This was freedom. Losing all hope was freedom".

    -Fight Club

    http://youtu.be/TfDVLsBXYcM

    [–]2RedPill4LYF 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Losing all hope is freedom. You're just a man with nothing to lose.

    [–]JablesRadio 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I felt better after reading this.

    [–]ultrasuperthrowaway 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    We just lucky there's no draft for mandatory cannon fodder!

    [–]Ambiguousdude 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Some fight club shit going on over here

    [–]gugulo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I love how many people talk shit about the ideas of that movie.
    They just can't handle the inherent truth of some of the shit they say.

    Too bad /r/shitstatistssay is a play ground for gun-loving libertarians, it could be so much more.

    I love how open minded TRP is becoming. I love reading its posts.
    We have a ground here for some really unique conversations that can't happen anywhere else.

    Half the shit you see on this sub is pretty valid and yet you can't speak easily about this to the common person.

    [–]elruary 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    With more freedom comes less security, and visa versa.

    [–]gugulo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    With more freedom comes less security

    Insecurity comes from fear, not freedom.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Women know that if they want to have children, they'll have to give up a great deal to create and nurture a child.

    Correction, women used to know this. But thanks to feminism in the modern era men are the ones who give up a great deal so that a woman can have children.

    [–]RulerZod 3 points4 points  (6 children)

    They're not sacrificing much these days, single mothers neglect their children while taking massive payouts from men and the government. But ya I get you, I like being a free agent.

    [–]ktappe 18 points19 points  (5 children)

    It's fine in TRP to state things as they are, but let's cut down on the blatant lies. No, not all (or even most) single mothers neglect their children. How do you think lies like this help advance TRP?

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I wouldn't classify it as a blatant lie, just ignoring an Inconvenient Truth. You are correct in that OP ignores how a mother will most always end up caring for her young child more than herself : in a way a man never could.

    This enslaves her in a similar way to how society enslaves men : She will work shitty jobs, marry boring provider Betas, sell herself physically and emotionally, sacrifice health, $, and sometimes even her own life - all for this bratty, constantly-defecating monkey who is a constant drain of resources.

    Remember the most dangerous animal on Earth is not the Male Lion, but female Bear protecting her cubs.

    [–]gugulo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This enslaves her in a similar way to how society enslaves men : She will work shitty jobs, marry boring provider Betas, sell herself physically and emotionally, sacrifice health, $, and sometimes even her own life - all for this bratty, constantly-defecating monkey who is a constant drain of resources.

    That's some pretty out of the box thinking.

    I wonder how far from our instincts we can go before things start falling apart.

    Yes, I believe there can be a made up logic and morality that's superior to that of our natural insticts.

    The thing is that we are lone thinkers in a sea of unthinkers and we are doomed to see it all and not being able to do anything about it.

    [–]untitled1 60 points61 points  (2 children)

    Here's a video by Karen Straughan about male disposability: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA

    Her smirky laugh gets pretty annoying, but there are some good points:

    Society puts men last. In any situation requiring sacrifice, "women and children first" is the rule. Moreover, society puts expects men to put themselves last. Men are supposed to willingly stay behind on the sinking ship and be happy about it.

    That's why stoicism is valued among men. Men are trained from a young age to remain calm and emotionless in any situation - that suffering in silence is a noble thing.

    There's more. Watch the whole thing.

    [–]cntthnko1 58 points59 points  (0 children)

    "We've got to come to some new ideas about life. And I’m not being facetious about abortion, it might be a real issue, it might not, it doesn’t really matter to me because what matters is if you really believe in the sanctity of life then you believe it for people of all ages. That’s what I hate about this fucking child worship syndrome going on around. “SAVE THE CHILDREN! THINK OF THE CHILDREN! THE CHILDREN!” Hey what does that mean? They reach a certain age and they’re off of your fucking “love list”? Fuck your children if that’s the way you feel and fuck you with them. You either love people in general of all ages or you shut the fuck up!"

    — Bill Hicks

    [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

    Thanks for posting that. Karen Straughan is one of the best female voices in the MRM. She's convincing, logical, and factual. Well worth a watch.

    [–]FortunateBum 51 points52 points  (21 children)

    I just want to add something.

    There is a freedom to being "disposable".

    No one gives a fuck so you can do whatever you like. MGTOW. Live on the street. Ride the rails. Doesn't matter. No one will stop you. Do what thou wilt.

    Don't worry about people attempting to shame you. They are merely trying to con you out of whatever resources they think you have. If you tell people you're broke, they will leave you alone. Freedom, my brothers.

    [–]draketton 32 points33 points  (14 children)

    If you tell people you're broke while being sexually attractive, you'll get loads of sex without any expectations of commitment

    [–]ROTHSCHILD_GOON_1913 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    yeah, i'm homeless and live out of my car, and when i tell women that they usually get excited and interested. they think it's dangerous and edgy or something (it's not, it's just pretty low-key).

    it's been a pretty red pill revelation to me. women really do group all men into either the alpha fucks or beta bucks category. i'm a reasonably fit and attractive guy, and since i'm obviously super poor, they automatically put me into the potential alpha fucks category. they honestly just don't seem to care that i'm homeless and unemployed. their biology is telling them that i'm sexually attractive and therefore must have good genes, so they should pursue me despite the fact that i would obviously be a terrible mate.

    i'm sure that if i wasn't physically attractive, women would just treat me like shit or flat out ignore me.

    [–]rotten_eye_joe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    As a man who has spent time unemployed and effectively homeless (sleeping in my car), while also physically unattractive (overweight and unkempt), I can confirm that women did ignore me.

    [–]MickeyRoarick 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    You've obviously forgotten about women 'improving' their man.

    "Yea he realy fit and sooo hawt, but like he just sits around and plays them video games. So I told im he needs to get a real job and start taking some community college classes"

    Watch Don Jon. Alpha 'loser' gets tamed.

    And like another thread asked, when do men hit their wall? I believe it's when they go from the alpha young man who is having fun and partying to suddenly the people in his age group have 401k and mortgages and get treated courteously at any establishment while those alpha guys start looking like fat thugs. This hitting the male wall, makes men realize they can't compete against other dating material and they grow aggressive and possessive over their average girlfriend who could probably swing a stable beta if she left. That's the male wall. Explained just for you.

    [–]Idle_Redditing 4 points5 points  (8 children)

    I need to start telling some women that I'm broke when I'm really not. I can easily act all cool with it and that I don't care because I'm really not broke.

    By some I mean those who aren't out of my league, based on looks alone, when comparing my looks to theirs.

    [–]draketton 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    Flaunting money hurts your chances regardless of the attractiveness difference between you and the woman, or who's on the higher end of it

    Woman sees man as provider -> woman sees sex as a bargaining chip, only to be put on the table in exchange for provision of resources

    If she's attracted to you she's attracted to you, if she's not she's not. Seeing money affects an entirely different part of her brain.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Seeing money affects an entirely different part of her brain.

    Frontal Cortex : Makes long-term decisions using the cool calculus of reason.

    Hypothalmus : Produces androgens; triggers fuck or fight mechanism.

    [–]busior 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I noticed this a while ago too

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    flaunting money can effectively turn any women into a prostitute (although women require a varying amount of wealth displayed for this to happen), this kind of relationship might suit some men who have the cash to spare.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It never hurts your chances. Whether you're spinning plates or pursuing LTR's a man with resources is universally seen as more attractive than one without.

    If your concern is that she's shaping you up as a beta provider, so what? Spin her for a while, let her think that she may one day hit the jackpot. As soon as she stops providing you with value you drop her for the next prospect.

    You should never downplay your wealth, unless you're foolishly looking to get married.

    [–]monsieurhire2 35 points36 points  (2 children)

    "If you tell people you're broke, they will leave you alone."

    Sad but true. I see this all the time with guys who don't have money; they're labeled as creepy, but no woman will come right out and say why.

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      [–]monsieurhire2 28 points29 points  (0 children)

      One of my friends used to do this to girls just to piss them off. They'd ask, "Do you have a girlfriend?" And he'd respond, "Sorry, I can't afford one at the moment, I don't make enough money," and then they'd get mad.

      [–]woonter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Don't worry about people attempting to shame you. They are merely trying to con you out of whatever resources they think you have. If you tell people you're broke, they will leave you alone. Freedom, my brothers.

      There are few deeper truths than this. Look at the members of society with the very least, the homeless, the sick, they are cast aside. You don't even think twice about it, they are seen as sub-human. No one cares when a homeless person dies in the street, everyone cares when a celebrity dies.

      [–]sendrake 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      If you tell people you're broke, they will leave you alone.

      http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/brother-sharp-%E7%8A%80%E5%88%A9%E5%93%A5 Unless you're attractive.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      meanwhile there's a thread on the frontpage of TRP where posters are trying to downplay the value of attractiveness - this can be a rather schizophrenic subreddit at times.

      [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 46 points47 points  (24 children)

      I learned this early in my life. Mom didn't give two shits about me, I was the superfluous kid. Dad only cared that I was around to work on the farm, and to take a beating when he was frustrated. I had nearly everyone in my life holding me back, telling me I am stupid, useless, lazy, and weak. I find that funny because I nearly worked myself to death during my first war.

      Until last year I wondered what it was about me that made so many people indifferent at best, and outright hostile at worst. Now I know. I don't matter to anyone other than myself, except as a wallet or ATM. It explains why in another thread on here there are two people blaming me for the stigma placed on combat veterans, saying I shouldn't have enlisted. Their own fears and cowardice drive them to blame those of us who have none and then pay the price for it. They are too meek and frightened to act, but will spout ignorant shit while anonymous on reddit. So hardcore of them.

      Its the female trait of trying to level the field, lowering the bar, and moving the goal posts so they can feel better about their lack of balls. We are disposable, we learn it early but don't recognize it because its glorified. Its honorable to sacrifice yourself, women and children first. If you point it out they call you weak. If you say anything about mistreatment or prejudice, you're a whiny child needing his hand held. Does it matter I could kill them easily and without any remorse? Not to them, they hide behind laws and the internet, they can be weak and project it on others.

      Don't bother trying to show them the injustice men face daily, because males don't matter. It is what it is, no need to get mad about human nature or try to change it, we aren't feminists.

      [–]MickeyRoarick 9 points10 points  (4 children)

      Gold.

      Male veteran suicide is due to the difference in responses to mental anguish. Woman is having problems? Her whole facebook and society is jumping to provide services and moral support and fight her fight while frothing at the mouth at how difficult it is to struggle with it. Male mental anguish? Uh oh, that guy's a creepy fuck, potential shooter. Wtf is wrong with him, stay away from me. Come back and hang when you've got it sorted out.

      [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      Precisely. I need to man up and do it on my own, if I need help with something no matter how trivial or severe, I am a wimp. If I get angry about something everyone thinks I'm going on a killing spree.

      [–]MickeyRoarick 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Men who have problems are 'unstable', women who have problems, let's be honest, are women.

      [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      There is some profoundness to that statement.

      [–]monsieurhire2 6 points7 points  (15 children)

      Knowing what you do about the military, would your recommend it to your son? I consider myself somewhat fortunate that my dad, who served, and whose father served actually counter-recommended it. I met with a recruiter because I was curious and was made some good offers, but my dad said that were better opportunities out there, and that I didn't need the military to acquire the attributes it was supposed to provide. On the other hand, I do occasionally wonder if I missed out on something, but there is so much pro-military propaganda out there, that it could be an artificial sentiment.

      [–]Idle_Redditing 15 points16 points  (4 children)

      It's bullshit propaganda. The vast majority of people in the military hated it. If you weren't desperate for college money then you didn't miss out on anything.

      EDIT: Or wanting to avoid ending up on the streets.

      [–]monsieurhire2 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      Violence is always glamourized and glorified in the media. It's ridiculous. I still slip back into enjoying war games and films, for example. The fallacy is always that YOU would somehow survive intact, when in fact, the odds are against you. That's the hidden bias. In film, there is always a silent witnesses that never dies, that observes impartially. In games, you are always resurrected to try again in a perpetual Valhalla..

      [–]Idle_Redditing 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      I don't get how people don't get the fact that in the games your character dies a shit ton of times unless you're playing on the easiest settings.

      Real people get chewed up when it's real bullets.

      [–]monsieurhire2 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Most people don't think they'll actually go to war. And if they do join up, they think they probably won't die or get wounded. It's only in combat that reality finally sinks in. Or so I've read. I think a lot of men that get roped into it are essentially children. They have a child's understanding of what it's going to be about. The games play a role in this. I remember it really didn't sink until I had played this multiplayer game for a month, that "Wow, it doesn't matter how much skill I acquire, other people acquire skill too, and luck is just as much a factor."

      [–]stickfiguresk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I've been suicidal for a long time. One thing I recognized when I joined the infantry was that all the other infantrymen had the same look on their face that I always did. We didn't want to die, because we had carreers now, but if it happenned, that'd be fine too.

      [–]UruzganProvince 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      As a veteran (deployed 2011) that ended with a mostly tertiary TBI injury, I would not suggest any man of opportunity to explore the military unless they understood the beast. The military is an institution where the individual is destroyed and reformed. There's a beauty to it however I often describe my service as the best years I regret.

      However in all honesty I miss it, I miss the purpose, the brotherhood et al, however the boredom, the hierarchical social structure, incompetent leadership and overall lack of civil liberties afforded to a serviceman warrant it not the best choice. The discipline / submission to a core goal has however been instrumental in my own personal development post military life and professionally. The wealth of memorable experiences, mean that the military will be a defining foundation of who I am and how I see the world - and i respect that; some of the things deployed soldiers bear witness or do simply cannot be experienced elsewhere. However full disclosure; I got a lot out of the army, but I also put a lot in, I have mates for life, terrible hearing, an education, some mild PTSD symptoms, brilliant memories and my girlfriend informs me occasionally I scream in my sleep.

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        [–]monsieurhire2 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Eh, not all of them. Certainly not the officer and intelligence castes. I think a lot of what appears to be stupidity actually serves someone's policy design.

        [–]sir_wankalot_here 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        He said "men". In the military there are "officers" and "men". Men means like stupid soldier who digs holes.

        Officers don't dig holes they get a soldier to do it for them.

        [–]Idle_Redditing 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        I'm against the wars and used to say it to the faces of veterans and soldiers, blaming them for the horrible things that go on abroad. That was before realizing that most of them are in a system they don't like and only joined because it beat being homeless or working shit, dead-end jobs.

        EDIT: and college money.

        I'll still reserve the lectures for those who believe in the wars, are hardcore about the them and worst of all seem to have liked it.

        [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        If there are any of us who have been there that actually likes it, they have either a religious/racist bent or they are full on psychopath. Kuwait back in 91 I could see a decent enough reason. Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq in 2003, there were no good reasons, just for profit bullshit.

        [–]anonlymouse 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Because outside of your mother, nobody else will.

        Maybe even not that, some mothers only value their sons as ways to screw over their ex.

        [–]NoLongerSisyphus 15 points16 points  (9 children)

        I feel the urge to watch Fight Club.

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

        It's one of those movies that comes across too strong and condescending on the second or third viewing. See also: Into the Wild.

        [–]gugulo 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        Into the wild is one of the strongest philosophical movies ever done with such a soft delivery.
        Its like a strong liquor you only notice a few seconds after you drink it.

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        I can't think of a single philosophical idea there except an Emersonian rejection of materialism that Christopher takes WAY too far and in the course of doing so ruins the lives of his parents needlessly. Fucking narcissistic hipster asshole loser.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        resist the pandering to teenagers and read some philosophy instead.

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          [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

          Fuck Hillary Clinton for that.

          [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          If she gets voted in we have shit ton more of that to think about. She will never value the life of the soldiers she is supposed to lead. I can't believe that we are at a point that people are considering her for leadership.

          [–]sonicdrumm80 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          We're talking about blue pillers who vote her in remember?

          [–]verus_mas 19 points20 points  (15 children)

          CARE ABOUT YOURSELF FIRST. ALWAYS. Because outside of your mother, nobody else will.

          My mother never cared about me... This is why I am going to therapy.

          [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

          Stay strong bro. We're almost all fighting solo in one way or another.

          [–]verus_mas 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Thanks bud. Good thing is that once you get older, you can choose the people you want to be around and have in your life instead of being forced to put up with the craziness you did as a child.

          [–]gugulo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Some people are born with a burden. Gladly you can fight and get rid of yours. I know it's hard. But you can't say it's impossible because it's not something that you were born with. You can change your circumstances.

          [–]Idle_Redditing 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          If you go to a therapist go one then go to one with too many patients. One who gets so much demand because they're actually good at it, and works super hard to meet the demand. They'll actually try to get you to the point where you don't need them anymore.

          Honestly, I have to say that I have no idea how to find one.

          The rest will just try to keep you there as long as possible to keep milking what they see as a cash cow (you).

          Also, watch out for a feminist-influenced belief system. Hardcore feminists and women who just mindlessly follow their program are pervasive in the psychology business. Yes, remember that it's a business and your money is the source of their income.

          [–]FallenHighSchoolJock 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Therapists are mostly blue pill beta incels themselves and most are just quacks out for our money. "Well time's up Bill, we can continue talking about how you need to admit your insecurities to women in order to get over them next week, oh what's that? Oh you can just leave the $200 dollars on the desk right there"

          [–]monsieurhire2 6 points7 points  (7 children)

          GTFO of therapy ASAP. I'm not saying don't do it period, but just recognize that the therapist's interests, because of economics, probably conflict with yours. They probably want to keep you there as long as possible so they can keep getting paid, whether by you, or by the state. This is part of why they'll alwas try to get you to talk about yourself in excruciating detail for hours at a time. It can be a very cushy racket.

          [–]PrinceofSpades 8 points9 points  (2 children)

          I plan on eventually going into therapy, so I guess I'll pipe up and offer the other side of things just briefly.

          Not everyone is doing their job "just for the money." Especially in fields which involve aiding others.

          Therapy is most effective when the patient comes to their own conclusions, and solves their own problems with a helping hand. This is the reason for their seemingly crazy methodology, NOT just to suck your wallet dry and keep you coming back. (Side note: I've legit had a therapist tell me that we were done and that I really no longer needed to see him unless I wanted to be.)

          Additionally, sometimes patients just need someone to talk to, and pay to do so. One person listening can change someone's life.

          Anyways, the main reason why red pill mentality tends to clash a fair bit with therapy as a field has to do with (and I have figured this out the hard way regarding helping friends out in undergrad with problems, etc) the difference between life-coaching and therapy. Most of what is advocated here is life-coaching. I give you the answer, you accept and embrace it, your life begins to improve. I say "go to the gym, it will help improve your life" and you do. This is what, I have found to be true at least, men work best with. However, this can't solve psychological issues or trauma. It can help you think less of them, but not fix them.

          This is where therapeutic approaches arise. Going back to the gym example, I would ask "have you considered going to the gym?" Followed by follow up questions which differ depending on their answer, establishing more about their character in the process. At the end of the day, only you can defeat your own inner demons. Therapy just helps YOU do that.

          I just started life coaching this summer to make some money and the personality I have to present in a future therapist situation and the one I put on now are very different. Both have definite pros and cons though.

          Anyways, try not to go around preaching therapy hate. It really can do things nothing else can for people who aren't super in-tune with themselves and need that extra set of hands to discover what their issues are and how to deal with them properly. I get why it gets a lot of flack (if you don't think you need help, you are flushing money, and sometimes you don't have a choice whether you go or not), but there aren't a great deal of super greedy therapists only in it for $ out there, even if it feels that way. I'd say I'm one who will be on the greedier end of that spectrum, but my future patients' well being still is first priority. Why? Because I'm a man and I understand the importance of hard work and dedication, especially in my future career of choice.

          [–]monsieurhire2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Oh, I know, I've been to therapy. The best therapist I went and saw, the one who actually made a difference, was the the newb who didn't pathologize my issues, and who talked to me like a human being. But he was already wealthy and didn't need the money. And also, he did certain things that seemed to delay the sessions, to drag them out. It's just that I was sensitive to it. I weaned myself off him. I think a lot of what happens in talk therapy can be done through writing, or just straight up talking to oneself. It's just that people aren't trained to do this. It's not good for the economy to make strong, self-reliant people. So instead, what, you pay someone to listen to your problems? I've found that writing about my experiences has proven to be just as effective. Had I been more disciplined in my self-reflection, I would have never have been on a therapist's couch at all.

          [–]PrinceofSpades 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Oh definitely, there is a reason why people preach about keeping a journal / diary / etc.

          However, not everyone is strong-willed enough to do such things, and it is as you said: we aren't trained to, which is really unfortunate.

          [–]verus_mas 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          Therapy is costing me an arm and a leg, but I have been getting a lot out of it. The financials are on the forefront of my mind at all times, and I make sure that when I go in, I have a list of things that I'd like to talk about and discuss, instead of me just rambling for hours on end about shit. I use it for guidance and support towards the self-help initiatives I'm doing for myself, instead of therapy being my primary source for change. I guess you could say therapy is just a plate in the big scheme of things.

          [–]monsieurhire2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Well, if you think it is helping you, that is good. You sound more organized in your approach. The thing you should ask yourself is if you could schedule these therapy sessions with yourself. I mean, rather than pay someone $100 an hour to listen, you could just sit down with a camcorder and talk into, and then listen and take some notes. Or you could keep a journal. You might try this as a method to wean yourself off therapy.

          [–]FallenHighSchoolJock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Exactly, most therapists are like the main character's shrink in GTA 5.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Fuck therapy. Go find yourself elsewhere. Therapy will not help you. I promise.

          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Blanket disapproval of therapy is a bit narrow minded. Some psychological issues can be greatly helped by even mainstream therapeutic techniques.

          [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 13 points14 points  (14 children)

          Side note: how could anyone in their right mind expect women to go to war?

          On a side note to your side note how could anyone think that if women ran the world there would be no more wars. I have had girlfriends start fights between me and other guys just to see us fight. We are next to nothing to women. Our passing from this life means less to them then losing a good pair of shoes. The more leadership positions you see filled by women, the more you will see men's lives being thrown away.

          I think that if there was a woman only world there would be no war. There is no way they could get enough women that could handle the stress of it to actually form an army. Instead they have us to take those bullets for them so that they can get whatever they want accomplished. Women aren't against war, they are against women getting hurt.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Most men have a healthy appreciation of what violence entails. Injury, loss of social status, death. Even if you win a fight, the price you pay could forever dampen your future ability to secure happiness. This knowledge serves as a counterbalance to lashing out in a rage for most men.

          Most women however will lash out at the first spike in emotion. Quick to escalate and keep egging on their target. Scorched earth strategy.

          Only a woman would be able to believe Pyrrhic Victory to be an actual victory in unironic terms.

          [–]wakingslowdiver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          yup and the first thing margareth thatcher did when she came to power....start a war.

          [–]sir_wankalot_here 0 points1 point  (10 children)

          LMFAO. Obviously you do not have experience with Eastern European, Asian and African women. African women are the worst.

          [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 0 points1 point  (9 children)

          What part are you responding to? Are you saying that they make good soldiers or what?

          [–]sir_wankalot_here 2 points3 points  (8 children)

          This comment.

          I think that if there was a woman only world there would be no war. There is no way they could get enough women that could handle the stress of it to actually form an army.

          Women can handle stress just as well if not better then men. But they don't have to, so they don't bother.

          When it comes to murder, if the woman can not find some stupid white knight to do the job for her, they usually do premediatated murder. Men when they murder it is usually emotional and spur of the monent.

          The murder rate by women is probably a lot higher then reported. Usually the resort to slow acting poisons etc. As in the administer a poison over a several month period to mimick sickness. In the process they will take the victim to the hospital, pretend to be looking after him etc.

          That method of murder requires a great deal of planning and ability to handle stress.

          [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 5 points6 points  (7 children)

          Women can handle stress just as well if not better then men

          Lol. I gotta disagree with you on this one. I've heard too many women bitch about simplistic shit. For example how about the woman claiming she got ptsd from reading stuff on the internet? What about women crying that they are forced to carry heavy things and pissed off that all the men around them won't offer help? There's no way in hell women handle stress on an equal ground as men much less a superior one.

          [–]sir_wankalot_here 1 point2 points  (6 children)

          The woman bitching about PTSD is no different then a soldier who spent all of his pension gambling, runs down to VA and spouts some BS and gets more money.

          Soldiers amongst themselves are constantly bitching. When soldiers stop bitching the higherups get worried because they know something is wrong with moral.

          Most of the guys in the combat arms trades are usually the dregs of society. Hillbillies, White trash and niggers. They bitch contantly about how shitty the food is, how crappy the accomadations are etc. The reality is they are eatting better then they ate ever before in their life.

          There's no way in hell women handle stress on an equal ground as men

          Absolute BS, a lot of partisan activity in the past and present was done by women. How do you think partisans operate and get supplies ? It is the women who do this sort of thing. When fighting partisans it is women that have to face the professional soldiers.

          Part of the pussy pass is pretending stupid, weak and shocked.

          [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 2 points3 points  (5 children)

          The woman bitching about PTSD is no different then a soldier who spent all of his pension gambling, runs down to VA and spouts some BS and gets more money.

          Not related at all. One is talking about she deals with stress which is what we are talking about and the other is talking about he deals with finances.

          Also there is no damn way a woman handles stress as well as a man. How many times have ever seen a man break down and cry at work because the workload was too difficult? I've never seen that but I have seen a ton of girls bawl their eyes out about it. I've seen women be unable to handle being called names and feel too stressed out about it. The majority of the stressors of life blow past men because we can deal with it. We are designed to deal with it and claiming that a woman is just as good as us is bullshit. You might as well say that women can out lift us or lead armies better. It's absolutely wrong. Women can't handle stress on the level of a man.

          [–]draketton 12 points13 points  (11 children)

          number of wombs doesn't really matter anymore, as countries can function fine with a birth rate that is surpassed by death rate

          this causes a great deal of friction in society, because a big group of people still live by the principle of male expendability because that's the way things have always been done, and a big group of people aren't having that

          something's got to give

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            [–]gstvtrp 10 points11 points  (2 children)

            The majority of men are always going to lose. It's a losing game, so why play?

            [–]Granny_Whisperer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            It's not like you can choose not to. It would have been nice to know the rules from the get go.

            [–]busior 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            The only option to win in not to play it. Not to play it by their rules.

            [–]sir_wankalot_here 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            So Japan will go back to its traditional society which has polygamy.

            [–]somegetit 15 points16 points  (2 children)

            as countries can function fine with a birth rate that is surpassed by death rate

            That is wrong. Countries with low birth rate will have an ever increasing burden to support an aging population. Social benefits today is spent mostly on the elderly. Some might even say wasted, because billions and and billions of dollars are given each year to people who won't even last to see the end of it.

            the federal government spend $7 on elderly for every $1 it spends on children. If you count state level, the ratio is 2.2:1.

            Bottom line: society with negative birth rate will not be able to sustain itself (unless it's having very strong inward immigration trend).

            In the long run, low rates of fertility are associated with diminished economic growth.

            1. U.S. Birth Rates Hit Record Low in 2011, Approach Europe's Levels
            2. What's Really Behind Europe's Decline? It's The Birth Rates, Stupid,
            3. Three Reasons Japan’s Economic Pain Is Getting Worse
            4. Very Low Fertility Consequences, Causes and Policy Approaches
            5. Why a Falling Birth Rate Is a Big Problem
            6. The Cost of Low Fertility in Europe
            7. Low Birth Rate Has Economic Consequences, Professor Gary Becker Warns
            8. Economic Consequences of Below-Replacement Fertility

            [–]altra_hex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            You're right about the birth/death rate issue being problematic long term. The thing is that a lot of us have a hard time caring about these long term trends. There will be a tipping point, but I'll likely be on my way into the ground before it's reached.

            The other thing is that biotech trends may very well take care of our inability to replace ourselves before that tipping point is reached.

            As far as the debt issue goes, it's looking like that's gonna blow up at some point in most of our lifetimes unless drastic changes are implemented.

            [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            You're absolutely right, number of wombs doesn't matter. My point is, our instincts are still in the stone age; we still give women sex preference; we still consider men disposable. Feminism is the biggest obstacle blocking society from transcending those outdated instincts.

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              [–]tangman 94 points95 points  (20 children)

              Actually you're describing MGTOW which is one of the options under RP.

              Good on ya for not letting women control or manipulate you. That's pretty RP.

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                [–]GetTheLudes420 56 points57 points  (9 children)

                Lots of those post come from newcomers.

                The real focus should be self-improvement and masculine identity.

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

                Is it possible to have a masculine identity at 5'3"

                [–]randarrow 23 points24 points  (3 children)

                Not with an insecure attitude like that. Most martial arts are biased towards smaller men. Their hearts can do more work relative to their exertion, their muscles can lever more, lock more easily, and change faster. Take up martial arts rather than lifting....

                [–]Entrefut 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                Or both... At his size he could lift 2 days a week and practice martial arts the rest of the time. Hit the compound lifts, increasing your back muscles through dead lifts will actually make you taller

                [–]Brandwein 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I am a manly nerd, so what?

                (PS: Self-improvement has many ways, not only bodybuilding; but its a part of it)

                [–]catofillomens 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                You won't really find much, because there isn't much to say. Us MGTOW don't need any sexual strategy. We don't need to discuss how to be alpha. We just want to live for ourselves. That doesn't take a lot of complicated philosophy behind it, or lengthy field reports, which is why we don't generate much interesting content.

                Why do I lurk here then? To remind myself of the cold equation of relationships - that spending time, and maybe money, would get you pussy. Not commitment, not love, because even if unicorns exist there's no way I'm going to delude myself that I'll find one. Well, pussy's nice and all, but I've better things to do with my time if that's the only thing being offered. Maybe that'll change in the future, but I've got plenty of time. No reason I can't go after 20s when I'm 30 or 40. But I sure as hell won't be spending the prime of my life on women.

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                  [–]gstvtrp 6 points7 points  (12 children)

                  There are people in this community who mock incels even if they're going their own way.

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                    [–]1whatsazipper 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                    Only when they put on the holier-than-thou schtick and try to make their deficiency appear like a badge of honor.

                    The seduction guys even have a name for this type of person: average frustrated chump.

                    True to the label, their posts scream of sexual frustration.

                    [–]jjshinobi 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    Tbh, most people on TRP are average frustrated chumps. I directly visit this subreddit when I'm frustrated and want to find something that I can improve on or apply.

                    [–]1whatsazipper 36 points37 points  (10 children)

                    I'm free. Honestly, ejaculating in my hand is the same as ejaculating in a woman's vagina. And guess what? I've transcended the need for relationships or even sexual encounters with the opposite sex. No more pain of separation, no more worries about being accused of rape by a sorority girl, no more jealousy, no more empty yearning for a girl you can't have. I'm actually free.

                    You're hardly convincing.

                    You have sexual desire, and yet you shame other men who actually find effective means of satisfying their sexual desire. You're like a woman complaining; you trash on sexual appetite but you still have one and it's unmet because you want to fuck. If you actually had 'transcended' your desires you wouldn't waste your time talking shit on TRP.

                    No, ejaculating in ones hand is not going to cut it.

                    In fact, I don't even recommend porn or masturbation. They're ultimately wastes of time, not unlike other 'achievement porn' such as video games and other life-draining activities.

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                      [–]caliboo 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                      Two alternatives you've presented, masturbation so you only focus on work / hobbies, or stick your dick in crazy.

                      There's probably a middle ground there.

                      Speaking as someone who tends to throw himself into work resulting in a diminishing set of friends and thus lower sexual opportunities, shit sucks.

                      Eventually work will no longer be satisfying, hobbies and careers will seem a waste of time, and life will seem lonely. You'll wake up everyday and see yourself getting older in the mirror. I find myself here more and more now.

                      Is that what you want?

                      [–]qtyapa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                      You are right about feeling lonely, getting old but the problem is, if you constantly have to game the woman to sustain the relationship then it's not worth having it. Unless, you are a true alpha but even then I doubt if you will have sustainable life lasting relationship.

                      [–]daedius 19 points20 points  (1 child)

                      Theres some men in RP who want LTRs too man. We see time waste of constant chase but want effective relationship strategy

                      [–]BedlamStatesman 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                      Thank you. This guy keeps making wide and sweeping generalizations, that really make me wonder if he's a White Knight trying to fit in on TRP or just someone who rejects the RP.

                      Fact remains, if he's meeting guys that are "they are locked in a vicious cycle of trying to get pussy that engulfs their lives," then by definition, they are not RP. They are slaves to their desires, which puts them into the same category BP/Betas are, who fall prey to their desire to protect women even to their own detriment. They literally cannot help themselves. That's not empowerment, if anything it's slavery by another name, only much more sinister because it is slavery-from-within.

                      Fact remains, just because you focus on getting laid, does not make you RP. TRP is about taking personal responsibility for your biology, your instinctual desires, and knowing how to harness them to best enhance your life. If what makes you happy is an LTR, as you and I seem to share the category, that's fine. If one wants to be a PUA, that's fine too. Neither is necessarily any less RP for their preferences alone.

                      [–]monsieurhire2 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                      Yours is a completely valid path. Many men and women choose to abstain from relationships or even the pursuit of relationships because they find other activities more meaningful.

                      [–]qtyapa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      I agree with your thinking and have been leading that life for few years now! I just didn't know, if anybody else is out there like me. I thought I was a weirdo.

                      [–]triceratraps 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                      Its like when you play World of Warcraft and you only play horde. You are missing out on a whole side of life. There is value in relationship with women as friends or as partners. Of course the problem is when you idealize and forget their nature. Right now you sound very sour grapes. Like you couldn't get laid or form relationships so you "transcended" the need for them. Sounds more like giving up

                      [–]ktappe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      We could just as well claim any activity you undertake for pleasure is just a "waste of time" too. I don't see how one is any more superior than another; it's all just opinion, right?

                      [–]draketton 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                      Relying on money as a crutch is the sign of a terrible PUA. Time expenditure is a real big opportunity cost though, no doubt about that.

                      [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (17 children)

                      Fuck this faggot and his high-horse mentality.

                      Jacking off in your hand once per day isn't something to aspire to. You are, by definition, a wanker. Masturbating is not a substitute for having sexual intercourse and training your mind to believe otherwise isn't exactly healthy.

                      I agree that aspiring for greatness is the ultimate goal. But women can become a great secondary goal IF you have the other parts of your life fully worked out.

                      Be healthy > Generate wealth > Have sex with beautiful women. We can choose to focus on these pursuits separately or at the same time.

                      [–]circlhat 8 points9 points  (7 children)

                      you crave sex

                      Yes, otherwise I would be a homosexual, I suppose too crave it

                      that you seem weak, pathetic, and desperate.

                      Demonetization of male sexuality ,

                      the power that comes from dominating women in relationships and in one-night stands

                      Feminist imperative in which you completely victimize the female for her own preference in choices.

                      Honestly, ejaculating in my hand is the same as ejaculating in a woman's vagina.

                      Good for you, keep doing that, but having someone you love and care about is a million times better to me.

                      he income that I earn stays in my wallet. No one can divorce me and take half of my assets.

                      having someone to share them with and help you gain assets as a team is far more productive

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                        [–]rpkarma 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        Yeah. So, don't let her? Don't get married, don't live with her. If she doesn't like that, then buh bye! That's exactly the relationship I currently have.

                        [–]imapootisbird 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        All relationships don't end like that, and that's not what love and marriage is about, either.

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                          [–]qtyapa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Too many men value sex too much.

                          Truer words have never been spoken!

                          [–]Granny_Whisperer 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                          That's just like your opinion man.

                          [–]Stevieb1972 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          Up vote for you, dude. That comment really tied the room together...

                          [–]Tombstone31 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          You describe sex as a more or less meaningless pursuit. In it's place, you suggest pursuing a career/money. What makes those more worthwhile? At least with sex, there's a biological urge, an evolutionary need. But if you have a roof over your head and food on your plate, what do you need a job for?

                          We're all slaves to something. It's good that you took a step back and made a reasoned decision, instead of letting others dictate it to you. In my view, though, you bet on the wrong horse.

                          [–]hakett 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          I just want to say good for you for 1) finding happiness and 2) speaking out against a prevailing attitude here. I too think many redpillers focus on sex way too much. It's paradoxical that they'll talk about how harmful being obsessed with women is, yet still judge themselves by what women think of them (in how much pussy they get).

                          [–]epitomeofdecadence 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                          A Swiss prostitute.. That's a fucking first. Try their cheese. That'll go well with your bitter and inept taste buds.

                          You're rambling and embarrassing yourself. Get your shit together.

                          [–]m1serablist 3 points4 points  (17 children)

                          you take yourself too serious with all that "very existence" talk. happy to know that you are happy though.

                          [–]Granny_Whisperer 14 points15 points  (16 children)

                          Did that rant read like something a happy man would have written? I dunno man.

                          [–]1whatsazipper 11 points12 points  (14 children)

                          Did that rant read like something a happy man would have written?

                          Not at all. I'm surprised it's upvoted so heavily on TRP. It's a post by an omega shaming men for pursuing sex on a forum that discusses sexual strategy.

                          At some point "giving up" became the dominant sexual strategy of this subreddit.

                          [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 11 points12 points  (8 children)

                          There's too many new guys that view the path to sexual satisfaction as too difficult so they hamster it away as "I'm free and you are all slaves!" He comes off as arrogant with nothing to show for it except bitterness and fear. The reason that it is upvoted is because the other people here haven't had enough time to fully digest the pill and go through the cycles and reach acceptance. The bitterness of the pill and the anger stage is where so many of the people spend the most time.

                          Notice how a ton of the endorsed no longer participate because most of them have moved on or get tired of having conversations with the rest of us angry fucks. Anyways, it's not surprising to me that angry self absorbed hamstering gets upvoted anymore.

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                            [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                            I actually agree with you on that. I read in a book a while ago that for every 100 females born there are 110 males born due to the extra chromosome weighing down the sperm. Add to this that women are happier sharing an alpha than having their own boring beta to themselves and it brings that polygamy is a natural human characteristic. This means that there are a lot more men out there that will never find a mate than women.

                            This is partly what sets in our disposability and creates the dynamic that you are talking about. I also realize that having these motivations to fulfill the reason for our creation and being unable to do so creates a very bitter mindset so I understand where a lot of guys are coming from, but I don't believe that it's in their bets interest to remain in an angry phase for their life. It does no good.

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                              [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              Most mgtows I have seen are nowhere near that though. I think most mgtows say they are going their own way only because they are bitter and angry at women and have failed with them so many times.

                              If a man chooses to not be involved with women because they only drag him down then more power to him. If he is out building a powerful life and making the best of himself and sees women's natural tendencies as a hindrance in his life then fine.

                              But what I see in mgtows is nothing but hamstering about making nothing with themselves. I have seen tons of them go on a weird kick about not getting good jobs so that they don't have to pay taxes into a failing society. Hamster pure and simple so that they can feel good about themselves for failing in their career.

                              I've seen them talk about never having a woman because it's too much effort. More hamstering. The good things in life are all about effort and the reason you shouldn't want a woman is because she takes away the good in your life and doesn't add to it.

                              Sadly most of the mgtows I've seen fit into the stay at home all day playing video games, get fat, make as little money as possible, try as little as possible to succeed at anything, and justify it in a way that makes them feel good about themselves.

                              [–]theDarkAngle 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                              I disagree with you because I think simply not playing the game is can also be legitimate acceptance of the red pill.

                              It can be boiled down to an effort/reward calculation, and in my case its not worth it. Not like I couldn't if I tried: I'm often told that Im fairly good looking, and people seem to hold me in high regard for some reason.

                              Its just that for me to cross over into "alpha" territory, I'd have to do a bunch of shit that I hate doing. I dont like working out. I don't like being anything other than the strange witty guy. I don't like social manipulation of any kind.

                              I like writing. I like playing basketball. I like video games and fantasy football and playing my guitar.

                              I'd rather get laid very sporadically or even not at all while doing the things I enjoy, than get laid all the time while doing a bunch of boring shit that makes me feel like Im wasting my life

                              [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                              I get what you are saying but you need to understand that you are hamstering pretty heavily. You are saying that instead of increasing yourself you would rather sit and stay the same. That comes from a justifying mindset and it is really weak. I know that isn't fun to hear but it's the truth. It is the exact same thing as the smoker who refuses to quit or the fatty that keeps saying they prefer their 500 pound body. You have a chance of being the best version of yourself and you are refusing because it's hard. No one can respect you for that.

                              [–]1248goal 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                              I've always thought this is the most powerful mindset.

                              The mind itself can be the slave of the primal neuro-connectivity created by the necessity of natural selection.

                              One day this outdated software will be updated.

                              We can play all we want in the current game. One day the game will change

                              [–]frugal_masturbater 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              The game hasn't changed since existence. If you're hoping for it to change by removing yourself from the gene pool, you're only confirming the game.

                              [–]kukul 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                              *tips fedora*

                              [–]rpkarma 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                              Blah blah blah.

                              Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Look dude, MGTOW is a totally valid strategy. But it's not the only valid strategy, and to think that it is is the height of folly.

                              [–]DoomBot_2000 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                              Simply, absolutely, motivational

                              [–]Anderfail 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                              WWII was not a war about resources so much as it was an ideological war. Yes resources were why Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan invaded but resources were not what drove them to try and dominate the world, it was a pure fanatical belief in their own racial superiority.

                              WWII was probably the most just war in all of recorded history to the point where one side was demonstrably evil while the other side fought for liberty and freedom. Yes The Soviets were not good either, but they were a lesser evil than Nazi Germany.

                              If you had used any scene from a WWI trench warfare situation then that would have been a lot more apt because that was almost entirely a pointless war where millions died and almost nothing was accomplished on either side. WWI is the ultimate war in showing how expendable men are in comparison to women. Thousands died each day as they charged into a literal downpour of artillery and machine gun fire. The odds of a soldier lasting more than a few charges was very low.

                              [–]Audible_Lubrication 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              Not sure if it's true RP philosophy, but here is how my world works:

                              I have always approached the world as a warrior: I will get what I want by besting others to achieve it, and if I fail, it pushes me harder to win the next try. Losing always involves learning new skills and approaches.

                              Women have never been on a pedastal for me, they are just a natural biproduct of success. (For me) this life is about my achievements.

                              You only get one go round - go out and live it to it's fullest or die on your deathbed with regrets. I've lived my life to this code for decades now, and it's not changing until they put me in the ground.

                              Others thoughts on my disposability is their opinion, I really dont't care lol.

                              [–]circlhat 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                              The number of wombs in a tribe represented its most important resource: the capacity for reproduction.

                              That would mean society doesn't care about women and only sees them as reproductive organs which they did for a large part of the world history.

                              Most of the men in that boat will die. Machine gun rounds will pierce their organs. Mortars will blow off a limb, and they'll bleed out. Or they may simply drown in the channel under the weight of their gear.

                              Which is why men were given authority over women and complete respect.

                              You are disposable. Society doesn't care about you. CARE ABOUT YOURSELF FIRST. ALWAYS.

                              This is why men no longer have any authority and no respect, we don't look out for each other,women on the other hand do, thus we have feminism were women have their cake in eat it to.

                              This is not how society naturally operates, but it will continue probably for ever seeing as so many men adopt this macho attitude, usually betas posing as alphas

                              [–]2Axotl 8 points9 points  (7 children)

                              I sharpen my disposable razor on my jeans so they keep getting used.

                              [–]fl3wy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                              CARE ABOUT YOURSELF FIRST. ALWAYS. Because outside of your mother, nobody else will.

                              No woman cares as much for you as your mother. Mothers are awesome. Unfortunately exceptions exist (my heart goes out to everyone on /r/raisedbynarcissists/ ) But generally though, they rock. This one's for you, mom.

                              [–]incraved 5 points6 points  (7 children)

                              The world doesn't give a shit about you if you just exist... and why should it?

                              I would rather be objectified for what I can produce than for my looks. I can make myself more valuable to society but I can't change my looks to have blue eyes and become taller.

                              Have you ever thought about how horrible life would be if you were born an ugly woman?

                              [–]thro_way 9 points10 points  (4 children)

                              Have you ever thought about how horrible life would be if you were born an ugly woman?

                              No more horrible than it is for 90% of men. An ugly woman has the exact same options that most men do.

                              [–]elevul 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                              And all social support that is available to women regardless of their looks.

                              [–]duglock 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                              Bill O'Reilly is kind of a blowhard, but several years ago he wrote a book called "Whose Looking Out for You". It really expounds on the exact same points you are making here.

                              [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              I hate him for his tactics, but I'd probably agree with many of his attitudes. Good for him.

                              [–]EfratBT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              I don't really understand your rage here. Of course "SOCIETY DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU"! society is faceless and is made of billions of people. I'm sure some people do care about you, and if the numbers don't satisfy you, you should try and become a super celebrity or the next leader of the free world.

                              Other than that, pretty much accurate. But to illustrate the male disposable point, I'd pick First Day on The Somme over D-Day.

                              [–]GetShitDone_rly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              sometimes even your mother dont care.

                              [–]Xbitz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              [–]cherrypoptart27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              "You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everyone else, and we are all a part of the same compost pile."--and I'll add "embrace it and make it your bitch".

                              [–]hohamocha 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                              (Side note: how could anyone in their right mind expect women to go to war?)

                              Women can't handle war. Even female combat veterans nowdays say that women shouldn't be in the front lines. If we have another World War, it will be the men fighting again. The War Against Terror is nothing compared to WW2. Nothing.

                              [–]elevul 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              Why can't women handle war in the age of drones?

                              [–]hohamocha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              Because they have periods. And front line troops will always be needed.

                              [–]hakett 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Reminds me of one of Tyler Durden's rants in Fight Club:

                              You are not special. You're not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. We're all part of the same compost heap. We're all singing, all dancing crap of the world.

                              [–]Idle_Redditing 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                              I'd never seen the D-Day scene while realizing that the slaughter was allowed because men are considered disposable and some huge percentage of them were drafted.

                              It's the first time in a long time that I cried while watching a movie.

                              [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                              Oh my god, some of them were drafted. I hadn't even considered that. It makes the clip even more poignant.

                              I cried too, man. First time at this scene. I usually cry at "tell me I'm a good man." But this time it was just seeing the anguish of these guys, and knowing that they're suffering in a vacuum.

                              [–]watersign 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              I hope everyone watches that scene closely. This post isn't about Women or "game'. See those dying soldiers? That's me. That's you. It's your neighbor down the street who was a grade ahead of you. In the future, you won't be getting dropped off on Normandy beach. You'll be fighting for your life once America collapses and turns into a real police state. You'll be fighting to keep yourself out of modern day concentration camps aka FEMA camps. Most of you are debt slaves. Once, we as a society get to a point where the bankers no longer deem you capable of paying off your debts..you too will be grinded into dust.

                              [–]Glyngreen 0 points1 point  (9 children)

                              If there is ever a draft again, women better be 50%.

                              Women in the military is a good thing. Men leaving base for sex is never a good thing.

                              [–]live52 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              And my mother could be jivin' me too.

                              [–]Zaorish9 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              Great post.

                              Also note, for those who are mad: Don't be mad. It's not a universal constant. Ants, arguably a more efficient life form than people, only send old females to war, since they are the most disposable.

                              [–]rotten_eye_joe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              Ants are pretty much all female though. They only even produce males when it's time to expand, and when the males have finished competing for the privilege of mating with the new queen(s), they all die.

                              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              The knowledge of this can be very, very tiring.

                              The constant chase, the fact that we have to be 10x better than them to be considered half as good. The constant onesidedness of game.

                              Time to blitz myself with deca, destroy my sex drive and go MGTOW i think.

                              [–]CptDefB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              SPR came out 16 years ago ('98).

                              That scene was harder to watch now than when I was a kid. As a teenager, I didn't know of all the powers at play in WWII. As an educated adult, that whole thing is almost heartbreaking. They didn't need to be there. They were set up and used by other men who have been controlling things relatively unseen for a good 300 years or so.

                              Brutal...

                              That T.Hanks man... incredible movie.