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    [–]the10thrider 311 points312 points  (44 children)

    Garbage men, heavy mechanics, works construction, plumbing, power; the invisible percentage of all men who keep our modern civilization going but very little thanks from those that benefit from it.

    [–]JudgeRedPill 92 points93 points  (22 children)

    So... pretty much any physically demanding, mostly male job that 99.999% of women wouldn't do?

    [–]Mikay55 122 points123 points  (20 children)

    We women demand equal job opportunities!... Just not those ones.

    [–]Johnny10toes 35 points36 points  (19 children)

    My wife said it the other day outloud when we got on a discussion about minimum wage. I moved the topic to wage gap and the jobs women are taking. "We want equal pay for less work." She is a stay at home mom.

    [–]downvote_heaven 22 points23 points  (17 children)

    The wage gap is a myth. Women now earn more than guys, and are generally more highly educated. This doesn't even count the externality supplements of being a woman, such as guys buying you dinner and a movie, a ring, a house, or etc.

    Men are being disenfranchised and they have no one to blame but themselves. Also the swinging pendulum of "equality." I guess there's that too.

    [–]RedPill115 8 points9 points  (14 children)

    That's a good point I hadn't thought about about the perks of being a woman. Coworker bought his daughter a car for college. Not buying one for his son. Same thing outside the family - girls can often drink for "free" at the bar. "ladies night". Etc.

    Thomas Sowell was saying the "wage gap" was bunk in 1980 when feminists were making exactly the same argument:

    [–]downvote_heaven 6 points7 points  (9 children)

    It has been this way for some time now. I started reading articles about it many years ago. Of course it is not this way in many countries and across the board. But in first world countries? You betcha. I did some research and found that the main factor driving down the average income of women is black, single, unemployed mothers, by far.

    [–]CrayolaS7 2 points3 points  (7 children)

    The wage/earnings gap isn't a myth in that it does still exist to some extent. It's a myth that it is due to "sexism" or unequal pay for equal work. Nowadays it's mostly due to the jobs women choose being less dangerous/easier than men and women choosing greater flexibility over higher pay. There's also factors like women taking time off of work in their 20s to 30s which limits their career progression and so their lifetime earnings are still lower on average, but for equal work they are usually paid fairly. The solution to this is to make parental leave more accessible for men and women so that more men stay at home with kids and women can return to work sooner. Then in the white-collar world there's the factors that are harder to quantify like women not being as forward with asking for raises/higher starting salary when they are head-hunted.

    [–]downvote_heaven 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    No I mean what you are projecting is still a myth. What I say is patently true for all working women. It is also true for non-working women. They simply get more in government help. Moreover, they now make considerably more for equal work, if they do work. Period. I actually researched this quite a bit and will have to dig up some of my old articles I guess.

    [–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    The wage/earnings gap isn't a myth in that it does still exist to some extent. It's a myth that it is due to "sexism" or unequal pay for equal work. Nowadays it's mostly due to the jobs women choose being less dangerous/easier than men and women choosing greater flexibility over higher pay.

    This is what people are referring to with the idea of the wage gap though - the idea that it's because of sexism or "discrimination".

    Even in your interpretation, to "solve" this problem women would have to start taking more dangerous/harder jobs than they do now, yes? And that's where it becomes absurd - is it more or less "oppressive" to give women more money but to put them into more dangerous jobs and increase their level of danger overall? The guys who are the most successful are rich, but the guys who are the least successful end up homeless. Is that ok to happen to women? I mean that would actually be equality, when those rates are the same.

    There's also the topic of if the inherent assumption that more hours + more money == less oppressive...

    [–]RedPill115 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Interesting, thanks for the link, hadn't seen that one before.

    [–]1Ill_mumble_that 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    If you can become a man with a shit-ton of charisma you too can get this special treatment from everyone you meet. It will require confidence, balls, and an aloofness that makes people believe you are outcome dependent but that you also care about them.

    I'm not sure how to explain it, I use it to my advantage all the time. Got free cars, free computers, free phones, free meals, women buy me things all the time. Men do the same thing for me, but I try to return the favor for them as they tend to keep track compared to women which seem to have short term memories regarding that.

    I never ask for things but instead just show interest in someone and what they are doing. Most people get so excited someone is interested in them that they want to reciprocate by giving gifts. But here's the thing, I'm not doing it to manipulate people, I am genuinely and deeply interested in everyone that I talk to, or else I wouldn't waste my time talking to them.

    [–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Lol, yeah, but why is it that men keep track while women have only short term memories?

    It's because it's a daily occurance for women, while it's a rarity for men. Whether you're talking about someone giving them gifts, or showing interest in them.

    When I started social dancing, I remembered every girl I danced with. After a while, I only remembered the people who I danced with where it was particularly good or bad. Now I've been doing it for years, I danced with a girl on Sunday and ran into a similar looking girl the next day on Monday and I wasn't sure if it was the same girl or not. It happens so often to me now that my brain just doesn't keep it straight, unless the girl really stands out or I have a particular interest in her (or I've interacted with her several times).

    It's a generalization, nothing wrong with pointing out that it's not 100% true, there are always exceptions. I'm sure Fabio used to get more gifts back in the day then say, an ugly woman with an abrasive personality.

    But women find it a lot easier to get that kind of treatment without as much effort than men do, on the whole.

    [–]Gunnilingus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Throw in paid maternity leave and the "I have to leave early to pick up my kid from school" phenomenon and they are really getting the long end of the stick

    [–]Bodegaz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Wanna feel like a man? Move to Afghanistan.

    [–]aleemarshad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    But hey she said aloud what most women (sub)consciously want/think... so in that sense you've got an honest woman there imo

    [–]skripklubbin 120 points121 points  (12 children)

    They get thanked with a paycheck.

    [–]the10thrider 69 points70 points  (8 children)

    For some of my plumber clients, they get thanked verrrry well. Lots of demand, little supply. What to make six figures? Start a successful plumbing contracting business.

    [–]downvote_heaven 66 points67 points  (0 children)

    Start a successful anything business.

    [–]NillaThunda 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    I thank my dad for this one everyday.

    [–]xyzeche 20 points21 points  (3 children)

    You forget hot sex from milfs

    [–]anttyk47 16 points17 points  (2 children)

    You're watching too much porn and anyone upvoting this is as well

    [–]confuseacatlmtd 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Not sure if you meant upvoting him or you so I did both.

    [–]Heizenbrg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Living in NY I've come to hate contractors, especially the chimneymen.

    [–]1Ill_mumble_that 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    [–]trpalternate 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    Garbagemen in my city get thanked pretty well.

    [–]GhostOfAladdin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    yup. they get good benefits, as well. appreciate em'

    [–]Devvils 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    An English friend once told me "Where there's muck, there's brass" ie money.

    [–]sicksackofshit 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    Would these things still apply if the man was a garbage collector (any type of low value man)

    I disagree with this sentiment. Garbage men can actually make pretty good money and stay in shape on the job.

    [–]gprime312 15 points16 points  (3 children)

    Yes, but they have low social value. Who proudly reports that they're a sanitation worker?

    [–]greatGoD67 27 points28 points  (2 children)

    The guy driving a nicer car than the cubicle worker talking down to him.

    [–]Transmigratory 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    By social value I thinks he means what women will want to brag about.

    Women operate on very archaic mechanisms this way.

    [–]Gunnilingus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I thank them with my taxes

    [–]N165 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Unless you watch Dirty Jobs

    [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 28 points29 points  (3 children)

    As soon as I read the title, I knew this one was coming. But understand this, this isn't an insult on you. Any more than being short is an insult on short people.

    It is just what the market incentivizes. Sometimes more than the qualities that we'd think would be valued.

    I can see you have pride in your profession(and why not, you should. No sycophancy here; You are one of the men who are essential to civilization)... but tell me, for women, is your profession a disadvantage for you or isn't it?

    Can you proclaim it proudly? Or do you hide it? And if you don't do either, have you come to expect it to filter women out over time?

    We can say that "not everything is about women" or that it helps us avoid the shallow people. But everyone is shallow. And we are talking about women here specifically.

    [–]fiat_lux_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    The market is different in the USA. OP is posting from Korea, iirc. The unemployment rate is under 3% there and garbage men are looked down there more than they are in North America. Most people assume that if you're a garbage man, you want to be someone else but failed.

    The equivalent in NA would be a NEET living on their parent's dime. In NA, garbage men are actually paid well enough and people generally accept the idea that, "it's a job, pays well, and someone's gotta do it."

    [–]switchme808 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I'd say most people in NA still associate "Garbage man" with "minimum wage janitor" and don't realize the actual compensation that garbage men receive. They see the job of handling stinky smelly trash and it is immediately repulsive to them because it is something they are not willing to do themselves.

    [–]Surf_Or_Die 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    That is true. In a perfect world surgeons would be treated like rock stars and Nicki Minaj would be asking me if I'd like fries with my order. We don't live in that world.

    [–]A_Thousand 34 points35 points  (5 children)

    Can't tell if this is levity or not, but out here, working for Waste Management is a proper career with pension, benefits Ect. I know college grads making less than garbage men.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter[S] 32 points33 points  (1 child)

    working for Waste Management is a proper career with pension, benefits Ect. I know college grads making less than garbage men.

    You don't have to tell guys here that. I'm not actually dogging on garbage men as a job, as I see a lot of guys "defending" and taking issue with the garbage man thing.

    The point is that the "image" of construction workers, garbage men (the men who keep society running) is not good in the Sexual Marketplace™ (aka as viewed by women). It has nothing to do with the fact they are fathers who bring food to the table, which is highly respectable.

    That's my point: you can't negotiate attraction. And you can't negotiate with women that "hey you really should like this garbage man with a pension and retirement benefits over the part-time DJ at the club who will quit in 6 months". Logic doesn't come into play here unfortunately.

    [–]JudgeRedPill 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    They have my respect and I went to law school. That shit is really fuckkng hard and they deserve every penny they get.

    [–]Dubsland12 42 points43 points  (17 children)

    thank you for your service sir.

    [–]liquidify 24 points25 points  (16 children)

    More applicable than when said to most military men.

    [–]Saturnalia93 42 points43 points  (15 children)

    Idk, this guy prevents disease and garbage from flooding the streets, I think that's more valuable to me personally than fucking around in the Middle East.

    [–]nrjk -1 points0 points  (10 children)

    Yeah there really hasn't been a noble war in this country since WWII. The only reason to thank a vet is because of the shitty conditions the US Government puts them through, not because they're doing much to actually protect freedom. Their service and skills would be way more valuable back over here, and cheaper on the budget.

    [–]Draki1903 9 points10 points  (6 children)

    Noble war

    Every war is about influence, resources and national interests.

    [–]Jar_of_apples 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    That doesn't mean it can't be noble. Fighting to protect your tribe, or better your people would fall under noble to me.

    [–]definitely_hetero 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Can you tell us how women react to your profession?

    [–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (6 children)

    It would be hilarious if garbage men went on strike nationwide. Let everyone else bathe in garbage for a while and see if they ever dare disrespect the trade again.

    [–]chadeusmaximus 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    This happened here in Seattle a few years ago. The strike lasted a week before the city caved.

    [–]tlkuvic 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    No, no, no, no, no! No, it fucking wouldn't. Just ask Toronto.

    [–]Mattpilf 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    If memory serves me right, Italy had this, I think they sent in the military to clean the streets.

    [–]graffiti81 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    As a person who isn't an idiot, thanks for doing an incredibly important yet completely under-appreciated job.

    [–]g_gggg 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I was wondering after I read the post if a garbage man would show up.

    So I guess the question is, do you think women find your profession unattractive?

    At the end of the day, women will dump a professional athlete making 7 figures for a better athlete making 8 figures. So we're all somewhere below that, including a garbage man. So I don't think the post is necessarily insulting to your profession beyond implying that it's super low on the desirable scale, which I disagree with. I have to think that some minimum wage, part-time nanny or pussy job would be the worst. You'd make no money, have no respect from your peers, and not even be manly.

    [–]nrjk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The chart posted a few days ago had kindergarten and early childhood care at 2.8% of men in it. That might be the lowest...or those few guys pullin' tail left and right.

    On the other end was boilermaker at 99.8% men. Manly as fuck. It also says to me that men are more willing to go into a female dominated career than the other way around.

    Why? Because groups of men are really mean and sexist while groups of women are never catty or hiveminded. Riiiight.

    [–]Dechs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Don't know if you care, but I've met my fair share of women who only go after men who do physical labour. Worst example: She "What do you do?" Me "I'm an engineer" She walks away without saying anything.

    [–]Snivellious 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Let her find that out after she sees that you're in better shape, better with you hands, and a higher earner than all the beta desk jockeys she meets (because you probably are). The great thing about the hamster is that it works both ways - if she pegs you as alpha, she'll do all the work of making your job seem awesome for you.

    [–]Keninishna 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I heard some garbage collectors in NYC get paid upwards of 100k a year with overtime.

    [–]Hoodwink 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    A better job to compare would be "Walmart Associate or Retail/Fast Food Manager".

    Garbage man has beta appeal (dependable job) and a traditionally masculine appeal with a little bit of physical fitness requirements. Definitely not huge, but it reaches towards something.

    The associate would combine low status, pay, security, and no physical requirements.

    [–]wurding 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    i dont think he was having a dig at your profession man

    [–]Mrjetsondc 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Is that why my trash is never picked up? Your dumb ass is always on reddit?

    [–]arhombus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    On dirty jobs, like all the people who worked at the sanitation department had been working for 20+ years.

    You're like Derek Jeter dude.

    [–][deleted] 108 points109 points  (10 children)

    True. Hypothetically, if some tall, rich, muscular dude was a garbage man, they would still fuck him.

    [–]throwbp 36 points37 points  (0 children)

    And brag about how he is saving the planet, one trash bin at a time..

    [–]topspeedj 59 points60 points  (2 children)

    And if it were his passion to be the world's best goddamn garbage man, all power to him.

    [–]incraved 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I really find the term "garbage man" funny. It's like spider man.

    [–]1Ill_mumble_that 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    [–]Idle_Redditing 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Georges St Pierre was a garbageman before he started to get famous and no longer needed a regular job to pay the bills.

    [–]charlie_bodango 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    That probably partly explains why he's such a cool dude.

    [–]easyrandomguy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    i doubt that...

    [–]100 Modbsutansalt 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    No, women would fuck him at the drop of the hat, but he'd be hard pressed to get any of them to see him as a long-term prospect. Instead ol' nerdy reliable Poindexter with a white collar job will get the run around, take her out on dates, and she'll be calling up Mr Muscular Garbage Man/Bartender/drug dealer to pound her out later that night. Only after a few months will she finally give up token sex to Mr Reliable who she's made into her beta bucks. I've seen this so many times it's not even funny, including being both guys at different stages of my life.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 70 points71 points  (4 children)

    Yep, women are terrible at giving relationship advice for this reason. They describe the things they want (or rather, think they want) in a man they are already attracted to. What she doesn't know or doesn't want to admit are the elements that first generated her arousal. She doesn't understand her own attraction principles, how could she possibly help you with yours?

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Listing all the "good" things a man should be also makes her look like she's not a total slut. It keeps creepy men at bay.

    [–]Syn3rgetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Quote of the year. So very well breaks down the female psyche.

    [–]markasstrick123 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Basically, be hawt then personality matters

    [–]Yoda7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Look like a Greek God, have some scratch, and feed the hamster talking points. Case closed.

    [–]Beast66 47 points48 points  (13 children)

    Interestingly enough, garbage men, or "sanitation engineers" can make over 100k a year because their job is so undesirable.

    [–]zephyrprime 16 points17 points  (11 children)

    Yes, it's true. A lot of undesirable jobs actually make good pay. Ever pay a plumber for a hour of their time? $$$.

    [–]markasstrick123 13 points14 points  (9 children)

    Step dad was a plumber and a welder. Can confirm, we lived good.

    [–]oxymorphone 5 points6 points  (6 children)

    I'm a welder and I make considerably more than almost everyone I know with college degrees...and I haven't even done pipeline work yet.

    [–]markasstrick123 9 points10 points  (5 children)

    I remember when my step dad was welding underwater and some girl in class laughed at my parents profession. My mother is a nurse and my father is a welder. That's big money right there. What did hers do? Both high school teachers. They didn't make half what my parents do. Lol women

    [–]oxymorphone 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    Underwater welding pays ridiculously well...they make as much as surgeons.

    Angry drunken edit: I would be surprised if her parents even made a respectable fraction of what your stepfather did

    [–]markasstrick123 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Together maybe 50k. I never knew exactly, but how much do they make?

    [–]oxymorphone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Depending on how much they want to work, it could be anywhere from 100-250k. Of course, underwater welding is one of the most dangerous jobs in the world, so the pay reflects that.

    [–]pizza_tron 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Heard underwater welding is hella dangerous. I had a buddy who did it for a little while until his friend took his helmut off becuse he was "hot." Water pressure killed him instantly. People can go crazy when there too deep.

    [–]markasstrick123 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I did my research on it. If you get through the five years you typically come out with 1.2 million. That's worth the risk.

    I read about guys getting stalked by 2 meter barracudas, crushed in between ships, going deaf, brittle bones, explosions, electrocution, octopus pulling at masks and gear, so on and so on.

    This type of lifestyle will keep testosterone high. I've decided to pursue this career and if I die I won't even know it, so what the hell right?

    [–]RedOptics19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    My plumber has 3 boats down in Florida (lives in New England), I'd say he's doing alright.

    [–]tsudonimh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yup. There are three things that raise the wages of a job.

    It's dangerous, it takes special training/skills/knowledge, or no one wants to do it.

    [–]Thedougernaut 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    Idk about where you live, but here; garbage men don't get dirty, make 25 dollars an hour, and get full state benefits. Annual raises, etc. I wish I was a fucking garbage man, and I own my own company...

    [–]ButterMyBiscuit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Just because it's an objectively good career doesn't mean it's not a low-status job.

    [–]AngraMainyuu 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    What you do is you use the Garbage Man Test™: Would these things still apply if the man was a garbage collector (any type of low value man).

    I don't know if you knew this dude, but just as much as women lie about valuing all those things, they're gonna lie about this too. They might pause and consider the question, but they're really looking for the socially correct answer, not the true answer. Women will often say anything they need to say in order to shine up how other people perceive them. That's how the hamster stays in shape most days.

    If the answer to that test is no, then she's full of shit.

    Also, if she answers YES, she's also full of shit. We should all already know this around here. If she answers NO, then at least she's being honest, and truth be told, she's being honest about the other values as well. Wishful thinking, but no, she really does value those things, she's just never attracted to them. Huge difference. I value a woman who works hard and has a degree, but that doesn't make her dating material, nor does it disqualify her either. I'm not attracted to her book smarts, but I definitely admire her for them. Same way women admire guys who know how to change diapers and are good with animals, doesn't mean the dude's gonna get laid anytime soon though.

    Point blank, women just don't know what they hell they're talking about when it comes to this shit.

    [–]ThousandTruths 33 points34 points  (22 children)

    It's all about the numbers when it comes to women.

    How big is your dick?

    How much do you earn?

    How tall are you?

    What is your facial-width-to-height ratio?

    What is your waist to shoulder ratio?

    How many friends do you have?

    How many women have you been with?

    Women are number whores.

    All is HARD NUMBERS.

    [–]imthemanyesiam 31 points32 points  (7 children)

    yet theyre so bad with numbers

    [–]Planner_Hammish 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    Many of the women (~6/25) I've dated in the last year were accountants. Go figure.

    [–]RojoEscarlata 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Is not about number per se, but about social value, which women understand perfectly.

    [–]elevul 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Because their brains do extremely complex calculations in real time 24/7, they don't have the capacity to add other calculation on top of that.

    [–]redbluepilling 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    What? No! Where's the nuanced thinking? While these things are important, they aren't what really matter. It's the intangibles, the very things you're disregarding. Confidence, ambition, social prowess, and ease of sexual expression.

    This is TRP, where we understand that you can have a fancy car, be well endowed, or have aesthetic features, but that means little if your game is shit / not pursuing your own goals / have low social value.

    Read this tale that was highly upvoted (but now deleted for whatever reason).

    [–]ThousandTruths 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    We can measure confidence by analysing your stress hormone in stressful situations or when with hot girls. Alpha males won't have a large stress hormone increase, the bigger the increase, the more beta you are.

    Ambition is measured by your success. Ambition means shit if you don't have numbers to back it up. Girls don't care about ambition our potential, they evaluate what they see already.

    Social prowess is how many friends you have (numbers).

    Sexual expression - how many partners you have had (numbers)

    If you have the numbers in check, you will be swimming in pussy.

    It's really very easy, people overcomplicate things, because they do not want to face the reality.

    [–]CalvinHobb3s 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    Explain the waist to shoulder one

    [–]ThousandTruths 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Men with wider shoulders and more narrow waists are preferred by women. Think of a v-taper.

    [–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Ideal ratio is .6 waist-to shoulders.

    [–]Lodsiek 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I feel like "social value" might be better than "number of friends". A guy could be in a band, or a stand-up comedian, and have practically no friends because he's so busy, but it still fulfills the social value category and thus we see rock stars in their 60's that are perfectly capable of getting laid in heartbeat.

    [–]ThousandTruths 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    In that case Twitter followers and likes on your Facebook page. Still numbers.

    [–]RompeChocha 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I have none of the questions you posted going for me, except I have a big dick and I know how to fuck. And I've been with plenty of women and always meet new ones. I do have a nice car, although it's a bit banged up, and I wear nice clothes/shoes n smell good (expensive cologne).

    [–]ThousandTruths 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    See, your clothes are good (expensive), you have banged lots of women (social proof, stats), you have big dick.

    Also, it is very important what kind of chicks are you fucking.

    Anyone can fuck fatties, but when it comes to 8+, you will be in a world of pain if you don't have your numbers to back you up.

    [–]theoctopuss 27 points28 points  (25 children)

    Once you've seen it first hand, with many different women, it sickens you.

    I know many girls and its the same story with all of them, no matter how "different" they say they are.

    What I mean by "same story" is not whatever bullshit they tell you, its the way they tell you and what kind of lies they make up.

    One example (which applies to most of the women I've spent any amount of time with) is this girl named A. A is your typical girl, enjoys makeup and hair and all that crap. One day, A meets B. B is a white dude with no job, a beat up car (can also be no car), a lot of bad tattoos, and a drug addiction.

    Before B came along, as I said, she was pretty typical. After B came along, something happened...

    A turned into a "gangster bitch." She started listening to terrible rap music, got some convenientally placed tattoos, and started with the drugs.

    2 months later, they break up. 1 month later, A is in a relationship with C. C is what youd call a "farm boy". Within a week, A had a pair of cowboy boots and a flannel shirt. Within 2 weeks, she was putting pictures on her Facebook about her "dream home": a ranch style farm on the plains.

    Just 2 weeks ago, she was thug nasty.

    I've seen it happen over and over, almost without fail. AWALT.

    [–]AngraMainyuu 19 points20 points  (5 children)

    This just illustrates how most women don't have much in the way of an identity of their own, but seek to establish one through whichever guy they happen to be dating. Conversely, any girl who is strong-willed and has her own identity, is most likely dating a beta-bitch whose needs always come second or third.

    [–]1Jaereth 13 points14 points  (4 children)

    Truth. When you are trying to pull girls at a bar/club, start asking them what their hobbies are. Runners and Photographers are the only thing i've heard where they actually have something going on in their life. It only goes downhill from there...

    [–]Saturnalia93 20 points21 points  (3 children)


    About half the time I hear this it ends up meaning "I spent a grand on a DSLR and I take up-close pictures of flowers".

    [–]through_a_ways 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    This precisely describes my sister.

    [–]Yoda7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Just saw that profession listed on a girls FB that I used to know. I loled.

    [–]billthane 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    As a photographer who actually does food photography as a career, I can second this. The number of times I've said I'm a photographer and gotten the reply "me too," only to have them show me dozens of crap photos taken in auto mode on a camera too advanced for them is ridiculous.

    [–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    Once again: Book of Pook - Do Girls Want Sovereignty?

    How do successful men act with women? They bring the lady into their world. When they date (at the beginning especially), it is HIS date ideas, he gets to be as creative or dull as he wants. And she will judge you based on the world you are creating for her. Remember, she is going to bedefined by you. There is a reason why she takes your name. We can argue which 'worlds' are more appealing to others with the women (a crazy spontaneos world or a more stable less risk world or such). But one thing that is very true is that women, above anything else, desire the guy to be himself, to show his world properly. Nice Guys and chumps, who do not create any world of their own but try to 'please' the women, are despised the most by women. She may not know what she wants. But she DOES know that YOU ought to know what you want. She will 'fall in love' with a guy, become intermeshed in his world, and his goals often become hers. It is not so much sovereignty she wants but a guy's world.

    Doesn't matter if you are a drug addict or a farm boy, both of them have they own unique world. All she wants to be part of it.

    [–]100 Modbsutansalt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This is one of the more profound things I've read in a while. I really do need to keep refreshing this stuff. Guys "go beta" a lot of times as a relationship wears on because they forget to do exactly what is stated above and instead often slip into placating and pleasing the women. That's the road to relationship strife my friends. You must maintain frame, even when you think it'll be the ruin of you. Sometimes it still will, but more often than not you'll be respected for your iron will and leadership.

    [–]faded_jester 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    One of the many gospels of Dante Nero is that a women becomes a reflection of her man, taking on his characteristics/style/what have you. It's kinda off putting how quickly they can completely change themselves and pretend "this is who I am!" ignoring her entire history up until then.

    [–]MickeyRoarick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    When the new lion slays the alpha male and becomes the leader of the pride, the transition is swift

    [–]markasstrick123 3 points4 points  (13 children)

    I just feel sorry for women. Men have it harder, but at the end of the day we are men. We do what we wanna do, women supplicant to others because they are slaves to social status. In a way, they don't even have souls. What a miserable, hollow existence.

    [–]Yoda7 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    A miserable, hollow, comfortable, pleasant existence. As opposed to a toiling, dieing, struggling, eaking, and suffering existence. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong.

    [–]markasstrick123 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Fuck being comfortable. Give me chaos.

    [–]Yoda7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You are compatible with that lifestyle. Not everyone is. But its something that isnt likely to change any time soon.

    [–]theoctopuss 1 point2 points  (8 children)

    I'll have to disagree with your use of "souls".

    All we are is a sack of meat, bones, and blood with electrical impules and hormones. We're all made of atoms, molecules, and chemicals just like everything else on this planet.

    If there is an understanding on a base level, everything after that will make sense. The brain is wired to make assumptions, similar to cutting corners, because trying to process the thousands of options every situation could result in is too much. That's why statements like "women don't have souls" is false. Genetics dictates if someone is male or female, which also dicates brain structure. XX causes the brain to develop differently than YX, same as the body developing physically.

    It's a very deep rabbit hole, and also a reason they call it the red pill.

    [–]newmewuser 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    I prefer the Sun-Moon metaphor. The Sun can shine by itself, the moon would be utter dark without the Sun's light. As a bonus she also has a near 28 days cycle.

    [–]Yoda7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Maybe the moon is happy in the dark though.

    [–]Scorlibran 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    All molecules are made of atoms and all chemicals are either atoms or molecules, so just saying atoms would have sufficed.

    Just sayin'

    [–]elevul 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Keep in mind the CHOOSE to be "slaves of social status". They choose to be bound by their biological and social programming.

    But an attractive woman who learns of her nature and goes beyond her programming is an incredible force in our society, thanks to the tools she's made available.

    [–]MagnanimousGenius 29 points30 points  (0 children)

    This is a hilarious, but valid point

    Women are shallow creatures, and it's easy to poke holes and expose it, because no matter what anyone says AWALT

    [–]Pushnikov 15 points16 points  (5 children)

    The reality is, women don't consider any guy who isn't already on the sexual market place, "a man".

    Even worse, they don't consider any guy who isn't really alpha, "a man".

    They're "guys" or "dudes" or "friends" or "creeps".

    Those labels don't accumulate. They are the ONLY definition a man will get from a woman in her mind.

    Other women become "bitches", or "whores", or whatever. It's the reason some people are so offended by labels - because they can't accumulate labels, they just think that a label is the only definition they will get.

    Which is the definition of superficial : "existing or occurring at or on the surface."

    Without the ability to attain multiple or apply or see multiple labels, everything is superficial to them, and they operate in that world.

    [–]a2abfcd4 11 points12 points  (3 children)

    Well said. But I would go even further. Unless you're alpha, you don't exist to women. Unless you're alpha / 'a man', you're just a disposable pawn in her biological eyes.

    [–]Pushnikov 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    I agree. Not to dig up semantic issues - but you "do exist", as a "pawn". Just a slight discrepancy there. To be used, financially or emotionally, etc, but you still exist to them.

    [–]a2abfcd4 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    True. I meant exist as a dignified human being.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Most men are almost totally invisible anyway. It's very rare a woman will give a man a second look.

    [–]1Jaereth 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    As an actual real life creep, I agree. Women throw that term around way too loosely.

    [–]2RedPillSafe 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Waste Management is the lagest CORPORATELY run garbage collection company now.

    But in the past (and it might still be true in some areas) various Mafia organizations ran these businesses and their low level guys (who might be paid killers) would be picking up garbage. This also made body disposal easier.

    Let's just say I wouldn't badmouth a garbage man and call him "low value".

    The modern garbage trucks use mechanical arms so a woman could do the job these days.

    Women will ideally prefer the "Master of the Universe" with looks, muscle, money and a CEO position, but if they must choose below that level they switch between Alpha Fucks (garbage man) and Beta Bucks (low ranking corporate drone).

    [–]Goldfulgore 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    While men would totally fuck a model that came up through the dumpster

    [–]Gungan_Style 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I think 50 Cent touched on this in 21 Questions: "If I didn't smell so good would you still hug me?" The song by the way, should have a full TRP essay written on it...

    [–]the_red_scimitar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Got it. Become rich, handsome, asshole garbage man.

    [–]WingsnLV 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    I don't know. Garbage men have a pretty good income.

    [–]Yoda7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Some places Yes, some no. In the good places it's not too bad of a job. Just tell people you work for the city.

    [–]Ehcadroj 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    If you ever hear the mother of your son utter the phrase, "I would rather you be gay than a garbage man," seriously, take the time, explain all of this red pill theory to him in an understanding and objective, yet supportive way (you're his father and he's still young), and then, privately, treat her as if she was a gay man.

    [–]1redpillbanana 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    Great test! I could swear I remember reading about something similar, but I can't remember which book I was reading.

    There was an experiment where they told a bunch of single women about this great guy who had all these great supportive and caring characteristics, and the women got really excited about him.

    Then they told the women that he was a garbage man or janitor or some other "low status" profession. They all became visibly disappointed.

    [–]Throw-awy 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Could it be The Great Female Con by Andy Randead? There is a section in the book exactly like what this thread is about. To summarize: the author knows this plastic surgeon that is obscenely rich. When he goes to parties, he tells girls that he is an accountant or some upper middle class job that lets them know he is not poor, but not rich and he can provide a stable middle class life style. He says how the girl loses interest in the conversation, starts looking around and politely breaks away to work the room for a higher earning guy. Later they always find out who he is and what he does and they track him down and won't leave his side. They become a totally different girl. They are are warm, charming, focused just on him and never glancing away to scan the room. Yet the same girl that demonstrated that they are exactly like that; have the gall to tell him they are not like that.

    [–]1redpillbanana 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Definitely not that book since I've never read it, but it sounds like I should put it on my reading list!

    [–]Throw-awy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Honestly, it's an okay read but save yourself $20 because all of the themes of the book can be found here on the right window and this reddit. As an example, that whole chapter that i paraphrased above is called the garbageman test.

    [–]skimdit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Besides the point you made on how SMV trumps women's bs checklists, the term "non-judgmental" is such a crock of shit it doesn't belong on the list. I've even had one chick say that she likes how non-judgmental I am and I was like "YOU KEEP USING THAT WORD! I DO NOT THINK IT MEANS WHAT YOU THINK IT MEANS!" The truth is that I am judgmental as fuck and very outspoken! Anyone who knows me realizes that and many probably hate me for it but will never have the balls to do anything about it. Being judgmental is an alpha trait. Being a non-judgmental accepting little bitch is about as beta as it gets.

    [–]ejpusa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Quite a few garbage men in NYC make 6 figures. And that's cool by me.

    [–]JovianTrainWreck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    of course it's cool by us - we're not women.

    [–]Robert_Walker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    If I were a woman, I imagine I'd find garbagemen attractive as a job for a prospective partner to have.

    They hang off the back of that truck with a cavaleir confidence that would be very attractive, they're active, grabbing shit with no "ew" factor, grabbing bins and lofting them and then back then onto the next on, getting it done working hard and spontaneously. Male comradeship, early mornings, willing to do what many men wouldn't do - it's a manly job and if I were a woman, that's stuff I'd want in a man.

    Nice paycheque wouldn't hurt either. I imagine my women friends would look down on it all a bit, but secretly would figure my garbo husband probably fucks like more of a man than their office-working shirt and tie partners (no office to office workers).

    Oh and no homo (no offence to gay men). Just stuff I can see. Cheers.

    [–]bananashammock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Sometimes posts like this in this sub make me wonder if people really believe this sort of thing or if there are a bunch of deep cover trolls trying to make this sub look bad.

    [–]oxymorphone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I dunno about this. I proudly tell women I'm a steamfitter/welder, and more often than not, they respond positively.

    [–]seiken287 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Garbage guys make a lot of money.

    [–]Ahrius 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    By saying that she wants a man that can handle her shitty nature, it gives her permission to be a shitty person.

    Keeping her in check by maintaining frame and not taking her crap also encourages/forces her to be a better person.

    [–]ChaddeusThunderloins 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    See, this is a part of TRP I don't particularly agree with. We condemn women for being hypergamous and only chasing after guys with high SMV but at the same time we chase after hot, skinny feminine girls and will avoid the hamplanets no matter how "kind and sensitive" they are.

    At the end of the day relationships are purely transactional. Yes, the girl I am with is with me because I'm successful and have a career that has some degree of prestige. If I lost all of that I wouldn't be surprised if she dumped me. Likewise I'm with her because she's smoking hot, the sex is great and frequent and she is a good nurturer and caring, feminine woman. If that changed she shouldn't be surprised if I dump her. This is the ultimate TRP truth - we are with who we are with because of what we are, not who we are.

    [–]evafha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    A garbage man with good musculature, facial structure, and alpha demeanor will outfuck Barack Obama any day.

    [–]2mbillion 5 points6 points  (0 children)




    This goes to third of the triad of what makes a man desirable. There is no amount of power over the garbage trucks or property afforded by driving the garbage trucks that a garbage man can overcome because his station in life lacks prestige

    [–]wafflepizza 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Mike Rowe would like to have a word with you......

    [–]xCUMcoveredDICKx 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    Dude, garbagemen are very essential for society, make good incomes, and it's a very masculine career path for men to take.

    Don't shit on the men that keep our society clean through their hard labor - garbage men are MEN in the full sense of the word.

    [–]MickeyRoarick 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    OP is just looking for a difficult man's job that we are all familiar with in this instance. He could've also said Lumberjack or Earthmover

    [–]1tombreck2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It's similar to the bluepill methodology that we were all taught as well; nice, caring guys are a catch and deserve the best women.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    "I'm really not that bothered if a man doesn't dress that well" ... if he's hot. "My sort of man is loving, sensitive, caring and always there for me" ... if he's hot. "I'm not shallow, he doesn't need to be some adonis" ... if he's hot.


    Always remember: it's assumed the man is already attractive before she describes what else she likes in him.

    [–]j0nsc0tt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Did you really have to trademark it?

    [–]MajorMalaka75 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Garbage men in Chicagoland make close to 6 figures with overtime. "Low value" my ass.

    [–]ConfidenceMatters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Dude come on. Do you honestly expect women to behave towards low valued dudes the exact same way that they act & feel in the presence of valuable/powerful men?

    Do you feel the same way towards a fatty as when you speak to an incredibly hot girl?

    There's no point in reminding or getting booty-hurt towards female hypergamy/irrational behavior. Best thing to do is apply your knowledge and take full advantage/exploit their hardwiring and have fun.

    [–]NewGuyC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It's so funny that i read this now.. I'm 21 years old atm. I just had this excat situation.. She kissed a guy, talks with me about, calling me sweet and well she literally told me i was friendzoned but before that part it really makes sence..

    I'm so fucking done with it holy fuck. Thank you for this glorious and insightfull post. I love you.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Im not a "garbage man" but I am a scrapper. ...and I'm single.

    [–]dardanmm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I always love those kinds of kinds of excuses "I'm not usually like this" "I don't usually do this"

    [–]SikPon11 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Women DO want all of those things, just in a high value guy.

    The high value goes without saying to them. (As it should).

    Its like a guy saying he ideally wants a girlfriend that is a virgin. What he doesn't say (but is implied), is that he wants this virgin to be good looking. I'm sure ugly virgins are plentiful (virgins for a reason), but he doesn't want them.

    Women want a guy that embodies alpha & beta traits.

    [–]jmottram08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Women DO want all of those things, just in a high value guy.

    Not really.

    They don't want a sensitive guy. They think they do, but they really don't. Same with non-judgemental. (what they really mean is very judgemental, but values that she passes)

    [–]shooter212 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I like but maybe add looks in.... Ugly Garbage Man Test ?

    [–]helpyaboy2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I've learned that in most situations, women want the opposite of what they say, although some finally wise up realize things.

    I want a caring guy---> A guy who doesn't show too many emotions

    [–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I want a caring guy---> A guy who doesn't show too many emotions

    It seems like it works like this:
    1. She only goes for guys who don't show to many emotions
    2. She does miss that the guys aren't sometimes more emotional
    3. So she complains that she wants a caring guy
    4. Reality is, she does want a caring guy. She just wants a guy who both doesn't care and does care at the same time.

    It's like - I want a girl with big firm boobs, and also small perky boobs at the same time. It's true, I want both. It's just more obvious that having both is impossible and contradictory.

    Your point is great though, I'm just trying to expand on it - usually what women complain about is what they actually go for.

    [–]strivingforfreedom 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Of course this doesn't apply to the best garbage men in the game.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The legend that is Keith David.

    [–]through_a_ways 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    And indeed, no one is against support or care. No one hates a caring human. But the reality is that these factors simply aren't valued either. They're irrelevant to whether or not you get sex.

    Except that the right amount of lack of care is a proxy for unavailability, which is attractive to women, when compared to availability.

    [–]renegade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    There's a lot of good thought and philosophy of life contained in TRP principles, but sometimes it is just "Shallow men bitching about shallow women." too ;-)

    [–]etcomro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Did this after I saw it with a couple of my female friends last night.. the results were pure comedy.

    [–]cherrypoptart27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    "can handle my sarcastic nature! derp!", etc

    SarcasmTM - helping women who are uncomfortable with being feminine find a new way to say "cunty" since '03.