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[–]duckspeed 44 points45 points  (29 children)

Don't forget to practice your chest voice. The most attractive muscles in a man are his vocal chords.

[–]sixfingerring[S] 17 points18 points  (22 children)

Correct. My biased mind forgot to include that since I was lucky enough to be blessed with the reincarnation of Barry Whites voice. Also, food program has now been added to the pack.

[–]Vypur 2 points3 points  (18 children)

i am cursed with a nasaly voice, how do i work on my speech to make it sound more, i don't know, attractive?

Like i speak with confidence but i put no thought into the pitch of my voice, i just speak with my normal voice. should i focus on that and try to improve how to speak. maybe slow it down, articulate more or attempt to speak lower without making it obvious?

[–]beerthroway 18 points19 points  (6 children)

Finally, a comment in my profession.

You should get vocal lessons. Learn to project your voice without increasing the volume. This increases the clarity of your voice and therefore people will listen, especially because if you are speaking clearly without too much volume, you sound less excited (a huge problem for men on the tenor side of the spectrum). Aloofness projects confidence.

Learn to breathe correctly also. A huge thing I notice with singers vs instrumentalists is breath control. If you're not a singer and have never taken a speech class you definitely will not be breathing correctly.

The things you'll learn in vocal lessons will carry beyond singing. You'll learn to shape your vowels, sing/speak with your nose plugged and sound exactly the same, control the pace/tempo of the conversation, control who has the floor when speaking, fighting distractions, and more! (For only $59.99)

To be clear, I'm a music educator (BA, not the fake kind) as well as a vocal coach (endorsed by the state).

[–]Vypur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

sound interesting, i'll look into it, thanks stranger!

i learned in middle school how to breath correctly and exercise regularly so proper breathing i had mostly down. and as someone who has overcome general anxiety breath control was an important focus. And i find i run into that last section often, like the things i talk about.say are just as interesting, if not more interesting, then the person who i just continued from, otherwise i wouldn't say anything but i find people pay less attention to me after the fact and i can only really attribute it to my voice/inflextions.

[–]enteralterego 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is gold - any online courses I can take ? Youtube videos? Skype lessons ? I'd be happy to pay someone to teach me properly how to do this. I don't think reading about it will work?

[–]beerthroway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't really checked out any YouTube videos personally, so I can't recommend anyone, but I'm certain that someone with a lot of views and positive rating would have survived the scrutiny of other vocal coaches.

A huge advantage of one on one lessons is that you'll move more quickly through lessons by getting your exact goals addressed from the onset, as well as someone with a good ear catching any damage you may be causing your voice. I listen to a lot of people speak and can tell very quickly if they are damaging their voice or not. Skype might be tougher for this reason, poor audio quality.

Someone local is your best bet. Find reviews. Ask at your local music store who they recommend for vocal lessons.

Reading can work if you already have a foundation in some type of vocal/speech training, but I guarantee that there will be things you learn in lessons you'll never possibly be able to get from a book, simply because the experience is largely more valuable than the knowledge.

[–]DCLdit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

  • "-before an act or action we need oxygen as fuel"
  • "-draw air into the bottom portion of your lungs before the chest muscles expand and draw further air into the upper portion"

Then talk with your chest.

(from my Cheat Sheet post

beerthroway, as a vocal coach, can you confirm that any of that is good advice? Just want to make sure.

[–]beerthroway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. A solid breath will cause your belly to become a beer belly, your shoulders to drop slightly, it grows from bottom to top, the spine elongates, I've popped my back just from a good breath.

And concerning posture, either stand, or stand from the waist up. Alpha aside, standing from the waist up while sitting will simply give you more air while you sit, therefore you can get more force. This will translate into more conversational power.

[–]1wiseclockcounter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

came across this recently, might be a good place to start.

[–]SammyFitch 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I have a shit voice.

The top reply to you by beerthrowaway is dead on. Increase projection, but not volume. Yelling makes you sound like a frat boy.

One thing no one mentioned is to slow your speaking. When you talk slower your voice deepens, it also comes across more as more confident. Try it out, but I bet you notice that when you speak slower your credibility seems to increase ten fold.

[–]Vypur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

literally tried and noticed results today! i can't believe i never tried this before.

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Easiest 3 tips to start with:

  • slow down
  • speak lower, yes it feels awkward at first
  • speak louder/project more

[–]Kolbykilla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hold your nose (pinch your nostrils together) and practice talking normally. It gives you a good connection to how talking from your chest should feel like.

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    [–]Vypur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Will give it a shot. any other tips? i have a 30 minute care ride every few days or so. should i practie talking slowly there as if i was having a conversation or telling a story to someone?

    [–]NoodlesTheClown 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Look into the exercises and training that male opera singers go through. If you want to hear a badass voice, listen to a bass speak.

    You can train and change the tone and depth of your voice with the correct techniques and training. It's largely about learning to control the shape of your throat and oral cavity to create more depth, resonance, and clarity.

    A nasal voice is more often than not just the result of not speaking with an open throat. Practice speaking with the rear of your tongue as low in your mouth as possible. More space means more resonance and a bigger, clearer, deeper voice.

    This is stuff you can do in the car during your commute, and it only takes a few minutes. Just hum long tones, as deeply as you can. Always strive to hum lower and lower notes, and you'll notice that your voice begins to open up and deepen.

    Your voice can be one of your biggest assets, so train it and learn to use it effectively.

    [–]Vypur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    thanks for the help. at the moment i feel its one of my weakest assets so i'll put a lot of work in to it every time i can. speaking alone in the car for 30 minutes, anytime i talk to people now i'm focusing on speaking from "the mask" and projecting.

    [–]marriedalpha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'm definitely a high pitched alpha, I make up with it with Volume! Everyone knows when I enter the room like a fucking howler monkey.

    [–]cntthnko1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    For the music, i would also add "twenty one pilots." Music and lyrics both just amazing -- granted not TRP directly, but you can see these two guys see the world for what it is when you attentively listen to lyrics. Also the band "Billy Talent," just brilliant.

    To get you started, try "johnny boy" by twenty one pilots and "worker bees" by billy talent.

    [–]Meto1183 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Ayy twenty one pilots! My man!

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Great post OP!

    My biased mind forgot to include that since I was lucky enough to be blessed with the reincarnation of Barry Whites voice.

    I'd recommend using every car ride to work on your voice. Mixtapes with songs you are able to sing, starting with easy songs for warmup.

    If you drive 25 minutes to work that would make about 4 hours of singing practice per week. About 200h per year.

    Even if somebody has no talent at all, it should be enough to strengthen his voice and become decent at karaoke and most of all...enjoy yourself while commuting to and from work.

    [–]TheRealMouseRat 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    do you have any tips for practicing getting a fuller, deeper voice? I thought the only method for this was doing core weight lifting as it increases testosterone.

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      [–]TheRealMouseRat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      thanks, he had some good tips.

      [–]ThisShitRules 34 points35 points  (28 children)

      Deadlift: 5 sets x 5 reps

      yeah, don't think so. 1x5 is good.

      [–]Gabe6678 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      1x5 is actually what's recommended in the stronglifts program. Deadlifts are taxing on the joints.

      [–]1wakethfkupneo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Came here to say this. Deadlifts are the exception. Explained here:

      Why only 1×5 Deadlifts, not 5×5?

      [–]IthieuNoir 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      He goes on to explain that for every exercise, 5x5 means build up to one large set. So you're doing 1 heavy working set, with 4 warm up sets gradually getting heavier. The notation he uses is incorrect/confusing, that's all

      [–]SlappaDaBayssMon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yes this confused me. I'm in the middle of a Starting Strength reboot, and I've always warmed up, and THEN done 5x5 (edit: Of this week's/day's max weight)...have I been doing it wrong this whole time?

      [–]Meto1183 0 points1 point  (21 children)

      1x5 of deads? Why so little?

      [–]FunkMast3r 12 points13 points  (14 children)

      DO you understand the deadlift?

      It is the direct pounding on your central nervous system first then musculature second which include lats, rhomboids, traps, hamstrings, glutes and spinal tensors, plus a billion stabilisers.

      That shit is taxing.

      [–]Meto1183 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      You can say that same thing about squats to a slightly lesser degree though. I don't understand why that warrants doing less though.

      [–]cuttingedge123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      it's because ur moving the weight from a deadstop which makes it more demanding on the nervous system

      [–]zareason -2 points-1 points  (11 children)

      Only if you just started lifting.

      [–]FunkMast3r 3 points4 points  (5 children)

      true, but since it works so many muscles all at once it is still more taxing than any other lift.

      1x5 is just fine.

      I generally do 5x1 then some volume afterwards

      [–]zareason 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      Yeah that's true.

      5 heavy singles? That is way too much for your nervous system. You won't even be able to stay on the same weight.

      I do bodybuilding and i do on deadlifts 4 sets of 12-10-8- (4-6) trying to go to failure on 3 of these sets.

      [–]FunkMast3r 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      You're absolutely right.

      I lifted 335 4x Friday then today I went for 335 x5

      I could barely get it up my shins, had to keep dropping weight until I could finally lift 295. Then dropped it down to 225 for 10, then 135 for 16 x 2

      I am dead right now at the end of a ten hour shift. Fuck my life

      [–]zareason 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      It's hard to recover well from deadlifts. Most powerlifting programs have people deadlifting once a week, with maybe some low weight stiff leggs another day.

      [–]Ronin11A 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Yes, but said programs replace deadlift work with assistance work to hammer the posterior chain. Banded good mornings, traditional good mornings, Romanian deadlifts for volume, et cetera.

      Both Starting Strength and its poor rip off cousin Strong Lifts are pressing heavy, and most athletes would actually benefit in terms of injury prevention and mobility to have closer to a 1:1 ratio of pressing:pulling (at a minimum... Joe Franco actually pushes for closer to a 1:2 ratio).

      [–]zareason 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Romanian/stiff legs are almost the same. Deadlift variations are still a deadlift, and like the close grip bench press, pause bench they will help your deadlift.

      When it comes to the pressing/pulling ratio it depends on the individual. For someone that just started lifting they should have a balanced routine, but at the same time due to deadlift and benching having different recovery peroids you can't get an equal ratio.

      No one is going to get injured if they press more then they pull per weak. You're always going to have a stronger back and deadlift as long as you deadlift and do some back assistance work.

      What injurres people are bad form, and not targeting muscle groups at all. Their's a difference between pressing a lot while recovering, then training only your front delt out of your three deltoids.

      [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      it's always the CNS killer. new guys can handle more because your muscles are actively working against what you can lift, so they can avoid injury

      [–]zareason 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      What? No

      The longer you lift the faster you will recover and the more you will adapt.

      [–]1Dev_on 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      muscles... yes. We are talking about your central nervous system, and it's a whole other beast. After lifting for a good decade, it gets more and better connections, but a month of lifting weights isn't going to give you the CNS of a powerlifter, it just isn't. It's one of those things like bone density. it improves throuhg weights, but don't expect changes for a very long time.

      [–]zareason 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Yes i never said it takes a month.

      [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      yeah, I get the impression that OP is referring to a short term type result <1 year

      [–]rpscrote 3 points4 points  (5 children)

      drains the shit out of your CNS. It's the single most involved lift (tied/slightly more involved than squat) and it's the single heaviest lift. Ultimately you should be doing it so heavy that you can't get more than 3 on your top set if you pyramid up/down or 1x5 if you go for broke on a single set. Im not advanced enough to need that yet so I still pyramid to a top set 1x5 followed by a 10% weight reduction and then a second 1x5 set.

      If you can do more than 2x5 heavy sets, you're not putting in enough effort. Your heart should be pounding, you should feel wobbly and exhausted. If your diet isnt on point you'll get light headed

      [–]Meto1183 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Yeah but why not do 3x3? 2x4? 1x5 and 1x3? I just don't get why 1x5 is the magic number

      [–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      there isn't really a magic number. 1x5 is a good starting point, and once you get a feel for where you're at you move from it. Really strong dudes start doing heavy triplets, heavy doubles, heavy singles eventually. Ends up being like 9-10 total reps spread out over 3 sets pyramiding up. This is for dudes pulling like 500+ lbs tho.

      5x5 for sure will drain the piss out of you. I do 2x5 still myself since im only intermediate. Also, with things that drain your CNS more is usually not better. You want to do 2x sets at something very heavy and then stop. It's how you manage on a cut as well since you recover more slowly. Same theory applies for any of the big lifts. Maintained strength over a retardedly dramatic protein sparing modified fast (1k daily deficits...) by doing very few work sets at as high of a weight as I could manage.

      [–]Meto1183 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yeah that's what I thought too, my go-to is do some warmups, then a work set of 3x3, then see how I feel and maybe do another set or deload and do a little bit before I wrap it up.

      [–]Ronin11A 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      This. It's why Louie Simmons went with so much dynamic and assistance work with the Conjugate Method. Dudes just couldn't pull heavy all the time, even on anabolic steroids.

      [–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      not to mention going heavy all the time in everything really increases your chances on an injury that will set you back for months

      [–]Coffee_Lad 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      Id be very interested in a copy of your 8-week eating program.

      Also fantastic post for beginners like myself, ill have to check out the music recommendation later today, always looking for some new tunes, although Im more of a lounge jazz man myself.

      [–]Diece 12 points13 points  (2 children)

      Honestly, there's only one book youn need to read for this shit. The Book of Pook.

      Once you're done with The Book of Pook you will never want to read another self-help book again.

      [–]SebastianFawst 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Couldn't agree more. The Fountain of Youth section was the most enlightening thing I've read in some time and the concept is so simple anyone can understand. I can't say enough good things about it.

      [–]EmperorAurelius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That good? I have it but have yet to start it.

      [–]stoicly_whimsical 10 points11 points  (3 children)

      I feel that the general self improvement stuff is good but there is so much stuff to do and so many different opinions.

      You may say read Freud, dress well, meditate and play an instrument.

      I might say strip down a motorbike, learn to cook, become fluent in several languages and play chess.

      All are worthwhile pursuits. I think ultimately boil it down to what you actually enjoy and will dedicate yourself to. No point doing something you hate and won't commit to.

      Something to keep in mind, emphasis on physical fitness is great but often RPers forget about mental and spiritual health.

      No point being a buff old man if your brain has turned to mush.

      Also may be better to try and get something like this up more permanently if you've invested a lot into it, like on a blog or similar if you're so inclined.

      [–]sixfingerring[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I couldn't agree more, but in order for some people to get started, they need pointers. After a while, they'll figure out what they really do like and what they don't. First then can they start to shape their lives like they want to. It's all about finding out your likes and dislikes at first.

      [–]EmperorAurelius 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Any suggestions on developing mentally and spiritually? Thanks.

      [–]stoicly_whimsical 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Pretty busy so this will be short and not very well formatted.

      Physical health, fitness and diet does tie in and is of benefit mentally.

      Can't think well if you're sleep deprived or eating poorly.

      Might be a bit vague but you can usually tell when you are using your mind.

      Challenge yourself, learn new things and keep your mind sharp.

      Nurture relationships and friendships. Within these have your wind down time, shooting the breeze and just relaxing but also debate, have discussions on technical things, religion, politics etc. Have those challenging discussions and passionate backwards and forwards.

      Puzzles. Word games, board and card games. Not necessarily nerdy stuff but chess, sodoku and so on are obvious examples. Video games may have some benefits too, just watch for addiction and negative impacts.

      Read and be open to discover new things. Non fiction obviously but any good fiction will contain themes relevant to the world that you can relate to, also helps expand your vocabulary and grasp of english. As an example George Orwell's 1984 and the relation to the current state of surveillance of and intrusion into our lives by our governments.

      Languages, learn them. I'm pretty time poor but if travelling make an effort to get the basics down pat, like simple counting, yes/no, manners and some basic foods.

      Various hobbies are good to if you're having to think. Say woodworking you may be using spatial reasoning as you imagine the assembly of 2d wood to a 3d assembly, creativity obviously.

      Art is good for your brain.

      I feel like I'm waffling a bit now, but it is hard to quantify.

      Not like I can say.

      • 3x1 Political debate
      • 2x2 Painting
      • 1x5 Crosswords

      Intelligence then is also way more vague to measure and evaluate.

      Do you even French bro ?

      Far more vague than that but essentially don't be a shut in that just watches reality tv. Get your brain engaged and keep it sharp. Both sides too creative and logical.

      Visiting your family or friends have a game of scrabble or poker or whatever and have a lively discussion of the state of the world or just talk shit, whatever.

      Ultimately though do you what you enjoy obviously.

      Spiritually, much harder for me to quantify as I am an atheist so I'm good. Mainly I find it through history, knowledge and facts but also discussing meaning and purpose in life with those that are religious or with different spiritual views.

      Obviously some may find it in faith and religion, meditation, yoga, self reflection.

      [–]Chlue 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Good post, I agree on nearly everything except the meditation part,

      I suggest you sit in a comfortable chair instead of lay, when you lay it will probably be in your room, your brain will automatically associate it with sleeping (laying, bedroom). I suggest you sit in a comfortable chair instead, with your back straight and hands on your upper legs.

      [–]zareason 15 points16 points  (7 children)

      No offence dude but you're lifting program is shit. If you're going to recommend a powerlifting program don't make up your own. Also powerlifting won't give you the same look as a body builder

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        [–]Kolbykilla 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Most bodybuilding programs include compound powerlifting lifts. But honestly most people in this sub just wanna work towards aesthetics. Yeah a strength program is good, but its not gonna get you jacked. You need high volume and a clean diet to get jacked and even then it takes awhile without gear.

        [–]zareason 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Not really, many powerliftng programs have assistance work. But overall his program isn't cohesive and weird.

        [–]j_ll 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yep. Head over to /r/bodybuilding or /r/bodybeast for beginners and you'll find info on programs.

        [–]VegasHostTre -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

        This exactly! You CANNOT get anything past a Brad Pitt Fight Club look doing this routine. Once you get past your beginner gains and losses if your losing weight, you will have to switch to a new one.

        I want a V-Taper. I can't a V-Taper doing this routine because I need to do more than just 2 sets of 15 pullups per week.

        [–]Kolbykilla 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Yeah if you want a good body a strength program (which op outlined) is not what you want to do. You need a bodybuilding program to build that mass, and get your desired body.

        [–]SlappaDaBayssMon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yes but this is the "starter pack." This will get you going if you are new to lifting or, like me, get bored easily with SL type programs.

        [–]ohboyahuman 3 points4 points  (6 children)

        As a professional keyboardist/guitarist/bassist/singer and teacher, I have a couple of things to point out.

        1. a. On bass and guitar, practice chromatic scales. Don't worry about diatonic (within a key) scales, just yet. Worry about where notes fit on the fingerboard. Get to know them intimately. Your ability to play notes accurately and competently, as well as your knowledge of where they are, is what will build the best foundation, after you understand that, scales will be worth more to you.
        2. Scales < Chords. Learn to be a rhythm player before you even start becoming a soloist. To do this, transcribe. Listen to songs, learn chord charts, learn chords. Listen to exactly what a player you like is doing and copy it to the T. In order to speak the language, you need vocabulary and feel. You learn the best when you're imitating. Imitate who you like, and you will sound like them.

        3. COME ON, MAN. Jazz is the most important thing ever. It's legitimately a music about seizing the moment and having it give into you and what you have to express. Listen to Miles Davis, Ahmad Jamal, Herbie Hancock, Sonny Stitt, John Coltrane, Art Blakey, Charles Mingus, and Bill Evans, in my opinion. But there is amazing stuff out there. Most of modern music is based of jazz. It's a great history lesson.

        [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (5 children)

        don't forget the play between tension and release. something about music where I cannot anticipate what the next note will be, it's very entertaining to me

        [–]ohboyahuman 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        Learning to understand those concepts will make you a great player from start to finish. Tension and release are what it's all about!

        [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        TBH, I can't stand Jazz once it gets past it's first beginings, mostly because they play with it so much, I find it loses it's melody...

        but thats just me, and I agree with the idea behind it.

        [–]ohboyahuman 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Melody is totally subjective! BUT, your opinion is all that matters to yourself (obviously). Check out more modern crossover hip-hop stuff, like Robert Glasper and Snarky Puppy. Both jazz. Both relevant.

        Jazz was given a bad name by the 70-90s. Everyone was way too coked up, and it didn't change shit. Now, we have straight-edge motherfuckers playing sweet soulful shit just like the old, old days.

        [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I still remember acid jazz/rap from the 90s. was a decent fan of it. Nowadays I find a lot of the better dubstep artists around kind of play with the concept in a different way, though theres a lot of crap in between the gems

        [–]ohboyahuman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Well, it's not a phase, apparently. Jazz is just more in the direction now of funk, R&B, and hip hop. It used to be country, at one point, and then folk, and then funk, then rock, and then it tends toward groove and soul. I like it.

        [–]abcd_z 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        This is a complete breakdown of everything that isn't game

        And for that, this is a compilation of some of the best game posts of all time.

        Don't try to read it all at once, you'll just get overloaded with information. Read a bit, go in-field and approach women and put it to good use.

        [–]16 Endorsed ContributorGayLubeOil 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        There are excel spreadsheats available online that will tell you're exact weight progression every week. If your actually going to 5x5 then you should use those

        [–]thelotusknyte 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        Or download the Stronglifts app.

        [–]stickfiguresk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        That is not a Bill Starr routine. That is a routine similar to Bill Starr's routine, but the manly exercises were cut out to fit the author's comfort zone, while bro-work was added for masturbatory purposes. It's not a bad routine, but it is also not a bad ass routine, like Bill Starr or Rippetoe would recommend. Verify with google.

        Mandatory reading list for weightlifting: starting strength and practical programming. Use practical programming to build your own fucking routine and stop getting horse shit handed to you by internet brofessors. High pulls are awesome.

        [–]Sandkasten 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Now, the aim of this post is to arm you guys with a complete step-by-fucking-step guide

        TRP shows parallels to cult. Here is you workout plan, eat this, read this, do this, avoid this. Do it! Follow this commandments and you'll be enlightened.

        I can summarize the whole thread: Raise your SMV.

        What that means? Do your research. I don't need a step-by-fucking-step guide because I'm an autonomous man. I eat what I want. I train like I want. I dress like I want. I read what I want. I listen to what I want.

        The Pareto Principle in TRP sub? 20% lead, 80% follow?

        [–]RawrMeReptar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Meridian points? What hippie nonsense is this?

        [–]jabbahabba 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        trp seems to be full of skinny-fat faggots that just started lifting and giving other people advice already, fucking bullshit

        [–]SamGill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        i would disagree - for light lifters (e.g. under 100 kg for 5 reps on the squat) it's better to pound it out with 5x5 at a single weight - you'll have to warm up to it though - for faster progress.

        [–]flyingwolf 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        Good info, but drop the bullshit meridian line crap. The massage feels nice but it's not connected. Just spend a few bucks and get a nice massage once a week.

        [–]bytesunfish 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Once a week sounds like a lot of money. Part of having high SMV is being financially successful. Spending $100-$150(?) Seems contrary to that. Just have a gf/female friend/plate do it for you.

        Just one man's opinion

        [–]flyingwolf 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Most massage places around her charge 30 bucks for a 30 minute session, 120 a month for a massage is a good price.

        [–]bytesunfish 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I wasn't clear. My monetary estimates were meant to be per month, not per session.

        I don't see the price being unfair, I just feel that my money would probably be better spent in other ways. Call it $1,200 dollars a year is a lot if you save or invest it and that's just from one change. Even switching to every other week puts $600 dollars in your pocket.

        [–]flyingwolf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Completely understood.

        And I agree, having a freind or someone doing it for you is obviously much cheaper.

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          [–]feelinglazy -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

          Who cares, you can understand it right.

          [–]Scroph 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          I think it was meant as a compliment rather than an insult.

          [–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 5 points6 points  (10 children)

          I'd check /r/malefashionadvice for style advice as well. More efficient than people watching at your local cafe.

          [–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope 12 points13 points  (1 child)

          MFA has a really solid sidebar. Start by learning how clothes should fit. Next, read about colors. After that, you should unsubscribe. MFA is overrun by skinny teen boys, hipsters, and divas.

          Resist the urge to replace your entire wardrobe. Buy a few items at a time, starting with everyday stuff. Work and weekend clothes. Take your time. Wear your first purchases for a few weeks to make sure you're satisfied with the fit.

          Too muscular, too tall, or too heavy? You may never find clothes that fit off the rack. In that case, I strongly recommend you try "made to measure" sites like You can get clothes custom made for your exact fit. Price is frequently less than buying something "close" and paying to have it tailored.

          [–]PookIsLovePookIsLife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I think it depends where you live. If you're in a metropolitan area, dressing like the guys on MFA will get you positive female attention. If you're living in a rural area on the other hand, you might look gay. It's all contextual.

          [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          never listen to advice there. too much groupthink, and circlejerking. though I live in a fairly well dressed city, so the coffe shop actuallu would be better. the sidebar is alright, but remember thats 4 years of 'best of' and there was a lot of filler they removed

          though once you get a style, you just add to it. each shirt I buy works with all the pants I own kind of thing

          [–]MAY_BE_TOM_BRADY -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

          Fuck that sub visit /r/streetwear and /r/sneakers to get those OG hunnies

          [–]Kolbykilla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          To get OG hunnies, all you got to do is lift, wear clothing that fits and looks decent at best, and have a good personality.

          [–]kasper0 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

          Looks like hipster type stuff. Is it field tested?

          [–]gravgp2003 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I wear this kind of clothing, but very selectively. Usually go on and pick up a few things. It takes me a long time to sift through all the crap, but in the end you get a really fresh stylish look.

          You used the word hipster, but I don't think anyone even knows what that dumb ass generalization term even means.

          [–]spectrum_92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I agree with most of what you're saying but i don't know why you included listening to the sort of music you like in a guide to becoming a man.

          [–]cheechawcheechaw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Next, we have body language. I can't stress this shit enough, BODY LANGUAGE IS EVERYTHING!!.

          You can't emphasize this enough. This is big.

          [–]orvken1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Good post but I disagree with MOOC thing.

          When I was a sweet little beta, I was doing lots of MOOCs just because of it was MOOC. I was active in the forum and what not. But MOOC courses are often really introductory and useless, depending on your career. I'd suggest to skip that and read a book instead. Its clearer and more through. Most I do now is go to MITOCW and look at one graduate course and look at their 'reading textbook'.

          Speaking of book, do you have recommendation for FICTION that is recent (2000s)

          [–]sixfingerring[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Really depends on the class you're taking. I've signed up for Game Theory at Stanford and Introduction to Music Production at Berklee, and by the looks of it, it's gonna tough as fuck. The two courses will be accompanied by a professor from the school, so it's not just some course you run through on your own time. Finding a course with a professor is key.

          For fiction, I suggest Kenneth Follet - Pillars of the Earth, David Mitchell - Cloud Atlas, Fall of Giants, also by Kenneth Follet or W.G. Sebald - Austerlitz.

          [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Remember, you're talking about a lot of guys who haven't worked our/stretches for along time. Squats can be killer if they don't have the hip mobility to go with it.

          Start slow, use the bar until you can get all the way down without rounding your back. injuries set you back, and avoiding them is more important than the one last plate.

          stay save

          [–]michael6795 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          Tips for a full-time student? ie. Ivy league, tough as shit, hard to find to lift at the moment

          [–]instaswole 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          I don't know your personal schedule, but personally, I'm a science major at a prestigious university who works in a research lab, and still finds an hour per day to get to the gym. You just gotta find the motivation to fit it in your schedule. I've been going to the gym daily for almost 2 years now, and honestly its one of the highlights of my day. I almost feel empty without going.

          [–]Philosophicaltree 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'm at a top 20 as well, and I can still find 3-4 hours per week to go to the gym. I don't watch TV, and I'm always out studying while my housemates are hanging out. You just have to make it a priority. It will help with sleep, stress, and grades as well.

          [–]MAY_BE_TOM_BRADY 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Pull ups, push ups and sit ups every day. You won't put on mass but you will look so much better without a shirt on.

          [–]michael6795 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          That's fair. I do have a pull-up bar that I should make more use of as well.

          [–]EmperorAurelius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I really really like posts like these. Good job.

          [–]Clicks_Anything 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I want your food plan! I'm trying to lean out first. (Decently strong naturally, and work in steel.) I'm way to busy with school and work to start lifting consistantly. Sounds like an excuse but I've lost about 20 pounds. I kinda plateaued though and can't get that last 10 off

          [–]zareason 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Lower your carbs, add exercise. After you plateau again repeat the same process.

          [–]Masonjarteadrinker2 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Seems like a good workout routine, I need to give that a shot.

          [–]j_ll 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          You can do better. Head over to /r/p90x or /r/BodyBeast or /r/bodybuilding and you'll see some good programs that are more comprehensive and come from fitness professionals.

          [–]Masonjarteadrinker2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Thank you very much, I've been lifting for years now but that one just seemed simple and sometimes I overwhelm myself when I get there, I probably go a good 4 to 5 times a week though.

          [–]cuttingedge123 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          how do u guys find the time to do all this shit?what do u do so u have so much free time

          [–]j_ll 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I get off reddit and go to the fucking gym every day.

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            [–]zareason 0 points1 point  (5 children)

            You're already lean, if you want to cut more just drop your carbs/add more cardio.

            At the same time, you can't try to look like fitness models because at their bodyfat you won't be able to get hard.

            [–]Kolbykilla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            The majority of fitness models (male) are on roids .

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              [–]zareason -1 points0 points  (2 children)

              If a man get's under 7-6 percent bodyfat without being on roids he won't be able to get hard.

              So people shouldn't aim to be as lean as fitness models.

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                [–]zareason 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Yes i said such a thing would happen if a person is under 7-6 percent.

                [–]gran_helvetia -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                Now that's a fucking great post right there

                [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                Is English really your 3rd language? You type more coherently than most native speakers. Well done.

                [–]AntixD -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                this is a fucking great post,would love to see the 8 week meal plan though

                [–]zareason -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                Why do you pushdowns twice a week and extensions once? Extensions hit the long head of the tricep which will give you that mass.

                Same thing for barbell and dumbbell curls, they both hit the same head and are in the same position of flexion. I would replace one with preacher hammer curls/reverse curls.

                [–]Moolg86 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                8 week meal plan for 500 please

                [–]sixfingerring[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                You don't need to give me 500 whatever, dude. The meal plan is at the bottom of the thread.