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[–][deleted] 148 points149 points  (3 children)

So she's upset because no guys offered to pay her cover to get into the bar and the photographer didn't want to take pictures of her. No one made fun of her or was otherwise mean to her but she feels mistreated because she didn't get the same treatment that her attractive friends got.

This is a great example of how entitled women are. By "be nicer to ugly girls" what she really means is "treat ugly girls like they're attractive."

[–]NotReallyEthicalLOL 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Women say men are entitled and yet they act like men owe them sexual attraction.

[–]Menadian 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"This is why i need feminism"... or what guys ;)?

[–]t21spectre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"treat ugly girls like they're attractive."

I may not look like Ryan Gosling or have his wealth, status or fame, but dammit...

I wanna be treated just like he is!!!!!!111!1

Muh Feelz!!!

[–]2asd1100 97 points98 points  (10 children)

That is how modern oppression looks like: not having priviledge.

That is what feminist complain about. They want all the privilege, unconditional, unlimited and continuous.

[–]redpillta 41 points42 points  (1 child)

“When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.” ― Thomas Sowell

[–]bat_mayn 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Seriously. Whenever women complain about not getting respect pro brono because they're fat, or not attractive, or some other social injustice bullshit - they are literally complaining about what it's like to be a man.

I'm sorry you don't like being a man. Maybe you should stop asking for the right to be just like men, because you will not like the outcome.

[–]MrMagwitch 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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[–]2asd1100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but that is the great part about being a woman, you get to pick and choose priviledge and complain and brush of responsibility. As the saying goes, "you can be whatever you want to be".

[–]humankin 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Feminists say that men are upset with feminism because they see losing their male privilege as being oppressed.

Yet more evidence that feminist "oppression" is always projection.

[–]brotherjustincrowe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is why they've resorted to just making shit up. "Rape culture" and the pay gap have both been debunked. Though feminists would probably call that "pro-patriarchy propaganda" if they could (and if they liked the alliteration).

Just for fun, find your average feminist screed and Ctrl-F on "patriarchy" to replace it with "Jews." It's good for a laugh.

[–]through_a_ways 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Kids fight for more privilege, but are ultimately better off with little of it.

Individual women fight for more privilege, but are individually better off with little of it.

Feminism fights for more legally mandated female privilege, but women as a whole are better off with little of it (see the Netherlands, divorce rates in 1900 - 1960 America, etc.)

[–]2asd1100 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think laws should not be projective, you can not have anticipate effects. You can only try to be fair and have a minimal intervention.

[–]themastadon89 378 points379 points  (33 children)

I bet this is the same ugly women that would not give a ugly guy the time or day.

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 212 points213 points  (8 children)

Bingo. I'm willing to bet half my commission check this month that, if she really, really wanted to, she could have gotten the phone numbers of at least 3 or 4 men in (what I presume to be) a crowded nightclub. Her problem is that, even though she self-admits to being ugly/low SMV, she still won't lower her standards to her own level on the scale. If she's a 4 or a 5, she still won't settle for less than a 6 or 7 guy. There were probably thirsty/desperate men who paid cover to get in that club who would have given her attention, but those guys are, as we know, invisible to her.

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    [–]DisciplesofStPatrice 49 points50 points  (5 children)

    Dude, this exactly what I was thinking, being that she is a fat mess, she needs to lower her asking price and get rid of some of her dignity.

    Why would a guy spend $100 on something when it's only worth $20.

    Fuck That.

    [–]1exit_sandman 15 points16 points  (3 children)

    being that she is a fat mess

    No, according to her post, it's more that she's a butterface, which admittedly is a lot worse than being a fat mess because there's nothing you can do about it.

    [–]dawg826 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Those butterfaces get real blurry when alcohol is involved. The fat body doesn't though.

    [–]Areimanes 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    I've seen butterfaces with stunning (gym)bodies and great personalities (genuine, nice, caring). They start to wear on you and I could see myself settling down with one.

    On the flip side, I've also seen butterfaces with stunning bodies and a shitty personality/princess attitude.

    I'm willing to bet that in the story of OP she's in the latter category.

    [–]1exit_sandman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Depends on what you consider a butterface, because it covers pretty much everything from "mediocre to unattractive" to "hideous", and judging from the girl's story, she seems to be closer to the latter than to the former.

    [–]IProbablyHaveEbola 119 points120 points  (22 children)

    Her OkCupid profile probably says no guys under 6'

    [–]Gabe6678 67 points68 points  (21 children)

    Agreed. Low SMV women will demand that they be treated like they're hot shit, but the second some low SMV male hits on them, he's a creep and doesn't deserve her.

    [–]jmg83 56 points57 points  (17 children)

    A friend of mine was recently complaining that a lot of the guys who contact her on dating websites are bald. She herself is a unemployed single mother, yet she's dismissing these guys because of something they had absolutely no control over, after all, who'd choose to lose their hair if they had a choice? In her defence, she's quite hot, but her standards make me think "Seriously?". She also made some snide remark about some guy being a loser because he's nearly 30 and in a band. I didn't understand how that make him a loser.

    [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 63 points64 points  (5 children)

    Of all of the "post wall" women out there, I find single mothers to be among the most deluded of them all. Being a single mother is about a -3 point reduction in the SMV scale. Even a "9" with a kid (if that's even possible r.e. - stretch marks) gets demoted to a "6" for most self-respecting men.

    But in her eyes, she's still the same hot shit she used to be when she was 22, tight body, and had no kids. She still has no problem finding Alpha cads who want to fuck her, so she sadly has a distorted sense of self worth in the SMP. She rationalizes that because Alphas will fuck her, that she must still be "relationship" material for those higher caliber men.

    Only after a few years of single motherhood does she realize that the only men that will commit to her are the beta shlub losers who would rather have a "better looking" single mom than an uglier woman with no kids. They are easy pump and dumps for alpha men, but beta consolation prizes when it comes to LTR material, but they sadly never realize it.

    [–]1independentmale 46 points47 points  (3 children)

    beta consolation prizes when it comes to LTR material, but they sadly never realize it.

    That's the saddest thing about it. There are hoards of completely average betas out there who would love that bitch forever. Any one of them would put her and her children on pedestals, take care of their financial needs and treat them all like royalty - to his own detriment, even. He would sacrifice his life for her.

    All she has to do is be nice to the guy, treat him like she loves him and throw him a pity fuck a couple times a month. That's it, and yet she can't even be bothered to do that.

    [–]vapeh0le 17 points18 points  (1 child)

    She'd have to give up her precious victim status as well.

    [–]1exit_sandman 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Reminds me of that article of that former single mom who resented that everyone treated her husband like a saint and said that she was so lucky to have him, and insisted that he was lucky as well to have her (and her son).

    [–]busior 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Your post sums up current dating scene. Either you're hot shit and you fuck lots of chicks, single or not - doesn't matter for them. Or you're pathetic beta-cuckold.

    [–]jmg83 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    At 25/26, she's not quite past it yet. Not a bad body, either. I've nothing against single mothers on principle, it's just that I find her overly-high standards to be baffling. Her last boyfriend was a really nice guy. Kind of a nerd, and a wuss, but I liked him. Her mother and her brother (who is one of my best friends) approved of this dude, too.

    [–]MysterManager 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    She has child baggage even if she is a 10 that knocks off 5 points for me, maybe more, I have been married ten years but when I was single I had a solid rule that I would fuck a woman with kids but never have a relationship with one. If I am going to raise kids they are going to have my bloodline. I work with a guy who is raising three kids that aren't his, ironically he is bald and has a creepy personality.

    [–]jmg83 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Suppose you didn't have to have much to do with the kid beside talking to them occasionally. Would you get into a relationship with a woman with a kid, then? or what if the father was dead rather than absent, which means there's no room for suspecting the woman of making a terrible life choice?

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      [–]jmg83 15 points16 points  (6 children)

      I don't get that kind of attitude. Some people think that hobbies are useless unless they become lucrative. What's wrong with music for music's sake?

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        [–]jmg83 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        See, that's a good attitude. You do this stuff because you love it, which is the best possible reason to do something, not because you think they're gonna make you super rich.

        I won't lie, most of my spare time is spent reading. I should do more physical activity.

        [–]1exit_sandman 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        What's wrong with music for music's sake?

        Probably because being in a band is a pretty time-intensive hobby if you do it seriously. It's perceived as charming if you do it at 20 and are passionate about it, but immature if you still do it at 30.

        [–]jmg83 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        And what would be a socially acceptable way for a person of that age to pass the time? Living vicariously though some sports team?

        [–]1exit_sandman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I was just speculating about how these guys are perceived.

        [–]jmg83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        No, I'm not arguing with you, I'm just wondering what goes through the heads of people who say stuff like this.

        [–]Hoodwink 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        She also made some snide remark about some guy being a loser because he's nearly 30 and in a band. I didn't understand how that make him a loser.

        There's three reasons I posit.

        1. The phrase 'I'm in a band' is a teenage/early twenties introductory pick-up line. She feels she's evolved from that point like all women post-wall. She needs to laugh at the lesser evolved forms of sexual pickup. (This is something that seems to happen, but I don't think I've ever read about it on red-pill. It seems like women need to make fun of their younger selves or other women's decisions on how to date/sex all the time. Perhaps, it's just a 'look at me - I'm so much better'.)

        2. The majority of musicians are poor. Salesmen live 'feast or famine', musicians live 'get-by or famine'.

        3. She's seeking beta. And I guess she wants a beta with hair.

        [–]17 Endorsed Contributortrudatness 19 points20 points  (2 children)

        Young women are jackasses. As you get older you figure it out. It's always all about them.

        The whole TRP mantra is based on you being in control over your situation and transforming yourself into an uncommon property so when these selfish little hate machines run their game you can just laugh at them because there's 5 or 10 right behind them willing to take their place.

        This is the only way you can ever win the game against women. If you play the game on their terms you'll end up servile and miserable 100 out of 100 times. It's just the way shit breaks down.

        Hopefully in your travels you'll meet one that's near unicorn status that you can have a halfway interesting conversation with, has her shit together mentally and emotionally and likes having sex with you.

        Finding the right girl can reduce your difficulty level, but through it all you need to never get complacent and rest on your laurels - because AWALT.

        Don't get stuck in the endless cycle of being disgruntled. Look in the mirror and recognize where the blame lies. Don't get mad at the rain. Get mad at yourself for not bringing an umbrella. Don't expect them to not be selfish and myopic - you'll be perpetually disappointed because that's just the way they are.

        Don't get frustrated at the 4s that demand 7s, just ignore them and don't pay for their cover or drinks or whatever else they think they're entitled to. Do your own fucking thing and live life on your terms.

        Have self discipline and self determination. Work hard and never be beholden to anyone else for your happiness. Don't let life dictate to you, dictate to life.

        If you do it right then your personal happiness with remain independent of the actions of others - and that includes women.

        /Thread

        /Subreddit

        [–]TestosteroneFilled 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        You can't /thread with your own comment brah.

        [–]Jessie_James 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Exactly, what did she do for the guys who paid for her to get in? No thanks, no dance, no conversation?

        [–]x_1 45 points46 points  (2 children)

        She makes no mention of the low-SMV guys at the club that were invisible to her. It's a two-way street, honey.

        [–]Nerf_Circus 27 points28 points  (1 child)

        ...or how many men she introduced herself to. I'm gonna guess it was none.

        [–]LineOfCoke 16 points17 points  (0 children)

        Obviously. She was too busy being a victim to have a good time.

        [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 91 points92 points  (34 children)

        She expected to get into the club for free because she's a girl

        Not only this. She expected the whole night to be free. Drinks included. In fact they all did. They didn't even have enough money on them to cover entry for more than two people. I will usually have at least ten times the amount of money on me when going out.

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 32 points33 points  (5 children)

        I never use my card to run a tab at a bar. Cash only. I've had bartender friends (both male and female) freely admit to me that they will pad a tab to increase their tip. Especially guys, because guys are usually too proud to ask how much a beer/cocktail costs before ordering one. He doesn't wanna look cheap in front of girls.

        [–]omglazers 8 points9 points  (3 children)

        I wonder about this when out at bars. As someone who doesn't carry cash ever. On the other hand, if you pay cash and he overcharges you to your up face, what then? Not paying for alcohol based on price makes you look weak or cheap.

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 30 points31 points  (2 children)

        If he overcharges me on the first drink, I can limit the damages to one drink. If I run a tab on a credit card, I don't find out until I close the tab that I just got bent over the bar and assraped.

        Don't get me wrong, I actually like places with higher-priced drinks. Higher class women and the high booze prices keep the thug trash out. But if I'm gonna pay high prices, I wanna make sure I'm getting my money's worth.

        [–]omglazers 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        All in all I think I agree. Plus cash looks better anyway. It's easy to flush money with it every being seen but for some people it is only good if it's done with some peacocking of some kind. The end result doesn't matter to some as much as their social perception because of it.

        [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Then there's also the "walk of shame" the next day if you found some tail, left the bar with her, and forgot to close your tab and get your credit card back the night before. Guilty as charged.

        [–]LineOfCoke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        An American thing.its hilarious when you go to other countries and you see guys buying pretty girls the cheapest shit at the bar.

        [–]IProbablyHaveEbola 71 points72 points  (4 children)

        My guess is it was free cover night for ladies but the doorman had instructions to make the uggos pay hoping they would go elsewhere. No club wants to be known as the one with all the hags. Her whole group was fuglies probably. She was just the quasimotto of the group.

        [–]ruboski 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Why wouldn't they bring money for drinks though?

        [–]MisterParty 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Might have just been cash vs. credit cards.

        [–]ruboski 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Ah I didn't even consider that, my bad.

        [–]iStillEatSnakes 20 points21 points  (1 child)

        I've played the game. Spent way too much money for next to no results. I don't ever pay for a woman's drinks unless she is a) related to me and i know she'll repay b) i'm DATING her (she is cool and mutial attraction--no BS). Otherwise pay your for your own shit.

        Been working as a bouncer for the past year and reading TRP for about as long. Went from a sniveling beta to a lower alpha. There is no better cure for pedestalizibg pussy than seeing girls at their worst and getting to throw them out (forcibly or otherwise) for their shit behavior. A lot of the TRP theory that is openly discussed here I knew on instinct, but rejected it due to political corectness, media, girls are nice (tm).

        Story time: 2 weekends ago we were short on guys so the manager put me on the back door by the patio where ppl usualy try to sneak in w/o being carded. It was around midnight and I was hungry so I take out my power bar; at the same time a group of 4 women come toward me to be let out. The first 3 are out no problem, 4th still has a drink--i tell her she needs to finish it or throw it out, but she can't leave with it (mind you, i was being very polite and smiling). She throws a hissy fit, calls me a Nazi. Que stone face: NO. She stands there for 15sec finishing her drink and then asks me for a bite of my power bar. LOLz, again: NO. Year ago I'd have been torn about letting her out with the drink and would have given her a bite.

        For reference, they were hanging out on the patio so her drink was in a plastic cup--glassware is given in the inside bars. So she was not trying to leave with our shit.

        Thank you TRP, stay classy.

        [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        I am actually thinking about looking for a job as a bouncer once week or so besides my main career for self-educational and -improvement purposes.

        Anyways thanks for sharing.

        [–]heart-cooks-brain 4 points5 points  (18 children)

        Fyi, when a woman hears there is no cover, she doesn't bring cash for the door, but can still pay for her drinks with a card at the bar.

        [–]IProbablyHaveEbola 13 points14 points  (3 children)

        It's too bad there isn't some computerized device that could dispense cash to banking customers at all hours of the day/night. Someone should get on that asap!

        [–]XChiliPepperX 10 points11 points  (2 children)

        Yes, some sort of automated teller machine. Brilliant! We're gonna be rich!

        [–]IProbablyHaveEbola 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Naw, on second thought it's a waste of time. No one would be interested.

        [–]XChiliPepperX 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Right. Total waste of time.

        Now the profits can be all mine! Mwahaha!

        [–]VelociReactor 25 points26 points  (1 child)

        <implying attractive women actually pay for their own drinks on a night out...

        Hahahaha

        [–]kovu159 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Make them buy you drinks. Boom, attractive girls buying drinks.

        [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        So you cannot pay the cover with a card, if you can pay drinks with it? I don't know about US club culture, but this wouldn't happen where I live. You would also always have an ATM anywhere near to get some cash here.

        [–]heart-cooks-brain 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Literally every bar/club in the US takes cards at the bar, but only a few of them take cards at the door. And atms are not always around. Most bars don't have atms right there in their doorway.

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          [–]ExpendableOne 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          There is no excuse for anyone, even a woman, not to bring money with them when they go out. Most bars/nightclubs only take cash(mostly for tips, because it's under the table and because they don't have time to take out a debit machine every time some drunk patron wants drinks). As a general rule of thumb, there is no reason why an adult should ever even leave the house without some money/cash on them, or the means to get some(like a bank near by or on the way). Even if you are going to be completely stingy and plan on not spending anything, you should still have money on you. Not wait for guys to pay for you or feel entitled to their offers(which also takes it for granted and is completely disrespectful). If you're going to be that much of a scumbag, and a burden to the group, you should at the very least be prepared to go somewhere else(a place that doesn't charge cover or where you can go freeload).

          [–]dodgyasfuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I'm sorry that my reply here doesn't add anything to what you said. I just wanted to echo your thoughts completely.

          Equality is an important thing. They have it now. They need to fucking act like it.

          [–]skoobled 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          Useful piece of info. Counter to the idea that they expected a free ride all night - they make a point of mentioning cash for cover...

          [–]heart-cooks-brain 7 points8 points  (2 children)

          Implying card for drinks. Notice she didn't get bent out of shape when her drinks weren't paid for. Just that she and her friends were caught off guard when there was a cover at the bar when they were under the impression there was not one.

          [–]skoobled 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          I buy this wrt reasonable doubt. Let's try not to stick the knife in unnecessarily without clear info

          [–]dodgyasfuck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This is not a sentiment I would expect to see expressed in twoX. This is why they suck, and we don't.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Funk yes. I can't even get a free sip of water at a club. It's like $10 for a small bottle.

          [–]ruboski 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I know too many girls that do this, they'll bring no money at all to the club and even expect a guy to pay for a cab for the to get home.

          [–]Gold_Leaf_Initiative 29 points30 points  (5 children)

          Honestly I'd rather dance or chat with someone interesting and in a positive mood than a pretty ice queen.

          During her whole "he was dancing with me" part she never once says that she tried to smile at him, joke with him, touch him...it's just..."Why isn't he instantly attracted to me?"

          I personally like when women at least offer some indicators of interest.

          [–]ch4os1337 8 points9 points  (3 children)

          I personally like when women at least offer some indicators of interest.

          Me too but you gotta be lucky.

          They like when you do all the work and like trying to figure out if your interested in them.

          [–]Gold_Leaf_Initiative 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Yup. I don't have all the information, but I did get that sense from the original post. It was presented like, "this guy is failing to trip over himself to get to me despite me not making my interest known in any way" and I feel like if she knew how to flirt or smile better she'd have more success in pulling the man she wants.

          [–]LineOfCoke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You gotta be lucky. I went to a job interview the other day and had some fat girl rubbing her belly all up on me.

          [–]Menadian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Exactly! If she is inactive and boring of couse the guy dancing with her will be looking for a better chance to leave her.

          [–]duglock 44 points45 points  (7 children)

          I called her out in that thread for the same thing and caught a lot of hell for it. The sense of entitlement was mind-blowing.

          [–]cuntbh 19 points20 points  (4 children)

          Someone posted on here the other day that you should use different accounts to post on TRP to the rest of Reddit, because TRP is pretty hated, and if they see that you post here, they're not gonna listen to a word you have to say.

          After all, that's how feminism/SJWs work, right? It's not about what you have to say, it's about who you are saying it.

          [–]10J18R1A 5 points6 points  (3 children)

          I've had comments in completely unrelated subreddits attempt to be invalidated because I'm a "red pill boy", followed by the standard white knighting, feminazied kids wildly misrepresenting the majority of the group.

          [–]cuntbh 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Exactly. I've just started switching to a different account for non-RP stuff. Someone pointed out that Reddit Enhancement Suite has an account switching feature- up to this point, I hadn't bothered with it.

          [–]10J18R1A 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It's the last desperate grasp of people who can't debate a topic on its merit. The ones who drop to that weren't listening anyway, and the ones capable of critical thinking will look at the discussion directly.

          I get why people would switch accounts to not have to deal with bs, I just can't be bothered.

          [–]Menadian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          There is no such thing as a "red pill boy". Only men are red pill

          [–]kellykebab 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Where did you catch hell? Your comment received 2 points and no replies.

          [–]w_t_f_1 23 points24 points  (8 children)

          I'm sorry, not a typical commentator or reader of this sub and stumbled upon from other locations but I feel compelled to add:

          "People are so mean to ugly men. Please be kinder, Reddit"

          Imagine if that had been posted instead?

          [–]cuntbh 15 points16 points  (1 child)

          Oh, but ugly men deserve it. They don't have vaginas, so they should be treated worse. They should be expected to work full time in order to get their salary, and if they separate from their partner, God forbid he be so stringy as to expect her not to live off of him and scrounge for the rest of her life!

          [–]through_a_ways 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Oh, but ugly men deserve it. They don't have vaginas, so they should be treated worse.

          This is actually biologically true, IMO. We all know that men want to fuck women more than vice versa, because females of all species put more energy into reproduction.

          However, I think there is something very base in our genetic code which gets passed on to offspring of both genders. Even though females may not be as sexually attracted to females as males are, I think there is a little vestigial bit of sex drive for most girls, which also translates to the emotional welfare (feeling sorry for them) that men naturally have toward women.

          [–]lm_Brian 11 points12 points  (2 children)

          What would such a person be sobbing about?

          -The club made me pay to enter and nobody would give me free money to get in? Everyone would say he is feeling unreasonably entitled and if he is going out he should know to bring money.

          -No girls would approach me and noone wanted to dance with me? Everyone would say he needs to take charge of his life and approach girls, and that he can't expect to get anything just sitting around and hoping.

          -The girls I approached rejected me, or only gave a half-hearted dances and left? "You think you're entitled to get sex from strangers? You sexist pig! How dare you try to talk to girls who aren't interested, that's sexual harassment!" or if he's very lucky: "You should work on making yourself look better and dressing fashionably etc etc"

          [–]brotherjustincrowe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Don't approach = sissy coward.

          Do approach = gross creep.

          [–]Day_C_Metrollin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          This post is spot on and every single one of those hypocritical arguments would have reared their heads. God forbid if the poster was a white hetero male

          [–]LineOfCoke 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          I don't want or need anyone's pitty. Its a mark of pride to make your way in the cold world. Its what makes men hard. I view it as a good thing.

          [–]TestosteroneFilled 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          "I'm not ugly. God just wanted me to live the world in hard mode."

          [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

          The photographer is just trying to do his job, probably told by management to get pictures of hot girls. This was the only example of somewhat being mean.

          Everything else is just her expecting to be treated as an attractive woman but not getting the treatment. As a guy I guarantee you that if I didn't have cash to get into a club, no random chick is ever gonna come and pay for me, why would I expect this? Same with the dance floor, as a low SMV male no girls will even look at me.

          But I would never complain about it, instead keep raising my SMV and focus on becoming a better person.

          If she didn't have such high expectations and went to the club with a typical guys attitude, it'd go something like:

          Wow, awesome, I didn't have any cash but my friend paid for me!

          Cool, a girl came up and danced with me for 10 minutes!

          I got a free drink, and I didn't have to spend a shit ton of money!

          A photographer actually took some pictures of me in it!

          [–]robot-b 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          This was the only example of somewhat being mean.

          I don't think it even happened. These stories always have some embellishing, my guess is she was asked to move out of one photo after trying to get in on lots of different ones or something similar

          [–]3kempff 34 points35 points  (0 children)

          Yes, man, the Pill is dissolving inside, and permeating you.

          To add to your observations: Did you notice that everything that happened was always automatically about her?

          Thanks for the chuckle. While I was reading, this poignant piece of music was going through my mind: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VeHAKL1ic_Q

          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 98 points99 points  (46 children)

          Fuck being kinder, how about you make more of an effort with your appearance and get some work done? Being kinder is not how the world works love, becoming better and stronger is how you get what you want, not expecting everyone else to lower their standards. Women subs are a good circlejerk, it's just unending sympathy, validation and support no matter what she thinks, says or does.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorDownvoteToDisagree[S] 53 points54 points  (38 children)

          Counterpoint: she does say that she does her best at makeup and clothing, but if she is truly "ugly," then there's only so much she can do as a girl, SMV-wise.

          As a guy, we are judged stringently but based on a wide array of variables that we have control over--how successful, charismatic, well-dressed, clever, confident, and pre-selected we seem. Men don't face as much of a hard cap that women do.

          [–]1 Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 63 points64 points  (21 children)

          there's only so much she can do as a girl, SMV-wise

          She could at least become a butterface. A tiny ass in a sexy dress with some high-heels will make up for many facial flaws.

          [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 53 points54 points  (17 children)

          A hot body with a so-so face works for me. A hot face on a fat girl, not so much. Homely and heavy, yeah right.

          [–]Endorsed ContributortrpSenator 41 points42 points  (2 children)

          A hot body on a chick goes such a long way. I was talking with another EC yesterday about how ridiculous this is. Women just need to not be fat to have a decent SMV. Literally, that's it. Don't be fat, and guys will want to fuck you.

          [–]the10thrider 15 points16 points  (1 child)

          Average women go up a lot of notches when they eat and dress well, especially if she's got good taste.

          I said this exact thing the other day and got downvoted. High standards much fellas?

          [–]Ferelden 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          It's all herd mentality dude

          [–]InscrutablePUA 6 points7 points  (13 children)

          Lol where have you seen a hot face on a fat girl?

          [–]BrunoOh 47 points48 points  (2 children)

          Behold the power of the myspace angle.

          [–]regal1989 12 points13 points  (1 child)

          I shit you not, that abgle has serious power. A friend of mine showed me 2 pictures. The 1st one looked a little chubby, a bit below my standards, the second one was full length, far away and had normal sized people for scale. She was full on landwhale status complete with fupa and 3 chins. I couldn't believe the power of angles. It's like beer goggles on crack, and the fatter a girl is, the better she is at using them.

          [–]Dillett7799 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          That's why when I'm playing drunk tinder, face shots are an auto-nope

          [–]alclarkey 21 points22 points  (0 children)

          I've seen obese girls with nice faces. Regardless of how nice their face is though, when the fat rolls come out, the blood flow to the penis recedes. Butterfaces, on the other hand can just do doggy style, no blood flow problems.

          [–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Occasionally, not morbidly obese, but more fat than she should have. One of the girls working at my VA was super hot when she started working there, former military herself. Then she got knocked up and for the last three years she has had a pretty face on a fat body. It's a tragesty, tragic and a travesty all rolled into one. After a certain point their face goes to hell, no doubt.

          [–]Ormild 6 points7 points  (4 children)

          I'm surprised you haven't seen overweight woman that have nice faces. I seen plenty of them around and at the gym and think, "if she slimmed down she would be the best looking girl in most rooms."

          [–]Strangeclouds420 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          Maybe that's why she hasn't slimmed down either, it's a paradox honestly. Alot of girls are fine with settling or having just enough when it comes to physical maintenance of the body. With her pretty face you can be sure she still getting enough attention to keep her out of overdrive when it comes to raising her beauty to a competitive level.

          [–]LineOfCoke 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Men too. Who wants to be working out and eating salads when you could be eating whatever and doing whatever, all you have to do is maintain a comfortable bare minimum.

          [–]humankin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          It's a little sad to see a pretty face wasted in obesity, leaving her sadder and the men she's with less content.

          [–]LineOfCoke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It happens a lot with Latinas. Not so much with white girls. They get Jabba The Hutt pretty quickly.

          [–]MrMagwitch 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          .

          [–]mythrowawaybruh 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          hold up. tiny ass? nah man. Now a big butt without a good looking face, I can get behind.

          [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Girls with hot bodies but ugly faces are why the good Lord blessed us with doggystyle and light switches.

          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 19 points20 points  (8 children)

          I agree with you whole heartedly. That's why I said "get work done" aka cosmetic surgery. Women are basically defined by their beauty for better or for worse.

          [–]Xiamon 5 points6 points  (7 children)

          I'm not sure why this is being downvoted. I suppose there's something of a stigma around getting surgery, even among men. Perhaps some men see it as a females way of lieing about her genes, much like a man who learns to be Alpha, instead of having the right genetics. Most of the sexiest women in media have at least some work done though, to make themselves look unnaturally youthful: collagen injections in their lips, the newest facial techniques, face lifts, boob jobs, laser hair removal, mole removal, the list goes on and on.

          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 18 points19 points  (6 children)

          I remember that story going around about the Chinese guy who got a divorce from his wife because she had children with him and they were ugly as sin. Turns out she was like a 1 or 2 out of 10 and had about 50k worth of surgery to become an 8 or 9. His kids were so ugly he thought she had cheated on him with another man, turns out she hadn't, but the ugly genes were her own.

          [–]2Axotl 9 points10 points  (3 children)

          I remember that as well! http://i.imgur.com/GTR5MU1.jpg The family in question. It just makes you laugh.

          [–]humankin 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          Isn't that like a cosmetic surgery ad?

          [–]2Axotl 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          It very likely is, the story is old.

          [–]wuy3 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          sorry to break it to you, but the story was confirmed fake. Totally believable though.

          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Who even cares enough to make that shit up? I believe you. Just seems like a grand waste of time to engage in such an escapade.

          [–]MrMagwitch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          .

          [–]ExpendableOne 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          many of those things aren't really under a man's direct control(more circumstances, really) and you're still ignoring height, genetics, face, etc.

          [–]enriquex 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          All that stuff does for a man though is get you through the door easier. In other words, being 5'7 some girls wont give me the time of day at a club, no matter what. But if they give me a shot then all the other attributes come into play and I might as well be 6'3.

          Protip: get shredded as fuck. girls like being 'smaller' than guys so if you're strong as shit and can throw them around it doesn't matter if they're slightly taller.

          [–]ExpendableOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          not necessarily. I work out and still had girls make being one inch taller than me an absolute deal breaker despite the fact that I could easily throw them around.

          [–]UnpluggedMaestro -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          There is always this thing called cosmetic surgery. All hail modern medicine!

          [–]ch4os1337 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          it's just unending sympathy, validation and support no matter what she thinks, says or does.

          This is a fact I found out for myself just yesterday. I've never seen a bigger genuine circlejerk. I'm all for empathy and understanding where people are coming from but they go too far with accepting bad behavior.

          It's not like /r/depression where you are dealing with people who are honest about their problems and want help, it makes total sense to have sympathy but they just want validation for being cunts.

          [–]ioncloud9 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          By ugly I dont think she means just hideous looking, I think she means fat. She probably doesnt want to admit it either since women admitting to themselves they are fat makes them feel bad and eat more.

          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          If someone is ugly because they're fat they should know what they've got to do to fix it.

          [–]ioncloud9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Of course they should.. That doesn't mean they want to think about it or even consider doing it.

          [–]cuntbh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          She claims to be in better shape than most of her friends... so skinnyfat, not full out fat.

          [–]jmg83 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          Get some work done? That might only make things worse. Best case scenario is if she's as ugly as she says, it will be a futile waste of money. The other day, I bumped into an old friend from high school, and I was shocked to see she'd done something to her lips. She looked...weird.

          [–]MartialWay -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          There is a reason people don't like using anecdotes as evidence.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Swan_(TV_series)

          Huge differences for every contestant, and one girl from a 3 to a 9.5 (you would have to see it to believe it). There are right and wrong ways to do it, but plenty of people get big results. It's a gazillion dollar industry for a reason.

          Also, the number one reason for a young woman in America to be unattractive is being overweight. She's likely just a fat girl who could be pretty through her 20s if she chose to put in the work.

          [–]he-man_rules 20 points21 points  (4 children)

          I just want to see how ugly she is because from the sound of it I assume she looks like bigfoot's big toe

          [–]a_nus 12 points13 points  (2 children)

          She must be a fucking monster in the face, especially if what she says about "being in better shape than most women her age" is true.

          [–]denart4 12 points13 points  (1 child)

          Probably a lie she tells herself so she can stay fat. If a girl is in shape (read as "not fat") she is easely a 6 or 7.

          [–]igotbeatbydre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          This is so true. It's pretty rare to find a girl who is inherently ugly. She would pretty much have to gave some type of gross physical deformity or disgusting hygiene. Almost any inshape girl can be at least a 5 or 6 with the right make up and dress

          [–]jmg83 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          Hot women really do get everything handed to them on a plate, which is why I feel sorry for plain women. Once, a friend of mine went to apply for a job in a bar, and the manager outright told her he wasn't hiring. She had another girl with her who I know, who is, by most people's reckoning, hot. The manager dude, asked her if she was looking for a job. My friend was fucking furious, and I don't blame her, the same thing has happened to me before, and I'm a dude. The other girl, the hot one, takes everything for granted.

          [–]1chivalry_augustus 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          I've never known anybody be particularly unkind to ugly women. That is not to say that there are not incidents in which people are unkind to ugly women, but the problem with the essay written here is that any special privilege afforded to attractive women, which generally exceeds the norm by some considerable distance, is considered as unkindness and a slight when not also afforded to less attractive or ugly women. This is something that we, as men, cannot relate to, having rarely been offered any kind of special privilege. The maximum we are given as a special privilege is the privilege of dying for the sake of everybody else when it comes to war.

          Hence, it is important to see that this is just another strategy by a less attractive woman to increase her attention level. There is no unkindness as such, what she is saying in a roundabout way is 'please be as kind to ugly women as you are to attractive women', while providing no logical basis for this argument. It doesn't matter whether she's a hypocrite or not for not giving ugly men the time of day. It is important that a woman like this be made aware that there should not be any special privilege afforded to any individual woman simply for being a woman. If she was able to provide value to other people, she would be afforded certain special privileges anyway by virtue of said value - this is true of anybody if they are capable of offering something.

          Threads like this often get caught up in a fervour, in a steam, in a haste of their own momentum, where they reinforce an idea of all 'ugly' women being trampled on and treated like third-class citizens, being insulted or picked on on a daily basis, yet it's rare that actual examples of this materialise. I know ugly women, or else women who are not as attractive as others, and they are generally treated very well, have personalities that exceed the norm for their sex, and have a series of well-intentioned male friends and/or father-figures who look after them, who are really no different to your typical white knights orbiting around any given female.

          The dynamic is not all that different, this is just typical female propaganda, full of spewed emotions, a scream for attention. Sometimes, women just feel ugly, and when they feel ugly, they feel like they've got to talk about it. And when they talk about it, it's basically another series of ways in which men need to be better so that they can feel better about themselves. In fact, shouldn't the thread be titled "Men are just so mean to ugly women. Please be kinder, men."

          [–]ImALoneWolfBaby 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          OMFG I remember reading this and I just shook my head. Firstly who goes to the club and expects decent interactions with people? Why do you deserve to be treated any different or get special treatment because of your personal issues with yourself. Secondly what kind of cunts go to a club with no money? The kind who expect free drinks that's who. She is a whiny little cunt and I wanted to say it so badly. Thirdly she was upset nobody wanted to PAY FOR HER? what the fucking fuck. Sounds like a bloody goof who has personal issues and blames the world. I go to a club to dance and have a good time as many people do, so her negative attitude throughout the night probably screamed GIVE ME ATTENTION or IM HAVING A BAD TIME. I also think it is bullshit a photographer asked her to step out of frame. I go to a lot of clubs, and downtown Toronto people can be cunts but unless she was in the way or really just being a debbie downer I doubt she was asked to move, but hey shit happens. I just can't believe anybody goes out to a club or bar and brings zero cash. That is just poor planning.

          I mean fuck cunt not everyone has a good time at a club, people go there for free drinks, easy sex, good dancing and a good night out with your mates..or all 4 if you are like myself. No need to be a debbie downer and blame society about it for fucks sake.

          [–]Daimai 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          This is so fucking great it makes me want to cry. The sheer hypocrisy is overwhelming.

          [–]captaintaint 21 points22 points  (1 child)

          I just posted this to the ugly girl. Haha.

          "Maybe you are aiming for men out of your league, try dating someone closer to your number. If you're going to go out, take cash, it's ridiculous that six girls didn't have enough cash between them to get into a club. If someone pays for you that's great for you but if you expect it you're kind of an asshole."

          [–]through_a_ways 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          "You're not entitled to a man's money"

          "If a man wants to pay for one of your friends, but not you, that's his choice."

          Obvious parallels with sexual harassment. Say this and you'll be crucified though, because expecting someone to financially pick up your tab is totally different from expecting someone to let you slap their butt...because...reasons?

          [–]anonymoustrper 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Man!!! That thread and replies are a bunch of people, going around and effectively saying, "yeah me too/ i know what you mean/I've been there" etc.. in a very different set of words and some references about some movies.

          [–]brons104 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Here's my take on it: She claims that she is "ugly", but yet her body is better than most other women's. She states that she knows how to use makeup and she picked out an outfit that was "sexier" than she would normally wear. I can't help but think that she has no confidence and zero charisma with others. I know the low SMV can be a real hamper, but if you're hanging around being a wallflower and not taking charge of your life are you really entitled to any complaints. I think she could have still walked out with a few numbers or compliments if she played to guys on that same level as her.

          [–]hehetymen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          People with this mindset enrage me so much. Why do you expect to get sympathy from anyone by telling them this happened to you? Hell, why would they give you sympathy? I don't understand why not having your life on extra easy mode is something to whine about. I'd like to see what would happen if she got treated like an ugly man who had no charisma for a day, holy shit would she be in for a surprise.

          [–]TheeRyanGrey 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Hahahhaa this is so wonderfully true to life. This is why I love working in night clubs, you see the best, most wonderful truths every single night.

          Ugly girls are nothing like men because I see ugly rich white dudes fingering models every night. Ugly men can make themselves attractive, ugly girls have nothing. There's nothing they can do but put out and hope to sucker some low value dude into a relstionship.

          Ugly women can't even get rich and powerful like ugly guys because lol who gives a fuck how powerful a woman is, that shits not attractive to us.

          [–]all_systems_go1 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          Ugly men can make themselves attractive,

          Lol, I bet barbie trophy wife makes a habit of getting her ass rammed by some hot alpha cad when hubby isn't around. Or made a habit of it before jumping off the carousel. Money does not inspire gina tingles. A rich hubby is usually just another beta schtick, only with more status and money than your typical beta.

          [–]SillyGoosey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I think the title makes me more mad than the actual post does. She's asking for sympathy before the actual story starts. She knows that it's a sob story and let's readers know it ahead of time. This kind of thing absolutely kills me inside.

          [–]wheresmysmokes 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I wonder why her complaint wasn't that her hot girl friends get treated the same as every other man and woman in the club. As a woman, I'm embarrassed for her. She was by no way mistreated. The other women got special attention, and she might have an argument if she wanted to say that her friends shouldn't have been treated differently because they were attractive.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorDownvoteToDisagree[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          It's true, at no point does anyone say or do anything actively mean to her. It's just that she sees her hot friends get special treatment that she misses out on.

          [–]demoneyes905 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I am so glad I am a guy when it comes to things like this. Even if a man is extremely ugly, he can still increase his SMV through other means (via money, status and self-improvement) and land great, attractive women.

          If you're an ugly woman on the other hand, you are seriously shit out of luck because the first thing a guy wants in a woman is for her to be attractive.

          [–]dodgyasfuck 1 point2 points  (6 children)

          I didn't think she was claiming any patriarchy oppression or anything like that. I think she's quite aware of her low SMV. She was just sad, that's all.

          Yeah, the cover charge thing was entitlement, and she was bought a drink later as well. Feeling undesirable is a shitty feeling, but really the problem was she was deluded that she didn't look like shit when she did. Her stupid friends are fuckwit hamsters who set her up for a fall.

          This is probably a good chick who isn't fucked in the head, because she simply cannot play the same games as fuckable women. Ironically, that's not a good point, because if you're going to be fugly, I'm not fucking you, so you might as well be a guy anyway.

          [–]23490865243879526487 1 point2 points  (5 children)

          This is probably a good chick who isn't fucked in the head,

          Not fucked in the head? What do you call feeling entitled to a strange man's money to the point of acute butthurt?

          [–]dodgyasfuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The "nobody will pay for me" bit was shit, yes. We're 100% in agreement there. However, the dance floor rejection and photographer was what hurt her the most, and she was pretty open about her awareness of her unattractiveness from the start. I think she was just feeling like shit because she felt like she was putting on a good show and got bodyslammed. Kind of like a fat dude hitting the gym and losing 200lb, seeing his improvement and feeling like he's got a shot at meeting someone, only to be laughed at. Sure, he should pick himself up and get on with it, but he has my sympathy for a little while if he feels like shit. So does she.

          [–]dodgyasfuck 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Also, sigh.

          I said she's probably a good chick who isn't fucked in the head because she can't play the same games attractive women play. Girls who grow huge tits while they're still really young get free attention no matter what, and I find most stop character development at that point.

          Smaller-titted women almost universally have better character: - They're more fun, less accustomed to free attention, therefore less prone to being self-centred cunts. - They're less suspicious of unsolicited attention because they get far fewer guys pouring on the bullshit to try to fuck them. - They don't have a pair of watermelons flapping around in front of them and get less backaches, so they tend to be more active and actually get off their asses and do shit. This makes them more interesting and more likely to share an experience with you and have a decent sense of humour/camaraderie. Contrast this with a "curvy" woman with huge norks, who rarely exercises and certainly never runs, doesn't do physical activities, is therefore a princess whose only activities are social and revolve around status and mindgames - i.e. herself.

          Ugly chicks are on the same spectrum as small-titted chicks. She might have self-esteem issues, just as small-titted ones do sometimes, but I'll bet you good money she's not a foot-stomping little princess. She can't get away with that sort of immature female bullshit.

          [–]23490865243879526487 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I said she's probably a good chick who isn't fucked in the head because she can't play the same games attractive women play.

          She failed that particular time but it wasn't for the lack of trying, she tried to raise her SMV through clothing and makeup and she fully expected to be playing in the big league at least on some level, as seen by the butthurt that ensued when contrary to her expectations no male would pay for her. Ugly women can and do play the same games, they just have to either target lower SMV males or find a niche where even high SMV males will go for them.

          Smaller-titted women almost universally have better character: - They're more fun, less accustomed to free attention, therefore less prone to being self-centred cunts.

          I don't think that's universally true. These days women get so much free validation simply for having a vagina that breast size is not that big of a factor. Sure big knockers are the best at opening all kinds of doors but women with lesser mammaries don't go home empty handed either. As a personal observation the majority of the most evil, insufferable and sourpussied cunts I have encountered had small or below average breasts.

          [–]dodgyasfuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I don't entirely agree with you here; they didn't go to the bar looking to cash in on having pussies. They fucked up. Yeah, they were rescued, and yeah this was by penis-wielders and yeah this was solely because vagoo. She wasn't expecting to be paid for but saw it happening to others. This isn't a hanging offence IMO.

          I do agree some fucking bitches have no tits, and these seem to be the ones who hit the wall early and are angry about it - but not always; some of them are just naturally cunts of things. You can have a shit personality and get away with it with big tits (i.e. relatively high SMV), but if you are a cunt with small tits (thus relatively low, all else equal) and get told to fuck off, then there's going to be an explosion.

          But of the non-asshole women in the world, I've found the ones with smaller tits to be a lot more fun. Even nice chicks with big tits tend to know they don't have to do anything but exist to get along quite nicely. I'm not trying to make a world-changing point on this, just that simple observation. And as far as this chick goes, I don't think she needs a baseball bat at dawn, because her low SMV and her awareness of it make her seem similarly grounded to me - but I do agree that she seemed to think her need to behave appropriately was suspended because she was deluded into thinking she was somewhat fuckable for once.

          [–]dodgyasfuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Relative to other women, then.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Well then shut your fat ass up, put the cheesecake down, do some squats and maybe you'll get your special status back. Bitch.

          [–]Lipophobicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Wow, before I clicked on it, I assume your link title was you making a sarcastic summary of the thread. My mistake, I temporarily forgot how little self awareness and the level of entitlement most women have

          [–]10J18R1A 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          More than half of the comments were pretty great, which is about 47% more than I expected.

          [–]XMATIC_4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          God this is so well written,I am late to the party,but all props to you man!

          [–]ricky_ticky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Reminds me of one of my favorite lines:

          "Being an ugly woman is like being a man...you're gonna have to work for it." - Daniel Tosh

          [–]captaintaint 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Maybe you are aiming for men out of your league, try dating someone closer to your number. If you're going to go out take cash, it's ridiculous that six girls didn't have enough cash between them to get into a club. If someone pays for you that's great for you but if you expect it you're kind of an asshole.