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    [–]Adolf_ghandi 67 points68 points  (8 children)

    6 needs more emphasis. It is not only women doing that. Work environment is a rat race. Be the wolf in the cage not a sheep or you get fucked. I am not even 30 and have seen it more then once.

    Pick your topics. Mainstream politic opinion. Popular sports. Etc. Always go with the flow when talking at work. Never ever have a own opinion on work unrelated stuff. That shit is for your friends ONLY.

    If ppl try to nail you down on a fishy topic go gtfo with some excuse about stuff that was better already done yesterday.

    If you have to talk to the boss about political stuff because he asks and you can not bail be 1000% on guard. It is a most likely a bigger shit test then any bitch could ever pull.

    It is actually worth its own post in my opinion.

    [–]beerthroway 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Pick your topics. Mainstream politic opinion. Popular sports. Etc. Always go with the flow when talking at work. Never ever have a own opinion on work unrelated stuff. That shit is for your friends ONLY.

    It is actually worth its own post in my opinion.

    Agreed entirely. I'm not sure what other majors teach, but in education we learn that it is a political position. You keep your god damn mouth shut. If someone corners you use a political response.

    This goes for not only when you are in front of students, but also in the lunch room, or dealing with parents. You have to live the political life in public. There is no rest.

    [–]Stories_of_Red 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Mainstream politic opinion.

    Never, ever express a political opinion at work. Treat it like a discussion fo sex: absolutely never go there. If other people bring it up, you smile, nod, and then change the topic to a safe one.

    As a guy, you will get no points for the "right" attitude--whatever that is--and you will get blackballed for the wrong attitude.

    [–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I just roll with it. My direct supervisor is a woman 13 years my senior (I'm 25) and she's a minister (I'm an atheist). If she ever makes a small comment about god or church or whatever it is, I just nod my head and agree if I can't avoid it altogether.

    Thank god she's not one of those people who try to force religion down your throat. I didn't even know she was a minister until after 2 months of working with her.

    [–]asdfghjkltyu 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    The better rule would be 'Don't confide in Women'. In any situation.

    Women will stab you in the back the second you're no longer relevant to their life. They're far more interested in their own reputation, so if it comes down to you against her they will drag your name through the dirt.

    [–]Labore_Et_Constantia 79 points80 points  (7 children)

    Worked with women, here is a good one as well:

    Most women are idiots and will pry into your life about girlfriends, going out, clothes, workouts etc etc etc. Now if a guy asked you, you'd honestly answer and the conversation might be decent, but most women are passively looking for a way to start drama or bust your balls. Keep answers, short, sweet and vague and ALWAYS....ALWAYS

    FLIP THE SCRIPT

    With a guy flipping the script doesn't work, but women are natural followers and if they get in the presence of a dominant man they WILL fall in line aka you WILL lead the conversation (should you want to), so if a question is too personal or you KNOW it's headed towards drama, just flip the script and ask THEM that question. This shit works like magic and bitches are definitely too dumb to notice it and even if they do, like good little followers they fall in line.

    [–]southernmost 105 points106 points  (2 children)

    Plus it gives them a chance to talk about their favorite topic: THEMSELVES!

    [–]ZenState11 23 points24 points  (3 children)

    This is truth. I was working as an analyst in a call center dominated by women. I was warned going in to watch what I said. I had no issues. I established a strong, no bullshit presence. I listened to their frustrations but never took sides.. I ended up with a raise in 3 months because their collective opinion of me was very high and those words made it to management. Their chattiness can be a positive as long as you control the relationship.

    [–]2elysius 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    I listened to their frustrations but never took sides

    ...How? To women, if Jane is talking trash about Janet, even just sitting there listening and not expressing any kind of disapproval (which it would mean you are on Janet's side), no matter how small (such as an unfortunately timed sigh) is construed as taking Jane's side, if she comes out of the interaction with a good impression of you (if she doesn't, you were on Janet's side).

    Honest question.

    [–]WardlyHasted 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Just give vague, bullshit kind of answers. Platitudes and idioms work great in this circumstance.

    "Ya, that's the way it goes sometimes."; "Ah you win some you lose some."; "The grass is always greener on the other side."; "That's the way the cookie crumbles."

    What's important, however, is how you say it. Say it with just the right tone of voice so that it doesn't sound like you're giving them the run around, or worse, that you pretty much ignored everything they just said (even if you did). Women will definitely pick up on that.

    The key is not to express your actual opinion on the matter (i.e. "Sounds like Janet is being really rude to you."). That will be seen as taking sides. Just remain vague and ambiguous.

    Think of a pro athlete's post-game interview after they lost a big game: "Ya you know, our heart just wasn't in it tonight... uhhh... we need to do a better job of executing our game plan and uhhh hopefully the next game we'll get back on the winning side of things." Obviously! What the fuck does that even mean?

    Read the sidebar article about "Powertalk" if you haven't already.

    [–]ZenState11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This is it. Good reply. I empathized but never spoke ill of "Janet", to use the example. I just said stuff like "Sounds like you are having a bad day! Hope it improves for you." Jane and Janet's relationship is nothing I ever needed to involve myself with and I found that women respected me for not getting involved.

    [–]shzftw 108 points109 points  (13 children)

    Male nurse here, I don't really agree with number 4.

    When you start at a new place, make sure to get a good read on who is in charge of management and your options on getting more responsibility / promotion.

    If the guy in charge is a BB or man hating woman keep your head low, do the minimum that is required of you and keep looking for a better job.

    If the guy in charge is an AF or a woman with Alpha work ethic (very rare), get shit done and make it clear you are not to be fucked with. You will become their go to guy and they will have your back.

    [–]dhump 18 points19 points  (3 children)

    I recently took a position in an ER (paramedic) as the patient flow manager. It's what you would think it is. With the nurses, it's constant complaining about getting unfair, or too many patient assignments, or rampant bitching about other nurses.

    I stay neutral, and quash any assignment complaining flat out. I do it as fair as humanly possible, and never put myself in a position of justifying anything to them. They've grown to see that, and the bitching has subsided a great deal.

    It's still a fucking snake pit, though.

    [–]shzftw 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    A rooster in the hen house. Just keep holding frame buddy.

    [–]LateralThinkerer 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Get used to refusing requests for help. Get used to refusing requests for help. Every job I've ever had with females, they were constantly trying to offload their basic job description onto the males. In other words, they were always asking for help with shit they should be able to handle. As the lone male, this will be amplified times a hundred for you. Just say no to shit.

    Okay, I'm interested in strategies about how to do this when you can't just tell them to fuck off. I work in a mostly-female situation that is politically treacherous, and most of the women are really very professional, but there's one that keeps trying to lay shit off on me. I don't have to "be nice" but I'm open to diplomatic but forceful solutions to this.

    Anybody? Bueller?

    [–]ilphae 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    There are few solutions and hundreds of ways to fail in this scenario. Without knowing the people and the details we can't give you specific advice. Keep your head down, stay out of the melee of the so called diplomacy. Building professional diplomatic trusting connections is only possible with certain men and certain women that act like men. If they are being catty, you should not invest a minute of your time. Further, if a man is acting beta, you can bet your ass he will stab you in the back.

    If this person is not your superior, you can make a polite excuse about being very busy and simply don't do her chores. Never confronting the situation is probably safest.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 48 points49 points  (2 children)

    You make a good point.

    Of the six points I made, number 4 was the most specific to an all-female situation. You're absolutely right; in a mixed group, you still want to be awesome. In the OP's situation, which was one man amongst 25 women, if he were to "show them up," it could be bad.

    [–]jimmyjoejimbob 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Not could be bad, it will be bad.

    [–]sweetleef 22 points23 points  (1 child)

    If the guy in charge is a BB or man hating woman keep your head low, do the minimum that is required of you and keep looking for a better job.

    Particularly the looking for a job part - if you get put under a true, bitter man-hater, it's only a matter of time before she forces you out. Not if, but when. Do it on your terms and get out as soon as you can. You can't deal with or win over that type of woman, you can't appeal to any sense of responsibility as a boss, or please her with your abilities. The best you could hope for is to become a pawn in her games against other men - and when you're no longer useful as a pawn she'll throw you out anyway. Especially watch out for middle-aged childless or divorced female bosses, they are miserable and their primary goal is to exercise some malicious power over men.

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      [–]PryvateJiggles 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      I've been an ER RN for 20 years. I've witnessed some of the shittiest human behaviour by female nurses towards one another. I just sit back and watch the soap opera unfold.....I call it "As the Stomach Turns." I have 4 out of a staff of 90 females that I would trust with my life. They have had my back many times, and I theirs, but the other 86 can go fuck themselves. I don't trust them.

      [–]shzftw 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I don't know what's expected of you at your job, but I never moved a patient that wasn't mine without the physical presence and assistance of the nurse that asked for my help.

      From personal experience, a lot of nurses are lazy and make the aides to the dirty/heave jobs while they sit around at the nurses station.

      However, often nurses are swamped with work and actually need your help to stay on-time. When ever I was in this situation I always returned the favor to the CNA that helped me out.

      [–]jrdnsln 28 points29 points  (1 child)

      I am the only male in an office with 25 women. This list is on point.

      Before I started the thought was exciting. All those women, most are past the wall, others are very near, some 7 and 8 MILF types, and just me, mid-twenties, fit and intelligent.... could get interesting, right?

      Luckily my pals set me straight and I went into my first day committed to at least not fucking any of them. And sure enough that was the best advice I've ever followed. Right away there was the tension from the collective wondering about who I was gonna divulge a little extra attention to and what not. Everyone was extra helpful, came to work extra done up, dropping comments about disliking their husbands into work related conversations. Usual game.

      Once it was obvious no one was working her way onto my good side the zeitgeist flipped complete 180. The few females I work closest with leveraged their proximity to me in their twisted, childish, and altogether fiendish ploy to be seen as head bitch. Those that work in other departments either resent the females I work with or, if they can, pass menial tasks onto my desk so I can come deal with them personally.

      But I thrive because I follow simple principles similar to what was published in this list. If I can reiterate, do not, do not fuck any of them or take sides. There's no going back once you break that seal.

      [–]unsuckable9335 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I work in a mostly female office and I've got a similar atmosphere. They are all competing for my attention and the funny thing is, every single one of them is married or has a bf. I befriended one of the older ones who is a 'head betch' of sorts and the rest just fell in line. Every month or so I change who I'm giving my attention to, and it's funny to see how aware they are of who I'm spending time with. Girls are constantly walking over to my desk just to say hello, even though I never return the favor. I'm normally cold and solemn, but every so often I'll show them who I really am: tell jokes, share stories, laugh, etc. But only in small portions. Just enough to give them a taste, because I know that giving too much of myself will give them a reason to hate me. They are constantly poking with questions about my personal life. I only give them scraps. I know too much about the psychology of women to get involved with any of them.

      I just realized that there is a small contingency of women at the opposite side of the office that don't like me. Coincidentally, they are the only ones I don't give attention to, purely for logistical reasons (they live on the opposite side of the office). So I think it's a love-hate kind of thing.

      I'd like to echo a point already made: NEVER TAKE SIDES. If you start acting like one of them, they will lose all respect for you. Be the adult in the room. Never stoop to their level.

      [–]throwy89 14 points15 points  (5 children)

      I work in an office filled with women and there are only 2 males here and the other one is my assistant.

      I can say this advice is pretty spot on but it is a great place to work. They bend to your needs rather than the needs of the company and are very understanding.

      I am a loner because after two christmas parties in a row where rumours were spread that I was fucking people (I wasn't) I just went nah not worth it and kept to myself. I did date one girl from the company for a week and well it wasn't worth it people knew so damn quickly and I just went nah too hard.

      Most of the women I was friends with moved on with the company anyway so I just left it at that. The one thing I have become great at is picking women, even though I am fairly unemotional I can spot good catches a mile away now and those to avoid. There are more good catches out there than this place makes out that's for sure. Just a lot of them are already taken. However when trying to find one when single yeah there aren't too many out there since they are already taken.

      However having said that my assistant is friends with plenty of the girls and seems to be fairly popular and somehow managed to steer away from rumour territory. Then again I no longer hear the rumours so who knows.

      However even with what I mentioned before the job I have now is easily the best place I have ever worked and I have zero intentions of changing.

      [–]gt35r 20 points21 points  (2 children)

      I am the only inside IT person here, the rest of the techs are gone from 7am till the end of the day and I never see them. 4 out of the 5 women here are overweight, not just a little bit, I mean straight up hambeasts. I get to answer their calling in sick calls, which seem to happen every other day, or because "their back hurts and they've tried all kinds of medicine". I get a salary, I have job security so I just fucking deal with it. Yeah it sucks the most massive cock hearing them gossip/bitch/complain about everything but until they start asking me to work for free, I just ignore it and carry on.

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        [–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Why pull more than your weight (well, percentage of the population, since his weight is a very small fraction of theirs apparently)? It may be good for everyone else, but then you'll end up helping all the women, not the role you want.

        [–]1TrainingTheBrain 25 points26 points  (7 children)

        Solid Advice.

        Source: A dude who recently started working in an office with 1 other guy and 4 women.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorScumbagBillionaire 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        Same situation here.

        Everything he said is absolutely spot on. I'm still tempted to bang the 18 yr old assistant we have in here though...

        [–]drallcom3 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        You must be young. Sex is nice, but a good and secure job is worth much more.

        [–]laere 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Trust me, dont do it. We have some banging chicks here too, but I like being drama free.

        [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I already know whats going to happen. If she offers it to you, I know you're going to take it.

        But one thing I must say, if you're in a supervisory position and you're not the top boss in your establishment, leave that shit alone. No matter how hard she tries. There will always been more women outside of your job. That shit will get you fired.

        My brother was a manager, fucking around with some chick that worked for him. Upper management found out and let him go.

        [–]harkrank 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        If you're two guys and four women you are already in the majority.

        [–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        In terms of work completed, yea.

        [–]throwingwater 16 points17 points  (1 child)

        Great stuff.

        Most guys who break these rules have no access to women and don't know how to get access outside of school and work or any forced interaction. They have a terrible scarcity mentality that leads them to shitting where you eat, exposing their vulnerabilities to women, and eventually becoming a office pariah.

        [–]Echo906 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This comment is pretty fucking poignant. Seeing as I'm being setup to become that pariah.

        [–]1TVTestPattern 31 points32 points  (44 children)

        I believe you forgot a couple of very important pieces of advice in your list.

        1. ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!!! Don't do this man...
        2. See #1.

        [–]WasKingWokeUpGiraffe 29 points30 points  (18 children)

        Male nurse here, kinda hard for me to avoid that type of job environment..

        [–]8thhenry 26 points27 points  (8 children)

        You're the most discriminated worker I know. My salute to you.

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          [–]DeezMFNuhtz 24 points25 points  (0 children)

          Male teacher here.

          Meh. It's not so bad. Keep the door open and stick to side hugs. NBD

          [–]emblasochist 3 points4 points  (3 children)

          Eh... I had a lot of good male teachers, at least out side of elementary school. In my high school, pretty much the only teachers that were any good were male. They knew that getting teenagers to give a shit about any one topic was all about making the material accessible and interesting. Shit, my 10th grade English teacher was a publicly closeted gay man, but he wasn't afraid to point out the filthy shit that was going on in a lot of Shakespeare's plays and sonnets, among others. Male teachers in primary school, on the other hand, are "out of place" because women are intimidated by men being their peers in the workplace, and they try to cultivate the idea that aside from gym, men will frighten their kids and aren't suitable teachers.

          [–]Juffo-WupDeepChild 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Yes! Of all my teachers, I really only had one female teacher that I would consider "great." All of my best teachers were men, hands down.

          Let's see... In seventh grade, I had a history teacher that would read passages from Beowulf in the original old English. In my sophomore year I had a biology teacher that would always get off topic and tell us some of the most epic stories, which he would somehow manage to tie into the subject he was teaching and give us (or at least me) a much deeper appreciation of the topic.

          Most of the female teachers I had barely understood their own subject matter, or just didn't know how to command attention. I feel like the quality of my education would have been much higher were I taught exclusively by men.

          [–]lefunnymaymay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I dunno I had some good female teachers. Red pill as fuck health teacher (where I learned women will hijack your sperm if you aren't careful with the condom), great PE teacher, great math teacher, pretty good English teacher who also worked the robotics club, etc.

          [–]northsidefugitive 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          What kind of facility/department do you work in? Because I've met some male nurses who absolutely love their jobs.

          [–]WasKingWokeUpGiraffe 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          Hospital, and don't get me wrong I do love my job, just the fact that 95% of coworkers are female is something I can't avoid.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Besides following the rules of male-female workplaces... They need you more than you need them. You're probably doing about half of all the heavy lifting on the job both figuratively and literally (with like 400+ pound bedridden fat asses)

          [–]deaduponaviral 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          lol, women Haaaate each other, especially in the workforce. They are constantly bitching/comparing/sizing up one another. As long as you remain a stone cold emotional tampon for her bitching you can remain on her good side. I swear, most people I work with must think I'm deaf because I barely acknowledge the shit that comes out of their mouths. I've literally had interactions where two girls were talking shit about each other in the same room as I went in between them. Always remain stoic and businesslike in any work related interaction. Water cooler talk should be left to the kool-aid drinkers.

          [–]grimreaperx2 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          Good point however a job is a job and when money is short you gotta suck it up. I would take the job, lay low, and keep looking for other opportunities and bail ship when you lock another position.

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            [–]gran_helvetia 3 points4 points  (4 children)

            Shit, I'm 20 and I can't even imagine making that dough in two years. You sir are a lucky man.

            [–]netgrey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I suggest you read http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/13/the-shockingly-simple-math-behind-early-retirement/

            You could be financially independent by your 30s.

            [–]redgreenyellowblu 7 points8 points  (1 child)

            Oh, boy, is #1 ever true. Especially don't fall for the woman who comes off like she's tired of all the gossip and bullshit, too, and is "one of the guys". I found out the hard way this kind can be the worst of them all.

            Where this not taking sides can be very difficult is when choosing to support or not support policy changes or new programs in the workplace. Because women are constantly coming up with new ways to crack a nut because they are frustrated they don't understand how to get into it in the first place. And they don't want to be the only one to be trying to crack it a new way, so they have to get everyone else to try it the same way and create some time-wasting program of documenting our efforts or reactions to this new nut-cracking method.

            And they will remember if you voted for their time-wasting program or not. They don't give you a pass for your logic or reasons.

            I worked in a private school overrun by female meddlers and re-inventers of the wheel and this part was the worst. Frankly, I don't know how you stay out of these politics other than try to vote with the biggest group.

            [–]copralalic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            It's about the frame. When they propose this kind of thing they are pulling you in, and you have to resist that. When asked for input it's a good time to try the ol' flip-the-script; "I see both plusses and minuses, but I'd like to hear more about what you think." Never, ever elucidate on your amorphous and completely bullshit plusses-and-minuses, because that puts you on one side or the other. Mentally check out and think about some other shit -- whether to get that radiator new or take a shot on one from the local Pick-a-Part -- and just let bitches be bitches.

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              [–]annuncirith 9 points10 points  (2 children)

              But, if they don't like you...you're fucked.

              And, this shit is present from top of society all the way to the shit heaps at the fringes. I had a female manager when I worked at McDonald's in high school. The bitch hated me, and I was never anything but respectful. Literally turned everything I said in any situation into a slight against her, a coworker, or the company.

              [–]ROIVeritas 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Worked at Wendys in high school. This mastodon behemoth passing for a woman used to give free food to her snotty brat kids, all 6 of em, and her BB and I mean she could beat him up then eat him, BB BP husband.

              Both of them looked morose, apart and together. I worked the cashier, and it turns out, at the end of the night each week I worked with her, my register is always short 20 bucks here 40 bucks there.

              So i reason, BITCH! why would I steal money from the register and then keep right on working?? Turns out the bitch was stealing cash, dropping the wrong amounts in the safe, and making me cover the difference from my pocket. For after all, who would believe that a woman would do some foul shit like that??

              When she got caught by the manager, he called me into the office to pretend to scream at me, meanwhile he got her on camera screwing the safe, and he STILL didnt fire her. She finally got bold enough to hit them up for $4,000 all at one time, and being that she was illegal, good luck finding her.

              [–]1aguy01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              When she got caught by the manager, he called me into the office to pretend to scream at me, meanwhile he got her on camera screwing the safe, and he STILL didnt fire her. She finally got bold enough to hit them up for $4,000 all at one time, and being that she was illegal, good luck finding her.

              Too bad that guy still won't learn his lesson.

              [–]Telochi 11 points12 points  (8 children)

              Never, ever, take sides. Women will approach you and complain about each other; it's what they do. Listen, empathize, and never, under any circumstances, take one woman's side.

              It's true, they tend to blow things out of proportion and make a big deal out of little microaggressions. Not to mention they hold a grudge rather well. It's best not to get into that whole paradigm.

              Get used to refusing requests for help. Every job I've ever had with females, they were constantly trying to offload their basic job description onto the males. In other words, they were always asking for help with shit they should be able to handle. As the lone male, this will be amplified times a hundred for you. Just say no to shit.

              I've experienced this firsthand, I've seen women talk about equality and how women can do anything a man can do and yet they'll almost always ask me to do any physical task that involves any form of lifting even if they should be able to do it they'd always try to have me do it even if it would be simpler if they did it. This tip is very accurate, be assertive.

              Do not fuck any of them. These women are off-limits for fucking. The simple rule, of "don't shit where you eat," is quadruply appropriate for you. Women can't keep secrets. If you bang one of them, the rest will know within a day or two. Guaranteed. Don't do it.

              It's true, they enjoy gossiping and while I'm comfortable with keeping it private they're content to banter on about it the morning after.

              These are some very good tips, nicely done.

              [–]smokingtransistor 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              can do anything a man can do and yet they'll almost always ask me to do any physical task that involves any form of lifting even if they should be able to do it they'd always try to have me do it even if it would be simpler if they did it. This tip is very accurate, be assertive.

              Ha ha. In my office women can stay thirsty for hours (i have 40+ on the floor) because no one of them has the gut to ask a guy to change the water in the dispenser. I suppose that's below them. They suck all the water out. When i change the water because i am thirsty they all cheer up like i was their savior...

              There is a beta dude in the office: they ask him usually - they rarely use "please" with him...

              [–]ROIVeritas 2 points3 points  (5 children)

              I've experienced this firsthand, I've seen women talk about equality and how women can do anything a man can do and yet they'll almost always ask me to do any physical task that involves any form of lifting even if they should be able to do it they'd always try to have me do it even if it would be simpler if they did it. This tip is very accurate, be assertive.

              Used to work in a retail factory, of course a magnet for teen and tween moms aged a few years but with nothing to show for it but 50 lbs of baby weight sagging past her size extra medium, hanging over her belt.

              Her girth was so enormous, she could not climb ladders to get merch for customers, she could not bend without thar she blowing, because she would have to tuck her load back in her triple 18 EEE skinny jeans, so she had NOOO problem asking every passing guy to get some shit for her, do this or do that,

              Numerous times she was seen by people, customers, and the store cameras dropping some merch on the floor, looking at it, thinking about picking it up, thinking "better" of it, and then walking past it. Sometimes she just dropped it and just kept on trucking.

              Management would walk by and ask who dropped it, and she'd look around all bewildered like: WHOEVER COULD IT BE???

              No one ever put her in check because they're an "equal opportunity employer"-- I fucking hate that term. It should be EQUAL FAIRNESS employer, or EQUALLY MORAL employer, but equal opportunity, just means they'll allow anyone to bend the rules within reason, and with their permission and discretion.

              They promoted her t soon after to prepping the manifest and planning merch layouts, because picking stuff up she dropped, was just too much for her I guess. Oh yea, and that wasn't in her job description.

              When it became evidently clear that I couldn't stand her guts by me blatantly ignoring her presence, she told her plate worthy friend, who was promptly hired. (All fat girls have a friend like this this)

              So the friend proceeds to mercilessly pull every guy's attention to her, while I avoided. How incredibly fast these BP BB's were eating out of her hand, the same one she strokes other dudes with. Also, she was involved with a kid to a guy she only does for money, and he wifed her up to get the twat on the regular. Feel bad for the kid.

              She was so easy, she was always throwing herself at me, coming to work at 5am with her thong popping out her sweatpants. Course we were looking, I was just not trying to get caught up. She was fucking other dudes, because she "knew her man was cheating , and 2 could play that game". So she tried hard to throw herself at me, and the more I pushed her away, the more she tried.

              Finally when I was leaving for a better job finally whistling at work knowing its my last day, she looked miserable. She started saying in the weeks before, and on the last day "hey if you have any extra employee points you aren't using, you can give them to me.. "--In front of other guys to make them jealous, make them hate me, and to make me seem queer for turning her down.

              As my last shift ended, I'm walking to punch out and she's telling guys how I'm bipolar, bisexual..all because I turned her down. And any guy who doesn't play her game must be gay.

              Well if we reverse the situation, with the amount of times guys get shot down, it's safe to say there are alot of gay girls out there. And they aren't in the closet either.

              "Don't dip your pen in the company inkwell" is an old saying for a reason.

              [–]Dark triad expert: - http://illimitablemen.com/ - [3 Points]IllimitableMan 3 points4 points  (4 children)

              She sounds like a real piece of shit.

              [–]bluedrygrass 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              A big, sagging sack of shit.

              [–]ROIVeritas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              She'd try to bring her kid around so people would forget she was a sideshow. She'd call out for full shifts during the busy holiday weekends, and THEN show up to SHOP!

              Bruh's I can't make this shit up. It almost hurts to type it.

              [–]ROIVeritas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Truly. The whale was, for sure, she looked like 220lbs of chewed up bubble gum. Her plate friend had the banging body, but she THOUGHT like a sagging sack of shit, which is all the more dangerous, especially for weak guys who don't know that the hunter has become the hunted.

              [–]culofiesta 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              "Well, if there's no guy in the room, they all slack! And they complain endlessly! GOD.. it's so irritating! .... But with just one guy here, not a peep."

              I worked in one job where I was the only male in the entire dept. There were a handful elsewhere in the company but I was the only one on that floor. Sometimes they'd forget I was there and talk about the crassest, grossest shit you could imagine. They'd yell across the room talking about how dirty their underwear is, how many people they slept with, etc. It was disgusting. I was in my early twenties and it taught me a lot.

              [–]deadally 46 points47 points  (37 children)

              My company and industry are largely dominated by women (my company has 3 men, the owner, the president, and me). They are all highly educated (MBAs, MDs, and PhDs) and experienced, and none of these pieces of advice are useful for dealing with them.

              There's no overt politicking, no clucking about men, no drama. These people are all business, and not a single one of them fits this mold that gets cast. They just want the job done. You should look for a place where the same is true for you.

              [–]elevul 43 points44 points  (6 children)

              It really depends on the level. OP's suggestions are mostly for low level workplaces. Your experience, on the other side, is at the top level, where everyone, male or female, needs to be extremely competitive to reach, which selects for specific types of personality.

              [–]Justathrowawayo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              No, it's pretty similar at higher levels to the OP. In many cases, it's worse because the women that succeed at that level have weaponized their art. This dude is either an outlier or completely oblivious.

              [–]deadally -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

              You might be right, but it applies to even the lower rungs of the company, like the support staff. I have not run into drama that you would expect, but they are great people in general, not the hyper-competitive harpies you might expect.

              I would highly recommend reaching for the echelon to all would-be young men. It's challenging and rewarding, and it's nice not to know the experiences detailed in the opening post.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorScumbagBillionaire 17 points18 points  (1 child)

              What you're describing however, is an outlier.

              You need to recognize that as you're trying to make your point.

              [–]deadally 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I can't argue there, what with so many chiming in with their experiences contrary to mine. I was honestly surprised to find it so professional an environment, as in grad school there was a whole lot of the issues being described going on. I found it wasn't limited to the women. You had to be careful around EVERYONE what you said. This job has been great for me.

              [–]1User-31f64a4e 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              If you're in the upper rungs, you may have a limited understanding of what goes on down below. Each level filters what gets passed up the chain. You won't see the petty bullshit, just what emerges from it all in the annual reviews. I suppose in a very small organization that may not be true; but then, that's where the president is interacting with everyone all the time, and thus setting the tone.

              [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              You're in an exceptional work place. Those aren't easy to find. And its not like people can afford to wait around, not working, in order to find the perfect work place.

              [–]southernmost 22 points23 points  (5 children)

              Work environments like yours are rare today, and growing increasingly more rare as time goes on.

              [–]violent_frame 17 points18 points  (4 children)

              Or more likely you are unaware of the subtext

              [–]ROIVeritas 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              ^ this.

              The more placid seeming the environment, the more subversive the feminists espionage and hypergamous driven manipulative tactics.

              They act like objects, and get upset when they become the study of a subject. They expect people to subject themselves to them.

              My female manager, unmarried, stubble chin, looks at me like I'm cooked food. Always invites me out to lunch, offers to pay even though I have my own friends and my own cash, claiming she likes our little talks, although they lead to nowhere but her licking her lips like a dog slobbing a bone. She just likes being seen strolling about with me, by her like minded friends who threaten to beat me up if I don't treat her nicely.

              [–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              The more placid seeming the environment, the more subversive the feminists espionage and hypergamous driven manipulative tactics.

              The higher you go, the more sociopaths you get.

              [–]Stories_of_Red 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yeah, same thought. I have worked with female MBAs, JDs, and PhDs in corporate environments. They are no different, they just run the same programs in the background that I saw up front with the high school dropouts from my days as a college student working crap jobs.

              [–]l0ng_time_lurker 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              I would say at least #6 is also valid in your working environment - never deliver free ammunition.

              [–]deadally 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I'd agree, only because it's not particularly professional to spill your guts at work to anyone. They aren't there to be my friends, so I don't talk to them as such.

              [–]YourShadowScholar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              What kind of company is that?

              [–]EveningMind 4 points5 points  (6 children)

              Thank you! Where is everyone finding these insanely toxic workplaces? I too work in an field that is dominated by females, and within my department specifically there is one man (who I have been good friends with for years, long before he started here).

              Nobody here gives a shit about any of this foolishness related above. There are about 12 of us in the department, I've been here 3.5 years, we work in very close quarters, and I can't tell you the last time I even overheard a conversation about boys or dates, or who's a bitch blah blah blah. The guy here is included just as much in any social activities as anyone else is (e.g. the occasional coffee or lunch run). We all get along.

              Point being, y'all are working with miserable people in toxic environments. At least half of what you're describing is because your coworkers hate their lives and are high-school style Mean Girls determined to make everyone else miserable.

              [–]copralalic 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Every woman has that one bitch at work she can't stand. Every. Single. One. Chris Rock even has a bit about it. There is no such thing as "drama-free". The only time women stick together is when they feel like they are being attacked for being female, or if there is a strong patriarchal presence to keep them in line.

              Don't just believe me -- watch "reality television". Yes, it's scripted, but it is designed to bring out what it naturally there and make it obvious for the 'Mericans at home on the couch.

              [–]EveningMind 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I agree with you that there's no such thing as drama free. Given enough time and the right circumstances, any individuals in close quarters will have drama, even those who typically get along. I also agree that everyone (myself included) has someone somewhere in their organization at work that they don't like, I just balk at the idea that cat fighting and petty foolishness must inevitably ensue. Although I agree that this is often the case, I think it's just that people are idiots and immature and this is an example of this manifesting.

              I also think the issue that often arises in a primarily female environment filled is that women drama more often than not is the slow, simmering, lingering type that can poison the well. In my experience men may posture or peacock or even have it out, but they're pretty straightforward with each other. I have a funny story about that as related to some media consultants I have working for/with me, but that's a whole other tangent.

              Related to women sticking together, in my experience, women also stick together when an issue or person they care about is being attacked. Maybe a good example would be related to child rearing - an activity women typically spend more time doing than men. Women often get very involved in issues related to child welfare, although a topic like whether or not to vaccinate a child is not one that attacks them as a woman.

              Also as related to women sticking together, I'm not sure I just live in this little idealist bubble or what, but, as I work in the social service field, we are already united against a common goal - we're housing the homeless, bringing healthcare to the sick, helping survivors of torture etc. There's less motivation to infight because we have a higher purpose and are driven to attain it.

              I welcome your thoughts all around. Sorry for the slow reply.

              [–]Justathrowawayo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              girl here and she is totes on the up and up about her work environment

              I can't tell you the last time I even overheard a conversation about boys or dates

              I just plain do not believe you. There is something about this story we are missing.

              [–]Nofappin2015 18 points19 points  (23 children)

              In my opinion, these rules are all way too cut and dry. I've fucked/dated women that I've worked with at my last 2 jobs, and nothing has happened. I made completely sure that they were sane individuals first, and I gamed them for a long time to build attraction, until we finally went out for drinks innocently together and ended up fucking.

              Now I'm in a long-term relationship with a girl at my company, and it's awesome. She works in another department on the other side of the office. We're keeping it secret from everyone, and it's hot. We sneak around and go to my car to hook up in the garage on our breaks. I love it.

              I've fucked another girl that I work with at this company too. In fact, she sits 10 feet away from me, but we agreed that it was just for fun, and we stopped once I started dating my current girlfriend.

              It's possible to manage these things. Just don't hook up with a psycho, and make sure they know the rules. It could blow up in your face, but it's not always 100% guaranteed to be a mistake... In my opinion.

              [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 19 points20 points  (2 children)

              This is a general list, aimed at newbies. Obviously, if you know what you're doing, it's possible to bang your coworkers and get away with it. Heck, my last GF was a coworker (different location, though!).

              It's like "lift weights." Technically, you don't really need to do it, but it's good, brainless, can't-go-wrong advice for the newbs.

              [–]Nofappin2015 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Solid points. I completely agree. If you follow the rules, then you'll stay out of trouble... Definitely not arguing there!

              [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Every rule, piece of advice, mantra, etc. is understood to not be absolute. Nothing in the world is 100% guaranteed. A bullet-proof vest is a good way to survive being shot, even if it's not guaranteed. Still a good thing to wear if you suspect you might be shot.

              You can potentially fuck coworkers and get away with it, but it's generally a poor idea. Very high risk to reward ratio.

              [–]shzftw 9 points10 points  (6 children)

              but we agreed that it was just for fun...

              implying woman+logic

              This shit is probably going to blow up in your face the moment the other girl gets wind that you are happy and hooking up with someone else.

              [–]Newdist2 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              In my opinion, these rules are all way too cut and dry. I've fucked/dated women that I've worked with at my last 2 jobs, and nothing has happened.

              These rules are specific to an all-female workplace.

              Like he said, you bang one girl, everyone in the company will know about it in a few days.

              [–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              But nofappin describes fucking at least two girls at work who knew of each other's existence at work, but they probably never found out that the other fucked him.

              Does female behavior change somehow when the estrogen percentage in the office gets above 90%?

              [–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Yeah. With other worthwhile men around, they want to look good. So they keep the bullshit to a minimum.

              [–]BlackHeart89 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Are you in a supervisory position, fucking your subordinates? Just curious. Thats something I'm pretty afraid to mess with. For a lot of jobs, thats grounds for immediate termination.

              [–]Nofappin2015 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Nah no way man. I'm fucking girls outside of my department for sure! I wouldn't get involved in a situation where I could lose my job. I don't even think I'd get a slap on the wrist if HR found out... People at our company have dated (and even gotten married).

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                [–]copralalic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Agreed. This shit could easily go thermonuclear. But there's no changing it now... might as well ride it out and hope for the best.

                [–]RedHeimdall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                +1. I have hooked up with female coworkers many, many times at many different jobs, and never had a problem. If anything, the result was positive in that a couple times other girls wanted to hookup once they knew about the first one.

                [–]Frisky-Fox 8 points9 points  (10 children)

                Avoiding this situation is one of the reason I bounced around so many fields after graduating. nuclear->aerospoace->sales->software. I have finally found an industry where my skills are so in demand, that I can do whatever I want as long as I stay talented and hard working. If a girl wants to complain, company B will pay me 20K more a year.

                [–]ROIVeritas 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                Also would like to know, how you avoid a tech field dominated by effeminate men, effeminate foreign men, puppets propped up by feminazi managing directors, and PMO's.

                No man in my office dare stand up to these corporate gangsters, not even the former linebacker from college , 6'3" 300lbs, near her rank in the org chart.

                I play it safe as hell. I don't talk to them. They sigh as they walk past, they think I'm crazy sure. But to quote Durden in fight club,

                "We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman's what we need"

                [–]Anderfail 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                Oil and gas, chemical, and petrochemical are probably the most masculine work environments in the world. HR shuts the fuck up, does what they need to do and stays the hell out of the way because the only thing that anyone gives a shit about is production because more production = more profits. Outside of a few departments, these companies are like 90% male. I can't tell you how refreshing it is to be able to speak openly with my boss and fellow coworkers. The women who work there tend to be way more laid back because they won't make it otherwise so outside of HR, there are rarely any issues with drama.

                [–]ROIVeritas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Oil and gas, chemical, and petrochemical

                Thanks for this man. Currently in transition mode, and this just shot to the top of the list, easily.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                How to survive working with women?

                Make sure the boss and as many women as possible are post-menopausal. Post-menopausal women reason and act more like men than other women do according to studies.

                Also... dont shit where you eat is the biggest most important advice though... unless it's a burger flipping job that you don't give a shit about losing.

                [–]tsotha 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                The simple rule, of "don't shit where you eat," is quadruply appropriate for you. Women can't keep secrets. If you bang one of them, the rest will know within a day or two.

                That's why you have to bang all of them.

                [–]OakTr3E 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Lol. Please elaborate. I don't think I get what you mean by that :P

                [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I'm sure it was a joke. Lol

                [–]smokingtransistor 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                Thanks man ! I really appreciate your post. It serves as a reminder and i am always having problems with no.5 (as if i give one some attention, the rest get angry and so on)... no. 4 can be done, if they accept you as a lead and if you are separate enough from the group (hard as well).

                i am currently in a very female environment. Had to learn everything on my own skin. As a group women can be extremely harsh and irrational. They can gang up on you for even a small thing you said and they will remember it for a long long time.

                I will add some from my exp:

                Never get angry or pay attention to whatever they say. Once they feel that you have a reaction they'll act by instinct and the situation will get quickly out of hand. Angry means weak, don't be weak, be zen as a mountain in the storm.

                Always smile, just not too much, be reserved yet friendly. Stand your ground but do it with calm and easiness. Women shit test to see if they can anger you, that is the whole deal. When you understand that.

                Learn to differentiate between help as colleagues (work related stuff that they can't do etc.) and shit-test-help ( this is hard ! as each of them will approach this differently).

                some examples:

                1. female boss wants attention and validation and comes up with some unimportant shit that needs to be done pronto (situation caused by her lack of actually managing the team... but that's for other discussion). She is angry and spits fire. Every woman is silent and they all become serious and i feel the tension rising. I turn the thing around by smiling making a joke and calming everyone. I propose a solution calmly and with a bit of joking tone (i joke yet i resolve the issue ;) ). Just joking works only once and may fail. They all start to discuss and joke and everyone is happy. Boss got her validation and is happy she managed the issue. Ladies all are happy now. I am happy cuz i don't have to manage them for half a day.

                2. Remarks like: you are bald, or other personal shit they managed to snap along my work there (and they know how to put the words so that it's insulting yet not directly). golden rule: agree and escalate to the absurd. They can call me bald, and i may say it's a disease and they'll get it too or i can say: yes, but i will out-swim you in case of shark attack etc..

                (just imagine if you call any of them fat or such)

                TLDR: Never ever get angry.

                [–]Overkillengine 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                I currently work two jobs both in majority female populated offices; and I'd like to add:

                They are not your friends, they are coworkers. Don't confuse the two. Expect good odds of them acting friendly to your face one minute and then turning around and trying to throw you under the bus the next, if they can somehow profit from it or at least keep you from advancing past them. Or just because they can.

                [–]ROIVeritas 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Expect good odds of them acting friendly to your face one minute and then turning around and trying to throw you under the bus the next, if they can somehow profit from it or at least keep you from advancing past them. Or just because they can.

                Yuup.

                1. Work in tech

                2. Opening comes up for qualified business admin / software engineer

                3. Hiring Woman manager passes up qualified male intern of 6 months of impeccable work, claims they dont have the budget to bring him on

                4. Hires a women's studies major from off a referral by a (i don't even have to say) less than a month later

                5. Heard about the dept's reputation before I got there

                6. Bitches thought I was fresh meat when I got there. Im a friggin research scientist. and I pulled the file on their modus operandi

                7. The sighing ensued, the eye rolling, the flirting, the gossiping, the supershort skirts in 10 degrees etc.

                [–]_BurritoWarrior_ 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                This article has been posted before, but I think it's relevant here.

                [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Well-linked. That article definitely informed this post. That and the Dutch Survivor post.

                [–]macguffin22 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                I'd like to add two things to this list. 1st keep your opinions to yourself. And 2nd don't share anything with them about your personal life.

                [–]ROIVeritas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I agree, but when they see this is your way, they see it as a game. If you give them none of the above, they go fishing for both. Childish yes, but I've been on stressful projects where these women could still find time to shoulder surf my PC while I'm working or sighing when they walk past to verbally relate their opinion of me not talking to them.

                [–]jimcozad 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                what if the cunts talk LOUDLY all day and hr is useless?

                [–]copralalic 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                When is HR ever not useless? Fireworks, jackhammers and women make noise... just gotta suck it up.

                [–]jimcozad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                true, thansk for the reality check bro. I'm gonna go jerk off now and get ready to deal with cunts,

                [–]JablesRadio 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                Number 3 is pretty damn hard to do in the restaurant industry.

                Any tips on this specific workplace?

                [–]SekretSkwirrel 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Dude, the restaurant industry? Fuck those girls, who cares

                [–]JablesRadio 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                We can't all be lawyers with degrees from Duke, can we?

                [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                Just don't man. It's not worth it. Bang your customers if you must, but not the staff.

                [–]swan1114 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Everybody fucks in the service industry. If you follow this you will miss out on a lot of fun. Be a man, do what you want.

                [–]copralalic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                The good news is that restaurant jobs are plentiful. Out one place? You can have another job inside a week if you work your connections. So, keep those connections.

                [–]Youbetripping 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                I was assistant manager for a retail company that had 40 staff members, 3 were men, two were gay. I thought I lucked out!

                Nope. Boss was also a woman. Only lasted a month. Don't do it.

                [–]ROIVeritas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Gays run the retail world man. Fashion too. C'mon, theyre phallus obssesed. Plus the gays get special priviledge like breaking dress code and etc. I was desperate at the time and neede money, but I wouldn't recommned retail to anyone.

                It's like flipping a coin and getting tails over and over, with nothing to show for it.

                The GAP = GAY AND PROUD - dont work here if youre not 17 in high school, or a straight grown male

                Banana Republic = Need I say more?

                [–]cantchoos 3 points4 points  (17 children)

                I'm having a hard time following these rules where I work. Just about every woman hired here is beautiful and I banter with almost every one each day... It's fun to attract but I do realize #3 is very important because it would cause a drama fest when I got back to work. Ever since I started reading this stuff my interpersonal relationships have went through the roof but I still find myself attracted to the women at work for some reason... It's hard not to be distracted at times.

                [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 18 points19 points  (7 children)

                I totally get you, and please consider this -- it only takes ONE sexual harassment charge to get you fired.

                Women will cry false rape to punish an ex-lover... how easy do you think a sexual harassment charge is, by comparison?

                [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Sexual harassment charges are taken very seriously by HR departments. Unless you have ironclad evidence to the contrary, your ass is done.

                Don't do anything at all to risk it, not worth it.

                [–]cantchoos 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                Ugh that sucks, It sounds like this has happened to you already?

                I'm sorry to hear that if it has :/

                [–]A_WolfAmongSheep 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                This happened to me, so I can vouch for it.

                It didn't matter how many women had sexual conversations in the workplace, how many of them overtly asked me if my dick was as large as rumors claimed or how many of them straight-up propositioned me. All it took was one crotchety bitch to overhear my sex-oriented conversation with someone else and she marched up to HR and threatened to bring a lawyer into it. I was painted as a hostile, legal liability because she overheard a conversation she chose to be offended by and I'm out of a job.

                Never, under any circumstances, discuss sex at work. Just don't do it.

                [–]machimus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I only came here to add one thing, and this was it. In a professional environment, it behooves you to never, EVER engage in sexual conversation or jokes. By far the easiest way to be fired over a misunderstanding. Over to you if you think you've got a good handle on the dynamic, but it's risky.

                [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Thats ridiculous. So fucking ridiculous.

                [–]copralalic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Happened to me... twice. Man, I'm a fuckin' idiot.

                [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                No, thank god. I had my fair share of coworker relationships before I found this sub. Luckily, none of them were psycho.

                [–]CockBruises 1 point2 points  (8 children)

                What sort of place do you work in where just every woman is beautiful?

                [–]AnarchyBurger101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I worked in a place that would be a true hell on earth for an RPer. 95% women on the day shift. The section supervisor hired me because, I think he'd have rather have put a bullet in his brain rather than hire another female. Yeah, I had the skills, so he wasn't gonna grill me for the interview. If I ran away screaming like 9 out of 10 applicants to that factory after a week, oh well! Next!

                The first day, no biggie, do some standard assembly line BS, solder things, test things, pass em down the line to the next section.

                Of course the week after, they handed me off to the designated trainer, who had been on vacation the week day I was there. and OMFG, she was pissed, at EVERYONE! She was snappy, bitter, and proceeded to tell me everything that everyone there had done wrong for the last 35 years that she'd been there.

                After those two weeks, people were surprised I was still there, but whatever. I get moved to an assembly area where most of the women could not handle it. Hands were not big enough, not enough strength, whatever. No problem for me though.

                The lady I was partnered with was laid back, and knew more about football that I ever will, she was from Minnesota, had no kids, but was pretty well granny age. Her husband was slowly dying, but given the age, understandable. She was probably employee number 60 in the history of the company. She knew plenty of dirt on the company, but wasn't blurting it out all at once.

                A few weeks after, another section. First day, I worked as a third in a 2 person cell, just prepping assemblies, and getting used to some of the more fiddly assemblies. This section was hell because there were about 300 different assemblies, and all of them had their oddities. Day after, the Queen Bee of the company, she'd been a cell lead, section manager, in calibration, various other jobs in the company, and was back to assembly since she was on the retirement track. One husband divorced, perpetually single after that, kind of a swinger on the down low. She trained me on various boards, and was a woman of few words. I found out the most about her from her friends. She'd been with the company 42 years, was one of the first 3-4 dozen employees, and was one of the fasted damned soldering/assembly workers I've seen to date.

                A perfect co-worker, she left me alone, and rarely said more than a dozen words in a day. Course, if she was talking to someone in depth, shit was going DOWN, and HARD. She did a lot of work with an asian lady, call her Millie, who was the second fastest assembler.

                I worked directly with at least a dozen different women on a regular basis. Usually lower priority work got the newbies, but I quickly ended up working with the top half dozen on a regular basis. Freaky because most people there had over 10 years of experience, and I was a newbie. I guess soldering was not everyone's bag there or something.

                So, I end up doing a lot of work with Ms Complains Nonstop, because most women refused to work with her. Also because I'm a guy, and can work the pneumatic part smosher without ripping my arm to pieces.

                To my horror, Ms Complains Nonstop decided I was "her's", and that sort of turf war in a factory full of women is going to lead to bad times. If she was bottom dog of the heap, she got it worst after that. Only the fact that she was best friends with the Queen Bee had kept her from getting booted out onto the street for various "problems" in the past.

                So how does such a turf war happen? Well, the younger Queen Bees, or section leads decided that. Which meant I was very very often in the section run by Mrs Giggles. Mostly for practical reasons, because for small to average women, the work I did would usually lead to wearing carpel tunnel braces, and bad times. And also to make Ms Complains Nonstop miserable, because she really only got along with the oldest Queen Bee, and Millie. When she wasn't with those two, she was dragging along like someone who'd had a bucket of water dumped on em.

                When she was with me, she was energetic as a black lab on amphetamines. Because then she would have a new listener, and she could smack talk about every woman in the place. And this was BAD because there were no walls, and people can still hear!

                There was one male cell lead, and she pestered him to have me work with her because I could carry loaded totes, and her arm wouldn't fall off. She had rheumatoid arthritis pretty bad.

                Or she would pester the female cell leads, because she could precision solder, and I could handle the part smasher, and eventually because I was one of the top ones at flat pack solder, and doing work under a magnifier.

                Now, she'd tried and tried to get a rise out of me since I'd started, about 7-8 months later, she said something rotten, and I'd gotten a little short with her. Nothing overly offensive, or even that rude, but the comment went deep, and she sort of fell apart. Everyone was like, WTF?

                Eventually things got to the section supervisor, he got to the bottom of things, and was PISSED. Once again she'd been harassing and badgering co-workers, and got written up. The head Queen Bee was pissed at me, at least until she'd repaired the ego of her friend, and if we had to work together the section leads were watching us like hawks.

                The ripple effect of this little tiff was immediate, and people were very quiet around the both of us for a few weeks.

                So, once again, I ended up in Mrs Giggle's section. And bounced back and forth between another section, then they tried me on SMT and low temp lines when things were slow.

                The tension eased when they hired the asian dude who was used to working on shit they implanted into people for 10 years. He drove the factory problem woman nuts because he said like maybe 2 dozen words in a day. 2 months later, he was out, went to work for an aerospace company. I think I'd mentioned it to him a few times because the pay was $4 an hour better, but doomed to layoffs because it was defense budget tied.

                So, a few more shifts in personnel, and I was working with, call her Ramona, but her name has like 5 syllables. Now, she was fun to work with, chat with, etc. And she was WAY into me. Problem was, the hubby worked in that factory, so, nah, not gonna hit on her, no way, no how. It got to sort of crazy obsessive level, and they had to park me in a different section, like it or not, even if I was doing stuff there was no demand for.

                End of the quarter, and I find myself transfered to another factory. $2 pay raise, but, no overtime. Was on a better shift, but OMG, boring, boring, boring. Super cool tech toys, different group of crabby people, and daffy duck feet because I was standing all day.

                Was looking to change jobs constantly toward the last two months, figured on cutting and running but then they said I had to take a month "break" for every six I worked. Was about 6 days before the enforced break, and the orders drop off to nothing. 2 days later, company stock price dropped to a third, and everyone but long timers got laid off.

                Did two different 1 year contracts at other tech companies, got a call from from the old one, interviewed there, and recognized NOBODY! They had a paper pusher engineer running a repair and calibration shop, and a TON of GREEN talent.

                Still, proof that for 45 years, women were the bulk of the labor force of a company that was at the head of its market, and still more or less is. The engineers, techs, and other guys, mostly they HID at final assembly, calibration, and repairs. Company execs, even better hidden. :D

                [–]AnotherLostCause 5 points6 points  (6 children)

                Great advice. I would add: Avoid all post work social gatherings. Dinners, drinks, whatever. You'd like to go but you can't because blah blah blah.

                [–]ROIVeritas 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                Yup. Avoid holiday parties. Show face, get complimentary pizza, smile, slice and drink. Then ghost from the premises. These are a woman's talk show. Only now there's cheap booze involved.

                [–]through_a_ways 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                get complimentary pizza

                Ever since reading that post about "red hoodoo sauce", no

                [–]ROIVeritas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                "red hoodoo sauce",

                Agreed ^

                If it's catered, get there early, ghost early.

                If it's bring your own dish, fill up on beer.

                [–]danweL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                i also am a male working among all women most days in healthcare. I agree with all but 4 and to an extent 5.

                I will not reduce my effectiveness to spare anyone's feelings, I've only seen an increase in the level of respect i receive for excellent work seeming effortless. I treat everyone the same (frequent teasing), converse with all, and have never had an issue with showing anyone up or a particular clique not liking me. As expected, I've been the recipient of a roomful of women shit testing me, but holding frame against a whole room of women's shit and turning it into something funny for all of them raises your respect level among the group. Recent example: a short Asian girl kept repeatedly calling me "boy" to discredit me in front of 5 other women waiting to see how I would respond. I patted her on the head and said "Now now, out of the two of us, who really looks like a boy?" "OH SHIT that was fucked up" with laughter throughout the room. That same girl I patted on the head was trying to qualify herself to me for the rest of the day and ended up driving down the road to get me a milkshake because I said I wanted one. And she bought it.

                One guy who works about once a month operates as a loner, is very quiet, and not one of the girls feels comfortable around him.

                In other words--just be fun while holding frame and don't give a shit.

                [–]RealityIsAHypothesis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                My best friend and I are marketing co-directors for a plastic surgeon. Other than the surgeon himself, we are the only two other men in the office. The last guy lost the position by making the mistake of rules 3 and 6, which magnified his incompetence.

                This week we brought on a new beautiful blonde to run our CoolSculpting machines, and all of the other estheticians are going crazy out of competition. All of the women (including the doctor's former playmate of the year girlfriend) tried to convince him not to hire her, yet in her first 3 days working here she's already brought in $20k in new patients. That has raised the bar even higher, and the other women are working their asses of to try and get the positive attention.

                One esthetician has broken down crying several times this week, and the doctors girlfriend has been trying to gaslight & shittest by telling one of the RNs that she plans on leaving this weekend. And to be expected, her words and actions don't match up, since she's working really hard to gain the doc's favor as well.

                I'm really glad to have found a true RP mentor, since watching how he runs his practice has shown me a lot of real life examples of TRP in action. It's so much fun to just sit back and observe all of the dynamics I've read about in an extremely exaggerated environment.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorAerobus 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                I have a question for you OP or for /u/cyralea regarding point #4

                Don't be too effective. Women generally don't work very well, and they constantly require group validation. You put these two things together, and what you get is an environment in which everybody is aware of how hard everybody else is working. The level of work of each woman is well-calibrated to both: not get fired, and not make anyone else look bad. In a male environment, everyone is trying to get ahead. In a female environment, everyone is trying not to piss everyone else off. Figure out how hard the top 5 women work, and work that hard. But NO HARDER!

                This makes sense, but it begs the question, how do you get ahead? The classic notion is that by working harder and smarter you can get ahead, but by doing so in a female-dominated environment, you're bound to become a pariah.

                [–]16 Endorsed ContributorCyralea 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                It's...harder. In all honesty, unless your entire industry is female-centric, you ought to be sizing up alternate job opportunities in a few years.

                If I had to offer advice to some poor schmuck stuck forever working with only women, it would be to play female game. Learn how to get in the good books with the ones in charge. Manipulate them to improve your status at the expense of your colleagues. Sling mud if you have to. Sounds harsh, but guess what? That's exactly what will happen to you. When the time comes ideally the ones in charge see you as being part of the Trusted Coven.

                Can't guarantee it'd work. Honestly, I can't see myself working in an environment without men. How would you ever get shit done?

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                  [–]ROIVeritas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Ultimately, I'm there to work, and they know it and seem to generally respect the fact that I play in my own sandbox.

                  ^ This. Some women don't want to talk to a guy, they just want to open him so they can look at him. Girls doesn't talk to guys on her own team, but the first day I met her, she was entirely too thrilled to meet me, a perfect friggin stranger. Flag on the play, right there.

                  Begins sing-songing my name off the nameplate on my cubicle. I replied to her greeting in a dry, uninterested way, but I never initiated. From 4 cubes away, I can here her echoing: but my boyfriend, my bf, my bf from cali.

                  [–]loin_fruit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Wish I would have been a member here before I fucked up and fucked a couple girls from work. One worked out well and is still a plate to this day and she no longer works with me. But the other one works in a different department which is nice, but because of us dating, everyone heard about our business and us fucking.

                  I have to see her all the time and it's awkward. Girls in her department are looking at me with evil eyes. Of course she told them worse things than what actually happened, I can only imagine.

                  It wasn't worth it. No matter how hot you think the girl is or how bad you want to fuck or date her, don't do it. There are hotter girls with less baggage and less risk out there.

                  [–]GreenPiller 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I am a cashier and I usually work in the mornings with 2 ir 3 cashier women, ( the rest of my coworkers usually arrive in the afternoon) and the amount of shit they throw at other coworkers when they are not around is amamazing, and the sad part is that almost every woman loves to talk shit about other women, I try to keep my guard up but every now and then I slip up and give them reasons to spit their venom on me, being surrounded by snakes in a workplace always takes its toll...

                  [–]Tqbfjotlds 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  2nd edit: for some epic lulz, see what happened to an all-female TV company.

                  That is so typical of women. Even though the entire article describes how women cannot get along with each other and are petty, this lady still blames men, when they are around

                  "Working in TV is notoriously difficult for women. There is a powerful old boys' network, robust glass ceiling and the majority of bosses are misogynistic males."

                  Perhaps that glass ceiling exists because people who are neurotic and petty don't get promoted.

                  [–]saibot83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I briefly worked in tv. Women had a much easier ride so her statement is bullshit.

                  [–]Involution88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Rule 3 should be the first.

                  Never EVER dip your pen in company ink, under ANY circumstance.

                  [–]CosbyTeamTriosby 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I work at a large tech company in a Finance/HR related field where 50%+ are women. They are skilled businesswomen and their acumen is pretty much on par with the guys.

                  If you're working with 25 women and it's a pain because you work the floor at Nordstroms, get a better job.

                  [–]LateralThinkerer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  This should be posted in all workplaces, right next to the harassment posters.

                  [–]watersign 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  Try to avoid working with or for women at all costs. Seriously.

                  [–]LifeAtPeace 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  Try to avoid working with or for women at all costs. Seriously.

                  I would say nothing better than this. You neither grow nor learn anything from working with women. You just get overburdened with all their work while they sit behind the veil of team work and take credit.

                  [–]thederpist666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I agree with most of it. I'm not sure about number 4. I work with children and my job is probably about 95 percent women co workers. The boss of everyone definitely likes to make it known that she's best at the job and she seems extremely hard to please as she wants to maintain dominance. I usually just avoid her as much as possible and only talk to her if there is a meeting or if it is absolutely necessary. I'm not sure how she would take super hard work. I feel like if she were to believe her power was threatened she would go into a super critical ape shit mode, but at the same time it's hard to get fired for hard work.

                  [–]lolfunctionspace 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  I work as a chemist in a laboratory with 2 females who I would consider to have "alpha" personalities and work ethics. They are incredibly anal and controlling, and they have tons of pull with management. They exude power, people listen when they speak, etc etc. Most importantly, they get shit done.

                  The funny thing about women like this though, is that they find things to complain about and will do it non-stop. They'll stop by and vent to me about an "idiot" in the lab for 2 minutes at least twice a day. I'm not exaggerating either. I literally listen to 5 minutes of bitching every single day. Every. Single. Day.

                  In my experience, the women of the lab tend to have equal work ethics in terms of output as the men. The difference is some women have such strong and hostile personalities that they create awkward rifts within the workplace that can damage morale and productivity.

                  The men tend to be more calm, stoic, and robust.

                  [–]LifeAtPeace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  The men tend to be more calm, stoic, and robust.

                  That is true. No matter what level women get, they never mature.

                  [–]Nebulose11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Set them against each other constantly. Learn to bake and bake constantly. Bring in extremely unhealthy but amazing tasting baked goods every chance you get. Make Friday baked good day or something. Make them fat. Once you have them separated into distinct groups cause chaos within those groups. Every situation is going to change how you go about doing this. Sabotage...especially anonymously and sow doubt about everyone you can. Don't allow them to form long lasting alliances. This is long game warfare so that you can get the promotions and hire more hard working men.

                  [–]AzureCuzYeah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  As a male looking for my first job as an RN... This is going to be my bible.

                  [–]venusmylove 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I never had a problem with this. I see lunch as peace and quite time for me, why would i want to spend it around a couple of women bitching?

                  [–]denialoftheobvious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I work managing 15 women and my boss is female. This advice is gold. ESPECIALLY DO NOT EVER TAKE SIDES!!!! Also it's alright to play dumb or pretend to be ignorant of the schemes/alliances that form in any female dominated work place. Never answer a question of "So what do you think of person X?" at first they hated me because everyone thought I was taking the opposition's side. Once they realized I was legit and just wanted to get work done they respected me and the atmosphere improved.

                  [–]2asd1100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Best post in a while, I salute you sir. Thoroughly enjoyed it. You are on the mark on all accounts especially No. 4. I have worked male jobs and gender neutral jobs, there is a huge difference in what is asked of men and what is asked of "people".

                  [–]oce1989 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Broke rule number 3. Can't say I'm phased by it much, although I get the feeling some(maybe all) know what went down.

                  It happened over Christmas and since coming back to work I've had a 4-5 of them come to me needing help with this and that and basic shit you'd expect them to do themselves, which is quite out of the ordinary.

                  Anything specific I should be doing here?

                  [–]BhiQ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Why the "Don't fuck them" part?

                  If it's a one-night stand I don't see the problem. So what if she tells the other women that you banged her? If you start with one of the hotter girls in the office it's probably even gonna increase your SMV/reputation with the other girls. Remember; Women don't have a problem with sharing top 20% men.

                  As long as you manage to stay on a friendly level with the guys you should be just fine.

                  [–]blandboringusername 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  The level of work of each woman is well-calibrated to both: not get fired, and not make anyone else look bad.

                  I ran into this recently when I (tried to) join a new karate dojo. See, my old dojo before I moved was a pretty hard working kick-ass place. The new place was full of out of shape middle aged people and little kids, barely moving and doing the minimum. Lots of lazy middle aged women.

                  I showed up and followed their drills, sweating and working my ass off as usual. Do you think that earned me their respect? Nope. More like resentment and suspicion. Noped the fuck out after several honest weeks of trying. I wasn't learning anything or even getting much of a workout. All I could do was cruise and pretend to be worse at karate than I actually am. Feelz before realz.

                  [–]token_stache 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  There are two types of jobs in the modern world. Ones where if you're a man you need to act like a woman, and ones where if you are a woman you need to act like a man.

                  Emergency services, police, fire departments, parts of the armed forces, finance, STEM. If you're a woman you are expected more or less to adjust to a male culture.

                  On the other side; academia if in social sciences/humanties, teaching k-12, administrative and human resources, most non technical office work, retail etc...

                  If you are a man avoid choosing a field where you have to be effeminate, non confrontational to move up and get along.

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                    [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    Does she have the power to get you fired for harassment?

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                      [–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      Is she your supervisor? Or similar rank?

                      [–]SKapper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I worked with an employer who had a rule about female employees - Never employ more than one. He said they hardly work as it is, but when there's more than one woman in the office no work gets done and sooner or later they're tying to kill each other.

                      I've worked in a female dominated industry, women are animals to each other. Not taking sides is extremely good advice.