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[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 82 points83 points  (16 children)

A general rule for shit-tests: A good response isn't really a response. It dismisses her authority to test you.

You just. don't. play.

This can go one of two ways: "My car/money/partner count is none of your business".

OR

something like the above.

Using the latter method, you avoid a confrontation and get points for humour. Both work towards your ends. Win-win.

Basically, shit-tests are a problem. Get creative in your solutions. Handling a woman really can be fun if you make it.

You can always answer on your own terms later.

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    [–]RPL23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    maaan, i know exactly what you're saying. we've all been there. now we know better.

    [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Know what I realized? I think only one girl even asked me. My longest LTR. I don't even remember what I told her. I know she told me over 30 and I don't remember if I even asked her. I might have.

    Hm.

    I think next time a woman asks me I'm going to give the dumbest look I can and say "what's a sex?" I just can't resist absurd reactions to absurd actions.

    [–]Facha669 10 points11 points  (10 children)

    I never give an answer to how many partners. I simply say in a serious tone with a malicious smile that i never give out that info. My reason, which i don't mention either, is because i don't want them to think about the sheer number of people before them. But i like the response above, i might start using it. Thanks.

    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (7 children)

    just say you don't kiss and tell.

    [–]1WishIHadMyOldUsernam 14 points15 points  (3 children)

    "A gentleman does not discuss such things."

    [–]Roshnar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    My general blanket answer is just a smirk followed by "don't worry about it"

    [–]Buchloe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Like... 500, give or take.. three of whom live in your building. I'm going to meet one of them when I'm done with you

    [–]pirateted 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Sometimes the best answer is not to say anything at all. Just lock eyes with her for 5-10 seconds and watch the hamster try to run from the "awkwardness".

    [–]lazypengu1n -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    i felt this post was essentially going a bit more in depth with the premise of amused mastery

    [–]1248goal 75 points76 points  (8 children)

    my ex demanded to know how much money i had when i didnt tell her she got pissed " i told you everything about my finances. Why cant you tell me about yours?

    "I never asked you."

    "I think you should be honest about this with me. I need to know. Given my harsh circumstances I have to know. My parents have no money so I have to get by on my own. When they die we(bros and sister) get nothing. I thought you wouldnt tell me and it hurts (trying to induce me to feel bad."

    THE LEAD UP TO THIS CONVERSATION WAS RIGHT AFTER SHE EXPLAINS WHY HER DAD OWED HER A CORVETTE. SHE SAID SHE DESERVES ONE BECAUSE IT FITS HER PERSONALITY. HER DAD JUST BOUGHT A NEW TRUCK. LYING BITCH.

    THANK YOU RED PILL

    [–]ziggitypumziggitypim 26 points27 points  (0 children)

    A Corvette "fits her personality"?! HAHA That's the funniest fucking hamster I've heard today.

    You handled that situation very well, I definitely learned something from it.

    [–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (3 children)

    THE LEAD UP TO THIS CONVERSATION WAS RIGHT AFTER SHE EXPLAINS WHY HER DAD OWED HER A CORVETTE. SHE SAID SHE DESERVES ONE BECAUSE IT FITS HER PERSONALITY.

    Fast and expensive?

    On a side note, I would literally fuck a corvette.
    

    [–]epic_pig[🍰] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

    On a side note, probably a better ride too.

    [–]HellionessDW 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    On a side note, I would literally fuck a corvette.
    

    This is completely understandable depending on the year of the vette

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      [–]BoTuLoX 29 points30 points  (0 children)

      my ex demanded

      Sounds like you're late to the party.

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        [–]lionseatcake 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Yeah because girls just want to fuck the super serious adult type.

        "Let me tell you about my tie collection and my 401k, honey"

        [–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz[S] 39 points40 points  (16 children)

        Women like fun guys, and fun people aren't always the most mature. Immaturity can win you points if you're funny.

        [–]scum101 125 points126 points  (14 children)

        Maybe... but believe me, never use a line like "lucky vagina", is fucking weird

        [–]jadedspade 24 points25 points  (1 child)

        Yea that was a bit cringe. OP is putting too much effort into RPG like responses. It's like you have a bank of responses to choose from, when instead, deflecting these kinds of shit tests should be more natural. Otherwise, it comes off as trying too hard.

        You shouldn't even really react to these kinds questions, keep frame and pressure flip. Amused mastery is knowing the answer before the question is asked, but your responses shouldn't be so cookie cutter/plug-em in, just shut her down and change the subject. Internalize the pill and you'll know what to say without even thinking about it.

        Great post other than the examples, you even said it yourself OP.

        However, if you casually and bemusedly dismiss her questions and refuse to show your hand, her hamster will not be able to help but to imagine you're holding a royal flush.

        [–]forgetful_storytellr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I think the point was made clear. OP is creating an example to drive the point home. They're not quite shining examples, but they demonstrate the point nonetheless.

        [–]5 Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz[S] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

        It worked for me once, but to each his own.

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              [–]BluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              All depends on context. How about during a make out session and whispering that line in her ear?

              [–]DannyDemotta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              For a shut-in, recluse, Stage 1 MGTOW, maybe. For people out there actually approaching and talking to women, its about the execution. Not perfection.

              [–]pirateted 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Nah, you sound like you got sand up your lucky vagina. ;)

              It really depends on the people and the context, you can say just about the silliest shit with the right frame and it will work fine.

              I've seen a very hyper and funny friend pick up multiple women with "let me touch your butthole, tehehehe". It made the women shocked and appalled but he de-escalated with humor and had their full undivided attention the whole time.This was before I knew of TRP and it seemed like the most insane and awkward shit ever and it fucking worked for him.

              It's rarely about the words you say. Frame and body language are way more important.

              [–]rpkarma 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              Really? Dude, you mustn't hang out with enough women then. It's fun, and silly, and they love it. That's the point.

              [–]2thereticle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              That's because you have no experience with women

              [–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              so immature, something a teenager would say.

              You've just described the majority of women.

              [–]tangman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I was thinking this too. As a general rule, you want to swat down stupid questions anyway, or anything that can derail the topic of conversation.

              But I think some guys will take this to mean never reveal anything about yourself to stay mysterious, which is juvenile and counterproductive. You should appreciate sincere questions because that means she's interested in you.

              [–]monsieurhire2 8 points9 points  (1 child)

              Today, this woman asked me what I did for a living because "I don't really know anything about you." Lol, and that's the most important thing, right?

              Since I have no interest in her, and since she's now part of my social circle of friendzoned women, I told her, since other people in the circle already know. I'm pretty sure she has some interest in me, but I'm not interested in her. I've known her for around 6 months, so I wasn't really perturbed by the question. I'm more irritated by it being the first or second thing that pops out of the woman's mouth.

              A few times, I've said stuff like, "Well, why do you want to know, hmmmmmmmm????" That got the asker all flustered and embarrassed.

              Another time I said something like, "Why? Are you trying to pre-approve me for a credit card or something?" Similar reaction.

              [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              That is a winner. I look forward to using that one day.

              [–]bigredsam 19 points20 points  (7 children)

              A slight problem could be that "pleading the fifth" looks like you don't want to admit low smv traits, if you have high enough value I would think honesty is the best policy. Does mystery give you an advantage that outright high smv does not?

              [–]ogrethebuffoon 44 points45 points  (5 children)

              Tone and body language are important. If you look and sound like you're squirming under the pressure of her questions, even if you deflect, she can peg you as low SMV. What's important is not so much what you say but how you say it. She has to feel like you're relaxed and confident and could walk away from her at any moment.

              That said, building an air of mystery about you is better than telling her you make a lot of money. Let her discover your high SMV from being around you and from your actions, not from laying all your cards down in front of her by being too upfront about your life. What has she done to deserve intimate knowledge of you?

              [–]vajayjay1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              Best comment in here.

              It's not precisely what you say, BUT how you say it. Act confident and show her that you can't be rattled by her shit tests.

              [–]DAT-Z 2 points3 points  (3 children)

              Would understating your qualities with a shit eating grin in an obviously sarcastic tone be a good alternative to playing the mystery man card?

              I feel that this option doesn't reveal your SMV right away and it shows that you are cocky enough to play around about topics she wants you to answer seriously.

              [–]ogrethebuffoon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Yep, that's a great tactic too. Keep switching it up so she never quite knows how you'll answer a question... or if you'll ignore her entirely.

              [–]ryno55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I tell chicks I'm a garbage man. They eat that up because they know I'm hiding something better.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              Mystery can add +1 or +2 to the final value... so if a woman perceives you as a 7 just on looks alone and you are mysterious then she might think of you as an 8 or a 9...

              whereas if you are an 8 or a 9... you really do not want to tip your hand so evading can also work well since high value men are likely evasive in order to avoid dealing with gold diggers and the like.

              [–]TheSandmanECW 24 points25 points  (7 children)

              "you could be the lucky vagina number who wins any of the stuffed animals off the top shelf." What the fuck? LOL dude good luck trying to get a chick with that fucking line.

              [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

              Yeah, I was cringing at those examples. Anyone who really talked like that would be seen as a total prick.

              [–]DannyDemotta 5 points6 points  (4 children)

              By WHO? Where are you guys coming from? Who are you talking to and where?

              Some/many/tons of young (see: not wrinkled) women would respond exactly how you'd want them to at that line. Older/"smarter" women might not, but who the fuck cares about them?

              You guys need to stop scribbling shit into your notebooks and learn that the delivery is 10x more important than the line. Same with telling stories. Same with acting in movies.

              This is art, not science. Its checkers, not chess. Stop overthinking it.

              [–]TheSandmanECW -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

              Dude sorry youre wrong no chick's would ever respond directly to these lines with an urge to fuck you. But you probably are too beta to really understand how a chick thinks man, don't let the majority of this sub who all seem to be dudes living out their lady's man fantasy on reddit fool you dude. Half of the shit on here is whack and would only get a chick to jump out of your car faster. There are much better ways to stay mysterious than calling somebody a "a lucky vagina number".

              [–]DannyDemotta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              The wording is clunky; the sentiment is not.

              I cant tell what your fuckin angle is, dudebro, but you sound like a tool just ruling it out outright. This shit isnt 100/0. Keeping it real, theres not ANY line guaranteed to provoke ANY reaction. No matter your delivery or how smooth, all it takes is a phone ringing or someone tapping the girl on the shoulder, and your spontaneous comeback is DOA. Or maybe she's ESL and the vocab word central to your take hasnt been on the test yet.

              Im not going to get in a stupid fucking "who's the beta" pissing match with you. Stop acting like a 15 year old.

              [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Jeebus, you are thick. Sorry, but: in comedy it's called reading the room, your audience.

              This is not just comedy, it's everything exuded of your persona, and audience of 1 (or... maybe more).

              It was just an example. Holy shit, you read into this so explicitly rather than abstractly.

              That's their realm, not ours. Here thar be dragons, over there thar be hamsters.

              [–]lionseatcake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Seriously? That kind of stupid shit works perfect. The point was it doesn't matter WHAT you say, as long as you're maintaining frame and you have her hooked. You can say things that don't even make sense or pertain to the question, you can completely ignore her, you can stand on your head and whistle the theme song from Doug. It doesn't matter what you say if you're in control of the situation and you have her hooked.

              [–]Overkillengine 6 points7 points  (2 children)

              Basically, learn to use power talk.

              Gee, it's almost like I have a point when I rant at people that how they relay their message is almost if not more important than what their message is.

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                [–]Overkillengine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Any specific examples would depend on context/audience. The hard unpleasant answer is you'll have to learn to evaluate both on the fly and respond accordingly.

                Basically anything that gets the desired response, regardless of content. And yes, deflecting with humor is one method of employing it.

                [–]FortunateBum 35 points36 points  (43 children)

                Wow, great post.

                I'd like to add that being honest and sincere with her about anything automatically lowers you SMV because now you've revealed that she's entitled to your honesty and sincerity.

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                  [–]reddishman 19 points20 points  (0 children)

                  Try telling that to the hamster

                  [–]My_Dog_Jax 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  I think it's less about honesty, and more about applying truth/vagueness at the right time. Never feel the need to answer a question, but sometimes answering can be powerful. This may sound like a weird example, but imagine your mother was asking you the question. How would you respond? I certainly wouldn't tell her my partner count, but I would tell her about my surf trip to Indonesia. I wouldn't tell her I fucked 7 locals, but that I loved the beaches and the women were beautiful etc... Just an example.

                  [–]razometer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  A privilege that should be given extremely sparingly. Why be honest with a plate? Unless you want an LTR, there's no reason to be.

                  [–]FortunateBum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  If you know what information raises your SMV, then you say that to women. So yeah, "I'm late because I was masturbating" isn't information you want to be forthcoming with.

                  That said, I think you always have to frame stuff along high-SMV lines. So for instance, "I was with another girl, I don't think I have a chance with her, so you don't have to worry." is not going to help you. "I was with this stripper friend of mine." is going to help you. Both the truth, but you're framing one for high SMV. That said, being honest about your feelings, especially anxiety is useless.

                  [–]rpkarma -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                  You're welcome to believe that... You're wrong, but you're welcome to. There are situations where it'll work in your favour, but those exceptions merely prove the rule here.

                  [–]Career-Criminal 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                  Damn you are jaded. It is possible to be honest and sincere while not allowing her to "interview" you. Really.

                  [–]FortunateBum -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                  while not allowing her to "interview" you

                  Maybe you'd care to explain what you mean by this? I know I'm lost.

                  [–]Career-Criminal 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  Interviewing is what women do when they are evaluating your ability to be a material provider. Things like how much money you make, your housing, family obligations, partner count, etc. It's a pretty tasteless thing to do when first meeting someone. That's why you do not answer these questions. But you can still be sincere and honest in the process.

                  [–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (15 children)

                  I'm new to TRP, but don't all of you guys realize that all of this subterfuge and manipulation comes from your insecurity and sense of weakness?

                  A true "alpha" doesn't give a shit about learning how to manipulate the opposite sex. A true alpha really does act honestly and true to his own nature because the only person he's trying to "impress" is himself.

                  There is some deep insight on this sub but also so much bullshit and insecurity masquerading as alpha-ness...

                  At least it's not boring me so far. Cheers.

                  [–]harkrank 5 points6 points  (5 children)

                  "True alpha this, true alpha that". Where have you gotten this notion that a "true alpha" has to be an honest or honorable person. Many if not most "true alphas" are manipulative and malicious if not outright evil persons. The biggest alphas of history were merciless warlords and serial rapists.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                  Maliciousness and manipulation are based on fear and insecurity. I'm holding out a higher level of what it means to be truly alpha.

                  [–]harkrank -1 points0 points  (3 children)

                  Why don't you use the word hero then? "Alpha" is accepted to mean the top sexually attractive man in the situation, no matter his other attributes. Why do you want to twist and turn the meaning of this word? You might have the opinion that the benevolent and fair leader should have the highest sexual rank, but this has nothing to do with reality.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  "Alpha" has more meanings than just the biggest asshole who gets to fuck the most females, but I will drop the term and use these words instead: "a happy and mature human being." That is what I'm describing.

                  Look, I've trodden this path you're all on. I've transformed myself from zero to a hero and fucked the hottest chicks in town. Where did it get me? Nowhere. It ultimately didn't mean anything because it didn't change me.

                  They say money can't buy you happiness but you have to be rich to know it. Well getting the hottest women and controlling them doesn't buy you happiness either but you guys don't seem to know that yet because you still think if you can just figure out how to lie, control and manipulate in perfect order you will finally find what you are really looking for.... This is just pitiful...

                  You're wounded, incomplete, angry males, still trying to control your mother's tits, thinking that will buy you happiness. It won't!

                  Only being the best version of yourself will satisfy you - not because you will score more pussy and not get emotionally hurt in the process, but because that's what you deserve from yourself.

                  I'm trying to offer a wise counterpoint to the rampant lack of wisdom here, but all I'm getting is angry little boys defending their angry fundamentalist religion. So that is getting boring for me... I will probably unsubscribe in the next couple of days and honestly it will be you guy's loss... You guys desperately need to hear what I have to say. You just don't know it yet. That means you're not ready. You need more time in the oven...

                  Good luck. I honestly wish you well even though so many of you have come across like assholes.

                  [–]harkrank -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

                  Just look at how many insults and how much projection there is in your comment. If you have a wise counterpoint it will fall on deaf ears. I think you're struggling with your mind wether to accept some points generally proposed here as true or not and this is a way of working through it. And that's cool.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Yes I've included insults. My first comment had none, but every response I received was harshly insulting and extremely rude in tone, except for one. It does piss me off to be spoken to like that and I will push back with equal force by verbally skewering attackers if I feel like doing so. I don't have a problem with it. If you pull the tail you might get the claws...

                  And yes I said in my very first comment that I do agree with some of the insights presented in this community. Unfortunately the larger philosophical framework holding these insights is heavily distorted and ultimately unhealthy, IMO and experience.

                  Cheers.

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                    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

                    The fact that you're being so rude means either a) you're an asshole, or b) you're defensive because my comment struck a nerve which is likely to happen only if I have a good point.

                    Of course you could be both: a defensive asshole. I'm guessing this one.

                    Secondly, yes this a DISCUSSION where people share their opinions. And guess what? That is why I joined the discussion and shared my opinion here.

                    Lastly I'm new to TRP subreddit but I'm not new to the pickup scene or to the concept of alpha or to the deep and longtime study of human nature and human relating. So I will continue to comment here as long as I feel I have something to contribute (unless I am banned of course.) And no, don't expect everything I say to be conformist to the culture here. A real aplpha welcomes differences of opinion because he can grow and learn from them, even if he disagrees .

                    Tl, dr: Grow up dude.

                    [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                    Literally you described 1) pure beta and 2) what looks like a lack of experience with women whatsoever.

                    Subterfuge is not weakness. Giving the woman the information she wants is weakness: it can be used against you but never to your benefit. Hence the reason not to give it.

                    Such as: how much money do I make? Every answer is the wrong answer & the question itself should not be asked but she apparently doesn't know any better.

                    If you answer the question in any whatsoever with a number you are beta, not alpha. Alphas do not answer that question to a fresh, new woman in his face. Period.

                    You’re not “holding out” for a “higher” version of alpha. This is the higher version. Your entire scale of rating higher vs lower is opposite to reality. Higher-alpha is higher-gains in getting the girl, getting goals met, exposing no vulnerability, out-competing other males. Period. Open honesty is pretty much the opposite of this, lower, non-alpha, heading right to Beta city, 99.99% of the time.

                    “Maliciousness and manipulation are based on fear and insecurity”

                    Absolutely not. Maliciousness, manipulation & successfully exploiting others are a position of ultimate power & are in fact the act of creating (personal, empire) security.

                    Insecurity is refusal to do this, to take the gains, to use the power.

                    Insecurity is the outcome. Not an emotion, an outcome. Not a moral basis, but a measured fact.

                    "Tl, dr: Grow up dude"

                    1) being a rude asshole generally shows being alpha (not always but mostly)

                    2) your perception of "rudeness" is a reflection of your own refusal to accept reality for what it is. Any person, any time, anywhere could show you how the world really is but your own refusal means you insist everything is "rude" that you don't already agree with.

                    You're new to TRP. Are you new to the ENTIRE Internets as well, by chance?

                    "Secondly, yes this a DISCUSSION where people share their opinions"

                    Not really. This is a place where people share experiences & add value. When you don't add value, you STFU. This isn't like the rest of the Internets.

                    Refusing to add stream-of-bullshit is a quality to be respected. Mouthing off every emotion & lack-of-experience-opinion you can think of is not welcome. Why should it be? It adds nothing. Adding value is mandatory, pretty much. I'm pushing it just by putting this many words in your direction. You shouldn't need to be told if you're an actual adult.

                    Just TRY what works. Try YOUR opposite way too & see what happens. The rest of us do. We know what works from EXPERIENCE.

                    [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

                    Read your first two sentences. I wish upon you a good therapist, eventually some emotional maturity, and a good evening.

                    [–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    1) There's no such thing as a good therapist 2) if wishes were fishes we'd all enjoy sushi.

                    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                    Have a good evening. I wish you a lifetime of happiness. Cheers.

                    [–]FortunateBum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I'm new to TRP, but don't all of you guys realize that all of this subterfuge and manipulation comes from your insecurity and sense of weakness?

                    Have fun arguing with your straw men. There's a difference between lying and not expressing every single thought that runs through your head to a woman you have fucked or want to fuck. If you don't know the difference, then I can't help you.

                    A true "alpha" doesn't give a shit about learning how to manipulate the opposite sex.

                    Ha, this again. Define "manipulate". Protip: everyone has a different definition. Protip 2: the word is meaningless. I think we should learn how to flamboozaleon women.

                    [–]whyalwaysm3 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

                    ^ haha that's exactly how I feel. Anytime I call out this ridiculous alpha advice I get down voted like you are getting down voted right now. There is some decent advice here, but a lot of it is crazy ridiculous manipulation tactics that I just can't help but laugh when I'm reading.

                    I would love to meet some of these dudes in real life so I can laugh in their face.

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Agreed. I hear a lot of frightened, bitter, little boys on here...

                    [–]MacNulty -3 points-2 points  (15 children)

                    I'd like to add that being honest and sincere with her about anything automatically lowers you SMV

                    Seems like you actually think it's best to be dishonest with women. That's a terrible mindset to come from. A men can be honest and sincere about not wanting to reveal all his cards and making women, or people in general, earn his trust. Ultimately he knows it's for the best for both of them.

                    The concept of SMV is fine but if you're trying to raise yours at the expense of your virtues like being truthful, which I hope you have, you're becoming the enemy you try to fight. If you really want to compromise your own belief system just to get sex, well then of course that's your choice but your world will be devoid of meaningful relationships. I don't like seeing this sub heading that direction.

                    [–]drrtyfrrnr 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                    Verdict: too much Mark Manson.

                    [–]MacNulty 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                    Huh? I don't even know who this guy is.

                    From the downvotes I'm receiving I gather that the majority here is still plugged in and would rather continue to reinforce their misogynistic beliefs that women are inherently bad and that they should cheat the status quo, instead of realizing the truth: that it's all just social conditioning and we should find ways to become better people who can connect with each other despite The Matrix we live in.

                    This is evident by posts like this - it might as well have been titled "discover these 10 ways to deal with shit tests". It's an entertaining read but it won't get you anywhere in life if you take it at face value.

                    It was much different here when I first subbed TRP long ago. I remember reading posts about how to become a real man who does not have to "deal" with shit tests because he knows they're just a way a women checks his integrity. He accepts the way things have to be and is not angry at them, does not try to fight them.

                    When I first subscribed here, there were no specific advice how to deal with shit tests with canned-fucking-lines.

                    Now I'm starting to think TRP is being overwhelmed by "bluepillers" who swung the pendulum too hard after they found about this place. It gave them a sense of refuge, a community of people with similar experiences who bash women without compassion. Such a shame to see another Matrix unconsciously being built. What you gonna do? I have nothing but one upvote or downvote to give and they're greater in numbers. Peace

                    [–]insickness 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                    instead of realizing the truth: that it's all just social conditioning

                    This is one of the biggest lies of gender feminists, that men and women are inherently psychologically the same and just have different bodies. This is a lie. Men and women have inherent behavioral differences and there are a litany of studies that have proved this.

                    When I first subscribed here, there were no specific advice how to deal with shit tests with canned-fucking-lines.

                    So you've never said the same thing to two different people ever in your life?

                    Now I'm starting to think TRP is being overwhelmed by "bluepillers" who swung the pendulum too hard after they found about this place. It gave them a sense of refuge, a community of people with similar experiences who bash women without compassion

                    I agree with you here. Sometimes it's like a like boys on the playground chanting 'Boys are better than girls!' Like they've been fucked over by women so many times that it makes them feel good to say bad shit about women. Although it's possible this is an inevitable first step toward depedestalizing the female gender.

                    [–]MacNulty 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                    This is one of the biggest lies of gender feminists, that men and women are inherently psychologically the same and just have different bodies.

                    If I didn't believe in the differences between genders I wouldn't be here so I think we have a misunderstanding, although I definitely see how my post could have been misunderstood. I shouldn't have simplified it like that at the very beginning.

                    By social conditioning I meant the misogynistic beliefs which are now clearly being held by plenty of people here. Didn't my conclusion, with which you agreed, make it clear? It's sad to see that men are so easily swayed from putting women on a pedestal to downward hating them because it shows how weak their world view is and how susceptible to herd mentality they are. It turns out that both genders should get their shit together, who would have thunk it?

                    I also meant that women are conditioned to be feminists, and that similarly comes from a place of hatred toward men, it's a collective pain from the past, seeking revenge for years of being ridiculed. I don't think they consciously choose to hate them just like people here unconsciously hate women. Ultimately it's like both genders forgot why we're all here and started insulting each other instead of calming down and sitting down to talk. It sounds awfully familiar. Racism? Religion? Anyone?

                    I'm pretty sure both genders would love to be happy, they just don't know how. And TRP, for me, used to be the light at the end of the tunnel because I thought that a group of "cold" strong and decisive men could actually figure some stuff out and serve as an example. But, as I said, it's now becoming a place where weak men reinforce terrible mindsets and look for cheap ways to cheat the system, as opposed to actually become better as humans and integrate their belief system into something that is attractive to the opposite gender.

                    Although it's possible this is an inevitable first step toward depedestalizing the female gender.

                    It's definitely a step in this direction but I'm not entirely sure if it's inevitable or even good. I don't really have any ideas for the solution to this problem but I don't believe that this is the answer. Hatred, in my opinion, breeds even more hatred.

                    So you've never said the same thing to two different people ever in your life?

                    I have. And I don't mind doing that. I'm just butthurt that this subreddit used to be about something more than canned responses, turning you into a man who can come up with his own things to say that would "work" equally well, not stuff some web guru told you to say. Seems like people just can't help organizing into groups and messiahs.

                    [–]insickness 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    Agreed. I stopped coming to this sub regularly for pretty much the same reasons. Destroying the pedestalization of women (including my own) is interesting to me. Constantly trying to show how men are better than women is annoying. It's tiresome to constantly point out that there are confirmation biases in both directions.

                    [–]kindlebluemoon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    I came to the same conclusion but I still like coming here sometimes.

                    These days I think the roosh v forums are better. There's a lot more self improvement advice there, and not as much of the childish girls vs boys playground bullshit you find here.

                    [–]FortunateBum 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    Seems like you actually think it's best to be dishonest with women.

                    Never said that.

                    A men can be honest and sincere about not wanting to reveal all his cards and making women, or people in general, earn his trust.

                    Exactly. So we agree.

                    The concept of SMV is fine but if you're trying to raise yours at the expense of your virtues like being truthful

                    Again, you're arguing with a straw man. Good luck with that.

                    your world will be devoid of meaningful relationships

                    Ha, well go ahead and have all the "meaningful" relationships you want. Whatever that means. No, I choose to have gazoonkalink relationships.

                    [–]MacNulty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Ha, well go ahead and have all the "meaningful" relationships you want. Whatever that means. No, I choose to have gazoonkalink relationships.

                    So you agreed with me and then you felt the need to ridicule me. Why? I think you're taking "agreeing and amplifying" to the wrong place. I wasn't trying to hurt you or your feelings. I'm not testing you or judging you. There is nothing to gain here but insight. I'm an anonymous stranger on the Internet. I might as well exist only in your head.

                    If you ever want to actually ponder whatever meaningful relationship could mean, I'll be here, trying to figure it out. I can only hope that your relationships are not as meaningful as your post, otherwise they might as well be "gazoonkalink".

                    [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                    "at the expense of your virtues like being truthful, which I hope you have"

                    Virtues are relative. Being truthful is a virtue with fellow men. Not men who are strangers. Usually not women either.

                    It doesn't make your life better, doesn't make her life happier & it doesn't get respect from her. Seems you're not getting the point. If she really believes you are being honest she really believes you are unworthy of respect.

                    That's the entire point of the shit-test. If you really don't understand this you actually don't believe shit-tests exist at all.

                    "the truth: that it's all just social conditioning "

                    It's not. It's genetic & hormonal. No social conditioning can cause this nor stop it. Period.

                    "By social conditioning I meant the misogynistic beliefs "

                    I see nothing of the sort here. Misogyny, a word if properly used, is a hatred of women. Preventing male exploitation by women is not misogyny. Exploiting openings women give to better enjoy their company is also not misogyny (also the women are happier when we do this).

                    Women have their goals relative to men, not with men, but for themselves. Men have their own goals too. Just existing, just having those goals, is not misogyny.

                    As for feminism: it is a public social acceptance, a removal of penalties, for bad behaviour. Bad behaviour is going to happen regardless but it happens more, it is more damaging, when it's publicly spoken of as 'good'. Just imagine tomorrow if all bank robbery became legal & encouraged. A lot would change.

                    [–]MacNulty 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                    Virtues are relative. Being truthful is a virtue with fellow men. Not men who are strangers. Usually not women either.

                    You think being truthful won't make your life better and I feel nothing but compassion for you. Why do you feel like it's necessary to lie to strangers? What is it that you have to hide, especially from people who do not know you? Don't answer me. Try to answer to your "hamster". How do I even know that you're honest with me? After all, I'm just a stranger. With your set of beliefs, this discussion becomes pointless.

                    Imagine two men, one that was honest with you from the beginning and the other one that was lying to you until he got to know you. Which one is more trustworthy and more valuable?

                    If you talk about everything in relativity, you will lose track of all the lines you draw to separate good lies from bad lies, bad actions from worse actions, etc. Your relativity will become relative too. I believe it's quite simple, either you want to be a truthful person or not.

                    If she really believes you are being honest she really believes you are unworthy of respect.

                    I'm curious, where do you actually draw the line? When do you stop lying?

                    Misogyny, a word if properly used, is a hatred of women. Preventing male exploitation by women is not misogyny.

                    I think you know that I know what this words means, after all I spoke about hatred in my entire post. So are you really explaining the meaning of misogyny to me, or trying to convince yourself that you're not misogynistic?

                    You are talking to me about meaning of words and actions and I am trying to speak about feelings and motivation behind those actions. Actions themselves are not misogynistic, people are. You can try to prevent male exploitation by being misogynistic and not. It's your choice.

                    Talk about tactics and all you'll know is how to dodge the bullets. Free your mind and when you're ready, you won't be concerned with bullets.

                    It's not. It's genetic & hormonal. No social conditioning can cause this nor stop it. Period.

                    Okay, I admit I lost track of what the argument is about. Let's just drop it. Whatever it is that is genetic or hormonal, it could definitely be argued that it can be overridden. Our emotions, or things like hate and greed have their roots in biology but we evolved consciousness that have the ultimate decision. It's just that most of our decisions are unconscious. Buddhists have believed this for thousands of years and Richard Dawkins writes about it in in his books.

                    As for feminism: it is a public social acceptance, a removal of penalties, for bad behaviour. Bad behaviour is going to happen regardless but it happens more, it is more damaging, when it's publicly spoken of as 'good'.

                    I agree to some extent but feminism is just another tool that is wrongfully used. If men take it too far we will just return to the situation that caused feminism in the first place.

                    [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                    Lying to strangers is like camouflage for animals. It's to survive. Honesty to strangers makes them kill / hurt you.

                    You seem to assume strangers actually are your friends. They are not. Most are your enemy, given any benefit from harming/destroying you. Only the most naive child would not understand this.

                    If I am more truthful I will be stabbed, robbed & dead before I know it. That's the world I live in. That's the world you live in too.

                    What do I have to hide? 1) where my money is 2) where I sleep 3) where I work 4) what I have learned that is very controversial to repeat. If I fail to hide this: I will lose my money, I will lose my place to sleep, I may lose my job, I may lose my life, and most certainly any person can be ostracized for speaking what is highly controversial even if you can prove it is true.

                    Even if I was to repeat what we discuss here in this /r at work I'd be fired on the spot. Period. So that for one is something I must hide for sure.

                    "Which one is more trustworthy and more valuable? " I refuse to do that.

                    I ask "which is a threat to me" of any who are a stranger. I quantify all the possible modes of threat & motivations.

                    To ask your question is to undo the very purpose of being alive in a dangerous world. I refuse to even consider it because it's bad for me to do so. I've done so before. It's been near-death for me every time. The ones who I learn to trust over time I've known 15 to 20 years and it's not a word, not honesty at all which proves it.

                    It's actions. Those actions are shared risk & sacrifice, assistance to survive. Words are meaningless in the face of action.

                    "you will lose track of all the lines you draw to separate good lies from bad lies, bad actions from worse actions"

                    I will never lose track. Never have, never can. Every precise detail is nailed to the inside of my mind as easily as a statue is carved into a mountain wall.

                    "I believe it's quite simple, either you want to be a truthful person or not."

                    Not.

                    I want to be a long-surviving person in strength & that choice excludes honesty of the type you ascribe to.

                    "I'm curious, where do you actually draw the line? When do you stop lying?"

                    She draws the line. You seem not to understand this at all.

                    When you are on the good side of the line relations are good with her. When you are not, relations are gone. She decides and the women's decision is that when you are too honest too soon you are on the wrong side of the honesty-line. The woman decides, she is the gatekeeper of sex and sexual relations (TRP sexual strategy) is actually the primary topic in this /r, isn't it?

                    "convince yourself that you're not misogynistic"

                    I'm not here to convince anyone. I'm flat out stating that no one here, not me or anyone else, is misogynistic for what's been written of TRP strategies. I'm saying that when you assert misogyny you must be wrong, and that means lying or misunderstanding but one of the two is true.

                    "You can try to prevent male exploitation by being misogynistic"

                    No, wrong again. Not by any means can any use of misogyny become a strategy, because it has no strategy, to prevent male exploitation. How can you not get this?

                    That's like saying you can use racism to prevent race exploitation. No, you can't, no one can. It just doesn't work that way. Never could.

                    "Free your mind and when you're ready, you won't be concerned with bullets."

                    That's me. Freed mind, no bullets possible. It's not you. The very words here I give you are that freedom. How can you not see this? The only way you can even be hit by these bullets is by opening avenues for exploitation, like being overly honest or assuming anything that you don't actually measure as fact in the real world, about women, money, strangers, etc. An endless list could be enumerated so the exercise is pointless.

                    "it could definitely be argued that it can be overridden"

                    No it can't. Either you can prove it or you can't. To argue it is wrong-headed. Proof or failure to prove. That's the standard. Actions speak louder than words.

                    "but we evolved consciousness that have the ultimate decision"

                    Wrong again. How can you be so wrong? Consciousness is the last to the party, making no decisions, always getting executive summary reports after the fact. This is scientifically proven, measuring neural response times to events. By the time your conscious mind thinks it's learned about how bad fire is, it's because your body has already recoiled by reflex away from a fire, because you're wired for it at a level deeper than consciousness & faster than your white-matter can process. It's right from limbs-to-spine with no required neural activity to the brain to get the job done. Oh, you'll get a neural report to process later but nothing will happen as a result: the act is already over. It's an executive summary, a process log, it's not input for action. That action was over milliseconds before & good thing too because we as a species would be dead if not for being born like this.

                    I don't care what Buddhists believe: belief is the refuge of the weak. Proof is the measure of reality, the source of the strong.

                    [–]MacNulty 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    I'm very sorry that you have to live in constant fear. That must be very difficult. I think I see where your mindset comes from but that's also not a very typical situation if I understood you correctly. I really urge you to read "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins which actually speaks of altruism and honesty from the point of view of evolutionary biology. It might mess with your idea that everyone in the world is an enemy though. Frankly, if you're such a believer in science you should have read this book long ago.

                    Regardless, it kind of seems like you don't want to allow the thoughts into your head that some of your beliefs may be wrong. You dismiss what I say, you dismiss what Buddhists say. You say you are not here to convince anyone but the tone of your message says you're trying to lecture me, calling me a naive child. I think you should realize that the only result you're getting is reinforcing your existing beliefs. I'm afraid I don't know how to help you with that. Then again, if it's really true that your life could be in danger, not having any doubts about yourself might be a coping mechanism. I'm not entirely sure how I feel messing with that.

                    But then again you took the example of spinal reflexes to drive your point that consciousness has no decisive power at all... LOL I mean really? Damn those brain scientists must be wasting their time. I have a better question for you. If the urge to reproduce is genetic and hormonal survival instinct, why do people use contraceptives?

                    I also recommend you to read about this Buddhist monk who set himself on fire. And if you're into scientific proofs so much you might actually be quite surprised what science says abut Buddhist beliefs.

                    Peace. Over and out.

                    [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    I live in constant immunity from fear.

                    My emotions are turned off unless I want them on. Love? Off. Hate? Off. Loneliness? Off. Fear? Off. It can be useful out in the wild but around technology I can use various electronic or mechanical means to outsource detection of threats.

                    My life is literally the epitome of no-fear.

                    I suggest you read the Art of War, in both the literal sense & at various levels of abstraction. Applied to military, governmental, social, business strategies it fits everything.

                    I am not a believer in science.

                    I am incapable of belief. I have no idea how to even form a belief. I act only from evidence. If evidence is lacking I gauge the risk of attaining evidence (and getting burned) or being burned for having to act with no information. Belief serves me no purpose whatsoever. The only way I can even surmise belief is in play with other people is various assertions of conditions which clearly are untrue and a wilful denial of observed evidence showing this, aka, "don't believe your lying eyes".

                    I'm not here to lecture you: these are public messages and it sends the wrong message when you write confident nonsense & it goes unchallenged. It will be challenged. People reading the stream of comments can then process the information & figure out what's true.

                    Why do people use contraceptives? Because laws make it deadly punishing to have a child when you do not want to (mostly bad for men) and very expensive to raise a child too early in life (both genders) due to financial fraud and generally, life was never meant to be so easy that we could just make babies without a care & face no consequences. Isn't so good for any species, not just humans.

                    Contraceptives give us choices, time, so we can improve the situation.

                    Science has nothing to say about buddhist beliefs. Nothing. Psychology isn't science. It's drivel posing as science.

                    Science is chemistry, biology, engineering, computing, it isn't economics or psychology or sociology. Those topics are 0% science.

                    [–]MacNulty -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                    Yup. I read The Art of War - it's a great book. Seems like it's the only book you read though.

                    [–]raven2000 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

                    Or, you can look at it like I do. I answer the questions completely bluntly and honestly. Don't like the honest answer? Oh, well... too bad for you. My integrity is in tact. I don't play games.

                    If your TRUE answer is cringe-inducing or turns off women... MAYBE it's time you change your reality a bit.

                    Just a thought.

                    [–]FortunateBum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    If your TRUE answer is cringe-inducing or turns off women... MAYBE it's time you change your reality a bit.

                    So lie if necessary? Got it.

                    [–]sumdumguy-throwaway 9 points10 points  (24 children)

                    what's a good reply for "what do you do for a living?"

                    Mystery's stupid "disposable lighter repairman" reply is stupid.

                    [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 26 points27 points  (0 children)

                    "what do you do for a living?"

                    Ah, I hate this one. Literally every woman you will ever date will ask you this question one time or another. And its kinda important to them. It gets old. Rather than a cookie cutter "X Y Z", I have fun with it. I turn it back on her. I use it as an excuse to aggressively escalate(I really don't care if 1 or 2 girls are offended and turn away. I once said I'm a gigolo. Oddly enough she giggled. We then argued on why she didn't believe me).

                    Other times, I keep it simple. "Guess."

                    Remember, a conversation doesn't end after these lines. This is solely a way to bypass testing. In fact, using something you can tie into later actually works pretty well for you. It brings the mood back to flirting, which is always a plus. So, this is my template. Within a mood of playfulness, this has the potential to be as much fun going forward as you want. Just depends on how creative you are.

                    Agree and amplify can also be used to hide it when you're really surprised. When I was in HK last year, a white woman came up to me in a bar(I had been speaking english loudly earlier), and started: "so... what do you do for a living?"

                    The nerves on this one! I didn't know her at all. I laughed and told her I twist toothpaste caps onto toothpaste bottles, what do you do for a living. Standard agree and amplify. It turned out well. I didn't really think she was a gold-digger(didn't look like it; slightly nervous) but she laughed, realized that's what I thought and apologized and said she was just curious cause I spoke English, and that she was embarrassed and wasn't thinking straight because her friends told her to come. I got invited to their table and it was fun. I told her I travel a lot, and so I have to(thus answering the question on my terms, which is a personal rule on agree and amplify, and an opportunity on frame).

                    I didn't do anything further though, I had a girlfriend at the time(still with the same girl actually). I spent the night giving the girls tips on how to approach guys better instead. And when I was done(an hour in, had to leave), I asked to take pictures. Then I put them on facebook, where my girlfriend probably saw them. The end. Passive dread.

                    [–]Locastor 17 points18 points  (2 children)

                    TRP: "I'm a leopard tamer"

                    H: "Haha what no c'mon"

                    TRP (fake mild offense): "It's serious work, leopards are an endangered species"

                    H (emotions slip-sliding)

                    TRP (fake serious): "Basically, the girl leopards give off the appearance of being stuck-up, but actually want to get asked out. So I have to teach the boy leopards to...(everything you're doing to her)"

                    H (another emotional flip, laughter): "OMG!"

                    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 14 points15 points  (9 children)

                    "what do you do for a living?"

                    "I invest"

                    "I don't do much, my employees do all the work"

                    "I watch trash tv in the early hours of the morning waiting for my unemployment to go in" (say sarcastically)

                    "That's classified, official secrets act" (espionage act if you're american)

                    "I sell art"

                    "I used to be an astronaut but then I became afraid of heights"

                    "Former bank robber"

                    "Shit"

                    "I don't need to work" (implication: you're rich)

                    Be creative.

                    [–]1Padre55 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Just say, "Opinions Vary"

                    If she drills in say "I rarely speak of such things, I'm not a talker"

                    Hamster will go into super insane warp speed

                    [–]sumdumguy-throwaway 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                    seems like most of these come off as trying too hard.

                    [–]IDefyAxioms 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                    It's all situational and depends on how you say it. I'm sure every one of those work in the proper context.

                    [–]rpkarma 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                    Far out, you're over thinking it. They aren't. The end. Give them a try and be amazed at the reactions, fuck.

                    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                    that's just how you're interpreting it

                    [–]paradigmx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    I'm straight up honest. I'm a Millwright, how many people even know what a Millwright is, what they do and don't realize I only have to work half a year in Fort McMurray to make 6 figures. "what's a Millwright?", "a person that works at mills"

                    To me, it establishes high SMV without revealing specifics.

                    Don't lie, being caught in a lie is rarely something you can recover from, but give the truth in positive doses. I don't give too much to avoid gold diggers myself.

                    [–]vomer29 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                    The one that seems to work for me is "I save lives." I'm a computer repair specialist, but damn those baby pictures grandma might have deleted are very important.

                    [–]1niczar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I often go with: "gee, we just met and you already wanna know how much I make?"

                    [–]FortunateBum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Actually, Mystery's current answer (I think) is you tell her the truth then find a way to make your occupation connect to her experience emotionally.

                    So let's say you're a mathematician. You can go on, after answering, to explain that you decided to become a mathematician because your dog died as a kid and you got interested in dog death statistics or whatever. She will emotionally connect to the dog dying.

                    My occupation is automatic emotional connection for women so I don't have this problem.

                    [–]rpkarma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I've used all sorts of dumb answers and they've all been great. As long as you don't answer correctly, then it doesn't matter, although you have to have a playful vibe.

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                      [–]sumdumguy-throwaway 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      I have a nice job. It pays close to $200k/yr. Women do not think it is a nice job and instantly lose interest when I tell them what I do. (software architect/director)

                      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I actually like this one because back in my pre-LTR day's, I used this a ton after seeing a guy at a bar say this and it always got a playful/smile response but stopped the shit test.

                      I'm still fascinated by the jargon/culture of TRP/PUA; I've just recently discovered it but have been unknowingly practicing it my entire life.....hate the silly terminology used though, but the people are fun.

                      [–]CrayolaS7 18 points19 points  (6 children)

                      "Let's just say that if things go well tonight, you could be the lucky vagina number who wins any of the stuffed animals off the top shelf."

                      How I know the person posting this has no fucking idea what they are talking about.

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                          [–]BluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                          Maybe an age range listed for the posters so we can evaluate (and advise) properly.

                          [–]DannyDemotta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Oh noes, that hot AWALT HB8 is gonna next me if i say that, amirite?

                          Unplug from one thing, plug right into another. You guys never cease to amaze me.

                          [–]JihadDerp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          When it comes to the partner count, I think it's best to provide anticipation mingled with mystery. (This may apply to other areas, but I'm drunk and don't feel like thinking about it.)

                          In other words, hint at the right answer, but give her the option to imagine anything. E.g. On a Tinder date... Her: "How many girls have you met through Tinder?" Me: Lean in to her ear... "Do you really want to talk about all the girls I've been with?"

                          "Girls I've been with" is an ambiguous phrase that could mean "girls I've met" or "girls I've dated" or "girls I've fucked" or any combination. The point is to be ambiguous and let her hamster spin. She hears "girls I've been with" but she thinks "girls I've fucked." So you've indirectly told her you sleep with a lot of girls, which is a good thing to do. If you tell her directly, "HEY! I've slept with 500 girls!" She'll dump you quicker than diarrhea after a night of 6 shots of Mexican Tequila.

                          [–]EmbeddedAssets 9 points10 points  (5 children)

                          Yes women are hamsters but they aren't completely stupid. It seems like women will catch onto your evasion if you do it enough and will eventually find you unattainable, so it's probably not good to avoid everything.

                          With that said, giving direct answers is also not beneficial, so it may pay to attack her instead. Much like how girls refuse to do things until she "knows you better", I think you can also play that card instead of agreeing and amplifying every time.

                          [–]23490865243879526487 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                          Much like how girls refuse to do things until she "knows you better", I think you can also play that card instead of agreeing and amplifying every time.

                          She might flip it around and make you pay with personal information for every escalation.

                          [–]Endorsed ContributorTDCRedPill 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                          Half full or half empty? You see a girl planning a tactic. I see a girl accepting my frame that physical escalation will happen at the tempo I set because I'm very willing to walk away and we both know she doesn't want that.

                          [–]23490865243879526487 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          I said she might so that's something to consider if you want to try the "I need to know you better first". It's not really a tactic she is planning, it's just something simple that is very easy to throw back at you.

                          [–]DannyDemotta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          You can counter that by offering unsolicited facts, stories, etc.

                          "I've been to Mexico twice, i loved it. Ever been?"

                          "I used to watch Power Rangers growing up. Shut up! That show was awesome."

                          Maybe not in the same convo, or as a segue, but at other points. Gives you plausible deniability later on. Not "everything" has to be a mystery, just obvious shit-test topics.

                          [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          "will catch onto your evasion if you do it enough and will eventually find you unattainable"

                          Generally as they near that limit their attraction is higher, not lower, so this is a good thing for a non-serious relationship.

                          The girl may not be looking to see if you are attainable as she knows she can just kiss you, get undressed, etc., and you're attained. Maybe she wants to know if you're containable as in under her control, as in beta. Women need to know which one you are. Once you're beta you're done for, pretty much. A utility & nothing more.

                          "Much like how girls refuse to do things until she "knows you better"

                          What? Really? You really need to try this both ways enough times before being so sure of the answer.

                          [–]nekrawulf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Should the correct answer to most of these be "I do alright" with a smirk. The smirk getting bigger for each question you can use this answer on.

                          [–]JohnIIISobieski 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Or: "I'm a beggar.", "I'm a virgin.", "My dick is so small, that it is basically a damn weird clitoris."

                          Jesus, you might say anything. Above one particular level of physical attractiveness, fitness, confidence and granted exquisite suit and hygiene, you might as well start reciting Old Norse ljóðaháttr praising sex with reindeers.

                          Be alpha. Don't be not-alpha.

                          Stop overthinking.

                          [–]ben0wn4g3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          I always get asked the partner count one!

                          Obviously I first try the old change the subject/ enhance and exaggerate PUA shit-test avoidance stuff but ... some girls are really persistent. Sometimes I just ask how many guys they have kissed, most girls don't know, so I just say same for me with sex.

                          Seems to get them off my case and lets them hamster my actual number.

                          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          Have a couple coworkers doing this to me a lot recently. I haven't had any problems telling them because i consider them non combatant...I'm uninterested. My SMV remains high because I'm constantly flirting with and getting customer phone numbers in front of them. Social proof beats mystery any day. Even my boss is starting to open up to me in quasi-sexual ways. yesterday she was shaking ass in front of me on her way out of the stockroom.

                          [–]TheLife_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          I like this post. You could build on it, too. Add a pressure flip by answering slyly and immediately hitting her back with the same question.

                          "So what sort of car do you drive?"
                          "I'll have to ask my driver. Why, what do you drive?"

                          [–]1chivalry_augustus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                          My experience is that women will assign you an SMV in the first 30 seconds of meeting you and will shit test you accordingly in order to re-frame that SMV. But, ultimately, your behaviour will determine whether she views you as attractive or not irrespective of the external perception of your SMV. This is where a lot of inexperienced virgin guys fall down, because they think that their being a virgin is unattractive when what they're actually mistaking is cause and symptom. Their being a virgin leads to unattractive behaviour and their SMV is down-rated accordingly, but the unattractive behaviour was there first, otherwise they would never have found themselves in that predicament. For the purposes of clarity, unattractive behaviour in this context can be anything from being a needy beta to being a stinky slob.

                          You can make your SMV appear to be on the higher end by simply not giving a fuck. Play with girls, tease them. Tell them truths mixed with lies. Keep a smirk on your face at all times. Tell them they're stupid, tell them they're pretty. Stop caring so much, stop being so creative in your responses. Over-thinking lowers your SMV. Spontaneity and stupidity are fun and girls just want to have fun. That said, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Having a consistently masculine personality is a start to raising your SMV - you can be a strong, silent type without resorting to clownish antics and still fit into an attractive niche. I think guys who have a low SMV suffer too much from being logical, from being boring, from being passive-aggressive, and from wearing the past around their shoulders like a millstone.

                          [–]FortunateBum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          My experience is that women will assign you an SMV in the first 30 seconds of meeting you and will shit test you accordingly in order to re-frame that SMV.

                          Wow yes, I totally agree. I think many women do this.

                          I think guys who have a low SMV suffer too much from being logical, from being boring, from being passive-aggressive, and from wearing the past around their shoulders like a millstone.

                          Again, I agree. I think a lot of guys just simply don't know what attracts women. You want to put your best foot forward and not show her everything that's wrong with you.

                          [–]BluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                          if you casually and bemusedly dismiss her questions and refuse to show your hand, her hamster will not be able to help but to imagine you're holding a royal flush.

                          That is the quote of the day and the reason why Agree and Amplify is the go to in any shit test. Yes, all of OP's examples are simple shit tests. Agree and amplify.

                          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          These are not realistic questions a girl would actually ask.

                          Also

                          "Let's just say that if things go well tonight, you could be the lucky vagina number who wins any of the stuffed animals off the top shelf."

                          That line ain't gonna get you laid that's for sure.

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                            [–]ab_roller -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                            They read like he's never actually talked to a female before so he sat down coming up with 'snappy' replies.
                            "luck vagina number" "men and fish will have equal rights".
                            Jesus.

                            [–]imatabar 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                            "So are you a feminist? You believe in equality, right?"

                            "sure" or "yep" in my experience are all you need to say.

                            [–]ilphae 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                            This question is where I politely excuse myself from the conversation.

                            [–]bh3244 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            lol, no. i could not stand any person who would ask such a stupid question.

                            [–]MrOaiki 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Is this someone you're seeing for a long time? Then why are you not answering questions properly?

                            [–]2asd1100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            "I have a dream that one day men and fish will have equal rights."

                            this made me lol

                            but seriously if we give fish the right to vote they will and up rulling the world, they outnumber us and they have no mercy. Have you seen their eyes, those are eyes of stone cold killers!

                            [–]SarionFetecuse1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            "So what's your partner count? Have you slept with a lot of girls?"

                            A girl I had relations refer to partner counts as kills. So I did a rendition of the navy seal copypasta. I blew her question off as a joke.

                            [–]Dunning_Kruger_Mon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            ''They'll never find the bodies so I'd rather not say" "/n" Works everytiem

                            [–]backfor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Politely as possible, I tell them that I've never shared information regarding income or past intimate relationships with any of my other friends, nor have they asked. If I feel that I'm being financially vetted, I bail immediately.

                            [–]PlusGoody 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Agree that no woman deserves a straight answer on your number, and would punish you mercilessly for giving it to her.

                            But on your job? Dodging this is going to look beta compensation much more than alpha. Your SMV does not drop if you tell her that you are a surgeon or a Congressman or a hedge fund manager, and if you say you're a gravedigger she'll assume that you work a register at 7-11. Not good.

                            [–]Mouthpiece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            A woman who asked how much money I make has already failed her first test. I would not hesitate to tell her that. I might smile when I say it, but she's just dug yourself in a pretty deep hole it will be nearly impossible to climb out of.

                            The rest of those questions, less so, but they are clearly red flags. They deserve a disapproving response, whether it's of the sarcastic funny variety, or outright expression of disdain.

                            [–]Killigraphy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            For those still new to the game, pretend you're in a club no one else can get in. They have to pass your tests, you answer to none. Be great in front of her, pick something you can talk about with certainty and be good at it. Be agenda-less, women can smell agenda like a fly to shit, and always walk away, approach several other broads. You need to let your target(s) know that you aren't setting anchor anywhere, their port is not important to your luxury liner.

                            All women are neurotic when it comes to hooking up, they will hamster till the wheels fall off, your job is to manipulate and keep her hamster ass ready to get back on the wheel for you.

                            [–]TekkomanKingz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            It's times like these reading this I'm glad I don't deal with Westernized or American women. Haven't had to play this game in a long time.

                            [–]smellthenoise 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate... and so on.

                            [–]simplegreen1990 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            This post is fucking retarted, I get the feeling that a large portion of you are seriously lonely and use this sub to fantasize about a non-existent life you wish you had, if you followed half the crap in this sub you would seriously find yourself on your ass quick if you even managed to find a female in the first place. Learn some real game folks, or take some creative writing classes to sound more believable, I am almost ashamed of myself for claiming red pill simply because of reddits fucked up version of it. I only stick around for the 1 in 1,000 post that actually has a nugget of info worth reading. It's pretty fucking obvious to anyone outside this circle jerk confirmation bias 99% have no fucking clue how shit operates which would explain why there's so many post calling females sluts, bitches, lesbians, ect. cause your sorry ass got shot down like a nazi war plane.

                            [–]Movonnow 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                            Isnt she going to think you may hide something nasty if you never truly answer the question?

                            [–]FortunateBum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            I used to be afraid of this too once upon a time. Women just don't work like us. Try it and see what happens.

                            [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Probably not. The only bad outcome is where she loses attraction. Odds are if you give the real info faster than you ought to, you lose attractiveness. It's a test: if you give money, information, commitment, supplication too soon it makes you look like a thirrrrsty chump. That's not attractive.

                            Sometimes, for whatever reason, "nasty" is (however she defines it). I'm not one of them so I can't explain it. Women aren't good at explaining it either.

                            She won't be honest with you at such a speed, on demand, and she knows it.

                            [–]0Zaseka0 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

                            Earlier popular thread (something about somebody's dad being trp) discusses how women are incapable of giving direct answers and will try to be sly--people lose their minds...then there is this thread. Gj trp, keep being classy.

                            [–]ab_roller 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                            This is not an equal rights subreddit. There are two sets of rules and we never pretend otherwise.

                            [–]0Zaseka0 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

                            This is a surprisingly honest answer. Hope you realize the problem this makes in making you likeable to just about anyone that has an IQ bigger than their shoe size.

                            [–]ab_roller 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                            Not sure where the 'likeable' part comes into play. This sub is about managing females and making the best of yourself. It is what it is.

                            [–]0Zaseka0 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                            Because you can't influence anyone that a.) doesn't like/respect you or b.) doesn't fear you. Making different sets of rules and applying them as you see fit doesn't make you trustworthy, consistent, reliable, or anything that a normal person would find a good quality in somebody-thus lowering your SMV, which is based on people's opinion about you.

                            [–]Movonnow -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                            Sorry.