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[–]Listen_up_buddy 183 points184 points  (11 children)

As a young male who is in his early 20s, I cannot even begin to show how much appreciation I have for this sub. Before this sub I never thought past marriage in the sense, what happens after I marry someone. I've always thought of it as, I'll finish school, get a successful career started then marry someone. But never have I ever thought what happens after? I am so glad for post like this that show me the chain reaction style of events that can arise.

One take away I've gotten from this post is that without too much effort on the part of a western female I can get fucked in so many ways. No one calls the tiger or the lion crazy for killing a man stupid enough to get to close and ignore their nature. In the same way knowing the true nature of the other gender has really helped me shy away from so many traps I could have walked into. Keep up the good work!

[–]1wiseclockcounter 85 points86 points  (3 children)

in a paradoxical way, I find understanding the dark nature of women to add to my confidence interacting with them. It's like being an amused chess master playing an opponent who's trying to pull a low level tactic on you.

[–]galvanised_computer 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Amused mastery is a type of game

[–]rockumsockumrobots 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nothing more fun than playing with fire and not getting burned.

I'm in my early 20's. I am working on applying RP wisdom to my own life (maintaining frame, confidence, etc.) until I have a greater mastery of the art.

[–]I_HaveAHat 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Im in my early 20s too. Im so glad I have this great place at such a early time in my life

[–]1tombreck2 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Everyone is born with their head under a guillotine and holding the rope.

When you get married you agree to give the rope to your wife and hope that she never pulls it.

[–]Manuel_S 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Signing the paper is akin to, in the old times, selling yourself (a free man) as a slave in the roman world.

Thing is, you DID get something out of it, couldn't get starved or abused and had some rights.

Just... don't sign. Your power vanishes the second you do it.

[–]unpluggedoasis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same situation as you. About to enter my mid-20s building my career, lifting, etc. This sub saved my damn life. I was destined to be a clueless BB and +1 divorce rape statistic. Not anymore.

[–]LordhavePercy11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Listen to the foundations of this sub and follow them. You're in the prime of your life and you have the ability to make something incredible of yourself, provided you already haven't.

[–]newlifeasredpill 47 points48 points  (22 children)

Fuck!!!! That gave me goosebumps.

I dont care if my kids look JUST like me...I just bought several paternity test kits online

[–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope[S] 63 points64 points  (17 children)

When an alpha gorilla is deposed, the new leader frequently kills any infants. To protect themselves against this, female gorillas will often secretly fuck the secondary male when not in estrus. This plants the doubt of paternity in the beta's mind. In the event of his ascension, he may spare her infants.

[–]Listen_up_buddy 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Holly shit, this is some next level explanation. I love this sub-reddit when comments like this show up!

[–]newlifeasredpill 24 points25 points  (10 children)

Think of this

Some guy comes and kills their mate and offspring and then they go ahead and mate with him????

If she doesn't mate with the new guy then she decreases her own chance for reproductive success. Females who hold grudges and dont reproduce are selected against.

Thus females who forgive and forget end up having more kids

Also..if you mate with the guy who killed your baby then you know your offspring have good genes

[–]pissoutofmyass 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Plus refusing to mate may get her kicked out of the group, or even killed.

[–]Matsew -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

the word you are looking for is 'raped'

[–]RedPillProphet 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Not sure why you're downvoted. That is exactly what happens. And not just with gorillas but also lions and many other large mammals.

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    [–]RedPillProphet 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Oh so the lioness put up a bloody fight just to celebrate the "victory" sex? Stop making up BS. Rape is a common occurrence in nature... nothing specific to humans.

    [–]Matsew -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

    we runnin wk central over here with the downvotes?:D

    [–]jotch 12 points13 points  (2 children)

    Check this out.

    My roommate was dating a girl, she goes and gets pregnant with some other dudes kid. They break up, he takes her back shortly after baby is born. She breaks up with him a few months later. He starts dating another girl, she gets pregnant WITH THE SAME GUY FROM BEFORES kid, and they break up. They get back together shortly after that baby is born. She was just here last week with the cops looking for a "sweatshirt he stole" and tried to get me to let her in to look around the apartment with the police. Fuck off. I dont know the point of the story, but your point reminded me of it and now I hate how stupid my roommate is even more. He gives us all a bad name.

    [–]makethemsayayy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    She tried to get into your fucking house with the police? Now she's crossed a fucking line. Like you're a fucking enemy to me now.

    [–]1Dev_on 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    bonobos just fuck everyone until there is no more problems. and we are closer to bonobos than gorillas, genetically

    [–]sway_usa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Accurate. Evolution even gave human women a gift in this sense: hidden estrus. Think about it. Why are humans the only primate who's estrus status is not clearly visible?

    [–]Slender_Loris -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    fucking a woman, knowing she keeps a BB in reserve. He made a joke, saying he should knock her up, since

    I need a link for proof on this shit.

    [–]1wiseclockcounter 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    it's /u/Kill_Your_Ego 's shoe store girl field report on the front page right now.

    [–]Manuel_S 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    There's two kinds of fathers:

    • The ones who pay

    • The ones who don't.

    If you are one of the latter, the more the merrier. Increases your success. Yes they'll be beta, you can still raise some alphas AND have extra beta children.

    [–]1Dev_on 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    It's funny the contractiction.

    theres a lot of lamenting over single mothers raising weak men. then the calls to make as many single mothers as you can

    which is it?

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      [–]1Dev_on 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      How about we dont' use old dirty bastard as our aspirational figure?

      [–]1tombreck2 26 points27 points  (28 children)

      Out of morbid curiousity are these women happy with their lives?

      Assuming no, what would actually make them happy long term; a 1950s style TRP marriage?

      [–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope[S] 70 points71 points  (15 children)

      ...what would actually make them happy long term; a 1950s style TRP marriage?

      No. Conservatives view the past through rose-colored lenses. The only reason post-war marriages appeared happy was because women were eager to return to feminine roles after the hardships of WW2.

      There is only one person you can make happy: yourself. No matter what you do, you cannot make other people happy. Attempting to change her will be exhausting, expensive, and always temporary.

      If you are looking for a LTR, aggressively weed out unhappy and dissatisfied women. They are lost causes and will drag you down into misery. If you find a woman who is genuinely disposed to happiness, only then do you have a fighting chance.

      You can try to keep a happy person happy. You can never make an unhappy person otherwise.

      [–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope[S] 48 points49 points  (13 children)

      Replying to myself to expand upon this topic:

      ...women were eager to return to feminine roles after the hardships of WW2.

      Our grandparents and great grandparents had marriages that lasted. There were many reasons for this, not just a religious society that frowned on divorce.

      Previous generations lived in greater hardship. WW2, The Great Depression, WW1. Diseases, famines, banking collapses, and countless smaller wars.

      That was the past. Modern medicine and science have given us an age of extreme safety and luxury. An era of peace and prosperity unrivaled in human history.

      The sidebar describes women as the most responsible teenager in the house. This is true. But contrary to what we often preach here, women can mature. Our grandparents' hardships stripped away the protections and safety nets that sheltered women from harm. Women were forced to perform dangerous labor for their own survival. Women who were disposable. Women all too familiar with death. In other words: Women who experienced the world like a man. Those that survive unbroken were no longer that naive teen.

      Growth is driven by necessity. This is why your great grandma speaks TRP truths over Christmas dinner. She was forced to grow up. She suffered. And she recognizes men protect her from that suffering.

      As none of us are willing to return to those dark days, I think we should abandon idolizing our grandparents' marriages. Recognize that modern women are sheltered. Accept that we are condemned to having relationships with pampered brats. Women whose "peak of suffering" was being teased in 9th grade. (Think about that. Explains half the workplace/HR bullshit, doesn't it?)

      [–]blandboringusername 25 points26 points  (7 children)

      Modern medicine and science have given us an age of extreme safety and luxury.

      As I sit here it's -9 F outside with snow on the ground. My heater just clicked on. Cheap natural gas. I'm warm and safe and comfortable. I have the internet with endless varieties of porn, much of it free, and hundreds of DVDs and Blurays or games if I want entertainment. In a little while, I have to go to the post office to get the mail. I'll warm up my clean modern 4WD truck first so it's toasty when I get in. A couple blocks from here is an ordinary little grocery store with a variety of food that would have astonished my great-grandfather. I had no job or commuting stress to deal with today, because I'm an early retiree.

      Would I trade all that to be a sleep-deprived hard working beta bucks stuck in freeway traffic right now, fretting about money? Uh, nope.

      Women whose "peak of suffering" was being teased in 9th grade. (Think about that. Explains half the workplace/HR bullshit, doesn't it?)

      Oh yeah. When the media started using the word "bullying" to mean anybody who ever said a mean thing to you, I guess pampered entitlement jumped the shark. Where I come from "bullying" meant a kid twice your size (or maybe your own father?) punching you in the face as hard as he could.

      [–]1Dev_on 2 points3 points  (4 children)

      this is exactly why I laugh at the chicken little types in here... We are in a golden age, mad max isn't around the corner.

      [–]Dwayne_Jason 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      Actually, it is if this keeps up. The party can lost only so long until the house burns down. People either forget it or maybe they don't care, but we're pretty fucked maybe 60 to 100 years from now. Not Mad Max level, but definitely depression-level famine.

      [–]1Dev_on 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Well. I'd argue the upcoming energy crisis, inequality are bigger contributors than women riding the cc.

      [–]Dwayne_Jason 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Yeah, that's what I meant. Men and Women. We're too comfortable with being self-centered, "got mine, fuck you." mentality. Don't get me wrong, I don't decry what TRP teaches about self-improvement and understanding that you're alone in this world but while the truth is harsh, maybe people need to change their idea of a good life. Maybe half a mil house, a beamer and three kids shouldn't be the object of one's life. TRP or no, the world is hurting and if we keep prodding, its gonna respond by wiping us out.

      [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      We will know for sure when China starts getting a healthy middle class

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        [–]2emptyform 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        You don't have to have a 50's style relationship for your woman to be happy, you just have to have a higher SMV than her and take the lead every step of the way. 80% of men have mediocre at best SMV, and much of the 20% has no ability or desire to lead.

        [–]aHangingChad 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Accept that we are condemned to having relationships with pampered brats. Women whose "peak of suffering" was being teased in 9th grade. (Think about that. Explains half the workplace/HR bullshit, doesn't it?)

        Suddenly, the world makes sense.

        [–]1Dev_on 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Funny, just like most long lastime male friendships are build on hardship...

        I wish to preach, not the doctrine of ignoble ease, but the doctrine of the strenuous life, the life of toil and effort, of labor and strife; to preach that highest form of success which comes, not to the man who desires mere easy peace, but to the man who does not shrink from danger, from hardship, or from bitter toil, and who out of these wins the splendid ultimate triumph.


        [–]Goupidan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        An era of peace and prosperity unrivaled in human history.

        What? The world has been in continuous warfare.

        [–]1tombreck2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        In other words, the greatest generation had 0 entitlement which is the opposite of today?

        [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)


        It's why I often say you never see a lot of coloured people lamenting a conservative-rose-coloured-glasses-past. Those times wern't too great for everyone.

        No reason that a second X chromosone exempts you from the same process of self actualization we have to go through.

        [–]1AreYouAware_ 16 points17 points  (0 children)

        It would definitely appeal to their biological instincts, but their cultural programming would rankle at the situation. I don't think there truly is a way for the majority of modern women to be happy.

        Thank God for Xanax, indeed.

        [–]1kick6 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        No, they're not happy.

        A family that loves them would make them happy. If you want to call that "1950s style marriage." It doesn't have to necessarily be the Ward Cleaver blueprint.

        [–]BroccoBaba 7 points8 points  (2 children)

        Alpha males with 5+ wives, bots and drones doing all work, and betas hidden away underground playing computer games.

        [–]Hideydid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Oh brave new world with such people in it!

        [–]watersign 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        this and betas doing all the hard work (computer programming, engineering, etc)

        [–]NakedAndBehindYou 3 points4 points  (4 children)

        what would actually make them happy long term

        Ultimately most women will be satisfied with commitment from a high value male. This means, as opposed to an alpha male vs beta provider, what women really want long-term (at least the ones who are psychologically stable enough to maintain a long term relationship) is what I personally call an Alpha Provider - a male that demonstrates many characteristics of an alpha male (physical attractiveness, strong frame, confidence, pre-selection [attention from other females], etc) but remains committed solely to her and doesn't seek sexual outlet with other women, and also demonstrates fatherly capability to raise children and provide for her long-term well being.

        Basically, women want to have their cake and eat it too. I say this because the vast majority of men are not going to fall into "alpha provider" territory. Most are beta providers, some are alpha males, and only a select few are alpha providers. My guess would be that this last group is primarily made of men who started out as beta and then learned via TRP/seduction/whatever how to become more alpha and confident in their lives. Alternatively, it could sometimes be a man who started out as a typical alpha male fucking bitches, but later in life realized that he wants to settle down and raise a family, so he starts looking for a good wife instead of just girls to fuck.

        [–]1trplurker 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        Alternatively, it could sometimes be a man who started out as a typical alpha male fucking bitches, but later in life realized that he wants to settle down and raise a family, so he starts looking for a good wife instead of just girls to fuck.

        This is where they come from, very few are from the BB neck of the woods.

        "Fucking bitch's" gets old eventually, for some men it's only a few years, for others it's a decade or more. There comes a point where you've had all the fun, you've ridden all the rides, and you just want to do your own thing and having a second mate around really helps things out. You want to have children and spread your genetics because it is a biological drive for men, just not on the same scale as for women. So ultimately you start filtering your plates, selecting for more "family" centered traits vs being purely based on sexuality. Eventually the guy finds a solid girl who's not quite as spoiled as the rest, and then the family gets started.

        Thing is, this can only happen after the man's had his fun being a man whore. He needs to first actualize and know that he can easily pull hot sex, this is central to him overcoming her attempts to use her pussy as a weapon.

        [–]1Dev_on 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        for me it wasn't even that. I actually started to forget some of the girls. I remember one day running into someone I had sex with, and didn't even reckognize her... complete blank.

        I realized, whats the point of chasing sex, if I'm not even going to be able to remember it?

        [–]makethemsayayy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Oh yes I know what he's describing.

        He's describing the Tom Brady condition.

        A stud, with millions of dollars, who, even if she got the inkling that she wanted someone else, she remembers that she's married to Tom Brady and can't do any better.

        Short of this, I still think marriage just won't work with MOST women.

        [–]1Dev_on 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        hardship creates bonds. Why do you think so many people suggest grabbing a foreign girl from a 3rd world country? Theres a reason they are more loyal, and it isn't culture... when you're raised without a silver spoon, it creates a better character.

        [–]jcrpta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It is not our responsibility to worry about that.

        If we find a woman who genuinely is happier that way, good for her! But don't hold your breath, society has spent the last forty years telling girls that women in the 1950s had no opportunities, were frequently abused and on the whole a miserable bunch. By now, pretty much every woman under the age of 40 is utterly convinced it's true.

        [–]blandboringusername -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        are these women happy with their lives?

        Maybe if they can get some alpha power-fucking on the side when the kids are in school and beta-boy is at work earning more money for them?

        [–]1FunAndFreedom 20 points21 points  (10 children)

        This post is absolutely A+ material. I've wrote on this forum before about this happening to a friend in my own life and you described it to a T. Including the spike in sex for the BB when she sees the AF.

        To answer the one posters question of if the women are happy post divorce. Generally NO. They live their late 30's chasing their lost youth. They never have the financial security they had with their original BB and end up alone. Women are irrational and not able to realize they are depreciating assets.

        We have a term for these girls on one of my business forums, we call them the "Aging American Party Girls". I'll have to copy/paste some of the gems from there.

        [–]GC0W30 6 points7 points  (4 children)

        Feel free to link the forums if they're acceptable, or PM me if not...

        [–]1FunAndFreedom 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        Here are some select quotes. I'll alternate bold and not bold because Reddit has a terrible formatting system.

        Will this deflationary recession mean the end of the Aging American Party Girl? You know her...every man on this forum has run into at least one all-American girl who has been indoctrinated by popular culture into believing that she can have it all...the home...trophy husband...the works. But she's too old now for her looks to get her the things that came easily when she was 20.

        So the Aging Party Girl starts doing some really dumb things...actions that cost her established wealth/status/ the hopes that she can still score a bigger, better deal on her own again.


        I am in the real estate business, and we have a general market indicator--the social life of a city. It is not exact and nothing can substitute for good research, but this indicator is rarely wrong in my 20+ years in the business. When the city has a "vibe" and when there is a lot of energy, then one can see progress and growth in markets. When the social scene is down, business is down.

        I was in Miami last week and Las Vegas yesterday. I stayed at THE Hotel at Mandalay. It was dead. On Monday, I grabbed a cigar and went to the sports book at Mandalay and there were 2 other people. Maybe 200 people in the casino. (The poker tables were full of wanna be champions--but that was all.) The high roller room had 3 or 4 people. I went to Mix (hot night club at Mandalay). Maybe 30 people there. There were probably 10 cougars there. All had the big hair, lots of lipstick, big fake boobs (which I love) and a lot of glitz. Two of the women talked with me and both mentioned my watch within the first 3 minutes. (Gold Daytona, black aligator strap.) Both talked about their divorces. One was from Ft. Worth. One was from Sacramento.

        I just talked casually with them, but I noticed a young girl with very tight clothing walk by. One of the women made some comment about the young girl's clothes (not so that the girl could hear). They asked me about it. I told them that the girl was hot. The next 5 minutes were spent talking about how girls today have no clue. About how all they do is text message and listen to hip hop. I just listened and laughed. They were competing against a girl that just walked by--and the young girl didn't even know these two existed.

        I felt sorry for how forward these women were. Any guy there could have probably nailed them both. I found out that one was 38 (right) and had been married 15 years--divorced for 2. The other one was 39 (in her dreams) and had been divorced for a year. Both husbands were remarried. (Interestingly enough, both women said that their husbands had NOT cheated on them, to the best of their knowledge.)

        After one beer, I decided to leave--they wanted to go out somewhere else. I had an early meeting so I went back to the room. I was happy that my wife of 20 years was safe at home with our 2 kids and I realized the value of a good woman.

        Any woman can buy fake boobs and botox. A good woman is hard to find.

        It's easy for men to remarry. Or for men to stay single. Aging is not an issue for men, except that it makes men more attractive to women. So yeah, sure both husbands remarried. Not even a question.

        But someone has put the idea into those two females' heads that they could score a better deal at 38 and 39 than what they landed back when they were in their prime. You've hit on precisely what I'm talking about for this thread.

        You've seen them up close: the Aging American Party Girls.

        This thread may prove the women's mid-life crisis is worse than that of men! My buddy mentioned in post #1 is one example of three or four friends of mine who are all total family guys, have never fooled around and all have been taken to the cleaners by their 'trophy wives'. I kinda hate that term, as it gives one the notion that that's what they were after. The fact is that they all just happened to marry extremely good looking gals, which may be the common thread here: When the 'super attractive set' start losing their looks, they scratch at straws to grasp their final hoo-raaa and simply screw everything up! One of my friends who had such a wife (who wiped him for a SF Bay Area home that was worth about 4Mil, got his duck club and $25K a month in alimony for five years) who after two years came crawling back to him because she was done being a foot loose, fancy free slut bag. With his son (12 at the time) saying 'I don't want mommy to come home', well, that sealed her fate and he said NO! Good for him, as he will be better off. As for her life goes, the ending scene of Sharon Stone in the movie Casino comes to mind!

        Haven't seen it. Does it show aging party girls (e.g. married housewives) competing against young party girls...with said aging party girls doing really dumb things (career-wise, financially, socially, et al) in such quests for the fountain of youth or bigger/better deals?

        See, that's the thing. The party girl can land a nice life. The trick is to keep it. It's like they all eventually hit this mid-life crisis where they fantasize that they have the looks that can compete with 20 year old college girls to snag a life better today than what they caught back when they were in their prime.

        So they go for it...and lose it all. Because whatever guy they are going for today...can do better than a 35 year old ex-party girl. They lose the house. The kids have to choose where to live. Their standard of living goes down because there simply isn't as much money as their expenses have now gone up with ex-hubby, kids, and aging party girl in two homes instead of 1.

        Then their choices go downhill from there. Either they "settle" on some new guy who they consider to be be beneath them...or else they go back to work (egads!) while staying single. Because they can't score and keep the prize catches any longer. Too much younger competition.

        I know a million girls like this.. and every single one of them claims they really love their boyfriends.. when it's painfully clear why they are with them..

        I can safely say I have very.. very little respect for these women..

        they are hostile to younger men that look decent.. whether those men have money or not.. because the ladies don't have leverage on those men..

        They will end up marrying or seriously dating these well off, insecure men who know the deal and have accepted the deal.. but at the same time the men are unhappy because they realize everyone else who sees them knows the deal also..

        I too, see this a lot with girls these days. People will ask me why I never got married and sometimes, it is one of these failed party girls. I try not to say anything mean.

        I think the underlying, unspoken, non-PC truth is older men can easily be self sufficient but it much harder for older women to accomplish this. As has been stated above, an older man who is well off and self sufficient isn't looked at as "damaged goods" as is a middle aged woman. Not fair but true.

        First three questions I'm asked in NYC (95% of the time):

        Question 1: Where are you from? Interpretation: How wealthy is your family.

        Question 2: What school did you go to? Interpretation: How smart are you - and what can I predict your future earnings to be.

        Question 3: What do you do? Interpretation: How willing and able are you to pay for me.

        I'm pleasantly surprised if I don't get these questions but it's few and far between..

        Most of young male Manhattan are finance guys - bankers, traders, hedge funders, etc. It's just too expensive to live here.

        Much if not most of young female Manhattan are in PR, marketing, or fashion. Maybe 2% of those jobs can actually provide for sustainable living -- but young NYC has a 60/40 composition (60% being female). My last building in NYC was a luxury high rise in NOCHE (North Chelsea) where 75% of the renters under 26 were female. THANKS DAD! Girls making $30-45k a year with $1,800-3,000 leases. THANKS DAD!!

        Parents perpetuate the reliance on wealth, entertainment (TV/magazines/celebs) perpetuate the reliance on material possessions.

        Your statement is dead on.

        Here is another one. In Vegas, girls come from LA for the weekend. They find a guy and hang out with him. At his expense, they will stay in his hotel; go to the spa; eat meals and get a little money to do some gambling. Maybe they will do a little shopping on the guy's tab. At the end of the weekend, they keep the winnings and get a little cash. All they do is hang out and give sex. It is pretty prevalent and I know articles written on it. Actually I know girls that do this. My single guy friends love it--but they are brutal up front. If the girl is not a perfect 10, they pass--if they are spending money and the weekend with a "party ho" she better be prime.

        Tough for all those 9s out there.

        [–]1FunAndFreedom 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Here's another Gem:

        Ah, but that's precisely the rub...they don't act as though their looks have declined once they reach 35. Someone has filled their heads with so much nonsense that they are dumping their husbands of 10 and 15 years.

        Party girl gets married at 20 to up-n-coming hot-shot. Fine. They buy the big house, upgrade later to the bigger house, have 2 she's 35. She dumps Mr. Upwardly Mobile. He's got issues.

        She gets money from the divorce court settlement. Except, now she's only getting half. In the past, he was spending more than half on her. Now she and her ex have two houses. Two utility bills. More total expenses living apart than together, after all.

        So her expenses are up and her "income" is down. She goes out with "the girls" but now she's got to pay for her own share of dinner. Suddenly she doesn't want to go hit the 5 stars any longer!

        Now she's slumming on eating out. She goes to clubs, but she doesn't have the looks at 35 that she had at 20. She either says "yes" to guys she considers "beneath her" or else she goes home alone after buying her own drinks.

        Each weekend she's a little older, and her situation deteriorates every day. Soon she's desperate. She's either gotta find a chump or else become a lonely spinster...worse...she might have to actually get a job! After all, the divorce money doesn't last forever.

        What's the rule in Cali, 10 years on alimony? So she's got her looks and her money ticking on a ten year clock. If you think that she's desperate at 35, wait until she's still single at 45 with the last alimony check arriving in the mail!

        Which brings up the obvious question: Why would a hot party girl put herself into the above position? The guy she married at 20 isn't going anywhere. His idea of a mid-life crisis is buying a Ferrari. Not exactly a family killer sort of deal like divorce. She's leaving him for what will rapidly become a fast-deteriorating situation for herself financially and socially.


        What has so gotten into the currently successful party girls (i.e. the 30+ year old party girls who successfully scored the high-roller husband, 2 kids, big house, 5 star dinner restaurants, community respect/status, etc.)?

        Sure, divorce has always been around...but outside of battered women leaving a batterer or cheater, most divorces used to be the man leaving the woman (which makes sense from the logical angle that a man becomes more attractive to women as he ages and moves up in his career and in social circles).

        Now it's the aging party girl who is leaving the man. The tables have turned even though it's a pretty bone-headed move for a 35 year old woman to volunteer to go competing with 20 year co-eds.

        What is suddenly pushing women down this silly path?!

        [–]1FunAndFreedom 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Behind a fairly expensive paywall, but I'll post some in a moment.

        [–]JackGetsIt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Women are irrational and not able to realize they are depreciating assets.

        Some are. Especially some of the 'alpha females' I meet who think that being well paid and high up in a job position grants them access to mate with the other high value males she works with.

        Most know their depreciation but they miscalculate, rationalize and push it way further back. Feminism has convinced women that they can start a family at 35 plus with no risk of birth defects. They also start from a highly inflated position in the first place.

        [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        they are normally called 'twinks'

        it's been in the news a bit in the past few years

        [–]jhthm 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I too would like a PM link to these forums.

        Please and thanks.

        [–][deleted]  (6 children)


          [–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope[S] 19 points20 points  (5 children)

          And that's the minimum package.

          Sad fact is, most guys give away WAY more than half. Anything to avoid a conflict. I've seen men tell their attorney, "Give her everything." His attorney argues the ex has no right to certain assets, but the guy insists: "I don't care. I just don't want to fight anymore."

          Men really want to believe the fantasy that a wife should be your best friend. When that is proven false, most guys just want to crawl off and die. They are lost, betrayed, and hopeless. Disney dreams destroyed.

          [–]JACKDOGBOB 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          Hey it happened to me. Worst feeling in the world.

          [–]makethemsayayy 6 points7 points  (2 children)

          Lol should I ever happen to be in a fucking marriage and I tried and it didn't work out, I don't give a fuck I will make her life hell over every goddamn cent.

          I probably just won't get married.

          [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          how long do you still want to be pulled in by her frame? Especially over a television or two

          [–]makethemsayayy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Fuck that I'll pawn her jewelry and get some liquor, weed and molly and a new slut for the night.

          [–]1Dev_on 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          project scorched earth. Hitting bottom quick might be a decent strategy.

          That and my divorced friends really didn't want any of that stuff in the first place. the woman decided to buy it for them.

          Granted, he did get aderall in the divorce, so theres that

          [–]SpinEbO 11 points12 points  (1 child)

          God.... This sounds like my mother...

          [–]galvanised_computer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          You're getting off lucky for it sounding like her. My mother is the living embodiment of a hamster.

          [–]WeAreGlidingNow 11 points12 points  (1 child)

          Why are you spying on me? How did you know my life story?

          Shit. Depressed now.

          Tonight, will not celebrate New Year. Will celebrate death of 2014.

          [–]jhthm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          RIP 2014 :(

          Keep your head up and remember that you will age like wine :)

          [–]the_red_scimitar 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          As somebody who's dated plenty of these early-40's separated/divorcee types (in both my old days and since RP), OP is spot on. I remember one who was dead set on fully reviving her old pre-marriage CC days. She knew her looks were going, and had a boob job to compensate, worked out like a fiend, and looked pretty damn good, body-wise. But she knew to get the CC rides rolling while she dug up her BB man.

          I was definitely not enough BB for her, and still transitioning to AF. Apparently enough transition occurred, since I wouldn't spend fortunes on her (heh -actually got HER to pay for our one vacation) that she had to find a better provider. Textbook though: Had the expensive high-en soccer-mom van which she LOVED, and had no ability to ever buy another car as nice (herself), two kids, and a sucker husband whom she'd cheated on a year before the separation. Oh man, the things she'd tell me just confirm it all.

          Another was similar aged, similar car situation ($40,000 station wagon), similar kid situation, but had even more work done (tummy tuck, boobs). Also knew it couldn't last - who was now gonna pay for the next round of enhancements? But this one had been a pretty serious CC rider even throughout her marriage (it had been open from the start - her husband had his side games as well).

          And it was similar - I wasn't going to play daddy (made that clear), nor buy much of anything, other than the usual xmas/b-day gift stuff. When she started to roll toward not working as hard in bed as she had, I told her to pick it up. She didn't, I quit, and she "didn't understand why".

          Both had VERY successful BB husbands.

          [–]ObviouslySwallowed 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          I know so many 40+ women who I wish I could show this to. Great post.

          [–]EurasianAesthetics 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          Thank you - another good reminder post of why I am NOT to get married!

          I swallowed the RP about 8 months ago and was so originally hurt by the truth that i got angry at TRP sub and unsubscribed.

          Came back of course, and now i am a fully awakened male with a different outlook on life and couldn't be more happy or excited for the future.

          Bring on 2015!

          [–]cosmicartery 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I swallowed same time. I just felt waves of anger over waves of anger over waves of stupidity at how my two my previous relationships failed bc I became way too beta. I was caring and loving, but that's what happened when you love and care about a woman so much. After the TRP realisations, it's only myself that I truly care about. Cheers for 2015!

          [–]slimcoat 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Kids don't visit often enough. Ingrates. After all the sacrifices she made? Their real dad ran off before they were born. Her ex-husband abandoned her. The government? No help at all. She did it all herself. But what was the point? No one appreciates her. Thank God for Xanax.

          Fuckin' perfect. Well stated, and a perfect representation of the mind of one of these leeches.

          [–]Bryanreads 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Why did this exactly sound like what my mom did? damn

          [–]VoidInvincible 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          This should be a stand-up comedy routine. It'd be perfect, and the jester always gets a pass. I'm using this as material if I do stand-up. That last line about the xanax is gold and will get me all the claps in the audience. This is so fucking true its sickening.

          [–]Luckyluke23 6 points7 points  (3 children)

          I don't even consider this "theory" anymore. Go buy a pitcher of beer for any of your 30-something divorced friends. Get them talking about their marriage. This same script gets repeated again and again and again.

          I'm 24 and all my friends are getting married... i feel sorry for them becuse i know it will be over at 30ish... ( or maybe it won't i mean the girls they are with are great girls. i like them and i think they are a great fit for the the guys, maybe i'm just cynical)

          [–]jcrpta 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          I'm 35 and all my friends are married. Most married at about the age of 30 and they've just had the second kid.

          The first divorce was a year or two ago, but they married rather younger. I imagine the rest will follow soon.

          [–]1Dev_on 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Also 35. same thing here. the younger married one is divorced right now. The one whose wife got knocked up so she didn't have to work is having the first kid. The young one managed to go from single to married in under a year, the one with the pregnancy trick (im pregnant, so you don't need condoms) is basically sticking it out, but theres no illusions... He's getting divorced when they are 18, and she knows he is only there to make a stable family, and doesn't lover her.

          Me? LTR, never going married, and the other success in the group still has his fun when he's posted out of the city. And my female friend is happy, though she is almost 40, doesn't want kids or a husband, and basically lives like an alpha male, picking up young dudes, rock climing, and working hard enough for a comfortable life

          [–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          yeah, man... it will happen

          [–]NabroleonBonaparte 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          I had a weird realization after reading this. When I first found TRP, this would have angered or depressed me. Now I see that this is just reality.

          Women and feminism aren't on some crusade specifically to destroy men, it's all about maximizing their sexual strategy of AF/BB. They're solipsistic because our suffering has nothing to do them achieving their goal.

          Just like how TRP is for males to maximize our sexual strategy. We're not here to make women suffer, we're just trying to fulfill our biological imperative and maximize our sexual strategy. Their feelz aren't a factor for our sexual strategy. If there were a solid patriarchal structure, females would revolt since we'd be restricting their hypergamous nature.

          It doesn't seem like there was ever a time where women were better or worse than they are now, hypergamy has always been here. TRP isn't a new thing, it's just pure male nature in a different package. Essentially all males here are just getting back in touch with our biology since feminism has been misleading us this whole time.

          [–]blandboringusername 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          And so she will do the responsible thing and "outgrow" her AF badboy. She will "settle down" and be a get married to BB.

          I'm sorry to say a good friend of mine told me his remarried-with-stepkids wife describes her life exactly this way, almost word for word. Of course he believes it too. She was "stupid" in her choice of men when she was younger. She had a couple kids, got divorced, then used her newfound maturity and smarts to find a "better" husband.

          Another friend is married to a Filipina girl. Two kids, no stepkids, and she brags about how great her husband is to her friends. Take from that what you will about western women vs. the alternative.

          Both of those friends are mild mannered high earning guys. If anything, the second guy is nerdier than the first. Good guys though. I'm glad to have them as friends.

          I'm not that alpha, really. I lift, I'm tall, low body fat, and I've been in so many fights I seriously couldn't count. I guess a lot of guys have never been in a real fight? I can't even wrap my head around this. Whatever. Anyway, I'm never married/no kids, NO step-kids. High STEM earner, retired in my forties. What do those guys think of me? Am I a crazy wildman? A dangerous, violent future felon? Naw, I'm just not a beta bucks. It just don't sit right with me to have a big giant leech stuck to my back, telling me how to live my life.

          [–]BannedGamer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Filipina chicks are just as fucked up, at least the ones raised here. Live in SoCal, surrounded by/work with Filipinos. They're so easy to bang.

          [–]David949 9 points10 points  (2 children)

          I got a laugh out of this but so true. You are right on about the buy a pitcher of beers and ask around.

          My slight acceptation to this script is that I refused to buy my ex wife the SUV. Refused to have unprotected sex with her to have the second kid. Divorced her at 9.5 years and in the middle of the economic burst so the house was worth nothing. Very little to buy her out. Then lost my job and took her to court to lower the payments. I grinded it out with the lawyers to get the best outcome for me. I outwitted and out played her and now have the financial benefit of not having to pay so much

          The sad thing is that a lot of men go through this and get taken to the cleaners and they don't know how to protect themselves. There is a way out

          [–]6353juantabo 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          I outwitted and out played her and now have the financial benefit of not having to pay so much

          Incredible that in the game of divorce, THIS is "winning"

          [–]iamaguythrowaway 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          You should post how you got the best for yourself out of that dire situation.

          [–]makethemsayayy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          lol my super-feminist professor for Gender class, said:

          in the old days divorce would ruin women, and they'd be left penniless and ostracized, some MIGHT argue that it's somewhat reversed today.


          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorTRPsubmitter 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          hook up with an aging silverback for the trill

          I love this, dude.

          But yes, we need to all learn, accept and not rage against "Modern women's sexual strategy", as you said.

          All this chest-pounding of "I would not let him raise my son" or "I would make sure that other guy would know the consequences of cheating with my woman" is infantile.

          Because in women's minds, she is perfectly matter if we as men agree with her motivations. Women's motivations are legitimate to them.

          [–]cheeky--kunt 7 points8 points  (3 children)

          but this was all about her and her hamstering.

          I would like to talk more about 'beta raising his son'

          I suppose it's not just the father influence rather than giant beta dose upon entering school and his first social circle, also child movies. He spends more time under influence of teachers than parents.

          Any way to prevent the betaization of his young mind? Contact sports since childhood, doing masculine things with father, learning surviving skills (scouting?)

          [–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

          Biological or not, his role as parent is not part of the Modern Woman's Sexual Strategy.

          If you are curious, have a look in our sister subreddit: /r/RedPillParenting. I have a post in there titled "The Parental Effect" which you may find enlightening.

          I highly recommend watching the referenced documentary. It uses science to confirm many of your suspicions:

          [Later] life factors -- such as personality, happiness, drive, etc -- are not based solely on intelligence or genetics. Those are environmentally and socially influenced. But, again, science shows that "good parenting" isn't directly responsible. The primary factor is the quality of the child's peer groups. A kid's friends are far more influential than their parents!

          [–]redditor1618 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Part 7 of the documentary is a must-watch as well. It shows that social pseudo-science can cause direct harm to innocent people and why authorities decided that so much incompetence was reason enough to shut down the Nordic Gender Institute.

          [–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Yes. Such a great series. I watched it a year ago while stuck in a hotel room during a blizzard. Amazing stuff.

          Available on the sidebar "Gender Studies is Nonsense" (under the "New Here?" section). All links still working I believe.

          [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (35 children)

          If she marries the AF, she will work tirelessly to turn him into a beta. That's why it is AFs job to stay AF while providing the necessary beta comfort. It's a lot harder, and it's a balancing act. That describes most things that scare the better end of the bottom 95% off (while the others are too stupid to do anything but what they're told). Most married men convince themselves marriage is easier. That's where you get the vast majority of shifty marriages.

          I'm not telling anyone to get married if they don't want to, but the scare tactics thrown god guys. A good marriage is fucking hard, that's why most fail. Society is geared to women. That's why they win divorce. That doesn't mean marriage is no win, if a family life is what you want.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 17 points18 points  (25 children)

          So many posters use "if you want family, marriage as a must" as a crutch. It's not. Wake up and smell the ashes.

          Marriage 2.0 is literally not an option for any sane man, no matter what you want or how much you want it.

          Family is fine, I firmly believe that the highest position a man can attain in society is a patriarch of his family.

          ...But don't get legal rape twisted with family. They have nothing to do with each other anymore. Not since 1980.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 11 points12 points  (8 children)

          My entire country is commonlaw. It's really not that easy for some of us.

          [–]copralalic 6 points7 points  (4 children)

          Is a surrogate an option? Also, if you don't live with the woman, but maintain your own separate residence, does that prevent the common law marriage?

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          Yes, but you can imagine how it may be difficult to raise children without living with the mother. Doubt many women would be amenable to that.

          [–]copralalic 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          You can live with her, just have your own place on the side. Stay there now and then, get mail there, etc. If it's a trailer out in the countryside it might be affordable. Just spitballin', legal formalities, etc.

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          If I live with her for 2-3 years, I'm considered married in the eyes of the law. It doesn't even have to be continuous cohabitation.

          [–]copralalic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Boned. Only other way I can see it is if you are legally married to someone else... Weird, I know, but there are situations where it could happen and be alright.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          While that could theoretically work, the number of women 18-22 looking for long-term commitment in Canada, particularly Toronto, is incredibly small. The average age of marriage is 29 here.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Coincidentally, the number of successful relationships/families/whatever is also incredibly small - I do believe people are a product of their environment to a large degree. There's probably a lot of similar profiles that work as well and I do agree that they're very rare - alas, knowing what knowing what you need to find, even if its hard, is progress.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (15 children)

          Maybe in some places. Where I live, commonlaw is as good as married so if you want a family, and want to live with that family, it's pretty much all there is to it.

          Now if you live somewhere that doesn't recognize commonlaw, then you're right. Otherwise your "crutch" is actually a reality.

          Also, it was a "must" when I was growing up, and I was born in 1984, so you're probably not wrong, but your years are way off. The nature of marriage and divorce didn't really change until the mid 90s. Before that, having friends with divorced parents was the exception. In the 90s it became normal.

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            [–]1Dev_on 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            odd. do you divorce her by leaving chicken bones on the doorstep also?

            seems like an odd law

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (12 children)

            In my neck of the woods cohabitation with a romantic relationship for 6 months is commonlaw, which is as good as married. I agree research is best for this (or anything else). Not just to know for you, but just so you realize exactly how far your relevant laws reach. A guy in the next county could be subject to an entirely different situation due to politics.

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              [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (10 children)

              Not everyone on the internet is from the USA, dude. No offence intended, but maybe you should internalize things like that before anything else.

              [–][deleted]  (6 children)


                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                It's a good bet, but you'll always eventually lose on any bet. Like right now for example! That Alabama comment helped me zero and really said nothing. Maybe comments that do that are why so many say idiots populate this sub. It's a theory anyway.

                But no, continue arguing such a meaningless point. Keep arguing like a feminist, and speak with an argumentative tone to say nothing worthwhile. I really don't give a shit.

                [–]Furrealyo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                You're out of line here man. He tried to help and you jumped his ass for it. Not cool.

                [–][deleted]  (1 child)


                  [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  no, he's got a goo point. 40% is large enough for someone to realize we aren't all the same.

                  [–]Furrealyo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  Dang man, no need to jump his shit like that. He said he was specifically talking about Alabama...

                  [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                  It's still irrelevant to anyone outside Alabama or the US. That's all I said. Why are you offended on someone else's behalf?

                  [–]1trplurker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  It's usually by guys who are either still in the anger phase, or have only been RP for a year or so. They still in the pump and dumb phase where access to lots of new pussy seems like the greatest thing ever, and can't fathom why anyone would give that up. That or they were part of or witnessed the divorce rape of men and then refuse to acknowledge the males role in creating the situation that lead to it.

                  I know many men who were divorce raped, I also know even more men who are in rock solid marriages with families and obedient wives. The biggest difference between these groups is the mans willingness to accept the role of leadership and the difficulties that role brings with it. It's infinitely easier to just continue being a a puerarch then to hang up the hat and cane and establish a household.

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                    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                    Marriage means love if you are a man who wants it to mean love. That means realizing no woman will love you if there's no reward. It also means realizing that as a man, wanting to protect something is love. Why would you want to protect something you don't love?

                    It's all in the why. Why do you want to get married? Is it because society says so? Then you're setting yourself up to lose. Is it because you found someone you truly care about? Then you're halfway there. Add in never "letting yourself go" and always retaining the control position, and you've got a successful marriage. It's not that it's so difficult only 10% can be good, it's that 90% of men (yes, marriage problems are our fault) are so stupid or blinded that they can't even ask themselves "why"?

                    I got married because I hate the majority of women as relationship partners, thought it was just my area so I moved...nope) but managed to accidentally find one I like and who likes me, and more important respects me. This was something I'd never seen before and, in the 10 years we've been together, haven't seen since. They aren't unicorns, they're just...I don't know, diamonds? Something very rare but very real anyway. My wife is great, our family is great, and our life is great. I look at friends whose marriages fail and dam near every time it was he who stopped trying and she who got bored and left. I can think of one exception, my uncle lived the exact scenario described here ad nauseum. He's the exception in my experience though. Every other one was the husband just not trying.

                    Women want to conform and want to be with one man. Hypergamy comes in because they can't stay with a man they don't respect, and they only respect the top 20%. I don't agree they will always go for the better, I think they're happy with the top 20% but are scared he'll fall out, which is why they'll move higher within the top 20%: insurance. Everyone wants to be a star, only a few want to be the biggest star. This is true for women.

                    [–]bazwalt 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                    I know this is almost entirely unrelated to the context of your post (and for that i apologize) but Diamonds aren't rare lol. A company called De Beers is an international collector and distributor of diamonds..they're the monopoly on anything diamond.

                    They control the flow/distribution and create an artificial 'scarcity' to make sure diamonds dominate the market. In reality they're just as common and worthless as most jewelry.

                    Fun Fact: There's actually a planet that is believed to be totally diamond.

                    But anywho..just thought i'd quell that fantasy in its tracks.

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    I actually thought about that before posting. I figured it got the point across.

                    [–]Matsew 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    marriage is a no win, always.

                    [–]scalentorn 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                    I've read through that post and frankly I don't understand why people get mad about it. That's the most detailed FR I've ever seen over here. It might be bitter but it is the un-sugarcoated and bare truth. AF-BB in action.

                    Surely I wouldn't fuck a married chick cuz that might get me in trouble, but that post should give you an opinion about how she will dump your ass or BB you if you don't hold your shit as a man or commit to her.

                    [–]1Dev_on -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                    it's because it's a hypothetical. It's not the truth... Mental masturbation.

                    I mean, potentially all that could happen, but it's a 1:1000000 worst case scenario. Most won't even get near it.

                    So for me, I tend to get a little miffed when 21 year old guys aren't taking the gain of salt like they are supposed to. It's meant to be illustrative, not descriptive. Most of these scenarios are pretty easily avoidable so long as you aren't a complete doormat. All of them, on the other hand, you have to be pretty alpha for that.

                    [–]AntixD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I made that comment,What I meant was,I wouldn't want my son to be a pussy,nothing more nothing less,I honestly don't see the point in fucking a woman,cumming inside her with the intention of having a kid,And not being around to raise it,not very masculine to me,imho

                    [–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    "Will you sit with me when he picks the kids up for his weekend visitation? He intimidates me." How angry and sad the ex looks. Maybe her story is plausible. New BB feels like a protector.

                    This brought back that moment in the Big BAng Theory when Penny sends Leonard to recover money from her Alpha male ex. Will watch Big Bang in a whole new light...

                    [–]sir_wankalot_here 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                    When I posted the same thing, I got heavily downvoted. Comical.

                    [–]1Dev_on 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    It happens. I get downvotes wherever I go. Just takes the wrong argument with the wrong neckbeard.

                    Until these points start paying rent, no sense lamenting them

                    [–]jacks1000 0 points1 point  (0 children)


                    Frankly, I'm just a disappointed romantic ...

                    I was just never a "beta."

                    [–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    What a terrifying story. Is this real life? Dang. I may have to talk to some of those divorced men you mention. I don't even know any divorced guys because I don't hang around any older guys.

                    [–]BluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Thanks God for happy pills. Weeeee! Nice kitty.

                    I have read this before somewhere.

                    [–]sixfingerring 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I threw up while reading this. I don't know if it's the alcohol from last night, but this shit really has me heated


                    [–]sofific 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Im a girl and im not here for the women are good people bullshit.No one is good but the way you talk about marriage makes it sound like war.Find someone you love and trust and make it obvious that you're not going to be an extra limb but a demanding person and work from there. I just imagined being OP and.i pictured myself sleepless with ulcer and skin problems

                    [–]Redpillc0re -1 points0 points  (13 children)

                    Going on a tangent, but why do you guys create posts that should be comments on other posts? Almost every other post is followed by a comment post, and then a counter-comment post.

                    Also, situations like these are rather extreme, let's say less than 5% of the population is raising other guy's children.

                    [–]2 MRedPillWatchTower 10 points11 points  (3 children)

                    That's what's reported. However, in many, many cases, paternity testing is either frowned upon, discouraged, or in the case of some European countries, outright illegal. Society doesn't want men to know when they're getting cucked, because those men might just take their ball, go home, and stop being good little capitalist worker bees.

                    [–]Redpillc0re 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                    I know a doctor who had discovered numerous such cases (with the tools we have today, it's not uncommon for doctors to figure it out while doing blood or genetic tests for unrelated reasons). Boy, i would never want to be in the position of having to tell the "father".

                    [–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    In the US, doctors are prohibited from volunteering paternity knowledge. If you don't ask the question, they're not allowed to give the answer.

                    [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    it can go either way. but until there are studies, it's just speculation

                    [–]3 Endorsed ContributorRedPope[S] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                    You can participate here without having read the thread that inspired this post. This topic is different enough to warrant it's own thread.

                    The exact percentage of paternity fraud is unknown. It is frequently estimated to be around 4-10%. However:

                    in studies that solely looked at couples [where] paternity was being disputed, there are higher levels; an incidence of 17% to 33%

                    In other words, trust your gut.

                    [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    that goes without saying. People are horrible liars, and the only story you hear is the person having to convince himself he's crazy, and was actually right.

                    there will be other red flags, you're right

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                      [–]meatrocket8 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                      Welp part of Maury is bullshit but yes part not. Still the people you refer to are the trash of trashed, mostly negros that fuck everything with a hole (no racist).

                      Point is you can't base facts on Maury.

                      [–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      of course. the white trash ended up on jerry springer.

                      [–]1wiseclockcounter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                      I prefer it this way. Keeps things neat. I hate digging deep into a comment thread, I'd rather bring it out here where the point can stand by itself and get fresh debate. Too bad we can't link to our own sub though. Did i hear they were working on that?

                      [–]2Kill_Your_Ego 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                      All the actual full on statistical studies on this estimate that paternity fraud is between 10 - 15%. So go outside and look around. Every tenth person was raised by a cuckold. Probably more.

                      [–]Redpillc0re 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I don't mean to underestimate the problem, it's not a negligible percentage for sure, but differs between cultures. Definitely one of the guys in these comments ...

                      [–]Luckyluke23 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      I don't even consider this "theory" anymore. Go buy a pitcher of beer for any of your 30-something divorced friends. Get them talking about their marriage. This same script gets repeated again and again and again.

                      I'm 24 and all my friends are getting married... i feel sorry for them becuse i know it will be over at 30ish... ( or maybe it won't i mean the girls they are with are great girls. i like them and i think they are a great fit for the the guys, maybe i'm just cynical)

                      [–]1Dev_on -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      great read, but mental masturbation.

                      I mean, is there anyway to know if this is correct? Other than to follow your reason? And if so, is there anything that makes it wrong that you haven't considered?

                      I get that hard truths are a part of life, but just making something hard, doesn't make it truth either.

                      Having said that, I can see this as a worst case scenario, but would bet that most fall somewhere in between this, and a unicorn.

                      [–]Sameoo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      Wait. So you know how people make fun of black dads and they don't exist because they get women pregnant and move on? So those are the right way to do it, but instead we do in a way so that the woman won't make us paid for child support?

                      [–]lipstickeater -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

                      Thank God for being a Muslim. You'll never bed a single one of us gorgeous ladies.

                      [–]bimble740 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      I've had a couple. Nothing special.