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[–]champbacon 86 points87 points  (32 children)

Spot on, women that surround themselves with thirsty male attention are generally incredibly vain people as they are constantly validated and pedestaled by a loyal legion of sex hungry men waiting patiently for her to put out.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 53 points54 points  (29 children)

Yeah, pretty much any woman say a 5 or above can do this. Men can do the same shit once their SMV is high enough (let's say they reach an 8) and they have the free time to do this: friend zone harem. Get yourself a bunch of preselection by getting girls lower smv than you to orbit you.

Say you reach an 8/10. You get 7's and 6.5's orbiting you. You build a lot of comfort with girls and flirt as much as you do to be playful, don't deliberately build attraction. They won't care, they'll only be mildly attracted due to SMV and lack of game targeted at them. You're "kinda cool" but no shared intense fuck me eyes or any high octane shit like that. Do this with a number of women and then go out collectively with them, as the only man there the preselection will have them all vying for you despite your minimal attraction building game. Fuck with 'em the way they collectively fuck with our beta brothers. Throw 'em all the "we're just friends line" "I see you like a sister" blah blah blah. Keep 'em in that friend zone limbo, let her bake you cookies and shit (assuming she can use anything more than a microwave.)

Surrounded by mildly attractive women you can get some 9 on your dick with all that preselection. Not only does it make you more attractive to other women, but it makes them trust you more. Herd mentality. Other women like him, therefore I like him. Other women trust him, therefore, I trust him. Oh, and, narcissism. Great way to build up your ego.

I've learnt a lot from women, their own tactics work amazingly well against them, too. People's girlfriends hate me. Can't say I blame 'em. Gotta play dumb better around women.

[–]HerculestheRed 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Women would rather share an alpha than have a beta all to herself.

A woman's natural state is that of submission, not in general, but to a worthy mate. Everything about herd mentality and preselection makes harems possible. One silverback laying the inchworm to all the females.

Women's manipulative nature makes them understand that relationships are business and the modus operandi is powerplay. Someone has to be the bitch. That's why women want orbiters, but also despise them at a deep level. They have contempt of the waste of genetics that is beta men. Still need them bux though.

Been binging on your site a lot lately, even more so than regular game because I'm in Monk Mode for NoNothingNovember. Posts and comments like these are great supplement to the longer articles on site. Keep up the good work.

[–]magicalbird 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think its contempt as much as it is a plan B when alpha male moves on to more attractive women.

If alpha is busy then girls riding the CC accept lower alphas and upper betas. Once alpha is free girls riding the CC come running back trying their best to get with alpha exclusively. Alpha laughs.

[–]ColdEiric 6 points7 points  (15 children)

I've noticed that once a man develops his cunning to the same level or higher than a woman's cunning, then she will hate or resent him, because she can't influence, manipulate or persuade him anymore. When he can spot her attempts, he is no longer a sucker who has to do what she wants. He has a choice now, because he can see properly.

That's why cunning is the major attribute between a alpha male and a beta. Because any other skill or talent would have been useful for her, but cunning is used against her and not for her.

[–]LadyLumen 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Something I love about my boyfriend, he calls me out on my shit.

The other day we're playing a video game I'm not particularly fond of. Me: Hmm, I'm starting to feel tired, I might do something else. Him: Hmm...I'm noticing a pattern here, you're only tired when you're doing things you don't like.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

"I'm tired" is the biggest excuse/escape clause you ladies abuse. To a clued in guy its transparent. To a beta idiot "awwww poor thing, go have a nap." except he's not being sarcastic, he means it.

[–]LadyLumen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Beta guy would go get the girl a pillow. The alpha guy would make fun of the girl and instigate an epic pillow fight.

[–]LadyLumen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol, yup. I'm kind of a sleepy person by default. But I certainly happen to get more sleepy during activities I don't like than the ones I do like.

[–]theoctopuss 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This is an excellent point. I've been in many interactions where I just met a girl and she attempts to turn on her charm. They see within 5 minutes that it's not going to work, which drives them nuts.

They become hostile and defensive, just because I didn't immediately jump at their indicator of interest. It's happened more times than I can count.

[–]ColdEiric 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's even better when you're not merely deflecting and blocking her charm, but when you're pretending that you don't even notice her attempts, and she thinks that you're a dumb, untamed caveman. Because this boy, he will be a boy. He will do what he wills.

[–]the99percent1 1 point2 points  (3 children)

wrong about the resent/hating bit..

A man who does not fall for her tricks is a man she percieves as better than herself. The kind of man that turns her on and she falls for.

[–]LadyLumen 1 point2 points  (2 children)

That's when they hate/love you.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love hate-love. It's the start of a very sexually charged rollercoaster ride.

[–]luciansolaris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Methinks the hate is really a shit test...

[–]falafin 0 points1 point  (3 children)

how does one learn cunning ?

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]newlifeasredpill 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I like these lines...."we are just friends" and "you are like a sister to me".

Do they work as negs on plates?

[–]RobertCarraway 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Only if you fuck your sister.

[–]Philhelm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well let's just say, hypothetically of course, you do...?

[–]the99percent1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Way much harder for a guy to do..

and not quite the same effectiveness compared to men orbiting women.

I have placed a few women in the friend zone before and got them to do shit for me.

But trust me, after awhile, they realize you have no interest in forming a relationship and they disappear to the next schlub who will kow tow to them. Women are not orbiters. They understand the game way too well and as long as they are in decent shape, can have men interested in them in a heart beat.

You have to give respect to women in this aspect. They are truly masters of manipulation and highly sophisticated social game. Unlike clueless beta BP men, ALL women, including feminist understand the game.

[–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Harder, yes. But if you know how to push/pull, not impossible.

[–]100 Modbsutansalt 9 points10 points  (1 child)

They are also often incredibly insecure, which is why they need the constant stream of attention and validation from men.

[–]HerculestheRed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Validation is a woman's version of processed sugar. The more of it you consume, the more of it you need. Those of us who learn to do without it don't have the cravings and are healthier for it.

Woe to the woman who guzzles both and posts pictures of her muffintop spilling out of her two piece on instagram for 4 hearts and a comment from her best friend.

[–]hipst 34 points35 points  (17 children)

I think the whole bringing up the boyfriend thing is about establishing boundaries. Especially when it's a narcissistic woman who thinks that every man wants to bed her on sight. If there's a boyfriend and you stick around, congratulations, you're an orbiter.

[–]IProbablyHaveEbola 17 points18 points  (16 children)

It's just another shit test. "I have a boyfriend" the subtext is "Are you better than him?"

[–]ofthrees 14 points15 points  (10 children)

sometimes, no lie. but often it really is just establishing boundaries.

most women for whom the subtext is "are you better than him?" will follow "i have a boyfriend," with "...but... [something something he doesn't appreciate me something something]" as they eye fuck you while pressing a thigh against yours.

it's obvious shit, but we aren't exactly subtle.

[–]NullVoidZeroZilch 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Yes it often is a safety net girls throw out there to establish boundaries. Guys can get handsy and their boyfriends might not appreciate that. Don't forget to respect your fellow man by studying her body language and not pursuing if she is genuinely not interested.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that -3 points-2 points  (8 children)

Your fellow man deserves no respect for simply being a man. A man must earn respect, just as a woman must earn commitment.

[–]Grocery-Boy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What the hell is with all the downvotes? Men are not born they are created, do not be so quick to give your respect because someone is simply a (dare I say?) man.

Don't forget to respect your fellow man by studying her body language and not pursuing if she is genuinely not interested.

That came across pretty BP, as you are playing into her frame.

[–]NullVoidZeroZilch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, what's blue pill is hitting on a girl that is obviously not interested in you because she's dating an alpha. This has nothing to do with playing into her frame. If a girl is genuinely disinterested in your sexual advances and she brings up her boyfriend, it means he's a better man than you and you shouldn't waste your time on her (abundance mentality, plenty of other girls to hit on).

I'm not talking about the situations where she's lying about having a boyfriend as a shit test. If you're red pill enough you should be able to pick up on that right away. I meant only the time when she is actually not interested in you and you should respect that and respect her boyfriend as a fellow man who is in the same situation we're all in.

If I see some guy all over my girlfriend out at a pub despite her pushing him away, being handsy and trying to "game her" into going home with him, I'll prob interfere and ruin that guy's night. That being said, if it looks like she's enjoying the attention, she's now a plate and nothing more. The situations aren't always binary.

[–]NullVoidZeroZilch 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I think you're missing the point though. You're taking what I said way out of context. I don't agree with a guy hitting on a girl who's disinterested. That's pretty pathetic and the opposite of abundance mentality.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Disinterest on the female's part has nothing to do with a "boyfriend." She can be disinterested or interested regardless of her relationship status. I agree that if a girl is genuinely disinterested to move on, but respect for a man doesn't even enter the equation.

I'm not angry with you. It's okay, we are here to learn.

[–]NullVoidZeroZilch 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Respecting other people is an alpha's norm. You automatically respect men and women until they prove that they don't deserve it, not the other way around.

You don't walk around shoving people and being a dick to them until they prove they deserve your respect.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think you are confusing respect for common courtesy. Lack of respect does not equal disrespect.

[–]NullVoidZeroZilch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes you're right. I suppose what I meant was respect for common courtesy. Do not look up to everyone you meet but be generally nice to people.

[–]Meglomaniac 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It all depends on the context. I have held the belief that women who mention their boyfriend, half the time is to merely go "I am capable of maintaining a relationship" not "I have a boyfriend, no chance".

[–]LadyLumen -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I mention the boyfriend to establish boundaries. When I sense that a guy is interested in me, I bring it up. I just don't like giving guys the wrong idea.

[–]WorldsEndGirlfriend 19 points20 points  (1 child)

NEVER EVER trust women

made it even easier for you.

[–]steviamies 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thanks, original title was triggering me

[–]pizzaman500 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I know someone just like this.

She's boring, mediocre, unintelligent, unambitious, and has virtually no passions or hobbies. Yet she always has a swarm of guys around her, poor suckers who get drawn in because of her mildly good looks and flirty personality. She literally has nothing to offer besides sex appeal.

Girls like this thrive on male attention. They feed off it. Which is why I think the best way to combat it is denying them any attention and letting them know you don't respect people with no depth. Deny them the power they assume to have over you and they will go crazy.

[–]jaysire 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We all know someone like this. "Mine" is one of those famous "women programmers" that used to routinely fuck up every software project she took part in, until she was demoted to "mascot" with "developer" on her cv.

[–]magicalbird 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Illimitableman,

I'll share with you my take on these kind of women's sexual strategy and my reaction to them. It's like if I'm playing black in chess all the time.

One of my female friends has a lot of male friends. I don't orbit around her as she lives in another city and she gives me a lot of insight on these types of women only when I need an opinion. I message her once a month.

These women are high sexual energy, flirting and touching is crack to them, validation is also solid, and from her own words: "Girls like me want a little bit of everything"

A little bit of everything? She wants a guy to sleep with, another guy to cuddle with, another guy to talk to, and another guy to fall in love with all over again. She wants a little bit of everything.

Oh right, she cheated on her main guy with a lower SMV side guy who is now her main guy because he had much sexual energy. On paper her original main guy was higher SMV but girls like this want sexual energy and that sexual energy absolutely overrides SMV logic.

These girls are the girls that sigmas and renegade alphas make a name for themselves with because if you continually be unpredictable you can become a little bit of everything in her mind and give tingles all over the place.

As an aspiring sigma who is always lurking underneath the radar I find the right opportunity to be the side guy with women like this.

She would rather have a guy with little money, good looking, aspiring musicians, rebels, drug addicts, etc. The prototypical bad boy that gives her tingles overrides other SMV.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 2 points3 points  (1 child)

another guy to fall in love with all over again

Interesting point. Being a "Good Girl," she'll only have one crazy-sex-magic guy at a time. But she can switch to a new guy in a heartbeat; the equivalent of trying on a new dress... Then she can reverse her decision if it doesn't work out, calling it all a "mistake" to ease any guilt, while leaving her original guy none the wiser.

Until she's post-wall, your time as "that guy" in her life is limited. She has options. It's easy for her to attract new pre-magic hopefuls. If she's not feeling tingles with you (too much comfort, not enough dread) and starts feeling it with one of them, you'll soon be replaced.

Her actions aren't surprising, considering the abundance of attention and options she has. Except her abundance was based on simply being young and sexy, not earned. So the more she indulges (booze, sex, drugs, desserts), the quicker her advantages expire.

[–]magicalbird 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Welcome to the post-OkCupid and Tinder world.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 10 points11 points  (6 children)

I posted something similar awhile ago here: "I always find myself around more guy friends than girls!"

I find this thing is one of the BIGGEST red flags for girls who are not to be trusted and/or are attention whores.

To me, it shows she has no clue what the price/value of her own sexuality is. She gives it away freely and doesn't know how to protect it.

[–]brotherjustincrowe 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Unless she's a landwhale or diesel dyke, she's either borderline retarded for thinking of beta orbiters as "friends" or she's a shameless, insecure manipulator who's probably not worth the trouble (and definitely not worth raw dogging).

[–]the10thrider 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lets face it. Some of these girls don't even know what a true friend is.

Such a shame.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 2 points3 points  (3 children)

/u/puasenator put it rather succinctly:

Yup. "I can't stand women because they are all bitches." No sweetheart, you're likely the bitch who they can't stand. You're just used to being around guys all the time that let you get away with saying stupid shit.

If a chick has no female friends, it's because she's an insufferable bitch. Imagine finding a dude with no male friends. You better believe that would set off all kinds of alarms as well.

[–]Philhelm 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm sort of in the position where I don't have any friends, at least not locally (I still talk to old friends from high school/college/military/etc. but they are all in another state. I'm 34, and had changed states a few years ago, so it isn't like I literally just moved here which would make it more reasonable. What's strange is that I, more than most, am used to moving, and had went to ten schools in twelve years during my childhood, but had always made friends easily. Then, all of a sudden, I just hit a wall. Now I have the social circle of the Unibomber.

[–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So what are you doing to change that?

[–]Philhelm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing right now. I commute to work and am married with two babies, so I don't have a lot of time during the week. I get home at around 7:00 p.m., eat dinner, do husband/father stuff, and by 9:00 or 10:00 I can finally relax.

I was thinking of taking up a hobby, such as martial arts, which would also help get me back in physical shape. Maybe I'd meet people through something like that.

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    [–]SamGill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    OP she was angry because you called her out on her BS. she's not used to men doing that. she was a shameless censorship pause liar

    [–]cascadecombo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    She says "because I just know he wouldn't do that."

    You seem to think she doesn't honestly believe that, don't you realized people let themselves believe whatever they want to believe. True or not, saying the other option is saying he is of less value than her. Which since I don't know the guy, would only reduce her value as well.

    Not to mention wouldn't can = couldn't because he would not do what he can not do.

    [–]Doctor_Mayhem 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    I find that it's a double-edged sword when you got these kinds of girls. Either: A) You're dealing with a massive slutbag who's completely mentally deranged, or B) She's a unicorn who is virtuous enough that she cannot stand the petty, toxic, backstabbing politics and bullshit that one will find with typical women.

    Obviously, you should err on the side of A rather than B.

    Anecdotal: My roomie's gf was a tomboy throughout her life. Roomie is the only man she has ever been with. Her sister, on the other hand, was the exact same way. Her sister is a divorced single mom who seems to have no attachment whatsoever to her own daughter.

    "I just can't stand the drama of women."

    Another thing I learned in life, that I'm sure all men here already know but is worth repeating, is that the woman who says the loudest about how much she hates drama, is always the biggest dramawhore.

    [–]DarkCircle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    My thinking is that a woman that actually says it is probably category A.

    [–]Killigraphy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Women hate each other by nature, so the tired platitude of "I like having guy friends" is really more about having the option(s) to fuck whomever she wants from said group. Even better for the guys in certain cases; she might be a homie hopper and give you all the turn to pilfer her tonsils with your dick.

    Ultimately, never believe a fish when it tells you it hangs out with bears, that have never taken a bite.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Sometime during high school I started noticing that effect as well. Girls with mostly guy friends were totally in it for the easily-acquired adoration. It had nothing to do with other women being bitchy or catty...Its a woman who has been jettisoned from other females in the circle for doing shit that probably broke code. This chick is low value.

    A woman who has no female friends also is a woman who does not know how to act like one. No barometer. Pass.

    [–]1IVIaskerade 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Whenever a woman says "I only hang out with guys", "It's less drama" or "I have more guy friends than girl friends", first of all, this image pops into my head, and secondly I replace "guys" with "orbiters" and it makes more sense.

    [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    One of the most enlightening thing for me during my 20's was coming to the realization that 99% of things out of a woman's mouth is Powertalk. Women virtually never use direct speak, unless they're not aware of any social ramifications for doing so. By keeping your senses on alert you can cold read women much better.

    Perfect example is one that occurred to me as I was talking to an especially hamstery chick the other day:

    Me: "So you enjoy being married huh? What do you like about him?"

    Her: "Well he's an engineer so he makes a lot of money, he buys me stuff, he took me on vacation 3 times already this year. He also works a lot so I have a lot of time for myself and my girlfriends"

    At no point did she mention anything about his personality that she liked. This chick being 29, I could instantly sense that she found her beta bucks to settle with after a wild youth and that she wasn't really happy. I pried a bit more over a couple of days, and lo and behold, the two of them are hardly fucking. Meanwhile she's admitted to riding a dozen dicks, which we know is likely triple that.

    You should never take anything a woman says at face value.

    [–]garlicextract 27 points28 points  (15 children)

    Should not the tip be based upon the quality of the service provided, rather than the idiocy of the individual receiving the tip?

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 20 points21 points  (11 children)

    Her shitty attitude reduced my quality of service. She was a little terse and a little rude after that set of interactions. No thank you ma'am.

    [–]teeelo 32 points33 points  (8 children)

    Dude I can't believe you criticized this woman for 5 minutes before letting her cut your hair.

    Was that really a smart move?

    It's kinda like harassing the server before you get your food. Risky shit.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 19 points20 points  (6 children)

    Dude I can't believe you criticized this woman for 5 minutes before letting her cut your hair.

    Was that really a smart move?

    It's kinda like harassing the server before you get your food. Risky shit.

    Russian roulette with the old clippers there. I'm a risk taker, sue me.

    [–]svogliate 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    I already upvoted you for correct use of the word 'phatic' - never seen that anywhere else but Heinlein and my own mouth - but this, this made me laugh.

    Thanks, I had a rough day. Needed that.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    Well isn't that a pleasant delight. I've had the linguistic autist police going to town on my words recently and knit-picking so fastidiously you'd think they did this shit for a fucking job. Haha!

    [–]luciansolaris 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    I don't know why people don't like "vocabulary words;" I enjoy hearing their use (and using them) and if I hear one I don't know I look it up and file it away. People are so pedestrian these days!

    ADDENDUM: Also, I never see semi-colons in net-speech. I wonder why...

    [–]Philhelm 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Heh, I thought I was the only person to ever use semicolons.

    [–]luciansolaris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Twitter and texting have destroyed proper English.

    [–]luciansolaris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Whatever gets the ole bell ringing, ey?

    [–]ofthrees 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    yeah, but chicks instinctively dig being challenged. had he pushed it, maybe. but he knew where to stop, and challenged her exactly enough. she probably had the sense that if she fucked up his hair, he'd ensure she was begging for quarters outside 7-11 the following day.

    even money she'd fuck him if he pressed it next time.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Fuck that. Tipping should have a reward. I only tip when it benefits me. Good on you.

    [–]luciansolaris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I agree. I think automatic tipping is a form of welfare that allows cafes to under-pay their staff. If they're going to charge a server fee, it should be on the bill and listed on the menu at walk-in. If I had the choice between being waited on or going up to a counter to order and pick up my food, I'd skip the waiter 9 times out of 10 and save the money!

    [–]Matsew 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    It's based on whatever you decide to base it on. It's your money. Besides women suck at cutting hair, at least that's been my experience

    [–]LadyLumen 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Women suck at cutting men's hair. Men suck at cutting women's hair. I hate having a guy cut my hair or wax my eyebrows.

    [–]jd2fresh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    A woman cuts my hair. She does a fantastic job. Costs me $25 bucks though but its worth it.

    [–]Workchoices 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    If you are new to TRP this is one of the first things you should learn.

    A woman who isn't friends with other women is bad news. If 50% of the population (the half that doesn't want to fuck her) hate her there must be a reason.

    It works with us too but to a lesser extent. A man who is not friends with any women is a weirdo at best. A man who has female friends is pre selected.

    [–]Throwaway_SEERED 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    This broad sounds like a Lucifer's daughter. She has a dude around to provide and she can cheat whenever she likes because she has all that male attention. She's already sunk her fangs into him. A cuckold is going to take place soon.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Not enough to go on from that brief interaction. She's certainly a candidate, but cross comparing her with the woman who inspired the Lucifer's Daughter article, I'm not sure. Didn't get to shit test her enough or probe her for information beyond this interaction. She contained her temper but I noticed the change in her demeanour, I caused her frame to change. Plenty of women collect orbiters, it doesn't make them psychopaths, it just makes them commitment miners, lovers of free gifts, egoists, backup cock insurance policy holders and etc.

    [–]MagnanimousGenius 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    The title of the post immediately made me think of my sister:

    Overweight, always "hungry", lives on Tumblr and some ms paint website, and considers herself "one of the guys"

    All of her male friends, for good measure, are low SMV geeks, effeminate, thin and never go out

    And as expected she has very naive leftist views, gets incredibly pissed off with "sexist" or "racist" jokes, but has no issue always mockingly interpreting one of her male friends behaviours as "gay" constantly behind his back

    Note: this would be a better quality comment but I'm on my phone at the moment

    [–]topspeedj 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    All true I'm sure but what about women who are actually quite tomboyish and have quite masculine interests? Not necessarily ugly either but a 6 or above?

    Because then surely it's more likely that they would naturally gravitate towards male groups anyway? At least in my own mind.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    She was too bitchy with me to actually be legitimately tomboyish. You have to read through the lines. A woman who says "I love men, women are annoying" and tries to spin you the tomboy line who then cannot hold frame or be reasonable and gets passive aggressive is not a tomboy. She's a cock happy slut. If she was a tomboy we would have got on. A woman's behaviour is more truthful and infinitely more revealing than her words. I'd be an idiot to give her words merit and ignore the glaring changes to her demeanour. A masculine personality would banter with you over that kind of shit, not get butthurt.

    [–]LadyLumen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Men give each other insults they don't really mean, women give each other compliments they don't really mean.

    [–]Goldfulgore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This "woman's solipsism" is the same shit I deal with here. This is why to my eyes they are dumb.

    I live on the other side of the globe and AWALT.

    [–]CryptoManbeard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Digging your posts lately. Another red flag, "I don't like drama." Never met a girl that didn't love drama. And I certainly never met one that said that and wasn't a raging drama queen. Me thinks she doth protest too much.

    I've been really focused on my reaction to sexuality lately. Friday I went out to lunch at a pub and there was this really sexually amped up server. She was maybe a 6 in the face but she wore really short shorts and a midriff shirt that showed off her six pack. She was extremely outgoing about her flirtations. She expected that you were going to be caught in her web of attraction, she probably gets validated constantly all day long and expects it at this point.

    Because I was focused on my reaction, I could see it for what it was. Attention seeking at best, fishing for tips at the worst. Even though mentally I was aware of what was going on, I realized that I was still getting turned on and affected by her actions. I had to force myself to act with the right head. Anyway long story short, the more I pretended that she was annoying and that I wasn't impressed, the more she escalated. Not surprising....

    [–]switchme808 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    You have a point about these types of women, I'd just like to note that because you are about to be her customer, she has [more of] an incentive to lie about herself. She probably gets more tips from other men when they believe her to be "one of the guys". I think if you'd had this conversation without the customer-business setting, she would've been more likely to answer truthfully. Might be just a slightly higher chance.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Nice insight, hadn't thought of it like that.

    [–]chillmonkey88 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    I see your point of the mass male orbiter "I only have guy friends (in the friend zone I might add)" girl. I know many and when you meet other women that know them or of them... they come straight to point overtly and say "she's shady, lies, manipulates and uses her former gf so they quit hanging out" when you meet a former gf of these types and they bash her... believe what they're saying.

    I also wanted to make the counter point of a few others with only guy friends. The professional... the women that can't stand other catty girls that bitch about stuff all the time and can't get work done. I know three really close ones (all very attractive. One is bi) all three when talked to about their lives... are all very driven and very strong minded women.

    One that is a gm at a kohls here says she can not find enough men to work for her because women create a very hostile work environment of nonsense disputes. (Married)

    The bi friend worked at an up and coming law firm as an assistant and then the firm blew up and she was rewarded. Now she makes a good living being at the right place at the right time. (Bi, Girlfriend)

    The last one I know is red pill woman (really treats my buddy good although he is alpha as fuck), former red flag woman. My buddies gf currently and she's a 9.75/10 in the looks dep. Single mother. She's "one of the guys" because her former party, girls night out self got her pregnant. It was her wake up call and she quit the partying and went to school... while pregnant... the father was a jobless loser that wouldn't see the kid and she didn't want to live off the state so, now, a 6 year old boy later and his mom, 1 year out from a master's in one of the medical fields... became one of the guys when she met my friend. Now the thought of g.n.o. sounds silly and dumb because she realized she was just thirsty for male attention but when life slaps you awake you need to take care of what's most important. (Takes care of my buddy and hangs out with us guys only being we hang out her bf)

    These examples of women I described are mixed with the ones you did... I wanted to point out the opposite of the red flags (green flags?) I still know way too many shady ones but the unicorns I described above do exist...

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    she can not find enough men to work for her because women create a very hostile work environment of nonsense disputes.

    Bitchy women (that's like 99% of them) absolutely kill the workplace. Feminine, caring women, are a massive asset though, they keep morale up. Bitchy women play mind games, attack people, keep morale down and fuel political bullshit.

    and she didn't want to live off the state

    Green flag, shows good character without coercion or external influence. She could have took the easy route, but she didn't. How that translates to a relationship is she is more likely to work on the relationship than just throw the towel in, go out, get drunk, and fuck another man. Yes a single mother is a red flag, she was young and made a mistake. Aside that monumental blip, she sounds like she's of good character.

    unicorns I described above do exist

    I would never describe a single mother as a unicorn, if they manage to get their shit together they're more like reformed sluts. If her SMV is good and she demonstrates good nature, some men will take reformed sluts on board. Depends on the guy, the girl and the whole context for shit.

    [–]LadyLumen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Bitchy women (that's like 99% of them)

    That's kind of a big assumption my friend. I'd say it's that the bitchy ones stand out more, and the rest don't get noticed. What bleeds it what reads.

    [–]chillmonkey88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Unicorn was broad... I'll just say high quality.

    [–]psycho-logical 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I'm not sure how your post really proves or reinforces anything. I was waiting for the part about her cheating on him or hitting on you or really anything of value. These appear more to be your insecurities and preconceived notions being imprinted onto another person.

    [–]Mechbiscuit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Perhaps she wasn't lying. Check this out for a moment.

    I know he would never do anything like that to me, I completely trust him.

    Does this chap have the capacity to look past his girlfriend? What I'm really asking here in TRP vernacular is; is he unplugged?

    We all know all-too-well what we were like before we started thinking for ourselves - locked into the idea of true love and all that.

    She said her boyfriend gets jealous because of the fact she has so many male friends, yet she allows him to remain in this perpetual state of jealousy

    This is a destructive mindset that people do to have some control of their lives. It's born out of fear and is a power play, not exclusive to women.

    Overall I would agree with the post that some women "have more guyfriends than girlfriends" because...

    "women see through my shit, but men are clueless idiots I can control with my sexuality, and I like being the centre of attention in a group of men."

    [–]ofthrees 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    i responded in that thread, if it adds anything (or not). it might at least be good for derisive fodder. ;)

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yeah your post was really good, great read.

    [–]koala_diarrhea 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    I notice the small tattoo on her wrist, that isn't of a child's name, then another on the back of her neck, upperback (her hair is tied up) which is another red flag.

    Explain how & what (an upperback tattoo?) is a red flag?

    [–]OKJaded 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    A) Risk and attention seeking behavior. She sees guys with them as attractive and attempts to emulate them thinking "If I find this attractive guys must find it attractive too!"

    B) Women with visible tattoos typically have a higher partner count. Key areas signify a very count. Top of foot, ass, tramp stamp, back piece, sternum.

    A + B = She's into AF badboys in a big way. Long term commitment has a high probability of failing. If you're covered in tattoos; Awesome, free plate. Not covered in tattoos; not worth the trouble.

    [–]Burner1701 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Where is the risk in getting a tattoo?
    Also, do you have a link backing up your assertion about visible tattoos relating to a higher partner count?

    [–]gogodoctor26 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You, sir, are very good. These are things that my dumb ass would have missed before. Maybe not the tattoos part, but everything else. Spot on, man. Spot on.

    [–]100 Modbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You described an ex of mine, minus the tattoos.

    [–]I3luee 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I love how you structured your post! I'm facing quite a similar situation and am uncertain how to go over it: have a 3 month gf, popped her cherry, things are advancing slowly.

    The thing is that I don't feel that "click". Why? Because I tend to feel complacency from her. From our discussions she said that she prefers to hang out with guys since they're less of a hassle than girls are (as she put it: "they have their feet more firmly on the ground") and every time I confront her with her complacency she says something like "Give me more time!" or "Have some patience, I'm new to this!".

    She admitted to having 3 notable relationships until now (I told her that I define a relationship as being notable if it lasted more than a month).

    Any thoughts?

    [–]RedRisingHood 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    This thread sums up a sort of social situation I am in currently.

    Really good looking but no long term ambition or real interests and yeah, she gave the she hates women because they cause drama speech despite the fact her life is centered upon constant drama.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    she gave the she hates women because they cause drama speech despite the fact her life is centered upon constant drama.

    No self awareness + no ambition = 99.9% chance she's a vapid whore. Red flag. AVOID.

    [–]lift_the_heavy_thing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    If you want a book on cold reading buy the Full Facts book on Cold Reading. It might only be available from the UK Amazon.

    Derren Brown is a well renowned mentalist / entertainer in Britain and this is the only book he recommends on cold reading. I bought it and it is insanely good fun to read. I can't recommend it enough. The author even emailed me back when I asked him a question a few years back.

    [–]BCFtrip 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Whenever I think I handle a social situation exceptionally well, I read your contributions and writing and remember there's lots of room to grow.

    [–]banica24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This is such an epic thread I bookmarked it for reading in the future again. I've been way too familiar with this scenario on both sides too

    [–]CadeStaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Even back many years before I discovered the RP, I STILL knew a girl who had mostly guy friends was a slut and red flag. I always thought it was out of jealousy in those semi beta days, but it may have just been being a little smart.

    [–]hb8only 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    a little correction: NEVER EVER TRUST ANY WOMEN..

    [–]TheHiddenTruth 1 point2 points  (7 children)

    You seem to be good at cold-reading, at least that's the impression you left after this article.
    Is there any book or smth. you learned from or you recommend learning from in case somebody wants to improve his cold-reading skills?

    [–]foutight 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    Dr Paul Ekman has spent his whole life studying deceit and lying and published about 7 books. One of his books, ''Telling Lies'' is excellent source of information on micro-expressions that can be used to ready body language.

    Ive been using this info at the poker table very successfully and also in many social interactions. Knowing when someone says something they dont mean is sooo valuable is sooo many situations. Recommended reading for anyone!

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Added your book suggestion to OP, thanks.

    [–]reedrichardsstretch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Lie detection and cold reading are sort of related, but different disciplines. Reading micro-expressions can aid the cold reader in assessing the reaction of the target to the statements and actions the cold-reader is doing.

    Most con-men are good cold readers and detectors of micro-expressions to see who a good mark is/someone susceptible to the con being played.

    What our esteemed /u/illimitableman did was to take environmental cues, such as the tatoos, and extrapalote the characteristics of the particular individual from the common traits of other individuals with similar parameters, i.e. women that have tattoos.

    To test, he asked her questions to see how she would respond and assessed the outcome to see how close it was to expected.

    Though it's a tv character, the lead in The Mentalist is basically a cold reader and con man who has a very high level of understanding of human psychology and statistics. Take it with a grain of salt since they exaggerate for TV, but it's possible to blow people's minds if you put yourself in a situation with people of a specific demographic or social economic status where they share a lot of things based on statistics alone. Can seem like you're reading their minds or can predict the future.

    Usually cold reading works better in a large crowd. Think that John Edwards guy who said he could speak to the dead.

    [–]Mechbiscuit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    What OP describes in his post isn't cold reading. Cold reading is...

    Cold reading is a set of techniques used by mentalists, psychics, fortune-tellers, mediums and illusionists to determine or express details about another person, often to imply that the reader knows much more about the person than the reader actually does.

    (Source: Google)

    It's what Derren Brown does to tell people what colour their curtains and carpet are. It's a trick and whilst fun to do to people in pick-up, has limited value in the real world.

    If however you're talking about reading peoples body language to get a feeling for how positive and negative stress emotions display themselves, I highly recommend Joe Navaro's What everbody is saying.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Every-BODY-Saying-Speed-Reading/dp/0061438294/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415069476&sr=8-1&keywords=what+every+body+is+saying

    That book is a great starting point and actually an invaluable resource to get to grip with the basics of body language, which DOES have value in the real world.

    [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    I get asked this a lot. I'm sorry, I don't have any book I can recommend because I didn't learn it from a book. I learnt it from practice/my habits, and I suppose, without meaning to gloat, there's an element of natural talent involved. Naturals are shit at explaining things. I never had to consciously go through the learning process of acquiring the skill so I can't really explain it. If somebody else can, or has a good link, I'll add it to the OP as I'm sure other people will have this question.

    [–]slcjosh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Social cues you pick up by being social a lot. Ask lots of questions even if they are loaded.

    [–]LadyLumen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    As a female with male interests, I had to learn this the hard way.

    In middle school I had a circle of female friends, but to be honest, it really was a lot of drama, and most of these girls didn't share my interests. I like to play video games, I like playing music, I enjoy talking about politics and world events. I didn't like talking about who was dating who, random male celebrity, gag reflex please.

    So I began to drift away from this group of female friends, and acquired a group of guy friends, + some gay male friends. The gay guys were the perfect friends, because we had the same interests, but they didn't want to fuck me. Some of my straight male friends I did end up dating, and then when the relationship ended, we still were good friends with each other.

    In college, I started making more male friends. But this was different. These male friends were much more predatory, and if they sensed I wasn't going to put out, I was vetoed and they moved on their merry way through the fuck train.

    With the guys who did stick around, they were more like Beta orbiters who were being my friend out of a false hope that I would eventually fuck them. This made me feel like the rich guy, with a bunch of poor friends who just want his money.

    So anyways, after getting tired of relationships that weren't genuine, I made an effort to be more feminine, get into more feminine interests, and I eventually did find some quality female friends. Also, when I want to do guy stuff, I hang out with my boyfriend and his friends, so...it all worked out in the end.

    [–]Antibuddy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Why do you care so much? Why not let sluts be sluts and enjoy them for the wonderful pleasure they bring to everyone around them who knows how they are supposed to fit into the grand scheme of things. This is the key. It's like you're screaming at a cat because it won't play fetch or go for a run with you. Plus, she's your fucking hair stylist. She's not going to reveal the deep dark machinations of her mind to some asshole that she has to see for like 30 minutes. Fuck man, I'd lie to you too.

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      [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Tips are always optional in the uk bro.

      [–]mytrpacc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I needed to hear this. Thank you.

      [–]TheRealMouseRat 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      How can one become good at spotting if a woman is lying in cases like these without assuming that all women are toxic lying bitches? I have some female friends who have many guy friends, but also a lot of female friends. I don't think that they have the guy friends to always have a cock on tap when they need it. Is it in how their relationships with the guys are? Or what kind of women are their friends? Or a mix?

      [–]Burner1701 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Girls without female friends are indeed a red flag. If they have male friends and good close female friends it's not such an issue. Also if you happen to marry one and have kids with her you're screwed because she wont develop close friendships with other new mums and that support network is gold. It's help, playdates, lifts to practices, just sheer logistics and for emotional girl-type support.

      [–]TheRealMouseRat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      when I have children I plan on doing an equal or a bit less than equal part of child care. I'm sure I could plan lifts and playdates with other dads ;) But anyway, the morale/point is that if she has almost no close female friends, it's bad, but having many close female friends, but also many male friends, is fine?

      [–]TRP_FuckFeminists 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      I'm dealing with a girl I knew from church youth group conferences back in the day right now. She originally told me she was a lesbian, so I can't hit on her. Then she tells me she fucks guys all the time but is actually a lesbian just gets drunk some times. Then I found out the last guy she sucked and fucked was 7 days ago. Not sure if I should play her games and bother pursuing her or not. Just been ignoring her for the last day or so. She's really sexy though not gonna lie.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      She's trying to friend zone you bro nope the fuck out of that situation.

      [–]Burner1701 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      It's "changing tack" not "changing tact" look it up.
      Apart from that, good observations.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      changing tack

      Idioms are weird. What the fuck is a tack? Haha, anyway, thanks.

      [–]Burner1701 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Ha! You're welcome. It's a sailing term, something about adjusting the sails to change direction, change course. They certainly sound similar, you're far from the first person to get it wrong.

      [–]thisjibberjabber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      It's sailing in a certain direction across the wind. To get upwind you have to switch from Port tack to starboard tack and repeat.

      [–]EeeeeeevilMan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I've said this before, but I really feel like this is an oversimplification and the "few female friends" and "lots of male friends" issues should be treated separately. They're not mutually inclusive at all.

      There are almost no women I would want as friends. They make terrible friends. Why would I fault a woman for recognizing the same thing? That's silly. She should be friends with people who make terrible friends just because they're her gender? And if she doesn't make that illogical decision there must be something wrong with her? No. I'm not buying that.

      Now, a woman who has a bunch of male friends? In other words a bunch of horny beta orbiters? Yeah, that's a red flag for an attention seeking chick. Absolutely.

      Honestly, I see nothing wrong with a woman who's perceptive enough to realize what awful friends women are and only has one or two (or no) close female friends as long as she doesn't have a stable of male friends. Again, those two things aren't mutually inclusive. It may be rarer to find them separate, but a chick with few female friends and no male orbiters is not quite unicorn status.

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        [–]Highranitar 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Exact same situation with my group of friends. And you want to help your beta friend, but he just doesn't listen.

        Aaaand it sucks because you know what she's going to do it him...

        [–]100000nopes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Just out of curiosity are you guys talking about feminine women that hang around guys or just women in general? Do "tomboys" fall into this category as well.

        [–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 0 points1 point  (11 children)

        I've never got why not having female friends is a red flag. I can understand surrounding yourself with guys is a red flag, as women are all about validation and they get it from them, but I see no reason to automatically assume that she is toxic/bat-shit just because she doesn't like women. I don't like women because they're annoying and vain 90% of the time, at least here in the west, and I'm not toxic. Why should she be?

        And I don't see how having tattoos is a red flag, or how it relates back to her being a manipulative power hungry slut who likes having a lot of cock near her to validate herself, and have a backup dick just in case she gets bored or needs to assert control over her main man

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        tattoos on women is seen as a sign of extreme attention seeking. Shes attempting to increase the probably of males fighting for her attention by placing herself in their realm (like gamer chicks, its a fucking front). The tattoos are the modern version of "Got a light?" They use the disguise of being into counter-culture as a method to reel you in so you'll be an orbiter.

        Tattoos also ruin a lot of the natural femininity women are SUPPOSED to display. Along with that, when women get tattoos, its usually accompanied by some very annoying cultural acquisitions like bettie page haircuts, black nail polish, listening to rockabily or psychobilly (not even the good shit like Eddie Cochran, its always punk rockabilly like the Cramps or some gay shit.). Its the same shit over and over again. Dyed red hair (or purple or blue). It plays out over and over and over again.

        [–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        Well that's just stupid. Tattoos arent a sign of anything except the fact you wanted something on your skin forever. Yes, women are attention seeking cunts (see the sjws that get some stupid tattoo like "maletears" or "kill all men"), but thats a feminist. More context of the type of person the woman is is necessary for me. I dont believe that its common enough for it to be something akin to a rule of thumb that you should avoid women with tattoos. Yeah, if they have the whole feminist retarded look going on, bail out, but I disagree that tattoos are anything noteworthy in and of themselves.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        To put into perspective, I've seen this mostly in Atlanta, New York, LA, and Boston. its become a cliche..girls with tattoos. they seem to turn into the same chick time and again. Much like emos with white belts and chucks and bros with popped collars. matter of fact atlanta has a couple sides of town you can see the trope....little 5 points and marietta. its an epidemic. That's one thing i can't stand about rockers now...the prerequisite tattoos. none of my heroes had them.EVH or hendrix or Elvis etc. I'm like the only dude onstage now without a sleeve done. thank God i refused that trend

        [–]MaDSteeZe 1 point2 points  (7 children)

        Can you elaborate? or justify? It's cool to disagree but normally people express WHY they disagree.

        [–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        Im not disagreeing with anything, I want an explanation myself. I see that first one constantly spouting on other subs, and I don't get it. The second has nothing to do with what a person is like, so im confused by that as well. Tattoos are just tattoos. Its not like she got a tramp stamp.

        [–]ManOfGrapes 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I'm in agreement with you. Honestly, if a girl isn't a slut, and she has a tattoo.. it's a turn on for me.

        [–]52576078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        For me, tattoos are a red flag, as are activities like smoking or recreational drug use. It's not an immediate disqualification, but just tilts the balance.

        [–]IProbablyHaveEbola 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        He's just white knighting, pay no mind.

        [–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        That wasnt even close to white knighting. Not every instance of non immediate, enthusiastic agreement or understanding is white knighting. I even said some shit in my comment that would have me called sexist in any other sub

        If I was being a white knight, id call this guy a cunt for his superiority complex and being a dick to a stranger for no reason. Seems like he just felt like having a conversation about why she was a whore. I dont usually have thise kinds of talks with the girls cutting my hair.

        Something like that anyways.

        [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

        So you are acting like it's profound when a woman doesn't want to admit that she is a slut to a stranger. God, this sub keeps getting more fucking retarded as the days go by.

        [–]Safia_Frostweaver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I have an question though. Does the same apply when the couple is married or in a LTR and the friends were the male's but the female also then is friends with them because they always hang out together. For instance my husband has a group of guy friends. Now they are my friends too. I have a few women friends, but when I became disabled most didn't care enough to stick around. Since the guys are lowkey and I can play video games they come over (with my husband and I both there) and we game and play magic and such. Only time they came over without my husband being there was when he had to work, and we needed help moving (we had been robbed). They were there because being disabled I was completely useless and they had trucks.
        It's never been a drama thing but all my gal friends wanted to go out, do stuff, and when I couldn't because I physically couldn't (and I couldn't treat them to lunch because I was no longer working) then they just bailed.
        So does the same apply? Like I do understand if she hangs out with men without her partner, but if they are just mutual friends does it apply?

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          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 14 points15 points  (16 children)

          It makes no difference, it changes absolutely nothing. If she was a butch lesbian with a "masculine mind" then OK, fine, none of the guys even want to fuck her and she's basically a man in a woman's body so she's not even an option to them. But then you wouldn't be dating a butch lesbian if you were a man, would you? The only thing being bi means is that said woman is a great connector for threesomes. It doesn't change her relations with men and how men perceive her/orbit her, she still likes cock and guys still want to fuck her. To be honest, I think 99.9% of women no matter how they identify love cock. I mean a strap-on doesn't beat the real thing, but that's a whole other topic for another time.

          [–]IProbablyHaveEbola 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          To be honest, I think 99.9% of women no matter how they identify love cock. I mean a strap-on doesn't beat the real thing, but that's a whole other topic for another time.

          When? lol I'd love to discuss this. My theory is that homosexuality doesn't even exist in females.

          [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          When? lol

          I steer away from LGBT shit most of the time because that crowd get butthurt too easily and I don't give enough fucks to entertain all the ensuing drama. Could chat in the IRC or something though, if you like. Or if you make a topic, I'll contribute.

          [–]IProbablyHaveEbola 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I would only really be doing it for the crowd but you make a good point. Why bother

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            [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            Not my assertion at all. You have miscomprehended. In fact I think lesbianism is more prevalent because so many men are total pussies so the pussy dries up and the women are socialised into being attracted to other women (or at least, turned off by all the weak ass beta men walking around.) If you have to choose between a pussy with a cock, and a pussy with a pussy and you're as sexually fluid as women are, you're going to choose the pussy with the pussy. However, that doesn't mean you don't like cock. I've heard too many stories of lesbians having sex with alpha guys because "they make exceptions." Basically, if a very manly man (and/or muscular/ripped) comes along and holds his own, lesbians are known to jump on that dick. Can't say I blame 'em. It's a fucked up world we live in. Threesome waiting to happen if it's a dyke couple with two submissives.

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

            Former stripper here (male). I used to fuck a lesbian every month or so. They all told me that every woman needs a good, hard dick once in a while. About 3/4 of them were cheating on their girlfriends.

            I believe there are guys out there who would never touch a pussy in a million years, but every girl wants the right dick.

            [–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Do a post, please, on your experience with bachelorette parties and the bride-to-be.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I'm not sure how much of this is bragging and how much is actually a useful field report so I'll just make a wordy comment of it. Pardon my writing level as I've been day drinking:

            I used to live in the Pacific Northwest (hypergamous hamster paradise) and I saw them all the time and as you'd expect they always want to grab on you. I never let anyone touch me unless they tipped well. This is a bitch by the way, because women feel like they are doing you a favor by touching you (even the uglier ones). I prefer to strip for dudes, because I fuck cute girls on my free time and at work I expect to make money. Even at the lgbt bar bachelorette parties would come in and drink water and not tip so they'd get kicked out. The entitlement was ineffable.

            My favorite experience was off-duty though. I wasn't full red pill then, but I've never been a pussy. I saw some cute girls come into the bar I was in and I walked up and started charming an older, more average, richer-looking one, whom I got to buy me a drink by just, saying, "You're pretty cute, you should buy me a drink". I really just wanted a drink, because this place made bomb Moscow Mules. This resulted in garnering the attention of the other girls and I indulged them with my company and I moved up the ladder from cute chick to cuter chick, totally ignoring the bride-to-be, because I didn't feel like drama, she seemed really timid and like a unicorn kinda girl (boy would I know better now. AWALT.), and I know that ignoring them drives them crazy to a certain extent. Well preselection is a bitch so inevitably she grabs me and we start dancing and she drags me by the hand to the next bar where I refused to pay the $15 cover so she paid it for me. It was a super douchey bar and totally not my scene. No beers on tap, photographers, shitty well drinks that are overpriced (girl's paradise). By the way, if you ever have to order some shitty fru fru girl drink, order a kamikaze, I love those because of this night. We start grinding and she pulls me up on the table where we start dancing until the bouncer pulls me down and says "no guys". She got mad so she got down off the table and we start making out in the corner where everything is well until Fatty McCockblock decides to fuck with things by trying to physically separate us. She says, "You know she's getting married right?" so I told her that I noticed, because of the bright, pink sash. Ham Planet grabs her friend and I told her to meet me out at the side entrance. She did and we went back to my car and fucked like wild animals. No condoms, no pulling out, just straight, crazy, wild cloud bunny sex. She offered her ass when I started toying with her ass while I was hitting that, but I didn't want it. We never exchanged numbers and I am pretty sure I never got her name. It was great and I told her congratulations on getting married and we never spoke again.

            [–]IProbablyHaveEbola 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I believe there are guys out there who would never touch a pussy in a million years, but every girl wants the right dick.

            Exactly. Homosexuality doesn't exist in women, at least not anything like male homosexuals.

            [–]17 Endorsed ContributorJP_Whoregan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Because in my estimation most women are, frankly, terrible "friends", even to each other. If one man doesn't like another man, that man will know it. Women, however, will do absolutely nasty things to other women "friends" behind their back, and smile and call her "sweetie" to her face while she's doing it. Nothing to do with orientation.

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              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Oh wow, good job misreading him. He never said most women prefer men he said most women love cock. Many lesbians have dozens of dildos and strap ons and all kinds of plastic cock paraphernalia.

              [–]GarandTheftAvto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              All of the data on the subject, both from U.S. studies and others, supports the assertion that "almost all" or, more conservatively, "a substantial majority" of women prefer men.

              Studies from various nations, including the U.S., covering varying time periods and age groupings, have produced a consistent statistical range of 1.2–5.6% of the adult population [whom identifies as LGBTQA].

              See, The Williams Institute, How Many people are LBGT?, Gary J. Gates, April 2011, p. 3

              Based on this data, out of approximately 150 million women (in the U.S.), 94.4-98.8% are what scholarship considers "straight," which supports the inference that they would prefer men.

              [–]cheeky--kunt 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              The term "bi" was invented to help selling hair products.