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[–]kranos33 63 points64 points  (41 children)

18. She has major emotional stability issues (i.e. Bipolar, BPD, etc). When going through either manic phase (or sometimes even depression), some girls will want to fuck, and if you are not around, anybody will do.

[–]Areimanes 47 points48 points  (36 children)

Note to everyone: if a girl has Borderline Personality Disorder, don't date her. Don't emotionally invest in her. Don't befriend her. Fuck, I'd say don't even plate her.

They have a way of getting under your skin and pealing off your emotional armour - especially if they're hot (and they're always crazy good at sex) - that even the most RedPilled TRPer would have a hard time withstanding. If you're a newbie, chances are you'll get fucked emotionally.

Pump & Dump women with BPD. Nothing else.

Source: fist hand experience.

[–]sunwukong15 18 points19 points  (2 children)

4 months into swallowing the pill and a year and a half long relationship with a girl with BPD is what brought me here.

STAY AWAY! It is not worth it. I have her blocked from absolutely every media outlet but she stills tries to contact me. They are amazing actors. They have no empathy. They live to lie. They cheat, and they do it well.

And most of all, they take their time to open up to you. I did not know about her BPD until 5 months into the relationship. I was already hooked and her had so much ammo to dish out at me. They find out what in the very core of your heart, what means the most to you, and they declare Total War against you. You will leave a conversation feeling like YOU'RE the crazy one. And in a few hours they will be crawling back, begging forgivness, telling you none of its true.

Women with BPD will not often tell you they have it. Look at the list in the OPs post, a lot of them can also be used to spot a borderline. The BIGGEST indication is a lack of female friends. Borderlines use their sexuality to make friends, women see right through their shit.

[–]zestysteve 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Don't date anyone with BPD, I ignored this and married one. The problem is, I was a beta and didn't know it.
Heed this warning, Heed it hard. When you're 19 and don't know what to do about life or women, just fuck em. I thought everything was ok, albeit it wasn't, but then a baby came and that shot the BPD into high gear, high mother fucking gear. Everything in op's statement was leading me to believe he had married my ex. Until the smoking statement and the going out alone statement. This broad would throw fits if she wasn't invited out with the guys... Typing this is incredibly difficult, cause I can look back and say WTF were you doing. Honestly, I still don't know if I know what I'm doing. The happy ending is that I got full custody of my daughter and couldn't be happier. No fight from the slore, cause that would interfere with her party life.

I love my daughter. The problem is, I would do it again for my daughter a hundred times over. God damn feels.

[–]1Zanford 21 points22 points  (4 children)

I'd classify crazy chicks as 'Expert Mode' - don't mess with them unless your game is at the point where you can easily deflect shit tests and frame challenges, avoid catching feelings for her, and MOST importantly, keep the girl isolated from your social and professional life so she can't sabotage 'em later.

Maybe record your sex sessions so she can't FRA. Good news is that, in my experience, crazy chicks are the most willing to let you make dirty pics and vids with em.

Also, telling your later girls the crazy stories of their stalker obsession can lend a weird sort of preselection

[–]sunwukong15 23 points24 points  (3 children)

No. They are not a mode. Stay away.

These are the women who sperm jack, lie about rape, stab you, assault you and claim you attacked them.

[–]Equality10010 2 points3 points  (2 children)

My ex has accused 3 men of rape, not in courts but amongst friends. She's a BPD. also my first BPD gf told me she was molested when I broke up with her.

[–]1niczar 4 points5 points  (1 child)

BPD is strongly associated with childhood abuse, but since they lie so fucking much, it's basically impossible to know if it's true.

[–]Equality10010 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've wondered the same thing myself with 2 BPD s I know

[–]MrArtfulDodger 2 points3 points  (18 children)

How exactly do they fuck you emotionally if you're a strong man? How do they get under your skin?

[–]Areimanes 19 points20 points  (6 children)

A quick write-up and certainly not in-depth from my point of view based on a relationship I had many years ago before I found TRP and I was basically blue pill incarnate. It's even embarrassing to write up, but people are here to learn from other people's mistakes:

A woman with BPD can masquerade as a perfect unicorn if she's set her eyes on you. You end up with a Jekyll and Mr. Hyde type relationship.

In the beginning, you'll only see Jekyll. She'll be a Blue Pill dream girl. Sweet, caring, nurturing. Crazy sex I can't even begin to describe. You're living the dream. You bond on a level you didn't think was possible. Until she turns into Mr. Hyde. Maybe you offended her in some way (a casual remark, not being on time, not remembering something, etc).

She grows cold, distant. You apologize and make up for it. She turns back into Jekyll and your life is sunny and honey again.

The periods where you're with Jekyll are some of the best you'll ever have and the times you're with Mr. Hyde are some of the worst.

But Mr. Hyde comes out more often and often and the ante to turn her into Jekyll again keeps going up and up.

Soon you're always with Mr. Hyde, and Jekyll only appears every now and again. You keep thinking back of the good times. You want to be with Jekyll, so you'll keep digging that hole to appease her. If only I could do 'this' and she'd turn back into Jekyll and my life would be great!

(Incidentally, dread game doesn't work on women with BPD long term. They will forget about you once they've fully turned into full-time Mr. Hyde.)

Someone reading this might think "That would never happen to me! I have the knowledge of TRP and I'll just next her!" That's true, it might not. However, as I said - this woman will mold herself to be your unicorn. If you get sucked in the spider's web - even with the knowledge of TRP and BPD - you might still not make it out before being eaten.

Fortunately I did manage to get out after I had an epiphany where I no longer cared about being with her, but it took me a few months to fully recover emotionally.

The phrase 'Go Fuck Ten Other Women' was never more apt in helping me get over her.

[–]MrArtfulDodger 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I dated a girl with BPD for a three months and I only saw Jekyll for 99% of the relationship. However, there were a few times where red flags popped up in my head and I thought to myself, "What the fuck?" For example, she is self-conscious about her food habits and I told her that peanut butter overall is not healthy and she yelled," Stop!" out of fucken nowhere. I literally saw her eyes change from mellow and innocent to what looked like demons emerging from her soul through her eyes. Crazy shit. Her eyes went crazy. And there were also some moments where I would catch her emotionally checking out. What I mean by that is she would just stare at me like nobody was home. It was fucken creepy and her eyes looked black and empty. She was checking out of reality which I'm thinking was a defense mechanism created when she went through rough shit when she was a child (this is speculation but many woman who deal with this can be attributed to a rough child such as a parent not giving her love). The term is called disassociating. I didn't realize some of these signs until after the relationship ran its course. There were red flags all over the place looking back but this image she displayed of being the girl of your dreams overshadowed these flags popping up. Another red flag was when she came over once and was in a bad mood. She was irritable and sad. Then I said something funny and she was dying laughing and crying she was laughing so hard. A 180 degree mood swing in less than a couple seconds.

The thing is I kept pretty strong boundaries from the start. If she did something I didn't like I told her I don't respect that and I don't want to see you do that around me. Creating strong boundaries with women like this that are essentially children in adult bodies helps to control herself because she knows if she acts out of line I am valuable enough to seek other women.

To your point - I never was emotionally affected because I am a strong guy and I mostly saw her good side. The "unicorn illusion." She literally shaped herself to the image I wanted in a woman. Maybe if the relationship ran on longer I would truly see her inner demons. Overall, if I ran into another girl like this I'd make her a plate. If I saw Mr. Hyde more than I did with this girl then yea I would just peace out and cut contact.

[–]Areimanes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You played it well and held frame.

However, the normal advice for people - especially newbies - is to never get involved in the first place. It's for the same reason you cut off all contact with a Oneitis: those people aren't at that level yet emotionally where they can continue being with her on their terms without hurting themselves or being passive aggressive towards her.

They're stuck in the 'Unconscious incompetence' phase. So you give basic advice that will work. To someone in the (Un)Conscious competence phase, this advice need not apply. They're competent enough to handle themselves. However, you don't see those people asking for advice on how to deal with a Oneitis - and that's why the same advice is always given (cut off all contact, next).

[–]RaiseOnce 3 points4 points  (0 children)

and they'll rationalize it with the famous marilyn monroe quote, further proving the fact that the hamster knows no bounds.

[–]not2close 9 points10 points  (9 children)

I have BPD and I promise you there is no set rule book. We spin shit left and right. Manipulate the fuck out of someone and use them. There's no reason other than feeling alive. Sometimes we know exactly what we're doing, or sometimes we have no clue and just feeling intense pain and confusion in our head that we take it out on our SO.

One day everything is going great life seems wonderful, then a series of small bullshit things happen and you want to die because you feel worthless. It's a vicious cycle of extreme ups and downs. In our head situations don't make sense. You feel alone yet loved. You need to feel alive so you inflict pain on yourself. Oh that's enough? Let's just ruin this person trying to love us because pain causes pleasure. Yet you hate what you're doing to your SO, which causes you to hate yourself even more.

Our world is a dark twisted wonderland filled with our demons and angels constantly at war. Good luck to those willing to venture through.

[–]zestysteve 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Oh man, I remember the manipulation. She was a fucking pro at it. So much, I would get caught up in it. One day, I stopped and wondered why was she lying to everyone about everything. I guess I thought she wasn't doing that to me. I just couldn't live with the manipulation (mostly the cheating on me while I was going thru cancer treatment and raising my daughter) anymore, it was too God damn stressful. Walking on eggshells to having to pick her up off the floor when she fell flat on her face because she was piss drunk from drinking Bourbon straight from the bottle all night.

Ok, too many feels just came up.

[–]not2close 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm truly sorry. BPD or not putting someone through that is evil. I hope you got yourself out of that relationship and things turned around.

[–]Equality10010 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are disguised and only after meeting a few BPD s do you know what to look for. They're ability to manipulate emotions is a gift you could only appreciate if you've seen it in action. They are more than a worthy adversary with no regard for their own well being.

[–]Equality10010 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree, I dated 3 women with BPD. A BPD chick is a normal chick times 100. They will get under your skin. They have a gift for emotional manipulation that's to be feared, hated and be impressed with all at the same time. I don't care how RP you are, stay away even if you keep the armor in tact they'll find a way to do something. You know she's BPD if she's really cool at first, very into you and she gets close to you very quickly. Then they strike. A switch goes off, anything you say is annoying to them or hurtful. They also start to drink more or do more drugs. Many of them prostitutes when they can't afford drugs. At the end of this game they almost kinda plate spin, cause if you leave them they'll collapse.

[–]bdub85 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I've dated two chicks with BPD, and I agree that they are only good for fvcking. Also, if you are emotionally weak, they will mentally crush you. One day they will be fvcking you and telling you how much she loves you and the next day she'll be doing it to another guy.

I love BPD chicks though. They are like a bad drug. They make you feel amazing and they are usually freaks in bed. The problem is everything they do is just an act, and they do it to every guy they mess with.

[–]shebrokemintopieces 3 points4 points  (1 child)

  1. She has major emotional stability issues (i.e. Bipolar, BPD, etc). When going through either manic phase (or sometimes even depression), some girls will want to fuck, and if you are not around, anybody will do.

wow , depressive self loathing, having trouble with your steady so any chump willing to validate a chicks feelings gets to pump and dump..

[–]1tombreck2 297 points298 points  (31 children)

Spot on list from top to bottom

[–]teamjkforawhile 103 points104 points  (19 children)

As somebody who just clued in and divorced one, I agree 100%. Most of those could have been written about my relationship without changing a word. I'd add number 16. She's in her late 20s and that's why she's suddenly interested in you instead of her previous long, very long line of "bad boys".

[–]dank8844 63 points64 points  (18 children)

The number of times I've heard that I'm who they'll be looking for when they want to get married is what led me directly here. If I'm not good enough then, what makes them think they'll be good enough in the future

[–]RPRob1 118 points119 points  (7 children)

My Grandfather said this to me when I was young. He said,

"RPRob1, you're the kind of guy girls will ignore when you're young, but trip over themselves to be with you in their 30s."

It wasn't until a few months ago that I realized he was trying to warn me.

[–]GhostOfAladdin 15 points16 points  (4 children)

That's great. What other wisdom has he shared?

[–]RPRob1 43 points44 points  (3 children)

One the ones that still stick out to me is about food.

"Eat food you hate. Not because it'll make the food you enjoy taste better, but when you're forced to eat exotic food in front of clients you'll be able to stomach it without making faces."

He was telling me this because he was the Guest of Honor in a village in Malaysia and was served Monkey brain. I had some bad habits as a teen and lived with him for a summer. He beat the shit out of those habits. Sadly he passed away when I was 17. So much wisdom I wished I'd listened to and could ask him about now.

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    [–]RPRob1 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    He was a complete badass. Served in Vietnam. Afterward become a Biochemical Engineer and created new fuels for companies. Got divorced in the 60s and married a model in the early 70s. Smoke and drank for 60yrs. Was allergic to anesthetic so when he had back issues and had to get 4 (FOUR) spinal taps clean and awake. He was a 6'7" beast. Came over here during Ellis Island operations from southern Ireland during the tail end of the Great Depression.

    I don't even have 1/20th of the Alpha-ness he had.

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      [–]2 MRedPillWatchTower 61 points62 points  (2 children)

      I think this article will be right up your alley. What they are doing is putting their hypergamy on full, open display. The feminine imperative now not only expects you to accept AF/BB, they expect you to be enthusiastic about being her BB. If they peg a beta early in his 20's, and starve him of enough sex while he's young, they think he'll be so eager for their pussy when he turns 30 that he will gladly open that wallet in exchange for some 30-something duty sex.

      I always get the most activity on OKC and POF when I put headlines like "No Single Mothers" or "No older women over 30 pls". The hate-o-grams that flood in are funny as hell. It's just pure entertainment. By doing this, I'M the one excluding them, rather than the other way around. They think they have exclusive rights to have "standards". Totally turns the tables.

      [–]GhostOfAladdin 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Haha. My friends think im crazy cause I exclude, as well.

      [–]HeinousFu_kery 22 points23 points  (0 children)

      Because you're "nice" - she assumes she can waltz in with her baggage and you'll happily carry her shit while she continues to invent reasons why she's not responsible for the selfish decisions she makes.

       Hint: It'll be your fault.

      If you combine some of that with the Dark Triad you'd have my ex. My approach, no abortions, serious drinking or smoking and very successful via manipulation - the rest was all there.

      I got out of it with my cash intact and negative blood work.

      Someone else's problem now, thank and learn.

      [–]1Jaereth 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      The whole point of those kind of comments is this: She assumes when the time comes, when she's exhausted all her options, you will still be so desperate that you will just accept her no questions asked.

      Nobody who has ever said any manner of comment like that to you should ever be considered for a relationship.

      Do us all a favor and give em a reality check if the time ever comes.

      [–]franklyforthright 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Add mental illness to the list

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      One more, probably the biggest one. Her friends are aluts and/or cheat on their boyfriends. These girls will convince their fried a to cheat in itser to feel better about being slurs themselves.

      [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 120 points121 points  (5 children)

      I thoroughly enjoyed mentally checking off each item as I reflected on one of my relationships from my beta days. Spot on.

      Just a few addendums:

      She likes to drink.

      OKCupid discovered that the single best predictor of first-date sex was her liking the taste of beer. If a girl drinks, she also fucks freely.

      She is jealous at you more than you are jealous of her.

      Simple projection. She is operating from a solipsistic point of view. She would cheat without hesitation -- meaning in her mind, so too would you. Her jealousy is her attempt to contain your supposed proclivity for cheating.

      This is seriously a great list of red-flags.

      [–]AppleNewton 37 points38 points  (0 children)

      I'll be honest, every single woman that got in my life who liked beer turned out to be sluts, now that I think about it. Interesting...

      [–]agumonkey 4 points5 points  (3 children)


      I'm so f***n guilty of that kind of projections too.

      [–]clone9786 31 points32 points  (2 children)

      You can swear here, we dont care.

      [–]fillymandee 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Here, as in, the internet in general. Al Gore invented it for swearing. ManBearPig fucker.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorScumbagBillionaire 81 points82 points  (3 children)

      Holy fuck. How can someone be so right? My first girlfriend was one of the biggest sluts in high school. She was hot as fuck but my god was she a damn slut.

      This list is the most accurate list and description of slut behavior I've ever read. It's like reading a peer reviewed scientific journal on my ex-girlfriend and the other sluts I've known.

      [–]bertykins 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Seriously accurate how each one pertains to some sluts I've known

      [–]Dark triad expert: - - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 16 points17 points  (5 children)

      She is jealous at you more than you are jealous of her. This is a strange one. I had complete trust in her and always complimented her, seldom expression jealousy and insecurity. If a girl even smiled at me wrong or lightly flirted with me when she was around she would get extremely jealous turning it into a four hour insecurity accusation fest. It is ironic that the person most being afraid of being cheated on (My slut wife) ends up doing the repeated cheating herself.

      This is a case of simple projection. She realises she is a shitty person of morally dubious, disloyal and unfaithful character and thus plays off her flirting with plausible deniability as "innocent, light-hearted banter." Which is a massive affront to your analytical and social intelligence, by the way. A sign of total disrespect (she didn't respect you enough to fess up and be honest.) Yet when a woman even looks at you, she goes full control freak. Why? Because she's allowed to have her cake and eat it too but you're not. Also, because she is fucked up from childhood, she has trust issues and controlling you is her safe bet. You're the "rock in her storm" but not in the "he's the alpha I can rely on" kind of way that RPWs see a rock in the storm. You're not the rock she will tie herself to as a pillar of strength because you're not stronger than her. You're the rock she will kamikaze herself into when the storm gets too rough. She will destroy you just so she can float along in her lifesaver, and she doesn't care that she's doing that to you because you're just a means to an end to her. She feels entitled to that because of her fucked up past, she is incapable of proper pair bonding or love and all the rage she feels towards men is being abusively channelled directly at you.

      You're the "dependable guy so weak and in love with her that you'll never leave her." You're the guy that's meant to still be standing there when she's old and wrinkly and nobody wants her anymore and she's done fucking the local football team. She will give you none of her prime years, but she will contort that with spin artistry as "real love." She will tell you "love is deeper than looks, it's not skin deep, it's about a connection of the souls" yet when her skin is supple, her titties bouncy and her body tight, she wants nothing to do with you sexually. Not even "once a month duty sex to keep him around paying for shit and making me feel like I'm a person." You're her "cashing out prize" the one she branch swings to when she's too old and too ugly to carry on playing the game the way she did in her youth. You're the guy she would reject at 25 but marry at 35.

      Like men harvest women for sexual favours, women harvest men for emotional intimacy/commitment/trust etc. Fucked up women manifest this very violently by treating you like property and reducing your ego to a size so small that you won't even feel like you deserve her. She'll make you feel lucky that you're even with her "how did I get a woman as smart and beautiful as you?" all the while she fucks with your head and all the alpha dick within a hundred mile radius. Female predators are full on Machiavellian.

      Whether you realise it or not OP, you are a victim of mental abuse. I don't know what your wife was like but she sounds a lot like a predator type female - the dark triad woman. The doggy on the leash doesn't get to shit in other people's kennels. When she leads the relationship rather than the opposite, she views you as her property rather than the natural way - her being your property. This is her safeguarding her property and seeing the other woman as a potential thief. It raises your SMV a little bit but because you're such a bitch you can't capitalise on the potential dread that is there.

      Cheaters always accuse their partners of cheating in an irrational and neurotic manner to misdirect the attention from themselves and justify to themselves that their own cheating is acceptable "I wouldn't have cheated if he wasn't cheating!"

      This particularly, I find is a huge red flag and when a bitch starts playing these games I know she's beyond help, inherently toxic and not good for me. I'm noping the fuck out of that situation. Of course, being a massive billy beta with retracting blue balls only makes this shit 50x worse. Like most things between the genders, you inverse the polarity to deduce the behaviour of the opposite gender. So for example: whilst men take mistresses and treat them like shit, reserving all loyalty for their LTR, women take betas for an LTR, treat them like shit and give all their respect to the alphas passing through the night who fuck 'em in the ass and make 'em taste their own poop off his dick. It's as nasty as it sounds. If the genders had of been flipped you would have been the mistress trying to get an LTR who couldn't get one. Instead you were the sex starved beta who's slutty wife kept you on a leash for emotional validation.

      Fucked up women have to command loyalty by heading fucking because they're too inherently fucked up to believe in love and give themselves over to it. The closest thing they can experience to love is to control a weak man and coerce him into subservience. Ironically, the extent to which they are fucked up makes them more masculine, as you have accurately identified. However, being women, they are still subject to the rules of the game that women are, which is why you weren't an FWB but an LTR. Only alphas gets FWBs.

      As an FYI, the women I wrote the Lucifer's daughter article about was about to marry a very high status beta whilst meeting up with me and offering up the pussy after she and he had argued over some random bullshit drama she had concocted. These bitches aren't worth the drama and it sounds like you took the brunt of her neurosis.

      [–]improvy[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Thanks for replying, brother.

      "The closest thing they can experience to love is to control a weak man and coerce him into subservience." Hit close to home. Harsh but true.

      Your blog and The Rational Male book were my very first introduction to TRP.

      You should publish a book, like The Rational Male. I and many more will buy it. A physical/kindle, curated, "Best Of" is just so more enticing to really sink your teeth in vs trying to cherry pick through your vast body of work.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Hey buddy thanks for the praise. Yes, I have big plans for the blog and have quite a few things going on with it at the moment. I'm actually polishing over a lot of my older content to make it flow better and be more readable. Naturally I'm trying to balance that alongside participating in the community here and writing and publishing new RP content. Luckily I've got about 5 weeks off for Christmas now so I've got some serious time I can invest into getting this all done. I also have the 48 laws of power article series to do as well, as well as more dark triad theories to flesh out (so many drafts and notes scattered all around the place) so it's firing on all cylinders when it comes to the blog.

      You should publish a book, like The Rational Male. I and many more will buy it. A physical/kindle, curated, "Best Of" is just so more enticing to really sink your teeth in vs trying to cherry pick through your vast body of work.

      In fact, the reason I made the archives page ( was to make it easier to pick out what you like, to have it act as a sort of "interactive contents page" and make everything available from a single click in one place. Anyhow, I will look at further monetisation efforts/releasing a book further on down the track. Right now I am somewhat preoccupied with content creation and planning areas of growth for the site. I've had a good few requests to do a book now, so seeing as the demand is there (and will probably only grow alongside my blog) it's something I will look to do in the future.

      Blogging is pretty exciting, and messages of praise like this really make it worth it because you know you're making a difference. All the best.

      [–]operator_overload 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Please tell me how I can avoid these dark triads.. I give the appearance of an alpha; I do alpha things, but I really feel like a sex-starved beta who only gets lucky with whores every now and then, because of my facade.

      [–]Dark triad expert: - - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Stop wasting all your energy on fabricating a facade merely to fool others. Actually put that energy into becoming what you want to be. When you become what you aspire to, you do not need to waste time faking because in your natural state you'll be alpha. Also men who alpha to the core will be able to sniff out your bullshit, you may fool the masses but the kind of men you want on your team, alphas, will smell your bullshit and disdain you for it.

      [–]newlifeasredpill 63 points64 points  (14 children)

      16..Rawdog sex in public parks.

      This made me cringe. If this cant help you swallow the bitter pill than nothing can.

      Good luck improvy

      [–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (4 children)

      17. She complains about things that are entirely her fault. Or to reword it:

      All of her biggest problems are her own fault.

      [–]Turkerthelurker 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      EDIT: I misread, sounds like we're making the same point. You meant she isn't taking accountability for problems that are completely within her control.

      I would say the opposite is a better indicator. She complains about everything NOT being her fault. You can see the mentality play out even in trivial events

      • botches a recipe and blames the oven
      • fails a test and blames the TA
      • dog eats shit off the table and blames neither herself or her dog
      • etc.

      Sure, these are harmless enough. But after you hear a few of these in a single date/hook-up/whatever it should be a red flag.

      [–]Baylien2 12 points13 points  (2 children)

      My slut ex would ask me to grab something like her purse for her while she was in the shower. I would look through her catastrophic mess of a room...then ask her where it was...then she would blow up on me "WHAT KIND OF QUESTION IS THAT...U NEED TO LOOK FOR IT". Bitch was fucking nuts

      [–]user0621 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      I would also say a dirty room is a red flag. Not just a messy room, but unable to see the floor because of all the crap strewn about. I learned this from my mom of all people. She warned me about my ex, and the ex hit 12 of these wickets.

      [–]Baylien2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yup yup yup. My ex's room was unreal. I'm no neat freak myself, but this chick had no fucking order whatsoever. She blamed that shit on me too, even though she's been a mess before we started dating. Telling me that I distract her from cleaning up and doing her homework. I helped this bitch do her homework so she would stop bitching at me for wanting to spend time with her. In the meantime, when I was away and she had time to get shit done, what was she doing? Out getting drunk with her friends......guy friends. Makes me sick thinking about it.

      [–]heist_of_saint_graft 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      Yeesh. How'd you find out about this one, OP?

      [–]john1443 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      If she's willing to go raw without having a conversation about it well before doing it, that's just a major red flag, public parks aside.

      [–]drrtyfrrnr 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      She had raw dog sex with other guys in public parks.

      [–]HeinousFu_kery 10 points11 points  (2 children)

      She had raw sex with other guy's dogs in public view?

      [–]drrtyfrrnr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I think that sums it up fairly accurately.

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        [–]JonnyBeanBag 31 points32 points  (0 children)

        "If she smokes, she pokes."

        [–]Turkerthelurker 46 points47 points  (0 children)

        It would indicate disregard for consequences, and favoring quick reward over long term satisfaction.

        Both smoking and slutin' around have that in common.

        [–]TestosteroneFilled 19 points20 points  (6 children)

        On the other hand, I've never ever came upon/ met a promiscuous girl who knew how to cook. And I mean like real food, not some half ass eggs.

        I wonder if there are really and sluts that know how to cook? Cooking seems highly contradictory so if she likes and knows cooking, semi-unicorn right there.

        [–]LibertarianLibertine 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Besides that, nothing sexier than a woman cooking a meal for you.

        [–]1BadgerBurger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        No slut I've known knows how to cook. However, many girls (including non sluts) also don't know how to cook anymore.

        So if you suspect she's a slut, and she doesn't cook, that's one more point to her slut factor.

        If she doesn't know how to cook at all, she may not be feminine, or she's just selfish.

        [–]KublerRossWasWrong 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        I've posted it before but what I was told when I was younger was, "If she'll put a cigarette in her mouth, she'll put anything in her mouth." My observation is that this is true.

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            [–]iamkarnath 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Ugh. My ex. So many of these. Reading the list was like falling out of a pine tree and hitting branches on the way down. Ouch!

            [–]Movonnow 50 points51 points  (17 children)

            This described 100% the slut who brought me to TRP.

            You only forgot one possible trait :

            • She has gay friends. Because they are non judgmental "you just sucked a guy in the toilets? You go girl!!"

            Thanks for that man. Appreciate it.

            Fellow men, remember this: You can feel sorry for a woman and sympathize with her but you DON'T have to be with her. It doesn't make you a bad person.

            Could someone explain it please? I think it's key.

            I was raised to help people in need so to me not helping someone who needs you (even if it's in order to protect yourself) makes you a very, very bad person.

            [–]Red_Invictus 50 points51 points  (2 children)

            Could someone explain it please? I think it's key. I was raised to help people in need so to me not helping someone who needs you (even if it's in order to protect yourself) makes you a very, very bad person.

            You're simply wrong, even if this is honestly noble thinking, and I hope you snap out of it. Quite simply put, I think you're confusing "assuming responsibility" with "helping someone".

            A single mother with another man's child, and her own sob story of how she got there, is NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. That doesn't make you a bad person, for having a rule to yourself, that you won't seriously date single mothers, for instance.

            A woman who has a history of (claimed) abuse, is again, NOT YOUR FAULT OR RESPONSIBILITY. What are you going to do to help her? Just what? Blue pill /white knight stick up for her? The problems happened before you came along.

            You need to see your exclusivity (staying sexually exclusive for one woman) as a PRIZE you give to a quality woman who has proven herself time and time again to you. Don't give it away because you feel sorry for a woman. Building a relationship on a foundation of "because you feel bad for them" is plain shitty and backwards. You build a healthy relationship (initially) through attraction, and mutual respect/bonding for each other growing over time.

            At the end of the day, you can't help everyone. I suggest you see TRP's view on the "close circle" or "your own family unit/inner circle" - basically the code says, you very carefully let people into your inner circle, vet them and all (women and men), and these are the few people you'd do anything for (help). Fuck anyone else who's not in your circle. Think about it, if you had a child of your own, wouldn't you put your resources towards THEM first, instead of trying to help the other millions of less fortunate children out there?

            It's not cruel, it's the natural order of the world. We help ourselves and those we care about most first, and it's downright unfair to our close circles or you have your priorities mixed up, when you give yourself away to somebody not in the circle.

            TLDR: You can always help people without assuming responsibility for them, if you're inclined to do so. And there's plenty of people you straight up can't help, and you're better off helping yourself or your family instead, this takes life experience to know when.

            [–]Turkerthelurker 14 points15 points  (0 children)

            It means you have to take care of yourself, because she is beyond 'fixing.' Her emotional issues, clinginess, daddy issues - they are not your problem. You will not be able to help her work through them.

            Helping people is great and all, but what is being described is not helping her. It is enabling a child to the detriment of your own well being. Time spent trying to 'help' her is time wasted that could be spent helping those that will appreciate/reciprocate it, on finding a woman worthy of your time, and on improving yourself.

            [–]1WishIHadMyOldUsernam 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            It means you can be empathetic with a person who's had a shitty life but you're under no obligation to allow them into yours. You're only responsible for yourself, not every sad Jane with a heartbreaking history.

            [–]HiddenPools 8 points9 points  (2 children)

            Gay friends are non-judgmental?

            Lol, I'm bi, out of all my friends, they are the MOST judgemental. They have NO stake in needing that pussy and will tell them to get their shit straight. In addition, they usually act as epic gatekeepers since you can't hit on them to bypass them, and they'll take little Ms. Pukesalot home before you get in her pants.

            Sounds like not a lot of people here have any actual experience in the gay community (out of college).

            [–]keto_cub 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Yeah, wtf. This is 2014. Who doesn't have gay friends?

            [–]theVet 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            You can't help someone by sinking your own ship.

            [–]Dad7025 20 points21 points  (4 children)


            [–]garlicextract 15 points16 points  (2 children)

            It would be "/u/Dad7025" who points this one out, lol.

            [–]Hokuto199x 24 points25 points  (0 children)

            Yeah, all 15 of those in one package is definitely far into the nope zone. Hope you don't end up having to give her anything, and also hope you've learned your lesson well. Also remember to ask yourself before you LTR a woman: "beyond being someone that's willing to have sex with me, what value does she add to this relationship?" If you struggle to find an answer then you probably won't enjoy the LTR.

            [–]mrhelton 17 points18 points  (7 children)

            honestly none of these apply to my wife as far as I know. Is it really that uncommon?

            [–]TheOneThatSaysBMF 25 points26 points  (0 children)

            You have no idea. Congrats on finding the one needle in that big ass haystack.

            [–]Burner1701 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Out of interest, how much does your wife like drinking? Mine meets almost none of these and doesn't drink at all.

            [–]mrhelton 12 points13 points  (0 children)

            She has one friend who comes over and does their girly crafts with her and they sometimes drink moscato, and sometimes when I drink beers she'll have a glass. She never drinks when we go out either.

            In case anyone was curious ill tack this on. She came from a fairly religious family and its been a big part of her life. I actually met her at church when she was 6 or so and I was maybe 8. She's always had a crush in me. We started dating when she was 16, and got married 8 years ago when she was 18. We got married very young, long before I discovered trp, but she's a good wife and things have worked well for us.

            [–]Ronin11A 14 points15 points  (1 child)

            s 1,3,4,5,7,9,10,12,13,14... Pretty much describing my ex. Hilariously spot-on.

            [–]Year3030 15 points16 points  (9 children)

            I have experience in this department. You forgot to add:

            16. She gaslights, e.g. creates a problem and then blames you for it.

            17. Is insecure about her image and seeks validation by the act of sleeping around.

            [–]DramatiChromatic 8 points9 points  (8 children)

            Frequent gaslighting is also a sign that you are dealing with a dark triad woman.

            [–]Year3030 7 points8 points  (4 children)

            Underlying rage, Check.

            Sadistic, Check.

            Sociopathic, Check.

            Social isolation, Check.

            Self victimization, Check.

            Gentlemen I have ventured into the danger zone and returned to tell the tale (another day). Craziest woman I ever met, dated her for 1.5 years and even lived with her. I used to be very naive but I pay attention and I learned a lot about how women work from her, even though she is in the crazy zone.

            [–]1independentmale 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            I was married to one for 15 years. She would twist everything I did or said to make herself a victim. She often insisted I did or said things that never happened, or the opposite, swear up and down that something didn't happen when I know it did. She was so good at this that she had me doubting my own sanity for years. In hindsight, I think she was so completely fucking crazy that she fully believed her lies, which made them all the more convincing.

            I got my head on straight during the last year or so of the marriage by keeping a journal of events & observations in an encrypted diary app on my phone. This allowed me to "go back in time" when I caught her creating her own reality again and say, "Actually, no, you're full of shit, this is how it happened and I know this because I fucking WROTE IT DOWN WHEN IT HAPPENED." Didn't stop her from clinging to her false reality, but it certainly gave me the confidence I needed to be done with her once and for all.

            [–]Year3030 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Yeah you can't break someone like that, even with proof. The day I told my ex I wasn't going to take anymore of her crazy shit and her pussy ass crying (she kept crying to get me back then would get all crazy a day later) wasn't going to get me back she knew I was out of her reach for good at that point.

            She filed a restraining order against me claiming I abused her and broke shit around the house (that she broke). That got me kicked out of my own place with only the clothes on my back, car and a court order that I needed to keep paying the rent. The short version is I was back in in three weeks.

            I didn't come here to rehash this but just letting you know that others have gone through what you did too.

            On the plus side I'm able to really see the craziness, hypergamy and manipulation that drive women now.

            [–]geosh 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            TIL my ex-wife is a dark triad woman. Where the hell was TRP in my life 10 years ago.

            [–]throwaway_sss 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            Honestly, your description from top to bottom matches perfectly the symptoms of Border Personality Disorder. The only thing missing is her cutting herself and driving extremely recklessly.

            You may want to look at this ( It is a message board providing support for those who dated or are dating people with BPD. It helped me a lot.

            [–]Faded117 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Thank you for posting that link

            [–]Deaddpooll 11 points12 points  (7 children)

            Why in the blue fuck would you marry a woman who had an abortion let alone multiple ones?

            [–]1Mucl 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            Probably because some guys are just happy to get their dick wet.

            [–]FreshTits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Because you know you are right. My response to him wasn't sympathy or sadness but that he saw the red flags all along and still marries her, then complains that she cheated and now she is a slut. LOL. Really?

            [–]Burner1701 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            One abortion is reasonable, mistakes happen. 2 or more is worrying.

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              [–]IchTuDirWeh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Uh what's the big deal with making a mistake? Maybe if it's multiple abortions

              [–]FapFapLulz 24 points25 points  (2 children)

              This list should be in the side bar. Sorry for your shitty luck with the slut and the pending divorce.

              As I read each of these I can only think about this one slut I LTR'd when I should have nexted. The following numbers applied to this ONE girl: 1,4,5,6,7,10,11,13,14.

              1) I was almost surprised when she came up and pretty much said "your dick and my vagina should meet." That was beta me being taken off guard.

              4) Dudes... Dudes everywhere. The sluts will always say "girls are just so dramatic, that's why I hang out with dudes." PFF, you only hang out with so many dudes because girl on girl strap on action still can't equate to getting pounded by a real dick.

              5) Mom and Dad were both train wrecks. I mean bad family material you see in real sad sad dramas or documentaries on tv.

              6) While OP mentioned it's no laughing matter, it fucks with that person for life and they become damaged goods. Losing your v-card to a stranger thrusting you against your will doesn't mold a princess. In my particular case I'll still put quotes around "rape." Just because you think you know someone doesn't mean they weren't one of the many that claim "rape" after a REGRETFUL sexual encounter.

              7) This should be closer to the top of the list. Someone who is terrible with money makes for a terrible partner. PERIOD.

              10) If she smokes she pokes.

              11) Oh you're going out with friends for drinks? Have fun! Have fun getting strange dick thrown in you!

              13) How about this chick fucked me the same night she ended her engagement. Dude was wrapping on my apartment door and everything. A few months later it was happening to me. Not the wrapping on anyone's door, just she had already fucked someone else to end our relationship.

              14) Read the previous one. We banged a bunch, I said let's keep it casual, she couldn't, I caved, ended a few months later.

              Typing all this out makes me feel like a real retard, but I'm in a better place and she already has 1 divorce on her belt so guess I still came out on top.

              [–]geosh 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              Let's not forget on 4) -- women have no problem slut-shaming each other. It's part of their sexual strategy. All the more reason for sluts to avoid other women.

              Pretty sure that's already in the side bar somewhere.

              [–]hardly_incognito 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              This summarizes one of my exes perfectly. Everything was spot-on. It goes to show that women aren't these mysterious enigmas that some may try to perceive them as, but painstakingly predictable and easy to understand.

              Great list. Hopefully it helps anyone out there who is suspicious of their relationship and just needs that final push to gtfo.

              [–]1GRRMkills 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              This is not only a list that predicts slutty behavior, but also just a bunch of markers for dysfunctional relationships in general. I think bad parenting (and dysfunctional family) is a huge bad sign. There are some things you can't fix, and habits ingrained by ~20 years during the formative years of someone's life is one of those things

              [–]JonnyBeanBag 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              This is side bar material right here...concise and spot on.

              [–]randomevenings 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              They sure are fun to bang, tho. I'm divorced and have been having a lot of fun. I would never marry again, and I make that known, but they sure know how to have some depraved weekends. It's good fun for both of us. Sex is transactional at its core. I get what I want and she gets what she wants, and so we both go at it with abandon.

              [–]InformalCriticism 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              Yeah, 7/15 into divorce here. She is divorce raping as we speak.

              Now seeing an 8/15 plate. They are pretty awesome plates, I'll give them that.

              [–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              I think we "invented" a different kind of scoring system.

              • Regular 0/10 for physical looks
              • SlutScore 0/15

              [–]raven2000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Where were you almost 20 year ago?

              [–]isuckwithusernames 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              So where am I at with 13/15? I'm in shit is where I'm at.

              [–]The_Americano 6 points7 points  (1 child)

              I see these as "green flags". I won't ltr her but I will sure P&D her...

              [–]brotherjustincrowe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Keep a penicillin shot handy.

              [–]Turkerthelurker 9 points10 points  (1 child)

              12. She is jealous at you more than you are jealous of her. This is a strange one. I had complete trust in her and always complimented her, seldom expression jealousy and insecurity. If a girl even smiled at me wrong or lightly flirted with me when she was around she would get extremely jealous turning it into a four hour insecurity accusation fest. It is ironic that the person most being afraid of being cheated on (My slut wife) ends up doing the repeated cheating herself.

              Excellent point, which speaks more generally to the concept of projection.

              People subconsciously will project their values and behaviors onto others until proven otherwise. It is commonly advised that if a partner is accusing you of cheating, she herself has something to hide.

              Unfortunately, this works in the reverse as well. If you are honest you will expect a partner to be too, and accept their word at face value.

              This dynamic is in play far too often with the beta / 'reformed slut'.

              [–]1Jaereth 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              Unfortunately, this works in the reverse as well. If you are honest you will expect a partner to be too, and accept their word at face value.

              Go live life for a while lol.

              I'v been through so many sluts I've probably seen it all. Now I am with an absolute sweetheart of a girl. Pretty much following the RP format for an ideal LTR to a tee.

              However, I never truly let my guard down. I fully realize it could be over in an instant. I never assume "Oh she wouldn't do that.." etc. Always keep your guard up. I wish my pop would have told me this when I was a young man. No matter how good things are going, and how good you feel about a relationship, never trust her completely and always cover your ass when it comes to finances/property.

              [–]ObsidianOne 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Wow, just about every female has at LEAST one of these characteristics.
              This is like saying "HOW TO KNOW IF YOU HAVE EBOLA" -Coughing -Fever -Don't Feel Well

              I must have Ebola!
              But really though, sucks your wife hurt you, but try to be less bitter about it and continue on.

              [–]1Dev_on 14 points15 points  (8 children)

              To be fiar, I've yet to see a fiscally responsable girl. I know they must be out there, but never seen.

              Having said that, I've worked on mine, and think I'm finally making progress, my buddies wife calmed down after her kids, but their policy is to just keep making more money, so i guess it works in the end.

              12 is the most telling. People can't get outside their own experience, so whatever they are accusing you of, more often than not, is the kind of thing they would do themselves. Jealous girls are most likely cheating. ones who gaslight you for almost any behaviour are 99% of the time, guilty of it themselves. It's not even a girl thing, everyone does it.

              [–]Midcenturymum 3 points4 points  (3 children)

              Try to find a teller at your bank/credit union. It's mostly younger women, and being in finance they will most likely have checking/savings account, participate in retirement plans, and have knowledge of credit report/scores.

              [–]johnrgrace 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              A touch of autism and OCD really can do it, you'll get a woman who will not rest until a checkbook is balanced down to the penny and keeps a monthly family balance sheet

              [–]Snivellious 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              They exist - I know a couple actually. It mostly comes tied up with other stuff you may not welcome though - free hobbies, background of being poor, intense career/professional focus.

              Beyond that, I think the answer is what you mentioned. Find someone where your earnings swamp petty money management stuff, and teach her the big shit.

              [–]1Dev_on 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              I Prefer people who used to be poor. Hard to be entitled when you started with nothing IMO.

              Training and dread game seen to work so far

              [–]hylian01 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Holy shit this 100% true, sounds like my ex.

              [–]3rt41 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              This is the description of my ex.

              After 2 years (she cheated on me and tried to be friends afterwards, i gave her no contact and she kept contacting me every 6 months or so) i went fully by the way of trp, met wonderful girls on my path and now i am dating a girl that gives me what i specifically want from a woman. A top tier high quality LTR material.

              My ex on the other side, is stalking my friends facebook to catch up on some picture they may be taking with me.

              Poor soul.

              [–]All_the_Dank 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              wow. this describes my ex very well. not everything is spot on, but most. like she has never had an abortion and to my knowledge had not cheated on anyone before me, but she did cheat on me, however it was 3 years into our relationship and she told me about it hours after it happened. she wasn't the most girly girl but sometimes she would be. every now and then she would wear a very cute dress and i loved when she dressed all feminine like but she much preferred to wear skinny jeans a t shirt a d flip flops. to be fair, she did dress well, and usually wouldn't wear anything too slutty unless we were going on a date and even then she was actually pretty modest most* of the time.

              I hate her and love her, it's complicated. we haven;t spoken a word in 11 months, and I will not be the first person to crack. Dated for 5 years so I have a lot of an emotional investment in her. Yes I do admit i have oneitis. but after spending 5 years with a girl day in day out, almost dying together in a huge car collision and going through rough shit between ages 16-21 I think anyone in my situation would. I don;t know how to get over her. Ive posted on here before and you guys have been helpful. Im still open to suggestions, so please feel free!

              [–]R4F1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              This list is on point. Especially the tomboy, guy friends, sociability, and divorced/broken home. Sometimes it doesn't even have to be a broken home, if the two parents live apart for whatever reason (like work) and she's been raised by a single parent (usually the mom), she can still turn out a hoe. Girls need guidance, and when you whoring under your mom's nose while your 16, you lack discipline.

              [–]1independentmale 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              If she goes without you and gets drunk once a week or more that is a bad sign.

              FTFY. I don't have any problem with partying, drinking or guy friends, but here's the deal: I'm to be invited. Every time. If drinking and partying is going on and your woman doesn't want you there, there's a reason for it. Next that bitch.

              [–]KnopflerisGod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Thank you for this handy guide to picking up sluts.

              [–]Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Multiple/extensive body modifications. Seems to have a high correlation with dissatisfaction with self image and attention seeking.

              [–]Mac2TheFuture 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I seriously loathe when a girl tells me she has more guy friends than girl friends. Either the girl is really that naive that she believes all these guys just want to be her "friend" or she's leaving them on the hook for whenever she feels the need to use them. So whenever I meet a girl who claims this, a major red flag goes up for me.

              One thing I have tried to explain to these girls is that they don't understand how most guys operate, and they usually don't have the ability to see through the bull shit and realize that the guys that they are friends with are only being friendly to get what they want. Saying this to a girl will offend her and make her think that you don't know what you're talking about.

              99% of the time, for me at least, these girls who have more guy than girl friends will end up either cheating, or take advice from her guy friends that will ultimately work against you (because they want her to leave you so their chances are better). This is basic knowledge but for some reason it is just unfathomable for these girls.

              [–]man0man 7 points8 points  (1 child)

              Great list. #1 is way overlooked. and goes hand in hand with #14. It's a great trap to trick you into wasting 3 years of your life.

              [–]dencrypt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              14/15 the mother of my child. Never got married to the bitch though.

              We all do stupid things when we think we are "in love" at some point in our lives ... but then the reality takes a shit in your face and you wake up covered in tears and vomit. But as in any situation where you feel filthy, you can always take a shower, go your own way, and take a stronghold of your superiority. Because now you know the truth. Without this experience you probably never would.

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                [–]1kick6 6 points7 points  (5 children)

                I had an ex that ticked every single box.

                Ahhh, my beta days...

                [–]TheOneThatSaysBMF 9 points10 points  (16 children)

                I'm willing to bet that 99% of all women exhibit at least 3 of these traits, with 5-6 of them being the norm.

                My ex-wife was good for 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 12, 13, and 14. I was much younger than I am now and BP as fuck, so there was no way I picked any of that shit up.

                Edit: For clarification

                [–]Midcenturymum 5 points6 points  (7 children)

                Only one of those applies to me (#5, nothing I can do about that one). Where are you all meeting women at??? I don't know if women are encouraged to post here, I just think there is a serious misunderstanding between the sexes and I fault feminism.

                [–]LibertarianLibertine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Yeah I agree, this is pretty important to note. All women will check the list on some points, not instantly meaning they are a huge slut. Probably the more points checked, the higher the degree of promiscuity though.

                However, also keep in mind while counting that something like mommy/daddy issues or liking to drink has a VERY wide range. There's the girl that likes to occasionally go out with friends and get intoxicated, and there's the girl that goes out to party whenever she can and gets completely wasted.

                [–]xlazerdx316 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Every single letter here describes my slutty ex. Well done.

                [–]Baylien2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Don't forget the responsible sluts: Shes on an IUD but hadn't been in a relationship for years

                [–]etcomro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                If what you're saying is what to look out for then the opposite must be what to look for in a woman. Someone who is not social, doesn't have friends, and almost nil sexual experience. Seems to be TRP ideal but I'm not interested in that.

                I don't think you're taking responsibility, OP. Sure, she did shitty things and I'm not going to say you deserved it. You didn't. But you knew a great deal of these things either going into the relationship or learned them later. However, you chose to stay in that relationship until the inevitable happened. Why would you expect something that this person was very obviously not capable of? In fact, it's something that very few people are capable of over the long term and even less so in their 20s.

                Women (like men) seem to work out their 'issues' stemming from their parental relationships through their romantic relationships. This woman acted exactly like her history would suggest. And you're surprised by this? If anything, you're the fool for expecting something different. But hey, we've all been the fool. Just don't stay in that victim state too long.

                [–]d3gu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Just FYI - IUDs aren't a 100% safe form of contraception, especially the copper coil. They are a fantastic thing, and great for couples, but still not foolproof. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

                [–]randyquestions 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                1. She is jealous at you more than you are jealous of her. This is a strange one. I had complete trust in her and always complimented her, seldom expression jealousy and insecurity. If a girl even smiled at me wrong or lightly flirted with me when she was around she would get extremely jealous turning it into a four hour insecurity accusation fest. It is ironic that the person most being afraid of being cheated on (My slut wife) ends up doing the repeated cheating herself.

                She was projecting.

                1. She approached you. Because you are such a pussy, momma's boy faggot, its most likely that she picked you and not the other way around. She gave you strong signals of interest and pretty much took the lead.

                Can somebody explain this? I've dated girls that have approached me, and they have been slutty. One of them cheated on me hooking up with a guy at a party right under my nose... But, I don't see why the fact that they approached you is wrong? I mean, I know that most worthwhile girls you have to ask out most of the times, but why is it bad that they approached you?

                [–]TheOneThatSaysBMF 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                When a woman is interested in you, she is not likely to approach you. What she will do is give some type of sign (a smile, not breaking eye contact, etc.) that it's okay for you to approach her. This applies to most women. If a woman blatantly approaches you, that is a definite sign of aggression that is almost always displayed by a slut looking to get the D.

                [–]Senderious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                My ex had 2, 3, 4, 9, 10 and 13, when we were dating she told me she kissed a girl (and said the bf wanted to kiss her as well but she pushed him away) yeah rigt.

                I always found it strange she has more male friends than gfs, but does that really makes somebody a slut? an somebody explain?

                Well, after reading those posts I feel better haha

                [–]iknorite 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Holy fuck, I have never seen a more accurate list in my life.

                [–]Entrefut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Used this list to check how many of the traits the girl i'm dating has, I was very relieved.

                [–]p3rciv3l 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                This describes my last ex to a fucking T. Thankfully, my wife fits none, but Jesus Christ, was I a pathetic chunk in the past.

                [–]1niczar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                You're not describing a slut, you're describing a woman with borderline personality disorder. Which usually happen to be sluts.

                [–]thecackster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                12. Total projecting. I had one just like this. Little did I know she was fucking around, then was insecure that I was doing it also.

                [–]_orion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                The golden rule: if she smokes she pokes!!!

                Also from reading this I think I may fall under ur catagory of slut.

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                  [–]gccmelb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Number 4 on the list is partly discussed from this article posted on the science subedit.

                  [–]SirCharlstonWeathers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Yikes. That's almost exactly my ex-gf to a T. If she didn't pull some crazy girl shit over a family and friends vacation, I might still be blinded by the pussy. Glad I got out when I did. My condolences OP.

                  [–]aazav 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Enlightening. Thanks for sharing. Several of your points weren't obvious to me.

                  Now they are.

                  [–]dstylish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Holy shit, my cheating slut ex-wife had all of these traits except one. Pretty spot on analysis here

                  [–]RespiratoryTherapist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I for one love sluts... I approve of all of this behavior.

                  [–]occupythekitchen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  You described the girl I saw for three months. I fell hard for her had lost weight she was attractive but I just kept seeing more and more red flags. Talked myself out of being in love by jogging those thoughts and experiences I had with her.

                  My favorite was going to bars with hers, since she had my attention and validation she'd talk to other males so I'd talk to different females, whatever I am an attention magnet she was an attention whore. Made some new friends while she flirted with some guys I knew she'd come back and when she did I'd tell her. Are you fucking stupid go there and ask them to buy us a drink. She did that once or twice then she started inviting random dudes to come back to her place and buy beers. I stopped talking to her after that because I was tired of the games.

                  [–]Gravityflexo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Don't marry a slut...the end

                  [–]neveragoodtime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  All spot on, a great list for gentlemen who don't know how to spot the slut. Source: married to one 10 years without spotting the signs. You don't need to LTR a girl with even 3 of these flags. Does that mean ending up likely alone? Yes. Is that better than the risk of your life ruined and being divorce raped by that slut? Yes. We can all guarantee that you will be in a better place for a quality LTR at 35 than 25. So just be patient.

                  I would modify #6) claims she was molested at a young age. My ex brought up being raped by a black boy when she was about 12. I didn't give her any attention for it, because I assumed she had processed it by then, and she never brought it up again, with me or any one else. Coincidently, she married a black man 6 months after the divorce. I'm thinking it was part of some rape fantasy of hers, rather than a false claim, since there was no police report or name or evidence. Point is, there's no way to prove her assertion unless there is a molester behind bars, but both are equally red flags.

                  [–]AntixD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  dude i feel really sorry for you,multiple abortions alone should have been enough deterrent,how delusional can one be?

                  [–]ZeroOn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  2, 4, 5, 6 (probably), 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 16, 18, 19.

                  WOW! :( I had ENORMOUS feelings for my ex who broke up after 1.5 months. She was the first (and the fucking last) girl that I BEGGED to take me back. This wonderful sub... People don't really realize HOW MUCH they owe this sub.

                  [–]mister_barfly75 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Holy fuck, my ex ticks at least 14 of those 19.

                  No wonder it felt like such a weight off of my shoulders when we broke up.

                  I'd like to suggest another Is constantly on her phone sure, she could be playing Candy Crush or some such shit but chances are she's on Kik or Whatsapp, in Tinder, texting her orbiters, arranging for her next portion of cock.

                  [–]zardfizzlebeef 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  My ex had all of these. She ended up cheating on me with her 30 year old, already graying alcoholic coworker. (we were both 21 at the time)

                  [–]BomptonBrotha88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  holy shit dude sounds like you married human garbage!

                  [–]operator_overload 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Is single mom a factor? I see a lot of 'em on OKC, obv. the ones with 4+ kids with different factors are sluts as well..

                  [–]nuc22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  She uses Tinder more often.

                  Takes drugs.

                  [–]throwingwater 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Great list, I dated a girl like that. I'd also add that most likely they haven't gone more than a few weeks of being single before dating you though typically they will go 0 days of being single because they have some beta orbiter already lined up as a place holder for their next guy.

                  [–]Im_Justin_Cider 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  Man I'm sorry there were all these signs and you only picked up on them after it was too late.

                  [–]InformalCriticism 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  It's all too easy to overlook them, because no one flag is going to ruin an impression, and they're usually spread out enough over time not to consider doing some math.

                  Without TRP, men are incredibly susceptible to making the same mistake.

                  [–]Im_Justin_Cider 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Sometimes we ignore them because our penis has another agenda.

                  [–]Heizenbrg 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  OP you are clueless if you actually married a girl like that.
                  *Doesn't say she is taken
                  I'm surprised the rest of you are upvoting this, this shit is common sense.

                  [–]FagMuffin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  "Sluts at their core know that their behavior is wrong."

                  I don't really agree with this. Monogamy isn't in our nature. Men and Women who sleep around aren't being morally wrong, unless you subscribe to a major religion that tells you to stone unmarried women who death who have sex. Read "Sex at Dawn" by Chris Ryan. It's critiques the standard narrative that monogamous pair bounding happened in hunter gather societies. Like you said, "Sluts; Fuck em, don't marry them." No need for a double standard. We are all doing what come naturally. LTR's are stupid.

                  [–]BlatantTRPThrowaway 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Best wishes to a speedy life recovery, whether that means Red Pill or not. Either way, you've done every last Redditor who ever touches this post a huge service.

                  I'll add to the chorus of "X # of factors describes my ex" (in my case, 14/15). This post should be saved, sidebarred, analyzed, and exalted until Hell freezes over; it's arguably the best predictor I've ever read, especially with how well it clicks with the readers here.

                  [–]chukb2012 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  I agree. This is my ex girlfriend to a T. Like everything. haha. God i was such a beta back then. Ugh..

                  [–]Mightyskunk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  To the people reading this looking for ammo to hate on us, just know that this guy is bitter and just spitting out the poison that's in him right now.

                  [–]tauntaun_poncho 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Wow this list really hit home. I was in a 2 year relationship with the type of girl you describe (every point 1-15). I even attempted to marry her. She was on to the next orbiter at exactly the moment my money dried up. I declared chapter 7 at the age of 22. I'm 28 now and my credit score is still recovering.

                  [–]draketton 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  1 is painfully stupid to read

                  You're a pussy momma's boy faggot because you went for a woman that showed interest in you? Seriously?

                  [–]InformalCriticism 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                  It's probably more of a yellow flag instead of a next rule. He's mad at himself, he should be mad in general.

                  Point being, if a woman approaches you, then she's comfortable doing it. She got that way by doing it a lot with other guys.

                  [–]RP-on-AF1 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                  My current situation us with a chick that satisfies almost all of these. I knocked her up. You definitely don't want to do that.

                  [–]1aguy01 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  Damn, sorry to hear that. Get her an abortion. Just schedule it and tell her you're taking her. Do it for the kid.

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                    [–]TSM_Bjergson 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                    Get the fuck out. Save yourself.

                    [–]JohnnyMangoes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    This describes virtually every woman I've ever met until I moved abroad.

                    [–]GuidoBandito 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    For the most part all but a few describe my ex. Nice list of flags to continue to look for...

                    [–]TSM_Bjergson 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    100% spot on, just add the gay bestfriend point.

                    [–]I_want_hard_work 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                    Hey OP, this might be a major reality check for you but maybe you just really suck at dating if you think these things actually need to be said out loud. That and your entire toxic philosophy is a self-fulfilling prophesy where these types of girls are the ones who gravitate towards you due to your mentality, but that's a box of fun psychoanalyzing for another day.

                    Sounds like you were blind enough to marry the sluttiest of sluts. Goddamn. Work on yourself. Get some therapy before you start another relationship. Don't be captain save-a-ho. This is some pretty basic advice.

                    [–]drrtyfrrnr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    Maybe that's true, but the list is still gold.

                    [–]thenarrrowpath 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    14! Omg, I'm face palming myself, I've don't that. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

                    Good list man! This should be side bar material.

                    [–]External12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Describes a lot of one of my ex, she got the abortion when we were on a break (from another guy). Daddy issues/divorced/middle child too.

                    [–]ieatcarrots 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    1. She has mostly guy friends.

                    Why for some reason I think that the problem is if she instead has no guy friends