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[–]pogiface 81 points82 points  (0 children)

This is so beyond true, this is what happened with my ex wife and where she is now. Thinking she has it all when in fact she is an older lady with kids and good men have better options , younger, thinner, no kids, and so on..

[–]cock_pussy_up 35 points36 points  (5 children)

Young men who get rejected by young women in their teens and 20s should remember that a woman's SMV trajectory is always downward after their early 20s, whereas they have the possibility of improving and banging younger chicks in their middle age.

[–]asdfghjkltyu 16 points17 points  (3 children)

I find people make two mistakes with the 'mens SMV increases' cliché.

Firstly that 'mens SMV always increases' into middle age. Of course wrong, if you're not successful and let yourself go it will decrease from 30-40.

But the second one is 'you need to be super successful and super fit for it to increase'. This also isn't true, a man at age 30 as long as he has some experience with women, has a job and doesn't live in his parents basement and has atleast a rented abode will have significant advantage over most 20 year old guys who have basically nothing. Also his air of confidence will benefit him over 20 year olds who are mostly extremely insecure.

The only issue for 30 year old men is everyone tries to cockblock them if they want to date 22 year olds.

[–]1independentmale 10 points11 points  (2 children)

The only issue for 30 year old men is everyone tries to cockblock them if they want to date 22 year olds.

I find it especially entertaining, personally. I got a lot of sneers from people a few years back when I was hanging out with a 19yo (I'm in my thirties). I just smiled, laughed to myself and didn't give a single fuck. My own mother used the word "disgusting." Still no fucks to give. Haters gonna hate. (Dad quietly praised me after mom left the room, said he hoped I was "tapping that.")

[–]1exit_sandman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dad quietly praised me after mom left the room, said he hoped I was "tapping that."

That's actually pretty funny.

[–]ChivaVonChiva 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My own mother used the word "disgusting." Still no fucks to give. Haters gonna hate. (Dad quietly praised me after mom left the room, said he hoped I was "tapping that.")

HAHA! Just like my parents. My sister would shake her head too

[–]tyofwa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If the kitten did not want me, then I don't want the cat.

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    [–]down_with_whomever[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    thanks for the tip I'll put it in my post

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      [–]down_with_whomever[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Totally. I have never seen it before but I like it a lot.

      [–]Ojisan1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I think I liked your post better. CH's was not as easy to read because of the way it's set up as a response to another article. Both were insightful, but don't discount your own contribution here, it was very good.

      [–]through_a_ways 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Five Minutes of Alpha = Fifty Years of Pining[1] .

      Also why the biggest dropoff in marital/life satisfaction for women is after just the first premarital sex partner.

      [–]sundaybrunch11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This reminds me of the Katy Perry song, "The one that got away". Even the MTV is about this.

      [–]LMS_THEORY_ 23 points24 points  (6 children)

      And this, my friends, this is why hypergamy is ultimately a losing game. Hypergamy is not bad for men, it's bad for women. Women don't have to put in effort to obtain sex like men do, so when women have sex with top tier males, they think it's because I'm an awesome woman! He validates my (high) sexual worth!. In fact, it was only an anomaly. If pussy was a currency, hypergamy would be the inflation that makes it worth less than previously assumed

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 14 points15 points  (1 child)

      Yep. It's like if the government printed off $1M for everyone and put it in their bank accounts.

      Men would see it and wonder how much value a million dollars has now.

      Women see 1 million dollars and think about the spending spree she can go on.

      [–]AlchemyPhoenix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It's bad for some women, but it does allow multiple women to cluster around the resources of the top men. There are a lot of guys paying alimony and support to their exes while sleeping with the new, younger wife. If you make the oversimplified assumption that every man in the top 10% gets two women, and everyone after that pairs up monogamously with the best option left, then Mr. 11% has to settle for Ms. 21%, and so on. Every woman in the middle of the pack benefits from the best women all piling up on the same alpha + men.

      [–]brotherjustincrowe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Stagflation, really. For every halfway decent girl about to enter the SMP there's a hundred more future bitter femicunts.

      Do your part, men: don't fuck fatties.

      [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This reminds me of my ex who is bi. She would say that she found next to no value in a guy who found her attractive because at the end of the day, she knew they would fuck anything.

      With that being said, she claims she preferred women. After all things considered, I think its because she was seeking legitimate validation. Something she was unable to get from men. No matter who she could end up with, if its a man, it didn't say anything about her.

      [–]rztzz 126 points127 points  (37 children)

      I really agree with this post (except for the unnecessary divorce settlement part at the end) and have been saying it for years. This post is why online dating doesn't work as well as it should. Back when I was on Okcupid a couple years ago I would say this exact sentiment over at r/okcupid on a regular basis --okcupid distorts the average girl's perception of what she can get --of course always downvoted and replied to negatively by some girl.

      And this doesn't just apply to women --guys who manage to date a hot girl for 4+ months will absolutely compare all following girlfriends to her. I know I do.

      The difference is that it's easy for girls to go on Tinder or be at some college party and hook up with a guy hotter than her. It's so easy that it's dangerous, especially combined with women's natural senses of entitlement. I was watching porn the other day and this absolute stud of a man (muscles, big cock, great looking face, top 1% SMV easily) was fucking this girl reallllly well, and of course the top comment was from a woman saying "every girl deserves to be fucked like this". And all I thought was really??? Every girl deserves this top 1% man? So they can resent their husband for years for not being him? Get outta here.

      [–]down_with_whomever[S] 62 points63 points  (8 children)

      except for the unnecessary divorce settlement part at the end

      I don't think it's unnecessary at all. I think that divorce rape is very pertinent. That's where the story ends for the BB.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 26 points27 points  (2 children)

      Divorce Rape is always relevant. Also this is a great write up on the 'Alpha Widow' problem. In fact I would suggest that this post should be sidebar material.

      Remember that Alpha Widows who are now post-wall are the types who are likely to engage in spermjacking so unless you've gotten a vasectomy you're really playing with fire when you fuck one of them.

      [–]MUTHAFATHAGENTLEMAN 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Please consider a ♂ for /u/down_with_whomever. Excellent post that, if it doesn't get in the sidebar, definitely deserves it's author to be recognized in the community.

      [–]2 MRedPillWatchTower 14 points15 points  (2 children)

      That's where it ends 55% of the time these days. Very few marriages today dissolve for some sort of "cause", i.e., cheating, physical abuse, etc. The most cited reason among the women who bring most divorces is "irreconcilable differences". That's legalese speak for "she's not haaaaaapy" anymore. Or "bored".

      So yes, it is a necessary part of the conversation and one that should be strongly considered before some fool puts a $10k ring on the finger of a wall slamming, entitled American princess.

      [–]down_with_whomever[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Absolutely. But I'm surprised anyone would be convinced of this. Most of us probably have firsthand experience of it watching our own parents' divorce. I know I do.

      [–]1independentmale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The most cited reason among the women who bring most divorces is "irreconcilable differences".

      In many states, no-fault divorce laws make any other reason irrelevant. The courts don't have the time to chase down accusations and deal with all of the he-said she-said nonsense so they just did away with it.

      [–]HAMMURABl 47 points48 points  (20 children)

      This post is why online dating doesn't work as well as it should.

      this is why tinder et al. are such a huge changer in the path society takes: it fucks with womens expectation of their future partner. now this doesn`t really matter today. hit the gym religiously and you should be fine. betas will be left out, but who cares about them.

      but in a few years, when generation tinder women want to settle down - will they really be able to find a BB? many previously potential marriage partners will simply have dropped out of the game, have gone their own way, or have swallowed the red pill and are banging a 20 y/o now. the raised expectation of generation tinder women and decreased supply of beta providers doesnt make a happy marriage for these women very likely. in fact, it doesn`t make a marriage likely at all.

      due to this delay, we have seen very little of the tinder impact on society. but in 5-10 years the fun begins.

      [–]BrunoOh 70 points71 points  (2 children)

      betas will be left out, but who cares about them.

      I do. First of all, out of compassion. Second, (young) men without a path are unstable. Just take a look at the Middle East right now. I like my civilizations peacefully.

      but in 5-10 years the fun begins.

      See Misandry Bubble.

      [–]Silas_Caliburn 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      Look at America right now. It isn't alpha males who are going nuts and shooting up schools, malls, and theaters either. It's the last desperate attempt of a man who is tired of being submissive and doesn't know how to deal with what he's feeling to take control of his environment.

      You're correct, Betas need to be put on the path. It's the natural state of man. You feel the "rightness" of it once you break out of trained state society has put you in.

      [–]Slender_Loris 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Fuck your logic. Nah, but seriously good post.

      [–]MUTHAFATHAGENTLEMAN 33 points34 points  (14 children)

      I'm excited. Whatever path you decide to take, RP wins in the long run. Think 10 years down the road.

      The video game boys generation that never wakes up, although sad, will only make fit, learned, fashionable guy all the more valuable.

      The myriad of divorced or single mothers, whining about their sad lives, will only make the desire to not fuck up and to stay married grow. I think when a RP wife sees her miserable friends, it will be a subtle reminder to count her blessings.

      [–]fuckwithpurpose 11 points12 points  (11 children)

      The video game boys generation that never wakes up, although sad, will only make fit, learned, fashionable guy all the more valuable.

      I feel like I have a mark on my back walking around fit and fashionable in my workplace, and have started dressing down and having shittier posture sometimes to blend in with the other engineers. I was fired from a job recently when some beta male coworkers threw me under the bus after I showed them texts from a plate begging me to come fuck her while we were out for drinks one night (error in judgement, betas are as malignant as women). Somehow that was a fireable offense even outside work, but anyway, I don't see any shortage of this in the future. I worry that red pillers will end up socially excommunicated or in jail because being a confident and fit man makes everyone so uncomfortable.

      [–]MUTHAFATHAGENTLEMAN 4 points5 points  (7 children)

      Being a nice guy who is unfuckwithable will get you far in the workplace. Corporations value people who can tell representatives of other corporations to fuck off, no deal.

      The biggest companies of the world will always need to be run and piloted by alpha males, even if the ladder to get there is crawling with beta sycophants.

      [–]fuckwithpurpose 4 points5 points  (5 children)

      Very true, it needs alpha pilots and I'm not arguing with that. I'm somewhat just venting my shitty experience since I can't talk about it with many people. But the whole experience made me reflect on what 'being alpha' means and I, like many red pillers, probably over emphasized the dominance aspect a little bit in the beginning. I now emphasize not standing out at work as somebody who people would personally envy, which means not appearing too excellent in any way except as directly related to the job. I've got my sights set on climbing rank now, but in the mean time I am putting myself closer to the average in appearances at least, but continuing to perform and take the lead when it's the right time. I aspire now to appear average/lame around my coworkers so they don't crab bucket me down, and stand out in the CEO's office.

      [–]Zachar1a 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      You can be alpha in other ways among betas (holding frame, etc.), without causing them to feel ashamed by the fact that they aren't successful with women, and you are. If you do it right, soon they will be following your instructions and you will be managing them.

      [–]garlicextract 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      You can be alpha in other ways among betas (holding frame, etc.), without causing them to feel ashamed by the fact that they aren't successful with women, and you are.

      This is the key here. Everyone likes being around successful people - unless you use your success to make them feel shitty about themselves. That may not have been /u/fuckwithpurpose 's intention, but it's something to keep in mind.

      And the guy's coworkers are still shitty for screwing over his job, that's messed up, not disputing that at all.

      [–]BrunoOh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That may not have been /u/fuckwithpurpose 's intention

      And it was absolutely what happened.

      Imagine if you're one of those beta engineers, "doing everything right" and wining and dining women just to get friendzoned. Then this guy has the same women begging for his cock.

      Hell, I've never had beta tendencies, but pre-pill me would get jealous too.

      [–]MUTHAFATHAGENTLEMAN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I totally understand dude. We all go through the over-compensation phase. I know I alienated some people.

      You're going about this the correct way. I hope you see bounty in 2015, all the best will come to you. Your CEO is looking for people to give more responsibility to (and more pay), and he will see your value.

      [–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      One of the laws of power is to never appear too perfect

      [–]emblasochist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      That's why I was telling another RPer to cultivate the image of being strong-willed, but right. It doesn't fucking matter if you're right, but not strong-willed enough to see it through, and there are plenty enough people who are strong-willed and wrong. Going against the flow is hard in the moment sometimes, but so much easier long term; you get exactly what you wanted and had an excellent time doing it.

      [–]Ronin11A 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      That's completely fucked. Your personal dating life should not be grounds for termination from your professional career, unless said plate worked at the company.

      [–]fuckwithpurpose 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Yea, and you shouldn't be able to get a DUI riding a bike or sleeping in your car, but you can and it happens all the time. The world can be fucking dangerous for anyone who steps out of line even a little bit. I imagine the rigid legal and HR system (driven by legal) combined with the increasingly draconian laws on everything will cause people who rock the boat to do so closer and closer to the edge of acceptable legal risk, which shrinks as laws expand.

      [–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      *malignant You mean "malevolent"

      [–]neolithicera 21 points22 points  (1 child)

      Of course RP wins in the long run, it is a path constant self improvement. I however find the lack of quality people in this world disturbing. Men or women it doesn't matter the average person is decreasing in quality. So while yes it is a win for you personally and your SMV do you really want to live in a world where there are such few quality people to have as your friends, colleagues, partners and teachers? I for one want people to take responsibility for their lives again and become the best they can be. I know this dream is unrealistic, however that doesn't mean it is good to revel in the degradation of society.

      [–]Silas_Caliburn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      This cannot be stated enough. If you are working on constant self-improvement good things will come your way.

      Cut low quality people loose. Teach those with potential and who are willing to put in the work. The community of people working toward a worthwhile goal is too small, if you can make it bigger, it will only benefit you.

      We are temporary, but what we do can change attitudes on a larger scale. Be the example. Improve yourself and teach other to do the same. You can learn as much teaching someone skills as they can from you.

      [–]LMS_THEORY_ 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      I wouldn't be surprised if women in general swallow their overinflated sense of self worth so they can settle down with a BB. They need the validation, and it won't be coming from Tinder or online dating when they're mid to late 30s. Betas are frustrated with the lack of sex but can go on without it (they have been for the most part). I think both alpha widows and Betas will be ok in the long run, but they'll have to come to terms with reality that they both will never have what they truly want

      EDIT: spellchecking

      [–]1whatsazipper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      An alpha widow will always pine for some alpha dick. Even if she swallows her resentment, in the event of temptation, will she suppress her desire? I'm doubtful. A beta getting with an alpha widow is a disaster waiting to happen.

      [–]galvanised_computer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      What do you mean minus the divorce settlement? Sure it's not a major point but it's still true and worth mentioning.

      [–]1grendalor 13 points14 points  (3 children)

      Which brings up another important point that is often overlooked.

      Women are looking at porn more than anyone in the culture likes to talk about. Nothing like the level of men looking at porn, but more than most people think. And porn is also forming expectations, as you note, of what men "should be like" -- both in terms of bedroom performance, as well as body type, cock size and so on. It's kind of going on right now under the radar screen, because the culture as a whole sees porn as being a guy thing (which it is -- that isn't wrong, it's just that more women, especially women under, say 30, have watched more porn than anyone thinks, and are being influenced by it as well).

      [–]Reddthrown 14 points15 points  (2 children)

      That's why I love young chicks. They think anal, deep throating, cum shots, swallowing are normal and expected. Thank you porn!

      [–]Granny_Whisperer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I gotta agree here. Also if you are old enough you can remember when female pubic hair all but ceased to exist. I don't miss having to navigate through the pudendal jungle.

      Thank you porn indeed.

      [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I agree. I've never had an issue with getting a girl to do any of those things except swallowing. But they have all let me cum in their mouth. One chick blatantly said, "yeah. I watch a lot of porn"...

      [–]DaphneDK 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      And this doesn't just apply to women --guys who manage to date a hot girl for 4+ months will absolutely compare all following girlfriends to her. I know I do.

      And even the most low-life basement dwelling loser man can go and buy a super hot whore for an hour or two. One none of his potential mates would ever be able to touch with a ten foot long pole, as far as physical beauty goes

      [–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It's not just that. All online dating has fundamental flaw in that it is an unequal transaction. Girls get something out of it that men don't - attention. At the same time, guys have to pay a price that men don't - the work of having to write so many messages.

      [–]neveragoodtime 24 points25 points  (2 children)

      For you white knights on the fence, this isn't an issue of men who are intimidated by a strong woman's past sexual exploits. That if she tells you those days are over and she doesn't do those things anymore and he was a jerk anyway and she loves you for you and sex isn't that important anyway, she must be telling you the truth now. You're not being compared to what she had in her past, you're being compared to what she couldn't have. She never had the alpha, she just fucked him, and therefore thinks she could have had him, but obviously she didn't lock him down. It's not that you can't compete with her exes, you can't meet her expectations, and she will always be less happy in your relationship.

      Also, I don't think girls don't care about their alpha screwing other girls, it's just they're afraid to give him grief about it, because they want to be the last girl standing. They think he'll eventually pick her over all the others.

      [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Also, I don't think girls don't care about their alpha screwing other girls, it's just they're afraid to give him grief about it, because they want to be the last girl standing. They think he'll eventually pick her over all the others.

      Yeah. This is definitely it.

      EDIT: cut out irrelevant bit

      [–]1grendalor 16 points17 points  (0 children)

      A very good summary.

      I would add that hypergamy will always demand someone who is higher SMV and will feel "cheated" with someone who is equal SMV. The issue with alpha widows is that they don't see a guy who is, say, a point higher in SMV as being sufficient, because they have gotten sex from guys who are a few points higher. So one point higher feels "bad" to them, when it should be sufficient for "normal" hypergamy. A woman will never feel good about being with a guy with the exact same SMV, because that isn't hypergamy, but she should be satisfied with a guy who is one point higher -- alpha widowhood messes that up.

      [–]RPenetrate 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      she's less fun and cheerful than she was in her 20's, and generally less attractive.

      Their attitude and demeanour count for a lot. I know plenty of girls in their early thirties, and the Alpha Widows wear the stench of desperation and bitterness like a bad perfume. On the other hand, there's a small proportion of single women in their early thirties that still have a youthful attitude; and, as long as they're moderately attractive and take care of themselves, they generally don't stay single for long.

      [–]UndesirableFarang 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Bit of the chicken and the egg here. To a large degree, bad attitude comes from unfulfilled expectations and diminishing prospects. Those who maintain a positive/youthful attitude are probably more grounded in reality and not as upset by disappointment.

      [–]dat_shermstick 43 points44 points  (2 children)

      However, in HER mind, she's increased in value: She now has a master's degree in women's studies and a 32k a year job working in HR and two cats - this is a woman on top of her game! She now decides it's time to settle down because that biological clock is ticking.

      Garfunkel and Oates play the same woman, 2 years apart. Kate plays the 29 year old version of the woman, Riki plays the 31 year old.

      hilariously apropos

      [–]Ojisan1 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      That is hilarious. There's a 29 year old I know who is exactly that way. I especially liked the part where Kate is just going "la la la la" while Riki is screaming at her to wise up.

      [–]emblasochist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The irony there is that Kate and Riki I think are both still very feminist-y. They somehow came to the conclusion that this is very close to reality, but they don't seem to have changed their behavior to adapt to the best possible outcome... Sad...

      [–]FerrusMan 13 points14 points  (6 children)

      This is a good post, and if I could add to it:

      "He's not a bad guy, and there's nothing specifically offensive about him, but he isn't in shape, handsome, interesting, smart, or wealthy."

      But the sex is kind of boring, and although he's a good husband, he just doesn't do it for her. She feels guilty, but she fantasizes about 95th percentile man taking her, and having his way with her. In fact she thinks about him a lot, she supposes this is what is called "pining away" for him.

      The alpha widow goes through life comparing men to their highest ranking male that bedded them. Think of the movie titanic, just one example. I think the danger here is that some women just remember the good things about her 95 man, and end up putting him very high on a pedestal so others cannot compare. In fact, because he probably dumped her, or checked out early because he lived his life in such a manner that was reckless, she hamsters out a way to make him so sky high that she feels better about herself. In reality, the guy was probably your typical alpha jerk, (and I am by no means calling that a bad thing) but boy did he give her tingles.

      [–]down_with_whomever[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      You get what I'm talkin about.

      [–]fordmarkII 2 points3 points  (4 children)

      Bitch here calls the women described "alpha widow" as victims. That's bullshit because they do that to themselves, in control, and make sure the control goes in favor of letting it happen.

      This is not debatable, don't be a fool and get over these men.

      [–]FerrusMan 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      You've got me wrong, I don't harbor resentment against "these men", that's why I said, and I am by no means calling that a bad thing.

      That's a good article, I've read that before, maybe from rollo or chateau link. They most certainly are not victims.

      I was trying to point out (and maybe poorly) that one alpha widow's true love man can be just your average alpha guy spinning a plate.

      [–]fordmarkII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Of course, no resentment. How else are women gonna toughen up against these experiences, encounters, and probably worst of all feelings? This is just basic nature and if handled poorly will be brutal on the individual.

      Thanks to that idiot, some women believe they're victims over this shit. Wow.

      [–]brotherjustincrowe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Given how women respond to aloofness and emotional independence, she's more likely a random P&D than anything.

      [–]long-lostfriend 10 points11 points  (7 children)

      Nice tale, but "alpha widowing" doesn't require that a woman wait until the Wall (or after) to settle for a man with the same SMV. My ex-wife married me when she was 25, and she hadn't had more than a couple of partners. Her first, however, was when she was 14 years old and he had fucked her off and on pretty consistently, even when she was dating another man. I even found an old picture of the guy in her desk several years into our marriage. She was smart enough to realize he would make a poor husband (as he cheated on her and knocked the other girl up in high school), but that didn't stop her wishing that things had been different.

      Shortly before we separated (she was pushing 40 at the time), she even wrote a letter to this guy to check and see how he was doing (read: "to get some more of that alpha cock"). Sadly, he was married and wished her well. The whole incident was pretty fucking pathetic.

      [–]1grendalor 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      Sorry to hear that, but it happens.

      For the woman, it's the best sex she ever had -- her pussy just doesn't respond to other men that way, and that's a hard feeling to shake. The imprinting, when first sex is with an alpha, is pretty much devastating for the rest of a woman's relationship life unless she is HB9+ and can get one to commit.

      [–]long-lostfriend 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Oh, nothing to be sad about. My new wife is 25 and had previous partner count of zero. I have alpha widowed her for anyone else. So, it is all good.

      [–]1grendalor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That's good to hear -- nice to have landed on your feet like that!

      [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Goddamn. 15+ years later? The power...

      [–]long-lostfriend 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Yeah. Just a couple of months ago I ran into my first college gf (25 years had passed). I was her first for almost everything. She has been married for almost 20 years herself, but a few weeks later, she drove over 200 miles on her company's dime to get fucked by me. And I was far from the TRP in those days. I just made a strong first impression, I suppose.

      [–]2RedPillSafe 21 points22 points  (1 child)

      This is why the rigidity of the (ancient and long gone) Patriarchy was an advantage.

      A woman had ONE SHOT at hypergamy in Marriage 1.0 and no matter who they picked it was going to be her only choice.

      • Hypergamy and Hamstering... quite a disaster.

      [–]brotherjustincrowe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Now they have feminism - a jealous ideology (religion/cult?) whose high priests seek to be in charge of the only social control method running women's brains.

      [–]through_a_ways 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      He's not a bad guy, and there's nothing specifically offensive about him, but he isn't in shape, handsome, interesting, smart, or wealthy. Never mind the fact that she herself is not in shape, handsome interesting, smart, or wealthy either - but that doesn't stop her from secretly resented his mediocrity.

      It is much better to live as a bum and graduate to the lower middle class, than it is to live as a king and be demoted to the lower middle class.

      This is probably part of the reason why women with more sex partners have more depression and decreased life satisfaction. And also why women initiate 80% of divorces. Hard to be satisfied being married to a 5 when you were being fucked by 9s

      [–]Endorsed ContributorDoxasticPoo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      This happens because women confuse the gatekeepers rule. They think men and women are equal and by giving away sex (their resource), men will give away commitment.

      They think that because they're getting sex from a 9 dude, they can also get commitment from one. They don't realize that getting sex from a 9 is very different from getting commitment.

      [–]let_terror_reign 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      This is well expounded, but in reality this applies to everyone and everything. We always make comparisons with the best we've ever had. That burger. That game of football. Etc.

      [–]1grendalor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      This is true, but this instance can be more damaging.

      We always said in my generation (late 40s) that you never forget your first girlfriend (meaning your first time). It's about imprinting. But I don't think any of us felt cheated with the women we "ended up with" because they didn't compare with our first GF. The key difference is the intersection between imprinting and hypergamy and how they link in this SMP -- where women can (and do regularly) access sex with men who are "out of their league" for anything other than casual sex. This provides a strong imprinting, because it syncs with their natural hypergamy, and there is a mutual reinforcement dynamic. It impedes her later recognizing that a man who is, say, one point higher is "good enough", because he doesn't compare to the guys who would pump-n-dump her when she was at her peak at 23. This is very harmful, and more powerful than memories of the best burger you've ever had -- the reason being the dynamic with women's internal attraction and arousal wiring. What's happening is that the wiring is being primed for certain triggers, and these triggers are not feasible for life partners (they are out of the league for that), so it sets women up for relationship disappointment and failure. It's a significant problem, and one which has specific exacerbating characteristics in this context, again due to how women's attraction and arousal wiring works.

      [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yeah. But I don't think men dwell on it too much. Men are typically fine being single and playing the field. Those who want to settle down will look for a good combination of physical and mental attraction. Women don't know what they want, so they often get fucked over.

      Girl A may be the best fuck I ever had. But she was a total bitch. Chick B is a pretty damn good fuck. Not as good as A, but still pretty good. But she's sweet as sugar and never crosses me. I'll pick girl B and never look back on girl A. After a few months, I will have completely forgot what it was like being with girl A. It will be a cloudy memory...

      Its the opposite for women.

      [–]surfjihad 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Thank you for this explanation. Now "Alpha Widow" makes sense to me. To ask the obvious, aren't most modern women in this situation?

      [–]1grendalor 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      Many are, yes. I'd say the phenomenon is increasing, as well, among women under 30 as we have moved into the Tinder phase of human relationships. There are women who are not impacted, but ones who are not impacted and are actually attractive as well are becoming rarer outside of small, conservative religious communities. It is becoming more of the standard script, though.

      Facebook's CEO Sheryl Sandberg basically endorsed it in her book "Leaning In", where she wrote that women should date fun, sexy, exciting and unsuitable-for-marriage men when in their 20s, and then marry a stable and sensible man later on. Pure AF/BB, although not using those terms obviously. This is now the new script for many women.

      [–]monsieurhire2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      SPOILER ALERT FOR MADAME BOVARY

      This phenomenon is somewhat similar to the plot of Madame Bovary, where Bovary's destruction is set in motion by attending a party held by aristocrats, and then finding her life married to a doctor to be horrificly mundane in contrast. She even gets seduced by a player pretending to be an aristocrat later in the story. Ultimately, she commits suicide.

      [–]TryMeDarling 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Alpha widows don't have to think they're at the top of their game to be alpha widows. I know an alpha widow with an atrocious self-esteem issue, which combined with her rampant sense of self-entitlement creates disastrous bpd problems for herself and her family. It's like she cannot tell the difference between reality and fiction.

      [–]GentleGiant350 46 points47 points  (34 children)

      This is just a continuation of the misunderstanding that many people of both genders have regarding sexual interrelationships.

      Women generally try to sleep "up" from their own SMV. It's in their hard wired nature.

      Men, on the other hand, will sleep with whomever, within reason.

      It's all part of the biological imperative of both sexes - it's best from a biological success standpoint for men to spread their seed, because their ability to reproduce is essentially limitless, and reproductive consequences are very low. Women, on the other hand, are driven to find the best mate possible and always look to do better, since their consequences from reproduction are high, and ability to reproduce very limited (historically 5 or 6 kids on average. ) So it's in her best interest to find the best mate possible.

      Both sexes fail to consider this. The Alpha widow is no exception. She won't sleep with anyone below her own SMV and therefore cannot understand that men WILL. So when a man of higher SMV does sleep with her, it convinces her that her SMV is actually higher than it actually is based on this misunderstanding.

      The whole divorce part at the end was unecessary and seemed a little cheap-shotty and hateful, though.

      Women aren't the evil you make them out to be. If you really think about it, the alpha widow phenomenon is really sad. These poor women need a red pill of their own.

      [–]surfjihad 21 points22 points  (0 children)

      I don't think the divorce comment was cheap shotty, that's the cold reality of our family court/divorce rape system.

      [–]down_with_whomever[S] 43 points44 points  (21 children)

      Women aren't the evil you make them out to be.

      Please point out where I said that women are evil, or that they are bad for these behaviors? This moral judgement was entirely your own fabrication.

      But I don't really think it's "sad," as you say. Because, like it or not, it really is a result of their own arrogance. The fact that the vast majority of women genuinely believe they're superior to the vast majority of men, is the most popular form of hubris in the world. You might not think it's not their fault. But they don't have to be arrogant. If a woman REALLY wanted to, nothing could stop her from cultivating her character, developing self-awareness, realizing her SMV and generally coming back down to reality. It's just easier to coast along in her fantasy thinking she's a pretty pretty princess just waiting to be discovered, than to invest in self awareness.

      The whole divorce part at the end was unecessary and seemed a little cheap-shotty and hateful, though.

      You're either new here or have some kind of agenda. Is it that you think divorce rape isn't real? Or that divorce rape isn't relevant to a story about why women are dissatisfied with the men they marry and then subsequently divorced?

      [–]GentleGiant350 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      You're right. I retract that part of my post. It didn't seem relevant last night, but it makes sense on second review.

      [–]reddiforlove 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      The whole divorce part at the end was unecessary and seemed a little cheap-shotty and hateful, though.

      Not unnecessary at all, just honest and frankly an important part of the "why does it matter?"

      If these women were able accept the fact that their alpha dick days are over without letting it warp their expectations of what life with that BetaBux is going to be like or their behavior towards him, then it wouldn't matter as much that she was an alpha widow.

      [–]mythrowawaybruh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Men, on the other hand, will sleep with whomever, within reason.

      Speak for yourself. Some of us (maybe just me) have slept with literal 0's. For the record, I've had sex with women on the other end of the spectrum as well.

      I just adhere to the advice of the great Kobe "Bean" Bryant. "Keep shooting."

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Sperm is infinite, eggs are finite.

      [–]DoDraper 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      I think you should slow down a bit or you just need to keep your unrefined opinion to yourself for sometime. You look like a new here. No offense though.

      [–]GentleGiant350 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      Huh?

      Do you really think that my experience with male/female relations only started with my having signed up to post on reddit?

      [–]theultmatecad 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      Great summary but I wonder if she would actually leave without some branch swinging. Women dont leave relationships to be completely single

      [–]down_with_whomever[S] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

      Which relationship? the marriage?

      They do when it means divorce rape cash prizes.

      [–]theultmatecad -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

      Yea.....wife wont leave for divorce prizes only. She has to believe she can replace the relationship immediately. She maybe wrong about this but women always know who their next fuck will be

      [–]down_with_whomever[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      You weren't paying attention :) She didn't leave for cash prizes ONLY (those were just a huge side-benefit). She left because she didn't really want to be with her husband. She wanted to be with mister alpha cock 95th percentile, whom she thinks she deserves.

      [–]theultmatecad -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Just saying that your story was missing the infidelity or at least emotional affair that would be symptomatic of her lack of attraction to the husband

      [–]iatepussy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      10/10 would read again. thanks.

      [–]cherrypoptart27 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      Till one day he leaves the toilet seat up after he came home exhausted from working a 14 hour day to pay for their children and she decides that she's had enough of his abusiveness,

      I know this is off topic but how did this become a thing? Why do I have to put the seat up then put it down? You want me to do two things so you can do no things and just blindly park your ass down. How bout everybody looks out for themselves since we're all equals. Right guys? Right?!

      [–]joansez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Married woman here. I completely agree with you. I couldn't care less if my husband leaves the toilet seat up. So what? I just PUT IT DOWN. I never understood why this was such a big deal for women. Who the hell made the rule that a toilet seat needs to be in the down position? Jesus. Check the thing before you sit down. Case closed.

      [–]down_with_whomever[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That's the point. IT's a stupid, irrelevant non-issue. That she's willing to divorce him over.

      [–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      an easy shit test too: "OMG You always leave the toilet seat up, you have to put it down!!!"

      • challenging/flippant: "Want me to wipe your ass too?"
      • pressure flip: "You can't put down a toilet seat?" smirk
      • amused mastery: "please submit your toilet seat lowering request in triplicate and ill pencil it in for biannual review"
      • pressure flip: "OMG You always leave the toilet seat down, you have to put it up!!!"

      [–]Movonnow 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      fast forward 10 years. Now she's 32. She's gotten fatter, started to get wrinkles, she's less fun and cheerful than she was in her 20's, and generally less attractive. Let's now say she dropped in value to a man: now let's say she's 40th percentile. However, in HER mind, she's increased in value

      Not true. Women perfectly know their smv goes down as they age.

      [–]down_with_whomever[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Due to their age, yes. But they think their career, which accumulates with time, increases their SMV while in reality it often doesn't.

      [–]1exit_sandman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Also her life experience and the fact that she "knows what she wants", which translates into "now I won't put out as easily (which is practically as good as having never put out easily) but will require a man to woo me first".

      [–]Deaddpooll 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      That's why I stress on marrying virgins only

      Because the top guys that a girl fucked in her prime youth and the amazing sex she had with them will always overpower her husband's love for her.

      [–]Pubesauce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      That's why I stress on marrying virgins only

      There are not nearly enough to go around these days. It would be extremely impractical for any man in the western world to limit his selection to virgins. Even if he met a great girl who said she was a virgin, chances are she isn't. Or she is a "born again virgin". And if he goes through with the marriage expecting her to be a virgin and finds out some years later, what is he going to do? Divorce her over only that reason? The courts would find it to be a frivolous reason for divorce and you'd get taken to the cleaners for sure.

      I'm not saying you're wrong at all. Having a virgin wife would almost certainly be a better recipe for a successful marriage - it's just a fantasy these days. And chances are that those decent looking virgins are very religious and likely to be married off by 21 or so. There's an incredibly short window of time to snatch one of them up and then they're all taken and most of them won't look at you as marriage material when you're 10+ years older than them.

      If only I'd have known as a young man what I know now. To think that I considered those types of women prudes and didn't give them the time of day.

      [–]CastratedBetaOrbiter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I'm blown away when I meet a girl over the age of 22 that's a virgin.

      I can count on exactly one hand how many of those I met.

      There are plenty that claimed they were virgins, but I knew they weren't, or sucked dick like a pro.

      [–]MustafaIsHere 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Now the question is can you cure an alpha widow with another alpha?

      [–]1exit_sandman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      If he commits to her, sure, why not.

      [–]ioncloud9 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I knew a girl like this. Banged her for a few months as a plate. Fast forward a few years. She is 32, recently pregnant, going to be a single mom, was impregnated by a one night stand who wants nothing to do with her yet she is keeping the kid. She has 0 SMV now and no hope of ever getting a good guy.

      [–]down_with_whomever[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      She has 0 SMV now and no hope of ever getting a good guy.

      I bet you she could still find a BB.

      [–]2jagrmeister721 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The alpha widow syndrome means that a carouseler simply cannot enjoy relationships with an 80%'er. There was actually a study recently that showed the more the partners a woman had before marriage, the less likely she viewed her marriage as high quality.

      According to a study by University of Denver researchers, over half of women who only ever slept with their husband felt highly satisfied in their marriage. In contrast, only 22% of women were highly satisfied with their husband if they had 10+ partners before marriage.

      The study was carried out over seven years and evaluated the participants before and after marriage.

      Science is increasingly validating the old rule passed down in almost every civilization, no matter its location or nature, told in every way from direct commandments to parable of “No rings for sluts”. In the past, it was conventional wisdom, or tradition, or because some invisible man in the sky said so. Today, it is cold hard facts that promiscuous women make poor relationship material.

      A chart of this phenomenon.

      Article about study

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        [–]deathhand 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Time is a finite thing. Time spent below SMV is time that could be better spent.

        [–]HAMMURABl 6 points7 points  (12 children)

        ..which is why (in case you want an LTR, which you shouldn`t to begin with) you should generally avoid considering women over 25 - they are literally all alpha widows, and its just going downhill from that age.

        [–]down_with_whomever[S] 26 points27 points  (7 children)

        I understand your sentiment, but this:

        they are literally all alpha widows

        isn't really true. There are plenty of women for whom my post doesn't really apply.

        [–]Soultrane9 5 points6 points  (5 children)

        in case you want an LTR, which you shouldn`t to begin with

        This is also moronic. LTRs are the best thing ever. It's not for the weak though that's for sure.

        [–]down_with_whomever[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        I'm not sure what you're quoting. I never said this.

        [–]Soultrane9 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        From the guy you replied to.

        [–]1kick6 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        This is also moronic. LTRs are the best thing ever. It's not for the weak though that's for sure.

        We love that kind of blue pill excitement coupled with shaming around here. Keep it up! /s

        [–]copralalic 7 points8 points  (3 children)

        I would say 95% or more, which makes your statement essentially true. There are some who through nerdiness or virtue have had less experience and may not be widows. They are infrequent and may have a slew of other associated problems (particularly prudishness or awkwardness), but non-widowed women do exist to be found.

        [–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        They are infrequent and may have a slew of other associated problems (particularly prudishness or awkwardness), but non-widowed women do exist to be found.

        This is very true. Frequently you have to battle with prudishness. Did it once -- opened up and she became sexually willing/enthusiastic. Doing it again now and we'll see how it goes. Im giving it a 50/50 chance. They'll almost never be as kinky as a classic slut though so if that's what you need sexually it wont work, but my god are they infinitely better people to have as part of your life...

        [–]1exit_sandman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Nerdiness doesn't mean you can't sleep around, it just means that you probably aren't the target demographic of players.

        [–]copralalic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        True. But if a non-religious girl has not had many partners, she is probably nerdish/socially awkward, which is its own issue.

        [–]elatusa 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        So let's turn this around; how many future alpha widows have we produced here and how does that affect the sexual market in general?

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          [–]elatusa 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I thought the same to myself more than a few times, to the point of telling a 22 year old virgin to run away before I ruin her for most men out there. Yes, in those exact words.

          [–]down_with_whomever[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          We here at TRP don't make the game. We just make the most of it.

          [–]Rhunta 0 points1 point  (11 children)

          How come that women choose this kind of strategy? I cant believe it is in her biology.

          [–]down_with_whomever[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

          It's a good question. I think it comes from not being very self-aware, largely as a result of our culture. Women are not taught about their limitations. They're not taught that anything they do is ever bad. They're taught they're great, beautiful, perfect, and deserve everything for free. An average woman who is 50th percentile at best will rarely actually think this, and rarely settle for a man equal to her.

          So I don't think it enters their frame of mind very often, especially when they're young and pretty and are living on easy mode, that this is how it works.

          [–]galvanised_computer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          Because society is sexist and treats women differently than men. (Shelters women from reality)

          [–]rporion 29 points30 points  (3 children)

          Why are 80% or so of all NFL, NBA or Major League soccer players broke 5 years after their careers ended?

          Because they stumbled into something at a rather young age and they assumed the party would last forever.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          Yep... you think when they're getting millions of dollars a year they'd spring for an accountant and/or financial advisor. That'd be the first advice I'd give my young relatives if they're looking at a career as a professional athlete.

          [–]emblasochist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I'd be the first one to say NOPE. The choice of someone's first profession should have no bearing on the financial advice as the average schmoe, and I'd tell him learn to save at LEAST 10% of that in such a way that you forget you ever earned it, and save more percentage as you earn more. With professional athletes, the trick is to ratchet up the percentage, but otherwise the advice is the same.

          [–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          And you'd be wrong... there are substantial differences in planning finances for someone whose earnings are enormous up front and pitiful on the back, who also simultaneously have value in their personas (goodwill, trademark, rights of publicity...) in addition to tangible assets. Jimmy Buffet turned one shitty song into a billion dollar enterprise. Michael Jordan made more off of advertising and endorsement than anywhere else. Intangibles are highly relevant

          [–]1grendalor 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          It's not a "strategy" -- it's what happens to expectations when they are exposed repeatedly to sexual encounters with men above their league (in terms of who will commit to them). It's just a mismatching in the brain.

          Realistically, it can become very hard for women like this -- they really do prefer the top men, and once used to them, it's just very, very hard for them to feel good about being with one of the 80%. Not a "strategy", but simply what happens when these kinds of experiences proliferate.

          [–]through_a_ways 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          Men evolved to desire women, women didn't evolve to desire men. Men that desired women fucked many women and birthed many sons with their desirous genes. Women that fucked many men had the same number of children as women who didn't fuck many men, since ancestrally a woman could typically only have a dozen or so children without dying.

          Men look at women and just like them.

          Women have to have environmental indicators telling them that a man is worth desiring, and they will desire him as a result. This is not a fully conscious process.

          Because of this, women's (environmental) attraction is more subject to change than men's (internal) attraction. Combined with men desiring women much more, it is very easy to "swing branches" when a woman's partner decreases in value, or when the woman increases in value.

          This is oversimplified for purposes of easy understanding.

          [–]-Awake- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Saved. This is one of the best explanations I've heard that tie hypergamy in with evolution

          [–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Rush provides the answer: "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"

          They don't choose this strategy. They ignorantly follow their basic instincts until it's too late

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            [–]GentleGiant350 11 points12 points  (5 children)

            No, she is a woman who is mistaken about her own market value. She's that guy on Craigslist that bought his dream corvette back in 1988 and can't understand why no one seems to want to pay what he values it at. He sees a dreamy super car, where his buyers see a 1988 smogger vette.

            She's been convinced by her own misconceptions that she's higher value than she really is.

            Man you guys are hateful here.

            [–]RedHeimdall 14 points15 points  (0 children)

            Man you guys are hateful here

            I can't tell if you're joking or being serious... But dude you must live a pretty sheltered life if you consider the sentiments above to be "filled with hate."

            [–]copralalic 16 points17 points  (0 children)

            Man you guys are hateful here

            Some are. Hopefully it is a phase for most and they come to realize that this is merely the way things have always been, and that they were deceived because they allowed themselves to be deceived. Most grow out of it.

            [–]Soultrane9 11 points12 points  (1 child)

            Man you guys are hateful here.

            As the sub grows more percentage of the users will be in the anger phase than not.

            [–]through_a_ways 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            As the sub grows more percentage of the users will be in the anger phase than not.

            The fact that he considers the term "self entitled princess" to be hateful means he's likely to be one of them.

            [–]1kick6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Worse yet, he's the guy that didn't buy, but rented a 1988 ""sueprvette"" once, and doesn't understand why everyone else thinks it's a used up turd.

            [–]billsmashole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I don't know if this is tragedy or comedy, but I laughed.

            [–]AnonE_Mouse1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Oh dog, I read the hole post, Hoping to discover more about this "Alpha Window". I can see that, as men, we have a small timeframe/window to swallow our RP. Hope not anyway

            [–]emblasochist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            After reading the article, I have to wonder one thing; I know women do hit a wall, hard, at ~30, but do men have one? I ask, because if men start to realize they have a bit of a shelf-life as well, that can help light a fire under their asses and follow this rabbit hole as far as it goes.

            [–]down_with_whomever[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I think men's wall is gradual and comes with letting themselves go, getting sucked into dead end jobs, not progressing, not advancing. Resignation.

            This could hit at 30, it could hit at 15, or it could already hit before you've even graduated from high school if you never turn yourself around.

            [–]asdfghjkltyu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Let's now say she dropped in value to a man: now let's say she's 40th percentile. However, in HER mind, she's increased in value: She now has a master's degree in women's studies and a 32k a year job working in HR and two cats

            This is the only thing I don't agree with. Its not that women get unimpressive jobs, its that men don't care about jobs that much. You could change that to any 'respectable' degree and a 60k job and men still don't care.

            [–]THE_Aft_io9_Giz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Pretty much Naomi Watts after leaving Skull island

            [–]1exit_sandman 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            It's even funnier when looking at swinger communities.

            Apparently heartiste did an article on this topic, "fifty years of pining. I read it - it's really good. Link is here:

            The best thing is: if you don't describe that phenomenon in terms of "alpha widowism", but use such a wording as "the one that got away", you'll actually get people to agree with you.

            [–]down_with_whomever[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            What does that have to do with swinger communities?

            [–]1exit_sandman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            The alpha widowism.

            My favorite example: I got to know a young woman (mid 20s) - unattractive (a 3 tops), fat, prone to rashes, chronical medical condition, still lives with her parents, uninteresting and self-centered personality (though her self-perception differ, and she doesn't even try to become more pleasant as a person to make up for her other shortcomings, just spouting the mantra "that's how I am"). So not really someone who turns heads, but inside a swinger club (or on a sex dating website), she can be the queen for an evening.

            This has screwed with her perceptions - she's not really someone who could reliably get an average man (especially not after he heard of her hobby) to commit, let alone a quality guy, but the latter is exactly what she wants (muscular, big cock, generous, romantic, and wants to live the swinging lifestyle with her including devil's threesomes, I am not making this up). There's no way that any man who's ever willing to commit to her even remotely compares to her expectations (and also to the guys who fucked her in the past).

            Another funny example was a woman in her early 30s who had seen far better days but drooled over Chris Pine or Robert Downey Jr (and others, just to give you a picture), let herself be fucked by changing guys on a regular basis, mocked one guy who had send her a topless pic because he had a goofy smile on it (forget the fact that he was ripped as fuck) and then complained about being single and missing having a boyfriend.

            I see cats in their future.

            [–]occupythekitchen -1 points0 points  (2 children)

            men are studs and women are sluts because to be a stud you need to have game and take care of yourself, to be a slut you just need to be willing to get fucked

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              [–]MustafaIsHere 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              srsly this post was random as fuck. op probably saw an earlier trp post and thinks hes super knowledgeable now.

              [–]frrunkis -1 points0 points  (1 child)

              She now has a master's degree in women's studies and a 32k a year job working in HR and two cats

              There's so much stuff on this sub that's written to appeal to women-haters. Just the stereotype you instinctively wrote - Masters Degree in Women's Studies, Working in HR, has two cats - so many posts use similar stereotypes. I don't know how to explain what I'm saying since I'm dumb as shit, but I don't know.

              Regardless of that, good post.

              [–]down_with_whomever[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I thought that part was pretty funny, and a reference to the fact that women don't necessarily realize what does, or does not, improve their SMV in the eyes of men.

              [–]psycho-logical -4 points-3 points  (5 children)

              If you yourself are an alpha, your girl being an alpha widow shouldn't matter much at all.

              [–]down_with_whomever[S] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

              It still matters.

              No matter how good you think you are, there's still someone better than you.

              No matter how on top of your game you are, there are a lot of guys who are farther ahead than you, turning their plates into alpha widows by the day.

              Even if you're a fucking champion, this shit still affects you.

              [–]deathhand -1 points0 points  (1 child)

              Even if you're a fucking champion, this shit still affects you.

              That is a pretty defeatist attitude.

              While in probabilistic terms you are correct that there is always someone better than you what is the probability that this 'alpha widow' came across it? Being at the top of your game here and now makes one forget the past because it is too exciting. Think about comparing amusement parks while at the amusement park. If it is good enough from past experiences it won't matter. If it sucks then every moment you are comparing and feeling disappointed.

              [–]down_with_whomever[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              It's not defeatist, it's realist.

              A lot of alpha bros who thought they were such hot shit that they were above the game got divorce raped because they didn't realize that they're just as vulnerable to this shit as anybody else.

              [–]neveragoodtime 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              It matters if you're an alpha expecting an LTR with her. In a six month relationship you can't make every night as exciting as that perfect one night stand she had with the other alpha. She won't be able to remember any of his flaws, other than he never called her back. And yeah, there is always someone better, or even casually just appearing better, than you, and an alpha widow is more likely to think she deserves that, accept it. If you're just going to pump and dump, no, it doesn't matter.